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THOUGHTS ON THE DEATH OF JAMES DONNELLY RIP

James and Cahal

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Dear Bishop Pat,


Thank you for giving notice of the death and funeral arrangements from James Donnelly, someone whom it was my privilege to meet.

James was a gentleman and in fact the true “wee saint” (to recall how Cahal Daly was eulogised on his death). I hadn’t more than a cursory meeting with both men (the photograph you published shows the men in the Cortile San Damaso after their audience with Pope John Paul II) but his gentleness and goodness left a deep impression.


I can’t say the same for my several encounters with Cahal Daly. He was a pompous and vain little man, who underneath the supposed academic brilliance, was very insecure and perhaps even ashamed of his relatively modest background.

A nasty piece of work too, if slighted or crossed – as you well know. This fact was well known by his episcopal colleagues, and garnered in quite a few of them sympathy for you and how you had been so badly treated by him. 


Your post has set me thinking. Thinking about relationships and the need that all of us, whoever we may be, need to “matter”. To matter to someone.

I have no doubt that Cahal Daly “mattered” a great deal to James Donnelly, for without his intervention in his youth what future at all would he have had with such difficult beginnings? I don’t know, perhaps he would have had a life of considerable success? I doubt it.

Daly, for all his failings, was transformative in James’s life and without him things would have probably turned out very different and he may well have ended his days far from the comfort and security in which he lived and died. 


What’s also interesting to me is that James “mattered” a very great deal to Cahal Daly. I have never heard anyone say that theirs was anything other than an entirely chaste and would be very surprised to learn that they shared a bed, let alone enjoyed a sexually intimate relationship (Daly remined me of a dried-up prune, who wouldn’t have known what an erection was if it hit him in the gob!)

However, there is no doubt that James provided Daly with the intimacy and affective relationship that all of us, be we popes, cardinals, bishops, priests, lay folk, need and some crave. Without mattering to someone, many of us turn to drink, drugs, meaningless sexual encounters with strangers. Well, you know the situation all too well as evidenced on your necessary blog.


I have spent a life time in the company of “the hierarchy” and observing them at close quarters, and have seen it time and again. We all need someone who loves and cares for us in a way that no other one does. This is the basic human need that is attempted to be trained out in seminary (at least when I was in seminary) and yet the human heart makes itself known. Without it we are condemned to a life diminished, left with failure and disappointment, however many titles or acclaim we have.


For those who have reached the higher echelons of the Church these needs are met by such safe persons as a “James” or “Carmel”. Often ignored in public, and treated abruptly and rudely by their bosses – perhaps to allay suspicion – in private they are the ones who sit night after night, in the intimacy of the sitting room, watching television, with supper on a tray, discussing the day. They in fact the “other half” who matters. Pius XII and Sister Pasqulina, John XXIII and Loris Capovilla, Paul VI and John Magee… these are the ones who have kept these men sane in the darkest reaches of their years, and who have been holding them as they died.

How beautiful to be held in the arms of someone you love as you breath your last.


So I am glad that James had Cahal Daly, and even more glad that Cahal Daly had James. We all need to matter to someone, and perhaps, just perhaps, the one and only thing that got Cahal Daly into heaven, was that first act of kindness shown to a young orphan – whatever Daly’s initial and subsequent motivation.

James was the better man in the relationship.

May he be at peace and now enjoying a large glass of Paddy Power with Cackle B!


A Sympathetic Insider

James could not have written the above without help.

PAT SAYS

I think James is much more likely to be having that glass of Powers with Tomas O’Fiaich – who Daly referred to as an “intellectual lightweight”.

YESTERDAY’S BRIDAL TRAIN

155 replies on “THOUGHTS ON THE DEATH OF JAMES DONNELLY RIP”

What is the Catholic Church’s fascination with an intellectual hierarchy. First within their own church, then they bang on about inward looking grammar schools and use the mask of inclusivity. Utter tosh! Time to work together in unity, not try to put positive spins on institutionalising the segregation.

I laugh at any layman or priest who claims intellectual honour above living a simple, honorable life. Behaviour is key.

Manners maketh the man.

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They can’t offer an authentic experience of and connection with the divine so they have to rely upon philosophical argumentation to try to sound like they’re connected.
The Roman church like to sound intellectual but, they have one fatal weakness, you can ask questions but in the end you better arrive at their conclusions. Heaven forbid you may arrive at an alternative conclusion, in that case you just don’t understand well enough or have faulty reasoning. Archbishop Fulton Sheen once epitomized this arrogant stance of the ego found strongly within Catholicism when he said that people don’t have a problem with the church’s teachings, they have problems with what they think the church teaches. It reminds me of the quote from the delightful book Matilda: ‘I’m right and you’re wrong, I’m big and you’re small, and there’s nothing you can do about it’. Naturally that’s simply not true in the real world. The Roman church do not possess the fulness of truth, they’re wrong on a great many things and people not arriving at their conclusions does not make those people wrong. People aren’t idiots, they aren’t wrong for arriving at alternative conclusions, it would actually be healthy for the church to be more open to alternative conclusions but that would never happen.
Now, lets not think that the church is some black and white mentality bad guy. Naturally there is a lot of good in the church, it’s just being overlooked by the actions of those who profess to be the totality of the church. It’s rich symbolism, rituals and metaphors is both psychologically healthy and full of worth. It’s charitable works are to many extents unrivaled and in comparison to many institutional religions, the Romans are actually very good at really thinking about what it teaches and supporting its beliefs through reasoned argumentation, vastly superior to a great number of Protestant denominations following in Luther’s peculiar phobia of all things reasonable and logical in favour of blind faith.
The point is that, there is so much potential in the Roman church but it’s in danger of being lost by the actions of its leading members.

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Fair comment Pondering @ 12.05, …..in some respects.
But to what extent are the core beliefs of the RCC actually true?
That a supremely all powerful Creator God created humans; came down to earth in human form to rescue us from our own foul- ups; that this “human God” allowed Himself to be tortured and killed for our salvation; that He gave his apostles and their successors power to “transubstantiate” bread & wine into “God Himself” etc, etc, etc…..?
The whole belief system is crazy beyond belief, and tracing its origins and history indicates its resemblance to other belief systems and myths of creation both of the past and present. And its emotional and psychological hold which sustain and perpetuate it are readily understood with even a basic understanding of psychology.

So is it true? How reliable is the proof?
And, as I very said before: the peripheral cloak of “good works” provides no proof.
MMM

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10.12
MMM’s fair question is a reiteration of the question asked by John Betjman in the second-last verse of his 1954 poem ‘Christmas.’
Christmas by John Betjeman
The bells of waiting Advent ring,
The Tortoise stove is lit again
And lamp-oil light across the night
Has caught the streaks of winter rain
In many a stained-glass window sheen
From Crimson Lake to Hookers Green.
The holly in the windy hedge
And round the Manor House the yew
Will soon be stripped to deck the ledge,
The altar, font and arch and pew,
So that the villagers can say
‘The church looks nice’ on Christmas Day.
Provincial Public Houses blaze,
Corporation tramcars clang,
On lighted tenements I gaze,
Where paper decorations hang,
And bunting in the red Town Hall
Says ‘Merry Christmas to you all’.
And London shops on Christmas Eve
Are strung with silver bells and flowers
As hurrying clerks the City leave
To pigeon-haunted classic towers,
And marbled clouds go scudding by
The many-steepled London sky.
And girls in slacks remember Dad,
And oafish louts remember Mum,
And sleepless children’s hearts are glad.
And Christmas-morning bells say ‘Come!’
Even to shining ones who dwell
Safe in the Dorchester Hotel.
And is it true,
This most tremendous tale of all,
Seen in a stained-glass window’s hue,
A Baby in an ox’s stall ?
The Maker of the stars and sea
Become a Child on earth for me ?
And is it true ? For if it is,
No loving fingers tying strings
Around those tissued fripperies,
The sweet and silly Christmas things,
Bath salts and inexpensive scent
And hideous tie so kindly meant,
No love that in a family dwells,
No carolling in frosty air,
Nor all the steeple-shaking bells
Can with this single Truth compare –
That God was man in Palestine
And lives today in Bread and Wine.

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– forget the transubstantiating because Jesus wouldn’t negate bread, He respects it.
– any consubstantiating is completely cancelled out if communion is not as communion does, sentimentality notwithstanding.
– You would do better establishing reason in branches of knowledge: all knowledge is a varying mixture of Popper’s falsifiability and Newman’s degrees of inference: that’s why and how knowledge is known by knowers (who live in Knowers’ Ark 😉 ) and depends vitally on unlimited background knowledge.
– what establishment teaches children or adults inference or for that matter maths, or usage of meanings and language nowadays? The world followed a sadly dominant note in churches in sloppiness; churches had thrown away the advantages 12.05 describes some in them having.
– We agnostics of goodwill are like Peters and Pauls perched more or less near each other on the branch
– I could detail how (it appears) texts like the Bible are written (e.g Genesis ch 1 is, as to surface format, as far back as they could remember), the meaning of Ascension, etc etc etc. Hence I believe as much as I like on the quiet with the religious police off my back, and you – rightly – believe as little as you like in public.

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Should you even need to ask @ 10:12. It’s obvious that when none of the cathbots, clerical or otherwise, can reply with even one item of proof, that it’s all…………hogwash!

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I don’t agree that James would not have prospered if Daly hadn’t intervened – many orphans do just fine – Daly’s patronage came with a price tag and there is a strong whiff of lack of true consent.
Clergy often revert to this high handed moral posturing regarding sex – on the one hand insisting Daly wouldn’t have known an erection if it hit him in the ‘gob’ on the other sentimentalising their relationship – I submit it is v likely that some kind of sexuality played a part in Daly’s relationship but because it belongs to the inner forum and he’s dead we’re never going to know – but this much I know Cardinal Daly masqueraded as a heterosexual who gave up marriage for the kingdom of heaven whereas he was v likely a repressed and closeted homosexual who moved his boyfriend in to live with him – only problem was he treated him as a wage slave and robbed him of human dignity.
Dress it up all you like – sentimentalise it and create your own mythology but James was traffficked across county lines and beholden to his captor for the rest of his life – tainted love or sheer abuse of power – you choose but spare me the sentimentality.

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Ignoring the “headline issue” we have the questions: i – why did the “Trust” that James was not allowed to replace with one of his own choosing, a – underpay him so he couldn’t study what he liked, including at proper butler school (“my man” is butler parlance for the boss), and b – not allow him enough wide mixing time; ii – who can walk out of an orphanage with a boy with whatever idea in mind (obviously what whoever was over the orphanage and whoever was over Daly have stitched up, we may not know but there clearly IS something). This is no way to blame James for his attitude at any time but indeed he was able to be frank with the heroic Protestant lady mentioned.

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11:18,
I thought of that line too. Thank you for posting the entire poem! I know I have some of his works around including “Summoned By Bells” and a few others. Yes, a tad of Chartreuse to ward off the COVID and some poetry will while away the afternoon nicely.
BTW, was it TS Eliot who wrote that once a person accepts the doctrine of the Incarnation Lady Chapels, frontals, and hanging lamps follow in due course?

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Thanks sincerely to the insider for this very balanced, intelligent and humane contribution. I hope that your observations are absorbed by many on this blog who seem not to have a human empathy capacity of any kind. James was indeed a very kind, quiet and caring Christian who obviously felt a sense of importance and of value through Cardinal Daly. The Cardinal was fortunate to enjoy James’s company. The trivialisation and demeaning of their relationship is despicable. The very nasty and sinister interpretations, innuendo and unprovable allegations made about and against Cahal are morally repugnant and a most vindictive act of abuse. All of us, as you rightly observe, yearn for intimacy (not necessarily sexual) of some kind and isn’t it wonderful that both James and Cahal may have found that quiet, nourishing intimacy in each other. Whatever we think about Cahal – good, bad or indifferent – I believe James would be very grateful in his heart that someone – Cahal Daly – accepted him as he was and truly cared for him. We can be very unkind towards those who, as clerics, befriend another human being simply for friendship, the intimacy of presence, trust, caring and affirmation. I had many wonderful friendships of this in my life – from married couples, single men and women, religious, priests, gay friends – and experienced gossipy tongues in parishes but I held my head high. I know I’m a better human being – and a better priest – for having had such beautiful people and encounters in my life. I yearn for such still but the passage of time has taken many of these people away and the few that are still alive are unwell and infirm. Isn’t it time perhaps to leave Cahal to rest and pray for James that he will enjoy being at the heavenly table with those whom the good Lord has chosen…Cahal, James, Tomas and all the people whom we deign useless and unimportant and the many fallen clerics who are brutally condemned. God does indeed – and will – surprise us. Thank you sympathetic insider for a well timed reflection.

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‘who seem not to have a human empathy capacity of any kind’
This is classic church speak. Translation: ‘People who won’t swallow our cover up story so we’ll abuse them as well.’

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1.21: I sense that you are disturbed by 12.09. Pity that TRUTH hurts you! You are the classic revisionist, incapable of understanding any historical realities, norms, cultures, values and governance, civil and ecclesiastical. Today’s society hasn’t progressed sufficiently to care for all its needy children and teenagers, intellectually, mentally, physically and medically. Read the papers or look beyond your narrow mind.

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12.09: A balanced perspective in past experiences. Our modern day laptop warrior hypocrites believe in their own propaganda: they are not like “the rest of us”. They hardly look beyond their noses to notice the struggles and needs of others. And some, I’m sure, pass by the many “James” who walk our streets!!

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I wonder what this ex- Fr Richard will do now ? He will surely feel the cold chill of economic worries, now that his living has been taken away. I hope that he has resources, good friends and family who will support him, because he will need them not just for emotional support but also for financial support. Most priests of his age find it hard to move in to the world of secular work and find a good job. It’s not as if he will have accrued a pension pot over the decades that he can take with him and which will support him in future years. It’s like starting off again. I know, I did it many years ago, and count myself lucky that other factors mean that I am well provided for, as well as finding a new way of life and work that pays very well. So, he has my best wishes in what will be a bit of a hard slog. He deserves admiration for doing what his conscience and hopes for future dictate he should do, rather than just hanging on like so many clergy do, choosing the safe option. Phonie’s begrudging response, however, stands in start contrast. He’s an ungrateful, angry, repressed individual.

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I suppose he could write a book like Fr Despard, but I imagine Shirley would have signed a confidentially agreement if a resettlement grant had been involved.

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9.34
Richard has a career as an entertainer aka as Shirley, sadly he was in the wrong vocation.
Well done to Pope Francis and hopefully more will follow.
I am sure Richard will have a First Class career as Shirley.
The Church has enough pantomime dames and that is one less.
Good Luck Richard and sincere Thanks for asking to go unlike the others that hang on and on.
Today’s topic James was very happy it seems and very contented and as Pat says part of the “Firm” well Pat you are part of the “Firm” as you have never sought independence as you live in a property owned by the “firm” for free.
This Sunday the “firm” welcomes women as acolytes and catechists to it’s Mission so Thanks to Pope Francis and the CDWDS now headed up by Archbishop Arthur Roche

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12:28

Maybe Dick and Shirley could team up as a double act- ‘The Laverne and Shirley Show’.

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Laicisation seems rather extreme, especially when you consider +Phonsie’s seemingly tacit support during the scandal which engulfed the Boilerhouse abbot. I imagine Purcell is still on the bishop’s Christmas list.

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Oul Gossip Alert @12:18pm
OMG with that pair it’ll be Fanny & Martha Show I’ll bet Patsy was grateful to be reminded he’s part of the ‘firm’ and living free on a property owned by the ‘firm’ something I don’t think he’ll agree on but then you always were a nasty hoor.

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Daz Fonzie is a great man for courting controversy flirting with danger and living on the edge….
It’s beginning to become a National pastime. Maybe it should be serialized and called:
‘Daz Fonzie Does It Again’. The question is; who the winner and loser in this recent episode will be- shirl or Daz Fonzie. No doubt, Paddy Towers will be ‘on the blower’ to + Buckley for a comment.

HEIL!!!

( Don’t let on-say nothing- or I’ll be shot by firing squad at dawn).

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I never thought that I would be in the position of saying it, but I would take the word of a drag queen over that of a Roman Catholic bishop any day. As I’m sure would most people.

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Were the Brazilians and customers of the Boilerhouse James Donnelly figures for Abbot of Melleray someone to confide in and share a drink at night in the cafe section of the Boilerhouse? I never read such utter tosh.

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Isn’t there a priest in Dublin who allowed a young student to live in part of the house? Those days are over under the new regime.

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2.17
And Thank God for the New regime with NO baggage.
Sadly Archbishop Farrell has a mountain to climb in a Dioceses in such a mess buy gifted by the Holy Spirit he will try his Best.

Hopefully he also draws a line under “Gorgeous”.

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@ 2:17pm
With NO baggage! sadly you’re wrong there Nettie as usual. Also Farrell has more than a mountain to climb in the Archdiocese of Dublin and I wouldn’t call him gifted by The Holy Spirit.

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@ 5:11
Bela, rumour has it a Happy-Clappy conference will be held in Athlone this summer.
Are you going to attend? You could play the maracas while shuffling in your poly shorts
wearing your Lady B jersey!! Do join us !!!

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Cathal Daly was no heavyweight when it came to philosophy or theology for that matter, despite wearing his learning heavily. He lectured in Queens which is hardly the centre of learning and was neither Thomas Aquinas, J. L.Mackie or Fr James Schall.

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2.33….But he WAS a lecturer at Queens…by no means a small achievement. Your prejudice us very large indeed. Where do you offer your intellectualism – in the hen house??

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Queens is deemed a (very) provincial ‘institute’ on the mainland. Most parents on the mainland gear their offspring (who failed to gain entry to Oxbridge) towards Trinity in Dublin because it’s older and significantly greater in the international ratings than ‘Queens.’ And despite its current ranking Maynooth was always to the fore in Philosophy and theology about a hundred years ago (yes, a hundred years ago and certainly not now).

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In the latest QS World University rankings, TCD comes in at number 101. There are 18 UK universities ranked above it. QUB is at 209 and poor old Maynooth University is in the 701-750 band.
Hull, where Tom Deenihan’s doctorate comes from, is higher rated than QUB, at 601-650. The Pontifical University of Maynooth doesn’t even make the rankings, nor do any of the pontifical universities in Rome.
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2021

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SPCM should be renamed Queens’ University, Maynooth (QUM).
There was a serious proposal to rename the Pontifical University the ‘Catholic University, Maynooth’ until sometime spotted the unfortunate and not entirely inapposite acronym that that would produce.

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@ 8:02
Loose Goose Alert!!
Bela, I’ll leave the pink poly jersey to yourself. The Happy-Clappy moves might grow on you!
It might be a scorcher. And, you could wear your most attractive pink bonnet and be the belle of the ball. Wouldn’t it be a change from another day at Fairy House?

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Oul Gossip Alert @ 7:30pm

You are always a great one for the rummer Nettie usually because it was you who started it. I’m not into that happy clappy crap like you, anyway I wouldn’t want to upstage you, in your hideous polyester pink basque. I can just see you juggling your pom poms as if you were at yet other pope fanny shindig. Enjoy yourself!!! but I wont be joining you!!!🙄😏🤣

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I am good friends with a priest who you may know Pat. He has many a male friend, and they all think they are the only ‘one’. They are not, he takes them all for fools

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Manners make the the man ! What a true saying. It’s a pity that the hierarchy in D&C don’t even know how to spell the word manners. Eamonn Martin as well. Is this what Christianity really is about? Egos? Supremacy? Privileged? Ignorance? If the answer was yes then the Church in Ireland would be a shinning example

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However positive a spin put on it, this was a terrible and dysfunctional relationship. To seize a child (whatever his life chances otherwise), take him home and raise him as a slave (albeit one paid pocket money) is just that, slavery. However benevolent and beneficent Daly (in his own strange way) might have been, he denied that man his freedom and the chance to make his own life on his own terms, to seek his own good in his own way.
You can try and defend Daly’s actions on the grounds above, but they are the same reasons employed to defend the chattel slavery of Black Africans. “Their life would have been worse otherwise”, does not remove the stain and sin of slavery.
It beggars belief that a cardinal could do this (and think it proper) within living memory. It’s time the entire institution was shut down.

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It is in fact ‘grooming’ – the relationship might not have been a physical homosexual one but everything else in in reads like typical paedophilia grooming under the guise of benevolence.

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9.05: I think you, sir, and many are projecting yiur/their own realities onto Cahal Daly. I do not believe that there was any kind of sinister motivations in Cahal’s benevolence. It is a very easy narrarive to write but it does not fit the reality of the kindness shown to James. Pat seems to have befriended James and I am certain that if Pat for one moment believed your assertions, he would have acted swiftly. There is such an anti-Daly rhetoric at play that will believe any old rot of accusations or innuendos. Today, no adult would dare be seen alone with a child, vulnerable person or any one in a care unit. As I left the school this morning after visiting, we (teachers and myself) reflected on the changed nature of pupil/teacher interaction in the classroom and school play ground. Even the principal remarked how, because of fears of accusations, no child is brought to school matches by any one except the child’s parents/guardians. When a bus is hired, parents must be part of the supervision. I disagree with all the hypotheses being presented about the late Cardinal. They are vicious and nasty and undoubtedly hurtful to his family. Think what you like about him, your comments today, sir, are scurrilous and unprovable.

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It still hasn’t been established how old James was in 1964 when the then forty-seven-year-old Cahal “adopted” him, so to speak. Cahal wasn’t even a bishop at the time, but it seems he was able to go along to an orphanage and pick a boy or youth and take him back to his presbytery without anyone at the time raising an eyebrow.

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It sounds like the letter is based on the writer’s own life experiences and needs, not that of the deceased.

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Poor James. He may have had a comfortable life as the old cardinal’s retainer, but it doesn’t sound as though it was a fulfilled life. Your writer has excellent insight. it is so true that these confidants are ignored in public, and treated abruptly and rudely by their bosses to allay suspicion.

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Why do people think we British want to retain or conquer Ireland? I have visited the Republic of Ireland (as a child) but neither I nor any member of my family have ever been to Northern Ireland (except my uncle, who was posted there as a Royal Marine). We have all been to France at least once and to Spain multiple times. It would make no difference to any of us if Northern Ireland were part of the Republic of Ireland, or remained part of the UK, or became independent in its own right. The one time I went to Ireland was when (haha) we were going to the dogs!

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Oh is Her royal highness on his second trip already to the Yumbo centre? He deserves it with all the hard work he does.

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Ivor: Problem has its origins when “you British” “conquered” Ireland, then for generations, forceably suppressed its instinct for independence, including, most grievously, stealing its better lands to reward its own armed forces and supporters.
This history has deposited an alien culture in Ireland’s north east which created a puppet government and state by its then gerrymandered majority who saw themselves as primarily British. It is they who resist their inevitable absorption into a united Ireland. Simple demographic facts render this inevitable.
The day will come, …….. Tiocfaidh ar la.

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9.43am
Just as well the status of Northern Ireland is not down to Ivor Payne or anybody on the mainland and especially not anyone in the RoI. The Belfast/Good Friday Agreement affirmed and put into law the excellent principle that Northern Ireland will remain in the UK as long as its people (and they along) wish it to remain in the UK.

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Celtic Ciaran is a bit racist about an allegedly alien culture in Northern Ireland. Does he say that about the hundreds of thousands on New Irish who have been welcomed to the RoI in recent years? Given the low Irish indigenous birthrate and high abortion and outward emigration rates to England (ironically) and high inward migration, it won’t be long until the Irish culture and population are minorities in the RoI.

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Again, I’m not quite sure who you are attacking. There’s no British person alive today who “conquered” Ireland. The forces of Cromwell and William III are long dead, as are the Black and Tans. As I said, most British people are indifferent to Ireland, even more so to Northern Ireland. The days of kings, queens and lord protectors of England worrying that Ireland might be helpful to an enemy are long over (thankfully) and most of us regard it as simply another European country, which we might visit (or not), much like Belgium, Portugal or Spain.

I am no more guilty of what British people did before I was born (and without any permission from me) than any Irish person is guilty of the outrages of the IRA or the INLA. If Northern Ireland were to become part of the Republic of Ireland, many of us would regard that as one problem solved, but we would hope that Britain and Ireland would retain those unique historical links (eg British and Irish citizens can vote, work and live in each other’s country without restriction, despite the UK not belonging to the EU and Ireland not belonging to the Commonwealth) in the Common Travel Area. We genuinely wish Ireland well, there’s no reason for it to be otherwise.

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Anon @ 12:12. Why don’t you follow an angling blog instead of this one: you’re mighty handy with the diversionary “red herrings” tactics!

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What level of education did James possess? If he was a minor when he began to work for CBD, Daly would have been responsible for his education.

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Former pope Benedict XVI failed to act over four child abuse cases when he was archbishop of Munich, a German probe into the Catholic Church has found.

Pope Benedict, then called Josef Ratzinger, held the position from 1977 to 1982. He has denied the accusations.

But a new report into historical abuse allegations carried out by a German law firm incriminated the former pope.

Abuse continued under his tenure, it is alleged, and the accused remained active in church roles.

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Are you listening Mother Church: don’t ordain noblemen like the superior of Father Gruber, including renounced ones, because it without fail imposes the appearance of evil on their family: I say this without irony. What did Emeritus Ratzinger have in mind by dragging the Count (an Auxiliary Bishop), who may have had a naive view of deference, into this position?

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“Don’t tell the nuns where you are going or who you are going with”. Cahal Daly’s instruction to a young and vulnerable James Donnelly sets the scene for the rest of his life – indentured for €1.60 per day – taken away from nuns that would have organised employment or an apprenticeship enabling James to live a life where he had the skills and finances to access a more independent and fulfilled existence for himself. Makes you wonder how many more similar cases existed & what wages, conditions all the housekeepers and servants from mother and baby homes sourced by parish priests endured because they were vulnerable and sometimes estranged from their own birth family often hounded by parish priest to put pregnant daughters into the mother & baby home “system” in first place. Bishop Pat, you have opened yet another can of worms that merits further and more thorough investigation in due course.

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I won’t name the convent because that would identify the woman concerned, but an NI Mercy convent for years had a lowly paid lay female general skivvy, taken in at a young age from a troubled background, worked to the bone and not developed in any way. She started a relationship with a divorced man. The nuns said that brought scandal so she must choose between the man or the job and the accommodation in the convent that came with it. She chose the man and the nuns promptly sacked her and gave a week’s notice to move out of her room in the convent.

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1.09pm. This happened in 1986. I remember the year because it was the year I entered Maynooth and the convent sacking was the talk of the parish and people asked me what I thought about it. I said that people were more likely to be scandalised by the nuns’ poor treatment of a long serving and loyal domestic servant than by her having a relationship with a divorced man.

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12.13: I lived in a rural village where it was common for farmers and merchants to have “home help” – usually men or women from care homes of some kind. It never occured to me to ask about their employment because we, as children and teenagers, also worked on these farms for our daily keep…I didn’t think then I was a slave nor did my parents or others. We were glad of the money and were prepared to endure great hardship. Obviously, circumstances have changed today, thankfully. To retrospectively interpret all work opportunities given in the 50’s/60’s/70’s etc…as slave labour is very convenient when church bashing. We forget that many state institutions – political, financial and businesses of all kinds often sought employees from same care homes. Yes, in those days these were our only opportunities for earning money and were appreciated by many, many families. At 11 years of age, I was a shop attendant and worked on many a harsh farmland hoeing beet and stacking bales of hay. Great experience which instilled a good work ethic in me and my family all our lives. God help the snowflake generation. It would seem to me that you, commenter, had a spoiled, privileged upbringing. I wonder if your forebears ever availed of such “employees” or did they open their mouths in protest at “slave labour”?

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12.48: An excellent comment. It is all too earth to lay blame on the church for every ill of society. There were horrible abuses inflicted in the past – all totally unacceptable. Today we must ensure that in our 21st century developments and knowledge that all abuses are in the past. They’re not. Let’s open our eyes today…let’s call out present day abuse.

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12.48 I’m sure it was tough but at least it sounds like it was in the common cause and not dressed up as something by people who could have paid James more. James’ schooling may have been inadequate like my dad’s (poor teaching for a learning difference, but the Army helped him catch up). One of my ancestors was a domestic who switched to a different career. I wish I had had more work experience balancing the at the time excessive pressure in what few studies I was allowed at the time.

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If you don’t agree with low paid and vulnerable manservants, don’t have one.
Isn’t that the apparently slam dunk argument that pro-abortionists use on Twitter – if you don’t agree with abortion, don’t have one.

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Here, there was a real life case of genuine slavery. SLAVERY. Nothing else, whatever rosy hue is put on it. Black slaves in America (at least the better treated house slaves) were often fond of their “masters”, but it did not change the sheer evil of their slavery.

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Ivor perhaps I should make a point of saying that I totally agree with your outrage before commenting that slavery is fine in the new testament. Don’t expect a religion whose scriptures tell slaves to obey their masters to act differently from Daly.

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12.54: Igor, your face must be a very rosey hue colour with all this faux indignation. Be careful you don’t choke in spewing out your vomit.

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The New Testament is a wonderful but very human document. If God wanted to give a neat account of himself, he would not have called Moses, the OT prophets, or the Apostles. The “Word of God” is Christ, not the elaborately edited document called the Bible.

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Ivor, if God exists as the alleged all powerful Creator, then had He wanted , as you say, ” to give a neat account of Himself”, why didn’t He do something more sensible, logical, and productive, ….like having those Roman chronicles contain an accurate permanent and reliable historical account of Christ:
…..wait until instant communication of the digital age could broadcast His account worldwide.
……..??????
After all it’s calculated that our intelligent humanoid species existed way over 100, 000 years at least before the “emergence” of all that Biblical rigmarole, Old Testament or New. So surely waiting another couple thousand years would have mattered little.
As a means of communication by a supposed supreme God, can anything more abstruse be imagined?
Fact is that cathbots simply cannot face up to the reality that their cherished shibboleth of religion is what it is: a pious emotional cocuun
MMM

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I think that God is encountered in the warp and weft of life, in its sufferings and joys, in its rhythms of life and death, youth and decay. There’s a poetry that passes all understanding, a movement of love towards the Maker. “The love that moves the sun and the other stars”, to quote Dante, of each creature seeking its own perfection. The Bible, like human life, is the odd product of that movement. The best book on the subject, in my opinion, is “Letter to a Priest” by Simone Weil in which she criticises heavily the dogmatism of Catholicism, while emphasising the beauty she found in other religions, such as ancient Egyptian religion. That’d make the cathbots cry, but I think she had a point.
And, to my mind, if it’s not literally true, then it remains psychologically true (in the sense of providing a meaning and comfort to life, which are necessary to a good life). Just my personal opinion.

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Ivory, while respecting your opinion,
in reading your penultimate sentence (where you mention “psychological truth”), I would have to differ to any suggestion that such a concept of “truth ” is NECESSARY to leading g a good life.
The Golden Rule is a very ancient concept originating in the “mists of time.” Evolutionists understand it as a concept derived for our mutual wellbeing and embedded psychologically and emotionally through the generations, albeit regularly challenged by some of our more aggressive characteristics.
“Do as you would be done by ” seems to me sufficient without the trappings of some external almighty invigilator, whether psychological or real.
MMM

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Absolutely hilarious comments today. I love the way this subject brings the cathbot apologists out of the woodwork. Except for the abortion comment, that’s just a troll.

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When will Catholics finally open their eyes to the evil which permeates their church. It is in every corner, every crack in the wood

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They’re determined not to. Pat talks about it being like a mental illness but the complete refusal to see that there is abuse, crime and cover up under every stone you lift, must be a whole syndrome in itself.

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2.03pm
I imagine you’re not a great one for reading the Bible, but you would find there that Jesus talks about tares in the vineyard and what to do with them and what will happen to them, and also about the fate of those who cause even one of the little ones to be lost.

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It’s clean but used for sexual encounters among men. Popular with seminarians from the VEC, NAC, and Curia officials.

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Don’t you just admire the way his Eminence arranged his hands to display his bishop’s ring? Reminds one of his Immense, Archbishop Clifford, who should be head of the queue to be the subject of the next post.

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Jane Jones and the Archdiocese of Birmingham were exposed, called out, humiliated, lampooned and mocked for a correspondence which surfaced at IICSA in which Couve and Leonard and some other idiots and Jane (poor sacrificial lamb) discussed how victims of sexual child abuse derive pleasure from the administrations of their abusers – along the lines of ‘hey look on the bright side at least some comfort/pleasure was involved.’
This kind of egregious clerical mindset bubble is classic and is played out with the child/young man trafficked by Daly – oh how grateful he was to Daly, think of what terrible future saved him from, ah bless Daly who needed a significant other etc etc ad nauseum – this relationship was blatantly abusive – so much so the abused was supposed to be grateful for his £1.60 per day allowance.
I loathe clergy speak – always minimising or excusing evil, always wide of the mark unable to grasp abuse for what it is – abuse.
This wasn’t objectively a relationship of equals with mutual dignity and full consent- he was Daly’s servant cum slave and it is utterly abhorrent regardless of the spin or web the soft lad clerics spin or weave.

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Pat will you do a piece on Clergy who openly have boyfriends like Rory Sheehan and who get away with it?

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3.50: Missy Nobody, go out and help the homeless on our streets. Would make you an infinitely better human being, you utter fool.

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You ignoramus with your usual disgusting deflection stock reply .
You stupid denier, “fadder”.

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I honestly think that will Benedict failed on some matters, this report by a law firm from Munich, I think, would likely never have been drawn up if +Ratzinger remained just another suit wearer at V2 who later became a bishop, and no more.
It is not possible to compare how the then Abp Bergoglio tried to deliberately frustrate the course of justice through a multi-volume attack on the victims of Julio Cesar Grassi, plus the Inzoli case, directly after, with an unfortunately typical failure to remove errant priests from ministry.
+Ratzinger failed here, and failed to being peace to the Church, but I see think some factotum or ally of Francis encouraging this thrashing of an intellectual giant, someone who could move beyond a dogmatic idolisation of the ‘Spirit of V2.’
An example of an ally of Francis doing wrong under inspiration is the way Cardinal Pell saw a completely fraudulent set of claims landed on him. If +Pell had adopted a three monkeys policy with the Vatican Bank, Cardinal Becciu would not have been sending money to Australia (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/46071/becciu-accused-of-sending-vatican-funds-to-australia-during-pell-trial) to get Pell jailed and discredited. Karma isn’t a Catholic concept, but a cell for Becciu would be that.
So many priests rightly admire Ratzinger, but there is a coven who frankly have the Pope Emeritus residing in their heads rent free.
Hopefully an era of corruption is drawing to a close, and I mean by that Francis will see how he did wrong to better men then him, and so many Catholics, and he repents.

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No he hasn’t. It’s amazing how this old stuff is hot news, yet current enabling and cover up by Mr Angry is ignored by the media.

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Which ever way you look at it, a priest / bishop taking a 16 year old boy from an orphanage to his house looks very odd. He evidently go away with it all those years ago, and shame on the time and culture that allowed unaccountable clergy to do such things, but it would not happen today. The Safeguarding people would be on to him in a second. In the case of James Donnelly, it may have worked out reasonably well in his favour, but there will be dozens of lads like that who will have been picked out by clergy and it will not have worked out so well. Looking back, I cringe at the deference and trust we gave to clergy. It was shocking. We now know the results.

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By the way, where is Purcell at the moment ? Has he gone undercover, quiet, etc ? Or has he been shipped off somewhere for treatment ? Or is he still hanging about and still up to his old tricks ?

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5.00: Your conscience has been well scratched. Now go and do something worthwhile and meaningful, you layabout.

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GEMMA: (Lucca);
A friend of mine was a friend of a close friend of yours.
Tell the man in the middle to remain silent until we meet.
If he discloses confidences, I will clobber him with my handbag.
Be warned….
If You Aspire To Serve The Lord, Prepare Yourself For An Ordeal | Sirach 2:1

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4.54pn
Er, pure twisted evil ye say?
Now let me think what your referring to – Joseph Ratzinger covering up child abuse, Cardinal Daly trafficking, keeping as a wage slave and silencing a trafficked young man or an entry on a blog which challenges the abusivve clerical mindset – oh I see, the pure evil is the blog entry!!
Oh and so apoplectic are you – you enter it twice!! Warms ya heart so it does, warms ya heart.

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6.02: I suspect you don’t like truth about your state of mind when it’s presented to you. Your type are the laptop brigade who offer nothing worthwhile to society. Lots of talk but no action.

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When Jesus Came to Birmingham
When Jesus came to Golgotha, they hanged Him on a tree,
They drove great nails through hands and feet, and made a Calvary;
They crowned Him with a crown of thorns, red were His wounds and deep,
For those were crude and cruel days, and human flesh was cheap.
When Jesus came to Birmingham, they simply passed Him by.
They would not hurt a hair of Him, they only let Him die;
For men had grown more tender, and they would not give Him pain,
They only just passed down the street, and left Him in the rain.
Still Jesus cried, ‘Forgive them, for they know not what they do, ‘
And still it rained the winter rain that drenched Him through and through;
The crowds went home and left the streets without a soul to see,
And Jesus crouched against a wall, and cried for Calvary.
G. A. Studdert-Kennedy

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Oops ! I see Benedict is in the news for covering up abusing in Munich. It doesn’t play well. Francis has his own skeletons in that area too. What a mess. Well, I guess back in the day the culture was one of coverup. Trouble is, it’s still a big part of the clerical culture. God knows what is being hidden in the shadows, that is known about but is not being exposed, addressed, admitted to, challenged, changed……

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5pm. What a bloody stupid post. As for me not reading the bible you couldn’t be further from the truth. It is exactly because of this that I will call out corruption,abuse, misogyny , even murder as it is against the teaching of Christ.

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7.46pm

Your like the gift that keeps on giving and one of the reasons I soooo love this blog – ‘you suspect’ (suspect until your heart is content) and ‘your type’ (delicious – like a Jungian you have the temerity to think you know ‘my type) from an Annonymous blog entry says the key board warrior banging away at his keys on his laptop (mines a desk top if you must know) and just goes to show how wide of the mark are your presumptions and assumptions.
Look it’s easy – Daly trafficked a 16 year old male orphan flouting every safeguarding principle and kept his as his manservant wage slave for almost 50 years – they are both dead their secrets in the grave and yet justice she still cries out – what Daly did was morally reprehensible regardless of the eulogistic myths that are spun by the clerical class to assuage their dark clerical narrative!!

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8.57: A truly good psychotherapist will help you untangle your inner distortions. When you truly understand the dynamics of psychology – Jung, Freud, Maslow, Lonergan.. etc…you will be more enlightened. Try reading about personality psychology and identified behavioural patterns. You might find some elucidation about yourself that will assist you in moving beyond cliched, rehearsed anti clerical rant. Your retrospective assigning of sinister motives to Cardinal Daly is an easy exercise but very flawed and totally misleading, as evidenced by your scripted bias and prejudice. Now, after reading your poison, I no longer “suspect” that you don’t like TRUTH.. I honestly believe it frightens you. Thus, your abysmal efforts o dismiss my legitimate observations. You need a wider lens through which to understand the past, not just the narrow lens of this blog.

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I am genuinely puzzled as to what work there was for James to do all day. There are only so many times you can clean shoes and oil mitres. I don’t think he was the driver (another layman did that in Armagh) and he won’t have helped with admin. Did he cook or was he a cleaner or gardener? And how did Cahal explain his role when he was with him, for example in Rome?

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I thought he was referred to as his “valet”, or “batman” who it seems to have batted for the other side.

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Some like a bed, others prefer the adventurous life I am told. If you go down to the woods tonight, you’re sure of a big surprise 😱😂😬🙈

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As a person known to be talkative. I am absolutely speechless and disgusted at reading this. Daly knew about younger priest’s sexually abusing children and moved them from parish to parish, but to hear this ‘sympathizer’ I would think on going into the priesthood and through it’s training that one would know at the end whether or not it was for them. As an empathetic person I do agree that everyone has a right to be loved and cared for, but not when you have wholeheartedly decided to dedicate your life to God and celibacy! So Daly ignored children being sexually abused while having his young toyboy for his own satisfaction? It is sickening what goes on. This ‘church’ is an evil confused sick mess. No wonder people are turning their backs on them. Hypocritical low life evil institution, never mind being the richest. Taken from hard working God fearing parishioners!

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10.14: You are OTT – completely. All the disgusted commenters today are full of faux outrage. All are using James, in his death, to attack Cahal Daly. None of you, like myself, ever heard of James until yesterday and then many appeared like a pack of wolves chasing after Cahal. Only a small few expressed sympathy or a prayer for James. And however twisted your view of the relationship between James and Cahal, who really cared about James? Pat seemed to be kind to him and I have no doubt that if Pat discerned abuse of any kind, had have spoken about it. I consider some commenters today to be trapped in hatred and vengeance, sadly. May God embrace James at the table in his kingdom where Cahal is seated too. Won’t we be very disappointed if God brings us to the same table?

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The mere fact of him telling James not to tell the nuns where he was going places this in dodgy, illicit territory.
The most interesting thing is the attempts to make out it was ok and to deflect from it.

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@10.55 Of course it’s about daly! Vengeance? I’ll leave that to God, but I’ll not be sitting anywhere near that evil monster!! Pat is kind to everyone, especially people like James and myself, whom have been treated like trash by members of the church. So before you go mouthing off. Read my comment again! James is at peace and hopefully far away from daly as possible. Which I’m sure he will be.

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10.44pm
What pretentious twaddle you peddle.
It’s an anonymous blog – whoever or whatever you think I am is a fiction of your own pseudo science imagination.
Look, let me try and be as clear as I can – try and resist projecting your own hang ups and psychosis – in your case the need to denigrate etc in an endeavour to divert attention from the issue at hand – Daly blatantly broke every principle of safeguarding and upholding human dignity – his valet entered his employ and space non consensualy and was a wage slave – who knows if their relationship was sexual – but remember everything in the world is about sex – except sex, because sex is about power – now ask yourself if Daly and his valets relationship was about sex?
I hope you feel a little bit better about yourself having got your little faux pseud rant off your chest.
Sorry to disappear but being of the truth hear darling!!

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