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AMY MARTIN ASKS PRIESTS FOR COPIES OF THEIR WILLS.

An Armagh priest has sent me a copy of Eamon Martin’s latest letter to priests.

He is reminding.priests to update their wills and lodge a copy of their wills in the archbishop’s House.

Conveniently he is supplying priests with a Will Template.

He is remind priests that they themselves are responsible for the cost of their funeral, their grave, their headstone and any after funeral booze up 😀

In the past, in many dioceses paid for priest’s funeral. Those days seem gone.

I would imagine a goodly number of Armagh priests would not want Amy Martin reading their will and finding out what money property and possessions might have?

Some priests may have family money?

Others will have things left to them in wills by parishioners.

There will be some priests who have paid themselves extra out of parish monies over the years and decades.

As my father used to say: “Every priest christens his own child first”.

166 replies on “AMY MARTIN ASKS PRIESTS FOR COPIES OF THEIR WILLS.”

Pat, it’s not unusual for Bishops to request wills but I would not agree with it as a policy. I have never known of any Diocese paying for a priests funeral. As “self employed”, we have to arrange for all such expenses ourselves and I have no difficulty with this. You know that. Why feign surprise? Ate you trying to stir up mischief? I agree that we make our own arrangements and only those we entrust with our will should have access to it or a close family relative. Who’ll pay for your funeral booze up? I ask the question as you cynically suggest! I’ve been to many priests funerals and there was never a booze up. Ever. Why the lie?

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@10.14pm You ask Pat, “Who will pay for your funeral booze up”? As a priest friend of Pat I will ensure there is a proper booze up. So don’t worry your head on that score old bean.

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10.17: But you don’t do fun Pat! The priest who forwarded you the letter has little to worry about. Really, find more important issues.

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10.28pm
If it is nothing to worry about, why don’t you approach your parish with a donation to cover any future priest funerals?

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I always assumed, as a parishoner, that the parish paid for a PP’s funeral. It’s a diocesan event, so I thought it was akin to the military funeral of a soldier, where the MOD pays for the funeral and headstone.

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The Will template is shocking the kind of thing you’d buy at WH Smith’s. Those templates keep contentious probate solicitors in business when disputes arise after the testator’s death. It’s reckless of the Archbishop to enclose one. He should encourage his clergy to make a proper Will with a solicitor.

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Thanks for the warning. I was going to use it as a template (I’m a lay man) in order to save a few bob by not going to a solicitor, but it looks like a false economy.

Last time I looked at the will templates on sale in WH Smith it said that the reflected the law of England and Wales and were not recommended for use in Scotland or NI. I am surprised that Amy is promoting a single template for an archdiocese that spans the border. Is the law on this the same on both sides of the border?

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NI would be similar to England and Wales. Scots law is based on Roman Law and I believe that part of an estate must devolve under a ‘forced heirship’ regime. It is a false economy to attempt your own will. It’s best to search out a solicitor who is a member of the Society of Trusts and Estate Practitioners as they are highly qualified in this field of law. Solicitors are also obliged to hold professional indemnity insurance, so if an error does come to light after your death, then at least your beneficiaries have that to fall back on. The archbishop must have taken leave of his senses sending out that template.

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Properly drawn up wills by solicitors aren’t expensive, considering the certainty they provide and the potential future problems they avoid.

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Oh dear. Seems like someone is having a strop. I’ve been in the company of many priests after a funeral and they could drink me under the table. Pink gin being their order of the day

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Priests have the worst employment rights. They are required to be self-employed and, as such, they do not have the rights of employees (eg a contract of employment etc) yet they are also at the mercy of their bishop, who has huge power over them.
If they are truly self-employed why can a bishop tell them where to live, or ask for their will? It seems that priests have many obligations to their bishop (who is their employer in all but name), but no employee rights.
It is the worst of both worlds, being neither truly self-employed nor truly an employee. A true employee would have death in service payments, which would cover their funeral costs.

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In my previous life as a National Insurance Inspector, I used to adjudicate as to whether a person was an employee (contract of service) or self-employed (contract for services). The situation of ministers of religion is really bizarre. By all the normal rules, most of them are plainly, undeniably employees. The killer is the requirement to live in a particular building, as you might demand of a soldier in barracks or a live-in butler. Neither of them are self-employed. The piles of restrictions as to how you do your job are another massive pointer towards employee status. Want to invent your own sacraments, Liturgical calender or your personal text of the Mass? Plus the ability of a bishop to move you from Parish A to Parish B any time, just as the Army transfers a soldier.

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It’s all control Pat. Control the clergy in life as in death also. Look at the three grand outdoor tombs near Armagh Cathedral. I doubt the families paid for them.

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They’re like a cult in Armagh. And the wives are even worse. Seems to be a handy retirement fund for Well paid professions – teachers, etc.

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See I said y’all would whinge about permanent deacons sooner or later. Soooo unprofessional.

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9.55: Very nasty and unnecessary vulgarity. Were you disallowed from being a Deacon or is there a Deacon working with you (if you’re a priest) whom you dislike? Thank God for our Deacons.

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1.07pm – Deacon’s wife no doubt?

These permanent Deacons are a waste of space. They’re a failed project to inject vocations in to the Church. It’s a load of men who think they’re better than Jesus himself! I know a few across Ireland who have been told by their PPs to stop preaching

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Jesus, the holy priests are especially vicious today. And they blame the shortage of priests on Vatican 2 rather than their own behaviour….

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Fr’s if you want a millstone round your neck then get yourself a permanent deacon and even worse their wives. They love burial, marriage and baptism stipends.

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It is an agreeable source of retirement funding and a boost in social status. I saw the five in Armagh yesterday. The usual suspects: middle aged men, and their wives, who suddenly find they are married to a reverend.

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Eamon played a blinder on Sunday at his Permanent Diaconate ordination.
And there was a transitional deacon lurking in the choir. Answers on a postcard….

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If ++Eamon climbs Slieve Gullion and ++Dermot climbs the Dublin Hills (#notamountain), they can have a zoom call from their respective peaks. On a clear day, ++Dermot will be able to make out Slieve Gullion to the north. It’ll be west on the horizon from the Cooley Mountains and the Mourne Mountains that will be to the east.
++Eamon will be able to ask; who is greater, he who has climbed a mountain or he who has climbed a hill?
30 days to go to the Lenten season. Both ++s can take on the peak challenge every day.
Pax.

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Some of the elder Armagh Canon’s wills should make interesting reading. All the property left to them by auld dolls who they have courted over the years. Especially those who own property both sides of the border. There is one auld Canon rotten in money and property left to him and they virtually canonise him. Sly and a shrewd operator. Fond of the envelope during First Friday rounds.

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Well there’s not many Canons to choose from, so are you talking about any of the following?

Fee
Curry
Sweeney
McDonnell
Murphy
Toner
Murray
Clyne
O’Byrne
Carroll
Crawley

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@9.41am All those names you mention basically sums up why Armagh is in the state it currently is in. The old guard have much to answer for.

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Pat @ 2.30 – all company men. Nothing hard hitting or exciting about them, in my opinion.

Pat – do you have any experience of the Armagh Canons? I’d be intrigued to have your opinion.

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Some sweating done in Armagh parochial houses now. Where do the riches come from for 2nd homes and fancy cars?!?
It has to be the richest diocese in Ireland as it affords to prop up those priests on sabbatical and PG studies and off duty. Where are these guys? And why?

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A former PP (‘pray for me when you see a rainbow’) had his then fancy Alfa Romeo and stuff paid for by doting parents, or so I’m told. I somehow don’t think Ap Connell would have done so, like +Martin possibly in Armagh. Some (Fr Jim Chesney the alleged Claudy bomber might be an extreme example) effectively get themselves adopted by adoring families (the women I suppose), but that doesn’t account for a general comfortableness in certain places.

Sometimes it best not to look too closely, if no one is being hurt, but do people put 50 yoyos in the collection basket so Fr can have a really big SUV)? A smaller car and money instead for ailing priests and the poor.

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To be fair, the letter is not so badly constructed as to request a copy of a priest’s will. That would be an outrageous invasion of privacy and, canonically, a blurring of the lines between the internal and external fora.

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Thanks for your years of dedicated service , and good intentions abused by some old bastard of a Bishop , now give us your money , and pay for your own funeral in the process.

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I am having a few late night snifters Pat or a snortarina as Denis Thatcher used to refer to them in case I get mocked. Incidently Mags hated him talking drinking habits and told him off. Despite the snifters I think that letter from +Armagh is a bit rich and intrusive.

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The auld doll in Armagh basically wants to know which of his clergy has fathered children. Very rare I know, but it has happened recently with the death of a priest.

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The template is helpful as a guide but it’s not necessary for a priest to lodge a copy of his will in the diocesan office. That’s only advisory so some priests will choose not to……and they’re correct. Why should some nosy staff member in a diocesan office have a chance to look at anyone’s private documents?
Our diocese has never paid for priest’s funerals…….our diocese wouldn’t pay for a priest’s lunch, never mind his funeral. It’s not the done thing…..and anyway, younger priests are much more independent of their diocese today which is a good thing.

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It is BS to say Priests are self employed when they depend on the Diocese for so much , and thay make a vow of obedience to the Bishop .

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It’s the most bizarre definition of “self-employed” that I’ve ever come across. Is it a tax/National Insurance dodge by dioceses, so that priests pay lower National Insurance and the diocese does not have to pay employer’s National Insurance, or is it just to ensure that priest’s don’t have employee rights?

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Self Employed just means you are not payed via PAYE system (Pay As You Earn) in the UK. It is just a tax thing — it means the Diocese doesn’t have to have employ extra staff to “do your tax.” That’s why self employed people have to pay for their own accounts.
However, in many regards, priests are quite different from other self employed people, like they don’t have mortgages — and they often more than dependent on their diocese for many things which “normal” self employed people are not reliant on others for: it is quite unfair in this latter respect, and this can be a used as a “hold” on a person so to speak. It makes them more vulnerable if the Bishop is a person who is adept in the ways of abuse — and the covering up of same…

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LOL you all knew what you were signing up for and you really need to get over it. Nobody feels sorry for you! 😂

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(1) Funeral expenses are payable out of the estate of the deceased and there i# no need to say so expressly.
(2) This template will is a most odd document. I have seen hundreds of wills in a long career, and the phrase for appointing executors is always a simple ‘I appoint…’ not a ‘would wish.’
(3) I have never seen a modern will in which the testator declared himself

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If Priests are self employed why does
Laicization exist ? How can you remove from the clerical sate someone
who works for himself ?

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Or how can you suspend a priest or give or withold a celebret, or give or withhold faculties to preach or hear confessions, if they are self-employed?

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There is a parallel in the world of work. For example you could be registered as a nurse but your employment as a nurse is separate. You can be registered but not working, but if struck off you can’t be either.
This would go for professions like dentists, doctors, social work etc.

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11.08 in all those cases the registering body is separate from one’s employers. The RCC is not so, hence conflict of interests at expense of vulnerable individuals.

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More proof of RCC obsession with money & above all else – that’s their real God whatever else they might say. There is no need whatsoever for this blatant intrusion into personal finances of individual clergy. It would be suffice for clergy to sign a document simply confirming that they have made a Will and that they have left funds & instructions for burial etc. & to confirm the firm of solicitors where Will is held. No other employer asks for the actual Will itself to be lodged in its offices. Funeral arrangements could be lodged in Archbishops office in case death occurs at weekend but no need for Will to be lodged there. Given all the other well documented violations & disrespect demonstrated & upheld by Church hierarchy – this is clearly a cynical ploy to access private financial information.

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I think the only other organisation that will ask for your will and funeral arrangements is the army in times of war. Amy thinks a lot of himself to believe that clergy will trust him with their will and funeral arrangements, and I suspect a lot of them will simply ignore this latest missive. Bishops so often say that clergy are self-employed operators, and that the diocese has no responsibility or liability for them, especially in the last number of decades in respect of abusive clergy. Although, I think some courts in some jurisdictions have corrected that and ensured that dioceses and bishops do have some kind of vicarious liability for priests who work for them. Seems as though Amy and co want it all ways whenever and however it suits them. This will / funeral business is another one of these occasions, because knowledge and possession of these kinds of things will give them some leverage and power. I say tell him to sling his hook, dear Fathers !

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I’ve never know of a bishop insisting in a will but information about a priest’s funerals is necessary for the local ordinary. The full will, no. Absolutely not. However, I think the priest who sent you the letter is stupid and will unleash unnecessary scorn on Archbishop Martin, whuch off his intention. Disgusting. . Father, get a grip on real issues.

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Oul Gossip Alert @9:01am

We don’t need to guess at who posted this poorly written, badly spelt, over punctuated comment. Get a grip Nettie, you should only comment on what you know, which is not much, and spare us, your usual gibberish.

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@10:12

Aul Loose Goose Talking Gibberish Alert !!
Get a grip, Bela. You are talking through your pecker.
Spare us your usual loose beak talk.

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Oul Gossip Alert @10:29am

I couldn’t care less what you call me Nettie. I support The Latin Mass Society, The Society of St. Peter, the ICKSP and the SSPX and all who celebrate The Tridentine Mass.

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10:45 Not Catholic then. St Clement’s episcopal church in Philadelphia celebrates the tridentine mass. You could go there.

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This is not True every Priest in the UK has been told get insurance or a funeral plan as the dioceses do not pay it unless exceptional circumstances.
The Families usually deal with it all and the Bishop just turns up for the Requiem

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Some Irish dioceses have introduced columbaria in their cathedrals as a money-spinner. Perhaps they could sell funeral plans to their priests next with ” a free aspergillum just for enquiring”!

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Oul Gossip Alert @ 10:59am
That was your post and you’re known for your false allegations. Was that same post that printed your Criminal Convictions, If not I’m more than happy to oblige. Just askin’😏

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11.15
I am the commenter at 10.59. The original comment alleging your identity was, alas, not mine. Pat can confirm.
But do please supply a list of someone’s criminal convictions ad libitum.
The comment at 11.02 makes perfect sense.

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Nettie @ 11:02am

There are plenty of Catholic Churches who celebrate The Most August Holy Sacrifice of The Mass in the Tridentine Rite. I’ll send you a list, you won’t have to go as far as Philadelphia, but don’t let me stop you Bye Bye. 😏

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I had to laugh when Fr Z ‘clarified’ for his readers that he thinks SSPX masses fulfill the Sunday obligation. He made himself a laughing stock.

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11:42 am,

The difference is that S. C’s now celebrates the uetus Roman mass in English with Latin propers although everyone in that highly literate congregation understands Latin.

BTW, there is a lovely ORC chapel, in Calabria, that uses the 1965 Missal in Italian with Latin private prayers. I noticed that they inserted the name of a customer-friend in the Canon’s prayer for a Bishop.

Both are sensible approaches to preserving elegant celebrations of the Holy Eucharist in languages understanded of the people with just the right smattering of Latin. Where there is a will, there is a way, as it were.

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Seraphim, yes. I was purely adding to the collection of churches not in communion with each other that Bela listed. You of all people know about the English/American/Anglican missal in its various editions. I grew up in a Church of England parish which had been of that tradition and older people often spoke of their dislike that the vicar now keeps talking in the service.

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I think Amy’s missive is twofold – to make clergy fund their own funerals and wakes and protect ecclesiastical goods from acquisitive family members. It was common for an inventory to be drawn up of church assets to protect them from unscrupulous families of priests so that presbyteries and sacristies were not pillaged when a priest moved or died.

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Jesus, will you all get over having sold your soul to the empire or get out. What a bunch of moaners. This must be another reason Pat Buckley attracts clergy derision – jealousy.

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Most sensible and prudent I should have thought for the Archbishop of Armagh to write to his priests about their wills and funeral arrangements. I’m surprised he is so gentle about it as over here priests have to lodge their wills and arrangements with the bishop, no ifs or buts! In fact priests are encourage to take out a funeral plan with a local and trusted “Catholic”undertaker and pay for it before it happens. I’m surprised to learn that in Ireland a priests funeral and headstone would be paid by anyone other than his family or estate. Again in England every priest, be he curate or Cardinal, has to stump up for his own obsequies. Spud Murphy O Connors family had to pay not only for only for his funeral, but the rather fine and very expensive white marble slab that covers his tomb in Westminster Cathedral. No sentiment in finance, as is oft remarked.

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@10.31am Speaking as one who was at a time “over there” where you are you are talking complete caca regarding priests wills and the expenses of Cormac’s funeral.

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Last will and testaments are a ‘private affair’ and have nothing to do with the Diocese — except for the liturgical aspects!
If you are a member of a religious community, then that’s quite different; a religious community is a quasi family in a real sense. They even have a joint bank account and are next-of-kin on hospital computer systems etc.

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Bishops arguing that their clergy are self-employed is designed, as commentators have said, to avoid National Insurance and tax liabilities on the Diocese, and to avoid as far as possible taking any responsibility for the actions of a priest, especially abusive and criminal actions. The Courts have seen the inconsistency of a priest being claimed to be self-employed with consequent diocesan / episcopal lack of responsibility or liability, and the fact that clergy have a promise of obedience to a bishop and are moved around at the bishop’s will. In many jurisdictions, a diocese and bishop can no longer continue to pedal the fiction that he has no responsibility and liability for his priests and their actions, and is now deemed in many respects to have vicarious liability. Still, however, priests are treated atrociously by bishops who expect that in order to receive any benefits, especially in retirement, priests are required to tow the line and to continue paying deference and obedience to their bishop.

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I brought Cahal Daly to the industrial tribunal for wrongful dismissal.

They would not hear the case as they said I was a sub contractor and Daly was the contractor.

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12.13: Pat, when will you move past your disdain, contempt and vengeance towards Cardinal Daly? Tiresome after all these years to keep trampling on his grave and memory. I’m sure he’s smiling kindly on you…..

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I not not think of Daly very often. But when I do my thoughts of him are based on my experiences of him.

I believe he did me a great injustice that was ever rectified.

As his “victim” I am allowed to speak.

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Injustice? Who speaks for the victims of Buckley? Nugent made a good job of it on YouTube yesterday !

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I had a very positive meeting today with Robert Nugent. There will be more…..

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2.46: …Preparing a space for you probably, Pat.. 😁😂😋😄🤣😃😃😃😆😆…

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Pat, yes. This is being looked at by Lisbreen. They see it as a way of generating more income. A delegation was sent to Dublin Cemetry to see how it all works

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Absolute bullshit- sure there isn’t a patch of turf left in Milltown to build anything. You are clearly just a trouble maker

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At one time Catholics weren’t allowed to get cremated but now the diocese wants to build a crematorium. I wonder if the people of the Falls want to look out their window and see a crematorium chimney smoking away? I’m sure it will be a popular money-spinner, though.

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1.48: That’s nonsense. Creations are now very popular. But better to come – “aquamation…..” Will you object to water/chemical style decomposition of bodies…like Archbishop Tutu Had?

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@1.19pm Total rubbish. Belfast city council is building a new one at Roselawn which it owns. There is no space at Milltown and no plans for Milltown before the Council now or in the future.

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Correct 3-12. The law at present prevents the building of another crematorium in Northern Ireland. A number of companies have looked at the idea but soon found the legal stumbling block!|
An additional facility is being built at Roselawn. Lots of cremations for deceased from Derry, south Down, Tyrone and Fermanagh now take place at Lakeland’s Crematorium in Cavan

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9.29 Is this export in conformity with the Irish Sea Border Protocol? I think we should be told.

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+ Amy had better send out a follow-up letter ASAP as he failed to include a disclaimer with his will precedent along the lines of ” No liability is accepted for any financial loss, personal distress or disappointment.” A disappointed beneficiary may well have a claim against the diocese if the will template is not completed or executed correctly by a priest.
Furthermore, his will precedent includes the schoolboy error made by WH Smith’s in that it fails to mention that the spouse or civil partner of a beneficiary should not witness the will.
https://www.independent.co.uk/money/where-there-s-a-will-trouble-may-lurk-a-diy-form-that-could-disinherit-potential-beneficiaries-2316645.html
Bishop Pat has done + Amy a service in publishing the letter and will precedent allowing these serious errors to come to light before they are too late to rectify.

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This doesn’t seem real, I think 2:39 is saying this because the guy in the link inundated the boy with post.
The clerical haters on here will stop at literally nothing. Although despite claiming they knew who Magna Carta was (and making false claims that he legally wasn’t allowed near children) they couldn’t name him.
In fact anyone making a claim like this anonymously on here is more likely to be John McCubbin himself than not.
Don’t forget Pat – you like proof and my money is on them failing to produce any.

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3.00
Pat, Bela is as daft as they come. Someone allegedly identified him yesterday and above. His response is to claim that the person named in the link is Jim S. the commenter who frequently recommends readers write to nuncios and other prelates. If Jim S. is a gay Irishman living in Scotland, as he claimed here going back some time ago, it’s unlikely Bela is correct. The person named in the link doesn’t have an Irish surname. Looks Scottish to me. In short, Bela gives no evidence for his claim which is spurious.

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@ 3:30pm
Patsy you know I didn’t send you that link. The person named is well known for writing malicious letters and you can see how it started. I’m sure Police Scotland can confirm it is indeed him. Nothing spurious about it. Caught by DNA through licking a stamp before sending the malicious letters.

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4.05 There were NO boys involved and NO criminal convictions it was a witch hunt.
JM is a bachelor and NEVER has been with a Male or Female and that is FACTUAL.
However you cannot stop blogs and people writing untruths.
However they poke the innocent and Bella Lugosi like the married men who bring her gifts or her partner Martin SSPX who they holiday together.
Try live by the Gospels

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2.41: Why a picture of said person? For under your pillow at night for fantasising? Why? You take the biscuit…..

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Jewish girlfriend advised me to kill folks with kindness if annoyed by them.

Perhaps you Irish could inundate ++Amy with boilerplate wills. Something along the lines of that Fred Gwynn Christmas movie.

BTW, why do you call him Amy? Since he lives in a place calle Aracoeli shouldn’t you call him ++Bambino or ++Babe for short?

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Jimmy at 1:45. Contact the diocese c/o Lisbreen. Ask them if they have carried out a feasibility study into this and then we’ll see Who is talking bullshit. No good you getting ur knickers in a twist when YOU aren’t aware of the facts. They will do anything to keep the bucks coming in

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Pat, scroll down right hand column.
https://www.fromrome.info/2022/01/29/breaking-bergoglio-prepares-to-dissolve-the-sovereignty-of-the-vatican-city-state/
by Br. Alexis Bugnolo
“…The Vatican published its 2022 budget. While this may seem a dry topic, in reading the Vatican News report about this, one finds that two maxims are proven true: “Follow the money” and “The devil’s in the details. And like anything else, you cannot do either, unless you read and think about what you are reading.So here is my commentary….”

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His prophecies of a billion dead (or was it 2 bn?) are mad. Some tweets about vaccines don’t cut it as supporting the claim. I don’t like the lockdowns (which can return) and am concerned of these inadequately tested gene treatments (maybe one actual vaccine), but his claims discredit those concerned about lockdowns and related.

Given the Vatican Bank / IoW crookedness aired a bit in the courtroom recently, but well known over years, I suspect quite a few in the Vatican very much prefer to have the shelter of a sovereign state. If Pope Francis wanted to end the sovereignty of the Vatican State, he’d experience the fate of the ‘smiling’ Pope, JP1. Adding in extra territorial entities like hospitals, churches and schools is hardly wicked. There has been severe financial losses and poor financial checks in many of these (one hospital whose name I forget is drowning in a sea of red ink, aside from managerial or governance issues). They’ve lost enough with property speculation. The Substitute Secretary of State questioned this reliance on speculation. Re-ordering financial controls is surely prudent.

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8:56 pm – The article is written by a Legionaire of Christ, an order established by Fr. Marcial Maciel in Mexico in 1941.

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10:18. – Patheos? Your remark is illogical moving from the particular to the general.

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6:00pm – His ‘prophecies’ are guesstimates in the context of roll out, if, or when halted, or continuation. Do you know what the vaccine contains? The information is readily available.

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Has anyone else got Parochial taste or am I the only one? A friend of mine has wide ranging taste and I seem to have horse blinkers on when it comes to my own.

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3.58
Stamps are self gummed so shows how gullible you are.
Police Scotland arrived 1 April 2013 not 2009 but the article states 2008.
As usual Bella Lugosi full of hurtful degrading gossip against a hard working guy who was on Reception yesterday.
Robert Harkins Govanhill’s Ina De Camp with her clutch bag

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Oul Gossip Alert @ 6:04pm

Ha! Ha! Ha! you’re such a liar you were caught out by DNA, the stamps were not self gummed at that time. I’m a gossip Ha! Ha! Ha!. A hard working Guy Ha! Ha! Ha! you really live in a fantasy world of your own making. You are a malingerer and a parasite who has lived off the taxpayer for years, high time you were re-assessed which will happen soon trust me. The only thing you’re good at is making up names, let’s face it you’ve posted under so many.🤣🤣🤣

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Bela, you didn’t answer the commenter’s charge of holidaying with your SSPX Martin which actually would fit very well with your lace and Tridentine proclivities, including your obsession with polyester.

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7.58
More to the point, does Bela Lugosi have his?
In the spat between Jim S. and Bela, while they have some things in common, there’s a big difference between them. Jim S. is decent s d harmless. Bela is a haridan, using vulgarities like ‘hoor’ and ‘b****x’ about our Holy Father, while splittering about polyester and the Tridentine Mass.

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10.26
That was almost 20 years ago, if indeed it is the person you are alleging, but who denies the allegation. So it’s your word against his. I know whom I’d believe.
Even if it were he, he pleaded guilty. You want to nail him to that cross for ever. In your case, you are continuing with the vulgarities. He has stopped. You have not.

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@ 11:09pm
Believe who you want they are not allegations it’s the truth and you know it. Because it’s indeed you posting about yourself again ya bollox, hope that’s not too vulgar for a false sanctimonious oul ejit. lie you.

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11.34
Bela Rob Roy, for your information, I am the poster at 11.09. I am Irish. Pat can confirm from my IP number. I had never heard of the person you named until two or three days ago. But if he is Jim S. well his literacy skills are on a par with your own. Which is a damning verdict. However, he’s far more credible than your vulgar and Tridentine hypocrisy.

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I’m surprised that Martin asked for it. Technically priests are employees of his or any Bishop diocese. Also they have applied for PUP which makes it a dead cert. They lived in properties owned by bishops and are under the direction of their Bishop re something such as transfers. It’s laughable to see bishops saying that these priests are employees of his when the abuses arose,just self employed.

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How the feck can a priest be self employed and yet subject and servant of the Lordship until the day they die. Put them PAYE like everyone else. Is thauld AP (arse pocket) account policy still in use

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I realised a moment ago that you priests don’t have to Send their wills to +Martin cos they are self employed.

For the sake of analogy, imagine you are self employed and work for some builder out there. Self employed construction workers draw up their wiils for their wives or GF or BF or whatever, not the builder who hired you.

In your case, that builder would be +Martin. So why does he needs your wills, that job would be the executor of your wills if drawn up and signed.

Just wondering, why does he needs your wills in the case of self employed. 😉🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Analogy 👆demonstrate that you might not need it to hand it over to him unless it was Canon law that I know nothing about it.

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Bloody hell. You finally admit that you know nothing about something? Big surprise cos you always think you lnow about everything. Whatever else they taught you in cabra, they certainly didn’t teach you humility.

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Dan at 10.14pm
Im only human with flaws as I don’t know everything.
Cabra teaches you a lot of brutality, physical pains or hurts, demeaning words, failed education as I could go on. As they lack humility such as yourself cos you like it or love putting people down if they are people with disabilities. That said, it says all and more about you. Nuff said 😉🙈

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Awk dont talk crap. The fact that you are a balloon had nothing to do with your disability! Its the fact that you spout crap continually when you clearly have nothing of substance to say. And when you’re called out on that you play the disability card. Pathetic.

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Alvin at 11.26pm
Nothing to do with ontological, it’s +Martin fishing for information in wills that might affect his diocese.
Priests are self employed as they have no obligation to +Martin as regards to wills as that’s my view. Diocese don’t pay their funeral bills (case of self employed priests)

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Amy cheap will is going to cause the diocese problems. You get what you pay for. An entrepreneur with a £100m estate paid £140 for a will from a high street solicitor, and unsurprisingly it failed.

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