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MY MEETING WITH ROBERT NUGENT.

On Monday evening I had a long meeting with Robert. He has messaged me asking for a meeting.

I am always open to meet anyone anytime and any place.

My impression of Robert is that he is sincere and authentic in his views, his words and his actions.

Like he says on the video, he and I have very different views on many things. We would disagree on our understanding of many things. We would also disagree on how issues should be tackled

I believe after meeting me, Robert accepts that I too am sincere and authentic.

He expressed the view that the Church had treated me badly and that I should have an apology for that.

He was surprised to hear that 14 years I had written to Bishop Noel Treanor asking to meet him for a friendly chat and a cup of tea – and that I have never received a reply.

PRIESTS AND SEMINARIANS:

One of the main purposes of his wanting to meet was to tell me that a number of priests and seminarians that have featured on my blog have reached out to him and told him that being on the Blog brought them to a very bad place with depression and dark thoughts.

These priests told him that it was not so much what I have written on the Blog- but the cruel comments of others that I approved.

This led us to a discussion in which we identified two types of “errant” priests:

1. Priests who are weak and have fallen and failed but who were not engaged in any form of abuse.

2. Cynical priests who are deliberately living a double life without feeling any remorse and with every intention to keep living like that.

In the video you will see Robert’s reaction to both types – compassion for the fallen weak ones and challenge for the cynical ones.

In fact he tells them – “change or leave”.

Robert is a proponent of the Catholic laity working to renew the Church.

He introduced me to two things I had not been previously aware of:

1. The Home of the Mother ministry

http://www.homeofthemother.org

2. The Exodus 90 ministry.

http://www.exodus90.com

I need to look deeper at these two movements.

But I do believe that for the Church to be renewed it will have to be a case of the sheep leading the shepherd’s.

Because many of the shepherd’s are happy to sit in the comfortable pit they are in.

Archbishop Fulton Sheen used to quote a wonderful verse that is relevant here:

I THINK MY SOUL IS A LAME OLD DUCK

I think my soul is a lame old duck,

Dabbling around in farmyard muck.

Fat and lazy with useless wings.

But sometimes when the North wind sings,

And the wild ones hurtle overhead.

It remembers something lost and dead.

And cocks a weary bewildered eye,

And makes a feeble attempt to fly.

It’s fairly content with the state it’s in.

But it’s not the duck it might have been.

Bishop are you the bishop you might have been?

Father are you the priest you might have been?

Sister are you the sister you might have been?

Brother are you the brother you might have been?

Jack are you the Christian man you might have been?

Mary are you the Christian woman you might have been?

Is it possible we could all learn to fly again?

312 replies on “MY MEETING WITH ROBERT NUGENT.”

One of the problems is that type 2 pretend to be type 1 when cornered and also that they want to be treated as type 1. An ongoing sticking point will always be that many people who comment here over emphasize (IMHO) mercy and secrecy.
I agree that many of the comments here are the problem and you have now been asked by multiple people to alter your approach to what comments you allow through.

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Well those know know me, know that last person I am is homophobic. I have said to many they were always welcome to dinner with my and my wife and family . If any comments are causing hurt let me know and they will be removed. I don’t put labels on people in order to have a conversation with them or a dinner with them. You can have different views and beliefs without being at each other’s throats. There was an American priest called Fr. Robert Nugent who had a run in with the Vatican, I used to get asked about him, so for 25 years I’ve done a lot of reading and study of the subject. I’m not related to him or know him, but I suppose having the same name challenged me to understand the topic. Very early I understood I needed to be careful on how I treat people (all people). As I said I would be the worst hypocrite if I didn’t respect everyone. I have a lot to talk about and there are many things I will put in my channel that will challenge people.

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As long as 20% of all sexual assaults are male on male one would do well to be afraid of homosexuals. I would be more inclined to be afraid for them though.

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I second the plea regarding the moderating. Intelligent commenters would be less hesitant to risk being mistaken for agreeing with the nastier and stupider ones allowed (which is not the same as repartee). There has got to be an actual happy medium please.

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Robert’s efforts are sincere. All have sinned, some sins are more public than others, but are the secret sinners any better? Who’s going to cast the first stone? We all need to do better ourselves, and can do better, instead of making hateful comments about others. The no mercy, no forgiveness, no redemption attitude and glee at others human failings is not Christian. There’s hope for all of us. St Patrick started his confessio. “My name is Patrick… I am a sinner, a simple country person, and the least of all believers. I am looked down upon by many.” St. Patrick pray for us.

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Sorry, Bishop Pat, I know you spent two and a half hours chatting with him, but I don’t trust him. Don’t let him undermine the valuable work to cleanse the church. Beware of false prophets.

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Pat has proven before that he is easily taken in by people and is too trusting. Did he not end up in the High Court for these same reasons.

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11:41, you might be the false prophet?
“Good cop/bad cop is a psychological tactic used in negotiation and interrogation, in which a team of two people take opposing approaches interrogating their subject.”
+Pat and Robert take opposing approaches.

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12.99: Shame for what, for being Christ like? Get a grip. Try and gave an open mind that’s capable of embracing other people’s views, analysis and criticism. Robert spoke the “truth with charity” which is rare!!

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@ 12AM – False prophets? Only you are the false prophet. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror.

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Pat, I watched Robert’s video earlier. I believe Robert is a most sincere and genuine Catholic and a very good follower of Christ. He is deep in his desire for a renewed Church and priesthood. His calm, reasoned and gentle approach to issues and challenges are attractive qualities. I am not surprised that you seem unaware of Mother of the Home Religious Order or the Exodus Ministry because you have so convinced yourself that there’s nothing good in Roman Catholicism. That is a great pity. You have been told very often on this blog about wonderful initiatives by clergy, laity and religious, only for them to be sneered at and mocked. I suggest you watch the moving film about Sr. Claire Crockett, a Derry native who belonged to the Mother of the Home Order and who was killed in an earthquake in Ecuador some years ago. The film is “All or Nothing.”. Beautiful, moving and inspiring. Her grave in Derry is now a shrine…And they now have two houses in Ireland. There are many wonderful things happening in parishes and communities which are helping hundreds, as Robert shared with you. In our parish we have a men’s prayer group where incredible sharing occurs. I think Robert was inspired to seek a meeting with you. While undoubtedly you were strong in your beliefs and agenda, I pray that you may have absorbed Robert’s ideas and wishes. No one objects to criticism where wrong doing is concerned but the aftermath of nasty criticism and judgments has left many a priest very close to self harm and prolonged depression. There’s too much of a sharp, unrelenting, crucifying edge to your dissecting of priests whom you perceive as morally unacceptable and abject failures. You leave your chosen targets on the roadside. While you have done huge good you have also been very wrong on lots of occasions. I believe all pastors MUST keep CHRIST’S way to the forefront when dealing with broken humanity whoever that person may be. As a follower of Christ, there is no other way. I wish you well and I am glad that you and Robert had such a long and useful conversation. This conversation is very useful as a moment for reflection and prayer. I trust you won’t let the blog today be filled offensive and vulgar comments.

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Thank you Robert for your timely and necessary conversation with Pat. God works through other people for our own good. I believe that Robert is inspired by the Holy Spirit. Pat, many people wish you eell and admire your tenacity, courage and commitment but perhaps there’s a time now to pause, pray about and reflect on what other genuinely good CHRISTIANS are saying to you.

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But Patrick, the real questions for you are: Are you a truly good human being? Are you a truly good priest/bishop? Are you a truly good Christ-person? Are you a forgiving, merciful pastor for those who fail the test? Let you personally be challenged by the sermons you give to others!!!! Please.

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Yes, a lot of psychological mind games, and deflections in an attempt to emasculate this blog. Be careful of Nugent and his followers.

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The “objective” of this blog is to expose the decades of unchallenged & various means of corruption etc., in the Catholic Church that is already infamous for “censorship” hence the necessity to create this open forum in the first place by Bishop Pat. Now we have the curtain twitcher clergy & their fully paid up sheep from the “cover up brigade on here & from the “you must think how WE want you to think” brigade trying to censor “the truth” & to silence perfectly legitimate challenges to conduct that is entirely in contradiction of their advertised role in the RCC. Smacks of bullies begging for mercy – they always well able to dish it out but their own hides pretty thin when rightfully challenged. Keep up the good work, Pat. 👍.

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Yes. They want to be seen unconditionally as the good guys and left to sort their own problems but have lost the moral authority to do that after they helped priests abuse children.

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Thanks Pat.
On home of the Mother I recommend you watch this video. There is also a great video by Fr. Henry Kowalcz who died in 2020 ana Sr. Ruth from Dublin.
https://youtu.be/-0LKZm2BqZo
Pat it was a good chat and enjoyable evening meeting you. Someone commented on the video why there are not more people talking. I would be the biggest hypocrite saying I like traditional Latin mass, but can’t talk to someone.
Nobody knows the problems some people face, we have to be men who lead with compassion,understanding and support.
There has to be a paradigm shift.
I will say to Priests and Bishops living a double life LEAVE AND DO SOMETHING ELSE. We either walk this path with humility and with all our heart or we are walking towards hell. Let Christ lead us, let’s follow him.
To conclude, if we as Catholics can’t talk to those we fundamentally disagree with, then we never understood our faith. Please go and have a cup of tea with Pat and his partner.

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“I will say to Priests and Bishops living a double life LEAVE AND DO SOMETHING ELSE,” but doesn’t that require public exposure and a level of discomfort? Otherwise, the parasites will remain a “mortgage on the church”!

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Nugent @8.15am What a total arrogant statement telling people to leave/stay and all this pontificating about Hell. You seem too trite and wholesome to be true. All that glistens is not gold.

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This is an interesting development. I admire Roberts sincerity enthusiasm and commitment to the Catholic faith, and his openly giving witnesses.However, respectively, I wonder if Robert is a little naive. We have already discussed lack of authenticity, double lives and hypocrisy on this blog. I also wonder why Robert feels so strongly about Bishop Buckley getting to heaven as opposed to clerics in the Rcc? Bishop Buckley has integrity. What intrigues me is what Robert hinted at but left unsaid at the beginning of the video. I think, and hope, there might be possible further fruitful dialogue between Robert and Bishop Pat going forward.

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Fair play to +Pat and Robert for meeting each other for a conversation. I think most people will agree with the two errant groups identified. Many of us ask for compassion and understanding of Group 1. Both groups must catch themselves on but especially Group 2.

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seamus @ 8.52 I agree with your comment. There’s a car sticker which says “Nobody is perfect, I must be nobody”. Many fall and fail in life, not just religious but others who make their vows. Confession is there for a purpose, to confess sins/ wrongdoings, be heartily sorry for same and receive absolution for all the sins of life. We all make mistakes but God forgives for having fallen by the wayside. I would agree in what Robert says about compassion and understanding for all those who have fallen. “To err is human, to forgive, divine” – Alexander Pope.

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And what about those who cynically “fall” again and again and continue to abuse and use others?

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It’s good to see RN talking to Pat. Let begone be begones.
Have heard of exodus 90 ministry before as it was the rage at one time in USA. I never heard of the first one.

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Always sceptical of these new movements. What was that divine renovation thing that the priest in Essex who left to go with a woman all about?

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Anon 9.24am

What new movements are you referring to🤷‍♂️

Heard a story about a woman who studied ‘theology of the body’ (jpii idea I think but not sure). Anyway, she studied that brand of theology for some time. Then a year or two, she had left rcc.

Some new movements out there that we don’t know were on power trip or money or whatever. But its usually unchecked without any accountability.

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Hi, DG.
‘Who loves ya baby’
How about you and me create a new Ecclesial Movement of our own?
Lov you xxx

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@9.02am
Agree with you – go to Confession, confess your sins and all sins including past sins will be forgiven by God. Let bygones be bygones. Well said Deaf Guy.

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Both Pat and Rob want the active Gays out of the church… turn off the lights you lot there’s no on at home !

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I don’t want the guys out of the Church. I want sexually active priests to consider their double life.

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And Pat does that go for Gay lay men in the church too ? Should they too consider their life? I’m an organist I play and sometimes my husband attends! What about me? While I took no vows the church you are insisting on says I too should be celibate? Or is it a case that just those gay priests do it and I’m okay?.

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You are not a priest who took a public promise of celibacy.

And I ordain gay men.

This is an RCC problem.

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9:21 I am not Catholic but I am gay and I for one think you should be out of the church. You’re a patsy of an organization which oppresses and discriminates and you should be ashamed of yourself.
If you’re real, which I doubt.

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9.07
Pat, how do you expect Christian churches to change and accept male and female married priests and bishops with male or female spouses if when it’s already happening on the ground, you want to eradicate it?

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Nice try 10:18. Most churches accept married clergy. Only the RC church requires its clergy to go cottaging. In fairness I should say this requirement has changed and they have been forced to drop the previous one.

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So Pat you are the role model for them right ? They should set up an oratory in their parish/diocesan houses and run independently… maybe you could travel around and ordain some of them bishop! This could be a new thing !

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You don’t seem to have had Jesus as your role model much of late Pat. You now seem to talk like Robert Nugent all of a sudden and starting to preach down to us about role models etc. See how long you and your blog last for continuing with this agenda. Some of us get a bit weary being patronised and talked down to by the Church in general and I don’t need to hear the same old same old from you too. You can’t ride two horses Pat at the same time.

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You are leading a double life Pat? We’re you ever dispensed from the promises you made on your own ordination? You promised Celibacy and Obedience then too !

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10:17 What an idiotic comment. Pat has been excommunicated by accepting episcopal consecration without a Paypal mandate (legend). Do you seriously think he’s going to crawl back to the cult for a dispensation lol.

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Of course he’s an oblate of Silverstream, as a simple Google search reveals. That is, he’s literally an external member of the Priory. Why Robert won’t fess up to it here is another question entirely. Care to explain, Robert?

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The RC church as a whole bears many of the signs of a cult when assessed using the non Christian Isaac Bonewits’s tool.

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9.58: Pat, if course no priest should be living double, treble or duplicitous lives. The point is about how you treat those who are wrong, sinful and who both fall and fail. You treat them horribly harsh and in a most merciless way. Your approach needs challenging. No one is asking you to stop doing what you’re doing but you urgently need to see people through the lens of Christ’s heart. Immediately.

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Tell me how you would like me to act when someone used sexually by a priest comes to me – especially when that priest is a serial user.

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Pat at 10:10 they will never suggest any action because they want to carry on abusing.

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Nobody has mentioned abusing ONCE Pat only YOU. The argument was about adult double life relationships – remember???? You turned the subject to abuse to suit your own narrative and people are responding accordingly to that and not the subject in hand.

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Are you saying that it is impossible for a priest to sexually an adult?

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10:30 That is abuse. Abuse of themselves, the church, anyone who supports them. The fact you can’t see that is bloody scary.

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Pat @9.58am What Priests do or don’t do in life is a matter solely for their own conscience. There is only ONE judge and that aint you, Mr Nugent or anybody else. I get pretty concerned when individuals try getting on to the throne of judgement during life.
It often means they are trying to hide things in their own lives. Look at people who have fallen from grace who have done just that in previous years. There is often great planks in their own eyes to be removed. Personally I think you are creating a rod for your own back here Pat.

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And if an adult sexual victim of a priest comes to me, as they often do – should I just do NOTHING and leave it to the user priest’s conscience?

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Pat you have helped paedophiles in the past so cut the crap about your concern for victims. You are so predictable, as ever, twisting the argument around to focus on abuse victims when nobody mentioned abuse victims at all. You have lost the argument when you resort to that cheap trick of yours and you know it.

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Yes, I have ministered to many victims and a handful of abusers.

My work with abusers was focused on helping them not to reoffend – which indirectly is child protection.

There is NO ONE I would not minister to.

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I think the problem Pat is that you assume the ‘victim’ is always telling the truth.
You have accused people of sexual assault on this blog. I have yet to see any your accusations go to court or for the ‘victim’ to go to the psni/garda with credible evidence.
The fact they come to you on a blog is a red flag in and of itself. 🚩
They throw dirt then walk away when the damage is done. The priests/deacons/seminarians are rarely vindicated by you after the accusations die down.

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I worked with the seminarian victim of Father James Donaghy, PP of Bangor. After working with him and his family for 10 years he went to court and prison.
I have worked with the lady victim of Fr J J Murray for years. Last year he was convicted.
One of the paedophiles I tried to minister to reoffended while I was working with him. I reported him to the police and he went back to prison.

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I am a sexually active gay priest and I’ve had scores of sexual encounters and will continue to have. Its nobody’s business except mine and my sexual partners.

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Pat the bottom line here is that you have taken on a powerful body which will do anything to silence you to protect its power. If they weren’t really about power they wouldn’t try to silence your criticism. The fact that these attempts are dressed up in pious twaddle is to be expected and I’m surprised they would think you would be taken in by them.
For example the comment above at 10:07 telling you you need to see people through the lens of Christ’s heart is telling you several things:
1. They are right and Christ says so too.
2. You are wrong and Christ isn’t impressed.
3. You need to STFU and agree with them.
Like everything to do with church what is actually happening becomes clear when you pay attention to the power (or money when applicable) and ignore the cover story.

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9.58: Pat, if course no priest should be living double, treble or duplicitous lives. The point is about how you treat those who are wrong, sinful and who both fall and fail. You treat them horribly harsh and in a most merciless way. Your approach needs challenging. No one is asking you to stop doing what you’re doing but you urgently need to see people through the lens of Christ’s heart. Immediately.

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Exactly.
Pat be very careful dealing with these happy clappy deniers.
They’re twisting everything to suit themselves and their rotten club.
They’ll never ever change.
You know this. They’re engaged in every manner to try to bring you down.
Their foot soldiers are posting here daily. Why do you entertain them?
Keep exposing the lying deviants.
Never surrender. The rotten house of cards will implode eventually.

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10.19: A complete distortion of my comment. You, sir, should also try to have Christ’s heart, soul and mind. All critics needs challenging, including Pat. And your “whataboutery” in confusing arguments is risible and so passive aggressive. Get a grip on your distorted apoplectic angst.

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I knew you wouldn’t like me drawing attention to the power dynamic in your comment and, sure enough, would try to drag power back by making out I’m distorting. So predictable.

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I think Mr Nugent is being a bit naive about what some clergy are like and is tending to be too generous in his assumption that they are reasonable people. This is an aspect of the Christian religion which has directly led to the abuse crisis.
In reality you get a good number of people in ministry who are not good people, who will lie and refuse to go until pushed. As evidence the many paedophile clergy who only went when forced, who never came clean and even after conviction have other victims come forward.
That pattern of behaviour is not limited to paedophiles and these people are not prevented from entering ministry and certainly not contained once they are in it. Be very wary of clergy: as a profession its a magnet to fraudsters, spivs and psychopaths

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Yes, Pat that heart. The comment you replied to was attached to the wrong comment so came across wrong!

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The cathbots aren’t interested in the rights and wrongs and actually helping anyone, just in shutting up opposition. They’re about power, privilege and wealth.

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I’ve just watched Robert’s video St Pat Buckley.
So men are depressed about what has appeared on Pat’s blog – aren’t they just depressed because their hypocrisy has been caught out.
If a man were to kill himself as a result of what would appear on Pat’s blog – that would be very sad – but again – wouldn’t that be the sad result of a person living a deeply inauthentic and hypocritical lifestyle.
And what about all the young men and women that have had their live’s blighted and driven to suicide by these hypocrites.
The Church forever turns it’s back on these people – it still believes that it does not have to account to anyone for its actions – that’s why Pat’s blog is necessary. Perhaps if the Church took open, swift and decisive action against the hypocrites there would be no need for Pat’s blog.
And all these good priests you talk about ….. where are they? Who was it who said … “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
We are all sinners – but to allow men to persist in their hypocrisy- while we bury our heads in the sand and pretend we don’t see it is it the worse sin.

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Precisely. The calls for Pat to be silenced are from type 2 priests and those taken in by them.
I would venture to suggest that much of the reason people do risky things is they get off on the thrill of it, including the risk of discovery.

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10:38
It’s not just about hypocrisy being exposed. It’s the years and years of blogs and anonymous bullying that follow it on here. For example, how far away are we from the Maynooth summer of love in 2016? 6 years. Comments still appear on this blog, to this day, about many of the characters who have since left and moved on. How can these people move on if they are constantly being bullied, mocked, jeered, stalked etc? That’s what leads to depression and thoughts of suicide. The hypocrisy is rightfully called out but then the blog uses it as a stick to constantly beat people up with for years and years to come.

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I agree about repeat stalkery comments. However that isn’t what people are saying and if all the comments just said ‘Stop allowing comments about a person for years after an exposé I would applaud.

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Exactly, 11.03am. I”ve pleaded with Pat many times to stop publishing the continuous targetted harassment by the Killaloe stalker of former sems from that era who are now private, lay people.

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11:25
What about the ex-seminarians suffering? Has that been addressed? The Killaloe suffering can only be addressed if the person actually comes forward. Repeat stalker comments lead to nowhere and help no one.

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Because all of this talk of “the good priests” is hollow until the seminaries are sorted out. Maynooth and Oscott are still hotbeds of sexual dysfunction.

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Pat, surely if any Killaloe ex-sems want to come forward to you, that is a matter for them, rather than a stalker who names them and speaks about them in lascivious, creepy terms, day after day. I see that you even allowed through a comment at 3.01pm.
Also, in the same vein, why do you allow the distrurbing, targeted harassment of a priest by the Southwark stalker, why did you allow the targeted harassment by one individual of Fr Etienne in Blackpool, and why do you allow the targeted harassment of Fr Tom Montgomery. What purpose does any of that serve and how can you defend it? In all three cases there is no question of abuse, but simply that in each case a stalker has taken a dislike to a priest and uses the blog to hurt and insult them, almost constantly for days at a time.

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“how far away are we from the Maynooth summer of love in 2016? 6 years. Comments still appear on this blog, to this day, about many of the characters who have since left and moved on. How can these people move on if they are constantly being bullied, mocked, jeered, stalked etc?”

I think the mocking ought to be limited to genuine instigators and the authorities that have been protecting them. I think comments should be allowed in accordance with facts as they emerged once they were firm enough to blog upon (and not get it wrong).

Robert’s video sound quality is poor, but he seemed to not mention such authorities nor to distinguish degrees of blame, i.e there were predators bought into seminaries, where I have friends’ family members in training (I and they are in England).

An abbot who knew a lot about the international channels for bringing in predators was appointed to inspect the priory where a lot of money went missing which has not been retrieved, just replaced as Robert seems to know from his deacon friends.

6.03 Marcelo (below), the commenter isn’t small minded, they are frightened by the ambiguities. I never laughed at Laurel & Hardy, I thought it was frightening. That shows you what kind of heart I have.

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11.03am Agree – year after year some of the same subjects already thrashed out, appear on this blog. Once a subject has been discussed about an individual/individuals or otherwise well that should be the end of it. However, it is noticeable that some articles that have appeared four/six years ago e.g. as you have said the Maynooth summer of love, re-appear again to be thrashed. This is a repetition of the original subject already discussed.

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10.38: There’s a big difference between an abusing, paedophile priest and a priest who fails morally and spiritually because he cannot live the ideals of priesthood. The paedophile priest faces civil justice as has happened. No one condones or should ever appear to defend such people in our society. My role is not to lay them flat on the ground for a lynch mob. The CIVIL COURTS enact justice, however we may dislike it. Victims/survivors must be prioritised for help, support, compensation and rebuilding their lives. The priests whom we are referring to here in Roberts video and in his conversation with Pat are those who have failed morally in their vow of celibacy and who are living double lives. Yes, these men deserve the truth to be spoken but in the aftermath of public humiliation, is it right to hound after these people to the point of anyone considering self harm? MOST DEFINITELY NOT. Criticisms are vital: truth is a setting free and a step to new beginnings. The constant jeering, delighting in the downfall of others, the caricaturing, name calling and on-going debasing, personalised scorn vented against priest-fiailngs/failures is abhorrent. No one is trying to close Pat’s voice down. We are merely conversing about an approach that’s perhaps more conducive to renewal, a better, more transforming priesthood and a new way of treating anyone who fails ignominiously. I know of some who, because of the onslaught received in this blog came very close to taking their lives. Yes, sometimes we are the architects of our own falling, but that doesn’t confer an absolute right on anyone to push us even more into a dark abyss. Pat is right in confronting all abuse. Robert is right in challenging Pat’s approach. All of us who bear the name Christ must act like Christ. Read the gospels. Who was ever flattened to the point of total uselessness by any word Jesus spoke? Surely for all Christians, Christ’s way is very humane and noble, even if it’s very inconvenient and challengin!!

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Politicians are rightly ridiculed for double standards which makes people very angry. Was Matt Hancock was rightly booted and ridiculed out for double standards. Why should priests have it easier?

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Well the comments today would suggest you’re right on the money and the holy ones want you to keep schtum. 😂

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Thinking of distortion, where did the bizarre idea come from that leaving a sexual double life priest or priest abusing children to carry on, was in any way a Christian, moral, sensible and responsible thing to do? There’s a distortion.

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I think it is very simple. Those ordained consider themselves a superior form of life. I believe it is even enshrined in canon law. What is paramount is protecting the ‘careerists’, the ‘firm’s’ finances and bad publicity for the ‘firm.’ Am I right or am I right?

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@ 12:09

Thank you! I suggest this is the point for a paradigm shift as mentioned by Robert.

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Just a thought, you all don’t think people should be treated the way Pat Buckley treats people by publicly revealing what he thinks about what they’re doing.
If you really thought that shouldn’t you stop criticising Pat Buckley on here?

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11.08: Welcome to the open faults sessions. How many splinters have you removed from your eyes so far today? I’m stuck at 20. I need help. Are you free with a sharp scissors? A great blog today because Robert’s narratives are very challenging. Many are very put out by his interventions. Thanks to Pat and Robert. These are good exchanges. Saint Brigid whose Feast was yesterday would be very proud as she was a great mediator and reconciler among warring factions. Respectful dialogue always yields good fruits and prayer for one another.

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QUESTION FOR READERS
WHEN an adult victim of sexual abuse by a priest comes to me what I do. Serious question.
I’ve tried talking to the priest but they tell me to F… off and mind my own business.
I’ve tried writing to the bishops and they ignore me and let the priest carry on 🙃

Eamon Martin, for instance, is a serial ignorer and non replier.

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You make him answerable to the church, the people of God. If a man cheats on his wife, he needs to beg her forgiveness and show a change of heart. If a priest cheats on his bride, the church, he needs to ask forgiveness and convince us why he deserves another chance.

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11.31: Priests don’t trust you Pat. You use and abuse information about them to literally destroy them. You use the failings of priests to further your anti church agenda. That’s no big secret. You are now being called out for the merciless, unkind and unforgiving way you have smashed others into the ground. Sometimes, Pat, we are very blinded by our own ruthlessness, arrogance and pride. We need others to tell us “home truths”. I rely on others to guide me wisely and pastorally when necessary. I think Robert is well meaning, sincere and genuine. He doesn’t claim to be perfect. He listens carefully and is a seeker of truth, justice and compassion. I know of the good work he does in guiding people spiritually and psychologically. Let’s not make him out to be a crazy Christian. He is transparent about his views, work and christianity – with all his flaws. Pat, this conversation about attitudes, values and the appropriate responses is a necessary one. Apart from the same repeat spiteful few, the blog deserves to explore ways of dialogue, listening respectfully and being tolerant.

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Think you’re touching nerves Bishop Pat ! Some are clearly ruffled and the easiest way to deal is discredit/undermine/plain slag off the ruffler!

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11.31 am @ Pat

Evidence first Pat and if the Bishops etc wont do anything, then further up the line you go. Also, report your findings on the blog. Name and shame.

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Robert Nugent has been very unkind and uncharitable about Fr Benedict Andersen the Silverstream whistle blower.

Has Robert Nugent caused depression and suicidal ideation in Fr Benedict?

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11:42, in his Belfast video Robert claims that he doesn’t “call anyone out” like Pat. That’s a bold-faced lie, as he has viciously used his Twitter account (at the moment suspended?) as a tool of personal defamation against a victim of abuse. Shame on him for that, and for then daring to depict himself as a merciful man of God. Utter delusion and hypocrisy.

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I’m gutted for Dom Benedict, I said to Pat he is a good priest. But he involved me. And there are more people in the saga very very depressed. I can’t do much now but pray. I never asked to be involved at all. What I will say is the only way forward is dialogue. It’s sad when you see two good men at loggerheads. We have to talk in an environment of respect. I apologise of any hurt I cased in getting involved.

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12:05, Robert, have you ever attempted to apologise to the man against whom you’ve committed the mortal sin of detraction?

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12.05 RN your apology needs to NOT be a public deflection manoeuvre. 12.12 also refers. You haven’t explained:
– your obvious money fixation
– how Father Anderson “involved” you; and if it’s private stop saying this at all, and another thing to apologise to him privately for
– how you like a tactful responsible adult dealt with him
Your real message from your attitude is the opposite of the one you try to claim with your apparent words and pretend to ask us not to shoot you for.
Let me tell you another story while you think up your opinion of my last one (due to glitch haven’t seen your answer yet).
I bought a small carpet from a man (a charismatic) who deals in many things. He wanted me to buy large job lots of books and was disappointed when I laboriously chose a couple of titles. He next stopped his van alongside me in the street with his burly son glaring at me, and told me he would be asking me for money. I had a brainwave and wrote to several local padres, asking them to explain to him (should they cross his path) that I’m not his type and I’m not from where he’s from. I asked them to say this with his wife there because I’ve met her and I know full well she is embarrassed by his style. I’ve not seen him but I presume he’ll be more relaxed in future.
The deacons of Tulsa aren’t the only people in trouble with authorities and the public about their 501(c)3 and 990. The deacons are copying the protestants. Also, I was told of the miraculous acquiring of a property and even more miraculously the owners paid out to get it back.
Roman authorities pressure individuals to join monkhood or the priest order / seminary out of sentimental reasons and the blame should lie in the Roman authorities and we should be gentle with those they have duped. I was duped as a layman that has cost me years of wellbeing.
Thus some challenges. Are you going to speak up properly?
And I count over 700 days. Are you something to do with horse racing?
Also you didn’t say what town you were from or where you are now.

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I can confirm that nobody in the Catholic Church whatsoever had any involvement or gave me any direction to meet Pat Buckley. It was the opposite advice I was given. Don’t go. But why not go? Why won’t people have a cup of tea. Are there Catholics so insecure they can’t have a cup of tea with someone? So no, no Bishop at all had any involvement whatsoever. I don’t have much contact with Irish Bishops, I don’t have much time with family and work, this is all done in my spare time.

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I am sure Bishop Pat would take tea with all those exposed here. But first, they must acknowledge their sinfulness, leave or accept rehabilitation. I want gay men to be happy, and if they wish to suppress their true identity by remaining priests in the RCC and things go wrong, they need to accept that priesthood in the currently configured church is not for them. Double standards will constantly be mocked – just look at the politicians.

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I would and have done a lot more for them and with them than take tea.

The problem is that no one will address the issues.

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11:59
This blog exposes abuse corruption and CRIME in the Rcc in Ireland and Internationally. Unethical immoral and ILLEGAL behaviour.

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Homosexual genital acts by a priest with another is a crime in the RCC – see DELICTS AGAINST SPECIAL OBLIGATIONS (Cann. 1392 – 1396)

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1:22
If they don’t implement canon law they are hardly going to be too bothered by civil law, unless of course it costs, which it does, in more ways than one.

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1.22
It’s a breach of canon law, a canonical matter.
Not a criminal issue. At least not until a modern jurisdiction confers civil pr criminal legal status on CCC.

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It’s interesting in the light of the above comments that when a priest appeared on here for getting a criminal conviction for a criminal act, y’all were adamant it wasn’t a crime and he wasn’t a sex offender. This despite having been caught masturbating in public.
The most deranged thing about church people isn’t just their topsy turvy morals, it’s the way they refuse to see it when confronted with it.
The abuse crisis is, on the basis of the behaviour on this blog, far from over.

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I am not saying that homosexual activity is a criminal offence in England and Wales or Northern Ireland. However, it is a criminal act (delict) according to the ecclesiastical law of the RCC which priests are subject to.

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11:38, It’s more likely to be the case that Robert was attempting somehow to help Silverstream Priory and Kirby, of whom Robert is sycophant number one. Remember, Robert thinks Kirby “healed” his daughter; consequently, he cannot entertain even the possibility that Anderson is telling the truth. Fanatics will go to great lengths to protect their delusions. Robert seems to have no self-awareness here whatsoever.

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11:57, yes, it was an intelligence gathering mission, not a peace summit. I suspect Pat knows this and is playing along.

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Yeap I could be completely deluded. Of course I’m trying to help those I know. Who wouldn’t. But I went to talk to Pat about a specific blog post not related. Yes I absolutely believe my daughter was healed. But I also am completely open to being deluded. But I firmly believe there is more to this faith. Pat didn’t go easy during our talk, he challenged me with extremely serious issues. So let’s see.

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I hadn’t realised Robert was a stooge for Kitty Kirby. How could he be taken in by him? Mind you Rasputin duped the Tsar.

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11.31 – that’s what they do – they seem “addicted” to abusive behaviour & the “uniformed” ones have to be more “discreet” about it these days so a lot of them are voyeuristic & enjoy the scenery as they hide behind their lay security with deep pockets or their less affluent foot soldiers do it in return for various kinds perks.

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I’ve watched several of Nugent’s videos. My observation (sorry, Robert) is that we are dealing with a narcissist who harbors significant religious delusions. I should not have to spell out how dangerous a combination that can be. Can I ask, Bishop Pat, if you were accompanied in the house by a third party? If not, you might consider doing so for future meetings like this.

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12:27, you don’t have to be a psychologist to recognize that something isn’t right with someone, especially if you’ve had personal experience (as I’ve had) with actual narcissists. I grew up with a parent who was a raging narcissist; I don’t have to have the right letters after my name in order to see the same tendencies in others. I mean no offense to Mr. Nugent. However he puts his videos out for people to view and to evaluate. 🤷‍♂️

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12:43
While I accept you bono fides, I think care needs to be taken in attempting to label anyone, particularly when you have had personal experience growing up with narcissists. ( It is very easy to project unresolved issues on to others). Narcissists are self absorbed, lack empathy are extremely manipulative, have superficial relationships while having a sense of entitlement, among other traits. Keep up the good work, Robert.

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12:59, let’s leave, me, U2 frontman Bono out of this. “Bona fide” might be the phrase you’re looking for.

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I’m very insecure and narcissists don’t acknowledge they are narcissists. so yes I could be. I let you judge it. I’m dammed I suppose whatever I do. If hope I don’t lack empathy and consideration for other people. I’m open to any criticism. I use the video format to blog because I’m dyslexic and I find it practically impossible to write long essays or paragraphs. Yes you should absolutely question my motives, that is right and proper and it’s the advice I give my kids.

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I don’t think so. But I like to hope people do until I find out different.

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12.19: Utterly OTT response. There is a sinister tone to your comnent suggesting that Robert is not ok. You are bizarre. Pat can handle his encounters well. Robert has no hidden agenda, you fool.

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No, he told me not to contact him
Unless it was via his canon lawyer. I tried to reach out last year and I probably ended up causing more harm. As I said it pains me to see two men I admire at loggerheads. But how Dom Mark has been painted by some people is also wrong. I haven’t been asked to anything, I just visited to get mass. Dom Benedict and Dom Mark both treated me very well and the Monks have been good men trying to live a life of community and prayer. Many many people have found a lot of help in Silverstream, they were always very welcoming. I’m sorry for getting involved, but I didn’t ask to be involved, I didn’t go looking for this. It came to me. Please talk it out. I apologise for any harm I didn’t,

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Is it true that Dom Kirby wanted to remove you as an oblate of Silverstream. How will you visit to Bishop Buckley go down in Silverstream?

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12:47, You didn’t go looking for it, it came to you … but then you just had to tweet about it. This is what I mean, folks.

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Robert, the person at 12.51 and the one at 1.25 have said right.
Robert, please will you react to this story of mine. When protestants prayed for my healing, immediately I came across the writings about specific learning differences (SpLD) who lives with her own SpLds. Inspired by these I immediately got in with people with SpLDs who were getting coaching and self-coaching, taking ownership. That was over 20 years ago.
Now old, I have overcome shame enough that I am self homeschooling in history, sciences etc. Our own sanity is the one, most dearest thing Jesus wants us to take care of. “Be of sound mind” says the Apostle.
You sound like a trail of accusations has dogged you, that you are “narcissistic”, “passive agressive”, “naive” and so on. You need to structure your talks and make your remit clear, and stop trying to copy the patter of nuns.
Your money worries are odd given that the Vatican city has suddenly found the money that went missing around 60 Sloane Avenue, and that the man in the lift that mismanaged properties wasn’t prosecuted (that we heard).

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Yes. It’s doesn’t cover the costs of running. It. So approx 40% is covered. I haven’t asked for money to start this. But I did have a conversation with Matthew Pinto from ascension presents on this exact point. Ideally I would prefer to dedicate my time full time to something I love in the church.

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That explains a lot. Thanks for that. The meeting with Pat is a cynical ploy for clicks, leading to a full time job as a YouTube grifter. 👍

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12:47, it’s far more than “two men at loggerheads”. It’s a story of homosexual predation by a superior being called out, covered up, and the subsequent attempted destruction of the priesthood of the victim and whistleblower. Wake up, Mr. Nugent.

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Pat, I appreciate your making the point about wanting to take people on trust until proved otherwise. However I don’t think that always comes across on the blog, even though long term readers will recall you making the point a number of times. You could possibly make that point clearer by publishing a separate page where you say that – almost a comments policy thing.
Personally I disagree with that approach in moderating a public space where other people can be hurt, etc – if it’s just you who stands to be hurt it’s different.
I think many many of the comments you allow through come across as taking the piss or people settling scores and I don’t think you appreciate how that detracts from the very valuable work you do in exposing corruption when the ‘proper channels’ will certainly not work.

Do you really want to risk your many enemies using your good nature to detract from and undo your work?

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I do moderate. You would be surprised at the stuff that comes in. Already today I have 14 + comments.

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Oh I m not saying you don’t – sorry, you’ve missed my point which is that the comments you let through do not reflect your views and are obviously aimed at destroying your work. I shudder to think what you don’t allow through…

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Please will you especially add your comment TO more of the comments as we can’t read your mind. Of course your “talking point” mode has its uses in extended journalism like this. And in some cases like 1.57 please describe the kind of comment so that the writer knows they are being watched.
Polyester wars have now become mysterious. As for the priest recently at Tooting he appears to have a commonplace speech defect in which the best remedy is if we stay off his back until justified, and a nicety in vestments that he learned from the Roman authorities themselves, whom you aren’t advising lay people to detach from. 99.9999 % of lay people don’t notice vestments at all. Please don’t make your jesting look cynical if it isn’t.
Making all your public (us) cancel each other out is a very Roman dialectic.

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Patsy you should stop being so defensive. It’s a trait you have when faced with genuine oberservations/criticisms. You can’t be right 100% all of the time like many of us.

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1.57: But sadly you deliberately allow vicious, vulgar and nasty comments through. You need to be more discerning as some, in fact many, are disgusting. Pat, you are challenged legitimately about your supposed Christian principles. Stop being defensive. Robert is goid for your spiritual redemption….

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To the people ranting at Pat Buckley and/or Robert Nugent: how about you have a rant at the bishops and make them sort the cess pit out!

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The archbishops’ hearts are in peril because they have attached themselves to the Vatican city. Pope Leo (the Workers’ Pope, the Holy Spirit Pope and the St Michael Pope) elevated subsidiarity which the Vatican city has abolished, with particularly brutal effect on one of the continents already.

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I can’t understand why this hasn’t been dealt with 20 years ago. The abuse I’m getting today for talking to Pat about legitimate problems won’t solve those problems. We need to talk. The 666 days of Covid restrictions has been an apocalypse (unveiling) of many problems for that have been fermenting for years. Please don’t shoot the messenger (Pat or me) for trying to have a discussion. This is only getting started. I’m naive, grafter, narcissistic, manipulative, etc… (Pat it’s fine to let them comment) but at the end of the day either I step forward to ask questions or I regret being quiet. Either my faith means something or it means nothing. Pat is holding a mirror up to the Bishops and Priests in Ireland, but many refuse to examine themselves or even talk to Pat.

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You were asked above several questions which you’ve refused to answer, such as: Will you apologise to the Silverstream whistleblower via his canon lawyer? What you’ve done to him publicly on Twitter is at worst calumny and at best detraction. The fact that you’ve deleted the tweets suggests to many that you are fully aware of what you’ve done.

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oh you were a fool to talk to Pat trying to get him to leave silverstream alone! Your agenda mr nugent is very obvious.

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Was that 90 dollars a year each person or for five persons? I couldn’t get their FAQ page to show. In any case we should use second hand Offices. Priests told me laity aren’t allowed the office.

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We don’t need yet more (well meaning) gimmicks and side tangents like Exodus 90 in my opinion, there’s plenty of tried and trusted options in the ordinary Church already if people would bother to revive them and practice them.

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Bishop Pat, Robert seems to indicate here that you did not discuss Kirby and Silverstream, and you don’t mention that in your post. I find that hard to believe. Did you discuss those matters?

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We did discuss it briefly. He said he was biased on Dom Kirby’s side and I told him I was firmly with the whistleblower.

I have offered to go to Silverstream to talk.

Robert is going to suss that put.

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Silverstream won’t let you within a 15 km radius, and neither will Deenihan. And I suspect now they won’t be in much contact with Mr Nugent going forward, either.

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That may be. I think that Robert and I might have a lot of contact.

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This is a healthy robust man-up discussion. Fair play to Pat and Robert. We don’t all have to agree on everything, but perhaps some common Christian ground can be found that benefits us all. No one is asking Pat to stop exposing wrongdoing and mismanagement, it’s badly needed. No one is asking Robert to stop publicising liturgical abuses and mismanagement, that’ also badly needed, but there’s also plenty of unfounded bitchy silly hateful personal comments from others on this blog that do not resolve anything, or do any good for anyone, including the poster themselves.

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One of the remarkable things today is the silence from the commenters who blame everything on Vatican 2. Anyone would think they don’t really think Vatican 2 is at fault, only say it to try to spark a row, and don’t feel the need to say it today because the discussion is vituperative enough already.

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Pat it’s a troll comment and exactly the kind of comment intended to make this blog and you look stupid and discredit you. Why would you publish such an obviously mischievous comment?

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I don’t know Robert and there’s no particular reason to believe that he is a gay man in the closet. However, the fact of one being outwardly “happily married with children” is no guarantee of sexual orientation, as any number of coming out stories illustrate.

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I think it would be great if we could deport Pat and Bob back to their own countries where they could set up a jolly double blog like Ant and Dec

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Why is this old chestnut constantly rolled out by some gay men including some gay priests commenting on this blog.
Believe it or not, some men, in fact a substantial majority of men, enjoy psychological emotional and physical life long intimacy with a woman. Sorry to burst your bubble lads.

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I am sure that Robert enjoyed meeting Pat, as I did when I met Pat a few years ago. I was struck then by his warmth, wit and intelligence, which the Church should have used. Imagine Pat’s energy, skill at writing, persistence and seeking after truth being put at the service of the Church. He would have made a brilliant Director of Safeguarding/Victims Commissioner for the Church.
As for the blog, I’ve read it from the start, in its two incarnations. Initially, when it wasn’t well known, there would be days when there were no comments at all, and then it had a time when there was lots of knockabout good humour, with loads of witty posts.
Then a certain person came along and brought huge amounts of invective and changed the tone, but Pat refused for years to ban him.
The blog has had many achievements and has done great work, for example in cleaning up Maynooth and Roscrea, and it is a unique forum.
What lets it down are the comments, the repeated, stalkerish comments years after events have happened, and relentless pile-ons, kicking people when they are down and their reputation destroyed (often by exposure of their bad behaviour).

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3.40: Thank you for your appropriate comment especially towards the end. You are so right. Long after events have happened Pat allowed score settlers to dominate with poisonous invective, shame naming chosen individuals which must have psychologically affected these people and their families. What is most disturbing and totally immoral and unethical is the manner in which this blog spat on the dead the day after their death. The vilification was scary. Families are still in great pain, hurt and grief. Other individuals are in counselling. We are not asking for censure but for a more intelligent, discerning and humane way to analyse and criticise. The “pile ons” are morally reprehensible. Perhaps the time has come when prayerful reflection is required by all.

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@3.40pm The big difference in your meeting with Pat and Robert Nugent’s meeting is that Robert names himself.

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Pat, according to the Catechisms, that you went on about the other day, you are living in mortal sin and are going to hell anyway. So anything that you speak is all hypocritical and has no merit or value. Not my opinion, just that of the book and values you were spouting on about the other day son.

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I mentioned the Catechism. I do not believe at all in the RCCs thinking and teaching on sexuality.

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4.08: An a la carte Catholic then…the ones you condemn in your blog! Pat = hypocrisy.

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Unfortunately you do not get to pick and choose what is right, and it is not you who decides what catechisms suit your cause and which don’t. You are the face of hypocrisy. Like most ‘Christian’s’, you are mostly Christian’s from the waist up. And even then, the waist up ones are debatable.

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Pat I implore you – please talk to Paul Creaner about the comments here. He is someone you know and trust who has commented here that the blog can be a toxic place. I am sure he has a perspective on the comments here.
I would hate to think of your valuable work being undone by trolls discrediting you and I can’t believe that what happens on this blog sometimes is actually the way you want things to be.

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Pat, I can no longer trust you after this meeting with Robert Nugent. I say this as since this revelation I simply don’t know who you are and what you represent anymore. You are neither one thing or the other to me so let’s put it that way. Personally I feel it was a wrong move on your part and an error of jugement. I am sorry I have come to this decisuon. You no longer enjoy any of my support.

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I’m sorry to hear that.
Why should I have refused to meet a fellow Christian?

I met Ian Paisley a few times.

Why have you such a big problem with RN

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4.32: If you were a full true supporter or follower of Pat, did you ever attend mass in the Oratory? Dud you ever financially support him? Or have you always been anonymous? Probably. Your decision reveals your small mindedness and bias, not Pat’s decision to meet with Robert. I do believe that, providentially, God is using Robert for much good. Pat is more open to others than perhaps we believed. This is a positive move.

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4.10: Is Paul Creaner a member of the Oratory? Pat, do you discuss any issues, procedures, direction and content of your blog before publishing anything? Do you, as such, have a trusted confidante?

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The Oratory is a community. The Blog is purely personal. The views on the Blog are 100 % mine alone.

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Marcelo @6.03pm. You are just as anonymous with a name like that. You have only appeared on this blog under that false name for all but 2 minutes. That’s opposed to years in relation to my contribution to the blog. You see us old timers know when a whipper snapper like you shows up shouting the odds. Sadly many of the old faithful followers have abandoned the blog for various reasons. Let me know when you where last up at the Oratory yourself. You don’t seem to grasp that many on this blog don’t necessarily go all the way over to Larne – do you?

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Many of the old contributors to the comments left after Pat allowed the blog to be taken over for years by an extremely aggressive and insulting poster.

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In the past the Blog had c 3000 visits a day.

In recent times it has 6000 to 11000 visits a day.

Yesterday the Blog had 10335 visits.

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4.31: Pat, that’s not what I asked you. Is Paul a member? Or how many are there in this “community”? Do theybapprovevif your viciousness and nastyism? Why thecreluctabce to proclaim the membership of “vowed” members? Maybe you should dialogue with your “community” a luttle more before publishing anything. I believe God is at wirk through you but also through those who are now challenging you behaviour!!! You should listeñ.

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Paul is a treasured priest of The Oratory and has brought so much to us since he was ordained 4 years ago.

When I was in the RCC I never imposed my personal disputes on my parishioners.

Some members of my congregation read the blog and others don’t.

They are two separate entities.

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When are the Bishops in the Rcc going to listen and take appropriate action with integrity?

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Bishop Pat, given all the gay priests who want to live with gay partners and/or have an actively gay lifestyle, and all the heterosexual priests that want to have an actively heterosexual lifestyle, and all the women that want to be ordained, is the time not right for anyone who feels that way to leave the clutches of the RCC and come together in an Independent Catholic Church that has doctrines that cater for that desire, like other Churches do? Perhaps you’re the Bishop for that job, and Robert would at least then be able to get his head around the fact a new denomination for a lot of people is now needed. You’d be surprised who’d jump ship to it, and back it once it was up and running, it’s bound to be attractive to Mary McAleese etc. as well. Or . . if that’s not a runner, perhaps some type of reverse Anglican Ordinate could be explored for those who want to flee the RCC’s restrictions? – What do you think, or, do you think some other model could be a runner? The current situation can’t continue, and the RCC is not going to radically change from what it is now.

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Well, Pat, among your many admirable characteristics is that you man up, don’t go behind the hand and are courageous and consistent in explaining your position on things. At least people know what you think. You are to be commended for your willingness to post some very hostile comments about you, which cannot be easy for you to read. You practice the openness you advocate. I cannot think of any other publication or blog that allows its author to be so criticised.

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Pat, the encounter between Robert and yourself is very good, very positive.
The comments section of your blog, it has to be said, is indeed extremely toxic. It is appalling in fact. And that is your sole responsibility because you publish the comments.
You allow any Tom, Dick and Fr Harry to say what ever they like, about whomsoever they choose to target. You allow the most obnoxious, untrue and vile things to be said about named and random individuals. This is sinful and it is evil. You are permitting it. You are allowing people to be exposed to this malice.
While priests do have a public persona, that does not give faceless and malicious cowards the right to make things up about them and for you to publish their scurrilous comments.
How you can justify publishing these anonymous comments is beyond me. Have you any regard for the 10 Commandments even? You call yourself a “Christian” and, even more, a pastor and a bishop and you allow this evil behaviour? This is no way to reform the Church.
It is clear from the recent Fr Martin McAlinden RIP blog that you listened to an anonymous “priest” making mischief and him. Should you not require your “sources” to identify themselves to you in a manner that is verifiable and to have evidence of what they are alleging?
A donation to the Northern Ireland Hospice is well and good but it doesn’t repair the hurt to Fr Martin’s family and friends.
What your are permitting is evil – pure and simple. You should not allow names to be bandied about on your blog.
And those excuses for “priests” and whoever else is engaging in this wicked activity, there is no anonymity with God.
The Lord sees you tapping on your smart phones/tablets/computer keyboards, spewing out your malicious slurs and lies.
God notes the glee on your faces when you post the anonymous comments. One day, you will all answer for every wicked word.

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Ah the crater, even you know playing the victim doesn’t work, next he will be on an animal cruelty shite…..

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Let’s see what a great Catholic man RN is; how many children do you have in how many years marriage Robert?

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6.30: How really unintelligent you are!! What a most trivial, stupid, irrelevant and ignorant a question? It has nothing to do with the issues being discussed and is a very private matter, if Robert chooses to see it that way. Sir – you are trying to devalue Ribert on what basis? Tell us – intelligently.

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I note Robert Nugent repeatedly asserts that God will work with our weaknesses but not with our hypocrisy, and this specifically regarding priests not living their vows. Would he not accept that hypocrisy is also a weakness that God’s grace can work with this weakness too if the errant priest is open to it? Im not advocating for duplicitous priest who are happy to flout their commitments to God and the Church, but I detect a possible limiting of the efficacy of God’s grace in what Robert seems to rather judgementally assert. It come across as a bit of an obsessive mantra. I agree with a need for a clergy with personal integrity and pray for this to come to pass.

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For part 2, Pat why don’t you meet Tina Whelan, and even better set up a meeting with Tina and Drake?

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6.53: I think Robert is living the gospel virtue of approaching people with mercy and understanding. If we constantly condemn others for their sins and failures we do not offer them the hope of new life. God’s graces build in human nature. Therefore we help the individual to own his/her truth and wrong doing but we also gave a moral duty to help that person find the way to renewal. Jesus did that frequently in his life. It is a complete distortion to suggest that by being merciful, humane and understanding is to somehow condone wrongdoing, sin and egregious crimes. It’s not. If I was to refuse “God’s grace” to those who seek it and who need it, I would be the supreme hypocrite. Civil law must exact justice where serious abuse has occured. No one persin can be the soke determinant of another’s doiritual reality. Truth in Charity is a useful epiteph for Christians. Look to the gospels: Jesus never write anynoerson off as useless on the basis of 1/2/3 mistakes. He spoke the truth with firmness but with charity and his approach was always the catalyst for true renewal in people’s heart. I don’t think Robert is confused. I think gecwiuld deeply challenge anyone whom he thought was in the wrong spiritual pathway, cleric or non cleric. I think he has guven this blig a new injection of life about how, as Christians and good human beings, we should treat one another in the ordinary day to day sins and failings of our lives.

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Jesus told Herod he was a fox!

Jesus told the Pharisees that they were whitened sepulchres.

Jesus took a whip into the temple.

Jesus challenged hypocrites and those Iiving double lives and using double standards.

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7.47: Pat, we know all this and you’ve used these incidents very defensively against any criticism of you. No one, Robert or myself or any right minded person approves of or could ever countenance the toleration of corruption, wrong doing or criminal activity, including that of sexual abuse. We all condemn this behaviour as did Jesus. You miss the point. Leaving aside the egregious destructive behaviour of clerics, which deserve condemnation, the normal human failings and sins of our lives are the DNA of many people. Jesus did not treat such people in a harsh, cruel, humiliating way. He helped people in sin and failure to rediscover their inate goodness, light and humanity. He gave hope to all. He didn’t chase after people weeks on end nor did he continue to remind people of their sinfulness. Pat, I agree with your condemnation of all abuse, corruption and hypocrisy of and by Church personnel. We know we are sinful in many ways but we seek redemption towards greater good each day. What Robert and many of us find objectionable is the gleeful onslaught of chosen clerics, the continued public laceration of them for fun and subjecting them to vulgar abuse and hostility. Many commenters have been allowed to incite hatred against priests including one person who recently said he would go and p**s on a certain clerics grave. The vile innuendo recently against a priest who died of cancer has caused horrendous hurt to his family. I believe Pat that you should reassess your approach. Yes, those references from scripture could easily apply to any of us in ministry in the name of Jesus. Who of us hasn’t
a dark side of some sort or a sin we’re not ashamed of? Those who choose to follow Christ fail often. If I feel I am better than the “others” I am very blind indeed. Thank God that in times of worry, doutrs, failures and sin I found kind, caring and Christ like people.

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While truth in Charity is a useful epiteph for Christians, it seems the preserve of priests. What about those whose lives have been ruined by clergy; those shunned by church authorities; those who experience marginalization thanks to Holy Mother Church ?
What’s the child millstone imperative about; or the parable of the good Samaritan; or white washed selpuchres ; or those who tie heavy burdens on men’s shoulders but don’t life a finger? To him given much much will be expected. Luke 12:48.

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9.57: Read my comment correctly and you’ll realise I condemn all evil and abusive behaviour. I never excuse abuse.

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10:22 Read my comment correctly and you will realise the Hierarchy seem to put the interests of the clerical caste and the institutional church before the Gospel.

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7.38: Apart from your ignorant dismissal of good comments in your usual fatuous sound byte tirade, do you actually have anything worthwhile to say? You are the coward as you print as anonymous. At least Robert has the COURAGEV to make himself known and put himself in front of ignoramuses like you. There is no such expression as “the both of you”!! Very poor grammar. “Both of you” is the correct grammar. “Send in the clowns…”

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@7.51pm what a laugh. You call someone a coward for posting as anonymous despite you yourself posting as anonymous. You couldn’t make it up.

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8.14: But sir, I always post as anonymous. I didn’t make the accusation of coward against Robert. An “anonymous” poster did. I merely drew it to his attention and the using it him referring to Robert as a coward. Somehow, your ability to get the nuance of comments is non existent. Robert is the one with courage. He isn’t a coward. You couldn’t make your nonsense up either!!😁😁😁😁😁

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You can’t say COURAGE (actually you can’t spell it! 🤣) that’s the gay conversion movement being advocated as the way forward by the complex Bishop Keenan aka Betty Turpin! If legislation goes through it’ll be illegal – so no more references!

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On another note….

Remember going into the apple Yard, in the bishops grounds…. We hopped a six foot wall and panicked when leaving, dropping all the apples, scattering ….

Come Sunday mass at 12.30, he said it… That he seen us robbing the apples and that he doesn’t mind, we lost our lives in shock at Sunday mass, we were only babies…

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I would be horrified to feature on the blog, Bp Pat, but then again, I am not prancing around draped in lace and, at the same time, using men as playthings.

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You know that the men who appeared on the blog – you know the list – do not use traditional vestments, so why repeat this canard?

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Folks don’t be expecting any future blogs about Silverstream, the Bishop of Tulsa etc after Pat’s bromance with Robert Nugent.

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I have every intention of continuing to of about Silverstream.

At least until they give Fr Benedict Andersen justice and truth.

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Ok, can we now return to Trolley Dollie Wilson in his ordination year, JP ‘Power Bottom’ Lytle, The former grand Dames of Glasto?

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It appears, Pat, that Robert’s conversation with you was a waste of time if you are still allowing comments such as the one at 9.22pm.
As for you, 9.22pm, why did you write that?

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Because of the concerted efforts to silence the blog and its exposure of errant and hypocritical priests, it won’t work – Bishop Pat is no fool.

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I cannot wait for the next contribution from Robert Nugent or the next meeting between
+ Pat and Robert.

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I think Robert Nugent is a kindly and sincere man, perhaps over optimistic. I wish I had his optimism. Someone’s niceness can be passive aggressive thing where an insincere and saccharine manner is used to shame someone for a sincerely held belief, but I think Robert is sincere. His YouTube vids aren’t insincere and he avoids those downloaded easy rad-trad or Spirit of V2 positions, although he is undoubtedly operating from a more traditional direction. One day there could be a live thread with +Pat and all of us shouting out our position and shouting down others, or debating politely or something in between.

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10.59: A great blog today. Quite a surprise. Thanks to Robert for his video whuch generated some necessary conversations and dialogue. Been the best for a long time. It proves that there can be a very different way of responding to critical issues pertaining to all of us. God bless Robert and Pat. Over 300 comments. Fantastic

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Today has been a fascinating day. I admire Robert for his meeting with Pat and admire Pat’s agreeing to meet with him. The video by Robert evoked some enlightening comments. Apart from some silly, superfluous notes from the nastyites, commenters have asked serious questions about how we treat those who fail and from whom we expect much, priests in particular. There can be no equivocation about our response to abuse, hypocrisy or blatant hypocrisy. That doesn’t mean that we have an unquestioned right to say what we like about offenders or against those we target. There is a lot of harsh mercilessness against clergy on this blog. I think much criticism is legitimate but some is very wrong. Robert has given a good impetus today for much personal reflection about how we treat those who fail. What should be our attitude as Christians? A good, thought provoking blog today.

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So the gist of Nugent and his clerical followers today is that serious paedophile priests ok to name – but double standard sexually active priests with adults deserve privacy and mercy and must not be mocked for their hypocrisy?

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11.18: What a load of s***e. You haven’t any ability to interpret the meaning of Christianity which is at the core of the blog today. You are in caca mode.

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And Leopold is the great arbitrator of what constitutes a good Christian? I.e. one who pays prays, obeys and never ever criticises Holy Mother Church and its duplicitous priests.

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