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WHY THE FURORE ABOUT ROBERT NUGENT AND I MEETING?

Yesterday’s blog went somewhat ballistic over my meeting with Robert Nugent.

For me such a meeting is commonplace and ordinary.

Over the last decades I have had thousands of such meetings.

I met Ian Paisley on a umber of occasions and went to a service in his Larne church.

I attended one of Archbishop Levferve’s Masses in 1984 and met him afterwards in the sacristy.

I visited a very Protestant school in a Loyalist area of Belfast and had to go in and out in an armoured police vehicle to get past the protesters.

I’ve been in a Loyalist pub on Belfast’s Shankhill Road.

During my first months in Larne I visited over 20 Protestant churches on Sunday evenings.

I’ve had a meeting with a group of retired “B Specials” from the bad RUC days.

I’ve has meetings with Republican and Loyalist paramilitaries.

I have visited murderers, rapists, arsonists, paedophiles etc in several prisons.

I’ve ministered to women prostitutes in Dublin and Belfast.

I’ve been to transvestite club meetings for discussions.

I’ve accompanied transexual people to pre op hospital appointments.

CAN I ASK A FEW QUESTIONS

If John 11 met with his assain why can’t Robert and I meet?

If Martin McGuinness met the Queen why can’t I meet Robert Nugent?

Can anyone out there give me a rational, logical and understandable reason why two Irish men who both are attempting to follow Jesus Christ cannot have a simple meeting over a cup of tea to discuss matters they both care about – without causing such a blog furore?

ROBERT NUGENT’S REFLECTION ON YESTERDAY

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184 replies on “WHY THE FURORE ABOUT ROBERT NUGENT AND I MEETING?”

Because there are a lot of Irish men who are not following Jesus Christ and you and Mr Nugent represent what they most fear: exposure and honesty.

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Well said. The press only pick up on paedophile priests these days. Without your blog, there would be no exposure and no healing for the church.

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It was one of the best days on the blog ever. I wish the RC bishops would meet you, Pat. Shunning isn’t working.

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They are afraid to meet me but they dress their fear up in canonical language.

I would all 20+ of them on my own.

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In my comment about the bishops needing to meet you, Pat, I had intended to say that they are afraid of you and the questions you would ask, but I believe that you’d be brave enough to address all of them at one of their meetings, even with them all having a go.

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Pat, I for one had no aversion to your meeting with Robert. I am delighted you met and the discussion all day was interesting. In fact it was very worthwhile. It elicited some good and new dialogue. The only people I suspect who didn’t approve are those who have no openness to any fresh and necessary conversation about how we deal with those who fail to live their commitments and who are living double lives. The detractors are the people who frequent your blog and use it to spill out their anti clerical venom. That’s fine. Pat, I believe most reasonably decent, good people, priests included, have no problem in your encounter with each other. The video by Robert evoked some necessary and amazing conversations which we haven’t had on your blog. Those who object are, in the main, non clerics, your usual contributors who now think Robert has cast a spell over you and that you’ll forbid them a platform. Be assured Pat, most priests who follow your blog will have welcomed today’s topic. We see a different side to you and maybe something new may arise. You have mostly a non clerical following, I believe. When we show some kindness and humanity in our understanding of others, we will receive back the same. I urge that you don’t attribute any motive to people’s “shock” other than they are fearful you’ll return back to “Rome” via Robert!! I jest but thanks for a fine blog re: Robert and yourself.

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12.10 Excellent comment.
Pat I have to say I feel sorry today for Robert after watching his video. What harm was it for both of you to get together for a chat over a cuppa. You hit the nail on the head when you said the blog went ballistic because you met him. it looks like there are some frustrated people on this blog that are jealous of said Meeting. It is good to have views and opinions from an outsider, it makes a blog interesting. Robert got a raw deal by several on yesterday’s blog, How dare anybody call a person a narcissist, adulterer, being homophobic, leading a double life and all the other names spouted towards him. Rudeness, sarcasm and hypocrisy are very much an everyday occurrence unfortunately, Pat their comments should not have made it on to the blog but Robert, being a good practicing catholic, told you it was ok to let them blog. Little did he think it would end up with him being gaslighted.. Pat. you need to keep a closer watch on comments being made.
I am glad that you had the meeting with Robert, it could be the start of something great. Hallelujah.

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This takes me to the fare. Double life priests ‘hurt’? Do your jobs with all your perks. You need to grow up!

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I could guess these priests and why they are annoyed at being called out. They’re always being pulled out and looked after …

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+Pat. I’m not sure I saw a “furore” yesterday about your meeting with Robert Nugent. Yes, I saw some negative commentary about him, but in over 300 posts I saw few expressing “fury” about your meeting. What do you mean? Are you inventing this? Give us some examples.

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Watch Roberts video above and see what happened him yesterday.

He has lost friends over the meeting.

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Nobody is forced to read this blog.

Yesterday’s blog had 9,500 visitors from 30+ countries.

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If the meeting cost Robert to loose friends then they weren’t his friends in the first place.

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@11:00 Jack if someone drops someone in their difficulties (a personal experience), his or her supposed friendship is not even a pose or posture, just a shoddy fraud.

Robert made very good points. Treating +Pat with respect or at least not ignoring him is a mortal offence to more than few with undeserved power in the Church hierarchy.

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Pat please share your efforts to advocate for an Maynooth inquiry and redress scheme to meet the needs of the survivors.

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1.40
Stalker number 1 who appears to concern himself about people, while it’s himself he’s indulging.

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1.40am (!) is grotesquely insensitive to use the language of “survivors” and “redress schemes” (these are terms associated with CSA) in relation to adult sems in Maynooth. The same stalker comments every day but no concrete issues or alleged abuse are ever given, just fantasies and lies and creepy targeted harassment of ex-sems now living the life outside the seminary.

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Your having the same problem as joe Rogan right now, your only allowed to speak to people with the same opinion as you 😊 keep doing what your doing Pat ✊🏻

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Agreed. But it’s all they are wounder healer stuff – and what would Christ have done. Not too dissimilar to Johnson playing the victim in the whole party-gate episode.

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Bishop Pat, by all means, have a cup of tea, but please don’t forget also that Mr Nugent spreads anti-vaxx fantasies like pestilence from his social media. His Twitter account is shut down now, and has been several times in recent months, presumably for spreading complete pseudo-scientific fantasy. This nonsense has done real harm to real people, far more harm than he can allege this blog has ever done to a few misbehaving clerics.

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I never discussed the vaccine with him.

A Protestant acquaintance in Larne preached anti vax. He is now on a ventilator in Antrim Area Hospital:-(

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I was signed up for the vaccine, but my wife who is older and got vaccinated first and had a very bad reaction. So I simply didn’t get vaccinated, not anti vaccine, not comfortable with the current new vaccine. Another friend had blood clots in his legs.

So not anti vaccine, my appointment below. I just didn’t take it in the end.

COVID-19 vaccine Dose 1 appointment: Robert, age 48 years
– Appointment Number: 1373554

– When: Saturday, 12 June 9:35 AM
– Where: Breaffy House Resort Vaccination Centre (CVC),
Breaffy House Resort,
Castlebar,
F23 R253

– Vaccine: Pfizer-BioNtech
– Read the patient information leaflet: http://hse.ie/pfizil

Bring your phone, photo ID and a face covering. If you do not bring photo ID, you cannot enter the vaccination centre.
Be on time but do not arrive more than 5 minutes before your appointment.
Read more about going to a vaccination centre: https://hse.ie/vacctr
If you need to:
– reschedule your appointment, reply “New” to this text
– ask a question about your appointment, call the COVID-19 helpline on 1850 24 1850

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Dear Robert, Thank you for being so open about a private matter.

I have had 3 Pfizer vaccinations and a booster.

I had absolutely no side effects.

After my second vaccine I contracted Covid. My symptoms were mild – headache, sore throat and a slight eye infection.

My friend of my own age not only refused the vaccine but actively campaigned against vaccination.

Today he is two weeks unconscious and on a ventilator in Antrim Hospital. They cannot bring him out of the coma and his lung are damaged and he may not live.

The vaccines and vaccination programmes are not perfect by any means.

But not to take them leaves you open to serious illness and death.

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Delighted to hear it. The evidence is very clearly that while the vaccine doesn’t prevent the virus 100% it is always more risky to get the virus and it is far more likely to kill you. Cases of the virus in the vaccinated are always less serious.
You can’t tell what it would feel like for you but whatever your wife experienced is certain to be less distressing than being in ICU intubated so please please consider again.

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Ah Pat. Say what you like. Meet whomever you like. But please don’t tell us you’re just trying to follow Christ with your vile, ruinous assaults on other people’s lives. That’s an insult to everyone’s intelligence.

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Leo what diocese are you bishop of and have you shredded the dead priests’records in the secret archive?

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Why assume I’m a bishop? I’m not even Catholic. I’m simply capable of reading — and recognising cruelty when I see it. I agree that moral hypocrisy is indefensible; and that those who condemn from pulpits what they practise in secret deserve exposure. I support and value LGBT+ people and believe they should have an equal place in the church and in the church’s ministries. But this blog is cruel. It’s abusive. It’s destructive. It’s tone and content is anything but Christian.

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I haven’t paid much attention Robert Nugent. Listening to a man erring and mmmming for 20 minutes and more with his flow of ramblings badly put together is less interesting than reading you blog. So, I will stick to you, + Pat.

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I think it is very Christian that you are meeting as both of ye have love and honesty in your hearts. For me Jesus and the Spirit of the holy Eucharist meaning is in the work of Stan and Peter mcverry. The material wealth and paraphalnia of the Vatican and church make no sense tome. Sometimes we get too bogged down in regulations when a simple act of kindness speaks the loudest of God’s love for us .

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The furore over +Pat and Robert meeting reminds me of this story:
“Now in Tesco, this priest was behaving like a cornered animal. He was looking everywhere except in my direction. He took off and put back on his specs a hundred times. He dropped things out of his bag and put them back in. He was sweating and panicking.”
As I said on the day, I agree with Bishop Pat on many things. I disagree with Bishop Pat on many things. If we both had time, I would invite him for a cup of coffee/tea.
PAX

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The Robert/Pat encounter was a great moment. The content of Robert’s video is very interesting. It challenges the important issue as to the way we treat “sinners” and “failures”. That for me is central to my Christian beliefs. We must imitate Christ. And this is never easy but he is the model to follow. Robert points this out with great clarity and sincerity and he knows it’s not without challenges. Some commenters repeatedly yesterday were angered that Pat met Robert because they are afraid of another voice of GOSPEL TRUTH which Robert provides. The detractors fear they might lose their space for horrible, hateful and nasty rhetoric, which they should of course!! Let haters create their own blog. .

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What Mr Nugent expresses in yesterday’s video is contradicted by his postings on twitter. (Currently suspended – and for good reason)
There he was quite happy to call out, judge and criticise other people. Dom Andersen being one of them.

I hope that the conversation between Pat and Robert helps both men to steer along that narrow path on which we can call out the hypocrisy of our brothers in Christ without destroying them.

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If you are talking about a monk, please don’t reference him with a woman’s name.
Pat maybe u could start excluding comments where posters demean woman.Im serious.

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Does Robert Nugent have a job and a family? I ask sincerely because I do not know how somebody who seems to spend a great deal of time commenting on social media during the day and evening can possibly give the commitment a job and a family require. Maybe he is funded by somebody or an organisation? I do not know. I am sure he wants to be transparent about this matter.

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Robert has a full time job and a family. If something is important enough to you, you make time to do it.

If you want something done, ask a busy man.

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Yes my wife reminds me of this. I spend a hour a day on this. The videos are unedited. I only wish I was funded. (Hint to anyone out there 🙂 it’s all very amateur.

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12:31 He can’t, the Vatican Bank don’t allow anyone who isn’t a multimillionaire to open an account 😑

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Pat, some of your correspondents are shortsighted like a rhino that will trample anything that comes within it’s immediate radius of vision, without even knowing what it is.

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I have only met Robert once. I do not know all his views.
It is probably true that he is on the right of Catholicism.
But God is working in his life as he is working in all our lives.
I am not an SSPX fan but if a group of them wanted to use my Oratory for Mass I would allow them.
My episcopal motto (1998) is Tolerance – Love – Diversity.
I have no objection to the Latin Mass per se. I only object when it is used by people to try and object to Vatican 11.

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9.25: You are the face of ugliness and hatred. Your caricaturing should not have been printed. Pat, remove it as it is gaslighting against Robert which is just ugy. Robert should be protected from some of your vile commenters. It debases your blog.

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Jack @ 8:52 – our friends & families pray for the thousands of individuals and families deliberately destroyed by various forms of deliberate, calculated abuse & by ongoing acts of gross and ongoing hypocrisy by extended lay & ordained members of RCC church worldwide but particularly for those currently suffering in our local Irish communities at the hands of this money mad mafia 🙏😇

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10.07: A gross OTT posting. We all abhor abuse and continually pray for justice for all survivors. Don’t distort facts or statistics. You do not serve true justice this way. Never. I am a survivor of teenage sexual abuse. I know what I talk about. Do not use my story for your agenda. Thank you.

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Here we go again. Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome?
Incidentally since you don’t want the facts distorted here’s one you won’t want to hear.
The statistics for actual abuse among RC priests compare with the stats in every walk of life. What doesn’t compare is EVERY bishop covered up, moved priests including internationally, facilitating further abuse, and have only evaded prosecution because unfortunately this isn’t a crime in most jurisdictions, and this was done world wide on a policy level from the early 1960s.
No other body, church or civil can compare with this outrageous record so quit your minimising and keep your prayers to yourself.

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‘…money mad mafia…’ I love it!
Brendan and Toni, thank you, your friends & families for your prayers.
God Bless.

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“Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.”
— Frank Herbert

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12.33: No – I won’t quit correcting misinformation. Nor will I keep my prayers to myself. I’ll pray for you that you may find healing. I worked with a survivors support group and have always condemned abuse and cover up. But I also am glad I have support within my local parish community.

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Anonymous @ 11.26pm. Replace the word “men” with priests. It is ordained priests who have most reason to “fear exposure & honesty” as they are in violation of their terms of ordination, employment, self employment or whatever it’s called this week to suit the bosses. That’s what makes some of these serving priests & their posseys such revolting & evil schemers. Lay persons in the RCC are generally volunteering without an agenda although some are clearly involved for cynical self interest usually connected to family businesses or whatever it is that is their own personal agenda that can be facilitated & furthered by church voluntary activities. This category of volunteer also strongly fears exposure for obvious reasons but this more so applies to the corrupt ordained clergy that facilitate this in their parishes in all manner of guises.

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Leonie (yesterday post)
LOL 😘😜.
Other posts:
Re list of countries blog visitors:
Surprised to see no mention of Vatican there.
Quite surprised to see RN under the tutelage of silverstream which I didn’t know.
Anon at 10.07
True.
PF ongoing war on TC and its use of Latin Mass had rorate caeli twitter up in their arns😉🤣

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Leonie at 12.20pm
Thanks. Re loose cappa m as I got over that recently.🤣🤣🤭.
DG

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Deaf Guy, glad you’re over it but please keep mentioning the cappa magna because it drives the cathbots wild 😜

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Glad to hear it, DG.
Take care…it could happen again on your travels.
‘ Who loves ya baby’ xxx

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Robert meeting with you has revealed to him a fresh insight into the underbelly of the church. Gaslighting is putting it mildly – the abuse he got yesterday is simply clerical culture without the veneer of pretend piety and respectability.
The next step in understanding the church is when you realize that that abuse and gaslighting, along with privilege for the clergy, is what it is really about and the religion bit is also gaslighting.
‘ Let’s give you benediction if it keeps you paying’.
He will find the other questions he asks in the car are only answered by the church being a scam.

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11.17: A handful of clerics – unhappy and unfulfilled and disgruntled – may have contributed nasty comments yesterday. The majority of comments were from the usual anti church, anti clerical brigade who race from their hiding sheds to attack with ugliness of rhetoric. They are very scary thugs. Do not forget that the blog has been their platform for years and they rarely contribute anything except poisonous words. They typify the proverbial laptop bullying cowards. So many would hate for Pat and Robert to engage in conversation. To be honest, Robert rattled many shady, nasty cages yesterday. Thanks again to Robert and Pat.

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11.17: I think Robert was aware of a nasty undercurrent of nasty criticism and bitchiness among some clerics. What probably astonished him is the personalised vitriol levelled against him simply because of his mission and religious, moral perspectives. He is a great inspiration. His detractors are the same type who appear on this blog, mostly non clerics who gave a hatred of all things Catholic. This blog is their sphere to spit out the ugliest of venom. They are a dangerous, evil lot who are nasty, vengeful and vindictiveness. Moral cowards who use media platforms to crush others and cause hurt and pain to many. Satanists…

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Everybody has to learn the truth about the church by experiencing the reality, not the spin.

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Robert, do not give up your mission to speak the truth of the Gospel of Christ. It’s irrelevant whether you are on the left or right, conservative or liberal. What matters is your passion and dedication to the truth of God’s expectation of flowers of Jesus. You have a sincere and genuine commitment to Christ and his Church and you are justified in challenging all that is wrong, corrupt, duplicitous and hypocritical. You accept you can get some analysis wrong: who of us doesn’t? Pat will appreciate the vulgar, hateful gaslighting you received and will receive. The bile, poisonous vulgarity directed at you is evil, thus the individuals who post them are evil. Let’s name and shame their sins of hatred and evil. Pat has given you time, courtesy, welcome – even though you differ hugely – but that’s what makes the encounter fascinating. Pat, do not allow your blog to be inhabited today by these vile, anonymoys posters. It is sad that Robert is being harrassed and mocked and that yesterday some morally reprehensible thugs thought it was ok to attack his wife and family. If possible these COWARDS should be named. These people are seriously morally, ethically and spiritually dead. Robert and Pat – continue the dialogue. We must not give haters the oxygen of recognition. God bless Robert and Pat in their respective searching for TRUTH.

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11.11: But please Pat – not this ugly caricature of Robert. It’s offensive. These types are low lifes and have nothing worthwhile to offer.

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11:23, was it a harmless photo? People agree and disagree with +Pat. People agree and disagree with Robert. People agree and disagree with Voris. Noone has a monopoly on always being right.

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Two priests I know died of Covid. As I said I weighed up my options and made my decision as a free man.

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Yes, but…. If you put media on YouTube which can be interpreted as discouraging vaccination (and I haven’t seen your videos apart from the above so I’m only going by the comments above and apologies if this is wrong) and it sways people not to get vaccinated you are causing deaths. I don’t know you but I don’t think you would want to do that.
A private matter should be private.
Pssst… Get vaxed!

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Robert, I admire your openness honesty and witness to the catholic faith. Some commentators to Bishop Pats blog have been dealing with the consequences of
church abuse all our lives. Gaslighting is par for the course, sadly. Maybe yesterday
was a baptism of fire of sorts for you. I don’t know. Stay strong. Keep the faith, surround yourself with trusted allies and be open to new possibilities.God works in mysterious ways.

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I admire Robert’s openness, honesty and witness to the catholic faith as well. If yesterday was a baptism of fire, I hope he learns fast and I have no doubt that he will. When we have an awareness of the limitations of others, there dirty tactics are water off a ducks back. Don’t blown off course by the storm.
Pax.

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P.S. If +Pat is a voice in the wilderness and Robert’s meeting with +Pat has become a baptism of fire for Robert, once the dust has settled, will Robert emerge from this as a modern day messiah? (A leader regarded as the saviour of a particular country, group, or cause.)
Pax.

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I have watched a lot of Robert’s videos . I admire him and I agree with most of what he says but his Facebook page really disappointed me as it is composed almost entirely of anti-vaxx material

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Gaslighting is a colloquialism, loosely defined as making someone question their own reality.
The term may also be used to describe a person (a “gaslighter”) who presents a false narrative to another group or person which leads them to doubt their perceptions and become misled (generally for the gaslighters’ own benefit), disoriented or distressed. Generally, this dynamic is only possible when the audience is vulnerable, such as in unequal power relationships, or when the audience is fearful of the losses associated with challenging the false narrative. Gaslighting is not necessarily malicious or intentional, although in some cases it is.
The word “gaslighting” is often used incorrectly. According to Robin Stern, PhD, co-founder of the Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence, “For those who [actually] experience gaslighting, the widespread misuse of the word is damaging to them”. The recent and excessive misuse of the word is following the path paved by words like “psychopath” and “narcissist” which have definitions that are largely different from the sensational or hyperbolic way the words are used by some. Many psychologists are not encouraged by this increased use of “gaslighting” as overuse and misuse of the term is diluting its usefulness.

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The church’s pious front is gaslighting. Sadly people have to learn what it is really about the hard way, as Robert Nugent did yesterday.

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There are individuals who undergo extreme gaslighting at the hands of the hierarchy. RN experiencing one day of negative comments is not quite the same thing.

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And please don’t forget that RN has been dishing it out punishment against an actual whistleblower and victim of abuse. This is why I cannot be sympathetic to RN’s meltdown after one day of criticism.

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Robert claims he didn’t get vaccinated and he was free to make that choice.
While I agree that all men and women are free to play fast and loose with their own lives they are not to play fast and loose with the lives of those around them.

At this stage we know that there is evidence that the vaccination prevents Covid developing into something very serious in the host. i.e. it doesn’t stop us contracting the virus but it stops it developing into something serious.
BUT there is also significant
evidence to prove that the vaccination also reduces TRANSMISSSION of Covid.

I believe that all Christians are duty-bound to get vaccinated. Those that refuse to get vaccinated are participating in allowing this deadly virus to mutate into something deadlier.

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UK Government figures

Over the whole period (1 January to 31 October 2021), the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving COVID-19 was 96% lower in people who had received a second dose at least 21 days ago compared with unvaccinated people.

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“Cite the evidence”

Just check out peer reviewed science journals. OR persist in your wilful ignorance.

The problem with anti vaxers is that they will do the latter.

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1:10
There’s a lot of assumptions in the figures you mentioned, Pat.
It’s not evidence. I’m not going to argue about it right now.
I have too much going on at the moment.

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1:17

I’m not an anti vaxer. Cite the peer review journals, Jude.
You are sooo concerned to inform.

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I’m triple vaccinated. It’s understandable if someone close to someone had a negative reaction to the vaccine that one might be hesitant as a result.
Anyone who is unvaccinated has a bigger obligation however to live as if they have the virus and they are trying to prevent infecting others. Social distancing, masks and frequent testing is crucial on their part.

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Ok. Tell my 35 next door neighbour would was 10 days in hospital with a blood clot and stroke from the vaccine. I’m not anti anything, you weigh the pros and cons. I had Covid for 2 months in 2020 after returning from Russia/Germany/Switzerland (not sure where I picked it up but one of those airports) so let everyone make their own informed decision. There are risks with every medication and the side effects for these new gene based therapy are listed. I won’t be taking any of them ever.

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I think some people were concerned that you’d be somewhat diluted going forward in your ongoing exposure.
By meeting those in denial about the filth and sickening hypocrisy at the heart of the roman Church. We don’t need to worry however, having seen your fabulous work and the sinking ship rats scurrying for cover.
Never give up Pat. The disgusting hypocritical Roman loyalists are on the way out. The deniers are dangerous. Be careful of their softly ,softly attitude and command of the English language gymnastics.
They are seriously deluded at heart and best avoided. We can spot them a mile off.
Actions speak louder than words.
Their time is nigh.

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Thank you. I don’t do diluted 😉

I have just opened up a new case this morning with the Bishop of Killaloe.

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Anon at 12.48pm

Image to drive cathbots wild is here

It was a clear statement that the power and prestige of the world have no place at the altar, but it is expressed in a liturgical ritual or symbol, which, unfortunately, are often lacking in the contemporary rites and thus hard to grasp

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@1:27 Nuns who aren’t masculine and over the age of 70 must shock some people, I’m not +Burke is sound on a few things, but the image is better than elderly trousersuited nuns doing yoga or similar crap.

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When was this taken? Granny Burke hasn’t been seen since ventilated – it’s an old pic or another old granny

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1.27: We’ve moved beyond this nonsense long ago. You must be really miserable and stuck for fantasy material. Griw uo, yiu imbecile. Be a real man, not some prissy little queen. Ask Deaf Guy for a lovefest – he seems to idolise this crap too!!

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Is it possible to contact Robert N?
I thought I might find him on social media but can’t find anything apart from his YouTube channel.

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@3.47pm What a ridiculous, silly answer. you are wrong. A Cathbot is a Catholic with a botty. Please be more accurate in future.

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Bot : Comes from gaming culture originally to denote a computer generated player/character.
Also from Chatbot used to provide automated replies to questions.
You can put “bot” at then end of any group you don’t like, pretending they are not humans but automatons/robotic e.g.
Cathbot, Gaybot, Hetrobot, Preistbot, Prodbot, Heathenbot, Hindubot, Islamabot, Vaccinebot, Coronabot, Tradbot, Liberalbot, Marxistbot etc.
Ironically those fondest of using are severely lacking in their own vocabulary and original thought and like to parrot it and other clichés and verbal diarrhoea often, like some kind of tourette’s syndrome.

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Pat can you show the views in European countries of the blog, or tell me how to view it? Might make interesting reading 🙈

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Keep it up Pat. Interesting to see you have avid readers in the low countries 😀 any guesses 😃😃😃

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Pat, that sort of frightening comment at 5.23pm isn’t in the spirit of RN saying to allow comments (within reason). It’s thoroughly unpleasant.

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7:08 It’s a prediction, not a threat. There were comments here asking who his employer was and there was an answer. We all know the church’s smear merchants will go to great lengths to shut down the truth and forewarned is forearmed.
The reality is people do get dismissed from work for unsuitable social media activity and while obviously he hasn’t done anything wrong that is not how it would be painted to his employer.
Look at the comments above about his Twitter then wake up and smell the coffee about how the unholy ones try to destroy their enemies.
For example look at the treatment of Fr Benedict Anderson.

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I’m entitled to be an employed catholic, and I’m entitled to use my spare time to do what I want. I work for a wonderful company the respects everyone. Don’t see what I do to support my family is anyones business. But I won’t support being gaslighted by anyone. I have my views and I speak my mind.

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Robert at 7:38 Quite! However please be aware that the people you have offended won’t hesitate to use underhand tactics and a complaint to your employer alleging inappropriate social media use would be an obvious one. Pat’s advantage is that he’s put himself where he’s basically legally untouchable but they’ve tried everything else with him. You are now seen to be aligned with an enemy of the church.
Given that people were talking about your employer I thought it as well to alert you to a possible next step.

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Inappropriate social media use.??? Well I would love to see how they spin that. I refuse to be gaslighted. I’m entitled to spend an hour of time to speak my mind on blog. I refused to shut up.

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5.23: Why such a ridiculous comment? Roberts proclamation of his Christianity is his business, not his employees and I’m sure Robert does his videoing outside the office!! Get a grip, you fool.

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I do have a life outside work and I think I’m entitled to have one. Some like golf, others fine pub.

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My firm sacked someone who was on his social media accounts, posting, during working hours. They said he was stealing time from the company.

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5:30, no employer (in its right mind, anyway) would terminate on account of publicly expressed religious beliefs.
An employer might, however, terminate if publicly expressed conspiracy theories about a political and emotional hot potato like Covid-19 damaged the reputation of a company.
It’s a stretch, perhaps, but I wouldn’t underestimate the determination and legal resourcefulness of a corporation who wants somebody gone.
Just to be clear, this is NOT a threat against RN; I think there are individual here who are actually trying to help him be prepared.
Yes, you can say whatever you want, you will not be silenced, etc. but you also must be prepared to accept the consequences when you’ve kicked the hornets’ nest that is the Irish Roman Catholic Church by having tea and the chats with its sworn enemy. This is the disturbing and sick reality.

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Yes 8:45, that’s exactly what I meant and the questions about his work and comments about his Twitter above made me wonder.
We’ve all read how Fr Anderson was accused of breaking the seal……

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7.31pm – Interesting comment. Wonder who wanted to know who Robert’s employer was and for what purpose? What is your problem with Robert – jealous because he met Bishop Pat. It is none of anybody’s business what Robert does in his workplace or in his spare time or what he has on social media, that has nothing to do with you so will you get on your knees and say the rosary for Pat and Robert. It is powerful and will help you to see through the light. God be with you.

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I hope that these past few days open up more dialogue with you, Bishop Pat. Catholic Truth Scotland has also had open and good-natured dialogue with you. There is so much to be gained from dialogue.

The ACP missed a chance when they shunned you. As well as being a voice for victims, you could have been a fearless, independent advocate for all the great priests, including those in difficulty, and you wouldn’t be subject to espiscopal sanction for doing so, because the bishops have no power over you. They have no patronage to give or withdraw, and have used up their ultimate weapon of excommunication. Your freedom to speak your mind is powerful.

I also think that many people condemn you without having met you. Those who do remark that you are open, can have a laugh about situations and see other points of view.

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5:30 LOL sussed you. There’s no other reason his employer was being bandied around on here the other day.

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7.23: What about the princesses, Pat? Or the hidden Catholics? Saudi Arabia.. better not go there Pat!

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Ages between 19-25 years of age? Silverstream 2.0
😱😱😱

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It’s for the same reason as Silverstream. It is easier to form a community when people have things in common. In this case, it’s for young students at QUB, and no mature students (who can find it hard to gel with young students, and vice versa). Armies have the same approach.

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But….it’s ok for the priest chaplains to be the mature men within the community?
Hmmmm

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8:31 😂 how do you know that’s Silverstream’s reason??? Or are you just making things up?

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8.38pm. I was a senior civil servant in the personnel policy directorate in the Ministry of Defence and I can assure you that the optimum age for recruits is 17-21. Fitness levels remain fairly constant well into the 20s and early 30s. The young are simply better able to cohere around a common goal and find it easier to form the bonds that help make units successful.

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@8.47pm. Silverstream explain their age policy in the following way. I think their approach is right. In my view, retreads and late vocations can be isolated or isolate themselves. Certainly in Maynooth the late vocations generally kept to themselves and hung about together, and mixed much less than the school leavers.

Anyway, back to Silverstream:

“Experience has shown that after one’s mid thirties, it is difficult to adapt to monastic life, to submit to the process by which one yields to the demands of life “under a Rule and an Abbot” (Rule of Saint Benedict 1:13). Similarly, men with a previous experience of religious life, find it hard to embrace a new experience with the freshness, sense of wonderment, and discovery that should characterize those taking their first steps in a monastery.”

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9:24, The Silverstream quote makes my skin crawl. It is actually far worse than I could have possibly imagined. 🤮

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9.15 & 9.24
Nonsense of the first degree.
Any professor will confirm the cohorts with the most successful and productive dynamic are those composed of school leavers and mature students for obvious reasons of complementarity.

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8.31 and 9.15 you’re ignoring what should be a spiritually legit raison d’etre for a monastery where they believed in God’s providence. “Freshness” and “wonderment” are creepy as propagandistic “criteria”. Aloof crusty seasoned ones have got those. Monasteries are desperately short of actual brains. A mixture of ages, yes (if the entire concept isn’t too dated; monk = euphemism for confecter).

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10.16: Have you had experience to disprove the wisdom of the Silverstream quote? In my first year at seminary we had about a number of late vocations. They were good men but tended to think they had all of life’s experiences, which they hadn’t but they were very fixed in their ways of thinking, connecting with others, a little removed and standoffish. Good men and good priests eventually. An age limit is necessary. A good psychological understanding of the stages of growth, human development and an awareness of mental, spiritual and emitional dynamics might help you make a more truthful and informed response.

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10:26, In light of what is known about Kirby now, from this blog and other sources (respected journalistic ones), I think 10:16’s 🤮 is a very well justified response to that quote. It’s not about age limits per se; it’s about wanting young, naive men who don’t know anything and will accept anything from the guru (a man I’ve met on more than one occasion, BTW, and was uneasy about even before the publication of “In Sinu” and the whistleblower revelations).

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10.26. That was my experience also of the late vocations. Good, interesting men with lots of life experiences but they had a “wise owl” aura and the deans found them hard to form, I think. They also were standoffish and didn’t have a lot in common with the predominantly young community in Maynooth at the time. That is part of the wisdom of Silverstream and most if not all traditional religious houses.

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12:03
“Wise owl aura” equals not wet behind the ears with life experience outside the church unlike most if not all formators/deans.

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10.26
No matter how you try to dress it up, an age limit is there for one particular purpose: the sexual gratification of those who stand to gain from it. It stinks.

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Interesting article in the Catholic Herald about ‘Exodus 90’, which Robert and Pat referred to the other day.

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Pat, as a matter of interest, when you were in the pub/club in the Shankill Road did you feel unsafe? Was anyone hostile to you because of the way you were dressed?

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It’s very revealing that some commenters are literally frightening Robert Nugent into shutting up by saying his employers won’t/may not think kindly of his social media blogging. That’s passive bullying and an ugly attempt to silence Robert. It’s bullying of the worst kind. We jnow all too well that social media ugliness, stalking and bullying is a pousonius birys in our society and those who engage in it ought to be named and found guilty in court of a devious, sinister and evil endangerment to society. Robert’s views are sincerely held and articulated. I think he challenged the many hidden hypocrites who daren’t shown their faces to anyone. They are the real moral cowards. Thanks again to Pat for allowing Robert to give very insightful, balanced comments. They show up the hatred and vengeance underpinning the moral cowards. There have been very good comments today apart from the usual anti Catholic mob. The mixture of views by Robert and Pat are interesting and enlightening.

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Everything is going I.P., and By 2025 the majority of the POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service aka the old twisted-pair copper network) will be just about defunct.
So hat does this mean? Well, I.P.stands for Internet Protocol, and it is a part of the Internet protocol suite, which is commonly known as TCP/IP. The Internet Protocol is just the network protocol for basic network traffic, i.e. VLAN (Virtual Local Area Networks), WAN (Wide Area Networks) and LAN (Local Area Networks). However, when I.P. is used alongside common internet traffic, like for e-mail and surfing the ‘net’, I.P. is combined with TCP (Transport Control Protocol) to create the the TCP/IP protocol suite. Each “stack” — that’s the individual properties of the above two protocols — perform their own tasks; but when combined, these various combinations perform together — at different levels.
Each level of the stack performs a particular function and communicates with the levels above it and below it.
I.P. is the Network Layer and is number 3 in the Internet Protocol Suite; while TCP (sometimes used with, or without, UDP) is a part of the Transport Layer and is number 4 in the Internet Protocol Suite.
It is worth noting that the TCP/IP suite can be, if required, to be “transparent” when used in wireless networking — that is in in W.D.S. mode (Wireless Distribution System) and is best method as it allows for M.A.C. Pass through…) etc, and takes up far-less valuable processing power from the radio’s C.P.Us.
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Layer. Number. Layer Name. And the Protocol Name: –
4. Application Layer HTTP, Telnet, DNS, SNMP, DHCP
3. Transport Layer TCP, UDP
2. Internet Layer IP, ICMP, IGMP
1. Link Layer Ethernet, Wireless LAN, PPP, ARP
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There are four different layers in Internet Protocol Suite — but these four-layers make up the whole suite.
If just one protocol fails to perform it’s correct task… it is difficult to determine what the consequences could be. And the seriousness of any consequences depends, wholey, upon what system are relient on the protocols working in harmony…
We’re going fully I.P., baby 😉

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I think it means we need to get on with all kinds of different people — irrelevant of Political persuasion, religion/denomination (remember: both Anglican and Catholic bishops can be incompetent — even together 🙄).
If we don’t work together, then things fall apart, and that’s not good at all.
Without a certain level of harmony we have chaos. And chaos isn’t good 😊
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Are you sure you don’t understand the Internet Protocol Suite better than you’re letting on? 🤔 😂

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