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14 % OF NEW ZEALAND PRIESTS WERE ABUSERS.

**** MR IN SOUTHAMPTON. CAN YOU VONTACT ME.

Scale of abuse in NZ Catholic Church revealed in new research
February 1, 2022


The scale of reported alleged abuse within the Catholic Church in Aotearoa New Zealand has become known for the first time from extensive research undertaken by the Church at the request of the Royal Commission on Abuse in Care.

A total of 1680 reports of abuse were made by 1122 individuals against Catholic clergy, brothers, nuns, sisters and lay people from 1950 to the present, with 592 alleged abusers named. Almost half the reported abuse involved sexual harm. The 1960s and 1970s were the decades with the most abuse reported, with 75 per cent dated before 1990.

The results of this research have been requested by and provided to the Royal Commission. The definition of abuse used is the one used by the commission and includes reports of sexual, physical, emotional, psychological and neglect.

The research was undertaken by Te Rōpū Tautoko, the group that coordinates Church engagement with the Royal Commission. Te Rōpū Tautoko encourages anyone who has suffered abuse in the care of the Church to approach the Police, the Royal Commission, the Church’s agency for managing reports of abuse (the National Office for Professional Standards, or NOPS), or one of the many support groups and networks that exist for survivors.

Te Rōpū Tautoko sought and examined records in an Information Gathering Project from the country’s six Catholic dioceses and from 43 Catholic religious congregations (also known as religious institutes, orders or associations). The research included records of 428 Catholic parishes, 370 Catholic schools and 67 other care institutions. The findings include:

• Of the 1274 Catholic diocesan clergy (those who work under a bishop, not for a congregation) who have worked in New Zealand since 1950, 378 reports were made about 182 (14 per cent) of those clergy.

• Of the 2286 male congregational members (brothers and priests belonging to a congregation) who have worked here since 1950, 599 reports were made about 187 (8 per cent) of them.

• Of the 4247 female congregational members (sisters or nuns) who have worked here since 1950, 258 reports were made about 120 of them, or 3 per cent.

• A total of 138 allegations of abuse were made against 103 mostly lay staff, volunteers and similar people involved with the Church.

• Of the 1680 complaints, 1350 involved children and 164 involved adults, with the age of a further 167 not established by the research. Of the 1680, almost half (835) were reports of sexual harm against a child. Of the total, 687 relate to educational facilities, 425 to residential care, 228 to parishes and 122 to other locations. A further 219 were at unidentified locations.

Te Rōpū Tautoko acknowledges that the records will not represent all abuse that has happened in the care of the Catholic Church, as the research only covers recorded reports. Not all the reports of alleged abuse found during the research resulted in police complaints or criminal convictions. Not all the reports were upheld at the time they were made, or subsequently, but many were.

Not all the alleged abusers were identified – 308 of the reports were against unidentified people. A total of 1296 reports were against 592 named alleged abusers. Of those 592, 393 had one report about them, 143 had two to four reports, 40 had five to nine, 10 had 10 to 14 and six had 15 or more. Those six accounted for more than 10 per cent of all reports of alleged abuse.

Catherine Fyfe, Chair of Te Rōpū Tautoko, says: “Church leaders are committed to ensuring transparency. Consistent with this principle, we have published this information now, as soon as the work on it has been completed. It is important to note that the extent of reports of abuse in the Catholic Church in Aotearoa New Zealand has not been collated before now. The Information Gathering Project was a major exercise involving dozens of people over two years, including searching paper files dating back 70 years in hundreds of places.”

Sister Margaret Anne Mills, President of the Congregational Leaders Conference of Aotearoa New Zealand (representing Catholic religious orders and similar entities), says: “Each piece of data represents many people’s lives. Much of it represents terrible harm committed by one person on another. We can never forget that. Being involved in being part of healing that harm, as much as is possible, is, and needs to continue to be, our focus. All Church leaders need to urgently understand and acknowledge our shared history; understand and acknowledge the shocking impact of abuse in church settings on victims and their families; understand what it means for survivors and our faith communities; and act today.”

Cardinal John Dew, President of the NZ Catholic Bishops Conference, says: “These statistics on abuse in the Catholic Church going back to 1950 are horrifying and something we are deeply ashamed of. I am grateful that so much work has been done in researching the details and making them public. As we continue to respond to the Royal Commission into Abuse and we build a safer Church for everyone, I firmly hope that facts like these will help us to face the sad reality. The Church will learn from this and affirm its commitment to the work of safeguarding.”

The publication of the research comes shortly before the Royal Commission is scheduled to start hearings that will investigate events at Marylands School in Christchurch. Marylands was a residential school for boys, many with disabilities, run from the 1950s to 1984 by the Hospitaller Order of St John of God brothers. The commission is also looking into any abuse by the brothers at Hebron Trust, a Christchurch facility for at-risk youth operated by one of the brothers, and abuse by the brothers at Marylands against residents of the neighbouring St Joseph’s orphanage run by the Sisters of Nazareth.

“Setting it out in the Roadmap makes it clear to everyone the work that is needed and the progress being made,” says Catherine Fyfe. “This provides a sense of transparency and accountability.”

If you have a concern or complaint of abuse involving someone within the Church you can call the National Office of Professional Standards on 0800 114 622 or email prof.standards@nzcbc.org.nz

VATICAN II – PROS AND CONS

ROBERT NUGENT AND OTHERS.

**** Roberts video is an hour long.

PATS VIEW:

Robert Nugent and I have made it abundantly cleat that we have different views on many matters.

But that does not mean that people cannot get along and work on the issues that they agree on.

I am a Vatican 11 Catholic and priest.

I love the new order of Mass in the vernacular.

I have no objection to the Latin Mass among as its not being used to further agendas.

If people wanted to have a Latin Mass in our Oratory I would have no problem with that.

I only met one pope – Paul VI – who held my hand firmly and said to me – COURAGIO – COURAGE. That was in 1971.

I am also open to all ideas.

I’m expecting the arrival of a book Robert recommended to me – LAZARUS COME FORTH.

It’s arriving today. I’ll blog about what I think about.

IRISH SEMINARIAN HOMOSEXUALLY BULLIED COMMITTED SUICIDE.

189 replies on “14 % OF NEW ZEALAND PRIESTS WERE ABUSERS.”

Robert N, now I know you were in the Their Name Is Legion, I’m LESS worried about you – though that does NOT make sense. I’m a P2 dropout, myself.

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I’m devastated, my bf wants to ‘open up’ our relationship, and it’s not something I have ever even thought about, I don’t know what to do

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Robert thank you for taking on board my comment the other day about how your opponents might come after your job. Very impressed – I know the church’s tactics of old and most people flatly refuse to believe it until something happens.
About the above – if they think exposing rape, abuse and bullying is satanic that’s all you need to know.

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8.11: Robert Nugent is an impressive man. I think he is on a good mission. Irrespective of his religious leanings, there is room for all voices as we seek to rediscover a new church, a true renewal of priesthood and renewed parish communities. Those who are genuinely concerned should be respected, not sneered at. Pat and Robert and others can initiate a new way forward. We have analysed, dissected and spoken: let’s have real action now. I’m interested as to the direction Robert and Pat might go!
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Well I can tell you that Pat has been very respectful with me. There are serious serious questions to answer.

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How shocking ! Something like 1 in 6 or 7 of priests in NZ with some sort of question mark over them in connection to abusing children. That figure will be replicated throughout the Catholic priesthood. I remember as a young man clergy being rather blasé about clergy who fiddled with kiddies. It was a sort of laughing matter. A little local colour. I remember as a seminarian being around a priest who was a dirty old bastard with a history of fiddling with little girls, and he was treated as if he was a character. But, every time he got the chance his talk and behaviour was disgusting. It was that kind of culture that normalised what was happening. It was acceptable, excusable. And now ? You know, I think things might not have improved too much. I think there are still shady and dodgy character among priests and seminarians, they are just more aware and using their manipulative skills even more carefully so that they do not get caught. If find the dolt headed reluctance to make any link between the clerical culture, mandatory celibacy and the kind of training in exhaled priesthood that seminarian continue to be given with the prevalence of dysfunctional and criminal behaviour in the clerical caste completely baffling. Pretty much everybody else but the Church, bishops and priests can see clearly a link. I would think that in years to come that clerical culture will itself be seen as an enabler of abuse, and will be roundly condemned, even criminally. It needs to change “tout suite”.

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It’s a while ago now, but I watched a programme about an Irish priest on an island somewhere in Ireland who had abused dozens of children. Another priest described him as “a lovely little leprechaun of a man” during interviews with other priests who knew him.

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Valladolid trained them to first of all talk along those lines, then after that either put it into action or raise a dishonestly cynical melodrama about it (how depraved “we all” are).

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New Zealand RC Church – yet another powerhouse of moral & financial corruption – God seems to have been long left behind in all of this. He’s just a “front” like the collar is. Toxic. 🥲

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7:58 Sorry to be “blunt” but as this blog is about “truth” – your bf seen something he prefers elsewhere & is telling you to take a “hike”. There are “agony aunt” blogs elsewhere on internet. This blog is about exposing corruption in the Catholic Church by complicit parties. Lots of dating sites etc too should you be sensible and “take bf hint” & as a reader of this blog you’ve obviously heard of Boilerhouse & Tinder that priests use – no doubt Boilerhouse will be expanding beyond Dublin – given its popularity. Don’t worry Luv, once you get going, you’ll be away on a hack & realise bf has done you a massive favour intentionally or unintentionally. Be Safe ❤️

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9:18 Morning luv. Grand luv. I believe an Italian inquiry into CSA cover up has been called for by a Vatican top official named Hans Zoller. Have a nice day, luv.

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9.14am: Did you walk the pathway to other places for fun and thrills? Seems like you too took a hike or your BF did..As you suggest, move in and upwards!!

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Enablers of Abuse:

“If you’re neutral in situations of injustice, you have “chosen” the side of the oppressor”

Archbishop Desmond Tutu

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Bishop Pat, you mentioned yesterday that you had met the late Pope Paul many years ago. Our Colleague & Parish Priest has met Pope Francis many times. He rates him as a most inspiring influence on his Ministry.
Yours truly
Sister Sledge 😇

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“And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues;”
I’ve watched one of Robert’s recent videos. I disagree on Latin being the chosen language.
“Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; …”
No mention here of not being able to take the bread. People can get tied up in liturgical knots.
Pax.

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Parish of Darragh, Ballyea, Clarecastle
Mother of Fr Michael Casey & Fr Tony Casey & Grandmother of GAA Clare Footballers, Gary, Shane & Cillian Brennan has passed away. Rest in Peace.

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Some takeaways from the NZ report:
👉 Not all complaints were withheld;
👉 It was a post-Vatican II problem, with most abuse occurring in the 1960s and 1970s;
👉 Rates have fallen sharply;
👉 A high proportion were the fault of a few individuals. Six individuals accounted for more than 10 per cent of all reports of alleged abuse;
👉 Saying any of these things, as a contribution to the debate, causes outrage and ad hominem attacks on the blog. Engage and disprove them if you can rather than insulting me and the Church.

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‘It was a post-Vatican II problem’
Yes, although other likely causes were the death of Marilyn Monroe and publication of A Clockwork Orange in 1962.

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Pat, would Bishop Michael Cox be worth reaching out to as well by Robert etc. ? How does Michael Cox factor into things these days? Have not heard much about him for a long time.

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@ 12:5pm

Patsy, can you update us on this Michael Cox, have just googled him. He’s absolutely off his head, calling himself Traditional and Tridentine the very last thing he is. ‘Ordaining’ Sinaed O’Connor! in a hotel room in Lourdes, a few weeks later she’s calling him all sorts and threatening to bash him so she can sell some Church she owns. Next thing she’s converted to Islam! He’s then in court about some dodgy marriage, then he’s at odds with you over your lifestyle, truly an absolute NUTTER.!

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I think your judgement on Michael is a little bit harsh. He is not a nutter. But he is a colourful character. He and Sinead asked me to support her ordination and I said no.

He and I keep in touch just a few times a year. His heart is in the right place ut he doesn’t often present well. He is older now, not in great health and retired.

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Regarding the sem who took his own life, is Robert sure that the family want this campaign to happen? It will reopen old wounds and no one in the seminary will take responsibility, so it’s leading the family up the top of a hill and taking them back down again.
I say this as the brother of a sibling who took her own life. The night it happened she met a Passionist priest (not Fr D’Arcy) who was counselling her, she told him she was going to kill herself, he let her leave and did not tell anyone. It wasn’t in confession. He was criticised for that by the coroner at the inquest but it was water off a duck’s back. He truculently denied he was at any fault.

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Did only one seminarian take his own life? I believe from comments on this blog at least three seminarians committed suicide in Irish seminarys’. Any inquiries carried out?

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One in the Marylebone neighbourhood, mentioned in comments here a while back, and known to serving clergy in the district. And strange things that befell certain clergy.

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@11:14 – This is a very important point, the families wishes should be respected first and foremost. By all means if they want it opened up again it defiantly should. It would be good if justice could be done, but the victim should not be used for any self righteous self promotion either. I’m not saying that’s Robert’s and Pat’s intentions, but it can turn into that inadvertently and they will definitely be accused of that it if it’s not handled/planned well.

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Pat at 11:46 thanks. TBH I’m all for exposing the church from top to bottom but I just think the family’s wishes should take priority.

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The family have been deceived. Those driven to suicide have to be given justice.

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On reflection Pat’s right, justice needs to be followed up, yes the family should be respected and consulted and kept informed, but it also has to be balanced with justice and trying to ensure this never happens again. It’s difficult to do both, but it could be done. What would assist Pat and Robert greatly would be if they could find another Martin Ridge out there (yes I know few and far between), i.e. an on side retired Gardai detective that could also advise them how to push re-opening and publicising this case in a forceful yet credible factual manner.

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In many places in Ireland the Church and the Gardai work together

I’ve seen church whistleblowers harassed into silence by the Gardai.

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Have bishops and priests the right to withhold a suicide note from families?

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11.58 that was the post Vat II Vatican City State Church (VCSC) whose clique in charge and their quangoes / proxies everywhere are ever more entrenching centralisation and the abolition of subsidiarity (which had been upheld by the Workers’ Pope-St Michael Pope-Holy Spirit Pope). I want you, RN, Shaw and Kwasniewski to refrain from misleading anyone into feeling obliged to affiliate to the VCSC and its quangoes.

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Totally valid point. I am removing all the work with Pat Buckley from my channel and we are opening a new (unmonetised ) channel to focus specifically on this catastrophic abuse and coverup. So I won’t be driving click bait or profiting in any way. This suicide came to me and Pat from a 3rd party asking for the coverup to be investigated. I will be getting a case number from
The Guards today. It’s terribly shocking this is going to cause pain for the family. But we owe them the Truth and we need to get the FACTS!!!!! FYI I CAN’T BE STOPPED OR BOUGHT OFF!!!!!

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3:32 There are several reasons survivors are constantly told to go to the Gardai
1. The church has finally sussed that they have to make at least an appearance of following the law. That said much of the impetus behind the mandatory reporting movement is that if it was a crime not to report child abuse many many bishops would have found themselves in court.
2. Child abuse cases are notoriously difficult to get to a successful prosecution and the church tells people to go to the Gardai to be seen to be doing something while ensuring there are low chances of anything actually happening.
3. Going to the police about sexual crime is incredibly stressful and the complainant will likely give up.

My own advice would be to go to the police and social services (not the church’s safeguarding) if the abuser is still alive hopefully to stop other victims.
Otherwise I advise people to think about whether they have an outcome in mind to seeking help. In Britain I would advise people to go to Slater and Gordon for advice if they want to seek damages or have the church pay for therapy. They have an excellent abuse law team who will be very realistic about what you can expect.

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Two of them got pressured into extremely bad career “church” non-parish paths. One ended / one is continuing to be in extreme poor wellbeing.
Why is the Vatican city church stopping previously good English young men having a healthy worldly profession & occupation?
In the most immediate term all VDs everywhere need to be abolished. Empty headed, sentimental, that already is posionous by the way, the opposite of Christ.
The grieving family of Mr D. were probably told a “church” career would bring credit to their family?
Why do large religious organisations package and sell lies?
Why was I in early childhood told, why were my parents told (whose beliefs were not elaborate and who disapproved of all the violence against Ireland), that beliefs had been abolished and we would be told what the beliefs were going to be which we haven’t (that makes any sense) (but my SECULAR teachers filled the gap). Montini delayed the council till he could be sure it would fail.
We thought that is how life is supposed to be. The head office and its proxies shouldn’t complain when we decide to protest.
Another thing: a pope praying he can extend the Kdm of God is extremely bad – God’s Kdm is God’s business. Popes are dominionists, a sort of protestantism. We are the butt on the battering ram.
If the old orphaned lady that never lived outside the Nazareths, she got taught to talk salacious and a young marriued man copied her. No it’s not right.
The few good bishops and the good priests did not want to buy into this and churches must be allowed to secede.
Eucharistolatry. It led us straight into the arms of Wojtyla’s boshevik friends. Stop doing organisational sacraments (baptism and unction are lay sacraments; matrimony does not belong to your denomination). Sit in that pew and don’t “go up”!

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Alvin at 5.59, what on earth are you trying to say? This is gobbledygook. Can you write it in good English? You might be making important points but as expressed, it’s very confusing.

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Oul Gossip Alert @ 5:30pm
Wrong again as usual Nettie,Uriah Heep,Jim S, or whatever name you’re using today. get back to twitching your cheap net curtains and stop spewing your native language Gibberish.😏

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NZ had a lot of immigration at the time and I bet one of the reasons the rate of abuse is so high is that priests who had already abused were shuffled there to get rid of the problem.

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1.13: Robert, why he you are well intentioned I’m wondering if you can intrude into a family’s loss and grief in so public a manner without their permission? Remember Data Protection Protocols. Also I don’t think Gardai ever share confidential dicuments with private individuals. The truth of what happened is imperative but you may not have access to relevant documentation. I would suggest you be aware of the family at centre of this incident. None of us has any right to publish anything without their permission. I wish you well.

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The dead are entitled to the truth being told about them. And if their death was caused by the actions of others, then those matters should be made public.

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This is really true Pat. A priest in my diocese left me in such a bad place that I almost took my own life. The public have a right to be aware.

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Jesus an a review by an antisemitism criticising Marshall for not being antisemitic. A much better criticism is that he talks rubbish.

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IMHO I believe Vatican II, due to the vagueness of it’s documents, was extremely carelessly and recklessly applied and interpreted and the application after the council totally mismanaged, but Taylor Marshall is primarily all about Taylor Marshall, and he is wrong as often as he is right. He is very careless with fact checking and confirmation, and very free with allegations and assumptions, and his book is a prime example of that.

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Ooh I just looked up Taylor Marshall and he’s an Episcopal priest. Perhaps he should consider getting instructed in the Catholic faith.

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12:50, look closer. TM hasn’t been an Episcopalian for many, many years. He converted to RCC in 2006.

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The Catholic priesthood attracts child abusers like bees to honey – it will never change whatever they say.

The Catholic priesthood is a gay profession and celibacy a perfect mask to practice and indulge their nefarious ways.

Clergy laugh at and despise lay people private especially those who have them rumbled.

Oh and Catholic bishops are the top of the tree regarding child abuse, homosexuality and cover up.

14 per cent – I bet it’s higher and imagine there are 400,000 priests in the world – imagine 14 per cent are sexual predators. Astonishing and Astounding!

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, truly FUBAR!!

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Fubar 11:45, should we abandon the Church to them and gloat and troll, or stand up to them and go on fighting for justice in every way can during our lifetime for as long as it takes?

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Homosexuality and male-oriented *ephebophilia* (mid-to-late adolescents) certainly are related. Paedophilia *proper* (interest in prepubescent children), not so much. Distinctions are important, folks.

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Distinctions certainly are important, but only sensible ones. For example adults who are sexually attracted to adults vs those who are attracted to children. Your distinction is pointless and obviously intended to suggest homosexuals are paedophiles.

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4.58

Your comment goes some way in terms of our contemporary comprehension of these matters, manifestly crude in their assumption of finality. In one hundred years… they will be then as how now is viewed such terms as “ inverts” in the works of Freud.

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Loss of faith leading to wholesale sexual activity involving professors and seminarians.

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Has the sem from Larne left formation in Maynooth? He isn’t in the recent community photo.

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and planned export of hazing to England with connivance of a number of orders and dioceses internationally.

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Thanks, Bishop Pat at 5.45pm. As of the end of last month, departures from Maynooth have reduced the already small community to just 21. Of the 4 first years, 3 remain.

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12.18 Money Speaks. Freemasons. The Dead Can’t Speak. The black pudding simmered in Screaming Eagle was apparently an absolute credit to Chrissy yesterday. Bon Appetite all round. Washed down with large slugs of Zero Conscience.

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12.55
What went wrong in Maynooth you ask…. it happened in 1795.. when the British and the Irish Roman Catholic bishops colluded to keep the French Enlightenment and progressive continental thinking out of the island of Ireland.

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P.S
4.15
The collusion was successful until about 1991… lots of effort to dislodge them before that… but since 1991 we have been trying to get to where France was by 1840. In Education and Health in the Republic’ of Ireland, there is a long distance yet.

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The majority of clerical child sexual abuse is with boys – the corrupter of boys – the correlation therefore between a homosexual cleric and child abuse is simply a fact – whereas in an other context the link between homosexuality and child abuse is less tenuous.
Because the RCC is FUBAR is a fact but doesn’t mean if something is FUBAR that we desert like rats leaving a sunken vessel but it does mean you might have to fix the leak and throw other vermin over board.

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11.45. Fubar – not just the priesthood itself – very few vocations now – look at the bigger picture – complicit & Deliberately unidentified lay persons & facilitators are an issue too in church too if you have safeguarding concerns. Company men and women. That’ll be the next can of worms.

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I can’t imagine why any young man would consider priesthood given this. If my son declared a desire to become a priest, I would be disturbed.

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“Find out how much God has given you and from it take what you need; the remainder is needed by others”
Saint Augustine

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THE GARDAI

Pat, your comment is spot on – Joint Policing Committees members names read like a rogues gallery & close church connections & relatives of clergy & convicted criminals etc.

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Are 14 % of the police child abusers ? Are 14 % of the judiciary child abusers ? Are 14 % of teachers child abusers ? Are 14 % of lorry drivers child abusers ? No. I think not. The only group that possibly equal this 14 % figure will be found in Asian / Pakistani origin taxi drivers who work the night economy, as we have seen in many towns in the UK. Not a good group to be in company with, I would have thought. No matter which way you cut it, as some have attempted to do in comments today, minimising the figures as much as they can (eg. they were not convicted therefore can be considered innocent; a handful committed the vast majority of abuse cases etc.) this is shocking and should be earth shattering for the Catholic priesthood and anybody who thinks that it is a worthy calling that a young man should consider. As a priest of many decades, I most certainly have not for years encouraged a young man to consider the priesthood as a vocation, indeed I’ve put a number off, because it is toxic, dysfunctional, and dangerous as a place to live out a vocation. In the past it has damaged me and so many others. I do not want it to damage a new generation. I stay, but I plough a pretty independent furrow in retirement, and at my age (78) I don’t give a tinker’s toss for what the bishop thinks anymore. He’s as complicit as anybody in promoting a nonsense of priestly identity and culture which is dangerous.

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1.51pm. Would you be willing to open up your computer hard drive for inspection? Also, are you still living off a Church you hate, off which you’ve sponged for decades, by your own admission.

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@3:56 – yes I would happily open up my hard drive, if you’d like to see it. Nothing to hide at all, except my financial affairs, which I think quite reasonably should be between me and the tax man. Which brings me neatly to the next point / accusation about sponging. No, I do not sponge off the diocese. I receive nothing from them. My own finances and income put me well above the diocesan threshold for receiving a diocesan retirement stipend. I had to show them my tax return and my bank statements. I was refused any help because I was too well off. I also own my own house, thanks to family generosity / inheritance / money, so I don’t even get any housing, or housing allowance from the diocese. They don’t even make a contribution to my gas and electric ! I ministered for almost 50 years for this diocese. So, no I don’t sponge, I am quite independent, and conscious of my good fortune in being so and not having to rely on that lot for anything, as most of my clergy colleagues have to do. It gives me great independence and autonomy. If I think the bishop is talking bollocks, I can tell him. Such freedom ! Satisfied ?

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8:48 I think you’ll find serving priests normally do, that’s the deal. Just like you live off McDonald’s.

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Yes I thought it was a great comment, too. And 3:56, nobody with nothing illegal on their hard drive would have anything to fear from having their drive scrutinized.
Years ago when I was even poorer than I am now a friend gave me an old computer which in turn had been given to her by her boss in the law firm she worked in. The boss obviously didn’t know about computer cookies and I’m afraid my friend could never look him in the eye again after I told her the sites he had been to!

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1:05pm “Please do NOT disturb, we are ALREADY disturbed”. That’s what you need to advise your sons ❤️. “God is everywhere, love him & believe in him as he loves & believes in you. Observe actions & do not be swayed by conciliatory & empty dialogue. Our youth & our elderly, sick or vulnerable are particularly susceptible. That is well documented & proven worldwide.

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1:51pm – yes, listening to the tremor in the voice of poor Fr Michael Commane in his radio interview clearly demonstrated the mental toll & anguish placed on priests who took their vows with the best of intentions. There are many ways to serve God, sadly the RCC seems to be a most toxic environment in which to try to do that & it’s also very alienating & disappointing for those of us who have inadvertently fallen foul of the current self interested regime.

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11:45pm – the hair would stand on your head if you knew some of the things that are done without asking family. Control, Control – that’s the name of the Game from Day One. We knew an elderly nun whose idea of “hitting back her frustration” was taking buns to the cow house & enjoying eating them there because it reminded her of when she had to pretend she needed toilet break to get away from nun who was sent to watch her when her mother was on deathbed, no privacy allowed & no risk taken in case her family would sway her to escape. Not allowed to accept dinner from family to ensure return to convent at night. Trained & Professional Control in all nooks & crannies of life.

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Listening to Robert’s latest video referenced at 1.51 and reading Pat’s comments, I am beginning to think a huge clash of personalities will emerge. Robert is speaking in “castastrophising” terminology suggesting that he’ll be beheaded like John the Baptist because of his passion for truth and justice, that he’ll have awful tho God done go him, his family or his property. I support anyone who want the full truth unveiled. I support Robert in that quest but I believe he should draw tigether a group of goid, professional peopke, lay and clerical who may offer a new hope, opportunity for healing, a forum for speaking the truth and inspire a prayerful, spiritual renewal for all who are interested. There are some wonderful gospel inspired and faith visioned wirks being done by religious, laity and clergy. For quite some years I have advocated for a designated professional “team” for the support of the psychological and spiritual wellbeing of clergy. Robert’s constant reminder of a judgment coming is apt. We will all stand before God one day. Robert gas my prayers for his mission. I somehow think that his way and Pat’s way at solving problems is at total variance. I opt for the olive branch of mercy, kindness, understanding and Christ likeness in helping troubled priests in their brokenness.

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@3:27 Are you trying to be mischievous by saying you think Pat and Roberts way at solving problems is at total variance? Let them develop an appropriate strategy. Their work does not only concern troubled priests in their brokenness. I have called for an Irish Church Truth and Reconciliation Forum on this blog a number of times. Maybe it’s a possible direction to take?

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R and I are different people with different views.

Our common aim is get truth and justice for all Church and priest victims.

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One of the most striking things in the comments over the past few days is how (presumably) church people apparently don’t think people can work together, don’t see how people with different viewpoints can agree to differ but come together in a common cause. Its absolutely wiiiild and really doesn’t make them look very good.
If they just had the guts to say that they want Pat and Robert to fall out and would really rather they were dead, I might be able to work up an iota of respect for them.
I think they’re also very annoyed that Robert has referred to the likelihood of attempts to sabotage him. Those attempts look so less convincing when their subject has already commented on record that they will be happening…

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3:58 pm
Of course you are both different people with different views, Pat.
Surely Christians are called to be followers of Truth regardless of differences.

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Percentages make little sense and do not indicate the true scale of a problem unless they are accompanied by absolute figures. In other words, 14% of what?

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3.31

Incisive entirely…the Churchman’s statement carries the verb “ learning “ used frequently by Sean Brady and others. The Irish bishops ( Brady said categorically) claimed to be on “ a learning curve”, nonsense. They knew clearly….. for decades….. and in Rome for centuries. New Zealand trotting out the usual propaganda, but for mass communication and the media, they would still be acting as they did for so long…. and under direct orders from Ratzinger at the Roman desk he gathered control of the issues to himself.

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3.58
Does Church constitute bishops inclusively in your ecclesiology…. and priests separate?

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Robert, you’ve mentioned more than once now not being “bought off”. Has someone attempted to do so? (Not an attack, legit question)

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Well I’m getting message from women in bras, people say they will report me for abuse, etc.. God knows what the bastards will do. It’s literally that demonic. The bastards will stop at nothing it seems to protect the mafia. Anyway I”ve filled a report with Irish Gardai today to protect myself and my family. The bastards will have to try harder to take me down.

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If you get your hands on a spare bra I could do with a new one 😉

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5.08

If you have the means, it would be more prudent and sure to have your own private security, if that is your opinion of your situation. Euphemism can be prudent too.

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https://apnews.com/article/europe-religion-spain-sexual-abuse-by-clergy-sexual-abuse-4c9ca97ad34d2ce9d34bc98fdb4060a4

Spanish ombudsman set to probe church sex abuse
By JOSEPH WILSON
yesterday

” BARCELONA, Spain (AP) — Spain’s prime minister wants to task the nation’s ombudsman with the country’s first official investigation into the depth of sexual abuse committed by Roman Catholic clergy. The decision by Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez, head of Spain’s Socialist Party, was reported Sunday by the Spanish newspaper El País and confirmed by the government to The Associated Press.”

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5.18

Yesterday and in the last few days as today, much has been made of a sense of humour. You cite laughter in your comment. Do you know that in medieval times and for sometime before, the Christian Church taught that laughter was of and close to the Devil ( their paradigms, not mine)?

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3.58: Pat, I accept that you and Robert are two totally divergent people in attitude towards the church, priesthood and Catholic communities and in your approach about trying to heal the woundedness and malaise of priesthood and church. There are many who strive daily at personal levels to be truly faithful and “authentic” in their lives as priests, albeit with great struggles at times. Truth and justice are aspirations for many of us in our parishes and I believe that many priests would support a totally new approach in dealing with contemporary issues facing an aging presbyteral priesthood. Sometimes because of aging, less personnel, the difficulty of getting volunteers and tasks of daily expectations can be overwhelming to the point of despair and illness. That is why there is an urgency about the conversation which Robert is initiating and which he has asked you to be part of. I do not doubt your mission and if you and Robert get together, I pray that something good and different will emerge. 3.52 and 4.08: I am not trying to be mischievious. People with different views can of course work together and I trust this will happen. Since Robert Nugent appeared as a person of substance and significance and, since like Pat, he is public about his mission, I am positive about any initiative by both Pat and Robert to dialogue with as many as possible in a respectful, trusting and honest way. Otherwise any project is doomed. We know that there are many who would wish for Robert and Pat to shrink away and fail.

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I’m 4:08 and appreciate both your comments today. Mine, although tacked on after yours, wasn’t intended to be a retort, I was thinking of the number of comments the past few days insinuating things about Pat and Robert and hoping for disaster. – obviously from clerics with dodgy stuff going on.

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https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/italys-church-needs-child-sex-abuse-inquiry-vatican-advisor.931696

Italy’s Church needs child sex abuse inquiry – Vatican advisor

” After a string of investigations exposing paedophile priests across the globe, it is time for Catholic-majority Italy to hold its own reckoning, a top advisor to the Vatican told AFP.
Hans Zollner, a German Jesuit priest on Pope Francis’s commission to protect minors, was speaking after the latest such probe, in Germany, accused former pope Benedict XVI of inaction on sexual abuse cases.
“There are cases of sexual abuse against minors in all parts of the world, in all sectors of society and also in the Church,” including in Italy, said Zollner.”

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Yes, it’s all about “keeping up appearances” – report to guards, hire a solicitor, a well used delaying tactic & it makes them “look” like they are “addressing” issues & “some” guards & solicitors are their pals so this also part of the “wear them out” tactic in top of the actual wrongdoing & abuse done to the victim. No transparency for victims but plenty coming the opposite direction towards victims who make legitimate complaints.

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Is that Fr Michael Casey’s mother? – Fr Michael led a highly successful campaign to defy his Bishop & succeeded in not being moved from his local parish in West Clare & his brother Fr Tony Casey also stationed down the road also known to be like a territorial terrier when poor Fr Kevin McNamara used to come home to his native village in Western Clare. Rest in Peace Fr McNamara & Mrs Casey.

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Bishop Pat, I do hope you will encourage Robert Nugent to make personal amends for the way he’s treated Fr Anderson online. I do appreciate what Robert’s doing, but that is a case in which Robert was dishing out the “gaslighting” and intimidation against a victim of the same church machinery that Robert now fears.

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Amend how exactly? Anything I said I stand over. I wish he never involved me by contacting me to “inform” me about what was happening and ask for Mass intentions (I wasn’t born yesterday) and to tell me that Buckley has stuff on his blog. (That is how I heard about this blog from him) Time now to man up and move on. As men we need to deal with our problems. If he wants to talk I’m available. This 2 year sulk has to end and we need to talk things out as men and move forward. Let’s stop with the proxy skirmish and just be men who can face each other. He has my contact details, if he is unhappy call me. I’m sincerely praying he moves forward in his ministry. I know dozens of men who have suffered infinity worse and who are able to battle forward. I’m a man who wants to help if people can’t see that from my personal videos on my channel that what can I do? TALK TO ME NOT TO A BLOG!

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Michael Deegan died in 1994 – March to be exact. Mr. Nugent keeps saying it was 20 years ago. It’s actually 28 years ago.

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Indeed, he would be about the same age as myself today had they not bullied him putting gay porn in his room. Beyond horrific that young man went into seminary trying his best and he was bullied to death.

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Maybe we could direct our posts on here to Robert Nugent instead as he often tends to reply. Pat seems far more selective in replying to those who challenge him in a fair way. Just an observation as this now seems to be a duel blog.

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https://www.abuseincare.org.nz/our-progress/library/v/194/tawharautia-purongo-o-te-wa-interim-report
This is presumably the report. I would reserve judgement on this. A French report by Jean-Marc Sauvé alleged 330,000 abuse victims when in fact there were 2,738 reports. The figure was apparently reached by taking it that each abuser committed a high number of assaults. Pope Francis cancelled his meeting with the author of the report, perhaps after a La Croix report on eight members of the Catholic Academy of France highlighted fatal methodological errors in the report and castigated a ‘a weak exegesis, an outdated moral theology.’ There was also the hysteria which followed a claim there was evidence of concealed mass grave in the grounds of Kamloops residential school. Nothing has been found there barring one bone. It did not stop a national hysteria and an orchestrated campaign of church burnings which a Year 0 aspect to it.
I believe that Church leaders in New Zealand are accepting the reports, but bishops here and in many, many places are quite happen to see long dead priests brothers and nuns, who cannot defend themselves, attacked remorselessly. The evidence when studied is far more nuanced with good and bad. They can claim that was the ‘bad old rigid Church’ that they are against. I bet Irish bishops won’t be so eager to throw Maynooth and its staff under the bus like they did with elderly nuns and brothers. Yet Michael Deegan RIP appears to have been one of the victims of a place whose state shocked the Apostolic Visitation team ten years ago.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIC,_St._Patrick%27s_Campus,_Thurles

MIC, St. Patrick’s Campus, Thurles

Past students and people associated with the college:

Rev. Dr. Thomas O’Connor was the first president (1837-1847) when the college opened with just 18 students.[3] Presidents of the college have included Dr. Patrick Leahy, Canon Arthur Ryan(1887-190?), Canon Garret Cotter, Monsignor James J. Ryan J.C.B., Rev. Nicholas Cooke(1925-1936), Rev. Daniel M. Ryan, Rev. Francis Ryan (1957-19??), Rev. Canon Augustine O’Donnell (1972-1987),[17] Dr. William Lee (1987–1993) Mgr. Christy O’Dwyer MA (1993–2004) and Fr. Tom Fogarty BA, MA, (2004-2015). Fr. Fogarty is also a former manager of both the Tipperary and Offaly hurling teams

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Has the Daniel O’Donnell Cruise set sail yet? Hoping they might have room for some Fiddlers on The Green spotted as being up to no good at the Christmas Pantomime. Ssssh, she’s behind you!

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I wonder if “Mr in Soiuthampton” could be PB JP Lyttle ? Southampton is in Portsmouth Diocese, where we last heard JP was dong “special projects” for the diocese. Maybe he’s reaching out to + Pat. If so, I hope he listens to + Pat.

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8.08: What a cowardly, ignorant and morally reprehensible question to ask! Inky someone really afraid of the TRUTH would ask so abusive a question. Yiu are THE moral coward because you wouldn’t have the balls to identify yourself or say that to Robert’s face. You are a troll bully. Shame..

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I’d happily wager it’s a lot less than you have on your vows bullying troll. Your days are numbered.

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@8:08pm you won’t silence Robert that handy, you’re not dealing with defenceless victims this time.

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Pat – Either Dom Anderson was treated unjustly or he was not. My understanding is that you believe he was treated unjustly.
It is a fact that RN did indeed indulge in gaslighting the Dom A and now – in your newfound friendship with RN you allow him to use your blog to accuse Dom Anderson of sulking and insisting he needs to man up and get on with life. Isn’t he aware that at his lowest Dom A felt his only recourse was to use your blog to seek justice?
And now RN wasn’t us to take him seriously as a crusader for truth and justice for men who are being treated unjustly by the church?

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Honestly I’d like to take RN at his word, that he’s sincere and cares about justice in the Church in the same way this blog does, but his approach to this whole Silverstream issue makes me extremely skeptical of his ability to be the crusader he wants to portray himself to be.

There is absolutely nothing ambiguous about the Silverstream matter, as anyone who has read this blog or the other reporting on it can testify. Everything is very well documented. RN trusts Pat on everything else but not this?

RN goes forward willfully blind because of an irrational commitment to a guru figure. That’s his business, but as for me, I am unwilling to give him any credence.

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My concern about the connectivity between Pat and Robert is that one of them will get very very hurt – emotionally, spiritually or mentally. I do not wish this on either of them as their quest for TRUTH regarding issues is essential. But something is not quite right with this “friendship.” It’s as if they are competing for space. And so far, I am in admiration of Robert’s passion. We know of Pat’s passion. I sincerely hope my antennae are wrong.

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Many are products of their environments. Put a baby banana in a splint Fair chance it will grow to be straight

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@847pm Sean same could be said of putting two divorcees on the throne and they will highlight the rot the C of E was first built on.

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HOW-HI FLY.
Golly begorra so true hi many are the products of their environs.
And an animal caged is a caged animal going in circles.
Humans can influence their environs just like their thinking.
Has a homosocial environment for a budding priest past its sell by date.
The big wigs will have to decide on it.
May the Lord Bless All +
Bye Bye Fly Hi.

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Pat, I would like to talk to you about a young priest’s behaviour. I feel the public ought to be aware. I need someone I can trust.
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Bishop, when you received the Knights of Malta letter in the post was it sent anonymously with a note enclosed along with it?

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1:09pm and if you shouldn’t have taken it in the first place, do the decent thing & return it.

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I can only imagine that it will just be a short matter of time before the full extent of sexual abuse of seminaries around the world will be exposed.

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