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THE SINGING PRIESTS SING IN LARNE TO CELEBRATE THE 70 TH ANNIVERSARY OF QUEEN ELIZABETH II

SEMINARIAN HOMOSEXUALLY BULLIED IN THURLES COMMITTED SUICIDE.

MICHAEL DEEGAN is the name of the seminarian who committed suicide in the 1994 in St Patrick’s Seminary, Thurles.

He would have only been 20 / 21 years old and he was found hanging behind a curtain in one of the seminaries lecture halls by a visitor to the seminary.

During his time in the seminary he was the victim of extreme homosexual stalking and harassment. People were putting sexually explicit notes under his room door and were leaving homosexual pornography on his bed.

One night he was found in a very bad emotional state on the corridor by a fellow seminarian who is now a priest of an English diocese. For now he wants to keep his identity hidden so we will call him FATHER A.

Father A brought Michael and the pornographic material to a member of staff whom we will call FATHER B. Father B sympathised with Michael, agreed that the material and bullying was awful and held on to the material.

WILIE LEE – THURLES PRESIDENT

We do not know if Father B reported the matter to the seminary president reported the matter to the archbishop of Cashel or indeed to anyone else.

I supplied the IRISH INDEPENDENT newspaper with the story and supporting evidence. The journalist involved even interviewed Father A.

The journalist then, in fairness, asked the president and Father B for a comment. The presidentq said nothing and lawyers for Father B denied that he had not been approached by Michael and Father A – and basically threatened the IRISH INDEPENDENT with a law suit.

However I was well aware from the time I heard this story that there may very well be a criminal aspect to the story. I contacted the Garda and started that ball rolling.

Father A is 100% sure about his version of events and has made a full statement to the Garda.

I have also tried to contact, in as sensitive a way as I can, members of the Deegan family who live in Birr, Co. Offaly. To date I have not heard back from them.

They may not want such a painful wound reopened?

But I have been haunted by the thoughts of the plight of Michael since I heard the story. It is a question of JUSTICE as well as a human question.

Surely poor Michael cries out for justice from beyond the grave.


We can also not allow his death to be another horrific secret that the Irish Catholic Church wants to keep buried – just like the bodies of the 700 babies the nuns buried and hid in a sewerage tank in Tuam.

Jesus told us that a good tree CANNOT bear bad fruit.

I would like Michael Deegan’s death and suffering to be the subject of a thorough Garda inquiry.

And if there are guilty parties they need to be made feel the weight of the criminal law.

I’m told that at least one of Michael’s torturers was ordained a priest and still works in an Irish Catholic Diocese!

How does this man live with himself?

What kind of harm is he still doing?

I have given his name, Father B’s name and several other names to the Garda.

Let us hope that Michael’s tragic death and suffering will not go unpunished for too much longer.

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268 replies on “THE SINGING PRIESTS SING IN LARNE TO CELEBRATE THE 70 TH ANNIVERSARY OF QUEEN ELIZABETH II”

I just think it is so upsetting to imagine what Michael Deegan went through. If people know information and are refusing to come forward, they are just as guilty as the bastards who brought Michael to his unfortunate death. I would love to see a day where those animals who tormented Michael are named, shamed and, with the help of God, prosecuted, convicted and locked away never to see the light of day again. #Justice4MichaelDeegan

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I agree with what you say. It is most distressing for me to learn about the suicide in Thurles. It really puts a cold shiver down my spine because I did my 4 year teaching Degree in St. Patrick’s College, Thurles (graduated in 2018). While I was there there was no plaque of memorial in acknowledgement of poor Michael Deegan. Students including myself and others were walking around those very same corridors without realising the horrors that took place there. There was obviously a big cover up. Students and college staff have a right to know what happened there and of course there should be a memorial plaque on the college grounds. Also distressing that Fr. Tom Fogarty would have known all the details of the incident and was college president for many years in the college. The information should be put on there. There is no news archive with details of the incident. Little or no information online. It is terrible. I remember walking the very same corridors with other classmates. These corridors upstairs are where the seminarians would have been living. We could see the rooms with beds and sinks, etc. Very disturbing and upsetting to think what went on there. Why didn’t he just run away? I’m guessing he was frightened he wouldn’t be believed. Did he not have family that want a full investigation into what happened?
I don’t know how he died. Maybe he jumped from the floors above. Everything has been covered up.

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Poor Michael. That is so upsetting. During my time there, Father Tom seemed like a very genuine person and a gentleman to his fingertips. Perhaps he has already made peace with the family and was requested not to ever talk about it. I have no idea, but regardless of the circumstances there should at least be a memorial plaque erected on the college premises. I imagine that the new college staff are not even aware of the scandal and the current president Dr. Finn O Murchu. It gives me the creeps to think that I was physically there on the premises for four years and never knew anything about it. This was obviously meticulously covered up almost like the CIA or M16.

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The suicide of Sean Farrell was hushed up in Birmingham many moons ago – he wasn’t a seminarian he was a few years ordained- complete lack of pastoral care and clearly felt unsupported and alone. This much I know – no one mentioned his name again – classic clerical manoeuvre it was as if he never existed. Don’t mention Sean was the 3 Line Whip and remains so to this day.
Why? I’m not sure – clergy are remarkably gifted at zero dialogue or discussion about difficult issues and want anything that reflects badly on them closed down pretty quickly.
The dead speak from beyond the grave for justice or lessons to learnt and for openness and transparency.
What are they afraid of?
Like today’s blog there is a backstory of lack of pastoral care, incompetency and keeping stum so that the true story remains hidden.

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@5.29am People have been very quick to easily dismiss your question about the sudden death of Fr Tony Corr. I find it an interesting coincidence that Fr Tony Corr was ordained from Thurles in 1994 the same year Michael Deegan sadly took his own life. I am in no way connecting the two whatsoever but it is a weird coincidence when someone like you is questioning the circumstances of Fr Tony Corr’s sudden death at 57. A former CID detective friend once told me that with his work he never liked coincidences

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9.35: This three worded comment is outrageous, completely insensitive and regrettable. Just imagine this priest’s family reading such a cold, crass and clinical comment. I hope you’re not a priest or a “therapist”. You violate basic decency and humanity.

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Sean was introverted and shy whilst at Oscott. His best friends were Michael Gamble (Birmingham) and David Gassor (Plymouth). He liked whiskey (Irish), but this seemed to be in moderation when he was a student. He would have been a student under Fr Michael Raiswell (Shrewsbury), also quiet and introverted who taught liturgy and not long after leaving, Oscott hung himself. There was also another seminarian for Birminghan, Martin Smith, who joined in 1993 and left a year later and committed suicide shortly after. He was pretty flamboyant and a good looking lad. I wouldn’t say Oscott was a harsh place, but it lacked warmth and empathy. Pat McKinney and David Evans were rector and vice-rector – both were odd, and both are now bishops!

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Fr B is clearly Fr Christy O’Dwyer. He succeeded Willie Lee and Pat did ask on the blog who had succeeded Willie Lee? Stands to reason he was in charge when Michael Deegan killed himself.

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Fr B was Fr Tom Fogarty because if you click on Pat Buckley’s related blogs on this same topic Pat names Fr B as him.

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All was not rosie in the Garden when Fr. Gus O Donnell was president before Fr .Willie Lee. I was A student in the 1980s In Thurles. I was not ordained and it was in Thurles l lost my vocation., Becuase of the atmosphere of the place. I did not experience Gay culture there. However A number of students were dismissed /expelled in one go mid term, including A third Divinity student who was about to apply for ordination to Diaconate. Excuses was vague and unbelievable.

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“If you’re neutral in situations of injustice, you have “chosen” the side of the oppressor”
Archbishop Desmond Tutu

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@11.22pm You repeat yourself again with this same quote from yesterday. I wonder why Tutu kept quiet about the death of Stompey Sepei and more importantly Winnie Mandela’s involvement in that terrible crime. Who was the oppressor then who kept his mouth shut. Empty words.

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Tutu was such a wise man and exerted more Christianity than the RC Church itself. I hope that the culprits are seeing this. You know who you are and if you think you can walk free in this world, there is a place in the next world where you will be heading to.

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Pat @10.50am Fr Tony was always a Dromore Priest. The diocese is still a diocese in its own right whoever is running the show until and if that changes.

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And what an odd lot the Dromore clerical lot are/were, certainly back 30/40 years ago when I was more “involved.”
My long deceased uncle, a PP there was a real “smoothie” always fawning up to the parish noteables. As a child I holidayed with him occasionally and in my innocence simply saw his privileged life as part of ‘the job’, just like all his clerical buddies similarly privileged.
I’ve never contributed a penny to the RCC throughout my adult life. And before youse start yapping I’ve had monthly charitable standing orders running now for 30+ years.

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I have asked the Gardai in Thurles to look into the case given the information that various people are coming forward with. I also spoke to the coroners office told get a copy of the report. Ir is unacceptable the those in leadership allowed this bullying and this isn’t isolated. We are morally obliged to ensure this never happens again. I’ve spoken to ex-seminarians who recently left maynooth and there is still the same environment of coverup, abuse and tuning a blind eye. This has to end. You can’t cancel people who want answers.

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Robert could you kindly consider not using the term “guys” to refer to people in general. It is an irritating Americanism. Just asking and saying.

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9.44am have you ever heard of guys & dolls…….so what if he says guys or dolls for that matter!!!!

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11.39
Mr Nugent, the more correct way to conclude your comment would be thus: ‘I’ve spoken to ex-seminarians who have recently left Maynooth and in the view of one/some/all of them there is still the same environment of coverup, abuse and turning a blind eye.’
You show poor judgement to write your comment the way you did. If you have evidence of criminal activity, you ought to know what to do with it since you present yourself as a man with a mission.
One would expect that you would have better first-hand knowledge of seminaries you attended and belonging to your former religious order. Have you made similar comments in a public forum about these?

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Im afraid Robert that your division of Irish Catholic affairs into two two distinct forms of abuse, the sexual abuse of infants placed in the care of clerical institutions – schools, orphanages, corrective institutions; and then young people who had entered into seminaries abused by their homosexual professors. But in fact this is the same abuse perpetrated on different non-consenting groups. You and Pat Buckley both think that that is the limit of the problem, while in fact that is really just the same problem, but that is to ignore an abused group that is far larger and who have nothing to do with sexuality, one of them with strong motives not to speak out as they would not be believed and the other not to speak out as they would shame tge family.

The irish government got the Church to pay up 1.6m Euros to pay for the sexual abuse scandal of the innocent, but now we are coming to those who cannot speak for shame, either because they are going to be preaching against it when graduate. I they have nothing against sexual activity among consenting adults but the self deception has become so engrained, they don’t know where to turn. The two priests welcoming Pope Paul to ireland are both fathers in the biological sense, while the Pope himself is conducting a long term private correspondence with a married woman. But it is nit really surprising as one has only to follow Pat’s blog for a few months to realise that the quality of exchange between the correspondents is so abusive and uncharitable that one is left feeling that there is nothing that such people would not stoop to.
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But those I’m talking about were infants who were not abused, but made into un-people by tge clerics. They were deprived of their mothers – and some times they were sold abroad, used to test drugs on for a fee or sold to the medical schools for anatomy lessons. But the main deprivation was that they were deprived of an identity and never knew who they were; and this particular metaphysical transformation was effected on them in the wider society by the teaching of conventional priests. They who were telling the faithful that they had the power to forgive sin by virtue of the sacrament of Holy Orders, but the only miracle they managed to perform was that the could convince congregations that such infants were ‘the products of sin’. The forgiveness of sin, it appears, was not absolute as the priest’s prayers were required so the dead might be freed from their sins in the next life.

But what about these innocent children who had to live their lives without mothers, and therefore no roots in the community. The Irish state today has set aside €800m to compensate such children with their Mothers and Babies scheme, but what’s a few thousand euros in exchange for ones mother and an identity in a society obsessed with identity, much of it theological. . The government talks about ‘restorative recognition’. I never heard any cleric speak about what they might do for these people, never heard of any change that they might effect for these lost citizen most of whom emigrated’ or at least emigrated out of the isles of churches.

I don’t expect to hear their grievances addressed from any pulpit until the churches are empty.

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This is a very disturbing story. The death of a seminarian because of abuse and torment. Pat, was it Robert who brought this to your attention and did his video re: student spur you to devote your blog to the matter? Are both of you working together to seek the full truth or are you working independently of each other? I think that discussing this without family permission may be an intrusion too far for this family. The fact that the family hasn’t returned a call to you may suggest their deep upset and uneasiness to pursue this matter. Why has this only come to the attention now of you and Robert? Can you confirm if you are both together on this matter?

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I have been blogging about this story for 5 years.

Somebody different approached Robert.

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Correct neither Pat or Me are fuelling or making up this story. It came to us both completely separately. We will keep the pulse on this and ensure there is closure for the Poor man and other seminarians. We are NOT trying to stir the pot or destroy lives. This is not a vindictive investigation. But guys we need answers, we really do. We also need support to close the wounds of abuse. Are we not morally obliged to end this once and for all? Any abuse or anonymous harassment that either Pat or I get about asking questions will be immediately reported to Gardai/Police. We are asking legitimate questions about real abuse that caused a young man to go into depression and take his life. I will upload the letter on this to the channel today.

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To be fair to Pat, although Robert Nugent has recently taken up this case (fair play to him) , for years Pat has been highlighting it and other Thurles cases. I don’t think either are in competition but this issue has been around for years, with no give from the Church.

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Seamus @10.58am My post was addressed to Robert you boring twat. Is your name Robert Nugent? No! So do one and myob mush.

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11.18am you got out of the wrong side of a bed this morning. This is a public blog which means anybody can make a comment so go back to bed astor.

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@11.55am As I said dimwit my post was addressed to Robert Nugent. Is your name Robert Nugent also? How many are there? I bet people often find you sticking your oar and two pennies worth into other people’s buisness. You better get back to your net curtains gasbag.

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Is this guy Nugent going to appear in every post?
What’s your fascination with him, Pat?
He’s a header.

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1.36AM – its great to have Robert on this blog giving his information – he is helping Pat to get to the route of all evil wrongdoings so he and Pat will be working together. Its great to see them both working to find closure where possible, on these horific happenings.

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By coming out and owning my sexuality I have been better able to protect myself from this kind of bullying. When I was in the closet, I was the target of homosexual bullying by an older, self-loathing homosexual man. I was conventionally attractive, pious, a virgin, naive and emotionally fragile — the perfect target for these sorts of bullies. The bullying I experienced is worse than any kind of homophobia I have ever received from a heterosexual person. At times, the gay community can be its own worst enemy.

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There is nothing that Eugene O’Hagan (my big ego) won’t do for a bit of publicity. As a nationalist I recognise that Queen Elizabeth has given faithful service to her country but why are these 3 clowns singing for a foreign monarch whose troops and state forces tortured us for years. O’Hagan et al are the worst narcissists I have ever come across in the RCC. He lives a life of privilege in a house provided and paid for by the hard earned pounds of the sheep of the RCC. His “job” is to sit in a salubrious office in bishop blings mansion in the leafy Somerton rd and protect bling. He constantly seeks publicity for himself. Everything is about him. A truly nauseating man. I’m sure the people of his native Derry are so proud of him. Or does he now call it Londonderry? To put the cherry on the top, they should have invited Brit loving Eugene O’Neill to give the benediction. Perhaps the Orange order will book these three warblers to sing the sash on the 12th. I’ve no doubt O’Hagan would do it if the cameras were there. He and his cronies are the lowest of the low

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I think your use of the word ‘clowns’ says it all, and accurately describes the idiotic, self-serving behaviour of these three, who from a young age have used the excuse of sharing their ‘gift’ as a means of putting themselves in the limelight and making sure that it is all about them. How many religious people have I come across who use this ‘God has given me a gift that I must share’ as a way of putting themselves front and centre ? I’m sure their respective parishes would like to see a bit more of them, rather than having them conspicuous by their absence as by their presence. Or maybe not ?! Imagine being assailed by those pompous voices at every opportunity, as they break in to song ! I’m sure the Prods who were at that service found another reason to be grateful that they had been spared Roman Catholicism – the Priests !

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Perhaps the current Bishop of Kilmore, Bishop Martin Hayes, could shed light on this. He was, after all, a member of staff in Thurles at that time. Then again, he is presently missing in action from Kilmore diocese for unknown reasons. Fr John Littleton was also on the staff teaching Scripture. He fell out with Archbishop Clifford of Cashel & Emly though as did many Cashel & Emly priests during his reign. That diocese lost quite a few priests because of him. The few who remained loyal to him tended to climb the ladder.

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I wonder if Fr Sugar Ray will make a special guest appearance to sing for her majesty. Once he returns from the high seas, of course.

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Name and shame Pat, the only person entitled to protection is Father A, if what you say is true you have nothing to fear.

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Given all the threats against you Pat and Robert Nugent should Fr A from Brentwood not be worried too for his own safety in England? Just an observation on my part.

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Needs a decent crowd, and as long as the group are genuinely peacefully praying for people and not at people, and not just to be seen front and centre. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.

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Shame on the entire clerical fraternity, priests and bishops, for their complicit silence in so much suffering of fellow human beings. All they seem to think of is themselves, careers, finance and Rome.

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Self murder is not the solution. Don’t ever give them the satisfaction. Always talk nice to yourself and make yourself you’re own best friend and look after yourself and your health. Get away from the toxic dysfunctional people and situation and reinvent yourself in a nice simple life, along with prayer all this will help. God Bless

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Name da names Pat. They will deny everything (Fr A excepted) all the paperwork will mysteriously go missing and they will hope it all goes away. They won’t sue, their tactic in recent years has been to allege defamation and have the relevant blog posts removed by Google. The Captain and the King are particularly adept at this. Google either of them and have a look at the results.

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Pat at 9:03 The classic move of any dodgy business. Luckily nowadays that clearly tells the public you are either incompetent or, more likely, have something to hide.
Other church examples are Fort Augustus Abbey school where literally not a single record of the school remains despite there being comprehensive archives of the abbey, and Downside Abbey where a monk admitted taking staff records out to a bonfire.
Yet Benedictines apparently kept the lamp of learning alive with their libraries and manuscripts.
Go figure, guys.

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In reality a few records are likely to go missing through error or else a whole portion of them may be destroyed in a fire or flood.
For the whole records of a seminary just to be missing is not credible.

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There must have been a decision made by the local bishop at the time to destroy all student records when Thurles ceased to be a seminary a few years ago.

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Maybe hidden initially Pat but will be destroyed after today’s blog, if not already destroyed.

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Yes any not destroyed now will likely be unless they contain anything that could be of use to someone.
I think the fact the seminary records are AWOL is the best indication Pat and Robert are worrying the right bone, along with the abusive comments of course.

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I have asked Pat to let the comments flow. As I’m doing a video on the abuse some people have suffered. But just so you are aware I have legal support in the US to get WordPress to release IP details of certain comments via a court order. An association of RC faithful in the US have contacted me to help me with the legal side from the US. So we can have the banter and fun, but when lines of crossed there will be more. I want Pat Buckley to independently continue to investigate abuse and coverup, nobody will shut him down. If they take Pat out, we (laymen) will take over. But we have to be careful to ensure how when we comment on people is kept to the point and focused on the abuse. Otherwise comments like yours deflects from the abuse that is actually happening. So feel free to comment Pat isn’t filtering what is coming against me. However be aware what I’m coming with. God comes with mercy first, before he comes in Judgment you won’t have time to flee. People coming after my family will be getting a knock on the door soon, they have no idea the man I am and the legal lengths I’m prepared to take to end this.

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Robert @ 9.41am Fair play to you and Pat for the work you are both doing. As regards the comments if ye look at todays from early morning, I mean after 12AM and all morning in between genuine comments the same commenter is putting in silly off the mark comments that Im sure everyone will agree, should not be put on the blog. The are critical and offensive to Robert. Just a though to think about.

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I’m not going to lie, I think seeing the names of those publishing those comments here would be the biggest scoop by this blog of all time.

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In the comments today will we hear the ‘sure it’s only a few bad apples’ excuse?
The 3 D’s of avoiding accountability:
Deny, Deflect and Dismiss.

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When I was a student in Rome, a quarter of my class were active homosexually, including me, though we considered ourselves relatively chaste because of the four I know (including me), we were each just sexually intimate with one person, ie we were two sets of couples. There was no cruising, gay bars, it was before the days of Grindr.

All four of us left during formation and two of us (including me) are married with children now.

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1:37 Thank you for your comment.
Did you get an impression of the sexuality of the remaining three quarters of your year? I was interested by a recent comment from a former Maynooth seminarian who said that a number of other seminarians honestly thought they were straight but other people would have thought they were gay.

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5.53pm

It was hard to judge, really. I was there in the 1990s. Sexuality was taboo and wasn’t much talked about then, either formally or informally among the students. There was none of the talk about women you get when straight men are together, but I think that was because of the prevailing atmosphere about such talk not seeming appropriate, somehow.

I only know there were four because my friend and I made two, and two were asked to leave when discovered. There had been rumours about them, but not about me, as far as I know. We left on good terms with the authorities.

As for the rest of the sems, I don’t know. I assumed they weren’t that interested in anything sexual, or certainly didn’t express it. I’ve discovered afterwards that someone being stereotypically straight was not a definite indicator that they are.

I think I ended up in my situation because of a mix of the intensity of the friendship and being far from home. We were both virgins and didn’t do that much sexually; it was like a holiday romance. We loved one another and both knew it was wrong and we felt guilty.

The whole thing lasted a term and a bit. When we came back to Rome after the Christmas break we both seoarately but simultaneously had decided it had to end.

I think fondly of it now, and we are Facebook friends after losing touch for many years, but we don’t really talk about what happened, though we both I think feel happy with the memory of it and a little bit uncomfortable given our present situation as married men whose wives don’t know our secret.

It was a lovely thing in a lovely city, in an environment (seminary) where affection was indeed present, but often expressed in a very stilted and removed way, and where people were already mastering the art of being self-contained and where, if the authorities turned against you, could be very cruel indeed.

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@ 9:23: And I’ve heard rumours. Will follow them up through a usually reliable source in Loughinisland. Will of course share here, avoiding ID’ng the lady in question.

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Pat do you drive? It’s strange seeing a priest travel round belfast on an electric scooter when his parish is in the city centre, utter laziness

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Eugene OHagan loves leaving bloody voicemails on my phone about all the complaints from parishioners, when was the last time this man had to do a honest days work

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9.21

Record them before deleting your answering machine. That will put a stop to his industrious gallop.

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9.24::: Fantastico….are the flames still burning…or are you moving on to another phase… multi open liaisons….as your type do!!

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Well I’m gay and I’ve only had sex with three men in my life.
Perhaps it would help if you had a go at seeing people as they are rather than caricaturing them as types? Very lazy and ultimately stupid.

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My impression of Robert is that he is faithful to his wife and regards masturbation as a sin.

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The intimidation isn’t going to work. You’re not dealing with a scared helpless seminarian this time.

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9.57: An unnecessary piece of information. You are as vulgar as the mobsters. Disgusting. Robert will be very hurt as yet by this blog, led by comnents like this which are an attempt to diminish and denigrate him. What are you up to Pat?

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9.57: Pat – what’s the relevance of the end part if your comment? It’s meaningless in the context if the issue for today. Is it a snidecattempt by you to undermine Ribert? I predict a parting is minds soon….Two people vying for space to outdo each other as champions of truth and justice rarely succeeds. I would have greater confidence if there was a group established to pursue certain issues. But I hope you’ll both stay on course without variance of approach and too much insistence that you both stand alone on this issue. Someone will get very wounded.

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Not that he would need much persuasion, but I hope Fr S-R receives a royal command to sing for the queen.

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@ 9:50am
Patsy, how is this disgraceful man allowed to carry on causing scandal. Do you think we
should take you know who’s advice and write to Treanor and the Papal Nuncio to ask for an explanation. He is the Scandal of Christendom.

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10.01: At last, youre listening. Shouldn’t have taken 3 days. You also should, morally, ban other vulgar, abusive and threatening comments. Totally unacceptable, Pat.

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Robert insisted I allow the comments. He has now changed his mind on certain types of comments.

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What about the caves and tunnels under St Marys in Maynooth. They were blocked up in the 1920’s. They had been used by lay staff to move about unseen. But something sinister occurred in 1924/5

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It’s abhorrent & reprehensible to think that poor lad was driven to suicide in seminary & that those allegedly responsible were permitted to ordination by their Superiors. How they are Garda & Police vetted in these circumstances beggars belief. No doubt they have “tapped” into the poor lads family with some mumbo jumbo about it being in their best interests to “say nothing & to keep saying nothing”. Nothing is learned & nothing is achieved in terms of RC being able to guarantee a safe environment for new and incoming seminarians whilst these matters keep being covered up & the insults & threats toward Bishop Pat & Robert Nugent, his wife & children are legally & morally unconscionable. I hope you get the necessary cooperation & support from all of the relevant authorities to get justice for this young man & others like him.

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Neither Pat or myself get any enjoyment out of that. It’s just stress and abuse for ASKING A QUESTION. Such is life

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PK @ 10.57 – Could “Well” be the next “Tuam Septic Tank” type scenario. As the experienced Detective Inspector said “I do not like coincidences”. Well, Well, Well…………

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Is there any support program for the Survivors of Maynooth. To share and unpack their traumatic experiences of escape and staying alive?

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Fr Muredach Tuffy (Mayo) was at Maynooth in the late 1990s and his suicide, aged 39, was never explained. He was a gentle soul.

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The diocese hushed it up. The bishop attended the inquest, and the diocese even got the coroner not to use the term ‘suicide’ but ‘self-inflicted’. Some cosying up to the state by the church, I suspect.

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I went to a lot of trouble to find out what Bishop John Fleming homilised at that funeral. I almost got a word for word account. He sang of the man’s glory. Bishop Fleming had every detail about all that surrounded that priests sadness and the sadness of others ( Euphemism). But Fleming did his duty for the organisation ( he could do little else at a funeral). The carnage is everywhere…. Tim C of Cashel and Emily in the 1980s and others…..Willie Doherty of Armagh…. Treated appallingly….. died in a vehicle on train tracks in Italy…. The car stalled perhaps… The carnage is everywhere and so much of it… many other tragedies I am aware of…. The RC bishops ( and their priests and people) , popes and cardinals, they preach love, care and compassion in public…. it’s a pity it is so rarely extended in private…. where ruthlessness can so often be the order of the day. Cardinal Marx and the German Church are angling for change ( too late for many) on a subject which has caused many deaths. When homosexuality is confirmed as genetic and throughout the animal kingdoms, religions will look as pathetic as they are on the matter. ( That is not the reason for Fr. Muiredachs “ sadness “ insofar as I am aware. There is no forum for redress on truth in the RC Church.

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I never knew that had happened to Willie Doherty. Wasn’t he the deacon transferred from Rome to Maynooth by Tom Fee?

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9:25AM – “Hear”, “Hear”, – JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL DEEGAN. Stop the Rot. ❤️

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5.44
That is correct. He was treated in an appalling fashion. There was an exemplary priest who never shunned him and was so good to the Doherty family…Always. He did Willie Dohertys funeral. The family went out of their way to make sure no Armagh priest was at the funeral ( to my knowledge none of them were). Sean Brady and Michael Toner were vicious to him . It was not Tomas O Fiachs greatest hour, but he did go the family home to say Willie was not being ordained. It was a phone call to Italy on the bill at some unearthly hour in the morning in St. Patrick’s Dundalk that caused Mc Cartan ( a repressed whatever along with others) to lead his crusade. Imagine kicking Willie out when… Ledwith…. Dermot Martin….. and a plethora of others were up to all sorts. The exemplary priest is of Meath; Father Declan Kelly. Bishop Smith of Meath on that priests 25th said as much as I am saying; exemplary in his care. Exemplary.

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Willie Doherty cooked the best pasta I have ever tasted ( Gorgonzola cheese before I developed a sophisticated palate!!) He spoke Italian better than a native. The staff of the Irish College Rome were very jealous of that… Willie was very very talented academically and was a genuinely nice guy….. but he wore his personality in all its aspects in full view. It was a different world then and he was not respected… not at all. In my opinion with all its progress, the world is still not so benevolent to individuals with the honesty of character that Willie Doherty had. I hope his transfer to the other side has brought him sybaritic paradise.

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Thanks, William. I think Willie Doherty arrived in Maynooth in 1989. He sounds like he had a lot going for him. I remember that he was a good looking man. May he RIP.

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Does anyone remember a Dromore Sem in Thurles (not Tony Corr) in the early 1990’s? He got ordained and left the priesthood. Tall with glasses and picked on younger Sems? Just wondered.

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@12.33pm Ian Coulter I believe. He left Dromore and the Priesthood soon after Ordination from Thurles. He did pick on the younger Seminarians but the bizzare thing it was only the younger ones from North of the border.

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The personalised abuse and vitriol against Ribert Nugent is cowardly. We know all too well that this blog has been used by horrible, nasty, vulgar bullies to spew out hate inciting rhetoric, make allegations, settle scores, engage in mischief making and show their utter contempt for human decency. There is no longer any justification to continue printing the vulgarity and nastyism of these cowardly trolls. We no l9nger require printed proof in this blig to recognise their presence in society. They are in truth, psychologically disturbed people, the kind that probably bully, stalk and harrass fellow workers or cause havoc to their neighbours for fun. Robert: Do not rise to or invite their poison. if they can be identified, they should be named. Pat, please cease printing these vicious, contemptible, personalised attacks on Robert. We need to focus on the real issues at the core of the blog today.

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Did The Priests join in with the National Anthem at the end of the service?
Did the organisers invite you, +Pat, seeing as it was an ecumenical event. Would you have gone to it?

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I was not invited.

Would I have gone? I have no negative thought about Elizabeth and her dutifulness.

But the monarchy was very involved in bad things in Ireland.

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One of the finest cinematic records I am aware of is the dialogue between the Duke of Edinburgh and his mother Princess Alice ( or Andrew of Greece) after the Armstrong interview makes the newspapers…. on Netflix of course in The Crown. Beautiful at many levels insofar as that medium can manifest Beauty.

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The Priests are Brits really. They love all that stuff. They have always been friendly with then British Establishment in NI. They look down on the ordinary folk of NI, especially the Catholics. Not classy enough for them.

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That would explain the IRA priests then that were actively involved in terrorism, or fawned over some of the terrorists and Marxism.

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I consider Princess Alice ( or Andrew of Greece) one of the most noble people I am aware of in my lifetime. My interest in her began because of the connection she had with John Tavener…. and as sometimes happens my interest in his life and music was surpassed by that great woman.

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When Benedict 16th was greeted by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II at Hollyrood Castle in Scotland… he presented her with a text from the 800s …. that I understand was diplomatic speak for; my lot are around for longer than yours. It was a pope of Rome who gave the island of Ireland to an English king for the conquering….. ( as I blogged quite awhile ago) …. a lot of people… priests included are never very sure of what we belong to… we people are transactional, tribal and a lot of the time duped.

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Can you imagine Pat the following changes in D&C.

Fr Eugene O’Hagan to be PP Corpus Christi Ballymurphy
Fr David Delargy to be PP St Luke’s Twinbrook
Fr Martin O’Hagan to be Adm, St Peter’s Cathedral

What’s the chances folks?

I think we would suddenly witness 3 c/o Lisbreen, Somerton Road

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John Taveners “ Lament for Jerusalem “ premiered at Sydney Opera House ( Anseo) is a piece of music that anyone with an interest in the Trancendent could reference for nourishment. The “ Alleluia” is a beautiful piece of music… and an attentive listening to its haunting sound will bring some tears… “the gift of tears “as the Patristic fathers would reference. A Lament for what was and is and always will be so as long as humans are about !!!!

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Would the ‘great unwashed’ tolerate them.
Could you picture them in the Felons Club on a Friday night leading the punters on a rousing chorus of The Boys from the old Brigade?
In c minor of course!!
Lol

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I read just now that Ratzinger is speaking of his pain on the matter and asking forgiveness. Pathetic. He along with the rest of them and the gent sitting on Peters seat at the moment deliberately, with full intent and callousness acted to conceal and coverup….no truth to their new found empathy whatsoever.

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From the BBC
‘Former Pope Benedict XVI has acknowledged that errors were made in the handling of sexual abuse cases when he was archbishop of Munich.
In a letter released by the Vatican, the former pontiff asked forgiveness for any “grievous fault” but denied personal wrongdoing.’
Lying is obviously not wrongdoing in his book. What a strong moral voice.

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His failing in bishoping don’t particularly stand out. The bigger issue was to what degree were reports to the Vatican squashed because of JP2 (say for Marcial Maciel) or was it a personal failing of the then Cardinal Ratzinger?

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Not really, just the usual stuff. The bigger issue, as I mentioned, was whether he was squashing or ignoring abuse reports, or was JP2 forcing him to do so.

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2:21
Yes, it was quite a thrill to stand at the door of Princess Alice’s tomb at the Russian monastery in Jerusalem. Also a joy to venerate the remains of the Grand Duchess Elizabeth as well as her maid, Barbara, in the upper church. The Royals were indeed unique and did good things for those in trouble, sorrow, need, sickness or any other adversity. Of course it was a matter of non ignara mali for them as well.
Thanks for mentioning this today since fond memories flowed into my mind!

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1.19pm
Yes I remember Sean too – I recall he couldn’t drive and struggled with his driving lessons. I remember other clergy complaining about his ability to do paper work especially regarding weddings and baptisms – it never occurred to them to help him or that he needed some retraining or extra support. He wasn’t especially academically gifted which would not have endeared him to McKinney or Evans – fatherly support or kindness is not what they could offer – Evans is especially emotionaly constipated and the English Bishops go to on philosophy etc just also happens to be shite with human beings and being normal and well adjusted – perfect bishop material then.
Poor Sean Oscott chewed him up and spat him out.
Thanks for pointing out others who committed suicide – my God that is the death that dare not speak its name. Sean was given a requiem Mass and a decent burial but even in death you could tell the clergy who were pissed off with him – maybe they were pissed off with him when he was alive too and it contributed to his untimely death.
Oscott is a dark place with dark secrets buried deep in its vaults never to be spoken of again.
Experts in humanity my arse.
May Sean RIP.

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‘it never occurred to them to help him or that he needed some retraining or extra support.’
Which shows a total absence of any common sense in addition to the lack of human compassion. A very bad reflection if nobody offered to help or explain.
Frankly ‘Experts in humanity my arse’ should be the motto of this blog.

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There were a whole lot of people written off at Oscott. Those not handsome enough to attract Mervyn Tower’s eye, or those not considered academic, were ignored. I recall one especially vain seminarian, who went on to lecture at Ushaw and then Oscott, declaring he had no intention of becoming ‘parish fodder’. There were a few exceptional staff, e.g. Monsignor Louis MaRaye, David McLoughlin and Dermot Fenlon – but the majority were off the scale.

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1:31pm – it’s quite clear “who matters” to the hierarchy of the RCC & it’s certainly not Joe Average Wage in the congregation. That explains the unchristian targetting & abuse followed by coverup of non well connected “targets” by the elite.

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I would say Fr Malachy Murphy, Armagh, might have information on the Thurles situation. The poor chap was moved to Maynooth afterwards he was so traumatised. I’m glad he continues as a priest. He was a gentle, approachable guy.

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@4.35pm Cardinal Daly moved Malachy Murphy to Maynooth from Thurles and pretty damn quickly in light of the suicide of Michael Deegan. Was the Cardinal already aware and informed about the bullying of Michael Deegan prior to his death??

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Thurles was a very dysfunctional place. I won’t name them but Willie Lee called in a student at a particular time and questioned him; “ Do you know there are two communities in this college?” The student ( a priest now for a long time… known to Callan of Dublin… hmmm) hadn’t a clue what he was on about so he replied he didn’t; so Lee says to him ; “ there’s you and Roger( not his name) and then there’s the rest of us.” Willie couldn’t hack the particular friendship!!’nnn😭😂😂😭😭

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@4.35pm If this Priest “might” have info as you claim then you have a duty to share it with Fr Pat. I think people are very wary of Robert Nugent so speak wit Fr Pat.

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I do not know Robert Nugent. Nor do I particularly want to know him but any/all abuse of this mans family is WRONG, childish and deliberately hurtful. I’m all for criticising someone with whom one vehemently might disagree but their family is off limits. To engage in this type of abuse is despicable. Robert Nugent gives an opinion. He is therefore open to criticism. His family most certainly is NOT so can any of you engaged in this thus far please stop and wind yer necks in

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Eugene O’Hagan sees himself as the de facto bishop of D&C. I would be mightily surprised if he was ever placed in a working class parish and what’s more there’s zero chance that this clown would ever be accepted in one

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5.29. People in life , I think, just get more like themselves. I hold that anyway. I have only met the person you are speaking of in Rome in 1990. He became aware of a very deceitful nasty injustice perpetrated on an individual. It was of no benefit to him but he rectified it at some trouble to himself. Tablecloths. Nothing that was of any importance but what was done was to wound and inconvenience. The man you Blog of had a good heart then…. He may be submissive to the Organisation for whatever reason ( maybe not) but he had a good heart…. so it’s still there! That does not nullify my advice to record his messages before deleting them( above).

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Why does Mervyn Towers name get mentioned a lot when Oscott pops up?
Is he Dorothys Friend?
Was he a bulky? He seems a rather twee effete little chappy – is there a darker side?
Michael Gamble a friend of Sean Farrell now that’s interesting – was Gamble devastated when poor Sean died?
Jesus Mary and Joseph if you wanted to share something in confidence Fr Gamble would be the soul of discretion and the whole diocese would know within seconds!!!
Oscott – dark place, dark place. Fear ye who enter.

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Yes, not dissimilar to The Asylum in American Horror Story. I wouldn’t be surprised if students didn’t leave, but instead lobotomised by David Evans in the chapel crypt.

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Don’t be silly, 7:01 the staff in Asylum aren’t nearly twisted enough to get anywhere in holy mother church 😂

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Brendan Mallon from Cloyne was a Sem friend of Michael Deegan in Thurles. He would know any story. Another interesting name that surfaced today was Malachy Murphy of Armagh, the silence is deafening. He was so traumatised he had to be sent to Maynooth? Is that the craic? Does he still chain smoke? Has kept well below the radar in Armagh. Interesting how names are trickling out today and those that are named are described as decent, quiet, approachable chaps.

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Former Pope Benedict XVI has acknowledged that errors were made in the handling of sexual abuse cases when he was archbishop of Munich.

In a letter released by the Vatican, the former pontiff asked forgiveness for any “grievous fault” but denied personal wrongdoing.

A German report into the Catholic Church alleged that he failed to act over four child sex abuse cases.

Then known as Josef Ratzinger, he was archbishop of Munich from 1977 to 1982.

The report by a German law firm alleges that abuse continued under his tenure, and that the priests accused of carrying out the abuse remained active in church roles.

In his first personal response to the report, the former Pope, now 94, wrote: “I have had great responsibilities in the Catholic Church. All the greater is my pain for the abuses and the errors that occurred in those different places during the time of my mandate.”

He described the actions against victims of sexual abuse as a “most grievous fault.

“As in those meetings, once again I can only express to all the victims of sexual abuse my profound shame, my deep sorrow and my heartfelt request for forgiveness.

“Quite soon, I shall find myself before the final judge of my life”, he added.

Before the report was released in January, Pope Benedict had denied he had attended a meeting in 1980 about sexual abuse cases when he was archbishop of Munich.

But after the report’s release, Pope Benedict said he had indeed attended the meeting. His personal secretary at the time, Archbishop Georg Ganswein, said the omission was an oversight in the editing of the statement released at the time and was not done out of bad faith.

Pope Benedict referred to this in the letter, stating that he felt deeply hurt by how this oversight had been used “to cast doubt on my truthfulness, and even to label me a liar.”

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Yes 5:45. He does have a good heart full of love- for himself. He, for narcissistic reasons, betrayed the people of his native city by accepting an empire (wherever that is) honour from the colonel in chief of the paras. I’m afraid that makes him persona non grata in my book

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The California nun is heading to prison after a decade of theft
She wore a habit while hiding a bad habit.
Mary Margaret Kreuper, a retired nun, admitted that she had broken her vow of poverty by stealing $835,000 (£616,000) from a California school where she worked to fund her gambling.
Kreuper, 80, will spend a year and a day in prison for wire fraud and money laundering.
“I have sinned, I have broken the law and I have no excuses,” she said at her sentencing in Los Angeles.
For over a decade, Kreuper embezzled funds from tuition and donations to the St James Catholic School where she was principal.
She then instructed other school employees to “alter and destroy financial records” to cover up her crime.
The money, which according to prosecutors could have covered school fees for over a dozen students, was spent on trips to casinos and holidays for Kreuper and her friends.
The scheme was revealed during an audit after Kreuper retired in 2018.
In announcing her sentencing, US District Court Judge Otis D Wright II said he struggled with weighing legal punishment against pleas for forgiveness from Catholic families whose children were taught at St James. He ordered Kreuper to spend 12 months and a day behind bars, and to pay back the school the $835,339 in restitution.
Kreuper told the judge she was “profoundly sorry” and would spend the rest of her life trying to follow “more closely in Christ’s footsteps”.
Her lawyers said she had been suffering from mental illness which “clouded her judgment”.

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Have you seen the picture of her? She’s blonde. Apparently.

There’s literally all kinds of wrong going on in addition to the crime.
1. Stupid parents asking for mercy because she’s a sister
2. Employees covering up her crime because she’s a sister
3. Her retiring at around 75 because she’s a sister.
4. I do not believe she will ever be in a position to pay back the money so that’s just ridiculous.
5. Her crime was only picked up in an audit after her retirement. That’s some creative accounting right there.
6. Other sisters went on the gambling trips she financed. I wonder whether that could be a crime.

Which bit of ‘the church is a scam and criminal organization’ not make sense to people?

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Classic:
Sister Croupier
Authorities asked to forgive her by children she “taught”
(I think we ought to scrutinise their future careers)
Only in LA

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Reading between the lines today on the blog about the sad death of a Seminarian (that silly video at the beginning totally deflectes from the seriousness of the issue). Armagh seems to hold answers.

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6.23
All 26 of them do…. It was and is a very dysfunctional organisation…. and it’s secrecy perpetuates it…. Like almost all institutions,
Very few were of the calibre ( the very best left before ordination and many in the few years after) but few were of the calibre in my time of;
Pat Kiernan( Ardagh and Clonmacnoise) exceptional gentleman
Tod Nolan ( Tuam) ( I know I mentioned him in relation to Nulty) exceptional gentleman
Ciaran Dallat ( Tuam) exceptional gentleman
Gerard Brophy ( Kildare and Leighlan) exceptional gentleman
There were others like them….

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@6.49pm You need to get over your non promotion in Brum like so many clergy elsewhere too. It’s easy to be resentful of your failed ambition to climb the greasy pole and blame it on being bypassed by the likes of Pargeter, Tower, Leonard, McDonald, McKinney, Evans, Byrne, Oakley, Kenny, Tapparo, McGough, Moran, Cousins, Menzies, Daly, (not necessarily in that order of favouritism). Each diocese has similar climbing creeps.

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@7.25pm What a rogues gallery you list! Jeez. Could I add Crispian Hollis and Kieran Conry to that Birmingham list. Abp Maurice Couve once said if an auxiliary is not to your liking then ship him out.

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7:25 You’ve given me the best laugh I’ve had in ages.
Your presumptions are remarkably wrong (and presumably more self interested than related to anyone else) given that I’m not a priest, have lived in Birmingham as a student but no longer, have never met Canon Tower and am not a Catholic!
Did it ever strike you that someone could post something out of interest and not everyone is continually politicking? 😜

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9.06

Excuse me, you are correct; Ciaran Blake of Tuam is the man I should have stated as an absolute gentleman. Thank you for pointing out the mistake.

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I googled both Fr Paul Prior and Fr Sean Jones. The first result for both of them was a page on this blog 😂
For Fr Sean Jones it said some results may have been removed under European data protection law, and when I clicked to find out more it took me to an information page on the right to be forgotten.
For Fr Prior it said that twenty results had been removed following a complaint and it took me to this page:

https://lumendatabase.org/notices/22393252#

So it seems like if you want to be forgotten or complain about defamation the record that you have done that remains and appears in every google search…

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@7:33 You’re not really reading the room today. It’s about bullying, maybe it’s time to stop harassing

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Jesus, talk about blaming the messenger. People may want to know how to do it.
But you already know, don’t you, ‘father’?

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@8.02pm. By your own tongue you are not a priest and you where only in brum as a student.
Can I bow to your vast experience of the brummie Archdiocese then?

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You might be able to if I had any or said I had any. I can give you a thorough knowledge of the drinking establishments of Selly Oak if you like?
You tend to misunderstand things like you have when driven by the fight or flight reaction, ‘father’.

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7.25pm
We, bit presumptive, how do you get over a clerical promotion and being filled with envy and jealousy, er, if your not a member of an elite clerical caste?

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Don’t forget; Sharkey, Wright, Crisp, Jonathan Faeces, Cousins, oh the list is far to long, I give up!!
Oh and in the lower circle of hell: Penny, Taylor, Jollie, and that deacon who was jailed for swindle!! Oh the list is to long I give up.

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@7.39pm Spot on. According to @7.36pm we are being presumptive, oh dear, that’s us told off. Add to the list Bede Walsh and Taylor. Was old Leo not pushed out too as Auxiliary by Couve? Not sure. Auxiliary bishops are non entities tbh that wait on the sidewalk for their own diocese and are basically used for Confirmations. Any Pleb PP could always do Confirmation anyhow with permission so what’s the fuss?

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100% of Clergy appear to practice the 3 D’s:
DENY
DEFLECT
DISMISS
It must be EXHAUSTING & begs the QUESTION – Why “choose” to live like this?

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A young Northern Seminarian in Thurles in the 90’s was a fag for another Northern Seminarian just a few years older than him. It was well known by staff he was fagging (totally non sexual boarding school speak). He just fetched and carried for him, washed and ironed his stuff, polished his shoes, made tea/coffee etc. The fag got booted out in the end.

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I wonder did a lot of the toxic and dysfunctional boarding school culture transfer into seminaries? Is that why they are so messed up?

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Interesting comment @9.27pm. I know during my time that there was definitely fagging in the VEC in Rome during the 90’s. There was a guy who was ex public school who had a younger Seminarian do all his chores. Some thought this fag master was particularly cruel to his fag running errands for him all over Rome. Shining his shoes, making him breakfast, making his bed up and washing his underpants plus lots more. It’s no secret that politicians like Nick Clegg, Boris and others all had fags. They say it’s been abolished but it’s alive and kicking. Not in the least surprised it still happens in Seminaries which are in the end all glorified male boarding schools. The modern day slang for them I suppose is regarding them as someones bitch.

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@9.27pm Just getting ready for work here. Imagine being in a Seminary as a young lad away from home, that must be torture enough. Used in that way by other students as a fag you claim (never ever come across that term) and then booted out you say. I couldn’t begin to think what that did mentally to that poor person if he is still alive. That is not abuse but mental torture. That will stay on my mind all day at work.

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Why mention

WILIE LEE – THURLES PRESIDENT

for something that happened in 1994. He had moved to the neighbouring Waterford and Lismore to succeed Michael Russell in the summer of 1993.

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Pat have you seen Robert’s latest video…”On a mans mission to be a father”?. I have watched a lot of his videos and have been impressed by them even if they are a bit long winded. However today’s one ,nearly an hour long, worried and actually scared me. I know he is very passionate about his faith but he actually appeared slightly unhinged to me. I would like your opinion if you have seen it

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I did say several times to discern. Yes I could be totally mad, but I’m not asking anyone to follow ME, I’m asking people to think for themselves. What is the point of being tepid catholic with no passion for a God that actually loves me? Regards RN.

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Pat – you need to create a conversation on the Synod- lots of weird things happening – listening and silly talk about all on same boat & journey shite … in Dublin we are told to not talk about abuse or gay themes! Who is in charge of this farce- where’s Kieran mc Dermott? Who’s that Scottish bully…. Our parish has decided not to engage. Is this the same in other parishes? Is it a synod or a farce?

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9.42: I don’t agree with your ignorant, vulgar comment abiut the Synod. If you’re a cleric, shame, if a lay parishioner, get out as you would apoear to be an obstructive person. However, there is much confusion about this synodal pathway. Expectations are too high. The language so far is all 7dealistic and esoteric. The Synodal visiin was presented at a time when regrouping in parishes after the 2 years and more of a pandemic. The reality of changes which the pandemic brought to parish communities has not been absorbed. The shortage of volunteers and clerical personnel is rarely acknowledged. Huge mountains of information is being delivered with little chance of reading the high notioned visions let alone implement any of it. The truth is we are just turning the wheel of the ship as before but with the furniture almost underwater and the music is quickly dying. In the meantime our parish is doing what it does best – try to remain true to the gospel command to love God and one another in as inclusive and caring a way as possible. And we are pretty good at this without a Synodal boat!!

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There’s some proper rage going on in some clergy (for such they unmistakably are) commenting here today. Someone or several obviously thought this had gone away for good.

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9.37: I have watched many of Robert’s videos. I am impressed thus far with his passion for his beliefs, spiritual, religious and Catholic convictions. I admire the way he is trying to help other men to live their faith, to pray, to talk together. All very noble and we need more people like him to develop opportunities for men to talk about “their” issues. There is though a part of me which tells me that Robert may have been better to stand alone in his quest for truth and justice re: students and others who have experienced horrible bullying in seminaries. Pat has a very different approach to Robert and I feel that they should – if it’s possible – collate all informatio received, keep it private and when appropriate present it to An Gardai. Dropping hints about where they’re at and what they’re doing is allowing too many interpretations and judgments to be made which could hinder a future investigation. I am worried too that family members of students or priests being referred to may be very hurt if they’ve not been asked or informed about the present developments. I also ask Pat not to print further denigratory and vulgar comnents against Robert. They are morally disgusting. We have proof enough that there are, sadly, troll abusers in their hundreds out there playing their filthy, bullying games with scant regard for any reputational damage done to targeted victims. Name and shsme these evil cowards. God bless the wirk for truth by both Pat and Robert. Ignore the haters.

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The Death of Fr Niall Molloy who appears to have fallen foul of the horsey set is being aired again tonight on RTE One.

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10:06pm – you will also find the graduates of the toxic boarding school culture in the lay ring of steel they surround themselves with. Well versed and trained detractors and deniers of truth.

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His relative commented on how hurt the family were after his death at how the clergy moved away from them & were unsupportive.

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Many seminarians who left seminaries got the same treatment when they left by their classmates who went on to ordination

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10:45pm – some of their everyday lives seem to read like a soap opera as it is, I’m sure RTE could find a slot for them now Neighbours is axed. A fly on the wall expose or GogglePew 😇

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All was not rosie in the Garden when Fr. Gus O Donnell was president before Fr .Willie Lee. I was A student in the 1980s In Thurles. I was not ordained and it was in Thurles l lost my vocation., Becuase of the atmosphere of the place. I did not experience Gay culture there. However A number of students were dismissed /expelled in one go mid term, including A third Divinity student who was about to apply for ordination to Diaconate. Excuses was vague and unbelievable.

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