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MY CHALLENGE TO ROBERT NUGENT ABOUT SILVERSTREAM AND MARK KIRBY AND THE ABUSE SUFFERED BY FATHER BENEDICT.

Dear Robert,

I am very glad we met and I am looking forward to working with you to eradicate bullying and adult sexual abuse in the Church and priesthood.

For 30 + years I have been alone in this work and ministry. “It is not good for a man to be alone”.

But in my opinion, there is one big fly in your aiontment – the situation in Silverstream with which you are involved and the ongoing isolation and abuse of the whistleblowing monk Dom Benedict Andersen

DOM BENEDICT CELEBRATING MASS FOR ROBERTS FATHER

Dom Benedict regards you as one of his co- abusers.

Benedict never accused Dom Kirby of sexually assaulting him.

But he did accuse him of inappropriate sexual grooming and harassment. He also asserts that Dom Kirby insisted on recounting to him various sexual experiences he, Dom Kirby, had.

This behaviour in a monastery and between a superior and a monk is highly irregular and is a massive breach of trust and duty of care.

It is also abuse!

To this day Benedict is excluded from his monastery, isolated, in receipt of little or no living expenses and is classed as a canonical leper.

He also lacks a letter asserting that he is a priest in good standing which prevents him having a ministery and in a position to earn a living.

Bishop Deenihan says he cannot give such a letter as Silverstream is opposing its granting.

Robert, you are very closely connected to Silverstream. In fact you were an oblate there and as such a external member of the community.

You had / have a good relationship with Dom Kirby, you admire him and indeed credit him with the healing of a family member.

Dom Benedict claims that you have publicly criticised him on social media and thereby contributed his stress and isolation.

It is very good that we are going to be working together on bullying in the Church and priesthood and the sexual abuse of adults in the Church and priesthood.

But here is Benedict who has suffered like that in a place you are / were close to.

Can I ask you to look carefully at what has happened, and what is happening, to Benedict – and address that as part of our new ministry.

You and I have stated publicly that we gave a number of significant differences.

You are biased in favour of Silverstream and Dom Kirby.

I sincerely believe, on evidence shown to me that Dom Benedict is a victim.

No one is saying Benedict is perfect.

But he is a Silverstream victim and has been further victimised by people like Abbot Brendan Coffey ex Abbot Richard Purcell and Bishop Deenihan.

Pat

THE ANNIVERSERY OF THE MURDER OF JOSEPH PIKE BY BROTHER LANE IN TRALEE 1958.

On this day an orphan boy, Joseph Pike was murdered by the Christian Brother Lane in St Joseph’s Tralee, Kerry.

He was buried in a hidden grave.

His remains were later moved to the town cemetery.

The priests refused him a funeral Mass or to bless the grave.

When I went some years ago to say Mass at the grave the clergy locked the cemetery gates and we had to get ladders to climb over the wall.

RIP Joseph Pike and all the other children murdered and tortured in Irish Concentration Camps.

Gardai to Quiz St Joseph’s Inmates

By Simon Brouder
Kerryman
September 3, 2009

http://www.kerryman.ie/news/gardai-to-quiz-st-josephs-inmates-1875669.html

A MAJOR garda investigation into the physical and sexual abuse of children at Tralee’s notorious St Joseph’s Industrial School is now underway, The Kerryman can reveal.

Senior gardai from the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation, who are investigating revelations contained in the Ryan Commission Report, are due to interview a number of former inmates of St Joseph’s in the coming weeks The Ryan Commission Report detailed horrific physical and sexual abuse of boys, perpetrated by 12 Christian Brothers, in the Tralee school in the 30 years prior to its closure in 1970.

A special garda unit, set up by Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern, following publication of the report is now investigating abuse committed in Kerry. Though the 12 brothers who carried out the majority of the abuse at St Joseph’s were not named in the Ryan Commission report it’s known that all but one are still alive. They are understood to be the primary focus of the new investigation.

Several former inmates of St Joseph’s, including the longest serving inmate John Prior whose early testimony about abuse in church run schools helped expose the scandal, have been contacted by gardai and will be interviewed in the coming weeks.

The former inmates assisting the investigation are currently residing in Kerry and Cork.

A major plank of the St Joseph’s investigation is expected to be the death of 16-year-old school inmate Joseph Pike. Pike died in the mid 1960’s just a few days after allegedly being brutally beaten by a brother for eating too slowly.

The special garda unit, commanded by Assistant Commissioner Derek Byrne Ireland’s highest ranked operational commander, has been tasked with investigating claims contained in the Ryan report to assess if criminal proceedings can be brought against the perpetrators of the abuse.  

266 replies on “MY CHALLENGE TO ROBERT NUGENT ABOUT SILVERSTREAM AND MARK KIRBY AND THE ABUSE SUFFERED BY FATHER BENEDICT.”

Pat, you are directly challenging Robert about his contribution to the past and on-going abuse of Dom Benedict. Let’s call a spade a spade. Why did Robert remove references to Dom B from his twitter a/c? Why is he pro Dom Kirby? Why is Robert now so enraged about bullying and abuse among seminarians, past and present? How can both of you cooperate together in a matter requiring a respect for each other’s bona fides when you have such divergent views and when you now identify the “fly” in Robert’s ointment?

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I am very sorry for what has happened. I have the highest regard for everyone in the Monastery. I have to admit I do not know all the facts and I’m praying there will be closure I apologise for any hurt caused to Dom Benedict. The Black and white photo above I took when Dom Benedict said requiem mass for my Father, (which he offered to do and I didn’t pay him for it). Dom Benedict has always treated me with upmost kindness and respect and I do hope there can be closure, but that is for others to decide, I don’t know all the facts.

Silverstream has been an incredibly positive place and Dom Benedict himself has said there are very good men there.

This will be the last post I ever right about this topic. People know my biases on this after what happened with my daughter. I leave it to La Madre Iglesia, To Mother Church to lead us forward. As men its vital to talk things out and not run away from problems. Praying for Dom Benedict and closure to this.

Its very easy to destroy and it takes years to build. I beg everyone to find a way forward, our Church desperately needs her sons working to good.

PAX

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Robert,
That’s a politician’s reply to the points Pat makes. You are dodging the issues and avoiding addressing the central claim, that you took sides against Dom Benedict and subsequently disparaged him online. Either you accept that he’s a victim or not. Which is it?

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What else can I say? I’m too biased to see this and I don’t know all the facts (and I don’t need to know them) I let others make this decision. I know well what I did and all I can do is apologise. I am not taking any side. Nobody heals a situation by hurting others. So I ask that people talk about their problems calmly. Dom Mark is one of the kindest priests I know, and Dom Benedict is a good man. So as to not take sides I have removed myself from this and I apologize to Dom Benedict with all my heart for the hurt he has felt. But the only way forward is dialogue, peace and prayer. What more can I say? I have no agenda, nobody asked me to post any of this, nobody counselled me to meet Pat Buckly, nobody paid me to go, I would kindly ask for clearer heads to work on this.

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9.35, you only need one clearer head and you should be asking God for it not us. Kirby is not quiet, the pattern is evident.
You need to satisfactorily resolve your connections abroad. This is already dialogue from us and it is already peace from us. The prayer is part of my Our Fathers and Glory Be’s.

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My favorite instrument of all time is the pipe organ; such power. Not to mention the deep air of authority from this winded instrument — which is most probably why Mozart once famously praised the organ, writing: “In my eyes and ears… the king of instruments.”
The mighty pipes | Pulling out all the stops!
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https://youtu.be/CJ723kL4u9w

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The Roman church was no proper cause for intensity when it was good. If you’re not going to refer to your ramblings which you twice brought Dom BA AND the priory’s money affairs into, how can we “talk things out”? You need to slow down, stop with the ambiguity and the inaccurate colloquialisms, mind map your comments and videos beforehand, cut them short.
God is serious and He works. But He doesn’t do intensity. The intensity is not a fly, it is corrosive and no ointment. Responsible employees and parents with dyslexia (I know a great deal about this) are doing something about it. Responsible employees and parents whose brains were addled by bad movements are doing something about it (the few that want to).
You have got Legionnaire’s Disease and Kirby is your new Legion idol. God healed your daughter and not Kirby. Kirby promotes and cultivates the appearance of irregularity including by personages / institutions outside Ireland (whom he considers he has “influence” over, we wonder why). He is not a quiet person and you have got to focus. Are you trying to rival Dom BA as to who was worse damaged by Kirby? Kirby is not your daughter.
I am telling things as I’ve seen them because I dropped out of the P2 myself. I am finding the cool, calm Buck web site informative in its context. I am also of mixed origin and we need to look after ourselves.
You spell well. Any time you write a few sentences, change the order of the sentences then cut phrases out. Same for the pre prepared scripts for your videos. Easy does it – but do it. God helped you to make an unusual escape from bad training places so far, so thank Him.

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Alvin I really am not sure whether to post this comment (and Pat may not allow it) but your comments frequently don’t show very clear connections between the things you say.
If there’s a medication you’ve been prescribed that you’re not taking, please take it or if your loved ones have expressed concern please listen to them.
Best wishes.

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10.45 I was trying to follow the discussion; either RN has no viewpoint at all or he can’t read. The last point in your suggestions is being examined; thank you.

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I am really tired of this tiresome, holier that thou Robert Nugent. His apologies are half hearted. He should publicly apologies for social media gaslighting of Dom A – if he wasn’t in possession of all the facts, as he readily admits, then he has no business in posting on twitter.
Ok so he has apologised for any hurt he caused but the fact remains that Dom A reached out to him only to be greeted with being undermined and that undermines Robert Nugents, newfound crusade for men who have/ are being abused by the church.
He failed at the first hurdle – someone was being harassed and abused and needed help and Robert Nugent contributed to that abuse without being in possession of the facts
It’s possible for people to have road to Damascus experiences so perhaps Robert has changed from abuser to God- appointed crusader on behalf of the abused but I seriouly doubt this man’s capacity for rational thought or reasonable behaviour.
This man admitted, in his first P files video (edited after it was first published) that his family and he were afraid for their lives because of threats made against them. He admits to letting his children watch videos in which he feels afraid and asks for prayer – a video in which he openly refers to men jacking off in front of porn – these are hardly the actions of a responsible father and undermine his ability to discern what is appropriate.
Pat my advise would be to cooperate with Robert Nugent but to challenge him robustly on his findings and conclusions. I imagine that he is not a man who will be prepared to be challenged and there may well be tears before bedtime.

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6.50
Well said!
As a regular reader of the blog my prefernce would be to have a moratorium on this man for at least a month, preferably for the whole of Lent.

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My teenage and adult kids don’t watch (but in just case they did, I gave context as this is public). Apparently someone looked me up and rang my family. Must be getting serious the questions I’m asking. Can’t keep abuse covered forever. People coming after my family saying they will get Tulsa on me.. man they have no idea what they will face. The bastards will rot in hell for what they are doing. RN.

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6.50: I admire Robert in his ministry outreach to men by way of helping them in positive, pastoral and spiritual ways. I am beginning to believe that Robert is very vulnerable despite his passionate self defense. I cannot believe some of the content of his videos is being watched by his children! I think its very wrong for him to subject his family to any possible harm, which he does not deserve and which is abhorrent. I beg himself and Pat to dialogue in private instead of all this publicity. I said recently that this matter being discussed in its present intensity will end badly as yet for one or both of the protagonists. I hope not but the indications are ominous. Now might be the time for prayer and reflection.

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Robert get a life, look after your family that you proclaim to love and want to protect so much. You are the pinnacle Catholic, we bow to you oh holy one

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I have documents on everything and shared with 3rd parties. The bastards won’t get their way. I didn’t go looking for this, I CAME TO ME!!! If they were human they would just report what happened to the Gardai and stop destroying me and my family. They know what we are reporting is they, they know it!! This isn’t rumour or hear say, it was BULLYING and they bullied a man to death in a seminary and the bullied other seminarians who left. Yes the clerics and the Bishops reading this, who are trying to silence me.. you can hide anymore. ! If Buckley’s blog goes down there will be 10 new blogs! Tell the truth, be a man. Prepare to face God THAT DOES EXIST!!! Save yourself the embarrassment of months of blog posts and just report the facts to the Gardai. RN.

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@jezusufamtobie or Robert if you prefer – That statement about your children not watching the videos contradicts your ORIGINAL Window to Hell video in which you clearly stated that you and your children were afraid and you clearly stated that your children watched the videos. THAT video was removed – edited and reposted from The Decrecivi youtube channel to the P file channel. Yes, I have been monitoring the videos closely.
Edited because perhaps someone has already alerted you to the foolishness of making such a claim.
I genuinely hope you and your family remain safe – we do live in evil times.
You might well deny that claim after the video has been edited but I know what I saw and heard – you are now denying that – frankly any claim you make from now onward will have to be taken with a grain of salt.
Remember – sometimes satan comes as a man off peace.

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Good for you, @ 11:06am. Everything in accordance with the law is the right way, remember!
Keep detailed logs of times and dates of calls etc. Sounds like you’re close to unearthing a cesspit.
Shout of it abroad x

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Just to be clear – that reads like a threat – but it isnt. It’s just to point out the error in RN’s post.

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11.18 we know them not by the gifts they have but by their fruits. That was in Scriptures which “Madre” (psued Spanish usage) used to claim to adhere to.

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“Funny” they mention Jung, the Abraxas worshipper. One of his followers – two timing as an already long ordained “Christ figure” worshipper – personally sabotaged what would otherwise have been a safe space for P2 dropouts. It could have been a fine model for what the ex Maynooth bunch need.

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Oh, this is just too brilliant. The mystic guru Mark Kirby takes his rightful place among New Age gurus and Unitarian heretics.

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Pat, why do you only mention Abbot Coffey and former Abbot Purcell? Wasn’t there a third member, namely Gearoid Dullea, who was appointed a Monsignor a few years ago (someone correct me, but was he appointed a monsignor before or after the Vatican said there’d be no more Monsignors). He is relatively young and you seem to airbrush him quite a bit from the Silverstream stuff. He belongs to +Deenihan’s former diocese. Presumably he wishes he was never on that infamous Visitation team since any member of that list must surely be at the bottom of the pile of ‘prospective bishops’ in the Nunciature.

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Good point, 12:26. Dullea’s absolutely complicit in what’s happened to Dom Anderson. But because he’s not a known Boilerhouse patron or abbot of Gaystall, he gets a pass. 🤷‍♂️

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As there is clearly no conscience from those clergy & their lay foot soldiers who have executed and or covered up for decades of abuse and wrong doing & continue to engage in daily venomous denial and coverup, I wish you both well in your endeavours. They conveniently forget that it is not their Church, it is the peoples Church & what about all the genuine Clergy who joined with the best of intentions & were also betrayed in various ways in this toxic environment.

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It’s only easy to tear something down when there’s reason and amo, build with integrity and honesty and nothing and nobody can destroy you!

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Bishop Pat, I have a friend from Thurles days, ex Priest who knew Michael Deegan and is basically scarred by his experiences there. Sorry to deviate from your blog topic today. My dilemma is that he refuses to be involved with Robert Nugent. I don’t know the ins and outs of that decision and I don’t like to question as he doesn’t trust people so well and can be volatile. He feels he could only speak with you alone with the condition you do not share it with Robert Nugent. That’s my dilemma.

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Dom Benedict seems to be left in some sort of limbo without the letter, which Kitty Kirby and +Tom Deeniham are probably withholding to get back at you Bp Pat more than anything.

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@8:25, what has Pat’s sexuality got to do with it anything? People are not defined by their sexuality, or any other identify politics.

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Pet with the announcement that Primark and Greggs are teaming up to release Gregg themed fashion, do you think Fr Sausage Roll will be sporting the new range?

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Pat it is very good to see you collaborating with Robert. He is a great man and I can see your blog has been deeply enhanced by his input. His investigation over the Thurles suicide has been much advanced and thorough which is good to see. I am glad you are both sharing a platform. Keep up the good work Robert and Pat. Pax.

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9.35: I can understand your comment. Though I stand by my comment at 8.52am, I have also expressed a concern about Robert and Pat collaborating on this issue or any issue. I would like to think they would co-operate together re: issues of abuse and bullying but because they each evoke extreme opinion and both are divergent thrmselves, I fear there are conflicts of interest which will damage the integrity of any search for TRUTH. Much hurt can ensue, regrettably.

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@9.35am Since the person and name of Robert Nugent was first introduced to us on the blog recently Marcelo also appeared out of the blue defending him to the hilt. I wonder???

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Marcelo, don’t play the “extreme” card on us. Megabear 10.25 is correct, unreasonable is not holy. Robert doesn’t understand an interest.

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Bishop, have you noticed how Marcelo signs off ‘Pax’. Very Benedictine. Someone else also signed off ‘Pax’ a few times this week when replying here.

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Yes and there’s also an anonymous comment which is quite similar in style today. It couldn’t possibly be that the person who pretends to be an Irish man named Seamus could possibly have other personae could it?

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https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/14991/celibacy-rule-now-precarious-warns-marx-
Hey, looks like Cardinal Marx has finally caught up with what the rest of us already knew, and what the clergy have for a long time thought of as optional ! We know from this blog and from other sources just how much celibacy is observed in the breach as it is in the observance, by most clergy. Also that for most clergy it is a very damaging way of life and culture leading them in to dysfunction, duplicity, double lives and plain lying. The sooner it is ditched, certainly as a mandatory requirement for ordination, the better. We will all be better off, happier and healthier. Including clergy. And for those clergy who currently take their promise of celibacy in a flexible and option way, well at least they can then consider themselves to have been trailblazers, setting the tone, trailblazers, and ‘avant gard’ ! I guess the gay boys amongst the clergy will still have to wait a while until their preferences are accepted, but in the meantime I’m sure they will still indulge in their predilections. As long as it keeps them happy, I suppose … ?!

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Ex-Bishop Kieran Conry was well ahead of his time, a trail blazer. Mind you, he was not just content with one. He was in to multiple partners, often at the same time. Must have been exhausting trying to do the day job and keep a clutch of women happy at the same time. Maybe celibacy does have its attractions after all ?!

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I don’t think celibacy should be optional, it should be abolished. Then we can suggest a nice wife for Father so that he is forced to experience what he is avoiding by pretending to be celibate.

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“Married Candidates:
The Church is concerned that there should be no potential for conflict between the responsibilities of ordained ministry and the need of a couple in the early years of their married life to devote their time and energy to maturing in their relationship and to caring for young children. For that reason, a married man must have reached the age of thirty five before he can be ordained to the permanent diaconate. He must also have the formal consent of his wife.
Unmarried Candidates:
Unmarried candidates must have reached the age of twenty five before they can be ordained as permanent deacons. In keeping with the tradition of the Church, those who are ordained as single men make a solemn promise of celibacy.”
If celibacy becomes optional, the permanent diaconate rules could be extended to the priesthood.

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At 5.55
Ah Séamus my love, haven’t seen your comments in a while, almost didn’t recognise you without your totally unrelated spiritual responses, how you love?

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This all sounds very much like church history and St Patrick. You spend weeks if not months listening to a lecturer talk about St Patrick and all he did only to be told on week 6 that Patrick may not have existed. Is this a woody Allen film or did Silverstream happen or not?

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Marriage doesn’t doesn’t Masturbation you do know that? Married people do masturbate. Let’s just get that out of the way. Some are still serial masturbators.

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Marriage doesn’t stop Masturbation you do know that? Married people do masturbate. Let’s just get that out of the way. Some are still serial masturbators.

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9:35. La madre Iglesia? Are you for real? What the church needs is men of God not men living double lives. Lead us forward? What, with more lies and corruption? I’m afraid it’s too late for that. The RCC is a cesspit and needs shut down. They don’t talk about problems . They cover them up and hide the truth. So your idea of the RCC as a madre iglesia is an affront to all true believers. Wise up

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Remember the Church is all Baptised Catholics. Not just those who have a collar and sometimes wear black. No, it won’t be shut down. But I 100% agree with you, those who say they are men of God have to be REAL men of God. Regards RN.

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Yes sorry. I let the theologians correct me. 🙂

I suppose the main point is that the church won’t disappear, we will continue to pray. Regards RN

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1. 56 I agree…

Not only do people masturbate, especially habitual ones… Married men are the worst, my inbox is inundated with either single wierdos or married men who not only get sex, mastturbate and send freaky dick pics with rings wrapped around their cocks in various positions, enough to make any woman celibate 😂

To much!

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Looks like RN was getting too popular, and Pat waited for his moment and has turned the tables. That’ll sort him out. When is someone now going to turn the tables on Pat? All these so called men of God and all they are interested in doing is attacking and trolling one another and sanctimonious, self-righteous, one-upmanship, and seeing who can rat race up onto the moral high ground to pontificate to others, while the others scramble to pull them down and replace them.
Saints, and all aspiring Saints are first and foremost humble. The power of all the Saints down the ages has been their humility and their fear of the Lord, which is the beginning of wisdom. The great power of Our Lady has been given to wield, is a result of her humility. By the way, this post was written by a sinner as good as all the rest of you on here, which is not that good by the looks of things.

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No they’re not, Pat. I don’t think the commenters here completely realize how often their comments give away their creepy mindset.

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10.20. I agree with you. I don’t believe that Pat will tolerate Robert for too long. Their styles are opposite and almost irreconcilable. It’s sad that Pat is turning the screws on Robert. There’s only one “moral crusader” – Pat!!!!. Robert is also one but the limelight he’s receiving is upsetting Larne. Keep strong Robert. Read the signs for your own wellbeing. God bless you from hating trolls. Rather interesting that Pat is becoming reluctant to be associated with Robert..

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I don’t know what you are talking about. Right up until this morning Robert and I communicate several times a day.

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From the outside looking in, +Pat and RN seem to have been very clear that they have differences. It doesn’t mean that they cannot work together.
Both appear to have the maturity and wisdom to be able to work together. Whatever about RoboCop, they definitely can be a good cop / bad cop dynamic duo.

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12.06 I think they do thays the beauty about being annorymous, if they had to put their ovr their comments on, there would be fuck all said…. Lol

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1:01 The genuine clergy are part of the problem. You’ll have noticed in Robert’s videos how he says priests are agreeing with what he is doing but won’t do anything themselves….
Frankly they’re not genuine if they won’t do anything. For decades nobody knew that rampant child abuse was going on despite victims repeatedly telling other priests and nuns about it and there being many a clear indicator it was going on.
It’s remarkable how nobody knew, almost as if they weren’t actually genuine.

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Be honest, how many people would do / could do anything about their employer if they knew they would boot them out of their house, home, profession and living for good, and despite all the anonymous big talk on blogs, in reality, no one outside or inside their employer would ever lift a finger to help or support them in any way.

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Oh quite, and that’s how people are kept in. But if priests know full well things are very wrong and are not risking their own livelihood, they are NOT good ones. My intention was to make this point very clear.
As of today I can count the good priests I know of on one hand.

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10:43
A very brave comment to admit that priests are in it for their own comfort rather than to follow Christ.

29 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel 30 will fail to receive a hundred times as much(A) in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come(B) eternal life.

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11.59,
“If you want peace, you don’t talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies.”
Archbishop Desmond Tutu

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“Desmond Tutu aided the cover up of my torture and murder, that was carried out on the orders of Winne Mandela. I was only 14” – Stompie Seipei

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10:23 : Correct, yet the great myth that allowing married Priests will cure all the Church’s problems is continually promoted. The problems are far more fundamental than that.

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10.53: And I can count the number of non clerical “good ones” on one finger!!! Come In, tell us your mighty works…😂😉🤣😃🤣😆😆…

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12:50 So if nobody is any good and nobody does good and there is no difference between the ontologically changed and anyone else what is the point of religion or ordination?
Your argument that there are so few good ones completely contradicts the Catholic faith which clearly says that the church is holy, is indefectible and that humans will be able to see this.
Job centre for you, Father. Now there’s a thought that will rattle you…

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But they believe the apparitions of Our Lady are to innocent children but when innocent children tell the horror of been abused by bishops priests and nuns along with religious brothers all of sudden these innocent children are of the devil spewing lies.

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Actually they don’t believe them then either. Garabandal and Medjugorje being a case in point.

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12. 04 psychopaths? Is a bit extreme don’t you think?

Lonely, clearly not the popular type in school lor family, ooking for gratification etc… Few bad eggs, distorted image of themselves thinking their god, need balls massaging, conflicted, messed up, etc…

Spycho paths? I disagree…

Think some of them are very clever indeed, back then was a different time from now!

Hence shortage of staff…

People are not fooled anymore, different time!

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Priests have no balls, they only out for themselves and befits, trapped or not… Same as politicians…. Etc… Thats the point..

All dick and balls 😂

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At pat, 1.00 pm I communicate with people several times a day and in the week doesn’t always mean I like them… People pretend well 😊

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Pat, you speak to people you hate, you also speak to the enemy of yours and others when it suits you, pretending to be friends and care.
speaking from experience….

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Robert Nugent’s response at 9:35 am is almost laughable.
“i don’t know all the facts ( and I DON’T NEED TO KNOW THEM)
No – don’t have all the facts and profess a not needing to know them and get stuck in there. How impartial and rational is that. Wow!!!
The P files youtube channel claims ‘ The truth will set you free even if the truth is revolting‘ – For that to work you need to know the facts before you shoot a man down in your questionable quest for the truth.
This all really bodes well for his role as a God -directed champion of the bullied and harrassed.
Dom A is currently in a state of limbo – will Mr Nugent be actively championing to help him being reinstated or petitioning Silverstream to help resolve the issue. No – he’s not taking sides on this one. So not much of a champion of the bullied and harassed after all. FAIL!
Nobody heals a situation by hurting others – that’s just not true. Jesus was able to wound the pride of the pharasees – he called them out on their hypocrisy. I’m calling Robert Nugent out on his.
Quoting the last line from the same post. “I Would kindly ask for a clear head to work on this. “ I’m assuming, Robert that you admit that you don’t have a clear head about this issue. Fair enough – I can understand that – but I question your ability to have a clear head about any of the issues you get ramped up about lately. I refer to your video on your YouTube channel last night. You present as a man who is passionate but perhaps a little unstable.
Consequently, I question your ability to rationally champion the cause of Michael Deegan without causing more hurt. Leave that to Pat. He’s better at these difficult issues
You will perhaps, accuse me of gaslighting you. I can’t gaslight what is plain to see. The blog readers can make up their own mind.

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Megabear @10.25am. Pat has highlighted the Deegan case for 5 years according to his own words yesterday. He claims he did not get anywhere in that 5 years. Robert Nugent has just investigated and made more progress in 5 hours as opposed to 5 years with Pat’s assistance. Robert is a true champion for justice and should not be attacked for it. Pax

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ok Roberrt –
What progress? The usual mentioning of names – innuendo all of which you will dutifully report on the police /gardai

You are waiting on a coroner’s report – to what end.

I hope Micheal gets some justice but if Pat wasn’t able to get to the bottom of it I doubt you will.

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What does the P files mean? does it mean the Pat files or something more horrible, Mr Nugent was accused of being overly emotional on his last live broadcast and his reply was not many have experienced the God that changes lives as if he’s something special, oh the ego of a failed seminarian.

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I do not know Robert Nugent. I have become aware of him by virtue of your blog, Bishop Pat. But it does seem to me that he needs to unequivocally and definitively call out Mark Kirby’s misconduct. He should publicly renounce any connection with Silverstream Priory. However, it is unlikely he will do so because he is too much emotionally invested in the personality cult that is Dom Mark Kirby and his vanity project, Silverstream Priory.

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Yes, it’s in the nature of a scam that you get taken in but are then invested and it’s far more costly to get out.

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‘But he did accuse him of inappropriate sexual grooming and harassment. He also asserts that Dom Kirby insisted on recounting to him various sexual experiences he, Dom Kirby, had.

This behaviour in a monastery and between a superior and a monk is highly irregular and is a massive breach of trust and duty of care.’

That’s a normal day at Farnborough Abbey.

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it’s my understanding that Dom K has been credibly accused of a history of sexually inappropriate behaviour.

A history that this blog has been following and investigating and asking pertinent questions.

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What would we do without VENETIAN BLINDS??

It’d be CURTAINS for ALL.

Keep twitching – it’s in an honourable cause in defence of victims of clerical & church related wrong doing worldwide.

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In life, I have found the following to be born out as one of the most reliable and consistent statements :
qui cum canibus concumbunt cum pulicibus surgent.
He that lieth down with dogs shall rise up with fleas.
And Dogs in “higher” places often have the most fleas of all.

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10:51 – true & the fleas propel them to & seem to keep them in higher powerful places where they can keep supporting the circle of wrong doing.

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“If you’re neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor”
Archbishop Desmond Tutu

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And Tutu took Winnie’s side over the murder of Stompey by keeping his gob shut. Who was the opprosser there?

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@12.01 Shooshhhh. You can’t say that in South Africa now. Nobody talks about that at present. It’s not convenient to the recociliation process. Let’s skim over it. It never happened.

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‘I looove the way Tutu is quoted every day to give immoral nitwits an opportunity to show themselves up’.
Heinrich Voewoerd.

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Agreed with 12:02. If RN and Dom Andersen can at least be given the platform to talk things out, it’ll be a start.
RN being an oblate is being overstated. At best it gives him a communication channel.
The Bishop of the diocese and the superior of the Priory have to resolve this matter of providing the letter of good standing.

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Pat – would a letter of good standing even make a difference at this point, given that Deenihan, Silverstream and Robert Nugent have already done a hatchet job on him. Wherever he goes he will be known as the silverstream whistleblower and rather than be welcomed as a man of integrity he will be shunned regardless of said letter.

It’s also interesting to note that while Mr Nugent has been quite visible on the blog this morning he has not answered any of the serious questions put to him by some of your contributors.

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Benedict is in the USA and a letter of good standing is required to get him into a new diocese or religious house.

It simply like a reference saying he has nothing disgraceful or criminal.

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12:53 You are of course right that any other institute of consecrated (as if) life or diocese will not want him because he’s a whistle blower but he is surely due the letter if there is no real disciplinary matter. The attitude to him elsewhere would be a separate and equally disgraceful matter.

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Would Mgr Gearoid Dullea be able to get him the letter. He was on the visitation team and he is a diocesan priest

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My understanding from the Dec 17th blog story is that all canonical charges were dropped against Dom Andersen. The letter of good standing must be provided by the bishop.

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You couldn’t give him one of them he is off his rocker. Quite unbalanced poor fellow.

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“You couldn’t give him one of them he is off his rocker. Quite unbalanced poor fellow.”
Yeah, Benedict’s the one who hears voices from the tabernacle, including ones in French lying to him about events that never happened. 🤣

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Why doesn’t Dom Benedict join the SSPX? Surely they don’t seek a letter from a Novus Ordo bishop?

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Trust Seamus @12.50am to come up with yet another foolish suggestion. He is the fool that keeps on giving. 🙂

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Pat, have you ever seen Seamus and Marcelo in the same room at the same time together? “Pax”

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11:29am – challenging the unconscionable is hardly “taking the high moral ground” in an equal & democratic society. Our teachings tell us that actions have consequences and that perverting the course of Justice is wrong but then a common observation is that many clergy & their inner circle do not at all practice what they preach.

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Yes. If they had any moral sense they would either know that or stop pretending it’s taking the high moral ground.

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The “Who do you think you are” to question us brigade seem rattled. Next thing they’ll be looking for an apology! What apology or redress has been paid back to their victims? Just plenty victim blaming & gaslighting etc. Etc. The salary in that job must have great perks.

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I suspect the ‘WDYTYR’ brigade are rattled due to what is likely to come out down the line if Pat and Robert continue to co-operate and work with each other.

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One of the most hilarious things about this blog is the way someone uses a phrase then other people think it sounds clever so start misusing it.
It used to be ad hominem argument which really wasn’t understood at all and now it’s gaslighting lol.

Experts in humanity my arse.

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They do so love parroting hackneyed clichés. Cathbot was another popular one for a while. They think it makes them sound hip and down with the kids, for brownie points with their fellow practicing sodomites and their give away vulgarities.

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Actually I only started using the word cathbot to annoy the cathbots. Exactly the same as your motivation for using the word sodomite, ‘father’.

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I’m not entirely clear why you’re getting the coroner’s report because it will either say the seminarian killed himself (usually if he left a note) or will not say that.
I gather from comments yesterday that it is supposed pressure was exerted on the coroner not to call his death suicide.
However obviously the coroner won’t say that so I really can’t see what the report will prove.
S far better indicator that you’ve lighted on something somebody would far rather have buried is the reaction on here, the fact that the seminary records are missing and the threat of trying to get Robert’s kids taken off him.
I don’t think the next scandal will be bullying in seminary, I think it will be the retaliation and abuse of anyone seeking the truth. Don’t get me wrong – even if nothing can be ultimately proved about what happened to the poor seminarian the retaliation will be another valuable piece of evidence of what the church is actually about. The trouble with suppressing dissent is that when it doesn’t work it produces Pat Buckley and shows you up even worse.

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RoboPat are creating quite the reaction from readers on this blog! Whoooo steady on tigers, stop taking life and the new double act so seriously

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Pardon my nosiness but what does Robert work at as he seems to have a lot of day time on his hands to spend making videos

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He’s provided for by God. He’s on a divine mandate to champion those abused and harassed by the church ( so long as it’s not Dom Anderson) and to put right what’s wrong with the Church

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Why do you want to know? What concern is it of yours? Are you seeking to financially support Robert ?

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To be frank retired encompasses clergy life as well as those who have put in a lifetime of work. 😱

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Perhaps while Fr. Andersen waits for the authorities of the Vatican II cult to sort out his situation he should consider getting some revenue from writing. I recently read his work on the S.Tikhon’s Liturgy and was amazed by his depth of knowledge of the Anglican background of the same.

His consideration of ++Cranmer is quite valuable as well as his guidance through the labyrinthine passages of Anglican liturgical development. He has not only read but has inwardly digested his material, as it were.

He even reminded me of the Non-Jurors’ Liturgy of 1718 as well as Bishop Rattray of the Scottish Church. Both attempted to “Orthodoxize” the Anglican Services. +Rattray tried to “endow” his parishioners with his expurgated S. James Liturgy and a vastly reduced Eastern Mattins and Vespers. Those good folks would have none of it because they were unfamiliar services and told the Bishop so in no uncertain terms. Ah, the uox plebis Dei in action!

I do see a positive future for Father since he has that teacher’s ability to present difficult concepts in a clear and pleasant manner.

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Great comment, Seraphim. I just looked it up, and you can read a good deal of Fr Anderson’s work on Academia.edu.
To think Silverstream just threw this guy out, like yesterday’s rubbish, because he dared to stand up for himself — though there is a certain naïveté in thinking that reporting something to a Roman Catholic bishop will end up in justice being served.
Honestly, though I am sure it hurts for Fr Anderson, they probably did him a favour. Any community that would destroy Anderson to salvage the likes of Kirby is a total sham.
If Anderson had any practical sense, he’d leave the entire RCC behind and shake the dust from his feet. Given his expertise in Anglicanism, he might even consider going there?

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I was thinking that. And I was thinking it would be better in academia than in the church. If he’s got tutoring and proofreading abilities they’ll stand him in good stead.

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Very good thoughts from both of you.

Does the SSPX recognize Nouus Ordo lines? I’ve heard of SSPX priests becoming Orthodox, but not of NO priests becoming SSPX but I’m ready for anything.

The odd thing is that I was looking for material on the Non-Jurors’ use of the Div Lit of S. James. Quite interesting that I should land on Father Andersen’s very helpful master’s thesis! He really deserves much better treatment. I’m now thinking of the gist of Bishop Butler’s comment about difficulties being resolved and most times things do work out for the just man, Bishop Patrick being a prime exemplar.

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Mr Nugent, I imagine that if you have a spiritual director the first thing she will suggest to you is to invest in the practice of prudence. That will mean a withdrawal from the public space you have been occupying, at least on a temporal basis. There is much to be said for it now.

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2:56, perhaps because he’s basically admitted to hounding a victim of church abuse? It’s not a stellar resume entry for a crusader against, well, church abuse.

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@4:27: Perhaps context is most important. Many clerics don’t exactly possess stellar resumes to do what they do, supposedly preach the gospel.

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I don’t think these veiled threats are going to work against RN, but it is fun watching you all sweat.

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4.49: The only ones sweating are the hateful trolls who shame themselves on here daily, mostly non clerics. A mob gang.

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Someone: a seminarian is alleged to have been bullied and harassed to the point of suicide.
The Catholic apologists: stop persecuting us, it’s terrible!
Jesus, you couldn’t make this shit up.

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We are doing an advertising discount in next weeks newspaper if there are any unemployed priests housekeepers out there looking for a position. Previous experience desirable.

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It’s already been mentioned earlier – Mr Nugent has been visible on the blog but he has not answered the legitimate questions posed by Pat in his opening post nor has he answered the questions presented to him by other contributors.

So what’s it going to be Robert – are you going to answer the questions fully or are you going to be a unaccountable as that church you are on a mission to save?

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4:23pm I agree, RN needs to clarify better than he has, and needs to talk it out with those concerned, however he doesn’t need to share personal details about his workplace and family that some of the bottom feeders are desperately fishing for on this blog.

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Absolutely so, 4:56. I have been critical of RN here concerning Silverstream, but RN’s family is off-limits. These people are demons.

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Silverstream’s criminality here is not simply the withholding of a letter of good standing; it’s the apparent attempt to financially starve him into submission and out of priesthood and monastic life. In many ways the abuse now is far worse than what was going on in the monastery. This is classic, classic RCC™️. If Mister Nugent doesn’t recognise this, or doesn’t want to recognise it, he has absolutely no business setting himself up as a moral crusader against church abuse.

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I’m not a crusader, I wish I knew about none of this. I didn’t go looking for any of this, I came to me. I’ve 100% distanced myself from Silverstream. Not an oblate. I have to let those who know more to decide. I’m being neutral because I don’t know all the facts. RN.

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It came to you and I’m personally happy that you (or someone) is looking into it, however I feel uncomfortable with the fact that you feel its necessary to delve into that tragic incident while washing your hands of a harassment and bully issue that you had links to and where possibly involved in.

Until you address that and appear to be doing something to rehabilitate Dom A you can’t be taken seriously as a man who feels he is called by God to address corruption in the church.

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I have some questions about the tragic death of Michael Deegan RIP in Thurles Seminary, which is now linked to this row about RN and Silverstream.
The bullying of Michael Deegan should absolutely be investigated and the guilty held to account, but do we know for sure it lead to the suicide? (I know may have contributed to it, if he was already at the edge, but that’s not the same thing as causing it)
Was Michael the only one subject to these type of stupid nasty stunts or significantly more often than the others were?
A lot of people are claiming Michael was Gay, what is the evidence for this?
Was he bullied by heterosexuals because he was Gay, or homosexuals because he was not Gay enough? What is the evidence of his tormentors sexuality playing a part in this?
We need to be careful here we uncover as many actual proven facts as possible.

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Nice try, ‘father’. Out here in the real world putting porn under someone’s door and sexy notes on their bed, is harassment regardless of the target’s orientation.
And incidentally harassment is illegal.

And just as a hint, talking about Michael’s alleged sexual orientation in an attempt to minimize his trauma and the offence is right up there with saying how much children enjoy being sexually abused.

Pat and Robert it’s increasingly clear you’re on to a big one here.

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5:15 those are important questions I’d also like answered, despite the troll @6:16 desperately hoping they aren’t answered.

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6.16: I agree with you. Robert and Pat should continue to seek full truth and justice re: Michael. There is a problem with the exchange of commentary and information being shared, asked for and the dissection of that information. None of us are experts in clinical investigations and the continuance of this issue is eliciting horrible opinions. Is there a case now for this issue to be given completely to An Gardai? Surely any further speculating, commenting, name referencing and innuendo may prejudice a professional investigation? I also agree with you that harrassment, bullying and intimidation is totally unacceptable especially when forced in a person against their wishes and when used for the purpose of destroying another person. There is at times in this blog a tolerance of harrassment, bullying and intimidation against named individuals. Perhaps we each need to evaluate our conscience.

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@6:57 Doesn’t want the circumstances to come out. Your not dealing with weak defenceless seminarians now. Keep digging RN and Pat you’re getting there, the trolls give themselves away every time.

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2:41pm – OK, it all makes sense now – “disappear” (as the PP said to the Drunk) or make the problem “disappear” – otherwise known as the MIAs we often hear of on this blog. A genuine act of apology eliminates the requirement to engage in further fruitless defence of the indefensible & further entanglement into the web of deceit. Is not the Church all about Peace & Reconciliation – after all it’s a short life here on earth. 😇. Robert is clearly rattling those who wish for him to step back.

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RoboPat has not exactly got the response you two had hoped for, keep your enemies closer none the less

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Michael was not gay but apparently targeted by a gay cabal. It does appears to have been a genuine case of targeting someone. These men who targeted him may be moral cowards but I doubt they’d ever be found guilty of manslaughter.

I watched R Nugents latest video and it does make for uncomfortable listening but I’m not sure it constitutes systemic bullying – rather the kind of antics that one would expect to find in an all male environment like boarding schools and seminaries at the time. ( that doesnt make it right but such behaviour was normalised.) We live in more enlightened times one would hope.

I was in Maynooth in the mid 80’s early 90’s and all sorts of silly and sometimes dangerous pranking would go on – and the tales of drunken staff were legendary – both my Moral and Dogmatic theology lecturers were more fond of the bottle than was seemly – both has ‘spots’ in the local pub. The Roost. and that would be the tip of the iceberg.

Curiously, as I gay man, I don’t remember any gay cliches – the place was distinctly heteroaexual. I’m not saying gay men weren’t in Maynooth but they certainly were not in the ascendancy.

Going back to Nugents letter. Such information might be useful but unless the sender of that and other letters comes forward to make a statement and can back that statement up with times and dates – it’s pointless.

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6.26pm. I was in Maynooth around the same time as you (we may even be from the same class, lol) and I remember the pranks, whether it be the fire hose being used in Rhetoric, phone pranks, hurling in Long Corridor, throwing food in the ref and the mucking about that apparently went on in Donal McMahon’s classes. The staff and student drinking was wild, but with the students it mostly occurred in Dublin on Sundays. I don’t remember it in the rooms and the village pubs and the SU were out of bounds.
There was a strong boarding school atmosphere around the place, which wasn’t that surprising, given that a big chunk of the student population had been boarders in the diocesan colleges not long before coming to Maynooth and much of the living arrangements resembled a large boarding school at the time. There were nearly 350 resident sems in my time, nearly all of whom had huge personalities, so there was quite a vibe to it.
I agree with you about the firmly heterosexual atmosphere then. Plenty of sems left because they got girlfriends and if there was any gay sex happening it was extremely well hidden. Frank Duhig kicked out anyone he suspected was gay, though his gaydar was sometimes defective.

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Pat you have challenged Robert N in today’s blog. Why aren’t you challenging him to answer your questions?
Or is it just giving the impression that you are challenging him on his stance.
Robert needs to make reparation. I can understand the human inclination not to want to get involved in a situation in which he holds some of the men of Silverstream in high esteem but he simply cannot be taken seriously as a man attempting to address the issues of bullying and harassment when he is guilty of the same behaviour towards a man who was also bullied, harassed and scapegoated. It’s hubris and hypocrisy.
We might be inclined to take him more seriously if he told us how he was going to address and make reparations for his treatment of Dom A.

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Robert, put the Silverstream stuff to bed, give the full story of your involvement/knowledge, your current view, and what yourself and/or Pat could do to resolve it/mediate, and help repair anything that needs to be repaired. If you made mistakes, you made mistakes. They can be sorted. Then people will be more willing to support your campaign. Pax.

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Shouldn’t you be encouraging him to answer.

Because as it stands he’s not responding to you or anyone else. It feels like BOTH of you are dodging the bullet.

I’d really like him to answer.

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6.45: Another way of sayin – my dear followers, please screw the s**t out of Robert. The tool of the master devious one! Cowardism not courage.

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Robert is trying, bless him, prob means well to a certain degree…. there’s a reason why folks within church won’t acknowledge pat… Robert will be the example why…

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The Guardian Live. Mary Beard: The Twelve Caesars. Wednesday 9 March. 8pm-9pm G.M.T. Amongst the topics to be covered she will ask “ What does the face of power look like?” I have referenced the twelve Caesars and Suetonius on this blog before in relation to the RCC. Mary Beard is taking up in conversation what she addressed in her most recent publication. I think it relates to all that is going on in this cyber space at this time…. Whatever is going on off it….. I have never in my life commented on anything I don’t have a handle on…. but power is destructive no matter who is exerting it.

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8.06
Perhaps a personage of your observational acumen had found their way up there……?

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Question for Robert unrelated today’s UNANSWERED challenge.

Where do women figure in your vision of the church? I’ve watched video after video of you addressing the guys – come on men – your mission to be good fathers – form men’s groups – prayer groups – mens rosary groups. Haven’t we had enough of the male patriarchy.

The only hint of the feminine mentioned in your exhortation to the church is of the Mother Church or the BVM? What gives Robert. No room for women in your vision of the church.

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Catriona

The churches are full of women. It’s the men who are unchurched and who need to be welcomed in too.

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I haven’t followed enough to know who Robert is and what he’s about but I have read this piece and briefly skimmed the recent blog of the video where Robert repeatedly says that ‘welcomes to be challenged’…

Then I laughed…😂😂

He will make short work of you robert, nó offense, but pat does like the stimulation!

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7.49: Patricia, you are right. We’ve had enough male patriarchy in the Church. I think you miss the point of Robert’s invitation to men in general. Men have a reticence to speak about their emotional needs, to speak about their faith and religious beliefs, to be honest with each other about priblems that affect them. I believe Robert is reaching out to this cohort of men and is not reinforcing any type of patriarchy. His min8strybin thus regard is very eelcomevand necessary. Inviting men to oray necessary is not a sin, for God’s sake!! Neither is his spiritual awakening call to men a sin!! Patricia, have you worked in any capacity in Church settings or parishes? Try it and you’ll soon discover a nasty matriarchy among the women. Sorry, but so true. Are Men’s Shed a firm of patriarchy? Is an all male choir a patriarchy? Only if it’s a church choir in your eyes? But – I do not have time for church male hierarchy.

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@8:28, well said, Catholic churches are now largely empty of men, Men and Catholic family men in particular, are now constantly under attack in secular society, and there’s nothing wrong with Robert supporting men’s prayer groups etc. in the Church.

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The Church has been feminised since the high middle ages with the rise of “bridal mysticism.” In the New Testament, Jesus is compared to a bridegroom who’s going to come for his bride – his followers. The bride symbolizes the church as a whole.
But in the Middle Ages, female mystics, following the lead of Catholic thinkers like Bernard of Clairvaux, began developing an interpretation of the bridegroom/bride relationship as representing that which existed not only between Christ and the collective church, but Christ and the individual soul. Jesus became not only a global saviour, but a personal lover, whose union with believers was described by Christian mystics with erotic imagery. Men could not see themselves as the Bride of Christ so the priesthood was taken over by gay men as it was easier for them to see themselves as a Bride of Christ. That’s the gist of it anyway.

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Bp Pat, as your a bishop, you could write the appropriate letter needed to allow Dom Benedict to move on with his life. I don’t think anyone would challenge it. After all, it is the priory in disgrace, not the Oratory.

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All vagueness as usual, not specific, nothing measurable, nothing tangible, the perfect watery new age mission statement for the ball less.

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8.48: What a waste of space you are. If so enlightened, give us your mission vision. Oh, you don’t have one, you lazy sod and ignoramus. If Christ appeared and spoke his gospel, you’d probably spit in his face.

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10:02 : My, how Christ like of you, if only Jesus had got with the programme and written a vague watery mission statement instead with lots of wriggle room for you and your “lifestyle”. Newsflash : He didn’t. You should read that Gospel carefully sometime. Repent and believe in the Gospel . . for thou art dust and unto dust thou shall return.

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Bingo. I was waiting for some fool to call Robert Nugent a failed seminarian 😆
You guys haven’t heard of institutional neurosis have you – perhaps this will be the next buzzword that the faithless misuse on here.

Experts in humanity my arse.

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9.27
One needs at least seven neurosis ( Latin Grammar police….go get a coffee) to be ” normal” ( a horrible word) !!!

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10.21: What is your way to renew and upbuild the Church? Criticise, condemn and sneer? Tell us of your great vision. You’ve been rattled, haven’t you, sir? Seems you are a sod!

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Further to some men I named yesterday: The All-Time Gentleman of Maynooth in my time ( apart from Pat Crean Lynch) was Gerard or Gerry Gallagher of Klilmore Diocese. He was an unbelievably together human being, even in Maynooth of my time. He was ordained and left after some years to marry. I know he has a lovely wife and children and very happy. I had the honour of meeting him quite a number of years ago now. He found the secret to life and declared it in his living. There were many others……There is a large measure of accuracy to 6.26 and 7.42 above, I was 1982 to 1989 years.

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10.05

How terribly sacerdotal of you. The stuff of sacristy and presbytery. Crude and vulgar . You need an outlet for that sort of comment.

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You’ve sex and clerics on the brain, William . . . a fitting summary of this blog in a nutshell.

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We’re coming to the end of the day and as expected Robert Nugent dodges the legitimate questions posed to him by Pat and some of his contributors.
That can only be because he can’t answer those questions.
I’m now beginning to think that that might have been the intention – pose the question and let Robert expose himself for the sincere but misguided and hypocritical man he is.
He claims he is not on a mission or a crusade but in several of his videos he claims that he and Pat are going to sort out these issues in 2022. What is that if not a mission or crusade?
In his Window to Hell video, he suggests that he believes he is called to address these issues and prays to Our Lady and Our Lord for their help with this mission. in fairness, he also prays that he is making the right decisions – again this suggests, he sees his actions as some type of mission/vocation.
I don’t have a problem with him thinking that – he might even be right – but he has yet to answer just one legitimate question – How can he not see the hypocrisy of his championing the bullied and harassed in the church (which he loves) when he was the bully and harasser of a man who reached out to him for help – a member of that same church?

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And now . . . the end is near . . . it’s time to draw . . the final curtain . . .I’ve covered up Thurles . . .myyyyyy waaaaaaay.

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Bored now…

To be continued….

Pat, how has our new priests that were assigned last augest/Sept to the west in their new parishes doing in their new communities… Any update…

Also the old and new bishops of ferns etc…

Would love an update haven’t been around, been on a journey, a spiritual one indeed 😁..

I hope there some positive changes and news afoot etc…

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Pat Buckley is a very good person. I have never subscribed to the sundering of priests by bishops…by papal mandate or not…..but that is what bishops do….publicly and cynically in private. I marvel and am astonished at his human development in spite of being ostracised by the Roman Catholic Cabal. Paddy Walsh was given the order to terminate Buckley on an Ad Limina visit. Walsh, clearly a wise and prudent man left well enough alone ( he would have known the Cathal Daly type well!!!). Pat Buckley and his Blog are a conscience for a failed church on the island of Ireland. There were and are forces that would like to silence and terminate this Blog. I am positive there will not be another man like Pat who has the motivation and the talent ( to quote Ronan Drury on another individual : a very talented and amiable Derry P.P.) to do the like of this again. This Blog has a purpose….but it will take another decade or two for that purpose to clearly manifest itself. Pat Buckley has a good heart…..even the men he has sundered here, I am positive he would help ( no consolation perhaps ) because insofar as is possible he has integrated the Nazarene in the way he conducts his affairs….few if any of his 26 brothers on this island ( aux s and retired not included) have done the same….because of Corporate Compliance.

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10:17 Indeed Willie, if only more Bishops would let priests do as they please and have homosexual partners in line with the Gospel, all would be well in the Church.

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10.39

To spare you the scandal that would keep you from sleep, I shall neither direct you to the poetry of John Durcan and the Twelve Disciples or the Biblical Scholarship that has never seen the light of day….the categories you use are less than 160 years old. I hope I don’t sound patronising ( Lol Lol) but your mind and thinking is imprisioned by the years of your birth ( and death). Research of the dichotomies between Mediterranean and Anglo-Saxon cultures to say nothing of Asian and South American approaches would stretch the neurons to a warranted plasticity…..Native American Indian culture particularly. The style of the preceding sentences is emphatically deliberate!!

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Mr Mulvihill (you said you like to be called that) like Benedict Anderson you show the fruit of true learning, of clearly having directed your reading carefully, considered things, placed them in their correct places, formed hypotheses and drawn conclusions. All of them (not in order) being largely the real purpose of higher education. I’m comparison to other commenters here this really stands out, you obviously didn’t get it from seminary and it is no wonder they find you so threatening!

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Wouldnt be the first time someone lost respectable connections with the church over pat…

Your a manipulator, this story with Robert will eventually prove it…

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10.29

Ex Cathedra: There are no respectable connections in the Roman Catholic Church. Bill Mulvihill

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10.49
I spoke up for Pat Buckley since my summer appointment directly after ontological change ( Lol) on the Falls Rd… Divis Flats visitations…..I have met him several times….I have never been in Larne. May I suggest you ask to meet him: he radiates in energy a goodness I have rarely encountered: I have no idea who you are but the gift of maturation is to be open to forever changing in mind whats possible and necessary to be close to the purpose of the human journey: meet Bishop Buckley. Its not so easy to access the rest of them !!

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I was a raised by a very smart man, a character and ree é were n he one… I was trained by the best, beyond smart, I call a spade when I see it… Despite my issues…

I know a manipulator and gamer when I see one….

Aren’t we all lovely at the end of the day…..

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I never suffer suggested he was rotten to the core, neither am I and no most others, I call it like I see it see, it, I’m never wrong, at least I’m honest!

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So you’re now saying men need to be attracted to church but all over a seminarian’s sexuality……
Meanwhile people are telling Robert Nugent that Pat Buckley will do something bad to him while asking about his kids and work….

The reason people don’t go to church is only ever so slightly obvious…..

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The reason people don’t go to church Anglican, Presbyterian, Roman Catholic, Mormon, Methodist, Free Presbyterian and lets not forget the Wee Wee Wee Wee Wee Free’s is become they no longer believe. Its more important on a Sunday morning to get wee dodger ready for the Rugby game and Samantha to be ready for her whirling practice, and poor mam and dad have a hangover from bone or snorting lines of dust so anyway and can’t be arsed. Fair play to them. They are the future. Tarrot Cards and Mystics galore. And lets not forget mediums so they can talk too the dead Granny

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The ex Ossory and Killaloe seminarians were violently abused. Time period within the last 5 yrs. The lads received medical attention and psychological care. One recently attempted to take his life.

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‘Remember that all through history, there have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they seem invincible. But in the end, they always fall. Alway’
To Maynooth Seminarian abusers and those on Staff, judgment will prevail

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A Maynooth seminarian who does not consent to Anal Sex is a raped Seminarian. How is your man in BBC Radio doing 😱 he didn’t last long after his BA payed for my Eamon Martin.

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Garda Confidential line, 1800 666 111. Pat please encourage all who have information on the Seminary sex abuse in Maynooth and the former Seminary In Thurles to come forward

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Robert Nugent reminds me of Niall McConnell from Donegal (see Youtube, or Google) They seem to be craving for attention. Robert seems to be dropping the anti-vaccine agenda and he is now onto something else. More popcorn please!

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I don’t think you’re going to discredit or derail Robert and Pat’s campaign that handy. You’re not dealing with defenceless seminarians this time.

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