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THERE ARE AT LEAST 4 MORE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL HARRASSMENT BY KIRBY AT SILVERSTREAM 😞

“HIS PENIS WOULD BE HANGING OUT”.

I have been given the names and details of four more men who say that Kirby sexually harassed them during their stay at Silvetstream.

I have been refused permission to name them on the Blog for now.

All 4, for different reasons, are afraid of reprisals of various kinds.

Below I publish some the things men said about what happened:

(1) JIM was an early visitor to SP, an aspirant to receive the habit. JIM kept an absolutely meticulous journal of his time at SP. JIM stayed for several months and helped with setting up the house, etc. JIM speaks of Dom Kirby’s bizarre physical and emotional inappropriateness towards Dom Andersen (who was a novice then); this is all related in his journal with some detail. JIM was also personally severely “gaslighted” (in the true sense of the term) and manipulated severely by Kirby. Kirby encouraged JIM, used him, and then found an excuse to turn him out when his presence became undesirable (some of this had to do with the JIM’s curiousity about the “messages” that Kirby would write into his notebook during adoration of the Blessed Sacrament). Since leaving, JIM (a meticulous researcher with many connections) has learned extensively about Kirby’s “gay sexcapades” (his term), while a priest and solemnly professed Cistercian monk, from Washington DC all the way up to Rhode Island. JIM feels so strongly about what he experienced that he would come forward, but only under the right circumstances. JIM has to be careful, as he has now a semi-public persona.

(2) BILL was an early postulant to SP. Unlike the first, sent a formal testimony to the visitation. This individual testified to the following: (a) being scandalised over Kirby’s gross mismanagement of funds and the engagement of unqualified workers who produced shoddy work; (b) Kirby as a master manipulator who sought to use people, especially those with talents and money, to further his ego-driven project; (c) Kirby shared with others in the community and even with outside visitors (over a cup of tea) intimate details of BILL’s mental health situation, things that BILL had shared expecting complete pastoral confidentiality (this is of course also a medical data protection issue); (d) Kirby broke pastoral confidentiality by telling BILL all about Dom Andersen’s personal background (including difficult family matters), as well as information about Dom Andersen’s medical situation. Kirby would send Andersen away, except for the fact that Andersen’s talent in designing newsletters meant that he could not let him go for financial reasons. (e) Kirby once took BILL aside privately to tell him, in “horrible detail”, stories about Kirby’s years of sexual abuse by his uncle. These stories confused and disturbed BILL, and he is still haunted by them. One detail that’s never left BILL is that Kirby’s uncle was known all around New Haven, Connecticut, as “Blw-jb” Kirby (he was known around town as a go-to guy for fellatio). To this day, BILL does not understand why Kirby shared this with him. (f) BILL summarised his experiences thus: “Finally, with the benefit of years of hindsight, I can only regard Dom Mark Daniel Kirby as a disturbed individual and master manipulator who has been driven by ego and delusional thinking (see: In Sinu Jesu) into founding a quasi-messianic monastery which he thinks is going to save Ireland and the world.” Again, all of this was presented to the visitation.

(3) AIDAN was another individual who had been in formation at SP. AIDAN is a very reserved individual and I think that Kirby would have been very cautious about any kind of “touching”. However, AIDAN speaks of feeling extreme pressure and manipulation, both emotional and spiritual, about staying at SP. As is Kirby’s modus operandi, he would recruit others both inside and outside the monastery to pressure AIDAN into staying. AIDAN felt trapped. He liked SP in some ways but he did not feel that he had a monastic vocation. Despite telling this to Kirby, the pressure continued until AIDAN simply had to cut things off and leave. AIDAN, being a very reserved person, does not wish to come forward about this; he simply wants to move on from the experience.

(4) DAVE is individual who lived at SP for a year as a volunteer. DAVE has a harrowing story about his time at SP that is in some ways even worse than what Dom Andersen publicly testified to. DAVE came to SP in a very vulnerable state and a low time in his life. DAVE experienced the typical Kirby pattern of gushing over someone, setting them up, making them feel special and chosen … then, when you become inconvenient or displeasing, he will not only drop you like something worthless, he will seek to destroy your reputation. DAVE felt very pressured to become a monk, which he did not want to do; Kirby brought in other people to try to convince him to stay. One time Kirby told DAVE that “Saint Therese” told Kirby personally that DAVE needed to stay and take the habit. Among the specific physical things DAVE speaks of was Kirby’s habit of coming to his cell in late at night, waiting about a half hour after Compline so as not to be seen by other monks. This man would be in bed in his underwear, and Kirby would say, “It’s okay, don’t change”. Kirby would sit on DAVE’s bed, and even pat DAVE’s on his upper thigh. When DAVE skirmed or showed discomfort, Kirby would say that “it’s nothing gay”, it’s just “Mediterranean”, culturally different from uptight Anglo-Saxon culture, etc. On one occasion, Kirby, during one of these late night visits, asked DAVE if he masturbated, and joked that this individual’s ethnicity is known to be “well hung”. In addition to what he experienced, DAVE could see clearly the psychological, emotional, and spiritual abuse to which Dom Andersen was subjected by Kirby. DAVE does not wish to come forward because he has experienced many terrible things in the Church and his reputation has been destroyed as a result

Additional, minor, testimonials:

(5) A high ranking priest of the RCC in America submitted to the visitation a sworn testimony about his personal experiences with Kirby, including financial issues and Kirby’s penchant for using his abuse story as a “grooming” technique. He expressed also his concern for Dom Andersen and the way in which he has been treated as a result of his revelations about Kirby.

(6) A high ranking priest in the USA with an international profile has spoken of his deep concerns about a novice under Dom Kirby’s care in Tulsa. He has first-hand knowledge of that novice’s 72 hour disappearance from the Tulsa monastery, and regards Dom Kirby as extremely intelligent and a master of spiritual and emotional manipulation.

(7) A Benedictine superior has expressed concerns, privately, about Kirby’s treatment of this young novice who came into his community after being under Kirby’s spiritual care. He does not have proof but the young man’s fragile state could be easily taken to indicate some kind of emotional manipulation or sexual interference.

(8) An American religious and distinguished canon lawyer has said that Kirby’s “sexcapades” all over the eastern seaboard are the stuff of legends in religious communities especially in Washington DC.

(9) The family of a monk have expressed deep concerns about their son remaining at SP. The monk, a young man, would seem to be still at SP.

(10) A seminary instructor knows Dom Kirby from many years ago. More specifically, he has knowledge of Kirby’s sexual profligacy. He spoke to one of his superiors about whether or not he should share his knowledge with the Bishop of Meath in order to back up Dom Andersen. This official told him not to say anything, as it would be “bad for the Traditional Catholic movement”. This individual will not speak out because he is afraid of reprisals from individuals connected to Silverstream Priory.

These new reports and testimonials are very worrying.

No one is asking for Silverstream to be closed.

But Mark Kirby SHOULD NOT be living there.

Kirby needs help.

Young monks need to be protected from him.

ROBERT NUGENT APOLOGY

273 replies on “THERE ARE AT LEAST 4 MORE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL HARRASSMENT BY KIRBY AT SILVERSTREAM 😞”

Heartbreaking to see this. For Transparency Dom Mark must leave the monastery to allow Bishop Deenihan time to review all this. We also need to ensure that Dom Benedict has closure. Regards Robert Nugent

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Agreed. Dom Mark must leave. Dom Benedict must be apologised to and a great wrong put right.

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Dear Dom Benedict, I apologise for not believing you. Let’s allow time now for people to work on the testimonies.

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9.53: Yes, Dom Kirby should be laicised and returned to his home country. He should not be in the monastery. His presence is destructive. The Bishop of Meath must immediately seek Dom Mark’s resignation and ensure the wellbeing in every respect of the monks who genuinely feel a calling to monasticism. This delusional cult like man, Kirby, must be ousted. Robert protected the reputation of this man while ignoring Dom Anderson. I find this reality abhorrent especially when I listen to Robert’s videos. This monastery now requires professional supervision.

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Greetings Bishop Pat from
Texas. I have a story about a newly ordained priest now based in Ireland. Are you available on Skype or TEAMS?

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9.46: Robert, why did you give your allegiance so profusely and unapologetically to Mark Kirby and wrote nastily about Dom Anderson? As much as I admire your ministry for men, your integrity in these matters is shot through.

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Robert, what rock are you under atm? Come out in force you are Catholic just ask for forgiveness

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Pat: produces yet more Silverstream harassment.
The cathbots: turn it into an opportunity to have a go at Robert.

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Just get HIM out of SP before a lasting damage is done to ‘trad movements’.

Quite frankly from my experience, he’s quite dangerous in terms of manipulation and coercion.

Little details above 👆are quite disturbing. I can’t comprehend as to why he’s STILL there despite previous warnings.

Think total buck stops with Bishop of Meath.

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He was busy posing in Catholic Live Newspaper this week – I don’t think these self entitled Little Kings do much if anything about this sort of thing. They have their litter picks keeping things relatively tidy looking & don’t want surfaces scratched.

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Does Bishop Deenihan even know any of this, chances are if RN etc. didn’t many do not.
We should not assume everyone does.

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Yes, these narcissistic types should be ejected but that does not happen & they are supported by their Bishops. It’ll be interesting to see what response Deenihan will make in these circumstances highlighted here today.

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Dead guy you have been quiet lately are you still running round with the mystery guy from ikea or still pretending to folk you love lesbian action

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10.11: Robert: this is nauseating. Seriously. You are too late in owning your big mistake and this apology is an attempt to restore some credibility. Please stop telling us in your videos that “..this came to us…we didnt look for it…guys, this stuff came to us…. “

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I disagree. I think it’s admirable that he has acknowledged his mistake and apologised. He has regained some credibility in my opinion. I would still question the ‘tone’ of some of his recent videos but I think it’s admirable that he has publicly apologised.

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I agree with 1.01am Robert has apologised publicly which is a step in the right direction. He has admitted his mistake so let him have time to reflect. Peace be with him. PAX

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10:17, it is the testimony of Dom Andersen that Kirby was personally charismatic and dynamic, inspiring trust and painting an attractive vision for monastic life. Some people only knew the altar angel side of Kirby, blinded by his charisma. Kirby pulled the wool over their eyes.

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And now some people blame and attack the deceived for being taken in by him instead of Kirby. Pretty typical. Blame does lie with the Bishop who did not do his due diligence on this man, and with those in the US that did not pass their concerns about him onto Ireland. This crap needs to stop.

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10:17 is trying to turn the attention away from Kirby and wind up Robert.
I’m just looking to see if a vendetta is part of pontifical vesture.

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Hahaha his over use of the work ‘guys’ is truly nauseating, says it like a true homosexual, “guyzzzzzz”

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6:25 I’m not sure you get this blog, we’re not the marrying or celibate type round here.

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If “Angelico Press” has any moral sense, they’d pull “In Sinu Jesu” from distribution immediately.

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Yes. They should. Jesus does not talk to people who secretly try and show their genitals to young monks etc.

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+Pat @ 10:30pm 11/02 The NT is full of Jesus talking to sinners and there appears a popular conception that healings could be wrought through other powers, not that i believe that anything good Kirby has done comes from evil and those comforted by his words and apparent actions should not doubt.
What is in increasing doubt is Kirby’s fitness to have pastoral care over anyone and I hope that he and those of his ilk will soon be removed from arenas whereby they can wreak grave harm.

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Has anyone informed them in writing of the details? Those that are in a position to do so, need to, and anyone else that needs to be warned.

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I hope and pray that all who are hurt and damaged by Kirby will find healing. I pray that the present monks will be safe and well and that they can be strong in growing in community. I hope they have a good Prior. God bless them. Our Lady, protect them.

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What has this church become? Everyday more and more stories emerge of disgusting anti Christ behaviours yet still people follow it. Why?

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This reply may burn some trolls ears . . . the answer is because these abusers and their incompetent superiors although now prolific in the Church, are not the Church and never were, and they shall not be allowed to prevail. Of course it would suit many if they were the Church or can be portrayed as such.

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Except they are the church. You can’t be Catholic and say that they are not.
They have also been given a vocation to priesthood/monastery/religious life by the church. The days when we would accept excuses are gone.

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St Barbara is the Patron Saint of Tunnels. Her statue was placed at Crossrail project – will they be erecting a statue of St Barbara in Tuam & places like it.

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And if you think it’s bad now, wait until it totally run by the teams of toxic lay foot soldiers they are training to replace clergy due to lack of vocations. We can see here how genuine seminarians are abused so no wonder so many become disillusioned or are forced to escape for their own safety & sanity.

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Yep, I’m a lay person, and confirm that there are plenty of lay people now “taking over” that are just as toxic, and who are either hell bent on teaching heresy as well, and/or don’t have proper knowledge of the Catholic teaching. There’s an even bigger mess coming and as usual no one in the hierarchy is doing anything about it.

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Doesn’t it just “say it all” that this blog is crawling with toxic clergy types searching for clues so they can avenge victims that refuge here with Bishop Pat. What a Nauseating self serving Mafia without a shred of genuine humanity.

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It is not their fault nobody goes to confession any more so they can’t get their jollies there. My bad, it is their fault.

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Pat, a very hard read and very sad.
Will you also afford Pseudonyms to former seminarians who were not ordained in Thurles/Carlow/Maynooth/Waterford going forward? People who were ordained to diaconate and/or ordained priests in public are fair game. Some people are using your blog to hurt and bully ex-seminarians. If they describe them but use a ‘pseudonym’ people who know, will know. Bill Mulvihill does it well he describes them and those who know, know who he means and “join the dots”, but I think he usually only names priests. I think you’d certainly get further with ex seminarians divulging knowledge that way.

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If these things are true Kirby is exactly the kind of man who has been totally endorsed by the system and his behaviour minimised as human faults.
Once again he is strikingly similar to Abbot Cuthbert Brogan, although while Brogan has always been certain he was the only man to be abbot he isn’t quite as delusional about God talking to him.

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To me it totally makes sense that Kirby would ask him “how is your relationship with your father?”. Conversion therapists promote the theory that a poor father-son relationship causes a boy to grow up gay. Conversion therapy is extremely popular among conservative and traddy Catholics in America. Conversion therapists do not sincerely believe that conversion therapy is efficacious and they only practice conversion therapy as a way of accessing vulnerable young victims, i.e., conversion therapy is a grooming strategy.
Conversion/reparative therapists are always homosexual, and they are almost always nonces. Courage Apostolate’s support for the conversion therapist Joseph Nicolosi tells you everything you need to know about Courage Apostolate.
The phrase ‘same sex attraction’ is conversion therapy terminology and the term originates from the conversion therapy movement. Do no use this term. Please use the terms ‘gay man’, ‘lesbian’, homosexual man/woman/person.

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11:14. How about just calling them fellow man, woman, friend and human being for a change? It’s time to stop playing the toxic identity politics game and stop labelling and categorising people by sexuality, it does not define people any more than skin colour or hair colour. People are much more than that.

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11:28 Tell that to the Mark Kirby types, it’s all about sex sex sex and power power power.

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11.28
Yeah that’s bullshit. It is you who obsess about labels and the emphasis you place on the significance of labels is borderline superstitious. Courage Apostolate’s obsession with language is radical and had no theological basis.
Who the hell uses the term ‘identity politics’? It’s a dog-whistle term used by right-wing authoritarian nationalists, i.e., fascists.
Do you have trouble keeping the lint of your black shirts?

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Sex is all about power, even when we deny ourselves our own normal desires, needs and wants by become a priest

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What a revealing comment, 11:17. I hope everyone has the sense to see you coming and not get into a relationship with you. Most people think sex is about love and only abusers think it’s about power.

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12:50, yeah sure, Mark Kirby and all the other homo abusers and sleaze in the Church is really just all about “love” and not sex and power. lol. Marky loves ya baby. mmmmm.

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2:10 Thank you for revealing your view that an abuser’s viewpoint is normal. Not very bright are you 🐐

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2:19, thanks in true troll fashion for pretending what was written instead of what actually was. Thankfully the readers here are not as stupid as you’d like to think, and a lot “brighter” than your self projecting self. Pax.

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11.14
You are speaking shibboleths. People are quite entitled to use the wording which best suits what the want to say. Grow up.

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The President of North Macedonia is teaching all people in the world a new path, his act is heroic. A pedagogy for all…..indeed pertinent to subjects covered on this Blog. The zealots of Christian Faiths and other religions could take note before they crush the many bruised reeds. I just read the coverage and saw the photograph on CNN. Too late for many who have been bullied by many humans.

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It may be unpopular to say so, but when is the Church and Church management going to face up to the fact it’s rotten to the core now with toxic homosexuality?

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The core of the church is made up of gays, but NOT, toxic ones, they are a few, which get more exposure.

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Gays? You mean those people who aren’t allowed in the priesthood? And this isn’t toxic….
I hate to think what you would call toxic.

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Then why not do something about it? Deciding to keep silent over such systemic crimes is a toxic decision to make.

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10:55 Other than the Bishops and Cardinals who are mostly also Gay, who can do anything about it? They turn a blind eye to it constantly and the fools end up reaping what they sow.

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If anyone thinks that getting rid of Dom Kirby would make Silverstream a going concern please bear in mind that the whole community have had their entire formation under his supervision and inspiration. The effects of that will be long lasting in the monastery, and it will always be his baby.

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Stefano Taddei used to attend Kirby for Corporal Mortification . Stefano believed if Kirby flogged his bare back it would remove impure thoughts. Stefano needed psychiatric care and was homeless 😔. Pat was it ethical or even legal for Kirby to resort to whipping vulnerable adult men without a medical team present, to care for the wounds on his back?

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I don’t understand the bits about external pressure being used by outside priests to encourage the people to stay in the monastery. What’s all that about?

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People like Kirby are very skilled at marshaling others into their schemes of manipulation. Fr Hogan is the one who got Kirby from Tulsa to Meath, and still serves on the board of Silverstream. The PP of St Kevin’s Harrington Street was at one time very supportive of Silverstream, and also served on the board.

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What about the Garda Vetting Service or are clergy exempt? Surely if these individuals made Statements, this dreadful, manipulative & dangerous individual could be extracted from Silverstream or at least suspended pending a full investigation. That might make things a bit safer there.

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I once knew a real man who referred to himself as Prince. He was a pimp and drug dealer. It’s probably the same guy.

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Knowing this cesspit, probably something to do with having a Prince Albert, and getting off on the abuse details.

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11:30pm – they know well it’s rotten to the core – that seems to be how they like it. What they don’t like is victims pointing it out.

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Peter Kay and Susan Boyle —- ‘I know him so well’ | for Comic Relief | for others; for charity. For the kids who have nothing, both here and abroad. And to help them while growing up and, in a safe and caring environment. Wth iPads for education and keeping in touch with family, friends and other good people; and toys. But most importantly: stability and security for the future.
I’ll do my bit; but I can’t do it alone… we’re better together x
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https://youtu.be/v8q0v1FIX7U

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Pat, the reference to advice on masturbation is disgraceful if true and worryingly familiar from a situation I have been made aware of recently in the not too distant past in Northern Ireland. What is the Church playing at with individuals such as these celebrating Mass?

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But is what Kirby does with these young men just a more blunt approach than the priests quizzing young men on masturbation during the sacrament of confession? It’s all much the same

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The name of the game the RCC is playing is acted out each day or night on their altars when u check back over previous blogs. We don’t know the half of it – goodness knows what else they up to off the altar.

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Have confirmed the Rt Revd Michael Burrows as Bishop-Designate of the recently United Dioceses of Tuam, Limerick & Killaloe date effective April 14, 2022. Has served as Bishop of Cashel, Ferns & Ossary since 2006. He previously served as Dean of Cork, Rector of Bandon, was Church of Ireland Chaplain at TCD & Curate in Douglas with Frankfield. He succeeds the two recently retired Bishops, Rt Revd Patrick Rooke (formerly Bishop of Tuam, Killala & Achonry) & Rt Revd Dr Kenneth Kearon (formerly Bishop of Limerick & Killaloe) – both retired October 2021 at which time both Dioceses were United.

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It’s enough to make one consider joining the Free Presbyterian Church, and I’m not joking.
There’s a sleeve element attracted to all Churches, but there’s a limit to how much you can take and listen to.

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I see Francis and the Nuncio have put Galway and Clonfert under the same bishop. It’s a start.

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2:28AM – you posting on here at that hour of the night – best place for you to go “stand corrected” would be that Boiler Room joint I’d say 😂😂😂. Otherwise go away to bed for yourself as you’ll find no principles or integrity these days in RCC.

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It’s only a question of time, + Pat. You managed to move Purcell on after quite an effort for him to stay and ignore his problems / dysfunction / toxic behaviour. It will be the same with Kirby. Just keep at it. He will be dislodged one day. These things take time. All things come to those who wait…..

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Can Kirby be called up to fight in a potential USA war with Russia in Ukraine? If so; I pray for WARld War 3

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I have no sympathy for these young adults who have put up with this, put up or shut up, or bloody do something about it after the first time and nip it in the head. Forget growing a set off balls, these complaints need to grow a set of tits

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9:42am – Well Said – that’s their modus operandi – their barbed narcissism knows no bounds – a high demonstration of zero empathy, principles or integrity seem to qualify them for ordination.

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But the Home Guard were good and decent men, remember. Honorable rather than dishonourable. Even if not fully trained in the art of warfare.

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So here is the low down on why Tommy won’t ask Kirby to leave.
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Leave behind the theology of celibacy – leave behind the motivation of celibacy. We’ll be caught up on “sacrifice for God” -v- protecting the church’s property.
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To live celibacy requires a psychological adjustment away from natural inclination. It take fantastic formation to do this correctly. Many of the older generation priests display(ed) this. We all have examples we love and loath.
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When the formation is not achieved problems arise…. and it seems near impossible to achieve in recent times at seminaries.
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The problem in the main can be summarised as followed.
1. Poorly trained priest interacts with non-priest that he is attracted to, often ministering disproportionately to him/her and blurring the boundaries.
2. The conversation includes, flirtatious compliments undertones which appear to build up the persons confidence, but also build up in an overly-personal way.
3. The previous happens because the blurring of the line resulted in the priest using gospel justifications for acting on his own personal feelings.
4. The priest himself is now in crisis. He has build up an inappropriate personal connection and enters vocational crisis.
5. He tinkers back and forth in his mind as to where he’s taking this…. inadvertently pushing the “friend” back into a new crisis. This may or may not involve sleeping with each other, but those who do not sleep with their “friend” will trick themselves into thinking it was a “close call” rather than a crisis.
6. The priest either leaves ministry, rejects the friend and renews ministry leaving a sense of rejection, or continues the disfunction completely oblivious to his vocational crisis.
7. The ultimate issue is seminaries churning out boys incapable of strapping on their big boy boots. When one gets married or ordained they make a commitment for life – not a “life of discernment” but a ‘life of celibacy”.
8. Yes divorce happens. Yes laicisation happens. Both are legitimate. But the difference is the attitude to committment. If a new husband enters marriage still discerning if he will committ to his wife than it won’t work. Same is true of new priests.
9. What is being said of Kirby indicates that he may be blurring the line, possibly not sleeping with people but flirting with the idea of it in a dysfunctional way.
10. If he were thrown out for this Tommy might have to act in the same way against too many other priests.
11. These are the rantings of a Goat who has seen too much, been tempted, had to bench mark my ministry to particular women over the years to ensure I dont over-connect. I have definitely wanted to compliment women in particular ways. Instead I have taken the words I wanted to say to spiritual direction and to prayer. Ministry does not require me to be perfect, it requires me to know my limits, risks and attractions.ministry is hard but it is never work when we want to be as self-less as our spirit will allow.

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Holy Goat, I would be very interested to hear from you about the adjustment away from natural inclination you mention, what it is and how it works.

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8:53, Good post. People both lay and Clergy have lost of sense of the importance avoiding and running a mile from the “near occasions of sin” as much as from sin itself. Also the Clergy and the laity have lost all sense of a healthy fear of the Lord (like any wise Fisherman has a healthy fear of the Sea) and believe presumptuously they can do as they like and wipe the slate clean later. A lot of them have never even heard of the sin of presumption. Also God hears zero prayers from anyone who has any unconfessed mortal sin, leaving them further open to demonic oppression. It then becomes a vicious slow motion downward spiral. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us sinners.

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@1.00pm
The Lord hears. Don’t ever cod yourself that God depends on confession or any human action.
@10.44
It is a deep rooted acceptance that celibacy is a free choice, not something to be truffles with and involves a way of life, not avoidance of a sexual act.
@10.02
I wouldnt know the exact details only the surface of it.
@9.56
Pot…. kettle… stainless-steel.

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When I was in upper sixth in school I knew I was gay. We had a celebration of mass and confession. Confession was before mass and always in an office where it was face to face with the school chaplain. During one confession session, ‘Fr’ put his hands on just slightly above my knee and I got an erection but he told me to close my eyes and say a prayer with him, his hands never went above my upper knee but I felt as though my erection was like the Eiffel Tower and so prominent. Looking back I now realise that he probably knew and could see this, while he never acted on it, this behaviour of Kirby should be condemned at all times and I am so glad Pat highlights this low level physical/sexual abuse that comes with a higher mental abuse mentality.

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You doing your A’levels now I suppose? You part of me too? Or cancel culture? You say you had an erection, where you born with that penis, naturally? Do you know your gender? Maybe you are pansexual?

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I have had similar experience, but the priest that did this with me is still active in service so I doubt it is the same person? Is this not the first stage of abuse that progresses into smaller but then catastrophic abuse?

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Mark is just a low level deviant sex predator without the balls to act on it, I would say he suffers from small man syndrome despite being 6’8 tall and ‘ooooops’ his manterior slipping out of his thong

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‘Fr’? I don’t even call my own ‘father’ that. He was a sperm donor, only wanted contact when I was 24. Did not raise me. We should stop calling these men ‘fr’ as they are all sperm donors, just in the less reproductive sense

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Another weird video on YouTube this morning from a repentant Robert N asking us to embrace Dom Kirby and Dom Benedict.. Pat he also said your website had been taken down and begged people not to go after you. ??!!

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No one is asking for Silverstream to be closed? From previous blogs, Bp Pat, I thought you also wanted Silverstream closed down.

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I made the comment above about the monks having been formed by Kirby so would be wary of how much it can reform. The adoration part of its life may end up being its downfall because otherwise it could be taken on as a priory by another monastery, staffed with monks from there.
TBH I think the best outcome would be it’s dissolved as an institute of diocesan right and the monks in vows can ask to transfer elsewhere.

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We don’t have the visitation report here but one new agency has obtained that report.. I think it was NCR,not sure.
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Why did that report was stacked in favour of Kirby instead of anderson. Who was advising Deenihan? Coffey, or Dullea, any takers here 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️.

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Why did Deenihan protect kirby, was it because of the surrounding lands and property which could be sold to the builders if rezoned for commercial and donestic use?
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What about the donor ex PP director wife, would she have rights to it cos of her huge donations that kept SP going.
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Its imperative that any future church property to be built with laity money be held in laity trust instead of church property or assets.

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The diocese concluded that DMK’s behaviour didn’t meet the level of sexual abuse. The DPP didn’t prosecute. The diocese have to take responsibility knowing that someone has been credibly accused of harassment.
The Tinder Swindler on Netflix, among many things, has shown how victims can be blamed. They cleverly present the story of the victims to show how they were conned. Some people are still blaming the victims.
DMK is absolutely toxic. When his victims want to get away, he has known time and again how to get them back onside. He knows the emotional strings to pull to get them back onside.
I’ve said many times before that I do not have confidence in the the former Prior nor do I have any confidence in the Priory. +TD must sort it out. The Priory is toxic. +TD will be contaminated if he doesn’t catch himself on and sort it out.
No pax.

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That’s all they do with the likes of Kirby – move them into unsuspecting communities- America is handy – it’s so large.

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10.44: I’m glad you said “troll” not “trolls”. One horrible troll, nasty, vicious and vindictive has pisted many recognisable comments from his poisonous pen. A horrible, horrible human being.

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Robert I think you need to pay more attention when reading the bible where God kills and destroys at length. Estimates of the people he kills in the Hebrew bible vary between 2 million and 25 million.
In the present case it is unlikely in the extreme that Kirby will have formed men able to continue as a stable monastic community. That is why he won’t take anyone who has been anywhere else – if you have you can see the all sorts of wrong going on there.

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One has to wonder about the background stories of the remaining monks at the priory. They’ll all be queer, of course.

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Kirby needs to be defrocked and booted out of Church, or he will go on doing this somewhere else as soon as the dust settles. The place needs to be closed down, disinfected, exorcised, name changed, and given to a responsible order. (Traditional or otherwise). None of this will happen though, and like Maynooth we’ll be hearing future abuse stories from Silverstream in years to come, while suckers like RN defend it to the hilt.

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I wonder if all these homo priests and brothers spent as much time in prayer from the heart and reading scripture as they do obsessing about sex and power, would we be in this mess? I think not. I hear the trolls hissing and spitting now from here.

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And the rest of them are power mad so they spend their time on that & on covering up for their errant colleagues so that requires gatekeeping & on this blog, so no time at all left for prayers.

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Gay men on the whole make wonderful priests, nurses and are caring in other roles — that’s why they usually work in such roles.
It is the abusers and nasty types who are disgusting — abusers and nasty types usually gravitate towards anywhere were there are vulnerable or unsuspecting people.
Likewise, not all Social workers or Police men / Women, are disingenuous.
Remember, you get your rotten apples in all gardens —- only when they are rotten, they make things look bad for the whole garden.
Not all priests or vicars and ministers are bad —- very much the opposite, in fact! However, the nasty groups really know how to make trouble for the good and honest ministers of God.
Scripture says the evil one will attack good people in different ways; that even means their good characters or good ministries.
This is why 1 Peter 5: 8 tells us, “Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.”.
Verse 9 reads: “Resist him, standing firm in your faith…”
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For those who believe: The devil is rather the one who, spiritually speaking, does everything in his, or her, power to cause disunity — disharmony — from the very centre, outwards. That is the evil one’s only goal: to separate and cause mistrust; to cause confusion, which ultimately leads to isolation from God… and when we are isolated we are much easy a target 🎯
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And for those who do not believe: The diabolical person, or persons, (dia-bolos in Greek meaning ‘the one who divides’). One whose actions and intentions are evil and selfish, to the extent they have total disregard for others; certainly the unsuspecting and innocence (something, sadly, which Frontline workers can identify more than likely identity with!).
Victims of these evil and selfish men and women, often more than not, are more vulnerable than others.
That’s the very meaning of the phrase “The Diabolical” (from: Diabolos, meaning: the causer of disunity and disharmony; one who creates chaos and confusion; disunity among those unsuspecting. Allowing for easier attack of innocence… sadly, very real harm and attack; physical and, or other.
And whether or not you believe in the tooth fairy or Father Christmas, Or bother indeed both, is totally irrelevant.
The fact is: the manifestation of evil is very real in our world; even as described in the Bible: Old and New Testaments, and even the Quran.
If you don’t believe in the Devil (or even hell) —- then are not your options, upon valid reflection, now, at the very least a 50/50 either way?

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Pat it’s like, “oh leave me alone Brendan Coffee, I’m trying to sleep, I’ve been on night shift all night”

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I think the BuckBert team has been leading us down false pretences and they are both up to something higher, nuggets are golden and Nugent is trying too hard to be golden

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Kirby is registered as having a personality disorder and this is how he will always get away with this abuse of power, he didn’t have ‘capacity’ when he acted these allegations out

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Trust the clergy to find a “cop out” clause to enable them to validate & continue abuse – no surprise – that’s just scary for anyone thinking of joining. No wonder they need the essential lay & anonymous henchmen to keep the show on the road. What’s with this not naming or clearly publicly identifying lay teams in every Diocese? More cover up.

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Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM–5) which is used as a “register” or “gauge” for the aid of diagnosis of certain personality disorders or traits. Including more debilitating ailments, like depression or mental burn out.
Anybody who fulfils the criteria is sometimes deemed “on the register” or “on the spectrum”.
Although, it is always a good idea to allow this these diagnosises to be made by qualified professionals… which usually entails asking family members, friends or even work colleagues to fill out questionnaires about the person under diagnosis.
Presumably because these people know the person under diagnosis much better than the medical professional… 🙄

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3:15 shows a total ignorance of mental health diagnosis. Incidentally if you know someone has been diagnosed with an illness and blab it all over the internet you’re scum and attempts to diagnose by a clown like you would be laughable.
Register actually means you have a register and no, repeat NO, mental illness has a spectrum.

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11:40 is fiction. Unless you’d like to show where your supposed register of personality disorders exists.
It also isn’t big or clever to throw around speculative psychiatric diagnoses.

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11:48 – these nasty pieces of work are not just on The Wirral, also spotted in The Liberties, Knock, Croagh Patrick, Glendalough & no doubt called to The Boiler Room on way home to the monasteries.

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You are only a victim of the behaviour is unwanted and not encouraged, you know a one/four sided story (apparently)

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So now we know what Benedictine monks do all day now their traditional occupation of education is less welcoming to them. They spend their days avoiding the prior’s prying questions, telling themselves they’re straight and leaving trolling comments on this blog 😱

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You’d turn me down, Kitty. I’m 36, consider my sexual history my own business and have no interest in yours.

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The most heartening thing here is the way it was thought removing Kirby would damage the ‘trad’ movement. If anyone still kids themselves that Latin and lace are an answer to anything – the ‘trad’ movement is a gay cesspit of personality cult and jobs for the boys. Just the boys pretend to be straight. 😉

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@ 12:24pm

I would say that the ‘Mod’ movement is absolutely a gay cesspit of personalty cult and jobs for the boy’s who also pretend to be straight. Like Mcarrick,Ledworth etc.All that vernacular and cheap and nasty polyester fools no one.😏.

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1.05
No prizes for guessing that Bela Rob Govan is the author here. Apart fromthe low literacy level, his modus operandi when responding (reacting would be more correct) is torearrange the words of the original comment and to covince himself he has improved it and has made sense.

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I think you are referring to me, however, I did not write the comment at 12.34.

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Pat didn’t you say once that Kirby didn’t allow the current prior to use a computer without the door of the room open because of the sites he kept surfing? Am I imagining this?
What a cesspit.

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Thank you. Although you would think a trad monastery would have trad porn in the shape of magazines. 😜

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@1.10pm If it St Stephen’s Oxford then that will explain to you the current problems with gay former Anglicans in the Catholic Church. They are not just all the single ones either and the established church in England was glad to see the back of them. They made sure they got a handsome severance pension first from the Anglicans before they crossed over to Rome.

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Salvador Ryan has great article in today’s Independent speaking about his experience in Maynooth and says it’s all about celibacy. That’s what the laity all feel too. The Church is a dead duck until it gets rid of mandatory celibacy. Lay people reading your stories have the same to say about them all … Celibacy. Lay people aren’t as scandalised as priests about half the stories here because they know in their heads it’s all about …. celibacy.

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Celibacy is an excuse for abuse. Non celibacy doesn’t stop lay people breaking their marriage vows and abusing kids. It’s a tired old red herring as usual. No saying celibacy should not go, but it won’t fix a single thing about the current dysfunctional management of the Church and the activities of some of the Clergy.

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But ordinary decent people and the vast majority of educated enlightened liberal non church goers put it down to … celibacy.

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2:02, because it suits politics (back to power again) . . . so what do they put down lay people abusing their marriage vows and abusing kids down to?

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1:43 Actually you brought up abuse although you’re right there isn’t a clear connection. However notional celibacy is a magnet to people with issues, liars, frauds, and grifters because surely at this point nobody seriously thinks any priest is actually celibate, and keeping the idea of celibacy is like advertising for con men.

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The lack celibacy rules doesn’t prevent abuse, manipulators, and sexual predators in the lay world. As someone else said above celibacy is the attempted and pathetic excuse for clerical abuse, not the cause, so I’m in favour of it being done away with so scumbag abusers and their negligent superiors stop using it as an excuse for their actions to hide behind.

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2.03
In the Republic of Ireland and any self respecting democracy, have you not heard, that depiction of “kind” is redundant? The use of it can be very discriminatory, as it always was, but maybe societally we could get past it. If you are speaking in terms of sacrament in the RCC, then, of course, I misunderstood, excuse me..!

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Celibacy is not the problem. Obligatory celibacy or expecting all who aspire to the Latin-rite priesthood have the charism is.

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Salvador Ryan gives a good history of Maynooth in the 90s and the German bishop is correct … get rid of celibacy.
When Our Lord walked the earth he choose normal ordinary people. This celibacy nonsense is a man-made power law to protect church assets it’s sweet xxxx all to do with spirituality

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3.57

William Mulvihill…..imagine spelling my own name like that….The Wizard of Oz I hope will notice….Lol

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Pity the article is behind a paywall. I don’t object to paywalls per se (journalism needs money to survive) but I wouldn’t give a red cent to anti-Catholic papers such as the Irish Independent and the Irish Times.

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4.32

Archbishop Dermot Ryan was great ” friends’” with the O Reillys……because he was particularly friendly with Mrs. O Reilly, he refused ( as a bishop can see to ) Tony O Reilly his request for an anullment….Tony O Reilly swore after that that he would destroy the RCC in Ireland….he had a lot of help from the Irish Episcopal Bench.

Mack Hanson has just become a new Irish phenomenon !! Lifted them after a French whirlwind….for any who might be watching!!!

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6.48pm
How do you make a donation to newspapers? 🤔⁉️😕📰🗞️💶💷💴💳🤣😂❓❕

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Come on, guys, it’s the middle of the afternoon and I have every box but one checked on my Catholic Diversionary Tactics Bingo card. And it’s a biggie. You’re all having a good good go today and TBH I rarely get a card this full this early in the day.

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Nobody is saying celibacy is responsible for abuse. But it must be responsible for grown men coming on to other grown men who are in their communities. Some priests make sure only to be with other priests in case their found out. Found out about what? Breaking their vow. Which vow? Celibacy

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I never knew that the social workers in Kincora were celibates. If the problem is celibacy, explain CSA among Protestants, social workers and parents.

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The lack of a celibacy rule doesn’t stop sexual predators and perversions among lay people . Clergy have a strange sexually immature view that all would be well in the world and their would he no sexual predators or problems if only there was no celibacy. Total bollocks. By all means do away with it, but don’t be naïve enough think it’s going to solve the deep rooted sexual perversion problems detailed in this blog day in day out.

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If celibacy was not a problem then Abbot Purcell would still be Abbot and all those priests who left to marry women in the 60s 70s 80s would be parish priests or bishops by now
Salvador Ryan was a seminarian in 90s Maynooth and speaks sense

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Basic practicality, aside from the morality and power disparities, excludes monks not being celibate. It would be for diocesan priests where now only Greek Rite (and Oriental equivalents) and Ordinariate convert priests are married. Having no shortage of priests is only a very partial solution as Anglicans / Episcopalians can surely attest. That’s easy relative to the shortage of parishioners, laity.

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Going back a few steps, Dom Andersen reported his concerns about the monastery to the bishop in February and April of 2020. DMK resigned as Prior in July 2020.
As DMK has been credibly accused of harassment, one might expect that Dom Andersen would become Prior of Silverstream? The bishop and the community should be working with Dom Andersen as opposed to working against him?

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Seamus, that would be a totally reasonable and fair approach to take. He is also a priest and I believe the longest standing member of the community.
The fact that that he has not been appointed prior is the best indication that Silverstream is a cult of personality.

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Robert, however many times you say “mea culpa, mea maxima culpa” you come across as utterly desperate. Your apology is crocidile tears. It’s obvious that you were forced by this blog to appear all weepy contrite about Dom Benedict. You keep saying you were dragged into this mess but you didn’t think twice about supporting unequivocally Dom Kirby. Even still you refuse to admit the delusional, dangerous man he is, unfit for any monastery or work as a miracle healer!! You are literally jumping out the You Tube screen shouting at priests and hierarchy about abuse and corruption, yet you refuse any of them a space for apologising or seeking mercy for their wrongs but it’s ok for you to tell us about your tears of sorrow and regret and beg forgiveness. Dom Anderson was seriously hurt by Kirby, your spiritual mentor and healer and you keep saying ” I didn’t look for this.” Well Robert, when you did become involved you left trails of great hurt and damage for Dom Benedict. Your almost 24 hour screenings are an attempt to gain credibility. I really wish you would stay for now in your ministry of supporting men in their life’s struggles. Your constant mini meltdowns are very unsettling and unpleasant to watch. I, for one am losing my respect for you and realising that Pat, while difficult, has a greater discernment about these horrendous issues. Your spirituality and prayer I do not doubt but the shouting is unacceptable. Also, THE REPORT…Where is it?

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5.05: Look back over comments for past few days. Some commenters have said much worse about Robert. Have you watched any videos by Robert these past few days? Have a look..

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5.05: I don’t think Pat will respond to your question. He and Robert are supposed to be working together on a Report, so it’s imperative that they be of one mind. Robert has praised Pat very generously in his videos. Pat is more restrained in his admiration of Robert. They both are sincere in their quest but in absolutely different ways.

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I talk to Robert every day. We are of one mind. We have different approaches. Nothing strange 😀

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I knew that the demands for an apology from Robert were fake and when he apologised would move on to something else.
Classic distraction again and an attempt to wear down Robert who you have identified as a soft touch in comparison to Pat who has seen it all. Obviously anyone joining forces with Pat Buckley is beyond the pale.

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I have been openly critical of Robert Nugent over the last few days but I do think he’s sincere in his apology to Dom A and we can only take him at his word.

I’m still not convinced that he is the right man to challenge the bullying and harassment with the church or the other issues he’s preparing to address, mainly because he appears to get too emotionally involved and appears to confuse rumour and hearsay with evidence.

Once again I’ll say _ well done Robert on confessing your fault and apologising

Sincerely
The Troll

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6.11: I share your feelings about Robert’s apology, but he must extend the same expectation of our forgiveness to others whom he is referring to as “you guys”. Robert is very sincere and animated, perhaps too much. I also agree with you that he is too emotional in his presentations. I would appreciate if he would clarify what he means by “we’re coming after you..yes, its happening..” And also his usage of “you guys” is scarily disconcerting. What, Robert, do you mean and who are you referring to?

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I had to go to confession, I’m so sorry for what has been done to Dom Benedict . He didn’t have a normal formation in a community, he was controlled by ONE man. We urgently need closure for him. What can I say.

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“Saint Therese” said to tell him he is “sin plus nothing” did she? Been “doctoring” the church has she?

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9.28: Robert – perhaps the words from Ronan Keating song are apt…” you say it best when you say nothing at all…”

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9.28: Is all this breast beating essential and appropriate, Robert? Most of us do not tell the world about our confession or about when we go. It would be great if you could clarify for readers what your true, honest feelings are about the comment directed at you.

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5.18: That’s an unfair interpretation of events. Robert got involved with Silverstream and realises now that he misjudged his involvement. In the initial days of this story Pat was quite circumspect while Robert seemed to promise a thorough Report which, by his language and demeanour on videos was to be a shattering document. Pat expressed his approach which did not resonate with that of Roberts. Now the tone is different. I am glad an apology has been given to Dom Benedict and I pray he will receive it kindly and pray that he will find healing from the hurt and abuse he experienced and still experiences. Dom Kirby is now the bete noir who must be removed from the monastery before any further damage is done by him and his oblate associates and friends whom he seems to easily fool and deceive. Yes, all sinners must be given mercy and forgiveness when truly repentant. This Christian principle applies to all who sin and fall. I support all who are praying for and seeking to renew the Church and priesthood. I welcome all parishioners who work alongside us in parishes. I do not believe that haranguing people on videos will achieve any good. The interminably judgmental rhetoric by some is not conducive to necessary change – personal, communally or pastorally in the manner of Christ’s vision and way of life. I often wonder if some of the caustic and denigratory commenters ever become involved in their parishes or in any “people of God” movements to effect the changes they want. At least Robert is committed to gathering people in some way which I hope he will succeed in doing. However much I may disagree with his style, I think he can be a catalyst for something better in our faith expressions, parishes, prayer and in fostering a Christ, gospel led way.

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12:37 – don’t worry about it – only the auld ones going to mass now anyway – maybe a few young lads from the Boiler Room will pop in but that’ll be about it – there won’t be a big enough audience for the toffs with notions about themselves.

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What a great magazine. In the ‘parish team’ section of the magazine it’s wonderful to see lay people having substantial roles in the parish. That is very typical of North American parishes (and Protestant denominations). It’s something we could learn from here in Ireland and the UK, where too often the vision for getting laity involved goes no further than clericalising them by giving them jobs in the sanctuary or turning laymen into permanent deacons.

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Yes, Great US Magazine but no fear IRISH churches will publish a photograph or even give the names of the lay teams in Irish parishes. No transparency with that either – ducking & diving just like Del Boy here in Irish parishes.

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There are obviously some cages rattled today, the inhabitants of which would far rather this sort of thing remained unpublished.

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Pat, hope you’re enjoying your break. Much as your readers love reading your blog, maybe you should recharge your batteries and just switch off from the blog for a day or two? I think readers would understand and you’d come back all refreshed.

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The four victims does clarify something which seemed strange. While there were indications that Fr Kirby was very off, the only thing which was close to definite was his harassment of Fr Andersen (although Kirby probably might claim he’s in the clear). Predators can be very controlled and controlling, but one victim would seem a bit unusual, now there are at least four, probably more. The compromised visitation suggests there might be a long wait until Silverstream is clearly and dispassionately looked at. Is it a traditional leaning Benedictine house or the HQ of the Kirby cult? Hopefully this is answered in a professional way, but I don’t hold out hope.

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The previous visitation should be set aside. It is invalid due to the participation of Dom Richard Purcell, who was in no position to judge a religious house. A fresh visitation is required, not involving Glenstal either, given its poor record on safeguarding.

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FYI, the 4 names have been authenticated. Can’t be shared to respect their privacy. This is by no means a faked story.

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I’ve just watched a video by Robert Nugent dated 21 January 2022 titled – Bishop Pat Buckley defames innocent deceased Priest. OMG – Go to DECREVI DETERMINED TO BE CATHOLIC. Ut is an amazing challenge to Pat by Robert. It is in total contrast to the narratives being written today. It’s all very strange.

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This is like someone posting how excited they are about an old episode of Dallas when they haven’t watched the rest of the series.

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10.17: The 21st January 2022 is not ancient…or in the distant past!! I have warched all Robert’s videos: this referenced one I have just watched today. I believe many people, including many priests are disturbed by these revelations re: Dom Kirby and the grave injustice to Dom Benedict. I welcome being informed as I visited Silverstream on a few occasions in the past and was impressed by my experiences. Now I am very sceptical about the foundation and have withdrawn my subscription to their magazine. I merely referred to the 21st January video as it seemed to have a sharp tone of a challenge to Pat re: Fr. McAlinden’s reputation beuig thrashed by this blog. There are distinct differences in reporting on all these issues. Personally I prefer the issues to be aired on Pat’s blog. Robert has his style but I am confused about some of his pronouncements. When I first came across Robert I was very impressed. I respect him but I respect him more for his insights into prayer, spirituality and church renewal. I think his ministry for men is very necessary and admirable. I hope and pray, despite my questions, that he and Pat can create a common purpose to make a real impact. I certainly would be part of such a movement if there wasn’t as much nasty, personalised vitriol and an all too quick readiness to judge all Catholic priests as abusers in some way.

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I know. Pat isn’t what people say he is. He is a kind soul. I find the blog too intense with the comments. But I’ve also spoken to Priests who say he is doing right to hold the church to account. There is good and bad. Dialogue is needed for sure RN

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RN @ 10:17pm – How do we know Pat hasn’t done a Mark Kirby on you? You were all guns blazing for him until you met him, now you can’t get enough of him either.

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A kind soul? Let me assure you as one who has been defamed on this blog that that is not the case. You have been fooled Robert.

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Am I being fooled by Pat Buckley? Well, that is why you need to DISCERN!!! He has been open and honest with me about what he posted in Silverstream. He shared private information that I promised not to disclose because people didnàt want their names on this blog. You should do your own investigation and discern. No Pat hasn’t brainwashed me, we have radically different views on many things. But you need dialogue and you need to DISCERN!:

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