In spite the emergence of other victims of Dom Kirby speaking out the Silverstream MONKS are currently unable or unwilling to see the DARKER side to Dom Kirby’s life.
This is regrettable, but understable given the fact that Kirby is Silverstream’s founder ( along with Dom Benedict Andersen).
In ways Silverstream in a small “cult”. Dom Kirby is the founder – and not only the founder – but a founder who claims that Jesus speaks to him from the Tabernacle on a daily basis.
So he a founder with a daily direct line to Jesus Christ!
To go against him is to go against Jesus!
A regular feature of cults is that the founder and guru is often involved in secret sexual activity with cult members – either women or men.
On the one hand Dom Kirby is handing down messages from God and at the same time touching monks and occasionally allowing his penis or testicles to pop out in what he calls “whopsey” moments.
He blames these things on his Mediterranean culture – even though he hails from North America.
Dom Kirby’s behaviour is a mini version of the great scandal of Father Marcoel Maciel of the Legionaries of Christ.
The only one who can successfully intervene here is the Bishop of Meath Tom Deenihan.
He needs to find a new residence for Dom Mark Kirby.
He also needs to apologise to Dom Benedict Andersen and restore all his rights and make up for all the wrongs done to him.
If these things are not done quickly Dom Kirby will continue to abuse and Silverstream will be suppressed
TERRY NELSON BLOG
Vindication for the whistleblower.
I became aware of a site claiming that four other ‘victims’ have come forward to tell their story about the sexual harassments within the fledgling Benedictine priory. I believe it’s a Public Association of the Faithful or a community of diocesan right and not federated with the Benedictine Order. They follow the Rule of St. Benedict. Thus far, canonically at least, they are not monks. I may be wrong, but the founder, in order to make this foundation was exclaustrated from the monastic order of his profession and made private vows to the bishop of the diocese.
Former supporters of the priory are coming to the defense of whistleblower Dom Benedict Anderson who has lived in exile from his community after his request for a visitation to investigate the religious life of the community, the formation of aspirants to their mode of monastic life, along with the eccentricities of the prior. Without further comment, I will link to an important post which details some of the misconduct and boundary issues the prior perpetrated upon aspirants to the community, which corelate to the original harassment claims the whistleblower publicly revealed. Sadly Fr. Benedict is in a sort of limbo, having done nothing wrong, he remains in exile from the priory and apparently is unable to exercise his priestly ministry – a grave injustice.
Be forewarned, the blog post I link to is very disturbing, yet I’m convinced it vindicates Fr. Benedict’s original complaint. Pray for him.
There Are At Least Four More Victims…I have been given the names and details of four more men who say that Kirby sexually harassed them during their stay at Silvetstream.
I have been refused permission to name them on the Blog for now.
All 4, for different reasons, are afraid of reprisals of various kinds. – Read more here.
I reached out to Fr. Mark to ask if all this was true, reminding him of the cautions I offered some years ago after he had told me of his plans for a monastic foundation. He eventually cut off all ties to me, since I even questioned the publishing of his locutions on his blog at the time. I pray for him that he will not be destroyed by all of this and find peace.
It is very important however, that Fr. Benedict is vindicated and can continue his ministry.
Very seriously, if one feels called to monastic life, look at the established orders and abbeys. Stay away from charismatic – be they traditional or progressive communities. Authentic monastic life is not about novelties or the imitation of an outdated form, enhanced by ancient architectural forms and strict adherence to rubrics and observances. A tonsure doesn’t make one a monk. Not a few ‘new’ communities seem to want to emulate the life style of cloistered nuns, which should be the first red flag something is off.
TERRY NELSON’S PAINTING FOR MARK KIRBY
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
206 replies on “SILVERSTREAM MONKS RELUCTANT TO SEE THE DARKER SIDE OF THEIR FOUNDER’S LIFE.”
In answer to Mr Nelson:
Bishop Smith presided at the canonical establishment of a new monastery at Silverstream Priory in the Diocese of Meath on Saturday 25 February 2017.
Silverstream is home to a community of eight male religious who follow the Rule of St Benedict. The community came from Tulsa, USA in 2012 and occupies the former residence of the Visitation Sisters in Stamullen, Co. Meath. The monastery is contemplative in nature, with a particular focus on the Liturgy and Eucharistic Adoration. Its constitution and canonical norms were approved by the Holy See earlier this month.
Bishop Michael Smith signed a Decree on 25 February ‘erecting the Benedictine Monks of Perpetual Adoration of the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar as a monastic Institute of Consecrated Life of diocesan right in the Diocese of Meath’. This Decree is believed to mark the first formal establishment of a monastic community in the Diocese of Meath since the suppression of the monasteries by Henry VIII in 1536.
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It’s nice that Terry recognizes that Dom B was harassed by Kirby, but Terry somehow omits to mention the bizarre painting which Dom Mark showed to Dom B and Dom B rightly rejected as wholly inappropriate.
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It’s now a case of the homo erotic artist deserting the sinking ship
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The painting wasn’t a commission and it isn’t very well done. It was intended as a more modest image of the Saint and I wondered if Fr. Mark would like it. He said yes and so I sent it to him as a gift, never expecting he would display it except perhaps in his cell. I admit it is not good art. I never intend my work to be homo-erotic, though viewers label it that way. I noted other examples of my work are shown on this site – none were intended to be homo-erotic.
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Thank you Terry for your clarification. I like your paintings.
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Nice try, but you’ll find we are neither blind nor stupid here Terry and we definitely don’t like being patronised as ignorant philistines.
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Thanks Bishop Pat.
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Anon @ 8:19 pm. You misread me – I’m not trained academically – many of my paintings were idiosyncratic attempt at understanding my own struggles – an exercise in self-knowledge. They are neither homophobic or homoerotic. I’m not trying to deceive people or lecture people. I’m the one who is a philistine lacking understanding of the arts, so please don’t think I am insulting anyone.
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This Blog has helped convince me the RCC is now run by Gays for the entertainment of Gays.
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10:56pm – Nothing wrong with being Gay but these RCC gays are not Out & Proud, they are sneaky & living a double life that is in total contradiction of the teachings they spout from the altar every day. Liars & coverup merchants in every sense of the word. If they not honest with themselves for a start, we can hardly expect them to be honest in any other matter plus they are not free because when they dishonest, someone else always has “something on them” so they turn into dangerous cornered rats if challenged. Toxic.
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Our favourite sins will consume us if we don’t admit them and deal with them and be honest about the reality instead of making excuses and justifications. For all of us that can be different. Know thyself.
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Self-loathing, internalised homophobes, often narcissists.
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https://cache.sharesome.com/file/sharesome/uploads/user-images/u936899/z5nncn-kcljzquoe4-o.jpg
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Bishop Pat, just a heads up. The monk with the dirty thought bubble coming out of his head in 12:08’s photo is NOT a monk of Silverstream. He’s got nothing to do with Dom Kirby or the treatment of Dom Andersen. He is a very good, decent monk from a different community who just happened to be visiting that day. Would you consider removing the comment so as to protect his reputation? Thank you.
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What community is he from?
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I’m pleased that the safe setting on my phone block the pornographic images that some pervert posts in the comments.
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3.47pm For your information that is not the genuine photo – it has been photoshopped by the usual suspect on this blog. If you right click on the bubble and open tab….you will see its not the correct photo.
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The picture of Dom Benedict and Coffey is genuine. Benedict was the Silverstream rep to the Coffey abatial blessing.
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5.19 and 5.11 these instructions don’t work hence 3.47 requires answering properly.
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Not true!! The Church is run by human beings
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Bishop Pat @ 5.19pm I was referring to 12.08pm and the defacing of the picture. .
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When in fact it should be run by Christ and those faithful to him.
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Whoopsie moments, that’s a novel description for flashing your bits. Shame on Kitty.
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Pat I am a victim of clerical misconduct.
I hope to contact you soon.
It is difficult to differentiate between rumour and truth from other stories, but I can be sure at least one other is in same boat.
Are you happy to chat?
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Always.
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If Denihan doesn’t remove Kirby, it just proves to me that the Church is no better as it was all those years ago refusing to hear the cries of children. If there any way that we can protect and possibly rescue those young men who are imprisoned in Kirby’s cult? There are things I would do to Kirby that would possibly result in blood pouring out from him – and I’m sure I am not the only person that would do the same.
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With all the money that has come Silverstream’s way, the monks have probably never had it so good.
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Kirby to go soonly, Robert Nugent with his tail between his legs is just some spectacle, the embarrassment he must feel.
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5:11, talk to Dom Andersen. He can understand how people are blinded by DMK’s charisma.
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” A sexual life – A spiritual life .” ?
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They are ‘proper monks’ and the monastery is included in the current Benedictine Yearbook.
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That’s quite some distinguished company they’re in there.
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David at 7:56: Monasteries of Anglicans (as in the “Protestant Reformed religion” under its supreme governor, the Queen of England) are also in the Yearbook, so that’s not necessarily proof that Silverstream are OSB the same way that, way, Glenstal is OSB (not that Glenstal is a stellar example of anything good or holy).
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Why on earth are Anglicans in the Yearbook? What next?!!!
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Because not everyone is driven by hatred, 4:53. In fact one of the monasteries has a Methodist minister in it.
The Subiaco Cassinese congregation has an Anglican monastery as a member.
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What a farce. Methodists, Anglicans and Catholics don’t even agree on the number of sacraments.
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So ?
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So they are hardly going to make a united community.
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The Methodist wouldn’t be able to receive at the Conventual Mass, unless the monks break ecclesiastical law.
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At thus stage it is vital for Bishop Deenihan to meet with the Community at Silverstream. He needs to meet with Dom Kirby in the presence of a canon and civil lawyer and so to meet with any committee or support oblate associates group. There is no reason for delay to do so as there had so much information to warrant these kinds of investigations. We must, if possible, advise the Papal Nuncio of all developments. To cintinue to comment may be a hugely unsettling experience for the genuinely good monks who feel called to a contemplative community. Let us pray for all of them and pray too that Dom Benedict is remaining strong. Pat, is he responding to you or Robert in any way and if so, what is his reaction to events on your blog and on Robert’s videos? God be with all who are hurt and who may feel very vulnerable in this drama.
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Of course they feel vulnerable when the hierarchy is not supporting them only avoiding the issue in Silverstream using the overused deny, divert, distract tactics & will join forces to discredit & vilify any monks who speak up. Deenihan is silent because he siding with Kirby & will hang any complainants out to dry, RCC hierarchy only serve their own interests – they are not genuinely concerned with welfare of vulnerable monks or seminarians. It’s a mafia, that’s why headquarters based in Rome & Frankie is about as much use as an ashtray on a Piaggio.
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Frankie is from Milan actually & he was very lucky to escape in that crash between Newmarket & Goodwood in 2000.
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11.36
Peevish and petulant. Full of Gospel joy!
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We must advise the Papal Nuncio of all developments! She never gives up😏
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There are none so blind as those who will not see….,,,,
Dom Kirby is no longer the prior of Silverstream. Why? Someone, somewhere felt he wasn’t worthy of holding this position.
The fact that An Garda Síochána, the Director of Public Prosecutions and the Charities Regulatory Authority where involved at all means that there must have been enough of a concern to warrant further investigation by these bodies.
I thought that the age limit of no older than 30 as
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Unfortunately I hit the send button to early.
I thought the age limit of no one over the age of 30 was a joke but when you look at the men that are currently in SilverStream it appears to be true. Previously, I thought nothing of seeing Dom Kirby sorrounded by younger monks on the Silverstream website – in the light of recent allegations, it looks creepy.
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The 30 limit is sensible. After that age people have too much baggage to be starting out as a monk. Why are they not married by the age of 30 would be my question. Are they seeking a safe harbour because life hasn’t worked out?
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Same with retreads. They are a total melt. I think Pat might have had some bother with a retread.
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Very good and very funny, 4:55.
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Praying for the community. We want them to grow and flourish. The Church will embrace you and love you. Dom Mark must leave the community and work elsewhere. Dom Benedict needs closure asap. He has suffered enough.
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Robert you really have a brass neck lol you are making us all LOL
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9.06: Robert, how can you in conscience, promote the monastery in light of all information that has come forward? It is sufficient to warrant a new, thorough investigation as to the its future. I would love for this monastery to grow and flourish but I now have concerns, particularly for the good men who desire a contemplative, monastic life. I don’t agree with the suppression of the monastery but Dom Kirby must go.
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10:22, why can’t Robert or anyone promote the monastery? Here follows the testimony of the co-founder Dom Benedict Andersen:
“There were many things about Silversteam Priory that were wonderful. The liturgies were wonderful. The monks were good men. I became a priest, I was the sub-prior, and I was able to do work that I really enjoyed,”.
As you rightly say 10:22, DMK must go. Arrangements must be made for Dom Benedict Andersen’s return without delay, so that he can take up his rightful place as the new Prior of Silverstream. In Dom Andersen we can trust.
Pax.
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Yes Dom Mark must go until the investigation of the 4 testimonies is completed.
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12:58, what makes you think Dom Andersen wants to have anything to do with these nasty people anymore? As Father Benedict’s namesake said to the evil monks who attempted to poison his wine: “Go your ways, and seek ye out some other father suitable to your own conditions, for I intend not now to stay any longer among you.”
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GtG 3:31, the bishop and the community must make reparations with Don Andersen. Whether Dom Andersen would return, it is difficult to see at the moment. Noone would blame him for telling them to go sling their hooks.
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I am very sympathetic to Robert’s hope that Silverstream can continue in some form, without Kirby.
The problem is that they need serious deprogramming going forward, and each of those monks need to be formed anew.
That will be very hard for many of them to admit, I’m sure, especially the current prior, Dom Elijah. To have been prior and then to be knocked down, in effect, to the novitiate again would be embarrassing; but what is needed here is humility and a generous, long-suffering spirit.
Unlike Robert I really don’t believe it’s wise for another TRAD community of monks to be involved.
What is desperately needed are normal and sane monks from established congregations who will be respectful of Silverstream’s liturgical orientation (which, as far as I am concerned, might need to shift to Latin Novus Ordo a la Solesmes).
They also need to be shepherded into one of the established Benedictine congregations, and thus into the actual worldwide Benedictine Confederation.
There were no guardrails before, no one outside to “underwrite” (as it were) their Benedictine identity.
Everything up to now has been Dom Kirby’s interpretation of the Rule and the monastic tradition, and that is very, very dangerous.
I know there are a lot of “shoulds” here and some would say that it’s none of the business of a blog commenter.
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But the Novus Ordo monasteries are on their last legs. They would be offering a failed prospectus.
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Total absence of historical understanding alert at 3:27.
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But why would you take advice on the monastic life from monasteries that cannot attract novices?
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Better than take advice from you, 4:18.
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The comparison with Marcial Maciel seems a bit extreme, Bp Pat. I would be amazed if Kitty fathered any children in the past.
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Pat today is the birthday of Pope Alexander VII who before becoming Pope was massively against nepotism and yet, the instant he became Papal hired brothers and nephews to senior positions within his administration.
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That’s OK. The current Francis worshippers say that whatever the pope of the day does or says is the voice of Peter and must be obeyed, and every pope must be treated as the choice of the Holy Spirit.
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I’ve had a look at the Silverstream Priory website, and it is clear that they are desperately keen to let people know that all allegations have been investigated by the various authorities and that Kirby remains a priest in good standing. It’s the first thing you see on their website. They are evidently desperately keen to reassure as to their and his probability. It’s carefully worded, and I wonder what it is not saying as much as what it is saying. Methinks the Lady doth protest too much ! Perhaps technically and legally they are just on the right side of things, Kirkby also, but that does not mean that things are all tickety-boo and there are is nothing lurking in the woodpile. Note my PC caution with that last saying ! Having read through the rest of the stuff on the website, I do wonder at all the faux spiritual and pietistic nonsense that they write, which really is another world away from where the rest of us find ourselves. You do wonder why young men flock there. I suspect it is an escape, a denial, a refuge from the harsh realities of life and themselves which they don’t or are not able to confront. They would be better living a normal and healthy life. They would be a lot happier. The way they are following is a path and recipe for an unhealthy and unhappy life. There is a whiff of something really dysfunctional about that place. Not healthy at all. It needs to close.
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The RCC seems to be a magnet for dysfunctional & Dodgy Hitlers on and off the altar. It’s like a lineup from Crimewatch in some areas.
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I imagine each monk at Silverstream has her own story to tell.
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I wonder how this young queen is getting on.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-pat-visit-silverstream
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Whoopsie!
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Get rid of the terrible moustache!!!
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The moustache is channelling Freddy Mercury.
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The shirt is all wrong.
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I’m not going to lie, I had almost a miniature anxiety attack at seeing yet another young, naive trad man drawn into the net of Dom Kirby. I truly hope Pat McMahon is okay, and that if he is not okay, he will be able to wake up and get out soon.
It seems absolutely bizarre and irresponsible in the extreme for Silverstream to have been taking postulants while their founding prior was under investigation (with Covid raging to boot!). What did Bishop Deenihan think of that, I wonder?
There seems to be an obsession with “growth at any cost” at Silverstream Priory. The first picture on the front page of the website is designed to trumpet two things: 1) Kirby is back and we are proud of it, and 2) look at how big we are now (remember the vocations-based argument of apologists of the Legion of Christ?)
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I agree.
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The church’s motto should be ‘We’re legit, honest, gov’.
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3.33: What do you agree to, Robert? Your confusing loyalties? Somehow you are falling victim to your own contradictions, apologies and mutterings.
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Del Boy is a Saint compared to some of them & what they hang with! 🤣🤣
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Mr Nelson makes a very sensible point at the end of the blog you reference:
‘Very seriously, if one feels called to monastic life, look at the established orders and abbeys. Stay away from charismatic – be they traditional or progressive communities. Authentic monastic life is not about novelties or the imitation of an outdated form, enhanced by ancient architectural forms and strict adherence to rubrics and observances. A tonsure doesn’t make one a monk. Not a few ‘new’ communities seem to want to emulate the life style of cloistered nuns, which should be the first red flag something is off.’
Totally.
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Would this be the same Mr Nelson, the homo erotic artist, that provide paintings for Silverstream?
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Yes. We don’t all find any pretext to rule out any criticism we don’t like, ‘father’.
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11:12, the very same, and now trying to distance himself from the fallout and being rumbled.
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It’s all self-interest – none of them WANT to know about anything – they just want all truth swept under carpet regardless of consequence for victims. They villify whistleblowers, deny, divert, discredit, use various forms of harassment, whatever it takes & cosset & protect perpetrators – same as Maurice McCabe story in Gardai.
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“… a new residence for Dom Mark Kirby.”
I imagine the cost involved preclude Kitty from being moved from Silverstream.
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It can be a cell in another monastery.
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You are in no position Buckley to dictate anything.
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But he may need 24/7 care as I thought he tendered his resignation as Prior due to long-standing health issues. It would be somewhat ironic if the monks now have to help bathe him in the nude.
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11:20 – but you are & you won’t? Is that because you are Too busy dictating in support of wrong doing.
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11.18:::: Perhaps, Pat, a room in Larne or in one of your poustinia(s) where your “clergy” live. You could all mind this monk in his misguided wayward ways. I am serious. Pat s asking that he be posted by express delivery back to the USA…For what? To roam free…and catch men for the mingdom of Kirby? But – ho, ho, isnt Pat always denouncing moving priests/bishops as criminal and a paeticipation in abuse? Clarifications urgently required. Where does Robert’s way of acceptance, love and tolerance fit into the response to the Kirby enigma?
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If deemed appropriate I would welcome one Dom Kirby to live in Larne.
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Terry Nelson’s blog is interesting and clearly, whether any civil laws have been broken or not, there is something dysfunctional about Silverstream.
I would just question how much value we should put on Terry Nelson’s words. His painting of St Sebastian and articles on his blog may well indicate he himself is severely conflicted about his own sexual orientation and his focus on individuals suppressing and resisting their nature by following traditional Catholic teaching may well be at the root of the sort of damage we see described so regularly on this blog. There is a whiff of “pray the gay away” about him.
I don’t personally understand the theology around homosexuality or the selective use of particular Bible quotes whilst ignoring others. I do think, however, that unless people can live with a reasonable amount of integrity about who and what they are, and be at ease with that, problems will emerge.
Bishop Pat has his supporters and his detractors and I’m sure he is relatively at peace with that. He also appears at peace with his sexuality and lives a life which reflects that. Whilst he may have many faults, which he is happy to enumerate, I cannot imagine him engaging in the abusive and corrosive behaviour of some other priests and religious we read about regularly here. Could it be repression and suppression which encourages sinful and disorderly behaviour? Might acceptance, love and tolerance of difference which create a society in which people can be who’s God created them to be not be a more healthy way forward?
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Terry Nelson? More like a whiff of pray up the gay, but don’t get caught in case people start seeing my “art” for what it is.
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11:45am – These duplicitous clergy and their control freak lay “faithful” don’t accept love or tolerate anyone who is of no “use” to them. Their Hymn Sheet has nothing to do with God, sad but true when you see what they do and don’t do. Actions speak louder than words.
What about “forgive me for what I have done and for what I have failed to do”. They certainly don’t practice what they preach.
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I’m sure Silverstream have been told that if they ignore what happens on this blog, it will all blow over soon enough. I am sure they’ve even been told that by Bishop Deenihan.
Deenihan seems utterly blinded by the conman Kirby too, or at least by some other self-serving motivation. His attitude is inexplicable, and I wonder what advisors, his own clergy, or brother bishops have offered in terms of advice or counsel … because, especially at this point, can it really be “Steady on, Titanic!”?
As long as Kirby enjoys the protection of Deenihan, he will be able to stay put. The only thing that will bring this matter to a conclusion now would be a sharp drop-off in donations, and/or the implosion of the community.
But I also predict that if Kirby is severed from the community, the monastery will collapse, unless they are able to find for themselves very strong, sane, steady mentor monks who can live with them and begin to extricate them from their difficult past.
Dom Andersen should be apologised to by Bishop Deenihan, Abbot Coffey (on behalf of the other visitors), and the current solemnly professed of Silverstream, and he should be offered an unconditional return to Silverstream, if he wanted it (and he may not at this point).
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PP 12:40 is correct that the monastery could collapse if DMK is severed from the community. Dom Andersen has acknowledged that DMK is a talented fundraiser.
DMK has been credibly accused of harassment. DMK should go but even if Dom Andersen returned as Prior, Prior Benedict Andersen through dialogue with the diocese, might permit DMK to remain under stringent conditions.
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Is it always this quiet on here on a Sunday morning/early afternoon?
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@1.12pm It’s quiet because Patsy is away with his lover sunning themselves. It’s handy if you can get it with the cost of living so high at present.
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Patsy was celebrating Mass and meeting the community.
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11.45: A good comment re: Terry Nelson. I’m not sure who this man is and what exactly his re is in relation to Silverstream. Can this be clarified? Also, while Pat is admirable in living by his convictions and realities, he hasn’t always behaved with kindness to priests and has allowed too much nasty, cruel invective be levelled against many named individuals. I agree with you that acceptance, love and tolerance yield better results that destructive, harmful and hateful narratives.
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I love these kind of comments. The bottom line is the church will only take criticism from people who won’t criticise and anyone else isn’t Catholic, kind, celibate, married or whatever enough.
This is why it will take bishops going to prison to force y’all to get your act together.
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3.28…And we love your type who beging with the silly “I love these kinds of comments.. ” Risible and maughabke. Make intelligent, useful comments and you, sir, might be taken seriously. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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Try as I might I can’t find the word maughabke in the dictionary, ‘father’.
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“Maughabke” is the Irish for “laughable”.
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And I suppose ‘love’is the Irish for ‘hate’, 4:15. You don’t behave with kindness towards commenters here, ‘father’.
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you keep signing of with ‘father’ . . most of the people posting on this cesspit are not Priests you ‘clown’.
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Of course not.’father’.
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What we see with Kirby, in Silverstream, with Purcell, with so many other clergy and religious in all the instances and clergy that are referenced in this blog, and beyond, is in great part the result of a warped and erroneous teaching about the human person in their sexual, emotional, affective and psychological being by the Roman Catholic Church, and by many other Christians as well. This teaching, which has done damage for centuries, leaves people with self-loathing and a sense of perpetual sinfulness and unworthiness when they are constantly told that who and what they are is intrinsically disordered and sinful. This leads to all the denial, self-delusion and a lack of psycho-sexual integration, which leads to self-loathing and dysfunctional behaviour and toxic relationships and environments.
This leads to lying, duplicity, double and parallel lives, and generally a life that is not honest and open to the truth and light, which ends up damaging the individual and everybody around him. This is what we are seeing in the vast majority of individuals and institutions that come up in this blog. I see it day in and day out in clergy, and when I meet a cleric I now just assume that what I am seeing is not what this person really is, and that beneath whatever invention or veneer of himself he may portray, beneath that is so much hurt, pain, and unhappiness. I feel sorry for them. But, the damage they have the capacity to inflict, not only on themselves, but on those they minister to and the communities they are supposed to lead, is huge. Which is why it is necessary to call it and them out. But, more importantly, it is vital that people begin to think and re-imagine a new theology of the human being in all its aspects, which is positive and nurturing, rather than inflicting on people such hurtful and damaging misunderstandings of what and how a human being is.
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‘constantly told that who and what they are is intrinsically disordered and sinful’
I totally agree with your point but I think you are missing that this is the essential part of Christianity of all flavours: we are said to be fallen. Without the Fall there is no need for any other part of salvation history and therefore I think the key message is ‘youre pretty ****ed’.
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Well, maybe there’s something wrong with the whole story of salvation, which I agree starts with the business of being fallen, but what a negative and hobbling message that is, particularly when it is tied to a patriarchal figure who ‘saves’ us and to whom we have to be eternally grateful. Can’t we find a story that is more positive, more encouraging, more upbuilding rather than the plaintiff, helpless, disordered human story that Christianity gives us with all the consequent damage it inflicts on us? I’ve never felt uplifted by the Christian story. It is profoundly depressing and puts us in hock and dependent for eternity. And really, is it the truth ? Or is it just the prevailing dominant story that serves the purposes of a few – ie clergy, bishops, popes, the powerful – and keeps us subjugated and forever grateful ?! I’ll find my own way of explaining who I am and what I am, and how the world is, without being slave to a very dodgy and questionable Christian story, thank you.
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@ 6:18: You’re getting there when you began to question the whole dodgy business of our alleged salvation!
Our human brains constantly seek patterns, meaning, and logic within our environment.
This propensity within our perceived environment exterpolates to the whole matter of our existence, and in consequence has “created” meaningful significance and causative intervention into the whole happenstance of our evolved existence.
And into this, parasitical organisations have evolved with a host of supposedly meaningful explanations of “salvation”. This is the basis of the fanciful but emotionally persuasive delusions of religion.
Religious beliefs capitalise on both our insecurities, and our arrogance in an unwillingness to accept our existence as it really is, and make the best of it now for all of us rather than wishful hoping for “heavenly bliss.”
MMM
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6:18 and 7:16, yes if there is something wrong with us it is logical and reasonable to expect the proposed remedy to restore the original condition. This the remedy plainly fails to do since as MMM says, it’s parasitic.
Obviously I can only speak for myself but I can highly recommend being without sin.
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Re: the ‘Fall’
Did it ever strike you that Jewish interpreters read Genesis 2-3, an essentially Jewish document without concluding that there was a fall, from an earlier ‘pre-fallen’ condition?
We have St Paul to thank for the myth of the fall for excellent rhetorical reasons. Jesus’ death was salvific, so there was something from which the human race needed to be rescued from.
Some early Eastern theologians explored the line of thought that had there not been a fall, God would still have sent his Son into the world to preach the Kingdom of God.
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7.16
Exterpolate is a word I have encountered today for the first time.
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4.15: Not Irish – Swahili!! Only I know that..
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It’s like Wordle.
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7.16: Ahhhhhh, the Mighty Atheist has arisen from his slumber. He couldn’t wait his opportunity to dish out his repeat narrative. CHAPTER 5 again: Verses 12-28: “The Gospel according to Mournful Mags from The Mournes.” It’s a best seller – for the loo bowl 😳😱😨☻😨☻..
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The Great Brenda of Glenstal should make an effort to to resolve matters.
https://cache.sharesome.com/file/sharesome/uploads/user-images/u936899/z5nncn-qbc4ysk8kd-o.jpg
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Is that Father Anderson? If so, that is a very spooky picture given that Miss Brenda will become one of his principal tormentors.
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Abbot Brendan’s smile here is very disturbing. Cursed image
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Theres a saying, “You dont bite the hand that feeds”. These men will never tell the whole truth while actually living in the Priory that their next meal comes from.
I’ve been there, It is a lonely and scary experience. I hope as your blog suggests that the truth sets them free. Like all conversion experiences this isn’t instant but rather a gradual process. That process has begun.
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Very insightful comment, John.
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Robert Nugent at 1:20, forgive me, but what you write seems naive. It’s entirely possible that none of the four individuals (whose identities you have ascertained) will want to come forward, for whatever reason. What happens then? Dom Kirby just waltzes right back into Silverstream? Does Anderson’s testimony, and the testimonies given to the visitation, count for nothing?
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Watch and see. 5 men don’t invent this. This all too freakingly similar to how the legion reached to Fr Maciel who was REMOVED from the legion and allowed back after a visitation cleared him.
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Robert, Mark Kirby cannot take a temporary absence from Silvetstream it must pe permanent sadly.
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I agree, hard to see otherwise. But I would allow independent scrutiny in all this. All I want is the truth.
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It’s remarkable how the poison queen comments are ramped up on Silverstream days. Almost like the mumbling in a language they don’t understand crowd were poison queens…
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4.30: Where are all the poison queen comments? A few crazy, infantile and silly commenters are posting the queenie, bitchy comments and all too frequently. Their crap shoukd not be printed. Ever. Most intelligent commenters are staying on the topic.
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5:08 Did you mean to ask where all the poison queen comments are then…. point out the poison queen comments. 😆
There’s some bitter old queen hitting the blog today, Pat. Probably one of the clerics you’ve stopped in their tracks.
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4.11: Pat, you are right. Dom Kirby cannot remain. Robert at 4.13: you are wrong. You speak about independent scrutiny in all this. What more information do we need? NONE. Your recourse to independent scrutiny is a delaying, obfuscating method and because of your attachment to this Abbot and Monastery – past and present – you seem very reluctant to acknowledge the wrongful behaviour of Dom Kirby and you give the impression that you are hoping he may yet be exonerated. Let’s have full empathy for the victim in this drama, Dom Benedict, not Dom Kirby. I am finding your role confusing whereas Pat’s is very definite. Also, Pat, you said yesterday (or today) that you and Robert are in daily contact. Why then are there different emphases in comments from Robert? I believe one narrative and narrator is adequate and for me it’s this blog to avoid confusions.
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Ok. We cannot speak with one voice as we ate not of one mind. But can still be friends and corroborative.
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@4.38pm Let’s see how long that will last Pat. Your novel ideas before never end very successfully.
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4.38: Thanks for that Pat. I think there is sufficient information to bring to Bishop Deenihan and Papal Nuncio. There can be no equivocation about the unsuitability of Dom Kirby’s presence in this monastery. It’s a dilemma for all the monks, sadly. Let’s pray for them.
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The RCC lost a man of integrity when Daly had no capacity for your ability and management of him. I have many reasons in the lives of others and my own to have known his makeup. He did say to Fr Michael Dwyer ( a devotee of Cathal) ( and others)… “ you always had to be on your tippy toes for Bill.” Lol Lol Lol. To Cathal Dalys credit, he was a rip roaring liberal… but wickedly carreerreist … so he never let it show. They got him in the end because of his very philosophical approach to the concept of conscience… the half page in the IT on the abortion question finished him in Rome. But Pat Buckley had the measure of his bullying ways… was strong enough for “ the red hatted weasel “ ( as Paisley later called him…accurately. Sean Brady would secretly have wanted to… and Brady was/ is the bigger man) and his life after the Daly assassination.. well everybody knows. The dearest children of the church as Cardinal Marty said are those who can just stay within its bounds. Daly kicked Pat to the touch line…. Unpack that if you can join my dots !!!!!
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5.35: You’re the one who talked about poison queen comments at 4.30. I said there are a few repeat bitchy commenters who repeat daily. The onus is in you to point out all “queen comments”..And be sure to count your own too…Do you get it?
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Well 7:01 for a start.
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…. His ability and management…..error
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People can pray for DMK. DMK must be guided on the right path, to right the wrongs of his obscene behaviour.
DMK must make complete atonement. He needs to apologise to Dom Andersen and all the other victims of his obscene behaviour. He must apologise to his community. While the bishop has been a disgrace on this matter, DMK must also apologise to the bishop.
DMK must be treated by the right professional people.
As mentioned by someone above, it does seem absolutely bizarre and irresponsible in the extreme for Silverstream to have been taking postulants while their founding prior was under investigation. +TD is dicing with putting people in harms way and subsequently dicing with his own Episcopal status.
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Yet their website has Kirby pictured with his monks (likely how he sees them) and a form of words saying he’s in the clear. Nothing short of the bishop doing his job and send Kirby far away will suffice.
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“the allegations were denied”
“they have found no cause of action”
DMK was spinning and heralding the DPP not prosecuting him as an endorsement. +TD is allowing this charade to continue. An abbot and an abbot general resigned when the buck stopped with them.
The buck stops with +TD on this monastic matter. He needs to sort it out if he wants to save his Episcopal backside.
+TD will have to swallow his pride and say his mea culpas. Former Sub-Prior Benedict Andersen is the Prior in waiting to resolve the bishops problems.
Pax.
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Seamus to be honest I think it would be an act of cruelty if Benedict were expected to go back to the priory, let alone as prior, because of the abuse and retaliation he has already been subject to.
I completely agree with you that he would be the most obvious candidate as prior but I think the fact he is unlikely to be accepted by the community speaks volumes for what Silverstream is actually about. That is, not living monastic life in charity.
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I watched Robert’s latest video this morning and he kept holding up his copy of ..In Sinu Jesus.. as he seems convinced that Jesus speaks to Dom Kirby. Yet Pat said that it should be withdrawn. I am confused.
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Two very different perspectives. I believe ISJ are the ramblings of a repressed homoerotic narcissist, sadly.
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Well said Pat, this needs to be said loud and clearly, you’ve just gone way up in my estimations for that one comment. RN strikes me as way too easily mesmerised by homo-cult leaders, and is unwilling to admit the causes never mind the symptoms.
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Question? Are there certain priests who Christ does not love and care for? Just wondering which human beings are exempt from Christ’s love. Also my video is 100% open to challenge.
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Robert, serious answer, no there aren’t. But we have seen very clearly that many clerics and others do not try to model their own love on the love of Christ and only favour the love of self.
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5.18
There are no dimensions to His table. Not sure anyone including myself really gets that. It’s called human limitation…. a very beautiful flaw. It’s the crack that lets the light in…. as Leonard Coen so succinctly puts it in lyrical melodious tone. Je ne regrette ( de) rein …..as she elsewhere sings it..
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Robert, Does Christ love it when homo-cult leaders refuse to step down and admit their wrongdoing and the damage they have caused? None of us can skip genuine repentance and expect instant forgiveness without that repentance.
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Robert the damage caused at Silverstream was very calculated, severe, serious and long lasting, you need to start acknowledging it and supporting serious measures and redress instead of glossing over it, and “let’s move on, everybody’s sorry, nothing to see here now, everything’s great, they are all great ‘guys’ again”.
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They must be treated with mercy.
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From the front page of Silverstream’s Website as of Today :
” [Gardai] have found no cause of action against either Dom Mark or Silverstream Priory.
Subsequently, an independent external canonical investigation found no canonical case to answer. Silverstream Priory remains a recognised and registered charity with the Charities Regulatory Authority and complies fully with the Charities Governance Code. Dom Mark is a priest in good standing. ”
The victims need justice Robert, or do you only seek Justice for the victims in Thurles?
Where’s your big campaign for excusing the perpetrators there?
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I hope to the gods that tomorrow the media do not carry the usual Nulty nonsense for Valentines Day. Stomach churning… Accord propaganda.
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I hate Valentine’s Day. What a racket. Pure price-gouging by florists and restaurants and, prior to the lockdowns, you sat in an overcrowded restaurant eating overpriced food and among other couples eating in silence or looking at their phones on their annual romantic night out. They don’t tell you on the pre-marriage courses that that is what you have to look forward to.
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The old always withhold from the young…. It’s probably just as well….. the young wouldn’t believe us. It’s not a racket really…. there are a cohort of society in a very beautiful place; in the throes of real love and attraction , the idea of the day is a positive for them … it is still a head turning occasion for me… because of my age and upbringing nothing purient to see two fellows/ men or two girls/ women walking the streets of Dublin hand in hand…..to them and all in the throes of attraction and love, a happy day and days !!!
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5.42.
Apologies to Francophile s…. Prescriptive text!!!
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5.21: What’s your idea, Mr. Grumpy Loveless? You are a tiresome bore with your constant negativity…Find yourself a man or a woman. Lighten up, Dearie!
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St Valentine is one of my favourite saints. Mainly because Cardinal Newman took his body to England (he called it a mummy at customs). I don’t know where his body in Scotland came from and I think there are a couple of his heads knocking about as well.
Did somebody mention Theology of the Bodies?
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5.21
Is not Bishop Router doing the honours this year?
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9.32
Of more pleasant bearing anyway should that come to pass…..
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I’m crying with laughter at some of the comments today. ‘Why aren’t they married by 30’. Absolutely hilarious.
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5.31pm. I take it you’re in that category.
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5:57 zinger ! . . 5:31 roaring crying now. I love it when the trolls get trolled.
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Mind your own business, 5:57. And no I’m not rearranging the sheets for you.
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No, 7:48 still roaring with laughter at you. Haven’t you got some rooms to visit after Compline?
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It’s very strange the cathbots seem much more threatened by Robert than Pat. Unless they see him as an easier touch so want to target him first to separate you.
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Well, Pat is the more hard-boiled of the two and people are more afraid of him. Also, Pat decides what comments get published. There may be equally as many abusive remarks addressed at Pat that we never see.
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Believe me. There are 😀
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5.41: I don’t believe that to be the case at all. Robert is too melodramatic and full of shouting and big promises. He has a mission as a Catholic, as a Christian and it’s very commendable. But on the issues at centre of the blog, Pat is more discerning about his comments, though they hurt at times. Robert has a unique ministry in reaching out to men in their struggles and faith explorations and this too is very commendable. This to me is his forte.
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Whatever they perceive tomorrows feast to be: I would like to wish Bishop Patrick Buckley and his partner Eduardo ( I have spoken to him, never met him in person, unfortunately, not for the want of a kind invitation. I find the six counties/ the North/ Northern Ireland… repressive…. 3 of my grandparents came from Belfast) a very nice day… I hope one or other of them is serving up an epicurean delight to the other at whatever hour ( I am cognisant of Eduardo s working life at pleasing others). It is a great pity the RCC church cannot extend to same sex couples the same greeting…. entirely hypocritical… as many the sacerdotal or episcopal couple do so in private!!!!!!! Yes management is entirely….. join the dots. Cupich and Co ….. shame on you !
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Hear hear, William.
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Any chaps going down to the boiler house tonight ? Sunday is always good !
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Just in case you weren’t already aware, Dom Bernardus Peeters, former Abbot of Tilburg Abbey has been elected Abbot General of the Cistercians of the Strict Observance. He, along with the Abbess of Arnham, conducted the recent Visitation at Mount Melleray which ended in Richard Purcell’s resignation.
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Isn’t he the one who did the Mt Melleray visitation?
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In the meantime, when so many thousands of the multitude had gathered together that they trod upon one another, he began to say to his disciples first, “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. Therefore whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in private rooms shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.” (Luke 12:1-3)
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I’m puzzled at all the comnents here from people enraged about the canonical status of a monk and the internal conducr of Silverstream Priory, given that 99% of the people who comment here are either athiests, lapsed Catholics, Orthodox or Protestants. It’s madness.
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Human beings with hearts and consciences 😱
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LOL you can see them and have polled them, obviously, 7:06.
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Problem is that Dom Benedict has been victimised for over 2 years. We need to give closure.
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7.38: Victimised by many…Robert…oblates and asdociates too and Kirby’s sycophantic adherents…
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Pretty patronising from someone wanting to gloss over it all and move on without the root causes being properly addressed.
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7:06pm – you treated us badly so we walked that walk & now we talking that talk. Get over yourself – times have changed. Thank God for Bishop Patrick Buckley & his Blog. 😇
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7:06 – Don’t spoil our glee and scoffing, we like to pretend we are all fallen priests
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But what about all the atheists, lapsed Catholics, Orthodox & Orange Men/Persons. 😇
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Purcell is the polarity to Deignan , now of Galway, devoid of integrated human experience ( I am no advertising for it) …..
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Bishop Deignan is Clonfert. Not Galway. Just sayin’, like.
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Is he ot now both?
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Yes Pat, he is now bishop of both. This is seen as progress by some, but is it? Surely what we need are more good quality bishops not fewer bad quality ones. To the man who says we need lesser bishops I say we already have lesser bishops we just need fewer of them …
One fairly recent bishop, I won’t mention him by name but he is of a diocese with a large rural hinterland, took it upon himself to visit every parish and spend a few hours with the parishioners. Despite considering him a personal friend for years I thought him a poor choice as a bishop. This aside, his decision to visit parishes was a positive one. People remarked over and over the only time they say their bishop was for confirmations and even then he might not stay as he’s be doing confirmation in another parish the same afternoon. They’re not all bad nor are they engaging in coverups etc but they are managing decline at a dramatic rate. Think of regional managers for a product that fewer and fewer people are consuming and fewer people have any confidence in or respect for … If it was happening in the commercial sector people would be panicking. If it happened in the gubberment sector questions would be asked … Anyway it hardly matters, the Psalms say, do not put your faith in princes.
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7.19: William, using yourself as the template, can you tell us what “integrated human experience” is?? I know and somehow I don’t think you are the epitome of this concept. But, show us your true psychological erudition. (Devoid may need to be placed before your definition too..)!! …Please.
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7.59
I shall when you have the human experience to be anything other than anonymous. The gall of so many of you to ask me to account from the ground you stand on…. Such ignominy of self awareness
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Round of applause for 8:17.
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Bishop Michael Duignan is now responsible for 2 Diocese – Clonfert plus Diocese of Galway, Kilmacduagh & Kilfenora.
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I cannot see the problem. There are far too many dioceses. While there is something to being like Italy where a bishop is almost someone local, there either has to be some sort of simplification of the office, less staff, less paperwork. That said, this era demands a transparency and measurement of things which requires paperwork, bureaucrats. Anyhow, little Clonfert could be governed ecclesiastically by a bishop responsible also for a major population centre.
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I think JPII suppressed over 200 Italian dioceses.
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Duignan was to my memory essentially a decent fellow; he is the mascot of Brady and Jones; but integrally he was of a kind disposition; I regret his progress for himself, it will cost him in his humanity. But to the slavery of what he/ they adore…. so be it…. the price of status.
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Think microcosm of the entire structure.
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I’m a Protestant and would just like to thank you Catholics (especially the clergymen) for making our movement what it is. 🤗
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8:03 . . Many of us here are Free Presbyterians, welcome to the blog brother
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8.03: And what would that be – more irrelevant and smaller and confused?
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8.08.
It’s very simple; thinking outside the box: the box is not very helpful.
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We preach Christ crucified, Untruthful one at 8:08. If that be irrelevant to you, you’re predestined to damnation.
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8.32
Predestined to damnation; the personal energy involved would seem superfluous; would the personage on the cross be encompassed?
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9:02 By those predestined to perdition? No.
But the atonement is only for the elect.
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Handicapped children yet?
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7.59.
Can your kind: RCC indoctrinated; stop asking my kind; enlightened; to account for ourselves. Your question is idiotic.
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7.59
Epitome belongs to your world construct. Nothing to do with mine I respect an individual within whatever constructs they build themselves. You would do well to try….
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Pat, I’ve just watched Robert’s expose of “In Sinu Jesu” on his video. I am supportive of his call for a way forward with God’s mercy at the centre. His defense of Dom Mark is honourable. His views though are in total contrast to all you have written about Silverstream. His explanations are opposite to any judgment you have made. I find Robert’s video on In Sinu Jesu most extraordinary. He is now pfophetising that we’ll have Chapter 2 of Dom Kirby. I like his concept of forgiveness, mercy and renewal but I am wondering how this latest video sits with you because you are mentioned in it. What Robert is proclaiming is at total variance to everything printed by practically all commenters on your blog. Where is the truth now? I have lots of questions about the approach and analysis of the Silverstream drama.. I worry about the effect all this is having on the monks. I pray for all of them.
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In fairness Mullaney has issued a ban on Maynooth Seminarians attending Stamullen.
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