“Homosexuals are the second most disgusting species on the planet”.
I often get comments like this coming into the blog and invariably don’t publish them.
Why is it that when people talk a out “straight” couples they talk about love, children, mortgages, schools – as well as sex.
But when they talk about homosexual couples they concentrate on the physical sexual behaviour such couples get up to?
Gay couples nowadays also have love and mortgages – and now can also have children either through adoption or surrogacy.
All happy and fulfilled couples, whether hetero or homo, experience sex as one aspect of theirives.
Other aspects, such as partnership, love, affection and friendship take up much more time.
Some gay men and women are sexually promiscuous. But so are some straight men and women.
Some gay couples engage in anal sex. But so do many straight couples.
Some gay couples gave no sex life after a while. Some straight couples experience the same.
Some gay couple live their lives as brothers and brothers or sisters and sisters. So do some straight couples
In fact I would say more hetero couples opt for twin beds or separate bedrooms than gay couples do.
The point I’m trying to make is that we should not concentrate on sex when it comes to gay couples. There are many more aspects to theirives than sex.
And many gay couples have faith and pray together.
And I should know. I have been in such a partnership for 14 years.
So, let’s look at all couples in the broader context of the totality of their relationship.
Not to do so is simply indulging in ignorance and prejudice.
ST PATRICK’S COLLEGE, THURLES.
CORONERS REPORT – A PUBLIC DOCUMENT
PAT SAYS,
The recent concentration on Silverstream does NOT mean that our investigation into the bullhorn and death of Michael Deegan is being forgotten.
Far from it.
Michael Deegan was bullied to the poi t he voted take no more and chose the most tragic way of ending his pain.
Those responsible for his bullying and death are still alive must be named and held accountable.
The clergy who were aware of his horrific plight and did nothing are as guilty as the bullies.
The Church that has hidden or destroyed the records stands accused!
Michael Deegan’s blood in on many hands.
His cry for truth and justice is still heard on the breezes of Tipperary and Offaly.
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
181 replies on “HOMOSEXUAL PARTNERSHIP IS ABOUT MUCH MORE THAN SEX !”
Which diocese was the seminarian RIP?
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That’s your own opinion Pat. I know from experience that gays (I am one but rare to my own view) are motivated by sex with lots of different men and ‘fresh’ meat. I love my boyfriend who is 12 years older than me but I know I have a short shelf life as he has parochial taste when it comes to his sexual desires.
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Well make the most of him before you reach your age limit, maybe dye your hair and get Botox to throw him off your age for a few years?
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Or you could begin replacing all the light switches in your home with dimmable ones. No?
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Believe it or not, I actually thought about the dimmable switch idea but the problem is when we go out? The masks are handy but sure even they are being done away with now so I wouldn’t be able to disguise my age from him at all x
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He sounds like a right twat, I say move on before you are pushed and find someone much better.
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A part of gay roman catholic priests…, the rest of the homosexual are not monsters… And do you know why? Because they see the truth of their being in the face and embrace it!!!
Gay roman catholic priests who packed churches and Cathedrals are hypocrite and committed an heresy in every breath they take!!!
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The inquest into Michael Deggan, God rest his soul, was despicable. Perfunctory and no real questioning. A genuine cover-up.
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Agreed, it just a basic tick box, we don’t want to know is what it looks like. So much “for the human story”. It’s awful, God Rest Him.
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I thought the same when reading those rather mediocre witness statements; they don’t even ask if there was anything suspicious, anything troubling him, etc.
It’s very, very frightening that that could even happen.
However, saying that: look at what happened in Liverpool only recently.
Things have not changed that much at all since 1994. Sadly.
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The coroner’s report is fairly open to criticism but he’s still managed, out of respect for the deceased, not to have a conversation about gay marriage at the same time or allow a bunch of clowns to scribble comments about light switches over the report. Jesus.
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The Coroner said in that era there were different standards to today. The fact remains had lessons been learned after the first suicide attempt, then Micheal’s death could have been avoided. The Church has to acknowledge the bullying and the failure to act.
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Who do you think you are to comment on gay issues. Oh sorry your lord, I bow to thee
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12:09 pm— I understand where you’re coming from. Some people don’t always read the full intro at first, and that for me can sometimes be in the morning.
I have been subjected to horrible bullying, so I know the impact it has on individuals and the family unit. And when those doing the bullying are supposed to “know better” — like priests and other professionals — it’s even more the soul destroying x
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I must say I was not a fan of Michaels and he gets a lot of sympathy on this blog.
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An inquest has limited functions. It is limited by law 1: Who died, hence the evidence of identification. 2: When did they die, hence the evidence of last to see the person alive and evidence of discovery. 3 how did they die, hence the pathology report. That’s it in a nutshell. Often difficult in cases of suicide as it is never asked what caused this person to do that, because an inquest is not about placing blame.
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Pat who would legally reopen this case?
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If it could be established that Michael was “bullied” it would be a case for the Gardai.
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If he was bullied could his estate not bring a claim against the seminary (diocese)?
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Are you sure about that Pat, I thought the bullying laws in Ireland only came in in 2000?
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It should have been established at the time. This easily could have been a Labour stronghold in the North of England judging from the nuances.
It’s really sad.
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Bishop Pat, am I right in recalling you as saying late last year that a significant story was emerging in Armagh?
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Can’t understand why it’s stated that Fr. Christy identified Michael’s body at 3.10pm when he was actually attending a hurling match in Limerick. There was just one priest staff member in the college when Michael was discovered and it wasn’t Christy.
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Well if you know that much for sure then you know enough to give a lot more information on the events that led up to MD’s death.
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Let’s face it Pat very few of the homosexual male community want anything to do with marriage.
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They fought so hard and vocally for it to. Most gay relationships are open.
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They were making a point and rubbing people’s noses in it. They are no more interested in marriage than the man in the moon
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It was about Neo-Marxist (or Cultural Marxist if you prefer) politics not marriage, same as the abortion referendum was about politics not actual human life. Civil partnership already covered all the legal requirements anyone would need.
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Pat, we should stop classifying people by sexuality, people are a lot more than that. This blog does not need to be obsessed and controlled by sex. It’s time to acknowledge this blog is plagued with a with demonic style lewd sexually immature remarks, the vast majority of which are of a homosexual nature.
Perhaps out of some kind of misplaced loyalty, you are probably allowing these very sad and obviously unhappy pitiful people somewhere to express themselves in they only way they seem to know how, but there are plenty of other blogs for that.
It takes away credibility from your good work exposing abuses in the Church. A lot of people have been subject to sexual abuse in the Church and many of their abusers also indulged in these types of lewd sexual remarks as a grooming tactic, so please moderate them, and let’s concentrate on the sorting out the Church problems you highlight.
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Blog off pansexual
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No.
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Those comments are, without exception, posted by clerics and other cathbots messing up this blog with troll comments. The most bizarre thing about this is that Pat knows full well the church has tried everything else to get this blog shut down and will resort to literally anything, but continues to allow them to destroy his work and put sensible commenters off. Do you read comments like that on LGBTQ forums? No. QED.
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11:11 – I agree with you that these obvious detractors with trivialising comments & some on here this morning who are completely disrespectful to the subject matter that a young seminarian was driven to his death by now clerics serving in our communities. We all know how “expert” the big & powerful RCC is at censoring abuse victims etc. It is off putting to find these detractors posting rubbish just to trivialise Bishop Pats work. I would respectfully suggest that they be discouraged in the long term interests of keeping this blog valid & effective.
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11:37 I suspect it’s a bit of self sabotage which he thinks is being open.
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I don’t believe every troll post on here is from Priests, far from it. If I were I Priest I would not touch this blog with a bargepole given the relentless stream of trolling comments of a malign nature. What Priest wants to pollute their eyes, head and spirituality with that. The Trolls post their sexual comments here because they know they will get published. What Bishop or Priest, independent or not and supposed to be a spiritual father would allow and encourage such damaging posts to the credibility of their blog? I don’t get it. Pat Buckley is an intelligent man, he could easily force a rise in the quality level of the posts on this blog if he wanted to. Then we might actually learn something worthwhile. I’m out. (yeah yeah no big loss says the pet trolls, I’ll save them the bother of typing it)
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A fair and sensible observation @ 11:54. I absolutely agree.
MMM
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7.41: I have requested Pat to stop printing vulgar, sexual comments when a serious issue is being discussed. These vulgar types do not belong to this blog. Also, now that Robert Nugent is tasked by Pat to investigate Silverstream, does Pat agree with the horrendous sexual imagery used against Dom Kirby, knowing that Robert vehemently opposes such horribleness, unkindness and merciless behaviour, and rightly so? I imagine Robert made his views known to Pat. Any priest with self respect and integrity would not post the infantile, immature and offensive vulgarity we get frequently. Yes, the odd priest might post something inappropriate but the vast, vast majority would not. The filthy comments today are crass and insulting to the memory of M. Keegan and others who have been abused. Pat: please stop printing the trollopy comments.
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The Statement of Malachy Murphy should have elicited more questions. Surely if a student offered his books, you’d query why he would not be needing them any more. The least one might expect from someone training for a life in ministry. That surely was a red flag. Not much of a shepherd in the making or was he also cowed in that bullying environment. Very sad for Michael Deegan & his family. Rest in Peace.
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@12.12am Armagh moved Malachy Murphy from Thurles very quickly after this to Maynooth I am led to believe. Michael Deegan suddenly offering to give away his books late at night should surely have set alarm bells ringing to Mr Murphy. Was he ever ordained I wonder?
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9:45am I’m sure they did move Malachy Murphy very quickly. That’s the widespread modus operandi. I also understand that Michael Deegan had attempted to take his own life on a previous occasion which makes it even more questionable why the alarm was not immediately raised when he spoke of giving away his books. These Inquest documents create more questions than they answer & lack any shred of credibility. The Case should be reopened even to make sure it was really suicide.
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A cover up indeed. Blood on their hands yes. However, if they are not punished for their wrong doings in this life, as sure as eggs are eggs, they will be in the next. Judgement Day will come to all of us. We will be judged on the life we have lead and punished accordingly.
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7:21am – but it’s imperative that they be called to account here on earth to prevent them ruining the lives of more and more people in this life. When they say “Peace”, that just means MYOB & let us get on with it. People lose their lives and sanity when authorities let them get away with it. All this proactive wallpapering to protect their own interests is toxic.
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11.17 am anon
Yes, I absolutely agree with you, they should most certainly be punished for their dreadful behaviour in this life. However, what I was meaning was if they were to get off ‘Scot free’ in this life, they won’t in the next. God’s Law is perfect.
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The statements seem very short, staccato evening. The whole thing is perfunctory. Nothing about the state of mind in the days and night before. It must have been awful for the person making the discovery. Were they a child?
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Do we get the idea that gay men are sex obsessed by seeing Pride parades, drag acts and gay comedians on the telly whose entire performance is based on double entendre? And that’s even before thinking about the likes of Grindr, saunas and cottaging.
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7:44 – By the constant stream of very sexually immature and vulgar commentary and innuendo on this blog, the vast majority of it homosexual, we can see that they are. So much for being a Christian blog. They seem all consumed by it. I’ll feel sorry for them. Achieving freedom to sin actually makes you a total slave to it. Please pray for them.
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Victim awarded £1.4m compensation for abuse by Christian Brothers in Scotland. Court finds that the abusers were able to act with impunity. The detail about the David Bowie song shows highly developed levels of cruelty and sadism.
I’m done with this so-called Church.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-60377109
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I’ve had plenty of men, but I never had a relationship or an affair as they used to call it in my say in my day. I don’t think I could have been monogamous anyway, yet celibacy has never bothered me since about forty-five. I miss the gay friendships I had most before AIDS took them.
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I’ve never had a gay friend to be honest I don’t know how anyone would trust them to be a friend they lust after womens husbands and would sell you out with a blink of an eye lid
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Of note today in the. news (I accept not on theme for today’s blog, but newsworthy) is the awarding of £1.4 million to a man who was abused by the Christian Brothers in Scotland. Wow ! Imagine if that were replicated across the churches in the UK and Ireland for those who have been abused by clergy, religious, church run institutions, neglect, abuse and coverup ! The Church in those countries would be bankrupt. Perhaps no bad thing. It would bring to Church back to humility and simplicity. Whether this man will actually be able to collect the £1.4. million from the Christian Brothers, I am not sure, but I expect the CBs will have done everything they can to minimise their exposure, as they did to try and frustrate this case. The lawyers will surely also take a large chunk for their time and effort. However, it is a signal that is being sent out by the courts, especially in Scotland, that justice for the abused also means some kind of restitution, and money is currently where the restitution lies. I think we have learnt that the formulaic apologies, the offer of small meat in counselling or a few thousand pounds here and there is not enough to bring sufficient restitution, justice and the beginnings of closure in these cases. For too long, dioceses and bishops have tried to get in there and sweet talk victims in to agreements to accept minimal payouts and agreements not to take things further, usually packaging it as wanting to prevent the victim any further upset, but in reality knowing all along that they are serving their own interests in preventing these things costing them a lot more. Well, perhaps those days are over. I would encourage victims to take things further in law if they possibly can. Only in that way will the Church fully realise the harm they have done, and be encouraged to take this matter seriously and ensure it never happens again. Anything less leaves them thinking that it’s not such a big deal, and that they can put it behind them and move on. Only for it to come back and reappear years later.
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9:18 – I don’t think these type of people care how much money their conduct and mismanagement costs their parishioners. In my parish I only ever donate enough to cover my share of contribution necessary for heating, lighting, maintenance and basic living. Anything else above this and sooner or later they always end up squandering or misusing it.
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We rarely see the parish priest – it’s all the helpers except they don’t actually say Mass – he is very dependent on them. That’s where it is going & they odd bods too – shady & shifty & secretive & self important – think they own the town.
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Any gay men I know, in a relationship or not, are eager for fresh meat!
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Inquest was a formality, no questions asked
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9:29 – what do you expect when the clergy & their lay henchmen will have used their connections & contacts & networked in advance of Inquest with all the right decision makers to brush it all under the carpet as swiftly as possible. The RCC is a well oiled machine when it comes to exonerating themselves of responsibility for anything.
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11.27: We have seen over the decades the cover up of suspicious death of many people in our country, not just clerical ones. Thankfully, forensic science has improved hugely that the smallest piece of evidence or analysis of timelines, dates and testimonies can bring the TRUTH into the light. In the past, deaths of people through medical negligence were skimmed over. Not any more. Likewise information about those who took their lives was treated very privately, perhaps not even spoken of. Whatever the circumstances around M. Deegan’s death must be reexamined for the full TRUTH.
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The whole thing seemed to have been a “box ticking” exercise. The boxes were quickly ticked and signed off so the file could be closed as quickly as possible. Dysfunctional Irish public service style.
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The Gardaí are the ones in the state responsible for investigating and prosecuting criminal behaviour, yet they constantly turn a blind eye. All they are really interested in is the daily chicken snack box delivery to the local barracks, tea/coffee breaks, and the latest tic tok dance video rehearsal, and God help you if you ever inadvertently interrupt any of those. They are now Glorified traffic wardens who hide away from dealing with real crimes. Complainants and victims are always investigated and harassed in Ireland by the authorities far more thoroughly than criminals ever are. Ireland’s a white collar criminal’s paradise.
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he Irish Gardai are actually very well trained and effective at what they do. I have yet to meet someone who is this critical of them and has had much experience with them. They are especially good at dealing with victims of sexual abuse or some tragedy. Unless people report actual crime to them they’re not going to act.
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The Irish Gardai are quite corrupt! Ask Rabbi Mulvihill.
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12:15 – it would be a good idea to have Michael Deegan and any others who died in unexpected circumstances exhumed now that DNA & forensics are much improved.
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Who doesn’t have a gay or a lez in their family these days? It’s all the rage
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If you can’t be gay or lez, at least you can wave one in the family about like a fashion accessory.
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12:55 – it’s all about money, they make money out of issuing speeding tickets – all they get for dealing with white collar crime is loads of headache & paperwork & the well connected ones can make life awkward & get off Scot free when or if it comes to Court anyway. It’s all who you know & how deep the pockets are that seems to determine justice in Ireland.
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Gardaí are corrupt, very, I agree..
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Pat I am trapped in a cage struggling to break free. I have a wife and kids and my heart breaks at what coming out would do to their own hearts. I don’t think I can go on.
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You need to talk to someone else for support and help.
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I am sick of the ‘talk’ to someone else for help advice, it doesn’t work for everyone
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I understand. Would you talk to me?
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Don’t see why anyone would 9:57.
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Homosexual sex isn’t everything. Pull yourself together, grow up, and take responsibility, and look after and be a proper father to the family YOU set up and committed to instead of breaking it up and causing them so much life changing hurt, psychological harm and confusion.
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“ Why is it that when people talk a out “straight” couples they talk about love, children, ”
It’s not terribly complicated. One a man and a woman can procreate!
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Science is working on a way to get males pregnant and give birth now. We need more pregnant male Popes, Bishops and Priests.
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The bisexuals were the one to blame for the aids crisis not the homosexuals
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So in other words it was only a problem when the bi’s infected the heterosexual community?
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Michael Deegan RIP.
We’ve seen in recent days that some victims are afraid to come forward for fear of reprisals or that they want to move on from their experiences.
If people without this fear can gather for constructive peaceful prayer vigils, it can shine a light on the darkness that some people with vested interests want to cover-up.
Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.
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Sorry but we’re more interested in entertaining sexual material here that “prayer and light”. Any sexual details dirty stories or jokes?
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Lol this just gets better, Mullaney has issued a decree of blocking the seminary wifi accessing the Blog. Another example of Mullaney and his dark hidden regime of preventing freedom of speech. Pat please advocate Mullaney to change his mind.
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‘To sin by silence, when they should protest, makes cowards of men’
Ella Wheeler Wilcox.
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So you won’t be able to access the blog through the seminary Wi-Fi? What’s to stop you using local Wi-Fi’s, 4G etc.
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It’s just the stalker talking nonsense. There’s a single WiFi for the whole Maynooth campus, including the seminary residential quarters, operated by the secular Maynooth University computer centre.
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Next he’ll be blocking the porn sites. The thought of it.
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12.19
Hotspots 😂😂 Herr Flick has heard of them ?
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@1:31pm While I was at F’bro Abbey we had a Priest come to stay with a similar affliction and look to the comedic character you mention. Cuthbert privately nicknamed him “Pere Flick!!!” lol ~Tom Wood
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Clearly Mullaney has never heard of a VPN:-)
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… because the only way for people in the seminary can access the blog is through the seminary wifi. I wonder has he blocked porn too? Right, that sorts that issue. No need to assume anyone knows how to use a VPN or even acces all the naughty stuff on a smart phone. Mullaney is book smart but not clever at all. Has he lost his babish looks by the way? Has middle age been harsh on him?
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This is a wild goose chase started by the stalker who lied and wanted people to believe that he had some insider knowledge. There isn’t a seminary wifi. Many services on the Maynooth campus are shared by St Patrick’s and Maynooth University. IT for the entire campus, including WiFi, is provided by the MU Computer Centre, including the WiFi in St Mary’s, where the sems live. Throughout the campus there are the same restrictions on blocked sites, as set by the MU Computer Centre (and not by Fr Mullaney). As the different parts of the campus are so intertwined and shared, eg Pugin Hall, there is no technical means by which to have restrictions in parts of one building and not in another.
It is a great pity that every day, and even today, the Maynooth/Killaloe stalker comes out with the same repeat crap and lies. He is seriously unwell.
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I wish people could just calm down about sexuality. Yes, it is a fact of life, and an energy, but it is something that all of us have in whatever guise. So, just get on with it, and stop worrying about it, and especially stop obsessing about other people’s sexuality and what they are up to and what relationships they may have. The only time it needs to be considered is if it leads a person in to illegality, or is contrary to other aspects of their life that they hold up to us in public – like celibacy. If a celibate is sexually active either way, then that simply needs to be pointed out, the person corrected, and if he doesn’t do something about it to change and be faithful to what he is professing, then he needs to move on. Just like any other aspect of life which stands in contradiction to what the person professes to be, including in the world of work. Outside of that, how people run their lives, with whom they are in relationship what sort of sexual activity they engage in, when, how and with whom, is of supreme indifference and should just be left to the private sphere of life. Whatever the lifestyle and choice of people is with regard to their sexuality, lifestyle, relationships etc, should be celebrated quietly and respected.
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Peoples lifestyle choices have an impact on the rest of society. People living the life of using people are steps towards women not being safe to walk or run in certain places.
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Not to subtract anything of the seriousness of your comment; it has been ever thus…. the doctrine of original sin which Paul VI asked a Pontifical Academy to reinvent for the times ( that was the 1960s), it never happened. The hysteria of particular instance takes from the ever present malevolence of human action at any hour around the planet. Ukraine in these hours…. not a mention in European media of the starving millions who n Afghanistan… no mention of the dying in unvaccinated countries ( why ?) yet Trudeau in Canada is reversing civil fights big time with 1988 draconian legislation. Djokovic is on BBC 1 tonight… I heard him on BBC Radio 4 earlier today. An interesting man…. complex…. but very sure of the ground he stands on despite his errant supporters, his supporters of integrity and the encircling mob( including Australian let’s say… “ institutions “). One of the oldest rights in the world, derived from Magna Carta is the right to be left alone if you are doing both wrong. The tenor of the Blog is not the place to unpack that …. but you are right about choices impacting society. Trouble is the life without reflection is always in a rush to judge the choices of others… even in the privacy of a private room( e.g the listening devices in hotel rooms in Soviet Russia… if you were celebrating a Mass…. It was soon interrupted). I use that example before others judge here I am referring to sexuality or any of its tangents. The Fear of Freedom by Eric Fromm is the best I’ve ever read on what you are alluding to…. May all men, women and children be safe…. That is good to pray… but it is to be remembered Climate Change is dealing with what is messing up the planet ( at a Biblical dictate enshrined in Christian doctrines), to say nothing of the personal safety of each of us ( in danger from another or an Institution) written of through the centuries in all cultures but never yet achieved. Nothing new under the sun as another biblical contributor puts it. The RCC and this Blog have exactly the same dynamic. The night is nearly here… and the light will be back tomorrow… ‘‘twas ever thus. ( Is you don’t get my style or do not “ assent “ to my ramblings….. please this time…. Leave me alone. Humour please!)
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True & an abusive & collusive RCC impacts on a dearth of bums on seats & pennies in baskets. They are on here checking feedback about themselves but if they weren’t the way they are, they could actually go away & do what they were ordained to do – its logical enough really but they are addicted to both victim creation & victim blaming. Toxic. The ones persecuting Michael Deegan were covered up for – that says it all. May he somehow Rest in Peace.
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There are two reasons for the number of ridiculous comments today
1. the blog is in part about Michael Deegan and we know they’re rattled.
2. Pat is allowing it to happen.
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5.16
Several errors… always a reason…. even purient the other day !!!!!
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5.16
….. doing not wrong…..( to be left alone if you are doing nothing wrong) error….. apologies
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Pat, what on earth is the rationale / logic of mixing all this homosexual sexual commentary with the tragic death of Michael Deegan? Can you please imagine his family reading this? It’s like exposing the victims memory all over again to this cabal of jackals and hyenas. For God’s sake cop yourself on. This is a disgrace.
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2.01. I totally agree. I only hope that Michael’s family are not reading this today . My heart goes out to them. There is a time for everything and the autopsy papers should have been a stand-alone issue in my opinion. I’m disappointed in you Pat.
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I wish I has £ 1 for each person I’ve “disappointed”.
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Fr Malachy Murphy (who snubbed the offer of books, is PP of Loughgilly in south Armagh. He celebrated his silver jubilee a few years ago.
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Father Malachy Murphy is a very decent fellow. No nonsense.
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Mulvihill @ 5.40pm I would worry about any positive character reference you could offer regarding anyone. Your own track record speaks for itself. Please define “no nonsense” please. That asks more questions than it provides any clear answers. You do tend to talk in riddles though.
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Bill, what does “no nonsense” mean in this context?
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As Churchill said about the actions of Russia, Bill Mulvihill’s comments are a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
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Fr Malachy Murphy is a “company” man.
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Why did Malachy Murphy refuse the books or not enquire why the offer was being made? Seems a crass and insensitive approach.
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No nonsense @5.40pm in clergy terms means doesn’t tolerate the laity voicing an opinion and a bit of a control merchant. What Father basically dictates goes.
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– Is there a deposition from the father of the finder?
– How long would a seminarian be missed?
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6.17
No
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6.17
Do a study of what “ worry” is psychologically ? You clearly would seek to control. From the little you blog, that is my assessment of you. Thanks for yours in my case. The price of eggs in Austria rises and falls, do you follow?
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6.17
Have a go at Ulysses…… the riddle is not so difficult there!!!! And if it is try Terry Killeen on the matter.
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A seminarian’s absence from morning prayer or Mass would be noted by the dean, if present, who would likely follow up on it.
If the dean was not present, students would assume the student was sick, slept in or had been excused that day. Absence at lunchtime would be treated along the same lines.
Depending on the size of the student body and with staggered lunchimes an absence probably wouldn’t be noted until the evening, especially if it was a Saturday.
I am surprised that none of his classmates called to his room to see if he was ok. Perhaps they did, but there’s no record of that in these flimsy statements.
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It is my understanding the Sunday was something of an “open day” hence the finding of the bodily remains in an unusual location by a family member of a seminarian. I am open to correction on this as I have to remember many many important things these days and they tens to push out the older and more trivial facts.
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Alvin at 4.17.
I just noticed that poor Micheal was absent on Sunday morning. I’d expect his absence from Sunday Mass would be noticed. I wasn’t at Thurles but I imagine that the whole community, including the dean and resident staff would be at it. Even in much bigger Maynooth in that period the deans noticed if someone was away from Sunday Mass (sems were not missing Mass altogether, just going to it outside the college, which the deans frowned upon).
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6.39
As is the right of anyone who writes or blogs anything… it’s ambiguity is entirely intentional. When such ambiguity arises, the prudent reader will go through the possible meanings. Invariably, discernment will reward the effort of the interested. Dismissal here is almost a badge of honour. “ Anonymous “ I do not attach to honour or any sort of integrity.
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Russia has always been a great civilisation. I admire Churchill but his sense of history was dubious. I admire all things British ( they always cared for their own, like the Jewish people) but I would never describe their Empire as a civilisation…. too much greed and the seeking of gold and money). They snuffed out too many precious peoples in the world and a couple of hundred years ago nearly accomplished it here. Yes, I hope you are attuned when you are quoting Churchill. Respectfully, Bill Mulvihill
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Me at 7.14
Excuse my error not 6.59 my reply is to 6.50. Thank you.
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Why does Dr De Freitas give the wrong date?
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Robert, are you going to actually interview victims of Kirby and Silverstream on the 18th? Did you find some who will speak to you?
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Yes wheels are in motion (subject to change, and technical setup) I will keep you updated.
Anyone who has information on Dom Mark email me on. ranugent@icloud.com
I’m absolutely committed to getting closure for Dom Benedict
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I’ve said this on a previous thread but this man’s monumental hubris is astonishing and riddled with inconsistencies.
He landed THE Report on Thurles which proved not to be as definitive as heralded in his tabloid-style promo video AND now he’s threatening to shut down Silverstream. He’s determined about this and he won’t be stopped!!!!
Dom Kirby is now a cultlike figure and with NO hint of self-awareness whatsoever, he’s telling us we don’t need this type of drama in the church all the while screeching in outrage at the screen with more drama than a bus full of drama queens. At about 14 mins this guy is whipping himself into a frenzy – blinded by his own self-importance.
I cannot wait for the ‘LIVE’ interview with the victims abused by Dom Kirby promised on his YouTube channel.. I’ve a bumper bag of popcorn at the ready. At this rate, I’ll be able to cancel my NETFLIX. account.
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Asmodeus , pray I get the equipment I need by Friday. There absolutely will be an interview with victims. But logistics and format is challenging
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5.46: Robert, can you clarify if Dom Benedict heard or read your apology and what was his response, if any? Also, have you communicated with Dom Kirby recently? If so, what is his response? You are so committed to The Thurles and Silverstream controversies, I pray you will mind your health. Truth and justice are vital. But realise that you can be very hurt in all of this. I ask God to give you discernment, wisdom and courage.
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The archdioceses are destroying confidence among parishioners of their suffragans by their bad money flows, gossip and trickery.
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Any word on the party animals from the Armagh diocese Pat? Have they settled themselves?
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Animal? I just saw a woman earlier sharing an ice cream with her pug in Ballycastle! Utter savage!
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@6.33pm You repeat the pug story again from a previous blog. Why don’t you try a more true realistic story next time l
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Its true. I saw it as well!
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Pure hallion she is
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Muck raking savage. Who would share ice cream with a dog?
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I would.
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8.52: Robert is turning into a nasty person. The hyped up sensationalism is very disturbing: then we get nothing. Now Robert is in a war with his once godlike mentor, Dom Kirby. All your talk about mercy, love, tolerance and compassion – are now defunct. You are displaying immense contradictions and hypocrisy. All this change in a few days after literally canonising Dom Kirby!! Bizarre.
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8.52: Robert, this comment bears no relation to anything Asmodeus said. Are you being very facetious or just missing the judgment by Asmodeus? You may need to read it again. Well spoken Asmodeus.
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A comment at 12:05pm stated ; “I also understand that Michael Deegan had attempted to take his own life on a previous occasion…”
Is it true Michael had previously attempted suicide? If so, where ?
Did Michael leave a suicide note or explanation of any kind?
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Can you provide details? Where is that info from ?
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Loons the lot of ye. If the lad had tried previously to top himself do you think he’d have been left in the sem ?
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Exactly, Submicron, a seminarian would not be allowed to continue in such circumstances.
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Pat the homosexual headlines do not cut it with the blog readers can we ditch these for headlines like priests dogging in dirty bushes on the Antrim coast?
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@7.40pm You mean the blog headlines don’t cut it for you alone you filthy animal.
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7:40pm it’s happening in Cork too – but RTE won’t put that on Nationwide.
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There is a subject being addressed on this Blog. For anyone who finds my contributions amounting to riddle… well sorry for your chosen understanding….. my contributions to the best of what’s possible are done ( sometimes!) with sensitivity. For that reason I blog the following; my proficiency in Latin is not good…. but it’s words are much kinder and grounded in earthy human empathy. That is why the Latin for the subject I am referring to is much more encompassing of the matter than the crude English clause that attaches to death of that kind. In Roman culture , heroism sometimes attached to it. It will take some more decades and neurological research to realise the import of its original meaning in Latin.
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7.43
And of course Greek culture ….. and so many others snuffed out by Empires!
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7.04: This querying about Michael D is an unwanted intrusion into his family’s pain and hurt. Disgusting.
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The blog is querying how the seminary authorities handled this matter.
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The blog is conducting its own inquest, but to what end is unclear. Thurles seminary is closed, those involved will either stick by what they said back then, or will offer the defence that it was a long time ago and memories of the actions of the college and diocese are faded. Some of the other protagonists may be dead. No police or prosecutors would reopen this case. An inquest reached its verdict.
I can well understand the criticism of a seminary that this trajic event occurred, the criticism being that the seminary was to a greater or lesser extent a cause, or that the seminary authorities and students should have noticed distress and anxiety and offered support and counselling, or remedied the causes of distress that were within their control.
But nobody, and I mean nobody, from the college or diocese, is going to come forward, especially not to this blog, which they will say is using this trajic event to again attack the Church, even at the cost of hurting the family.
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Lord to whom else shall we go
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Well Ultan, if no one else comes forward then on Judgement Day at least Pat Buckley and Robert Nugent can say this particular injustice was publicly aired by them and buried by others. It’s not really true to say nothing will come from it because I had all but forgotten this incident from more than 25 years ago until I saw it on this blog.
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8:32pm
What makes you so certain nobody from the college or diocese is going to come forward?
By the way, some of us querying this matter includes members of the Church.
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@8:32 Ultan, Thurles Seminary is Mary Immaculate College nowadays. Hopefully that means at least there might be less difficulty investigating matters like the poor suicide, whereas there might have been if it was, say, a Nobertine house, whose records would’ve been dumped in a box and sent off to Belgium or the dump after shredding. That might be too hopeful, but it would mean a measure of justice for Michael J. Deegan can be got somehow.
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7:04 yes, Priest, everything is an intrusion in your book when you want the death of an innocent young man swept under carpet or septic tank. 🤮🤮.
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9.28: Think you are confused about who you are responding to. Family sensitivities matter in all tragedies. Do not ever think it’s rught to use another person’s abuse for agendas. It’s another abuse. Family feelings are paramount, you fool. Have you had a tragedy to deal with, ever? I have. You most certainly wouldn’t want vultures at your door looking for a story or asking others for information. FAMILY SENSITIVITIES MATTER.
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9.28pm, you sound like the alkie who used to be on this blog 24/7. You’re not him, are you?
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This back and forth between Pat and Robert is nauseating. One trying to outdo the other. Robert, does Dom Kirby know you are seeking information about him?
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What have you to fear ?
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7.48: Nothing at a to fear, Pat. Nothing. But this gamesmanship us nauseating.
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I asked the great mystic Dom Mark Kirby if he would visit Pat privately or if Pat could visit him. Silverstream got angry. So this great mystic that Christ was using to draw priests back to the Eucharist does not seem to have space for an private meeting with Pat. If Christ was actually speaking to his heart, he would go to any fallen priest. Even Pat, or allow any fallen priest go to him. The penny dropped for me, I’ve been taken for a fool. Christ’s love and mercy is for all, and we should have the heart of Christ to talk to those who have suffered and walked a different path. I make no apologies for reaching out to Pat. We have radically different views. So what? We agree abuse should stop. Dom Benedict was psychologically and emotionally abused.
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Robert, that’s very interesting.
It’s also highly ironic that the great advertised vocation of Silverstream is to support priests, and here they are actively destroying Fr Benedict, the only priest ever ordained for Silverstream (and probably the last too).
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Sooner or later all frauds come down. Silverstream was the biggest catholic fraud of the last 10 years in Ireland. The deluded vanity project of one man. Sad.
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9.27: Another great hypocrisy, your Robert. Your cynical, nastier side us appearing and I am disappointed. Who are you to tell Dom Mark Kirby what to do, who to speak to and when? Are you crazy? After the most horrible, nasty, sneering, vulgarised, sexualized and vicious condemnation again Mark by Pat, you actually thought he would sit at tablecloth Pat? Robert, you are too fond now of the limelight given to you. You are acting out of a great hubris, sadly. You are intruding unnecessarily into the harmony, peace and reconciliation which Silverstream are desperately seeking. Your turnabout is unhelpful to them. Perhaps you need to bring yourself to God in prayer. You are being utterly unkind. We are being taken for fools by you.
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9.27: You Robert contributed to that abuse. Though you’ve apologised, Dom Benedict was ruined by the community and Oblates who, along with you, sided with Kirby. You were forced to rem8ve sime of the comments you made abiut Dom Benedict until recently. I’m all for TRUTH and JUSTICE but please, stop fooling us with all these large headlines of messiaship.
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9.27: Your analysis is pious psychology at its worst. You think Dom Kirby should fall prostrate before you and Pat? I am now beginning to recognise your delusions, Robert. Somehow you should ask God’s mercy.
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Robert at 9.27: Remember the words of Jesus – “Do not judge, do not condemn…”. You used these very often to speak about the mercy of God, a mercy you asked us to give Dom Mark, yet now he’s doomed to hell or worse, at the receiving end of your harsh judgments. We all know the wrongs of Kirby and the grave concerns expressed about the welfare of the monks. Don’t you believe the monks still need much prayer now? I would worry about their mental well being after this comment and your expression of it. I really do worry about these men. In relation to your live interviews soon with victims of Dom Kirby, I hope you will research all incidents fully. And I’m wondering, if there was any potential law suits against Silverstream, would the live interviews be seen as prejudicial in any such case as, undoubtedly, allegations will be made in your live interviews.
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The RCC and most religions are erroneous on the most profound of human encounter. At birth, the Christian Church teaches “ original sin” and then at death it hauls in “ judgment.” As mature and developed as episcopal living for centuries….Biblical Writ as in secrets of the Biblicum needs very particular lenses for their study.
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That interview will be live with Pat Buckley in his home.
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I hope it’s as incisive as your report on Thurles. Since it’s going to be live I’d suggest a moderator.
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or make sure you switch of the ability to allow comments.
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Pat have you been to Belgium lately?
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RTE Investigates featured last night Catriona Carey, sister of hurler DJ Carey – all family closely linked to Church & GAA in Kilkenny.
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9.24: In what way are they related to the Church? Your reference suggests something sinister. What are you speaking about? What is the level and nature of their “church” involvement? You ought to be very careful…
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Robert at 10.02: Whow, Whow, whow…When this monastery flourishes as you prayed it will just a day or two ago with great certainty and hope, will you be back on this blog or another one apologising for your behaviour now? I have now lost any trust I had in you. You are not a good judge or as wise as you thought. How will you explain the healing to your daughter? I lost my trust in Silverstream in the last 2 years, despite initially having great admiration for the foundation. But your volte face is nauseating.
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“How will you explain the healing to your daughter?”
I cannot speak for Robert, but how about God through the intercession of the Venerable Mother Mectilde de Bar?
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10 33: Robert attributed it to Dom Kirby. I pray to many saints…Let Robert tell us how he’ll explain it..Perhaps Dom Kirby is holy in his broken way!! Doesn’t God visit our lives through strange people sometimes??
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Alan Dukes former Minister for Justice was critical of Garda investigation into unresolved murder of Fr Niall Molloy in the home of horse trainers – the Flynn family.
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The Report was also very critical of Fr Duignan the Parish Priest who was described as being “legalled up to the hilt” & claimed “professional privilege” not to disclose his conversations with Mr Flynn after the death of Fr Molloy. The Garda also stated that Fr Duignan immediately queried on the night if the parish/church “could be left out of it”. Garda interviewed noted there was no empathy for deceased priest from his parish priest, the church comes first.
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Poor elderly brother and sister in Cork that were broken into. Heart wrenching interview on Prime Time. Why all the sudden attacks on elderly people
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UEFA Champions League on RTE 2. Great match PSG 1 – 0 Real Madrid
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Yes, Fr – we hear your parishioners need to talk to God first to schedule when he takes them & not to clash with your tv & social calendar.
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Another lib priest does thousands of invalid baptisms by replacing the words of the formula with his own version. When will such priests learn that the liturgy does not belong to them?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10511635/Phoenix-Catholic-priest-forced-resign-incorrectly-performed-THOUSANDS-baptisms.html?ito=email_share_article-top
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Pat any update on the Kevin Connolly case 🫂
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No update presently.
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Time will expose the truth for Fr Kevin Connolly. The truth will set Kevin Connolly free even if the truth is revolting 👥
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Aw stop wil ye, poor victims of a wee system…
Even I’m embarrassed….
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