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WHY BISHOPS ARE TOLERATING AND COVERING UP CORUPTION IN THE CHURCH.

I am going to say something now that will cause cynical clerics and others to mock me and laugh at me.

The primary reason there is corruption and filth in the Church is because Satan is in control of many cardinals, bishops, priests and religious!

What other PRIMARY reason could these be for:

1. Priests having sex on altars?

2. Priests involved in the dark occult?

3. Priests having ravenous sex in saunas?

4. Priests abusing children and adults?

5. Priests not believing or praying?

6. Abbots and monks turning monasteries into houses of debauchery?

7. Abbots having anal sex in monasteries with priests and others on retreats.

8. Priests publishing semi naked pictures of themselves with clerical collars hanging from their erect penises?

Sadly the new Roman Empire, which is the Church, is far more debauched than the original empire.

And here I distinguish between the Body of Christ and the human institution.

I think it was Pope Paul VI who said: “The smoke of Satan has entered the Church”.

When I was growing up the Devil was all we ever heard about.

Now he is never mentioned.

Satan does his best work when people are unaware of him.

Of course there ate secondary reasons gor vorruption and cover up.

Human weakness.

Human badness.

Passing of money from hand to hand.

Blackmail.

Being compromised.

But is all begins with Old Nick and the abandonment of faith and prayer.

ROBERT NUGENT ON SILVETSTREAM:

225 replies on “WHY BISHOPS ARE TOLERATING AND COVERING UP CORUPTION IN THE CHURCH.”

Pat,
We criticise the church because not so long ago, the only sin it appeared to be concerned with was sexual sin.
You have replicated that fixation here. Apart from the mention of prayer everything else is of a sexual nature. Perhaps that’s because rhetoric laden with sex is more likely to retain the interest of your readers and commenters.
In reality, sexual sins are not very serious.
Are there other areas of moral theology which interest you? (Let’s have a moratorium on sexual subjects for Lent.)
M

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I don’t believe that sex is always or often a sin.

My concern with priests is not sex, but the living of the double life, even cynically.

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I would concur, many of the posters on this blog have a unhealthy and sexually immature obsession with sex, and the blog could do with a break from it. People and our faith are much more than that.

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10:57 – Pat yes, but it’s not some stable loving life long mono partnerships these guys are having that’s causing all the bother, all the worst destructive offenders, predators and abusers have no interest in any of that, nor do the sexual trolls that you seem hell bent on facilitating and encouraging here to the utter determent of your good work. I don’t get your rationale or logic here. You must know it’s a problem.

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I agree. People in stable mono relationships are not causing the problems.

It is the various Jack the Lads who are doing all the harm – and laughing at the rest if us.

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We all do know that by now…
Apart of you Roman catholic priests bishops and Cardinals….
The world is hunting the crime in Vatican down!!! The silence be broken!!!

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Won’t even read the piece… headline says enough… On your wage and position would you upset the apple cart… Same as politicians.. Give them minimum wage, they might actually do something. If all else fails, teach lol

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11:08 Some of them do teach & they all closely connected to schools – it’s their last bastion of Control & data on children.

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I am extremely thankful for your coverage of this important topic Pat. I speak to you as someone who is living proof of clerical abuse of position, authority and status towards me. And let me tell you I still relive it frequently.
It is not ancient, in fact the details would shock people across the North today. To this end, I think it prudent to not play the game, but to look to those who are working for justice, like you Pat.
I also reflect upon telling a ‘professional’ about my unsettling experience which he refused to believe; following it by driving past the parochial house door and asking me if I wanted to go in for seconds while laughing. There is much more he said but I can’t say it publically.
This individual is tasked with what we might can pastoral care also, which intensifies the feeling of disgust in my stomach all the more.
There is a grave injustice in our entire Catholic community Pat. Professionals are not who they say they are. Too closely aligned with the wrong kind of priest. But time is a gift and patience is something even greater. Timing is everything. I do intend to publically tell my story.

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11:34 Professionals aligned to the Church whether they be Counsellors, teachers or others are going to put the interests of their paymaster Church first & you will be discredited on any reports that they write. Do not underestimate the damage that priests and their associates will execute to protect their own priorities.

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Shocking but not surprising 11:34pm, some of these so called “Therapists” at €100 per hour are every bit as warped, manipulating, controlling and psychologically damaging as the abusers. It’s a predators paradise out there.

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I remember 1985 the year of the “moving statues ” when Our Lady was said to be appearing to children at the grotto near Mount Melleray. One of the messages she was reported to have shared with them was that the world needs to change and turn to prayer and if this doesn’t happen the Devil will take over the church in 10 years. At the time I thought it was nonsence but it stuck in my head and I’ve often wondered……

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Agree Pat, there is a definitely a large demonic element to all this, at the very least oppression etc. Separate to that I did not think possessions existed in this day and age until I personally witnessed one forced to manifest in that poor possessed person. I’ll never forget it as long as I live, that inhuman sound, with every trace of goodness totally removed, the most frightening and disturbing thing I’ve experienced. Have you come across any possessions in your time Pat?
“Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil; May God rebuke him, we humbly pray; And do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls. Amen.”
Off topic, but typical of the “interesting” times we live in, Patrick Coffin one of the former hosts of Catholic Answers has just come out to state why he now believes Pope Francis is an Anti-Pope and Pope Benedict is still the true Pope. (Patrick Coffin is not a trad by the way, if anything he’s been anti Trad). I don’t agree with his hypothesis , but it’s a sign of the strange times none the less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sva3vv7dASw

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“I’ll never forget it as long as I live, that inhuman sound, with every trace of goodness totally removed, the most frightening and disturbing thing I’ve experienced. Have you come across any possessions in your time Pat? Oh, you’ve met Canon Paul Nener we take it then?

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I wish the experience you make light off could be joked away, for those that were there and the person involved, I can assure you it was anything but. Not your fault, I had to witness it myself to fully believe it and would have made similar style jokes in the past.

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+Pat: With all respect to your right to your opinions, I have to say that belief in the “devil” as a physical reality, entity, or agent, is as similarly misplaced as a belief in any God.
MMM

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I have seen you acting like a demoniac @8.31am on You Tube. Do you actually realise how scary you come across. Spooky!!

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Yeah. Did you also see me say over and over again to Discern !! I never asked people to listen to Me, I’m asking people to discern and follow the constant teaching of the catholic church. I could be mad, Christ isn’t. So you discern, no need to watch my videos. Church is big and their are more expert spiritual advisers than me, a layman and failed seminarian.

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I’m really looking forward to the interview with the victims of Dom K

Just curious. The 4 men who came forward on Pat’s blog two days ago did not want to be identified for fear of reprisals. Will you be interviewing them? They could remain anonymous but it would be good to hear their experiences, from the horses mouth so to speak.

Or, have you identified other abuse victims? Might Dom A be one of the interviewees since you are now in contact with him.

I hope Dom A has more sense than let himself be interviewed especially if he’s trying to seek reconciliation but I don’t deny it would be interesting to hear his story.

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Exactly. On this I agree with RN. For most of my life I thought the demonic was inactive / non existent in this world. Until I experienced otherwise, which turned my world view upside down. I don’t speak of it, except to the other people who were there, because unless you see it yourself no one believes you. When you see it you will know it, believe me. Demons do not like to reveal themselves unless forced, because when they do, it proves God’s existence as much as the demonic.

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Perfectly true. 99.9% of the time Satan gets people to do his work. Occasionally he will come himself.

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@ Asmodeus, it won’t be live , I have to pre record it. (Legal advice received) . Can’t get equipment to do it live as men don’’t all live in Ireland.

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If you went to Mass, you’d see them in action – the priests & their little Hitlers handing out water & wine & the lay business managers in the background for the accounts & legals. It’s a business, God was pushed out a long time ago. People can see that & are rightfully wary.

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MMM, I did not say that Satan was a “physical” reality. In my faith I believe that both God and Satan are spiritual realities, God being the personification of Good and Satan the personification of Evil. And I also believe that both God and Satan can sometimes take on physical attributes.

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+Pat: by intentionally using the word “agent” at 12.22 above I was referring to an entity, spiritual or material, who/which activates, causes, or induces an activity or action.
I continue to think that all belief that such an agent as the “devil”, or “God” actually exists and “causes” action/s is misguided.
The sincere belief in, and concept of both, are evolved human characteristics which often induce behaviours in keeping with perceptions of the attributes or properties of these ‘imagined’ entities.
MMM

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I totally agree with you, Bishop Pat. And I believe the devil shows his true face upon being exposed.
Shocking, but not surprising.

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This view is common and understandable, but speaking from experience, you’re in for very big shock in the future is all I can say.

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7.33, what has evolved is: i – a neutral (probable) ability to simply sense these matters when OR if a time comes (where 10.10 and the other 10.12 are at); ii – and all important the “ability” of any power misusers to imply this as a warped excuse which I think was the force of your 12.22 indirectly reflecting back the false stance they project. Some of us are adding to reasons to call out those who claim to finesse their betrayal on grounds of “spiritual ontology” that is supposed to work to their convenience (disproving them on their own terms in the sight of their followers). Some people aren’t just ridiculous, they are doing the world harm with their “oh look, I’m very nearly – i.e not nearly – as degenerate as thou” attitude. Our alertness to ii is what stands our consciences in good stead. I think the shock will not be a nasty one to you.

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@10:12: “speaking from experience….”
Could you kindly explain in full what this means?
Surely not that you’ve ‘returned from the future (death???!), and thus have THAT experience?
Yes I say this mockingly, for ‘beliefs ‘ such as you seem to suggest surely show the pernicious nature and force of the indoctrination processes that embed such nonsensical beliefs.
MMM

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Francis told the Italian Episcopal Conference that gay men should not be admitted to seminaries and he expressed concern that their formation was entrusted to gay priests. He added that homosexuality in the priesthood was one of his three worries about the Italian church.
And before someone inanely says this is trash because it’s on Fr Z’s blog, he’s providing a translation of an article in La Stampa, to which he provides a link.
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2018/05/pope-francis-on-homosexual-seminarians-this-bridge-is-closed/
Of the two heterosexual seminarians in Maynooth, one has ‘bi-curious’ on his Grindr profile lol. Should we revise the number down to one?

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There is a whole chapter in Martels book on the Italian Bishops Conference which he asserts is predominantly if not entirely homosexual.

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I doubt the memo will reach Oscott a gay enclave if ever there was one and credit where credit is due and produced some stellar child abusers – an enclave for homosexuals, a factory for paedophiles – a safe and caring place for any young man and it’s been like this for years.

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Oscott / Gaycott, Allen Hall / Alice Hall etc. really do need to clean up their act. If someone were to do an audit over, say, the last ten years of seminarians who have become priests from these places, and worked out where they are now, what trouble some of them have been in, who is in prison or has been prosecuted etc., then I think the figures will be very revealing as to what kind of men these places train and produce, what their predilections are, and how they behave once ordained. If nothing else, the figures for those who have gone MIA or left or disappeared at the 5 year point would be very interesting. All of this suggests that there is something wrong with the selection of seminarians, definitely something askew with the formation they receive, and probably even wrong with bringing these young men in the first place in to a church and clerical culture that is itself dysfunctional and dangerous to the wellbeing of these men and to those they minister to once they have been mis-formed by these places. There are very serious questions to answer.

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@1124- better an essay than some of the cretinous stuff that is posted on this blog, badly written and criminally spelled.

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Addendum to 8.43
Two past rectors now Bishops iin the bleak Easterrn regions of England.now bleaker by their presence

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Pope Francis is disingenuous he knows the seminaries and priesthood is gay and many practicing homosexuals – he’s an arch Peronist – his yes is maybe, perhaps and his no is perhaps and maybe. Smoke and mirrors – the Vatican is gay village he knows that only too well.
Straight men stay well clear of gay professions!!

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I watched Robert’s video, which was powerful. I misjudged him, for which I apologise; he clearly does want to see a cleansing of the priesthood, transparency and accountability.

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There is a tendency within the priesthood which leans towards the occult in the form of freemasonry and satanism – the Black Mass is an occult practice and I suspect there are clergy who indulge – the priesthood is itself a secret society after all – it has all the trappings – codes, pontifical secrets, vows, ceremony, brotherhood, hierarchy and homosexuality – truly the devils playground!

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Check out P2 an occult and Masonic group many members were or are Cardinals – Villot was Freemason as was Marckinkus who ordained Elsie.
The devil masquerades as an angel of light.

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There is currently a Satanic group in Kildare who meetings are attended by some priests.

I told Bishop Nulty about it and he didn’t want to know.

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Pat, how could these men so willingly embrace evil? One this is weakness, but to actively embrace the demonic I struggle to understand these men. I know it happened, do the men not know they will be eternally lost?

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I don’t think they set out intentionally to embrace evil. But they are slowly introduced to seeing other people as objects and then it goes from bad to worse. The road to virtue is a slow process. So is the road to evil.

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RN 10:01 : Very often the demonic is disguised in the new age stuff, so it looks benign and some of them get drawn in that way. Also any sexual promiscuity in a Priest is going to let the demonic in and down it goes from there.

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Nulty has a headcount problem – if he challenges priests & they leave, he has less priests for parishes – priests do as they please now unless it’s something very public & people are not shocked any more after all that’s been reported. The lay replacements are even more dangerous than the priests so that it really for most mass goers. Bishop is just papering & plastering the cracks whilst it’s on his watch.

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11:15am – This disastrous cowardly “keep it open at all costs” strategy and attitude by Bishops that has left us in the mess we are in. A local Church or otherwise should be closed up rather than let a bad Priest / Religious / Laity there run riot and doing untold damage spiritually, physically and mentally to others.

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9.27am: But Pat, you said you have known and know of priests…Which is it? Do you personally know priests who partake in the occult and did you, have you reprimanded them?

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The fantasists who get off on talking about gay sex on this blog are out in force today again. Their right hands will be busy today. They probably get off on the occult and sex parties also, with Pat included. @9.25am proves my point wanting Pat to give more juicy details. Your blog Pat is a perv’s paradise getting off on talking and fantasising about gay sex all the time. You encourage it and it’s my opinion you get off on it too Pat.

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One of my main concerns is the homosexualisation of the priesthood.

I have more authentic ways of “getting off” as you call.it.

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I see little that would titillate those gay fantasist this morning. Are we reading the same blog? if you feel that Pat panders to the gay fantasists – why do you keep revisiting? – surely you can find other blogs.

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Like the Church of England tried and now it’s emptier than ever?
The latest is replacing statues of the English Saints in English Churches because they were “too white”. (The irony of judging “white” Christians by skin colour is lost on them). The COE’s Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Webly, their most senior Bishop has stated he doubts God exists.

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Many clergy don’t believe in God let alone the devil – for many it’s a job and not a vocation and most would be unemployable in any other walk of life and the devil makes play for idle hands.

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Satanism and the occult is largely about materialism. Power and wealth. Do not trust the priests who talk about 1000 thread Egyptian cotton sheets, Waterford Crystal and where they’re going for this year’s holiday. Be prepared to trust the man who lives simply (not to be mistaken for the man who lives like a slob, never washing and eating like a hungry dog).

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7:35 Perceptive. It’s also about “pleasure” which always racks up it’s own bill.

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9.27pm

Amazing – I doubt the food people of Kiildare are aware of their clergies nocturnal habits and seemingly not just gay saunas.

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If God is the truth which will set us free and Satan is the father of all lies who spends all his time trying to deflect us from God, Bishop Pat has a point. No priest I know ever tells the truth. They deflect questions and withhold information.

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10:05 they also specialise in character assassination to protect their own interests. Always have done. My grandmother was educated by nuns, in winter the wealthier children were allowed to sit nearest the fire and the children from their orphanage were right at the back in the freezing cold. The priests read out the monies given from the altar. Not much has changed. Their actions if not their words confirm their allegiances these days.

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Marcelo, what you despise and loathe you secretly adore. I fear it is neither myself or Bishop Pat who ‘get off’ on such things but yourself.
By the way Mattel documents and verifies gay chem sex parties in the Vatican and Vatican clergy being regular clients of gay prostitutes who tarry their trade outside Romes train station – oh and are you across the Vatican’s ownership of Europa Multi Gym Italy’s largest gay sauna – where a number of Cardinals live.
Not salacious tittle tattle dear boy but verifiable fact.

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10.12: The original name of Marcelo is not the nonsense one at 10.00am. That pervert is not the original Marcelo. This 10.00 pervert is sickening. I will therefore find a new name – Anonymous. Whoever 10.00am is, seek professional psychosexual counselling.

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Peter Thatchell said once that the biggest gathering of gay men he’d ever attended wasn’t Gay Pride but 30,000 clergy gathered in St Peter’s Square for the Year of the Priest – go figure?!!

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10.15
Are you unemployed or underemployed? You must have posted 10 comments today, one worse than another and all of them off the wall. Did you have an unhappy Valentine’s day?

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Yeah sitting in a presbytery with nothing to do leads to resentful thoughts towards Bishop Buckley.

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Thatchell would pride himself on knowing that and cavorting with many of them, and revelling in the Church’s destruction and collapse from the inside, and unfortunately the antics detailed in this blog and the very off doctrinal statements in recent years by Cardinals and Bishops and the Pope confirm it.

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Thatchell also has strong links to the current “Minster of Children” and Green party in Ireland, and Thatchell is long time proponent of Man-Boy sex and lowering the age of consent to facilitate it. The Green party throughout Europe, particularly in Germany (to which the rest of the EU dance to their tune) have a long history of advocating for the legalisation of “consensual” paedophilia.

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another cowardly smear from the usual sources. This claim was comprehensively disproven -https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/cowardly-smear-of-childrens-minister-is-part-of-witch-hunt-says-tatchell-39360517.html

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11:08 that’s why the Irish RCC gets away with so much & gets all that State co-operation even when things are discovered & publicised.

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Actually the people who have done most to promote and support child abusers in Ireland are the bishops and religious superiors. If you don’t like this fact, take it up with them

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It wasn’t disproven at all, it was merely denied, yet Tatchell has been photographed with that Minster and other Irish politicians many times, and has attended many of their functions in Ireland.

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There is form, the previous “Minister of Children” in Ireland, the American called Zappone, didn’t look like someone involved in the occult/new age at all. (not)

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MR NUGENT I am one of the victims of Dom Kirby who spoke to Bishop Pat through another priest. You have not contacted me for an interview and if you did I would refuse. Why are you claiming you will be interviewing me on Friday when you will not. By making this claim you are abusing me all over again.

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Perhaps – Robert has other victims – I asked him about this earlier but although he responded he didn’t answer the question about the victims.

Sorry to hear that you feel threatened by this.

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My Apologies, the interview is moved until the legal sides are 100% cleared. I don’t want to victimise anymore. I would just ask if anyone feels they are suffering to understand they have help. Last thing I want to do is more harm. Sometimes it takes years for people to realise what happened to them was not right. What happened to Dom Benedict was not right. What happened to you was not right. The church would love for all this to go away. But if it’s not addressed some other charismatic spark will do the exact same. Dom Mark was using men who were weak, who had past problems and WEAPONISED those men for his own means. WITHOUT transparency, openness and dialogue. Which is why it took Dom Benedict to understand he was a victim. He was literally driven mad in that monastery by a very very sophisticated system of SECRET control. So to be clear I don’t want anyone victimised. Just meditate out on the experience of what happened. There will be a victim with the victims. But please know irrespective of any past problems, Silverstream had no right to weaponise men’s weaknesses TO CONTROL THEM!!!!

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Robert , once again we have you making claims without checking your facts before hand. What’s the word you repeat regularly. Oh yes, discernment, discernment, discernment. Or in your case – a distinct lack of discernment.

Wouldn’t it have been more prudent to have checked the legalities beforehand and sought the permission or at least forewarned one of the victims.

I still look forward to seeing this interview whenever all the legalities and technicalities are sorted.

Asmodeus x

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RN like us all is not perfect, I think it’s time he was given a break and a little bit of time and leeway by some of the commentators on here, from what I can see Robert wears his heart on his sleeve, and gets emotional, yes that does not endear him to everyone and that type of personality can be irritating to some, but so can all of our different personalities to others from time to time. From what I can see the man seems to be trying his very hardest to do something, while still holding down a full time job and looking after a family, that’s a lot more than 99.99% of the armchair critics on here are doing, including myself. Before we cast stones at RN, what are any of us trying to do? Better to try and perhaps fail than never to try at all. Also any success worth having takes many trial and error failures beforehand and perseverance.

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10.55: Robert, what psychological, psychiatric, psychotherapy or counselling qualifications have you to “professionally” help hurt and abused people? We are talking about very serious issues when we talk about any kind of abuse. To state that you will interview victims in a live stream is irresponsible and could potentially cause further damage, hurt and abuse. You claim you are not a journalist which is also a disadvantage. Many of your comments thus far are misleading, full of unfulfillable promises (Thurles Report) and contradictory. I believe you are sincere in seeking justice for Dom Benedict, even though you contributed to his leaving the monastery! Your zeal now is questionably extraordinary. I am disappointed that you have turned yourself completely against Silverstream. I believe you have abandoned them to the wolves, regrettably. I am very concerned about the spiritual and psychological hurt being inflicted on them at a time when they need the assurance of our prayers. I am no longer a supporter of this monastery as I once was but I do not support your destructive judgment on the monks. Only a few days ago you excoriated anyone who said anything against Dom Kirby and the monastery, expressing your confident hope that the monastery would grow and flourish…Now, you are jumping out of your you tube screen in a very concerning manner. Robert, I hope you seek legal advice before you promote the “live stream” interviews. You should surely know the very concept is fraught with all kinds of legalities for you, victims and any potential lawsuit. I’m sure Pat will confirm this for you. Also, you may need to speak with professional therapists first for professional advice. I believe you have so much to offer both in prayer and spirituality and these may be your best gift to offer any victim. Where abuse is concerned, you have a moral and civic duty to go to relevant authorities before any interviews. A victim today has spoken about your approach and you must listen. You are in my prayers that you will be wisely discerning – a quality you ask of all of us. And, how necessary it is now!! Thank you

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I fairness to Robert he has filly admitted his role in the ousting and vilification of Dom Benedict.

He is now trying to put that. Let him do that.

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10.41: Your brave comment is every reason why RN needs to get professional advice before he ventures into the unfamiliar territory of live interviews. That RN never thought about the potential for reharming and retraumatising any victim/survivor in this approach is incredulous. It’s a recipe for unacceptable reabusing. Robert, please seek advice. And do proper reflection before your proclamations and promises. Perhaps a few days standing back in prayer might be a good idea.

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Point taken Martin. I haven’t mentioned any of the names of any of the victims. Last thing I want is to hurt people. But I also can’t allow for victims to suffer, I allows Dom Benedict to suffer for 2 years because of the Actions I took when Silverstream KNEW more that I did. Not only have Silverstream allowed Dom Benedict to suffer, they also refused to engage with me. Until they sent me an email which I can’t publish. This has to end.

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BDSM Rituals and a broken wrist in Maynooth.

The good people of Kerry paid for M’s broken wrist. H A broke it when M was lying but naked in the Cana room. Drunken ritual led by B.

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1.11: Robert: I am very confused about your changing attitudes in short spaces of time. Your use of two names for your comments is disconcerting. Why? I really believe that you should focus your attention on abuses closer to home…..Tell us; has Dom Benedict responded to you in any way? Dom Kirby seems to have cut links with you? Can you appreciate why he might do this? Perhaps you’re devoid of the mercy you ask all of us to have..Because you were told Silverstream were unhappy with your interference, you became a apocalyptic with rage, to the point I was worried about you. Does Dom Benedict know of your efforts?

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RN has been willing to clearly identify himself whatever name he uses which is more than can be said for his critics.

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Lesbians are to my tactile to be priests, there were two at breakfast this morning who were all over each other and feeding each other. This is not appropriate behaviour for Priesthood.

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Pat you’ve highlighted very important spiritual issues in today’s blog. Yes wrongdoing should continue to be exposed by the blog, it’s an important service for the Church, but the blog also could do with also focusing more on spiritual and faith matters and less controlled and derailed by trolling sexual commentary. IMHO think that would be more uplifting and hopeful for everyone to have that balance. God Bless.

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I think there is a simpler explanation for the corruption and cover up, and it’s the only thing which explains everything including why the entire hierarchy were happy to cover up crime…. The church is a criminal organization and the religion bit is a front. If you get caught up in religious explanations for the church’s behaviour you are still dealing with the front and have essentially been taken in. The church requires this front to cover up its real activities which are of course all about money, sex and power.
This is the only explanation for clergy who don’t believe the religion, laundering charitable donations, covering up criminal sex, etc, on an international level.

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11:41 RCC is a mafia of Freemasons totally addicted to money, sex & power. They’ve always fawned over the moneybags families and that hasn’t changed, got worse if anything with less ordinary people going to mass. You hear some say they couldn’t even afford to go every week, sometimes basket passed about up to 3 times for different collections.

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Some people are obsessed with collections on this blog as well as sex. If I don’t feel like putting anything into the basket and I feel the basic expenses like light, heat and maintenance are covered, I often don’t. Or at the times I could not afford to I didn’t. No one in all the years I’ve attended Masses all over cares if I do or not.

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11:51 Freemasonry, like Vatican 2 and gay priests, is a red herring. The church has always been loud in its condemnation of freemasonry, which suggests it is in opposition to the church. Assuming the church is a criminal organization, it’s just condemning someone in opposition to it.
That’s how criminal gangs work.

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Stupid comment from a clearly stupid troll: baskets haven’t been “passed about” for over two years. Buffoon.

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12:03 that is not accurate as confirmed by all parish newsletters confirming financial matters & requirements every week.

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1:56 it’s totally accurate, no newsletter I’ve ever read makes any donation compulsory. If I’m sitting in a hall availing of the heating, lighting and maintenance I don’t mind chipping in, if you do, peel your orange in your pocket, you’ll still be able to avail of everyone else’s donation. The one’s that whinge most about any collection are the ones that never have to give a penny and never will. If it’s not sex it’s money on the brain of trolls.

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11.51am I don’t know what Church, if any, you go to but in our Churches there has been no basket collections since Covid 19 began in March, 2020 so get your facts right before printing such nonsense.

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Louise 6pm you’re right, they can’t even do trolling well, ROFL as they like to say

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Lets look at the lives of priests and religious, just generally, even the ones that conduct themselves ethically. Do they represent an ideal you desire to aspire to? Do they or the dogmatic inflexible mindset and behaviours attract you and inspire you to live your best life? I can only talk for myself, the answer would be no.
Why? Well as someone who works in the community I from first hand experience tell you that again and again the church has hurt, let down, disappointed and moreover restricted the vulnerable rather than liberated or supported them. Poor mental health is perpetuated by its rigidity and self serving behaviour.
Its not all black and white of course, the church has too done great work but it seems to have lost its way, its mission and ultimately peoples confidence to facilitate gods love. Thankfully people are beginning to challenge and ultimately think for themselves. The good news is I and the majority now endeavour to support people in that way. The church cannot control how we think anymore and perhaps this is its greatest threat! Change is occuring and we all know in say 5 or 10 years time we will most likely see with clarity the insanity that was imposed on us.
He came to set you free and have life to the full. Do just that! Think for yourself. Pray your way. Love.

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11.41am

Thanks for the correction on the spelling of Thatchell – I’m afraid my dyslexia and arthritis gets the better of me at times – always interesting to see how Pete raises so many hackles – me thinks ye overreact too much and over correct too much too – in doing so ye reveal too much.

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12.29pm
The church condemns freemasonry whilst at the same time many clergy are drawn to it and the occult – oldest trick in the book – not a red herring more on the money me thinks.

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The Cathbots get extremely irritated on here if money is mentioned, a true “Reflection” of their real priorities.

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12.47: Pat, thank you for printing my comment. I dint wish to denigrate in any way the goodness of Robert as is evidenced in some off his videos. A person of great faith and spirituality. However, I think he needs to be very careful in many ways re: proposed live interviews and use of information he may receiving. Hurt and abuse can be so easily revisited on victims.

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Things will improve for the RCC when it makes peace with its victims by putting right the wrongs done to them. Until then, all they appear to do is engage in daily demonstrations of a toxic and vicious defence of the indefensible across the board.

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10:57am – Bishop Pat – there is hypocrisy across the board in all aspects – it seems to be an essential membership requisite in church communities.

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A lot of people think morality applies to other people, and that they are a special case / exception. It’s always about looking at what others are doing instead of sorting out ourselves. Many think they can invent their own reality/version as some kind of work around.
“What is truth” mused Pilot, when the incarnation of the truth was standing right in front of him. Christ was crucified for being the truth.

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1.51: I recall back in the 70’s a Northern Ireland woman forever saying: There is so much bad in the best of us and so much good in the worst of us that it ill behoves any of us to speak ill of another. She disliked the easy judgments made about others and had a passion for human decency. She was also a great Christian. I often think of her saying when tempted to crucify others for their sins and failings. Maybe we are too merciless at times. God’s graces grow through kindness and mercy. Psychologically, when we are constantly told the “bad” we are, we rarely change..Spiritually, we also need God’s consolation. Mercy.

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3:37 a wise lady, If we want the world and others to be better, we need to start with ourselves.

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We are all sinners but we don’t put ourselves on pedestals Or make a career out of making life unpleasant for others like The RCC combination of Power & high levels of hypocrisy that seems to be the order of the day every day unfortunately. There needs to be choice & whilst church running schools, for example, that won’t happen.

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There is an obsession with minimising scandal. Those who have shown themselves capable of minimising scandal appear to be rewarded. Those exposing scandal seem to have the most trivial matter or fabricated matter used against them. A culture of minimising scandal is allowing moral hypocrisy to flourish.

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4.30: There is choice in education. Are you aware of surveys carried out about school patronage? To and read them for accurate facts. Don’t peddle lies and it would help if you did a little research before making stupid comments…The vast, vast majority of priests today do not make life unpleasant for people. That’s a big lie.

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The Book of Gomorrah, by St. Peter Damian(1007-1072) “an eloquent and impassioned denunciation of a plague of homosexuality among the Catholic clergy during the 11th century.” – Thanks 1:53pm

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I’m not often lost for words…….but Robert just informed us on video that he bought 300 copies of. IN SINU JESUS. I rest my case…

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Obviously in your book it’s not possible to be taken in then realize you were wrong. Remarkably stupid.

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It’s not the fact that he bought IN SINU JESU that fascinated me but the fact that he bought 300. BTW I actually have it myself on Kindle

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4:13, as gifts and fundraising for Silverstream perhaps? for educational donation to others perhaps schools etc. So what? It’s not that hard to imagine for someone as committed as RN who actually tries his best to do something for others as opposed to his anonymous critics.

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4.13 et al, from a comment to one of RN’s longer videos:
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William O’Reilly
William O’Reilly
3 days ago
In Sinu Jesu, Father Mark Kirby claims that Jesus told him the love of his priests gives him a level of consolation that is categorically greater than the love he receives from the laity. “There is a consolation that only My priests sojourning on earth, in the valley of the shadow of death, can offer Me. Only those who live for the altar and from the altar can give Me the consoling and adoring love that delivers Me from the sorrow that constrains My Sacred Heart” (p. 156).
Such clerical exceptionalism is astonishing even when conveyed by a traditionalist; it is simply not true, and the writings of Catholic tradition do not uphold it but rather contradict it.
The constant tradition of the Church proclaims that union with Christ is attained through the virtues of faith, hope, and love; that, of these, the greatest is love (1 Cor 13:13); and that the layperson is called to love Christ in exactly the same manner as the priest.
unquote
Most Romans misread when they get to Jesus’ mum (whom WOR cites next) because, funnily, she was not their high priestess after all, but laity.

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3.48: The confusions and contradictions – hypocrisy perhaps – of Robert continue to unfold. What’s the rational explanation if purchasing 300 copies by a “mystic” now proclaimed a fraud by Robert? The drama confounds….

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I really truly love and believe my faith. I was deluded by that man. Simple as. Such is life. Not just me, many others were buying this book by the box. Silverstream could have just been honest and transparent. Instead they allowed a narrative to develop which became too big and now it’s all come undone. Such is life. We March on. FYI I didn’t get any direction from Silverstream, my money.

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yes 6:02 pm, and furthermore … this is important … Kirby was not only those things (charismatic, dynamic, inspiring trust) but he came with the official approbation, first, of the Diocese of Tulsa, and then of the Diocese of Meath.

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And I gave them a collection of Vatican memorabilia worth over 2000 euros. Such is life. There are some good men in the monastery. I don’t mind supporting the Church I just wished there was honesty and transparency. Such is life.

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5.13 and 5.15: Such is life. Pat if any priest saud “such us life” in a blase way like this in relation to their involvement with any crazy outfits where there was/is abuse, there would be war against him. Why are you not challenging Robert? We all make errors and mistakes of judgments but priests are not tolerated by you. Just curious. I am amazed now by the frequency of Robert’s comments.

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Anyone who has given to Silverstream in the past, including Robert, should demand a full refund of their money.
Those in Europe must request a refund from the prior, Dom Elijah Carroll, for a refund (see link below):
https://www.cenacleosb.org/contact
Those in the USA must contact Deacon Greg Stice of The Monastery of Our Lady of the Cenacle Foundation in Mounds, Oklahoma:
dcn.stice@gmail.com
If you do not get a response, they must write to the Diocese of Meath if you are in the EU; if you are in the States and do not get a response, you must write to the Diocese of Tulsa.

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An no. Guys. Those men who went to Silverstream went in good faith. I don’t want anything back, but the honest truth. Life is easier when people are just open and transparent. Dom Benedict went in good faith. But there was no team of men to help. It takes a community to form a monk, not one illuminated man who has a direct number to God. I would prefer the Monastery settle with Dom Benedict and move on. Had they done this 2 years ago it would be over. They brought this on themselves.

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5:47, what are you doing apart from banging your keyboard in Mammy’s spare room little anon troll? RN can post here as much as Pat likes.

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I think the Lord should wipeout mankind and start again, but seeing as he’s already tried that with us, we need to get our act together.

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3.15pm

Is there a three times wrong and your out rule on the wrong spelling front?
Bishop Pat, the Moderator and Owner of the Blog, has never corrected a spelling mistake or grammatical error – his Moderating is light touch and fair – whereas the propensity for Gramma Nazism is a disease of the clerical class – Peter Tachell, or Peter Thatchell or Peter Tatchell isn’t the important bit what’s important is his observation about a gathering of clerics which he said was the biggest gathering of gay men he’d ever been to and hes been to Gay Proud many times.
Don’t strain out a gnat and swallow a camel.

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I’m not struggling with Dom Benedict’s testimony at all now. I’m absolutely livid I wasn’t told the full facts. HE WAS ABUSED AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY MANIPULATED! I’m furious how Dom Benedict has been treated by a man old enough to be his biological father.

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RN 6:08,
“4:20, you appear to be struggling with the testimony of Dom Benedict Andersen: Kirby was personally charismatic and dynamic, inspiring trust.”
This comment is directed at Anonymous 4:20!
Pax.

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5.11

A comment of excellence on an important matter. It should actually be a listed fallacy when fallacies were listed!

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+Pat Do you know anything of the history of the Benedictine Abbey in Rostrevor ?. It would be interesting to compare it with Silverstream. It seems to be a small congregation of 5 monks

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6.10. Have stayed many times at Rostrevor and enjoyed every visit. A beautiful location. The monks were a little aloof but the guest master was kind and the Abbot a very good confessor. Love the tranquil, peaceful setting. All I wanted was total peace and a space for prayer.

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One NI-born (the superior) and the rest are French. The local persuaded the French motherhouse to spend a fortune buying land and building a monastery on the promise of vocations. None came.

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They belong to the Olivetan congregation, which is unusual because the monks vow stability to the congregation rather than the individual monastery like other Benedictines. I think the founding monks came from Bec Abbey in France.
I have heard mixed things, both very good and some disastrous things about the Olivetans. Their monastery in London closed despite having been growing and built a new building about a decade before and one of the monks – who moved to Bec – went to prison for the usual.

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@6:51 pm Actually, they are not Oliventans. You should check your facts before pronouncing as if you know about the community. That is a misleading thing to do and very regrettable.

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7.59pm. Any article I have read about Rostrevor has stated that they are Olivetans. What is your information ?

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On 1 February 2019, with the accord of his General Council, Dom Diego M. Rosa, Abbot General of the Benedictine Congregation of Saint Mary of Monte Oliveto, elevated to the rank of Abbey two monasteries of the Olivetan Congregation: the Monastery of Saint Bernard Tolomei (Goseong, South Korea) and the Monastery of Holy Cross (Rostrevor, Northern Ireland).

https://www.osb.org/2019/03/19/olivetan-congregation-elevates-two-abbeys/

I wish those Olivetan Benedictines would stop going round making places that don’t belong to them into abbeys.
@7:59 let us into the secret, I’m dying to know what you think they are or are you just the normal troll sowing disinformation on this blog?

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The repeatedly desperate and hysterical hounding of RN by the same few keyboard trolls on this blog is interesting. RN is actually trying to do something unlike these cowardly anonymous trolls still living in their mother’s basement.

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It always makes me laugh when someone posts anonymously calling out other posters for posting anonymously – but I’m guessing YOU just don’t see any contradiction or hypocrisy in that position.
I have been one of the anonymous ‘trolls’ hounding Robert N.
You might find us desperate and hysterical. I find the comments directed at Robert to be well-founded and generally respectful. They are simply calling him out on his inconsistencies and his tendency to react and post videos without proper consideration and forethought.
I have no issue with Robert Nugent and I do not doubt his sincerity but I do question his abilities to challenge these issues single-handedly and I have issues with his sudden ‘road to Damascus’ turnaround in his attitude to +Pat Buckley, Dom A, Dom Kirby and Silverstream.
I haven’t always trolled him either – I have commended him on his public apology to Dom A. I have said I looked forward to his victims of Kirby interview and even offered helpful suggestions such as getting a moderator or suggesting he turn off live commenting on for this interview.
Robert has already called me a troll – (that’s the usual form of dismissal for posters who hit a raw nerve.) I have assured Robert that I am quite happy to continue challenging his position and if that makes me a troll, well then, I am a troll.
I like to think my challenges to Robert help him tighten up his thought process. Naive perhaps but genuinely meant.
Time to go – mother doesn’t like me spending too much time in the basement, She is afraid I’ll get up to no good on them there internets.
Asmodeus x

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I’m not saying he’s bad, a little bit mad maybe but not bad.

What am I doing? I believe, rightly or wrongly, that I’m contributing to the debate – challenging Robert and hoping he rises to the challenge.

I believe in two things.

1) we usually grow (not always)when we rise to a challenge in our thinking.

2.) Sometimes we discover that people we disagree with might actually have something to say thats worth hearing.

Now, have you’ve finished sniping from the anonymity of your mothers basement?

Oh, and for the record, I post regularly under the same name through WordPress – this means I can be contacted through WordPress – Not quite the same as being anonymous. 😉

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8:51, so when do you post using the name Anonymous and when do you post using the Anonymous identity Asmodeus?

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RN, you told us you would resolve the Silverstream situation this week. It’s now Wednesday becoming Thursday and there is absolutely no movement. On your video you said you are off to Mexico on the coming days. Have you given up on poor Benedict already.

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6:46 If you bothered to follow that actual posts RN has explained that. He does not work to your timetable and beck and call. Tell us what are you doing about it? A lot less that RN or anyone else that’s for sure.

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7.58 and 8.51: Asmodeus, I too feel Robert has to be challenged. I don’t doubt his genuineness or faith commitment nor do I doubt his desire for TRUTH and JUSTICE. However, he has shown lack of “discernnent” in his thought processes and methodology re: the Dom Kirby and Thurles isdues. Also, his videos are sometimes so impassioned and overstated with inconsistencies, he must give more time to thinking through with greater clarity his future approach. Does he now act for Pat on this blig and through his videos? What disturbed me most was the instant abandoning of Silverstream when the monastery said they didn’t wish to respond to him. Most others would not have expected the monastery to be subjected to more hurt and publicity. The awful enraged response from RN was very scary in a worrying way.

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6.49: The problem is that RN is promising big things. Thurles Report: not delivered. Live stream interviews: not possible and not properly thought through. Now he’s aware of legalities because of commenters observations. RN idolized D Kirby until a few days ago; now this man is a fraud. He denounced the entire Silverstream project as a vanity project having prayed a few days ago for its flourishing and proclaiming that with prayer, MERCY, KINDNESS and PATIENCE from all critics the monastery would grow. Yes, flourish and grow. Now, RN has thrown the entire community in from of a heavy rolling bus. What about the well being and health of the monks in Silverstream? Are these not relevant anymore? I am trying to visualuse them un their dusconfirt and hurt. I have encountered many broken families, often brought about by drugs, drink or domestic abuse and have sought to do my level best. When unable to continue, I got professional help by way of counselling, mediation or psychological support. I would hate if I ever took sides and caused further pain and certainly I would never make a definitive determination about any family’s future. I have huge respect for RN’s Catholic faith and his espoused Christian values which are laudable but the threads of his many inconsistencies are remarkable. Would Robert let us know if Dom Benedict accepts his intervention on his behalf. This is important information. My thesis is that if possible, the monks should be offered genuine spiritual support by our prayers for them. I am astonished that when the monks got annoyed as RN said, he then abandoned them like they were evil dinosaurs and went on what I can only describe as a you tube rampage which I found disturbing.

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Martin 7:24, some good points that RN can answer, but also some exaggerating, drama and hysterics of your own in there as well.

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8.25: Possibly a little hyperbole.. But when I go to listen ti music or watch sport on you tube these nights the RN videos pop up and being the curious person I am, I watch them, some with absolute incredulity, as of recent times. The changing narratives jar a little because, while we know where Pat stands, it is difficult to ascertain where RN is. However, some of Robert’s videos are very enlightening on prayer, faith and spirituality. His mission and outreach to men is wonderful and a very necessary Christian ministry. This is where I am at ine with him and also in his emphasising of God’s mercy, love and compassion – even for very broken sinners! For now I will pray for RN in his life and good work beyond monasteries and seminaries.

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It’s funny watching the trolls now getting trolled on here when they attempt to troll, and then reading their hysterical indigent reactions to being trolled, the irony, lol.

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Anon at 8.36: What are you if not a meaningless troll trolling other trolls for trolling. The irony of it! Troll la, troll la, troll la! 🤡🤡🤠🤠😠😠..Troll

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I don’t have the time or the crayons for this but I’ll give it a go.
The definition of a troll is a person who intentionally antagonizes others online by posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content.
NOW look at your post – do you see where I’m going with this?
Oh, and the word is indignant.
You are welcome
A.Trolll x

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Pat you may speak using ancient language but truth is eternal. Of course many in many churches have turned away from God either by choice or fate or circumstances. Moses went up the mountain and the “boys” lost the plot. Have we deleted Jesus to the realm of myth magic. God is eternal. We live in hope and prayer

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A good Lenten season will get people back on the straight and narrow. Fasting from unnecessary luxury items, donating the savings to charity and making time for prayer e.g. a chapter a day from the Gospels of Matthew (28) and Mark (16) to bring people on a 44 day journey from Ash Wednesday to Holy Thursday.

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Pat, can you consider doing a blog on Bible Translations. What are your favourite ones etc.?
Should make for a good discussion. Personally I don’t think there’s been a decent Catholic one since Ronald Knox’s in the 1940’s, which is symptomatic of the rot since.

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You’ve got a thing about saunas, Bp Pat. I used to go to them when I was much younger, mostly abroad, but I never felt “ravenous” for the cock or “demonic”. Of course, I wasn’t a priest.

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10:03 Veiled threats about RN’s family won’t work. He’s not afraid of your types and won’t be intimidated.

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10.03: It’s none of your business where Robert is off to. If Robert did say he was off to Mexico, he’s very foolish. Robert, this blog and your videos are not safe places to let stupid people, like this goon, know your personal business. God protect you, Robert.

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If the internet was around when Alex VI was pope Pat you’d have had a field day… guess not much changes over the centuries, even yet

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No criticisms of Alex VI, please. He’s a sucessor of Peter and loyalty to the Pope is tbe defining mark of a Catholic, according to Pat.

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We all do know that by now…
Apart of you Roman catholic priests bishops and Cardinals….
The world is hunting the crime in Vatican down!!! The silence be broken!!!

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Lol demons do you not think it’s human urges especially the more deprived, people are fucked up man especially the sick.. Reality, don’t need to be a priest, if people have demons, like you say, priests have the most… you sound my friend anyone with issues has demons, they upset the spirit bollox, cop on. People are humans and this world…

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One church follower asked me one day not only did I have demons but I am I the devil, and he was serious and literal , he goes to church everyday, dedicated nut… Speaks volumes about attitude..and those nuts…
The church with people in the wrong hands are doomed and good riddance

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