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THE ROMAN PRAETORIUM GUARD IS STILL PROTECTING SILVERSTREAM.

“THE DEVIL LOOKS AFTER HIS OWN”.

For several years now the whole Roman cohort has been protecting Silverstrem and Kirby

The Bishop of Meath has done NOTHING.

The Three Stoogie Investigation has done NOTHING.

Rome has done NOTHING.

The Nuncio has done NOTHING.

In the meantime, Kirby the abuser is still holed up in the monastery with all the young monks.

They have given the title: Very Reverend Father.

Elijah is only the prior in name only. But Elijah is Kirby’s puppet.

Kirby is still running Silverstream and still deforming young monks.

And the various authorities are tolerating it all.

Meanwhile Dom Benedict is being looked after by his family and at their expense and has little income and no access to the proper health care.

And Satan is laughing all the way to Hell.

Silverstream is a microcosm of the RCC.

Lies, cover up, supporting abusers, walking all over victims etc.

There is only one question I must ask:

“Do those who support the Roman Catholic Institution in any way not realise they are supporting Satan”?

NOEL TREANOR GOES TRAD

341 replies on “THE ROMAN PRAETORIUM GUARD IS STILL PROTECTING SILVERSTREAM.”

The fact Kirby the waffler (I heard one of his sermons and thought little of it, just fancily saying a load of nothing) is still front and centre on its website (https://www.cenacleosb.org/, little the second image on that slideshow), plus the clever form of words on how he’s in the clear, suggests nothing has happened, but I think there is a change. Robert Nugent was once a Kirby acolyte of sorts, but now sees the matter clearly. If Prof Kwasnieski (https://www.peterkwasniewski.com/) could be persuaded, Kirby might be sooner on the move. Yet my suspicion, perhaps wrong, is that Kirby has done whatever’s needed to be a made man in the Lavender Mafia, something hinted at by the composition of the last visitation. The views of some bloggers mightn’t matter in that case. My hope is that Silverstream could get a proper visitation. Hopefully, it results in the removal of Kirby and some changes which remove its cultish character. If it is incurably a Kirby cult, then likely it would have to be suppressed (or so heavily remade that it would be effectively a new foundation), but I hope and pray this monastery can be properly fixed. A focus on Adoration is no bad thing.

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Prof. Kwasniewski, judging by his Facebook quotation of a Martin Mosebach article a few days ago, seems to believe that only Novus Ordo priests abuse. Not a good sign.

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No longer have FB (but I suppose I can open a burner account). If he said that he is very unwise indeed. Carlos Urrutigoity is a very well known example, someone who created a whole traditional religious society for men like him, and even recreated it in Paraguay after it was suppressed.

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I cannot see how a pulpit is unpastoral. In some traditions it almost has the place of the altar for Catholics. It was sold directly by the Presbyterian community there to the ICKSP. I hope the fine carpentry is retained. It can be a very good thing to see the preacher clearly rather barely seeing him as might be usual now.

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Sorry, I should have been clearer in saying that I meant that, as a good bishop, he goes to all the churches in his diocese and to all parts of his flock, including those who attend the TLM. The word “pastoral” is one of the most abused and wrongly used words favoured by Spirit of VII people.

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Wasn’t it alleged Kirby had wads of bank notes stuffed in a drawer?
Speak of the devil… I’ve just been reading the Echo and look what somebody had hidden “under their mattress” – as they say. Who on earth would keep that sort of cash under a bed? Just one slip of the tongue and you’d have all sorts trying your front door handle and walking in from the street 🙄
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The question you ask of those who support the Roman Catholic Church could just as easily read – Do those who support Pat Buckley not realise they are supporting the devil.. Both are preposterous propositions. You could be “satan driven” with all the hurt, vengeance, vindictiveness and poison you’ve dished up. Sometimes Pat we fail to see our own evil and sin. And Yes, scripture is right – the devil prowls around like a roaring lion……in Larne as much as anywhere else.

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12:01

Where is covering up child sexual abuse, gaslighting, lying, re-traumatizing abuse survivors, etc…in the Gospels? This is how members of the hierarchy treat people who come forward to report abuse. Who is the Father of lies?

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9:12 Exactly, Well Said. Professional Liars & cover up merchants. That’s what makes them so vicious, interfering and over sensitive about absolutely everything even when it’s nothing to do with them – the price they pay on earth for a guilty conscience. Imagine how peaceful their lives would be if they practiced what they preach and resisted the temptation to victimise the vulnerable on a daily basis. We hope that the late Michael Deegan and all other victims of coverup and abuse eventually get to truly Rest in Peace. Amen.

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We must resist evil and evil things. Being a Christian is not supposed to be easy, and when we expose evil it will show its ugly face. No two bays about it!
The demonic – evil – is rife within the churches!
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St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen. .

O glorious prince St. Michael,
chief and commander of the heavenly hosts,
guardian of souls, vanquisher of rebel spirits,
servant in the house of the Divine King
and our admirable conductor,
you who shine with excellence
and superhuman virtue deliver us from all evil,
who turn to you with confidence
and enable us by your gracious protection
to serve God more and more faithfully every day. Amen

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Pat : “Do those who support the Roman Catholic Institution in any way not realise they are supporting Satan”?
No I don’t believe so, as I don’t look to fallen Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, and laypeople but to the many genuine Saints of the Church throughout history and what they did and believed, and the many ordinary good people that still exist in the Church today. “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” Matt 16:18 as I’m sure you know.
Pat can I ask why you believe the Saints and ordinary good people in the Church are in fact supporting Satan, and what you believe the solution is? Should they all leave and create independent Churches, or join another one, or just forget about the sacraments and any Church, and just to their own thing religion wise?

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Ah, selectively ignoring the cesspit and paying attention the…. other people who ignored the cesspit and got rewarded by the cesspit for doing so. Well, that’s how cults work so it’s to be expected.

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As far as I can see, the question was a serious question addressed to Pat, not a troll. Pat can you answer?

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11:32 Pat’s email address and phone number are on the contact page and if you ask questions on the blog other people will answer. But then you didn’t ask the question did you!

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12:45, thanks troll pretending to be Pat’s secretary, we’re not so easily dissuaded, and unlike you, we’ll let Pat speak for himself.

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“Do those who support the Roman Catholic Institution in any way not realise they are supporting Satan”?
No faithful Catholic wants to support Satan, so I’d like to see this answered as well Pat please, what Church do you advise Catholics to go to?

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10.08 this is a question I’ve been struggling with as well and reading around I have found a few different people’s strategies to it.
Some people do change denomination however it is difficult or impossible to find one with no history of abuse cover up. I’m thinking of a woman who was surprised to find a home in a Lutheran church and does support the individual church but not the denomination.
It is undoubtedly easier to move if you are not looking for Catholic order.
Some people become freelance and go to different churches.
There are now some very small groups meeting online only which don’t have a known history of abuse or are composed of people in exactly this position.
My own opinion is currently that it is reasonable to expect a church not to harm people and cover up crime and since it seems there isn’t one the Christian religion is unlikely to be true. All churches have had examples of crime being covered up but its international reach and the universal cover up by the hierarchy at the Pope’s behest, still makes the RC church the worst offender.

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The moral hypocrisy of a clergyman can cast a dark cloud over a parish, through no fault of the parishioners. The next appointment to the parish is often crucial to appease the angry faithful.
The faithful are a Christian community. It is Episcopal leaders who have moved errant clergymen around to minimise scandal and often putting other people in harms way.

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@10:28: I see the ‘casting around’ searching for ‘a church’ as the evolved human characteristic of seeking some meaningful explanation for our existence.
Each of the the plethora of churches has it’s own attractive format, from the extremes of the bible thumping ‘salvationists’ to more all embracing Unitarianism. And absorption/identification with like minded believers adds credence, …….no matter how obscure or ridiculous the church’s core belief.
But none of it provides validity or proof.
The “naked king’s invisible, yet wonderful, suit of clothes” syndrome provides a lesson.
MMM

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MMM
I’m 10:28. Yes totally agree. The people I have come across who have done this usually have retained a Christian faith and to varying degrees want to continue in a faith community. In the age of the internet I think this will become increasingly difficult since the only denominations which haven’t had sex scandals are tiny and new – their track record is essentially unestablished.
The absorption into the community you speak of becomes more difficult with successive bad experiences (or rather encountering the reality) if it doesn’t make people lose their remaining faith.
There is so much trauma around I think the next church movement will be increasing but never huge numbers of Christians who are essentially freelance and may never engage in community.
An interesting parallel would be solitary practitioners in modern pagan religions.

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I think many people don’t fully realise how evil the RC organisation is.

I believe that people should concentrate on having their own personal relationship with Jesus.

I have chosen not to be part of the RCC and have been ministering and worshipping as an independent catholic.

I would recommend independent Catholic Christianity.

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Genuine question Pat, How do you do that and how does it work, where does one get the sacraments? For me personally they are important.

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1:14pm Pat – Midlands, I’ll like something Catholic and weekly if you happen to know of anything suitable/safe in that region.

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Very important article online today on clerical behaviour in Italy; it asks ‘why is my abuser still working as a priest?’
I have in recent months become aware of one such incident in Northern Ireland, where the cleric has been protected at all costs.
The victim initially was not strong enough to talk; Pat I am sure you would advise this person on how to seek justice if I put you in contact?

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2:41am – also do not forget that clerics are hiding behind powerful and wealthy laity and as there is more and more reliance on these laity as vocations and donations drop, this is already strongly indicating that corruption and coverup is increasing rather than decreasing in the RCC.

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Fr McBrearty was speaking of your fascination with Silverstream the other day during a private lunch. Have you met him Bishop Buckley? Or have you and he ever had a run in to suggest his negative connotations with you?

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I met him very briefly many years ago. I’ve never had a run in with him.

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Has anyone ever met a more flamboyant ‘closeted’ man? I think, despite him being a larger than life figure, he suffers from little man syndrome.

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What moral compass underpins or informs personnel in the Rcc? I have no idea what rationale these people use in their dealings with abuse survivors or anyone else or anything else (finance) at this stage. In my opinion the hierarchy have lost credibility and moral authority.

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The moral compass is very simple:
1. We are always right and everyone else is always wrong.
2. We teach the teachings of the church and it doesn’t matter that we don’t believe or follow them (although this one has been eroded with their vanishing credibility, for example Kieron Conroy not teaching about sexual sin because he was having his end away).
3. Always prioritize money and power and do what is expedient.
4. Never write anything down or admit to anything.
5. Only pay attention to any criticism or any victims if it looks like you might end up in prison yourself.

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10:01, Lavender Mafia 101
6. Find a way of compromising fellow clerics and students in your antics and always have some dirt on them, so they will not expose you in any way.

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As joint founder, presumably, Dom Anderson also agreed with the dubious maximum age limit set for brothers and postulants entering Silverstream.

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8.35: How do you know who asked what and of whom? Were you a fly on the wall? You and RN are behaving like bullies re: Dom Kirby and all monks in the monastery. While I have lost my trust in the monastery and am disgusted by Dom Kirby, I do not believe that pumelling these men into the ground is appropriate. I believe in having mercy and I believe too that this monastery will be forced to close unless Dom Kirby is removed. The filthy, sexual, toilet humour is disgusting. Why can’t you all act like grown, mature, balanced adults? I am absolutely disappointed by RN’s behaviour in this drama over the past while. He should reflect on his behaviour. Personally, I believe he has made a huge statement by removing his Silverstream videos. I wonder why, Robert? Pat, can you enlighten us?

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To be fair the Bishop of Meath has moved and is working on this. I hope this situation is resolved it’s heartbreaking. I urge those who experienced what Dom Benedict experienced to please make statements. It would move things a lot quicker. Silverstream have some good men, but there needs to be transparency on the process forward.

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Good morning, Robert
Do you know that the Deenihan has moved on this and is acting on this or is this just another one of your statement of facts that is, in actual fact, rumour and hearsay?
I hope that Silverstream and Dom A find a peaceful resolution soon. As you say – it’s heartbreaking.

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8:29 Well Done – it’s enlightening to hear that a Bishop is actually going to take some responsibility for what happened in his Diocese. We hope that it brings peace and closure for the late Michael Deegan and his family & that it gives hope to other victims of RCC coverup and wrong doing.

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ROBERT NUGENT seems to have thrown in the towel and seems now to have returned to Kirby and Silverstream. He told us he would have Kirby out of Silvetstream within seven days. Now he has removed all his videos criticising Silverstream. Robert has let us all down and staged a big personal failure of principles and morals. At least Bishop Pat, for all his faults, has always stayed in it for the long haul. RN, have we just witnessed a week of video narcissism. As the Lord said: “Many a man protests his loyalty. But give me the man who stands firm when the trials come”. I am left feeling betrayed and disappointed.

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No I absolutely haven’t. I back Dom Benedict and I openly apologise to him, and Pat knows if my situation was different I could fight this. But people cold calling my wife it has come to a head. She does not know what to think. So I ask those who suffered like Don Benedict to please make statements and talk to the Bishop.

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Robert, presumably you mean Deenihan? He has presided over this for several years and has been cruel to Dom Benedict.

As I said the other day: “Indicting the Devil and holding the court in Hell” 😞

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8.51: Ribert, you have brought this on yourself by your misguided posts and videos. I was always concerned about your handling of these huge issues. I expressed this concern frequently here. I hope and pray that you look after yourself and your family first and foremost. Do the other work in your way and in your time. You may now truly appreciate how priests feel about this blog.

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8:44 now you know how betrayed and disappointed all victims of RCC corruption, coverup and abuse & their families feel especially when they don’t have the benefit of a worldwide mafia behind them like you do.

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It’s heartbreaking. One day those who knew and had the power to make amends will face God. They can escape God on earth, but they can’t escape his justice in Eternity.

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10.48 am @ Jesuz

Oh how very true. If a person is not punished in this life for their wrong doings, they will be in the next. God’s Law is a perfect law, no one can escape it. We will all face The Day of Judgement and what happens next is a direct result of how we have lived ‘This Life’.

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It’s only a question of time until more and more tumbles out. USA / UK / Ireland yesterday, Italy today, but you just wait until what is happening in Third World countries, especially Africa, starts to become headlines. That will put everything that went before it, bad as it has been already, in to the shadows. The missionaries showed the indigenous clergy how to do it, and now they are in charge they have taken it to a new level. We aren’t allowed to talk too much about it, because it’s interpreted as imperialist / colonial / racist. But, out it will come……..

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Well the approach to the missions *was* imperialist, colonialist and racist and describing it as such isn’t so you’re a bit confused. There was a long tradition of putting the more dodgy clergy in the roles considered less plumb or where the recipients of their abuse would not complain. If you look around the internet the same pattern of covering up and discrediting victims has started to emerge and of course there was the case of Fr Kit Cunningham.

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9:37am A relative was nursing with other nurses who were educated by missionaries in their home country – and they were not at all complimentary about how they were treated so not surprising that will be another can of worms. Goodness knows what has been exported to these poor and vulnerable people in remote parts of the world.

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It shows the inconsistencies between the different language desks at the CDF. If this had been dealt with by the English speaking desk, there is no way he would have been allowed to remain in active ministry.

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That priest is a monster. He left the boy bleeding and in pain from anally raping him at a hotel. He then gave the boy’s parents a postcard of the hotel where he raped their son, commemorating the two days he spent there abusing their child. He then speaks to the BBC reporter in that awful priestly, soft voice, thanking him for his solicitude. I am surprised he hasn’t been strung him up in the town square.

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Years ago a priest told me that a lot of the attitude to crime in the church stemmed from an Italian cultural attitude to tending to let things ride and being flexible about rules. I hold no brief for this view and know nothing about Italian culture but just put this out there. Interesting that it’s taken it so long for Italian abuse (beyond odd cases) to break in the media though

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Even if a conservative Pope who had the will to clean it up were ever elected again, ( and the way the college of Cardinals is now stacked there is no hope of that ), he wouldn’t have a prayer against the Italian Vatican civil service and curia. They run it now the way they want it, i.e. rotten to the core. The only thing that can sort the Christian Church out now is a God given miracle. Pray the Rosary every day. God Bless.

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Birds of a feather flock together all over the world in the RCC whilst victims of their abuse, coverup and corruption carry the can. Very good exposure by the BBC.

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1:39pm as long as BBC & all media are exposing and challenging child abuse and church criminality & the associated complicity & coverup in RCC that is a worthy agenda in anyone’s book unless one is a paedo or a paedo accomplice. Bad things happen when the good do nothing.

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Yep the BBC done a great job exposing Jimmy Saville, and the BBC’s and English establishment’s many other paedos, and those in Rochdale etc. and done a lot to help their victims. NOT. Double standards abound. Expose them all, not some, then I’ll join in with singing the Praises of the “BBC”.

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But your statement above is not clear or it would appear to contradict your recent video in which you quote “were not going to allow this to happen to Dom A” and that you were claiming you were going to have this sorted by the end of the week.

So are you now saying you cannot fight this?

I ask this because it confirms what I have been trying to say to you for a while now. That you are rash in your judgements and overly confident about your abilities in these issues.

I don’t doubt your sincerity and I’m sorry to hear your wife is on the receiving end of sinister calls.

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8.52: Robert, your try reminds me if Lady Thatcher who, when asked questions she was asked by others, would respond with, “I refer the right honourable member to the response I gave a few moments ago”….Clever. Great political tact. Well done, Robert.

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1:48 he’s answered the same questions dozens of times now, which is more than most do here.

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8.48: Somehow Dom Benedict is being humiliated all over again. He has been abandoned by supposedly caring people. Need I name the wolves who have thrown him to the lions and grizzly bears or under the bus – whatever phrase you want to use? While we all agree about levels of abuse in Silverstream, I believe we should pray for all of them. This community is now pilloried, judged and demonised in the most horrible way possible. Jesus, Mary and St. Joseph, to treat any group or family or community in so vindictive, ridiculing and mocking manner is morally reprehensible. It is not the way of CHRIST because it is devoid of mercy, care, kindness and empathy. Wrongs and abuse have occured but the continuum of lampooning, mockery and holier than thou judgments are all sickening. Let’s pray for all the monks. Pray. Have mercy.

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Kitty Kirby will eventually be forced out. Bishop Pat is persistent, as we saw with Abbot ‘BB’ Rawhide Purcell.

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“Silverstream is a microcosm of the RCC.”
It is a microcosm of problems that keep on reoccurring. The person credibly accused is being protected. The victim calling out the wrongdoing has been pushed under the bus.

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12: 33 Why do these problems keep reoccurring? Is it due to written or unwritten policy?

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9.06: Asmodeus, you and I have similar concerns about Robert’s approach, promises and expectations. He has been very confusing and contradictory. It’s very difficult to understand his changing narratives. All confusing. But Robert is essentially a good person. I believe Robert should carry out his work more carefully. It is disgusting that anyone would harrass his wife and family.

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Robert Nugent is a fine man, he makes mistakes like all humans, it’s just now he is in the public eye as he has thrust himself there, that his many infidelities will come to light

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Any holy Anonymous one.. “ many infidelities” really. Well I sleep very well at night. Maybe grow a pair and actually talk to me!

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Please don’t go after Pat. FYI all the problems started with the Micheal Deegan videos. Somebody does not want me going after that story. It wasn’t Silverstream that is making people made, it’s Thurles coverup 100%. The truth will come out one way or other.

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Yes Robert there was a noticeable change as soon as Michael Deegan was mentioned in conjunction with you. As you know Pat has mentioned the case on and off but there is something about your involvement that the fearful ones really fear. This could simply be that there is a witness who would talk to you but not Pat Buckley? But definitely there is something about you and Pat being on it which has rattled cages.
A well wisher.

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2.58: Robert: your comments get more bizarre. Stop being obsessed. No one is stopping you from investigating the Thurles story. You have failed. Stop blaming others. Please investigate the stiry. It us horrendous but stop making huge unfulfillable commitments and inviting unnecessary comments. And then passing the buck….

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Why don’t you all relax and take a weeks break to the Yumbo centre. Where all priests dreams come true……

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If only they put as much effort into policing kiddy fiddling clergy.
Moral compass my arse.

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When I was in the GC in 2005 I slept with 2 priests in a week long holiday, it defo Is the place for clergy to get a leg over anonymously

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/italian-roman-catholic-church-may-be-worst-clerical-abuse-offender-says-survivor-group?ref=scroll
Has the Catholic Church Been Covering Up Its Biggest Pedophile Priest Problem?
OMERTA
Victims claim the church has a Mafia-style grip on the Italian authorities preventing habitual child-abuse offenders from being brought to justice.
Barbie Latza Nadeau Feb. 14, 2022
” Italy is one of the few Catholic countries in the world that has so far resisted calls to investigate credible reports of widespread clerical sex abuse against minors.On Tuesday, a group of Catholic organizations will march on the Vatican and call on the government to launch the same sort of independent investigations that have pulled back the veil of secrecy on clerical abuse in the U.S., Germany, Ireland, and France” “The Vatican has long resisted calls to investigate the church in Italy, according to Francesco Zanardi, a vocal survivor from the northern town of Savona, who runs the support group Rete L’Abuso or Abuse Network. He has launched a social media campaign called #ItalyChurchToo.”
“If the government complies, Zanardi says it will be a late start to address a problem that he says could have saved thousands of victims. “We can never get back what we lost,” he told The Daily Beast. “But we can still save innocent children from becoming angry victims.”

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Bishop Pat – will you now reinstate the picture of Kitty having one her “whoopsie moments” on her throne please? Ridiculing Rawhide helped to get him out, the same needs to happen with Kitty.

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Why haven’t you done a piece on the shenanigans in the Clogher diocese? Stop focusing on Scotland and focus on this atrocious mine field of drama

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I beg to differ. We your neighbours in Armagh have quite a good example of debauchery, sleeze, clerical adventures of the most surprising kind involving a surprising whipper snapper cleric.

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9:19 his lordship? Who bestows this title on these buffoons? I thought the only one worthy of this title was Christ himself

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I fear my ex husband is sleeping with a priest and has been for many years, potentially behind my back, I’m devastated

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He informs Pat about other going on with local priests but we still don’t know what Paddy gets from Pat over this.

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Paddy likes to think he is like the Kremlin, putting fear into other priests and undermining them, he has and never will cross me though, he knows better.

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12:16pm because he knows that you’ve already tipped them off that he’s coming. Birds of a feather flock together.

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11.35 am
Storm Eunice
Red Alert – Danger to Life
Cobra Meeting
Schools closed, trains, buses, advised not to travel
Army are on stand-by

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At this stage thanks to this blog, I’m seriously considering joining the Free Presbyterians and voting DUP. They entertain none of the nonsense from the Lavender Mafia, paedophiles, far left Neo Marxists, and New Ager’s.

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@12.11pm What an idiot you are if you think the wee Frees and DUP are squeaky clean. Jesus you are deluded. The only thing they entertain is money. Go all the way back to Kincora and work onwards from there. You are welcome to them as they are you gombeen.

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Pastor Willie Mullan, Orangeman William McGrath, Kincora, the boys home around which these paedos orbited, and all that should disabuse anyone of thinking those lads were remotely clean. Ian Paisley knew about it and did nothing or very little. The Wee Frees had plenty of nonces. The DUP are the only large pro life party on this island, but they have a very compromised history.

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11.33. ‘twould be an idiotic priority in present political circumstances.
Vote Sinn Fein the only way to go to really stuff Geoffrey and Co.
He’s attempting same tactics as Unionism’s 1920’s efforts, but demographic changes and weight of public opinion and media focus is surely turning the tide against the continuation of Unionist domination.

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Do not vote for this lot. Regardless of your lgbtqixyz stance, the DUP are the only valid candidates in NI

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There is a time every day when the obvious fake troll comments start (and 10:49 is obviously fake, Pat). Today after 10am. The fact they don’t come in consistently across the day suggests they are the work of only one person.

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Very illuminating article on how the Lavender Mafia operate and now control the Church:

The emphasis of this article is for the USA, but the system works the same way in other countries.

I believe this also possibly explains how Kirby got to leave the USA and Start up Silverstream in the first place, and how he is still there.

It would also help explain the campaign of intimidation RN and his family are now experiencing.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/mccarrick-catholic-church-how-the-lavender-mafia-works/

” Sipe was a Vatican II liberal, and he said what he said not because he believed gay men could not be good priests. Rather, he said it because he said the networks of exploitation were so extensive and so powerful within the Catholic clergy in the US that a gay man who intended to live chastely would face a hellacious press from priests, seminary rectors, and others, to act on it.

And once they acted on it, said Sipe, they were neutralized. Even if they were chaste for the rest of their lives, the fact of their having compromised once would make them blackmailable, and commit them to turning a blind eye to sexual misconduct among other priests.

Therefore, according to Sipe, gay men shouldn’t be ordained to protect them from this system that would exploit, abuse, and instrumentalize them. “

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The article also interestingly makes the accurate connection that the gay men the Mafia promotes are perceived to be orthodox, which strikes straight to the Silverstream thing.
TBH it’s a bit difficult to see who should be ordained at this time in the light of that article. Would you really want to get into that shambles if you were straight or gay or bi and a decent human being?

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Pat I’ve heard a priest is leaving soon for his lover and NO, it’s not Rory, have you heard anything on the grape vine?

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I refuse to say confession to any priest. I have masturbated a lot over one, I know it’s sinful and regretful but what would my penance be if I confessed?

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Don’t confess any of your sins to any man other than Christ himself in your own company. I have learned the hard way as a former local Pp was a darn gossip and spread my confessions round the local village.

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2:22 and 3:25 You should ask your pastor in your own Church. You slipped up on your trolling. The little details always give the game away.

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You all hurt so much, you all are hurting others so much, it’s a real shame, help is on the other side – reach out

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Pat have you ever stayed in the Ballygawley Castle Hotel? Lovely place with nice staff but I got Covid from it and it’s that Delta variant say a prayer for me please

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And that’s without catching covid off a hotel. That’s like getting pregnant off the chair 🤗

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Tony McAleese has stunned Lisbreen by asking for a transfer out of St Patricks, he has told Bishop Treanor he is ready to step up and become a Parish priest himself. How far the catering manager has come eh

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Tony could not be trusted with his own parish, I fear he will always be the bridesmaid when it comes to his calling

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If this is true, there is no way Eugene O’Neill could handle this parish on his own. I would say it’s more likely Eugene is forcing Tony out after more rows and disagreements.

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Noel rolled out the red carpet to the woke Alliance Lady Mayor of Belfast the other day, when he was all smiles during her visit to the QUB chaplaincy, even though Alliance would do away with Catholic schools. The co-chaplains were all smiles too.

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I fear for the poor around the world, Durex are now increasing their prices and that puts a lot of lives at risk.

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This is the most honest and accurate comment here ever. Luckily there are charities that make them available.

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4:54 Inverted commas have rights too. ‘Abstinence’ you mean.
Just because nobody fancies you, don’t take it out on other people.

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Always a storm in our church, such an angry man that needs CBT, unlike most savages on here I will not name the priest

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Gone are the good old days you could sneak around the back of the parochial house for a sneaky snog, nowadays the buggers have cameras up everywhere

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He said, “Girl, this diocesan monastery thing is a great gig. No accountability whatsoever! If I had been prior of Silverstream and not abbot of Melleray, I’d still be mitred, croziered, and living my best gay life!”

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Patrick Buckley you are more than welcome to an ice cream in Ballycastle anytime, so long as you pay for your flake and give a donation to a local church. Thank you and god bless

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That Kirby stays put convinces me that he has significant leverage over the Bishop of Meath. I’m not sure how else to explain how this has become a prolonged 2 year meltdown.

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Tony Flannery’s Esker “Monastery” has renewed itself out of existence.
Statement from the Diocese of Clonfert:
Prayers and Best Wishes on the Closing of St Patrick’s Redemptorist, Monastery, Esker
It is with sadness that we heard during the week that the presence of the Redemptorist Fathers at Esker in the Diocese of Clonfert is to come to an end. Esker Monastery has been an integral part of our Diocese for more than a century and its closure will be a great loss to the local Esker area and indeed to the Diocese as a whole. Over the years the Redemptorist community at Esker have played an important role in our diocesan community – providing priests to minister in our parishes, offering a place of spiritual nourishment and support to clergy and laity, contributing greatly to the life of the local church communities and in particular a fruitful outreach to youth and school groups. For this, we are deeply grateful. We give thanks to God for the service and witness given by so many Redemptorists at Esker over the years. To close a house with such a long and venerable tradition is always a difficult decision for any religious community and one not taken lightly. However, in light of the current challenges that many of our religious communities face, it is totally understandable. To Fr Dan Dan Baragry C.Ss.R., Redemptorist Provincial, Fr Fr Brendan Callanan CSsR, Rector all at Esker we say Thank You!” We give thanks to God for your presence among us. We wish you well on the next stage of the journey and pray God’s blessings upon you into the future.
+ Michael Duignan
Bishop of Clonfert
Bishop Elect- Galway, Kilmacduagh
Apostolic Administrator of Kilfenora

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Usual idiotic conflation of causation and correlation. I bet you don’t even know what Vatican 2 told religious orders to do. 😂

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Tony Flannery’s house was presumably the very model of what VII asked for. Not that it did them much good.
The other interesting point is what happens to all the €€€s raised from the sale of assets built up in the pre-Vatican II days. Although built with the pennies of the poor, the multi-million proceeds won’t go to the poor but will be used to keep Tony & Co in the style to which they are accustomed. In the coming years there will be a flood of renewed religious houses up for sale. Maybe the SSPX should buy them; they need the room.

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I knew you didn’t know, 5:13. A sensible person would find out before shooting their mouth off.
Incidentally Marilyn Monroe died in 1962…

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The thing is, Vatican II didn’t work. It’s a failed experiment. If you have any doubts about that, look at all your relatives. The only ones who go to Mass are the people who were catechised pre-Vatican II. The rest are lapsed and their children are unbaptised, hostile agnostics, despite having spent many years at Catholic schools.

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I may be mistaken ( very rare!) but Tom Deenihan may be a more honest broker than most of his ontologically similar brothers. I take a gamble here… but I have studied the form.

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Presumably he isn’t likely to do anything about the Silverstream scandal any time soon Pat?

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4.24
I did say gamble but I own it. John O Keefe has served Caesar well…. From my memory of the man in Maynooth, he was incredibly dedicated without the guile of the Musical greats around him…. he consequently never went forward in career ( as he should have), none of the other episcopal F…..s bothered with him. Deenihan did. This is not actually the form I have in mind.

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4.45
Yes Pat, I quipped to Bishop Michael Smith in the Clayton Hotel in 2018…. in an instant where I was passing Smith proximate to Deenihan…that Tom Deenihan was his crucifixion. You are 100 percent accurate.

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Every day. Every single day. My intentions for September 2020 did not come to pass. Covid-19. Djokovic however brought the minuses of the Australian way into the light. I am appalled at the Canadian Government. We live in interesting times…. even in our philosophically deprived society we did not push anything too far ( except the tragedy of putting masks on children… they have lost much) But yea, I miss Australia… in terms of their chosen and they do choose ( White only policy unti 1971) , it is the country of the best lifestyle in the world ( very transactional of course). I like Australians…. and the accent!

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Novak, numbers or not, will be the GOAT. A man I am not fond off (like many of us). He has not the personality of Roger who will always be the peoples choice for GOAT. However, if I was as talented as Novak I would be as arrogant as him.

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William at 4:46 the country’s total racism is what has made it a home for many apartheid supporting South Africans seeking to flee an integrated society. It’s a truly horrible colonial country, worse even than the US.

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I know someone who named their dog after Serena Williams and his other dog is named after John MCEnroe- they’re called Willie and Jonny….strange names for dogs but hey ho, there you have it x

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5.00 pm

Djokovic is not arrogant. He is just very sure of the ground he stands on . People find that very threatening out of their own insecurities. Roger is exceptionally well adjusted,.. thanks to him … I wear the most comfortable and therapeutic of food wear which he advertises… 0n shoes…. Incredible things!!! Djokovic is so sure of his own ground he appears to be giving up millions because he chooses what goes into his own body( up until now that was the preserve of women in western culture!).

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What is the brand of shoes, Bill? I wouldn’t mind having yours next to mine in the hall.

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5.27
You are clearly pan national ( a compliment), most ordinary Aussies are not…. and unaware of the truth you speak( like most national populations in Western Democracies) .

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4.46

Further to my comment, may I say as one not given to complimenting An Gardai or any police ( Croatian police are state payed Thugs… along with a few in Ireland) but The Gardai we’re quite exemplary during Covid emergency laws( it was ridiculous policing beaches and such… but all knee jerk to immediacy), under the leadership of Drew Harris whom I hold to be a good man.

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You’ll be pleased to hear Mi5 have extended Drew’s contract as Gardaí Commissioner to 2025, by which time they hope to have their political party SF in power. I jest not btw.

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4.54

Marriage is redundant in most Western democracies…. Laws on property and the rights of children are sufficiently strong. Never could get my head around Marriage in Same Sex culture…. For with marriage comes divorce…. and sooner or later because of the evolving longitude of living…. Monogamy will be as it was before!!!!

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Ho-sef Natzinger will surely not be canonised now and rightly so. Nymphomaniac Pope John Paul II should have not been until at least 2055

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4.40
Super Slav was canonised so that he is now prevented from falling into the mire where he rightfully belongs. Ratzinger is a saint compared to Wojytyla….. and that is saying something!!!!! I wish Ganswein would shut up in his apologetics.

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4:40 I’m afraid you’ll be disappointed in that. My money would be on him being canonised ASAP. To be fair I can see why, Nazis need a patron saint – paedophiles already have one.

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Pat do you have close friends within the journalist community? I have photos which may be of use to you/them.

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A long shot here, I was going to consider writing to the bishops so that we could have an annual awards ceremony for local priests (bit like the Brit awards) so for example – Lifetime Achievement Award goes to (drum roll)………Pat Buckley. Would this be a good idea?

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Be better handing them out punishments each year instead of awards, a bunch of hateful clowns the lot of them

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I met Eamonn Martin at the end in March 2019….. I declined his multitudinous insistent invitations some months after that… I shall never forget his unkindness…… imagine asking anyone to repeat their understanding of what the conversation was about…. imagine….devoid of respect. I served him a small meal once…. egg and samphire from my fridge…. in the most ignorant manner…. he said to me “ you mean seaweed Bill. “ Out of courtesy I agreed with him… but Samphire is not seaweed. Only kindness matters in the end….. and on this Blog it is rarely found( including my own contributions, but the RCC I know for what it really is…. even when you’re gone it seeks to damage). Only Kindness matters. Religion doesn’t get that… it’s transactional kindness and professional care. What house in any parish has been given to a family in need ? ( no fiscal deal whatever might be worked out in time… yes that’s the RCC… even that Fraud in Rome).

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Bengal Spice actually seen a rise in bookings since being mentioned on your good blog, I think you are owed some cash for that.

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I’m bored with the trolls on here misusing the word troll. Perhaps they should try the word narcissism instead? It would certainly be a very fitting word for them to try to get their heads round.

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I do not wish to be misunderstood in any way. I am abhorred by the abuses in Silverstream. I believe Dom Kirby must be removed. I appreciate the concerns expressed by commenters. The rhetoric has been harsh at times but legitimate. Dom Benedict deserves justice. Having read the commentary today, led by Pat particularly and having seen the added sexualised imagery and logos, I believe this blog is acting very vindictively, dangerously and abusively against the community. Can we imagine being in a family in an estate that was being vilified, harrassed, ridiculed, bullied and debased in the way this community is enduring? Believe you me, some families have experienced this because of racism, prejudices and drugs related issues. Would it be morally justified if such a family was subjected to relentless abuse on any social platform or that any of us took part in and encouraged this behaviour? Absolutely not. I do not personally know any of the monks apart from some visits years past. I found solace there, T. God. The onslaught today must be having a very negative impact on the men – human beings, at this moment. The impact of nasty, bigoted and denigratory language will have an emotional, mental and spiritual effect on all of them. In Christian charity, in Christ’s name, can we stop the onslaught? There has to have more conciliatory, charitable and kinder way of helping this community. It may all end soon and each or all monks transferred to other monasteries but I cannot share the horrendous, on-going subjection of these men to the abuse being given today. I am appalled at RN’s complete abandoning of these men, a community he embraced, loved and supported until he was refused a phone call by the community. He then went dangerously outraged in his videos. Pat, I am not asking you to stop cease questioning or seeking justice for Dom Benedict but can you rethink your approach. Is it a Christ like attitude to continue this nasty debasement of men who, in all likelihood, like you and me entering seminary, entered the monastery with the noblest of intentions? The pathway to their dreams is now shattered and is it right to be scoffing at their struggles and sufferings? Can we pray that they will not be harmed in any way by all this humiliating publicity and that they will find professional guidance soon. Think too about the families of these monks. We can only guess the concerns and fears they have for their safety and well being. God guide all of us. Language used wrongly can incite viokence. RN has found this to be a scary experience ever since he came on this blog. I’d be interested to know his true thoughts at this juncture…

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Don’t forget that much of the spirituality of Silverstream is about reparation and such things as being a victim soul and wounded so with no disrespect they can only expect some woundedness. I expect they have missed the total contradiction that Silverstream is claimed to be divinely inspired and any criticism is therefore against the will of God.

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I have sympathy for the younger monks and novices, but the more senior monks must be complicit with Kirby, Deenihan, and Coffey, and thus have brought ridicule on their entire community. Every day Kirby remains in that community with the approbation of Deenihan, every single monk suffers in reputation. It’s the sad, painful reality.

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Is there any record of whether Silverstream use the physical penances common in religious life before the council – the discipline and salice and so on? They are common in these so-called trad monasteries but were rightly one of the first things to go after the council because self harm isn’t part of a Christian life. By the sixties there was also a recognition that some monks got off on these penances.

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Pat I truly look up to you, I work for the Belfast Trust and you inspire me to whistleblow and speak up for all the wrongs I witness. I’m so glad to give me the strength and courage to be able to do this.

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Pat, I heard tonight that Bet Lynch of Turnbull Hall is on holiday in THAILAND, cough, cough.
Interestingly enough Denney is not with him. Denney and Benny ( hahaha) were in Rutherglen this week past.
Will you be returning to the Scottish Gin and Lace scene anytime soon?

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Pat have you ever stayed in that Galgorm down by you I’ve heard wild good things about it but it’s pricey like

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Rodney- if you stay in the Galgorm again can I recommend that you try their stuffed mushrooms for a starter? I have never tasted the likes of them xxx

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I concur also but it’s very heterosexual they don’t seem to appreciate the pink pound

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You know I’m an avid reader of this blog but recently I believe a lot of comments have been lesbophobic and we have had a hard read on here. Love is love and we should be using this platform to quash lesbophobic comments

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Roberta I am also a keen reader of this blog, I very rarely make comment but I must say I have yet to read any ‘lesbo’ phobic comments, is this even a thing? Maybe as an ex lesbian married to a man I don’t recognise these comments and I’m oblivious to them but you should really call them out and respond to them when you see them.

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5.56

As with a lot of what Donald Trump says…. he is very right. It will happen… it’s inevitable now. None of the Christian Holy sites of “ the Holy Land” would now exist if the Palestinian Ideologues had their way ( as differentiated from the Palestinian People). No war was started anywhere on earth under Donald Trump. He did not need “ their” money. Trump like Boris is a good man.

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Israel 🇮🇱 are committing apartheid against the Palestine 🇵🇸 people in full view of the world who are all scared to mention anything bad against the Jewish motherland for fear of ‘anti Semitic’ accusations

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If Trump were president still Russia would not be putting the fear of Putin to the west nor Ukraine

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6.17
History records the extent of anti semitic sentiment. It’s only a few years since Roman Catholics prayed for the “ perfidious Jews” …. Not sure they even gave this most noble of races a capital letter.

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Trump’s an incompetent clown, but the only option that got through by accident and stumped the dead cert that was Hillary. Many voted for him because there was no better choice. The other side are pure evil.

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6:37 Upon extreme pressure from the Jewish leaders. “Let his blood be upon us”.
Politics is complicated.

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Greetings from Texas ya all but you are all more than happy to keep Kirby and Co in the Emerald Isle we have enough nut jobs over here have a wonderful day

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Kayla at 6:04, Are Kirby and Co. sniffing around in Bishop Strickland’s diocese? Strickland is a big fan of In Sinu Jesu.

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6.37

Jesus was not murdered…. His Father gave him up for the satiation of His own want….. to nullify what the Christian Church teaches is our sin…. designed and executed by Divine plan…. finding echos in Abraham and Isaac . There was only human Co operation in the Divine plan ? Or is the whole venture…. As you say….. murder ? A lot of money made on it anyway….

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7.39
The theology of Paul has had a dominant influence on Western Christianity. Eastern Christianity has a long tradition of understanding the Incarnation as the primary moment of salvation and redemption which doesn’t rely on the death of Jesus for its effectiveness.

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8,00 pm
He was being courteous and heroic. They knew exactly what they were doing… as they do right now. Respectful of your altruistic nature…. Bill Mulvihill

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7.39: William, “a lot of money made from it” you say!! The irony of your statement is glaring. Didn’t you benefit nicely and hugely from the money? Of course you did…with your trips down under and art collection and sun holidays, your food, car and other subsidised benefits!!! Now William, pot, kettle, black. Isn’t it always interesting when an ex priest says something cynical about church and money, yet they took everything financial and material while in priesthoid. Hypocrite. If your conscience is upset by taking such church money, return it or give it to the poor!

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6.37

And in the sentiment as you express it…. The Romans are still at it…. The motto of the Irish College Rome; so you be Christian s so you be Roman s” or something to that effect…

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8.17
My energy and other attributes the church church could never really afford. It’s a pity I cannot recompense what you and people like you in The Church owe me !!!!! But I was never about the crude currency you address! I imagine you are quite pitiful. Bill Mulvihill. The gall of you !!!!!

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America is a big place & Ireland has a long history of sending over clergy with various kinds of nut issues on “holidays”, “sabbaticals” or whatever it suits them to call it this week.

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There are rumours rife in Derry that the local curate has got a local woman pregnant but I’m not sure regarding that woman’s mental health

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I wouldn’t think so. In my opinion, Armagh has plenty of secrets. Tyrone should be the focus for those interested. And it isn’t women the Rev Fr in question is hooking up with either. Totally unrelated to this Pat, any news of our MIAs recently 😂😂😂 Where….or more interestingly why??

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Hello- I am familiar with that case but all of us in the village know that this poor woman is as mad as a bag of spiders and it doesn’t take a genius to see that the priest in question isn’t the impregnating kind. Unless there’s an Immaculate Conception happening, I think the poor lady is deluded. Sure three years ago she had it that she was pregnant to someone who hadn’t been in the country for ten years.

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I’m laughing as I write this but just got the sheer shock context, what was the name of the nun in the 60s/70s that came back from England pregnant and gave birth to a black child?

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That’s a ridiculous comment to make. Winnie mandela was never a nun. She didn’t even become a Catholic until she was 73 and Nelson only converted on his deathbed x

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8.59: William, you are annoyed by my comment at 8.27 not 8.17!!: Of course you took your salary and all benefits while you were in the presbyterate. You’re delusional. What helped you to live from day to day? Leaves falling from trees? Come on Billeen. I was never about the crude currency either..but I wouldn’t be so ungrateful for what I’m given and what I received in the past. Incidentally, I am a very contented and fulfilled in my life. God is good. Don’t pretend you didn’t want a salary. Did you have it back any time? Delusional and dishonest.

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4:36 — Comments by you about this 7500 euro story keep getting posted but you apparently make no effort to tell what you know to Bishop Pat. You could actually help bring down both men if you just shared what you knew rather than post vague comments which simply make you look like a troll. Pat’s contact information is available here on the blog; just tell him what you know and let him suss it out and ventilate the matter in a blog post.

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The great Chinese philosopher, Pei Wei Shi, once said, “free world is enough for free man but free man want more and more come at price of life”

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7.07

Chinese Civilisation nor Culture were/ are never appreciative of the individual or of the concept of privacy. A proof that not all cultures are equal.

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I love holding my husband at night watching a movie on the sofa and I truly feel for any husband or wife that has experienced that and are widows, it’s not easy, Pat make the most of your Ed and likewise Ed with you.

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Is the explosive report into Thurles, that was going to blow the lid off everything, nearly ready? Or have we already had it a few days ago?

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Watched a few older interviews with Kirby about Silverstream on YouTube there.
First time I’ve seen or heard him speak.
He comes across as a smarmy and off, and too keen to be the centre of attention.
The young naïve monks in the clips look ripe for the slaughter. I feel so sorry for them and their families. Mother Mary of God, please pray for us.

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A good “teacher” or Father in any walk of life is one who’s ambition is to teach their students/children so well, and give them a good head start so that they exceed their teacher’s/father’s ability/achievements, and so in turn, the human race progresses in a positive direction, generation by generation. People like Kirby are only interested in showing how superior and more charming they are to those under their care.

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After reading about the struggles of a few readers this week I too have decided to stop donations to the church.

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I may be on the wine
But I still got spine
I will call you out
And you know I’m no tout
I love this damn blog
As much as I want a dog
I am in love with a priest
He is a sexy beast

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Pat,
A wonderful intervention from President Higgins today on integrated education.
Recently the case parochial, old-fashioned case was made for Catholic segregated education. While reasonably well written the piece was rather inward looking. The time has well and truly come to tell the Catholic Church and its clerics, to stay out of the education of our children. Isn’t that where the segregation begins?
It is entirely baffling to read ‘educated’ people make the case in a pluralist society, for Catholic segregated education. They back this ancient rhetoric up with echoes of “Catholic schools are pluralist and open to all faiths, and of course, inclusive”. I know fee Protestant families (very few) who send their children to such a Catholic school. Get real folks. Stop clutching to the cassocks and let us craft a shared future together. Please God the Integrated Education Bill passes; power shall leave the Church and be placed back in the schools.
Praise to President Higgins!

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A sensible and timely comment @ 9.25, which I assume relates to the ROI.
The same charades are now playing out in N. Ireland. “Educationalists” are trying to obscure their vested interests with similar arguments, claiming their schools are “open to all religions, and none” The “Protestant sector”, and in particular, their politicians, are particularly vehement, and object to what they regard as emphasis on the integrated sector depriving “non integrated ” sector of necessary resources.
MMM

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I’ve only logged on Pat, there is no was in reading through all the comments today you must have been busy!

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I know a priest from Northern Ireland who is actively gay, has casual sex constantly, is known to his bishop and diocesan personnel for this, and lives normally and lives very well indeed.

If you’re gay or straight and think you want to be a priest in Northern Ireland, go ahead. You’ll definitely get away with it no bother.

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8:02 Actually the reason none of my family go to mass is my grandfather and his two brothers were all raped by priests (before Vatican II and swore nobody in the family would go to mass again.
And yes they all learned the catechism and used to recite it with rude words when they were drunk 😂

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Because they didn’t know – the boys didn’t tell them until well afterwards as victims frequently don’t. One of the two priests who abused the three of them told the one he abused that he would go to hell, for example, if he told anyone and of course he believed him.
I would recommend the accounts on the Beyond the Pine Curtain website to learn how abusers work.

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No John, there are many places. Most populous would be Rome. Belgium is also home to a peculiar branch of clergy, possibly those who wish to blend in more with normal people.

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“Steering Committee and Task Group of the Irish Synodal Pathway”
Carefully picked new age stoogies as usual

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Don’t underestimate them, toxic foot soldiers in the community, no respect for data protection or privacy laws of parishioners – unlawful use of pps numbers church request for tax reclaim is one example of misuse of information.

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I suppose the reason for his indisposition is top secret? A bunch of older women and priests, suggests business (and failure) as usual. Anyhow, whoever they would have, would be window dressing for pre-made decisions, usually drawn up by HQ, if that’s not too obvious.

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