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CHRISTOPHER STALFORD RIP – WHY THE CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE OVER HIS SUICIDE?

That Christopher Stalford’s sad death was suicide has been confirmed to me by a source I trust greatly.

Of course that fact is a great tragedy and suffering for his family and friends.

But I do not think that the conspiracy of silence that surrounds his death is either honest or healthy.

Christopher was a public figure with very well publicised opinions on a wide variety of matters.

He was a very public figure and his death is truly a matter of great public interest.

You cannot seek universal publicity on the one hand and demand absolute privacy on the other.

THE SUGGESTED CAUSES OF CHRISTOPHER’S DEATH

Christopher’s political friends have been telling journalists that Christopher died as a result of an aneurism. They have been stressing that Christopher’s father also died of an aneurism – portraying is as an inherited medical condition.

But Christopher’s father died of an aneurism that was the result of a very bad assault and beating.

Christopher, thank God, suffered no such beating.

Some “informed sources” said that Christopher was deeply upset by the rows happening in secret at very divisive DUP meetings – meetings about Jeffrey Donaldson, Douglas Beattie and Edwin Poots. Christopher was a Poots supporter.

For such rows and meeting to make you commit suicide you would have to be a person who took such things very personally – a very emotional person.

Did Christopher show such emotional and personal hurt about issues that perhaps would not normally require such a personalised response.

He he is getting very emotional about the death of Prince Philip – a well known but remote man.

A strange emotional response to the death of a remote and very old man.

Was Christopher affected in the same way by the internecine rows in the DUP?

Would he really have taken his own life over DUP infighting?

Is the internal life of DUP really that bad and that wicked?

OTHER SUGGEST CAUSES OF HIS SUICIDE

One report says he was sexually involved with a clergyman or priest.

Another says he was being blackmailed by a man from the gay app Grindr.

I think we need a sensitive but truthful statement on Christopher’s death.

Not least because suicide is a very big problem in our society among younger men.

78 replies on “CHRISTOPHER STALFORD RIP – WHY THE CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE OVER HIS SUICIDE?”

Patsy I know I have been a critic of you in the past. I will bite my tongue this time but I agree you are asking the correct questions on this one. Nobody else wants to ask what you ask Pat!

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It’s like his Dad died. It is notable. Still a person would offer the deepest sympathies to his family and friends. Perhaps a number of things worked on his mind. Often suicide comes from that as multiple issues generate an unbearable stress in a man’s mind. DUP infighting cannot be completely discounted given that the DUP seem to have done very badly out of Brexit. They will have to struggle against Sinn Fein paramountcy and Boris Johnson won’t give a damn about them.

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The fact that someone’s sexuality is still considered ammunition in 2022 is a shocking fact. It isn’t something we have grown out of as a society, even young educated “woke” people will still engage in it. It is mostly accompanied by virtue signalling about calling people out in hypocrisy but really in many cases it is simply because one can and one gets a sick thrill out of unseating someone. For such people it’s not about truth, it’s only about what you can get to stick. I hope this man’s death is not yet another illustration that such blackmailing and bullying behaviour really is taking someone’s life into your hands. May he rest in the peace and mercy of the only just Judge.

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I agree we need the facts Bishop Pat. This grindr swindler non story is a false troll and a fantasist. The PSNI are well up to date. Fake shit

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The phantom Susan in a positive light has shown me that Pat is a good humble man in the apology he gave her. It has also shown me that there are a lot of people cynical about organised religion.In my opinion the Vatican in 2019 worth 4 billion euros is more concerned about protecting the material wealth and power than our salvation. They seem to make rules that they cannot keep themseles. They talk in flowery legal language than in the language of the common people.They are cut off from us like a royal establishment in their palaces protected by the swiss army. Who is to help us on this road of salvation?

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8:29am Spot On, Ethel, it’s all about protecting the Church wealth and power. My littie budgie has more integrity in its little beak than the whole of the elitist Catholic Church at this stage. We pray together in the peace and privacy of our front room.

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Bishop Pat your blog today states that you have a very trusted source who confirms that the late Mr. Stalford died by suicide. Do you not think that you should have waited for the Death Certificate to prove this before putting it on your blog. May Mr. Stalford he rest in peace.
You also mention that “One Report says this and another says that” but where is the proof of all this? Can this evidence be supplied before continuing talking about Mr. Stalford and the cause of his death. You state” I think we need a sensitive but truthful statement on Christopher’s death”. Yes we all do but why write something if you’re not sure of the cause of his death. Thinking is one thing but printing this on your blog is another until the truth is known.

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11.28: You are right. We live in a nasty society when it comes to sexuality. The unacceptance of another’s sexuality has brought great hurt to many, often pushing them to self harm. Public platforms have much to answer for. We have to be very sensitive and understanding about suicide. It is a horrendous experience for loved ones. Probing speculatively about Christopher’s death at this moment is adding deeper grief to his family. I caution sensitivity, kindness and perspective. We do not have all relevant facts and to speculate may be harmful to his family, friends and colleagues. May God grant him peace and bless his wife and family.

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Bishop Pat your blog today states that you have a very trusted source who confirms that the late Mr. Stalford died by suicide. Do you not think that you should have waited for the Death Certificate to prove this before putting it on your blog. May Mr. Stalford rest in peace.
You also mention that “One Report says this and another says that” but where is the proof of all this? Can the evidence be supplied before continuing to talk about Mr. Stalford and the cause of his death. You state” I think we need a sensitive but truthful statement on Christopher’s death”. Yes we all do but why write something if you’re not sure of the cause of his death. Thinking is one thing but printing this on your blog is another until the truth is known.

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I think you’ll find that Pat’s blog is not simply about printing the truth, but about discovering the truth, in the face of lies and deception. Many truths would never have been established were it not for he work of this blog. Keep up the good work Pat.

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You’ve gotta be firm when embracing all things love. Otherwise it’s love halfhearted.

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Flowery Language and hypocritical sentiments are flowing from the spouts of the Roman Catholic Church when using the humanitarian crisis in Ukraine to detract from the long term humanitarian crisis that Church cover up, abuse and complicity is continuing to impact on Catholic Church Victims and Survivors worldwide. Don’t they realise that whilst they continue to detract and obstruct Justice for Church Victims, they lack complete credibility when cynically hijacking other non-Church related human suffering in an attempt at deferral and distraction from their own outstanding and unresolved wrong doings. No doubt the identity of the Catholic priest allegedly involved in the account of the tragic demise of the Late MP Christopher Stalford will be mollycoddled and protected just like Dom Mark Kirby and the thousands of other abusive clergy who have been moved around to uninformed and unsuspecting new congregations over the past decades. Hardly a foundation or a formula on the part of the Catholic Church to formulate a genuine path to renewal and reconciliation. More double standards and Hypocrisy even in this humanitarian crisis. Irish Catholic Church haven’t come forward to house the 800,000 plus Ukrainian refugees despite Church owning vast quantities of large empty properties and Bishops and Clergy are sitting back quietly whilst private individuals are taking them into their spare room for an indefinite time given the escalating situation in Ukraine. More cynical two faced hypocrisy from RCC.

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The truth needs to be known, no matter how painful or inconvenient it may be. Any of the theories put forward are possible. However, just to say nothing and keep the whole business in the shadows simply compounds things and make things worse for everybody, including his family. So, even for their sake, the best way forward is transparency and honesty. Without that there will be no peace for anybody. The best would be for his family, once they know the truth and the facts, to make a public statement as to what happened and the reasons, as far as they know them, for it to happen. No matter how terrible whatever lies behind his death, they will find the truth sets them free, they will be supported, and people will be incredibly generous and compassionate in what they think and say. However, if everybody just carries on covering up, then things will for bad to worse and nobody will rest.

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The DUP members have been told to keep their mouths shut by Jeffrey. Being an ex UDR man he would know all about that.

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9.38: Sadly, you are besieged by anger and hurt. May I advise you seek therapy. Parishes will step up to help in any way possible. Already our parish gas collected clise to €6000 to help with Ukranians living in the parish. Don’t be so horribly cynical. There are hundreds of Catholic and other Christian charities on the ground in Ukraine…Your cynicism is being disreputable and most untrue.

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10:46am How much has your Parish contributed to the thousands of victims and survivors of Catholic Church abuse? No doubt it is Parishioners and not Church itself subscribing to Ukrainian cause. It’s always easier to spend other people money – that would explain your uncharacteristically proactive approach to causes other than clerical abuse cases.

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10:46. What is your Parish Budget for the Therapy Fund anyone silly enough to attend your masses would need, Fr Cynical??

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On the topic of Christian charities, Trócaire boxes are a part of the Lenten campaign. Donating the money saved from fasting from luxury items to charity. 2.7 million people were helped across 20 countries from the money donated last year.

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8.23, why do Trocaire want hate (free) speech banned? Are they nervous about free speech?

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Bishop Pat the DUP are split big time. They are not happy at Dundela today with two people. You and a certain well paid bbc broadcaster.

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11.10 and 11.22: Rather petulant and irrelevant comments. The parish I work in has never been found wanting in responding to appeals for help for the poor and all who suffer. Our appeal fund thus far is over €6000 and we are pledging to rally around Ukranians living in our Parish and any family that may be housed. Incidentally, having been abused, been traumatised and having sought therapy, I am a good survivor. I have helped with support groups, have personally paid for therapy for some who were in great need of such. I support in whatever and in whichever way I can. Many people and charities responding to Ukraine are Catholic inspired and many are inspired by the gospel of Christ to be a good Samaritan. I think we SHOULD give attention now to UKRANIANS. Urgently. By the way 11.22, the masses I preside at are always well attended and my preparations are well appreciated…Sorry to burst your cynical bubble.. And 11.10, yes, all charities can “easily” spend other people’s money!! Where do you think they get their money??

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‘The parish I work in has never been found wanting’
Appeal to the particular fallacy. Like when priests say they personally don’t preach about sexual morality.

‘Rather petulant’
Thank you for revealing your real attitude to those hurt by your cult.

‘and irrelevant comments.’
Irrelevant to you, obviously. Recently we have had priests on here saying the abuse in the church shouldn’t be brought up because there’s a war on, because people have children, because it’s in the past, and because it’s private. Most speciously in case it hurts victims.

It’s almost as if they don’t want to talk about it, let alone deal with it….

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Forgot one:

‘Incidentally, having been abused, been traumatised and having sought therapy, I am a good survivor.’

Irrelevant and revealing that you think some people are poor or bad survivors.

Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome, ‘father’?

Now run along and find some sheep to worry.

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3.13: Dint misrepresent my words. I said nothing of the kind which you attribute to me. Yes, having experienced abuse as a teenager anyone through the trauma and been helped by therapy, I can say that I am a good survivor. That’s my truth. Of course it’s not the same for everyone. That’s why I beling to a support group and have indeed helped many a victim/survivor in very positive ways. We all make the pathway to healing differently and I know only too well the TRAUMA many still experience. Because I happen to be a priest, you are trying to deconstruct my truth and make it less valid and relevant than any other person who has been abused. I am a human being first and foremost. I truly understand the pain, hurt and devastation of abuse. My support for and practical, material help given to some survivors or anyone in need is well documented by all who know me. Do not try to make my trauma null and void. Ever. Please read properly and desist from interpreting in a skewed way what I said.

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3:38 Ah, the old ‘thats not what I said’. You really really don’t like hearing how you come across to other people do you?
You can’t say you are a good survivor of abuse because it implies there are not-good survivors of abuse.
I’m a good survivor of cancer is just as nonsensical.

Your motives for saying it in the same comment where you say you are a priest can only be at best dodgy. The only sad thing here is that if you have been abused you are so early in your recovery that you can’t see that.

‘Stop twisting what I say! That’s not fair!’

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Good News Pat that a new law has been passed to allow excavation and forensic analysis of remains to determine identity and cause of death and to facilitate remains to be reunited with loved ones. Catherine Corless is some woman for one woman.

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4.59: Now you’re being idiotic. You are dancing on the head of a needle! Absolutely. And, to repeat again: I am, thankfully, a good survivor of abuse – which happened thirty five years ago by a neighbour- and I am a priest. Your incapacity to accept my truth is your problem. Simple as. My conscience is clear. Keep dancing on that needle!

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If you haven’t reacted to 2018, it may well be Stockholm syndrome. Meantime, the collar would be a good entree to a support group. What about places there isn’t one, or one isn’t articulate, or one can’t travel?

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7.20

He keeps bringing it up (not just here, but on other pages of this blog) because, despite what he says about being a ‘good survivor’, he loves playing the victim: it makes him feel very special indeed. And he simply can’t see the irony of it. 🤣

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I really wonder if it will be a bit like Kamloops (where an alleged mass grave turned out to be a hoax, but you have to search out for that. Sarah Beaulieu claimed 215 children were buried in an unmarked mass grave. There was nothing. Canadian Indian Tomson Highway or Cece Hodgson-McCauley, first woman chief among the First Nations of Canada described their experiences there as very positive. There was a vast outcry, but so little about the unmasking of the hoax. Many churches were torched, including non Catholic churches and Justin Trudeau gave his tactic endorsement of the persecution. These residential schools operated by Catholics and Protestants were not free of issues, but this was settled many years back, without extravagant and false claims.

https://www.dorchesterreview.ca/blogs/news/in-kamloops-not-one-body-has-been-found

Catherine Corless kept silent while various nobodies claimed the nuns were slinging dead babies into a septic tank. Later she said it was not true. They will likely find various little children respectfully buried.

https://www.irishcatholic.com/tuam-babies-not-buried-in-septic-tank-report-confirms/

https://gript.ie/historian-says-evidence-from-the-tuam-site-shows-babies-were-not-thrown-in-septic-tank/

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It’s really upsetting what’s happened there you know. They didn’t even bother with registers / death certificates or anything like that. Nuns too which makes it more painful for those who have, or had, faith. No excuse for that! I hope women will now be able to find better peace, long over due though x

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Yes. I hope nobody was putting pressure of any kind on him. If there was they need to be dealt with.

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@7:28 +Pat hanging is a notably horrible death. Something must have unhinged his mind or was working on it for so long, witness his over the top tribute to Phil the Greek RIP. May he RIP.

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My fear is that he was pushed into killing himself by someone threatening him.

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Pat the Dupers don’t like you because you tell the truth. I know you have a lot more to spill on them. Explosive antics I am told and clergy

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I have a serious question to ask about “Trolls”. Why is ” I didn’t say that considered to be a mark of a “troll”?. I did ask that.

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There must be so many ‘straight’ men in heterosexual marriages tripping off to places like the Giant’s Ring for a piece of the other.

A gay man I know through a nice said that people would be surprised at how many heterosexually married men from Downpatrick frequent that place.

No, I’m not one of them.

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7.20 and 7.38: You certainly have no difficulty “making it up” by deliberately and mendaciously misinterpreting my comments. Most certainly if i was not a priest speaking about my abuse, you’d not be so dismissive . Victimhood as a concept is a tag I’ve never had nor do I see myself as a victim. As I expressed, I am in a very “healed” place in my life: a “good” survivor because, through the support of therapy, group therapy and learning, I am at the far end of my experience of trauma. Many others, sadly, do not have my experience. But I still talk with survivors. If it pleases you to mock, denigrate and dismiss my relevant truth, then so be it. You need to examine your mindset. When one person’s sexual abuse trauma is belittled, all victims and survivors are belittled.

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8.05, it isn’t your abuse (much less anyone else’s) that is mocked, denigrated and dismissed (NOW who’s misinterpreting?); it’s your habitual playing upon it. It’s as though you’re proclaiming it here (Often, and how!) as a license to have your comments on related subjects elevated above everyone else’s. As though it grants you a privilege : of being light years ahead of all others in understanding.
I don’t want to appear mocking, nor denigrating or dismissive, but you do come across, at times, as an awful bore.
What you don’t yet grasp is that too-frequent repetition of anything, even a ‘relevant truth’, just turns people right off. Sorry, but there it is.
Learn from your painful past, yes; but don’t allow it to master you.

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8.41: I guess you just “keep at it” since I’m a priest. Many people on this blog have frequently spoken of their abuse, including Pat. It’s relevant sometimes to speak your truth out of your experiences. That’s all I was doing , giving greater credibility to my experience and learning. My past does not master me. We do learn from our personal experiences. My observation still holds: you couldn’t really care about a ” priests abuse” trauma. No. As for boring: sir, join the big club!!

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8.55, it isn’t charity I’m striving for here; it’s patience. You just won’t take heed of anyone but yourself, will you?
My criticism had nothing whatever to do with your being a priest: that’s a deflection from your unwillingness to face up to, not an occupational disadvantage (as you see it), priesthood, but with a personal failing: your tendency to labour (And then some! ) the sexual abuse you suffered as a teenager.
Told sparingly, I’m sure your experiences back then could be much more telling.

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What bad was done to you, and your turning priest, are not connected in the way you made out: that’s all. What do you make of 2018 then?

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For example (but not the only possible one), were they connected with the RCC (not to be taken for granted in any country)? If he was a “Knight” they do brag about how they are connected with the RCC: hence you could use the word “despite”. And none of us know whether we are well healed or not. You and I might just be well “socialised”. All of us are survivors. If you were frank with yourself about 2018 you would understand surviving.

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Bishop Pat, you should referee some commenters so that they don’t engage in prolonged, boring threads of commentary as is happening between two protagonists today, one trying to outsmart the other. After two lots of counter attacks, it becomes very boring. This happens frequently on your blog. On days like today when there’s a shortage of varied comments, you should not print repeat, vacuous comments.

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Well you see there are two things here.
1. You’re totally wrong about who’s talking to the priest who brought up his abuse. I have commented once so there are at least three people having a CONVERSATION.
2. You’re trying to control the said conversation.
Jesus cathbots are sad.

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Marcel. A sensible observation: thanks.
Another observation frequently made as a request here, is that individuals in some way , pseudonym or other, identify themselves in comments. It’s tedious scrolling past so many ANONS having a “go” at one another as it’s impossible at times to know who, or what, is being referred to. Are some such commentators just plain stupid, unaware, and/or, just commenting in frustration mindless of their intended comments intention?

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Church bell ringing as a group is now permissable, @10:49 am. COVID restrictions are now lifted, didn’t you know?

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Oh dear, Father. I’m so, so sorry to hear this dreadful news. How ghastly!
How things at St. Agnes Liverpool and at St John’s, by the way?
Still lots of Gloria Miscela incense during Lent I hope?? The delicate sweety and woody tones of frankincense in this traditional Italian blend are simply too divine to put aside for any time of the liturgical calendar; Lent is no exception, Father! x

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Interesting that there have been relatively few comments a few days and the comments there have been (regardless of whether anyone agrees with them) have actually had something to say. The comments about lesbians, bills, sausage rolls and so on, have just vanished to the benefit of the blog.
I suspect those comments are left by one person trolling the blog. I hope the fact they have stopped indicates he’s in prison, has been recalled to hospital or some other event that will stop him.

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A hell of alot of people on this blog looking for accountability on various issues and all their contributions anonymous.

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