February 25, 2022 from Frontiersman by Terry Mattingly
It isn’t every day that a prince of the Roman Catholic Church, and a strategic Jesuit ally of the pope, openly rejects centuries of Christian teachings that clash with core doctrines of the Sexual Revolution.
“The Church’s positions on homosexual relationships as sinful are wrong,” said Cardinal Jean-Claude Hollerich of Luxembourg, in a recent interview with KDA, a German Catholic news agency. “I believe that the sociological and scientific foundation of this doctrine is no longer correct. It is time for a fundamental revision of Church teaching, and the way in which Pope Francis has spoken of homosexuality could lead to a change in doctrine. …
“In our archdiocese, in Luxembourg, no one is fired for being homosexual, or divorced and remarried. I can’t toss them out, they would become unemployed, and how can such a thing be Christian? As for homosexual priests, there are many of these, and it would be good if they could talk about this with their bishop without his condemning them.”
The latest unorthodox proclamations by Cardinal Hollerich commanded attention because he leads the Commission of the Bishops’ Conferences of the European Union, as well as being the pope’s choice as “relator general” for the October 2023 global Synod of Bishops, helping shape its work to weigh the church’s future.
Cardinal Hollerich: Church teaching on gay sex is ‘false’ and can be changed
PAT SAYS
The traditional Roman Catholic teachings on sexual morality are flat earth teachings.
Even if certain things have been taught for centuries it does not make them automatically true.
Remember for most of the last two thousand years the Church firmly taught that the earth was flat – and they bullied and tortured Galileo because he dared to say differently.
Knowledge is not a one off never changing phenomenon.
By its very nature knowledge is evolving.
The more we learn the more able we are to judge past beliefs and current issues.
How could masturbation, a perfectly normal act for man and many other species be a mortal sin that damns you to Hell for all eternity?
How could condoms be sinful when they stop unwanted pregnancies and the spread of STDs?
How can the physical expression of love between two people be a sin?
I agree with Hollerich.
The RCC’s views and teaching on human sexuality are clearly outdated, and in many respects cruel and dangerous.
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
91 replies on “Leading Francis Cardinal Declares Catechism is Wrong on Human Sexuality”
At last we’ve finally found one Christian in the college of cardinals. As long as he automatically sends kiddy fiddling priests to the police of course.
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Hollerich is just an other example that Fanny’s cardinals are not Christians They are just another gang of freethinkers who want to impose their erroneous agenda. May they soon depart.
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10.12
Imposing an erroneous agenda? That’s what you’re at. Bela Govan Rob I suppose.
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+Hollerich is immensely stupid if he thinks himself clever when he declares wrong teaching grounded on both Old and New Testament plus the perennial teaching of Holy Mother Church. If he does not believe he should cease posing as a priest and bishop. It is fascinating how not helping someone who is lost in sin is ‘Christian.’
There is another angle. Unfair discrimination is both illegal and wrong but a Catholic bishop cannot discard teaching, only agree collegially and under direction of the Pope new ways to teach what had been handed on. Chap is stuck. +Hollerich like all these secularists around Francis, despite claiming to be humble love the scarlet robes and perks of the office. This Cardinal is in a way another symptom of a rot like that robe formalist Burke where inward facing political shuffling has wholly displaced the pastoral canniness of times past. Woke Churching is a perfect way to finish off the Faith. No one wants weedy white wokists in their clerical collars full of ambiguity.
Perhaps a Pope could like Pope St Gregory and St Augustine the Great send an apostle to the English, or Pope St Leo with Palladius to Ireland, and later St Patrick (I wonder if Armagh exaggerated the works of St Patrick). Maybe others could be sent to Germany and the Low Countries where the Faith has died since 1970 for reasons that can be surmised. Africa doesn’t need missionaries. Perhaps a Nigerian priest could be the new apostle of the Irish.
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11:50pm As we’ve seen, Roman Catholic Cardinals and Bishops in particular have a woefully poor record worldwide on referring abusers to authorities. Instead as has been shown, they have a record of using networks in discrediting victims & forge good relationships with police forces and other relevant authorities for their own ends. They also use their vast networks to create new opportunities in new locations for problem clergy.
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That absolute bastard, PE Benedict, protected paedophile priests for much of his useless life as a priest.
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@ 12:16pm
Get a grip Patsy, I’m not imposing anything but I expect authentic Catholic doctrine from clergy. I don’t know why you mention Govan it’s nowhere near me nor is my name Rob thank you very much.😏
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GOD IS WRONG ; the aberrant cardinal is right!
How COULD I have got it so wrong?!
Thank God for Pat Buckley!
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What would make you think any of the church’s teachings come from you?
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2.00 am, yes, God could learn a lot from Pat, and that cardinal. The pair of them will learn from me, God, when they each pass over.
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2.00
Don’t hold God to your erroneous prejudice.
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The principle was to advocate chastity which you applied at your discretion depending on your situation. Confession (apart from an occasional nominal attempt) came in after Trent, and got worse in the 1920s since the pro and anti contraception fads. A problem in Ireland was that social prejudice was passed off as church teaching. Seeing as the basis of belief in God and Christ got totally changed in the 1940s and 1950s, JP II and his sidekick Schonborn “woke up” in the 1980s that there wasn’t a “catechism” so they threw together this hasty hodge podge, creating spiritual categories for “homosexual persons” instead of letting us apply situational chastity in our own affairs. Diarmuid dumped his worst seminarians on England (with the connivance of evil English VDs) and that’s why English seminaries are shutting down. I don’t need the CCC to put me in touch with God and no, it isn’t traditional actually. Don’t wait for when you are told that you are bound by what “Synod” will be deemed to have “found” (which won’t resemble the recent input).
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Two of the cornerstones of Catholicism are The Bible and the Catechism. I remember at school, having to commit to memory, the questions and answers in the Catechism. Is this gentleman trying to tell us that the hours that the teachers, the students and I, over many years, have wasted so much time in memorising the booklet and it should be changed for no other reason than because of modern social values ?
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Jesus is the cornerstone of Christianity.
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James, at one time students were “taught” that the world was flat. Even the RCC said so!
Think about it. 😁
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When did the RCC say the earth was flat? Evidence?
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Look it up, 10:52. The internet is full of fascinating stuff.
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10.52
During the pontificate of Urban VIII (1623-44) Galileo Galilei was imprisoned for holding the earth moved around the sun and not vice versa.
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So 11.19, you yourself cannot provide ANY evidence for your arbitrary claim.
Figures.😕
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12:20 Oh I can. However the fact you conclude from my refusing to provide you with evidence that I can’t indicates that you wouldn’t have understood it, would have misused it and are just looking for an argument, and Iwas right not to waste my evidence on you.
Have you had a go at reading Sipe’s website and understanding it yet? No.
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Unfortunately you’re right James that’s exactly what they want. I don’t know about you but everything has changed since I was learning the Catechism. Nothing is recognizable since then, and that’s what they want.
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An essential quality for the Vatican I think.
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His Eminence speaks truth. Thank God he is willing to express his opinion publicly. Anybody who knows gay men or women will realise that their sexuality is normative. Describing their experience of ‘coming out’, ‘I was able to be myself’ is often expressed. God created some humans homo and some hetero sexual. The wholly wrong term, ‘disordered state’ should be removed from Catholic teaching. In case you are wondering, this comment was written by a heterosexual, married father of four children.
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Anon at 9.16pm
Catholic truth Scotland might disagree with you on that ‘ disordered state and all things sundry to TLM. They believe what rcc says on the tin, but what if rcc was wrong, what does it say about Catholic truth Scotland 🤷♂️😜
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The church gets pretty well everything about human sexuality and behaviour wrong. That’s why, if you honestly believe and try to follow the church’s teaching, you unavoidably get into a cycle of repetitive sinning, going to confession, resolving never to do it again.
I like to contrast it with much of the approaches used in health promotion. For example we know that people will use illegal drugs and will shoot them up, so give them sterile needles to reduce the risk until they can change the behaviour.
Just telling people their behaviour is wrong (or sexual orientation disordered) does not change their behaviour.
Experts in humanity my arse.
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@ 9:16am
With that attitude I would have your children removed for their own safety.
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Well it’s lucky you’re unlikely to have any yourself.
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These actions are wrong because they enslave people. No person can make money from porn abortion drugs alcohol cigarettes credit cards when a population is in chastity and making love in Holy Matrimony.
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Problem with the Catholic Church is that they don’t understand social engineering. They think that there is nothing nefarious in huge swathes of the population having their opinions engineered from them, once the process is pleasurable and voluntary. There’s a reason Christ said Pick up your Cross and follow me otherwise you cannot be My disciple.
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9.33, 9.40, Liz, you are so right, Jesus never said some stuffy nosey parkers had to intrude in your lives on behalf of an international power (they will find a more fashionable way). The Vatican City State has understood very well since the 1950s how to foist Another Gospel onto the onetime faithful by undermining the real catechism James mentions at 8.17.
The Knights (Teilhardianists and swingers) were the shocktroops (remember how they used to brag about drumming up “vocations”) and the other movements aren’t making the situation better, with their ambiguous convolutions. The highest values are now reputed to be “communion” and “vocation”.
As for “disordered state” 9.16 the Vatican City State hasn’t singled out the class so intent on bribing so who are they to judge?
As a kiddie I never got to the section of the real catechism about chastity but I expect it was more sensibly phrased than the CCC?
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10:31am Stuffy and intrusive Nosey Parkers with axes to grind make up the majority of the laity involved in Catholic Church. Most clergy are bitchy gossips so it’s a perfect fit.
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Alvin, stop chatting with yourself (Liz Leary).
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Liz, a better explanation is that the church does understand social engineering does it deliberately, and sees nothing wrong with it. And Christ doesn’t even come into it.
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Flat earth teachings on sexual morality?
Come off it, Pat! You’re telling yourself what you want to hear, like that so-called ‘Prince of the Church’.
The Bible condemns homosexual acts at every point. I know you don’t want to hear this, but there it is: FACT!
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Your comment shows a total ignorance of Scripture and Biblical Studies.
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Jesus! Try me on biblical ethics. I dare you.
I look forward to destroying any pseudo-argument you can muster. But you won’t, will you?😅
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+Pat. I would change your comment to read “Your comment shows a total ignorance of Scripture and Biblical Studies, or indeed its relevance.”
It is indeed remarkable that people should choose to organise their behaviour according to cherry picking interpretations of much disputed ancient texts rather than the brain their alleged God is supposed to have given them.
MMM
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Ok, Mmm. Refute my point. 😃
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12:06 If you are going to address MMM can you use capitals please? Your comment reads like a line from Fifty Shades of Grey 🤣
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Mourneman 12.00 well done for sticking up for reason, however I would adjust your wording to “recent texts”.
Dorothy 12.06 and DG 12.59, this brings me to the other two points:
1 – If Hollerich et al want to build the “stable relationship” gambit into any CCC 2.0, it will tend to place singles outside “the” pale. I happen to have been single and I refuse to swear any oath or vow about it. I am mercifully free of any “vocation”.
2 – This shows up the only thing the Curia are interested in: excuses for a part of their behaviours to distract from the whole. If Vatican extraterritorial operatives are off the hook because they are pretending to be “stable” (in whatever nominal format that may be given) then they will certainly not be called to task for manoevrings (in other matters) that they or their informally seconded hangers-on are getting embroiled in. Even more, it shows we don’t need priests, to follow Christ – much as God actually made the priesthood “sort-of” work for a while (sometimes).
Bp Pat’s being separate from Rome saves him from these pitfalls while his copying their churchmanship, nearly exactly in almost all ways, means he can challenge them on their own grounds.
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Thank you, Alvin. I am not just copying their churchmanship as a ploy or strategy. I suncerely love the sacraments and the liturgy and much of the theology surrounding these aspects, especially when I can find a basis for them in Scripture.
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@12:06, whoever you are, and whatever your point was:
I hardly think it worthwhile engaging in discussion with someone unable/unwilling to ID him/herself, nor to state their “point”: these indicate limited ability, and/or suggest someone just seeking to provoke argument for its own sake.
MMM
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Bp Pat 3.05, I agree, you do as your main motivation. I meant to emphasise one of the important side benefits of it. As laity brought up on the fringes I can afford the luxury of sidestepping sacramental expectations (were not the public always welcome to sit in at Mass without “gpoing up”) but many solid characters familiar with Church practices such as yourself and your flock wish to carry over the benefits of sacraments as long as you can. I think God makes them work, when they work. Purely for myself they would seem too similar to the Roman ones. I saw (belatedly, after my being taken in after enquiring of one of Montini’s and JP II’s movements) a pitfall in the hype given by JP II. My impatience sometimes spills wider than its proper scope.
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@ 10:49am
Here! Here!
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Hey! Everyone! Get this: the ‘leading cardinal’ is … WRONG!
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Such an intellectually persuasive comment from Cardinal Bollocks. Funny how cathbots don’t like being told they’re wrong but like telling everyone else they’re wrong!
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Stephen McRarity has been left fuming at all the snide comments left on here about him and references to his time in the Yumbo centre.
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Maybe him and his mates shouldn’t be so hypocritical then…..
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As if Stevo cares about what is written about him on this blog. He doesn’t care too much about his future as a priest with the money he has he probably owns the Yumbo centre.
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You summed it up with the words: ‘centuries of Christian teaching’. The Roman church is totally at odds with scientific evidence on sexuality and was always going to be when fallible human ideas were declared infallible divine ideas.
Sexuality exists on a spectrum, at one pole there are straight people, at the other gay people and in between a marvelous array of sexualities. As long as there’s no abuse or lack of consent involved, let people explore their incredible God given sexualities and be happy in life.
What is not OK, is a church run by closet cases and pedophiles who decide they are infallible and subject innocent people to a lifetime of suffering. As a gay person who was abused, I know the suffering inflicted by both of those things and the RCC has sentenced so many people to a lifetime of suffering that it is an abominable institution.
I couldn’t care less who is straight, gay, bisexual or whatever, let people live freely, let them love who they love, let them gain wholeness and be their own perfect selves without an abhorrent organization that if it was secular would be banned subjecting them to pain and suffering.
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1133, yes, let everyone do what he or she wants … and end up in Hell.
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11.42 am
Sorry to tell you this but there is no place called Hell. It simply does not exist.
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6.26
But evil does exist, as much (worse, in fact) in the hereafter as here.
The name ‘Hell’ is simply an acknowledgement of that eschatological fact, and the fact that it is eternal, like love.
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Totally agree. And none of the church’s rhetoric about sexuality explains why they were so unbothered by their clergy raping children that they just let them carry on.
It’s almost as if it’s a paedophile ring with a religion as a front…
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@ 6;26pm
That’s what you think,, you’ll know all about it, when you’re in it.
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11:33, the secular world block their ears when medical experts advise committed relationships are healthy. The secular world don’t seem to understand the meaning of life. The secular world in all its self praising has many problems.
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The EMINENT CARDINAL angers the MOST HOLY GOD who will strike down those who MOCK HIS HOLY NAME with their LIES about MAN ON MAN SEX which THE LORD GOD does NOT APPROVE.
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11.46 am anon
No need to shout at everybody!
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7.45 pm anon
No, I absolutely won’t.
Don’t worry about me, worry about yourself!
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the HOLY CARDINAL is maybe of right no one should contradecthim because he is prince of the churches
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Was wondering if jesus had met gay people during his travels and preaching but conveniently omitted from the bible 🤷♂️😜….
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Maybe Jesus himself was queer. I mean look at his behaviour with young John (possibly a mid-teenager) at the last booze-up.
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12:14 Not everyone is as keen to make child abuse normative as Catholic priests are.
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Well done to the Cardinal.
If you’re gay or lesbian in the institutional Church you are condemned to living alone miserably. The only other option is a marriage of convenience.
Gay relationships aren’t primarily about sex but companionship. Sadly I know of a number of Catholics living in secret “friendships.” The impact on their mental health is beyond my understanding. Particularly when one writes anti lgbt articles for lifeshite news
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Dorothy stokes
Another take from another perspective especially disability perspective that that rcc don’t give a fig about
If you are a person with disability in an institutional church, you are condemned living alone miserably especially in rural Ireland as such. Rcc doesn’t reach out to you. Marriage is one aspect of preventing living alone but rcc doesn’t approve deaf marrying deaf cos it produces deaf kids, not all of them though. Cos no money coming from deaf kids.Mostly it’s hearing kids now thanks to rubella vaccines.
Rcc is all about money and power run by a gay club of cardinals and bishops aka gay cabal. They have the termerity to dictate to ourselves re ‘their rules aka rcc rules’ while at the same time, living and duplicity in their hidden double lives.
Hence they must be named in order to waken up Catholic laity in respect of their monetary contributions.
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@ 12:06pm
Dorothy you were a charlatan when you were alive, seems nothings changed.
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Well done, Hollerich ! At last someone has the sense and courage to speak out and say what we all know about much of Catholic sexual / moral / body theology. Mind you, at the same time we have Bully Boy Wilson in Southwark banning a gay author from appearing at a Catholic school, and sacking Trustees, and probably the Head in due course, because they still hang on to the prejudicial, discriminatory, nasty, cruel and patently wrong understanding of human sexuality. If the Catholic Church does not sort this out for itself, perhaps along the style of Hollerich, then I hope that governments will take it on themselves and simply tell Churches that they cannot teach stuff that is contrary to the law of the land in which they live. If they don’t like that, then hand over their schools. It has happened before about adoption and gays, andwhen told there was to be no discrimination against gays seeking to adopt contrary to the law, most Catholic adoption agencies had to hand over their work, being deemed unfit to do it according to the law of the land. And, if they carry on preaching hate and bile from their pulpits, then just close down their Churches. Simple ! The law of the land is the law, and there should not be any exemptions for people who think of themselves as above the law. Including Churches. They can think what they want to think, but they cannot publicly express it or act on it. Just like racism. Who would get away with not allowing a black author in to a school simply because he / she was black. You wouldn’t. But a gay…?
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By God, Sir! You rant well. 😀
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12:51 It would be good if states would force enlightened views on religion but when we see the situation in places like Texas it is apparent that a large proportion of humanity agree with the hatred and mediaeval sexual views of the church.
After all, the church can whinge about cancel culture but the Spanish Inquisition didn’t hesitate to cancel several thousand people permanently.
The wonder is not that so many humans are sh*ts. The wonder is that the church is on the side of the sh*ts, encourages them to be sh*ts, leaves a trail of criminal sex behind it and still expects to be seen as a force for good, and people believe this sh*t.
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1.40: Sir, your bowels must be fully flushed out with that s**tty poisonour rant of hatred. What caca!
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8.18
Refute instead of reviling.
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Remove charitable status and the tax benefits that go along with it.
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Yes, tax exemptions etc being withdrawn would hit them where it hurt ! But what are we going to do about the Muslims, who are just as nasty and discriminatory in these areas ? We will have to take them on at some stage and challenge them and their ideas and practices, just as at least we are taking on the Christians. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander….
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4:38 If you say so ‘father’. Surprised you didn’t get social workers in there.
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RECOMMENDED READING
THE CHURCH AND THE HOMOSEXUAL – J J McNeill
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@ 1:06pm
Patsy you’re a naughty bold boy!
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8.15
Bela Govan Rob shows the level of his debating ability once again.
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Every cripple finds their own way of dancing 🕺
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Oul Gossip Alert@ 9:01pm
Ardeer Nettie aka Jim S. etc.etc. is so jealous as she can’t debate at at all. Too busy looking up the addresses of all and sundry to annoy them with her usual gibberish
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This would have made from page headlines 20 years ago. The fact that it has hardly been reported shows how irrelevant the church is now/
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6.19 Very accurate. Irrelevant indeed. The RCC has managed to “ insult “ for decades on this matter. Eamonn Martin and his “bereavement “ as he called it after the referendum ( incidentally at an Area Pastoral Council meeting in the Parochial House Termonfeckin, I proposed a vote of sympathy to him on the matter… needless to say what happened!!!) was appalling…. Parolin in Rome went one better. The self- loathing involved…say no more. Too little too late Your Germanic Eminence….but applauded you should be for the semblance of courage.
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6.33 Your Germanic Eminence, your comments will be of very particular and specific interest to your brother Cardinal R. Marx… and a host of “ hidden” others.
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7.23
Hollerich was born in Luxembourg.
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6.33 and 7.23: Millie, did you ever consider detox therapy after leaving priesthood. All that baggage of cynicism, vengeance and hatred ain’t good for you!! Honestly…in a few short years you’ll be so entrenched in bitterness, you’ll be very miserably unhappy, if not already!!:
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8.05
Thank you for your empathetic concern. You sound so very sincere. Your kind come on this blog for only one reason…
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8.05… miserably unhappy you say…. Is there a miserably happy category? And you?
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8.56
Germanic as I said… if you are limited… broaden.
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8.05
Would you be so good.. altruistic even, and in a few short sentences ( as your comment on me) could you for my edification describe your own emotional state as it is today ? Thank you.
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8.05 P.S. Did you see the photos of the Prime Minister visiting Her Majesty?
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The Irish bishops’ press release after their spring meeting indicates another missed opportunity. They elected, for a three year period, Eamon Martin as President and Dermot Farrell as Vice-President – a non to democratic principles. A real election would be good for all concerned, given they are an unelected body. Many bishops’ conferences around the world elect their officers, some for fixed terms.
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Cardinal H. is talking absolute nonsense in his claim that the Church’s traditional moral teaching on gay sex is based on sociologica-scientific principles: it was NEVER based on these, but on the divine will expressed at many points in Scripture.
God does not need sociology and science to help him formulate divine laws.
What a load of publicity-seeking tosh!
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