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LETTER TO NEW CISTERCIAN ABBOT GENERAL.

Dear Dom Bernardus,

I wish to begin the present by expressing my congratulations to you upon your election as the Abbot General of the Order of the Cistercians of the Strict Observance.

As you may recall, I, Bishop Pat Buckley, was the individual who made a number of evidenced-based allegations against the former Abbot of Mount Melleray Abbey, Dom Richard Purcell, OCSO. Sadly, these allegations were unjustifiably ignored by the leadership of the Order for a considerable period of time; thereby, creating an even greater scandal that could have been avoided by the order following the norms of Canon Law, and the Constitutions of the Order.

You, Dom Bernardus, and Mother Pascale Fourmentin, the Abbess of Arnhem were tasked by the then Abbot General, Dom Eamon Fitzgerald, OCSO to conduct a “Regular Visitation” of Mount Melleray Abbey.

You and the co-visitor had as the “primary object” “to establish if there was any substance to the allegations”. It was reported on the OCSO website that the “investigation concluded that the allegations were unfounded”. But, we were then informed that Dom Richard Purcell for a personal reason offered his resignation as the Abbot and Ordinary Mount Melleray Abbey, and that the then Abbot General having received the consent of his Council, accepted the resignation, which became effective on November 25 2021.

Fitzgerald

I am mindful that you have now been elected to the venerable office of Abbot General, however, I do not resile from my previously and publicly stated position that this so-called “regular visitation” was nothing more than a sham. It was a misguided and intellectually indolent attempt to give a thin veneer of credibility to a man, a monk, a priest, and an abbot who was well-known and notorious on the Irish gay scene. And, it is legitimate to enquire whose agenda was being served by this “regular visitation”?

Respectfully, I submit you and your co-visitor were never going to find any evidence of Purcell’s misconduct at Mount Melleray Abbey, because deviant individuals like Purcell are pathologically careful about ensuring that they leave no evidence that would expose their duplicitous lifestyle. Did you honestly expect to find a receipt and/or a payment to “The Boilerhouse”, the Dublin-based gay sauna on the monastery credit card statement? If you did — that displays an extraordinary level of naïveté. Did you and Mother Pascale expect the ordinary monks of Mount Melleray Abbey to have any idea about Purcell’s lifestyle?

I submit that Richard Purcell was very careful about keeping his gay lifestyle well-hidden from his monastic brothers. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the gay lifestyle, he took risks while “on the scene”, and his hubris eventually led to his downfall.

Prior to his exposure — Purcell, like a parasite, utilised the resources of the Abbey, to have a comfortable life. And, do bear in mind, he was travelling the world on a frequent basis under the pretext of conducting visitations of the daughter houses founded by Mount Melleray Abbey. Furthermore, Richard Purcell was a frequent visitor to Dublin on “church-related” business. In fact, his lifestyle was completely at variance with his professed vow of stability; he [Purcell] was more like a Jesuit than a Cistercian.

Using any yardstick, Richard Purcell was a very talented man. It is a great shame that he chose to lead a lifestyle that was completely at variance with his monastic vows. Due to my exposure of his behaviour, I have learned a great deal about Purcell, however, this is not the place to address those issues; but, it does seem to me that he laboured with a tragic harmartia.

You are respectfully advised that Fr. Richard Purcell was not the only Irish Cistercian Abbot to be active on the Irish gay scene. There was another individual, however, because he is no longer an office-holder and an old man; I will not name him publicly; but, if he misbehaves in the future, and his misconduct comes to my attention — I will do so without hesitation. But, this new fact should not come as a surprise. I have personal experience of being propositioned by a deceased abbot of Mellifont Abbey; so, this gay culture is not new within the Irish Cistercians.

Of course, history shows us that sexual misconduct has always been a characteristic of monastic life. And, that should not come as a surprise because monastic life mirrors and reflects wider society. The history of monasticism shows decline, reform, and renewal. However, it is deeply surprising that the Cistercians appear to have learned absolutely NO lessons from the sexual scandals that have enfolded the Church for the past three decades.

No, I have some questions for you that I will set out, hereinafter.

Dom Bernardus, when you went to Mount Melleray Abbey, were you and your co-visitor aware of Richard Purcell’s known sexual misconduct?

Were you and your co-visitor aware that Dom Eamon Fitzgerald, your predecessor in office confirmed to me during a telephone conversation that it was known within the Order that Purcell had sexually misbehaved?

Were you and your co-visitor aware that the Order considered/hoped that Purcell’s misconduct was a “one-off”?

Were you and your co-visitor aware that the allegations of Purcell’s misconduct were brought to the repeated personal attention of the Bishop of Waterford and Lismore, Alphonsus Cullinan?

Phonsie

Were you and your co-visitor aware that he [Bishop Cullinan] failed to preventively suspend by Decree the Faculties of Richard Purcell within his own canonical territory?

Were you and your co-visitor aware Ordinary of the Diocese of Waterford & Lismore responded to the allegations by giving his approbation to Purcell by publicly concelebrating the Eucharist with Purcell on a number of occasions?

Do you accept that actions of Bishop Cullinan in his failure to act on the allegations were scandalous and a demonstrable example of institutional hypocrisy?

Do you consider Cullinan’s behaviour to be exacerbated by the fact, he [Cullinan] is the Chairman of the Irish Bishops’ Council for Vocations?

Did you and your co-visitor ask Dom Eamon Fitzgerald about our telephone conversation?

Did Dom Eamon confirm that he acknowledged to me during our telephone conversation that Purcell’s sexual misconduct was known within the Order, ie, the anal sex at the guesthouse at Mount St. Joseph Abbey was a one-off? Thus, Purcell’s sexual peccadilloes were known and covered-up by the Cistercians. Do you accept that as an accurate statement of fact?

If Purcell’s behaviour was known about and covered-up — what else are the Cistercians covering-up?

Why was Purcell’s known sexual misconduct tolerated by the leadership of the Order?

Would the current leadership, i.e,, you and the Council of the Order tolerate Purcell’s behaviour?

Do you think Richard Purcell should seek voluntary laicisation? If not, do you consider that he should be forcefully laicised and dispensed from his monastic vows?

Is there a culture of covering-up sexual misconduct within the Cistercians of the Strict Observance?

Today, would the Cistercians cover-up/ignore an allegation of sexual misconduct involving a child?

Because, if the response of the Order is anything to go by with respect to Richard Purcell — I am not convinced the Cistercians are institutionally capable of responding appropriately or swiftly to an allegation that involved an abbot and/or any other form of religious superior that involved a child. Do you accept that is a reasonable and proportionate inference to take in light of the callous indifference that the Order showed with respect to the known misconduct Richard Purcell?

So again, I asked the question — today, how would the Cistercians respond to an allegation involving an abbot with a minor? Is there a procedure within the Order that is to be followed if such an allegation is made? Is there a similar procedure for a non-ordained monk?

Again, this is a legitimate question, because of the known scandal on Caldey Island involving the deceased Cistercian monk, Fr. Thaddeus Kotik.

Due to my unique ministry, victims of misconduct often reach out to me because I am considered to be a neutral figure. Consequently, if an individual contacted me in the future and told me and provided demonstrable evidence that they were a victim of the deceased Cistercian, Fr. Kotik – would I be ignored by the Order? Would I still be dismissed as a crank? Is child safeguarding within the Cistercians nothing more than a sham?

In your first days as the new Abbot General, I would urge you to remind the Order that it needs to extirpate the deeply erroneous idea that abbots are incapable of wrong-doing.

When a number of individuals who have been professionally retained to commence canonical procedures to remove Richard Purcell — they remarked that the Constitutions of the Order of the Cistercians of the Strict Observance were dated, and needed to be updated to reflect contemporary safeguarding measures. And, that is something which needs to be reviewed and addressed by the Order as a matter of considerable urgency.

Let me assure you, I took no pleasure in exposing Richard Purcell. Indeed, I was very sad that I was forced to take this course of action, because Mellifont Abbey is a place that I love dearly and is very close to my heart.

As I believe transparency is good for the Church, I will place a copy of this correspondence on my blog; if you reply, unless you indicate to the contrary – I will publish your reply, however, for the avoidance of doubt, if you request me not to do so — then you reply will be kept confidential.

Respectfully, I remain,

Sincerely yours,

+Pat Buckley.

159 replies on “LETTER TO NEW CISTERCIAN ABBOT GENERAL.”

I feel those words, though. How many of us seethe at our bossman or superior? Cicero is an example for us too in how he calmly accepted his execution or assassination. Now dying well was a particular thing for the Roman, but it is still a model to emulate, insofar as we can as Christians.

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Safeguarding is indeed a Sham across the whole of the Roman Catholic Church worldwide because it is Consistently placed under the control of company men and women as a safe pair of hands. The only party the RCC will ever protect is within its own inner circle. They’ve learned nothing. You can take the horse to water but you can’t make it drink – we’ve seen that in multiple cases.

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More to the point, from the experience of an individual I know… who exactly are Safeguarding Directors guarding?

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“You can take a whore to culture; but you can’t bring culture to a whore” — Quote from the late Pete Burns, Liverpudlian transvestite.

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Pat, can I express admiration for the contributions of the “Protestant” on the blog yesterday.. His command of language, his cogency of argument and concise points were brilliant and his ripostes to you and RN were very brilliant. He is a breath of fresh air and the kind of commenter needed on this blog to counter the confusing contradictions of Robert, yourself and others. Please ensure he is a constant presence. Incidentally, I agree with his summation and analysis of Robert while still holding a respect for Robert’s faith and Catholic convictions. He impresses at times.

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Anon@11:59: Yes, your comment nicely sums up my own impressions.
I do enjoy reading sensible well argued comments whether I agree with their perspective or not. In this matter, I agree with much he said.
MMM

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9:33 So only Catholics are right?
Ever heard of a guy called Copernicus?
Jesus, you cathbots are stupid.

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At 11.59, and the others
Thank you all for the compliments.
I am new to the blog and have found it topical and interesting. I hope to contribute to discussion as often as knowledge of subjects allows me.
I know little about Cistercian monasticism and its ordinances, so perhaps shall comment on the subject later today when, hopefully, I shall know more.
As a Protestant, I have grown increasingly weary of being told that I am heading for perdition unless I accept Roman Catholicism; this, I believe, is what Robert Nugent was expressing recently.
Incidentally, I am disappointed that Robert has yet to pick up the gauntlet I threw down last night. He should understand that I am not going to debate him, on such an important subject as personal salvation, in the shadows of offline obscurity.
I shall continue to challenge Robert should he ever again on this blog make such outrageous, sectarian statements, implicit or otherwise, about Protestants, or about the faith of any other non-Catholic. We already have Michael Voris, of Church Militant, doing such things; we don’t need a clone of him throwing his sectarian weight around on the blog.

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I would be more convinced that you were actually an Irish Protestant if you weren’t
A Making a beeline for Robert Nugent as the cathbots do because of his focusing on the suicide in Thurles
B Talking about Michael Voris who is a minority interest at best for Catholics
C Expressing an annoyance at Catholics telling you you are heading for perdition. Far more likely the other way round.
Conclusion: you are one of the people tormenting Robert by making malicious calls to his family. You are certainly not Protestant. You might possibly be Irish.
You are far more likely to be a priest involved in Thurles because the likelihood of a random Irish Protestant coming here and going straight for Robert Nugent is miniscule.
Pat, you’re having your chain yanked here.

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You will be waiting a long time for Robert to pick up the gauntlet. He never answers questions put to him and when challenged he counters with an “I’m not constantly on the blog” response or else he invites you to address him privately via email.
I suspect that Robert doesn’t have the intellectual clout to address questions put to him by several contributors to this blog, including myself.
The word Cathbot is often used on this blog to deride those who follow the RC Church hook, line and sinker. Robert is exactly that – a Cathbot

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1.20
Are you Robert Nugent himself? Or one of his friends who is attempting to create a smokescreen around Robert’s apparent sectarian bigotry on this blog by making false accusation against me?
I was going to ignore your comment until I read your statement that I have been making malicious phone calls to Robert’s family. How dare you! That is absolutely outrageous and false. Make the accusation again, under your personal name, and I shall sue you for defamation. But you won’t, will you? Because you’re a coward.
I shall continue to call out Robert Nugent for what I believe to be sectarian bigotry on this blog.
IF I made a beeline for Robert, it is because he is such a honeypot: the man, by his words, makes attention of him inevitable. If he does not want attention, then he should not seek attention on such a public forum as this blog.
I could not ignore Robert’s comments about ‘one truth’ and ‘doing the Lord’s work’. They reek to me of Catholic triumphalism and of anti-Protestantism. They are deeply, and offensively, condescending. Only God may judge a soul in respect of eternal salvation, not Robert Nugent, nor anyone else.
The fact that Robert has neither answered my questions about those comments of his, nor denied them (he has had ample time to do so), strengthens my belief that my understanding of his words was correct.

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Gary Michael Voris is a tormented closet case, and even though his shoddy calumnous work causes much hurt to innocent parties, we should try pray for him. He thinks himself the Pope (dispensing his pal Patrick Coffin from any attacks or stalking or phishing despite his new found de facto sedevacantism) but he should he ignored, if prayer is not possible.

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IP 11:35,
I attended a Christian Unity service many years ago. The lady vicar spoke very well. It was a jolly good sermon. I believe in Christian Unity and celebrating what we share in common, instead of focussing on our differences.
It is understandable that you are unhappy with some of RN’s comments but your assertion that he is engaging in sectarian comments is completely wrong, from what I have seen and read.
Robert is Catholic and he is speaking to a Catholic people and people of the Catholic gene pool who might be struggling with their religion.
His words might reek of Catholic triumphalism to you and others but to twist that into being anti-Protestantism is completely unfair.
RN has a clear message in a Catholic context. If you are looking for trouble you will find it. You seem intent on seeking trouble instead of seeking a conversation about what is right.
From your comments, you haven’t created an atmosphere for meaningful conversation. You might want to take a look in the mirror before throwing your toys out of your pram because someone is not engaging in discussion with you.
You came on here yesterday evening expressing disappointed that +Pat hadn’t responded to you. +Pat was understandably busy. You have some cheek expecting a reply at the drop of a hat. You put 2 and 2 together and you did not get 4. On your attacks of RN, you also have put 2 and 2 together, you are also not getting 4!
Pax.

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6.15
Read my relevant posts again, more carefully this time. And with it, a less jaundiced, less irascible and hostile eye.
I asked Robert Nugent reasonable and legitimate questions about his usage of the phrase ‘one truth’ and his claim that if we do not accept this ‘truth’, then we cannot claim ‘to be doing the Lord’s work’.
I believe the phrase, ‘one truth’, meant ‘Roman Catholicism’ and that unless one embraces it, Robert believes that he or she cannot claim to be a disciple of Christ and, therefore, cannot be saved. I put all of this to Robert for clarification, several days ago, and he still hasn’t answered. This only strengthens my belief that my understanding of Robert here was absolutely correct. This being so, then Robert Nugent is a naked sectarian bigot, not only anti-Protestant, but anti-Semitic, anti-Buddhist, anti-Muslim … In fact, anti-ANYONE who happens not to be Roman Catholic.
You said that if I were looking for trouble, I should find it. Is this a threat of violence against me? I have screenshot this page (and other pages of the blog ) and am considering taking this page to the police as evidence of unlawful intent on your part. I shall consult my solicitor on the matter, hopefully tomorrow morning, and take her advice.
Let me make this absolutely clear to you: I have stood up to sectarian bigots on this island almost my entire life. The likes of neither you, nor Robert Nugent and his supporters, will ever deter me.
Be more careful what you say about me from now on, because every suspicious word will be screenshot and, if appropriate, used as evidence against you.

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IP 9:15, look for trouble: “INFORMAL
behave in a way that is likely to provoke an argument or fight.”
Anyone looking for trouble on a blog is looking to cause an argument. For at least the 3rd time you have put 2 and 2 together and come up with a result that is not 4!
You might benefit from taking your own advice: read relevant posts again, more carefully this time. And with it, a less jaundiced, less irascible and hostile eye.
Pax.

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9.51
I am happy, for your sake, that you have clarified what you meant by ‘trouble’. If only Robert Nugent had the same sense by providing the clarification I requested several days ago, none of this ‘trouble’ would have arisen.
Robert, to use the vernacular, ‘shit-stirred’ on the blog in recent days, but hasn’t had the manners to clean up his mess.

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Love that picture of Our Lord, “Jesus the Christ — in red robe” by Del Parson, a Mormon artist from Utah. For me it’s a very special painting which has provided both prayerful and joyous spiritual ncouragement on my journey and closeness with Christ since I was a teenager.
Thanks for sharing that, Bishop Pat x

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@ 1:19am!!!
Oh! Peter get a grip, your on the wrong journey if you think anything coming from the Mormons will bring you close to Our Divine Lord. Don’t you know they are Heretics, try getting more sleep to clear your mind.🙄

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@ 9:11pm
Oh! get a life ya stupid twat, consulting your solicitor and taking screenshots of the blog to show the police. I’m not interested in your heretical rants. I still hold Extra Ecclesium Nulla Salus whatever anyone on here say’s.

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IP: This, at 10:06, is an example of extreme religious intolerance. Such individuals often have small “brainpower “, but large, and loud “gobs”. Ignore, and do continue to comment.
And you, @ 10:06, three words from your comment stand out: “I’m not interested.”
Those words display your limitations. Full stop!
MMM

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The most likely response from the AG will be elected silence. It is very difficult to understand why the bishop allowed this situation roll on in his diocese for two years. Another ‘lame duck’ diocesan leader with a major credibility problem? I think so. Leaving hostages to fortune through silent inaction, particularly concerning such a public issue, is not very prudent. Which leads me to inquire- are there any other diocesan issues with potential to cause scandal, kept under wraps, silently but conveniently ignored?

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Purcell, the former AG, all those OCSOs who have been mentioned on this blog over the last year or so, will be living very nicely, thank you, backed up by the resources of the Cistercians. They will not be slumming it. I don’t know where they are, but you can bet things will still be nice for them. Remember, these religious orders have vast resources, and are able to support individuals comfortably and for a long time. It’s the sort of insurance policy that would take you and me many years and a lot of money to build up. It is definitely ‘us’ and ‘them’ as far as they are concerned, and they will most certainly be looking after the ‘us’. In stark contrast, a lay person whose behaviour in a personal and professional sense is questionable, would be out on his / her ear, and very much on their own two feet. Not for priests and religious, no having to go solo for them. They are all very nicely looked after. No matter what they have done.

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Yes. Reading the IICSA submissions about Ampleforth it was striking how often the abbey obtained a flat for the kiddy fiddlers to live in.

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Didn’t KOB get a pleasant house in the suburbs after he was ousted ? I’m not sure where Conroy is these days, but I’d put my money on him being in some grace and favour place financed by his own ex-diocese or the English and Welsh bishops. I mean, they will be thinking ‘but for the grace of God / or not getting caught go we” and so they would be inclined to make provision for one of their own. Understandable, but I do wish there was more transparency about it, since it is we who are ultimately footing these bills. The tradition and custom is to look after priests no matter what they have done, because they are still ‘us’. I don’t think it’s charity, it might be self-interest, but it is definitely a hang over from the ontological change and superiority that clergy believe of themselves by virtue of being ordained. It’s still alive and kicking.

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The regional Cistercian meeting for the monasteries in the UK and Ireland (plus a Norwegian monastery of nuns) will be held at a Bernardine Cistercian nunnery in the UK May 20th- 25th. It will be interesting to see just how many of the monasteries will be left
by the end of it, particularly in Ireland

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KOB ended his days in a 1970s bungalow in the north. He had a Jack Russell as a companion.

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Pat I will not be on for the next week as I’m going in for surgery. Have a lovely feast day on Thursday.

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I find it very implausible that nobody in Purcell’s original monastery of profession or at Mount Melleray knew about his sexual activity. Monastic life isn’t like diocesan priesthood or seminary, you are in each other’s pockets (lol) to a great extent and get to know each other in a way you don’t in a seminary.
Given what Pat says about another retired abbot and himself being approached, I think a more likely scenario is this: I think sexual activity has been looked on with indulgence by Irish Cistercians for decades and that is the real reason all their monasteries are in a state of decline, because this important aspect of their life isn’t taken seriously.
I haven’t heard of any but I bet any number of novices have left because of it.

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Very true. I know of one in Ulster who tells his ‘superiors’ their next move. I think he must know too much?

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Pat, you make a POWERFUL observation about child protection within the Cistercians. You are right that the indifference of the Cistercian leadership to the known sexual misconduct a high-profile abbot does not inspire any confidence that the order both on a corporate and local level is capable of responding to sexual misconduct involving a minor.

Readers of your blog will be interested to see how the Cistercians on Caldey Island have dealt with their known recidivist. It is noteworthy to see how the misconduct of the monk was addressed by the Welsh Parliament.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/caldey-island-kevin-oconnell-abuse-22343557

https://www.emmottsnell.co.uk/blog/caldey-island-child-abuse-sufferers-awarded-compensation

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/18/revealed-monk-who-abused-children-on-free-caldey-island-for-decades

Click to access Research%20Brief.pdf

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The Emmott Snell blog post reiterates the standard appalling treatment by the church of its clergy’s victims. But sure let’s ramble on about how terrible abortion is.

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Like the current harmartia of the Russian Jewish legend Roman Abramovich. A BBC investigation to be aired tonight will reveal the illegal ways he made his fortunes.

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Your Lordship,
Do relevant church authorities ever answer questions such as the ones posed by you on this occasion?

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@ 9:58am
You surely don’t expect them to reply to any unsolicited letters from you. Which they would consider to be impudent and impertinent from an independent ‘bishop’ who they don’t recognize.

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11:25am they have a well documented track record in ignoring or attempting to discredit anything or anyone that doesn’t fit in with their own narrative, agenda and interests and in the futile expectation that issues will “disappear” . Witches & Wizards, Puff The Magic Dragon 🐉 seems to be their modus operandi. Maybe Irish clergy are more wedded to Pagan Celtic origins than they prepared to acknowledge.

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11:25 Simple courtesy and good manners would indicate replying to a letter from anyone.

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Ex gay friend who ranted and raved about foyers of charity way back as he attended their retreat in UK or France, not sure.

But anyway I came across a priest name who’s associated with venerable marthe Robin a mystic and also a stigmatic as well.

Note that she’s a stigmatist and venerable (2014)as well. We’ll I couldn’t understand how she couldn’t spot or detect her spiritual director priest for years re his abuses.

What does that mean for us? Is she authentic or not cos She didn’t see it or her mystic power didn’t detect him or what?? Cos it reminded us of late Jean vanier’s abuses in the past.

https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2022/02/12/papal-delegate-to-govern-group-co-founded-by-french-catholic-mystic/

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Deaf Guy, do you mean your ex gay friend used to be your friend or used to be gay?
Your question about holy mystics not spotting things is right on point. 👍

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Anon at 10.49am
In reply to your question, he used to be my friend as we fell out. He’s avid TLM attendee in some places.

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@ 12:47 pm
Whatsoever You Do to the Least of My Brothers You Do unto Me – Matthew 25:31-46
No, Bella. They don’t recognise Jesus when He knocks on their doors.
They re-traumatize, gaslight, discredit, and treat survivors of church abuse appallingly.

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Ven Marthe Robin was totally a fake. For a start she claimed to consume only one consecrated host a week and no other food so is automatically a fraud. She also wasn’t quite as paralyzed as she claimed out and probably not quite as blind. Finally the contents of her writings are plagiarized from other people.
All together = total fraud.
And incidentally a high number of priests inspired by her have been accused of sexual misconduct of various sorts.

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@ 8:46pm

That’s only your woke opinion,to which you’re entitled, but there are others who don’t agree.
Who have the same rights as you wither you like it or not.

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9:29
It is fact, Bella. It might be uncomfortable but is fact. Inform yourself.
Christians are called to be charitable in thought, word and deed.

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Tony Rice is leaving the Reds and will be getting a Pp position in belfast next month. That will not go down well with ex colleagues of his who had massive run ins and fall outs with him.

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Stop being a troll. Everyone knows he left years ago and will not be a PP and has no interest in being one. Stupid comment and an attempt to muck rake.

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Pat you have spoke with Fr Rice before do you think there is any truth in this? From what I was led to believe he left priesthood a few years back.

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+ Pat, this is the best missive you have written on the Cistercian saga so far. You nailed it with your observation on child protection.

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In my humble opinion both Purcell and Fitzgerald resigned so the matter should be over. Dom Bernards should be allowed to start with a clean slate.

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I don’t think you can jump in and question Pat like that, especially when he is devoted to justice and fairness.

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11:01, from the detail I’m aware of, I’d agree with you but that’s from “the detail I’m aware of.”
There was a visitation and 2 resignations. People do not have to be Einstein to work out the part of the equation that resulted in 2 resignations.

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Israel needs to take all the Jews from Ukraine to aid their apartheid of the Palestinians and oppress these people

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11.02: Bernardus – a man of integrity and most definitely a cleaner slate than you, moral hypocrite. Such spiritual arrogance! God help you, Pat!

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11:22
And, how do you know? My God, the Rcc is stacked with moral hypocrisy, double standards and barrel loads of arrogance, spiritual and otherwise.

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Exactly, 11:44. The abbot general must automatically be a model of virtue and integrity.
They haven’t learned anything at all from the church’s many appearances in the crime news over the past few decades!

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@11.01

Dom Eamon Fitzgerald resigned because he was over the age of seventy-five (75), so he was obligated to present his resignation to the General Chapter. It is true that Richard Purcell also “submitted” his resignation. However, his “resignation” may not have been entirely voluntary. He may have been told either resign or face removal by a Decree.

The scandal was getting more and more traction due to efforts of Bishop Pat. In Ireland, the Cistercians failed to realise that the cover-up is always worse than the crime and their intransigence and their tacit protection of Richard Purcell raises very serious questions about how misconduct is dealt with within the Order.

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Am I the only punter who finds that photograph of Phonsie, in his hilarious little cap, utterly risible and preposterous?
Did he think looking that way gave him a spiritual and temporal gravitas that would impress the world? It speaks to me of his psychological insecurity, of his puffed up self-importance.
The only proper place for such garb is a Monty Python sketch, or a Mel Brooks skit on the Papal Inquisition.

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This reminds me of Dame Hilda Bracket saying that she could still get into her Brunhilde costume but didn’t wear it because the winged helmet made it a bit too dressy, even for the evening.

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11.42
Its original was the great Leo X who was said by Guicciardini four years after Leo’s death and by an anonymous pamphlet to have had gay lovers. He was the son of Lorenzo the Magnificent and the first of four Medici popes. He died in 1521 aged 46. Martin Luther was his nemesis.

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1.33

Well said. And truly said, too.

Yes, apparently, Leo liked to flirt with his handsome, young, male chamberlains.

Did I say Leo loved throwing lavish parties? During which enormous ‘cakes’ would be wheeled in to entertain revellers and out of which would spring … little naked boys? Delightfully and classically Greek.

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Down South the Irish Examiner is reporting today on Sex for Rent scandal in County Clare that targeted fleeing Ukrainian refugees as part of a wider ongoing investigation into this abhorrent practice in the current housing crisis.

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I thought the Rcc were custodians of infinite wisdom. Maybe there was a baton change?

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Robert Nugent is a Catholic Fundamentalist and as they say there’s no fun in fundamentalism because it’s intellectual suicide.
They use orthodoxy as a weapon to beat and berate and despise the Magisterium because they despise Vatican II – the Decree on Ecumenism blew Catholic elitism and outside the Catholic Church no salvation and taught spiritual ecumenism rooted in our shared baptism.

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1.47
Let’s not give RN any more publicity. He’s out of his depth. It’s not about him. He needs to fade and get on with his life.

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I don’t know about you, 2:01, but I’m talking about the ones talking about Robert, not talking about him.
You’d love me to shut up, wouldn’t you, ‘father’.

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7:57 But nonetheless indistinguishable in your symbiosis with the nearest priest. Sluuuuurp…

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Bishop Pat – How are you never mentioned in Derek Scally’s book? Were you ever even approached or called ?

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Pat, it was good to talk to you.Thank you for being so generous with your time, for your attentiveness and advice. I will do what you suggested. Please keep me in your prayers.

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3.09 The kindness of your comment to Bishop Buckley gave me some joy, it is so welcome in this forum. I wish you well in everything and am glad the good man helped you, as from my reckoning is his nature. Go well ! Courage!

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Pat talked to me too. He was such a help and he was really helpful in making me see that what I am faced with is a farce. I want to thank Bishop Pat. He has given me hope where others havent.

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Pat, you should stop printing the obnoxious, offensive comments about Robert Nugent. He may be impervious to the hurt but your printing them makes you complicit in hate speech. Disgusting hating trolls, you included.

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Pat, none of the criticisms of Robert Nugent today in any way constituted so-called ‘hate speech’; they each were legitimate comment. It is demonstrably unmitigated nonsense to suggest otherwise.
The anti-freedom-of-expression phrase, ‘hate speech’, is simply a more recent tactic for public censorship by those who are conceited and arrogant enough not to want their ideas, ideologies, and practices held up to public critique, a mark of fascist dictatorship. Putin is at this even as I type.
You said that Robert ‘told you’ not to refuse publishing comments about him, provided none were directed at his family. He ‘TOLD you’? This suggests a number of possibilities, not least that you were already and seriously thinking of refusing to publish ANY criticism of him and that Robert was aware of this. Am I right? I could understand your refusing to publish pejoratively personal remarks about him, but if you did, you would, to be fair, have to ban all other such remarks. A lot of moderating for you (and a sizeable chunk of your blog wiped out?).
If I am right about you, Pat, I hope you gave more serious consideration to banning comments from Robert that could reasonably be understood as expressions of naked sectarian bigotry.

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6.47: Then Robert is an even bigger ego and fool than I thought. Personally, I think he is an attention seeker. He won’t answer legitimate questions and he never responds to the issues raised. He is, rightly or wrongly, using your blog to lecture all of us about our Catholic faith, morals and spirituality or lack thereof. It is not his business to rant in admonitions about “us” straying and perditious folk!! Robert, we’re getting there….Don’t worry.

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6.47: Pat, use your own discernment. You and Robert seem like drinking buddies at this stage. You obviously speak frequently with him. He gives YOU permission! Imagine. Gives you permission to print anything as long as it’s not about his family. No one should ever intrude on his family but Robert is very foolish or very naive not to know that blogs and social media sites are nasty and vicious. Also, he has given away too much information about his family on his videos. Pat, you are tough and so I think you have a duty of care for Robert. Seriously. Surely the commentary must hurt him?

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Oh, I see! You think RN should be above criticism?

Tell me: how do you normally address RN? My Lord and my God?

As IP said above, RN is on a pblic forum, this blog, therefore he’ll get a public response. Not all of it will be favourable. Tough!

The words heat and kitchen come to mind.

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+Pat this is a carefully crafted letter, but I highly doubt there will be a response, even if another situation arises. It would be liberating for the Trappists if they came clean about how Mt Melleray lost its young abbot (although their site seems to have long fallen silent https://mountmellerayabbey.org/news). It might mean some minor fuss in the yellow press, but this publicity would allow the appointment of a new abbot and a new page turned, to be well and widely known.

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8.03: I agree mostly with your well reasoned arguments but I believe some comments are deluberatsly aimed at Robert is a nasty, vicious and hateful manner. Any words or language which deliberately elicits expressions of hatred or vengeance against any person is, to me, hate speech. Perhaps sir, you haven’t read past editions of this blog to recognise the existence of hate speech. However, I also believe that Robert invites much oppribrium against himself because of his unwillingness to answer questions and to justify his “lecturing” in very strident ways, a lecturing that’s biased, judgmental and very black and white. Robert has a tendency to use this blog simply for his Catholicism, which I admire, but he should stop lecturing us. And more relevant, he must be prepared to be more forthcoming in explaining his opinions. Pat seems to want RN on his blog – strangely!!

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8.57 I would like to posit something. Robert Nugent is not anonymous on this Blog. Most are anonymous. Must Robert answer questions put to him in anonymity? I do not share his world view or approach but there is a terrible inequality in an individual with the integrity and honesty to declare himself( for whatever reason) being harangued to account for himself to insistent anonymous Individuals or collectives?

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Hey, Bill! I know this will probably go over your head, but Robert Nugent knew beforehand that commenters on this blog post for the most part anonymously. He CHOSE to address them in this way, therefore he must accept that they can challenge them in this way.
Not rocket science, Bill, but to you it probably is. 😅

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Robert has replaced MC as the clerical/cathbot scapegoat because Robert has rattled clerical cages big time so he must be doing something right. Wait for the rants!

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9.34 Of course he can be challenged!!!! But if the person answering a question doesn’t know to whom they are speaking, their obligation is much diminished. There were more manners in the world before social media… you can jump up and down and howl at me with your capital letters. Of this I am sure, manners to those not as gifted as yourself you do now extend… you do not have any manners Blogger . I am flattered you used by name!

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I’m sure Robert won’t be reading comments today given the circumstances. Maybe pray for the RN’s family today. Pat have you been in touch with RN recently?

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Martin at 8.40, do you believe that any reporting which elicits what you call ‘hate speech’ should be banned? If you do, then newspapers (and the media in general) should not be allowed to report on such matters as aggressive war (Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, for example), murder, child abuse, rape, etc.
Seriously, Martin?

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9.10: I believe Robert is a good person, a good Christian and very committed to his Catholic faith. He is nowhere near being a MC, thankfully. Robert has a mercy and kindness in him. He is an easy target because of his fundamentalist approach which he’s entitled to be. Therd is a jealousy or an annoyance by some people that he and Pat are “close” and collude together. He has integrity but he must also answer honest questions put to him but not the crappy stuff thrown at him.

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9.34
Robert is not entitled to a fundamentalist approach if it involves indicationg to non-Catholics that, because they are not Catholic, they are not ‘doing the Lords work’.
I should not have to state that Jesus said we are not to judge one another.
Robert is playing God with his apparent judgementslism, and naked sectarian bigotry. These are sins, not grounds for describing him as having ‘mercy and kindness’.

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9.49 “ Irish Protestant “ I agree with you in this comment. Robert is like a lot of Roman Catholics. Please accept what I say sincerely; what they represent is not worth bothering with, I did it for over fifty years. Most of them like Robert and the bishops believe in “ The Church.” Their church…. They don’t care who they hurt and would crucify the like of Davids descendant if he fronted up to them. Mind you, you represent yourself as Protestant, my opinion is many of them are very Catholic… Roman Catholic even… no insul intended. You know what the Muslims used to do with the practicers of Tantra that they found? They used to tie the four limbs to four elephants and drive the elephants away. People with Creeds have always been the same.

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What is the catholic church position on salvation for those outside the catholic church?

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10:05 The Catholic church took significant disciplinary action against a Jesuit priest, Fr Feeney, who taught that there was literally no salvation outside the church. So it obviously doesn’t believe there is no possibility of salvation outside it.

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10:24
Who in the catholic church took the disciplinary action? His Jesuit superior?
I’m curious to know the official position of the catholic church.

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Bp Pat, at least the new Abbot General knows you will exert your authority over her if she ever steps out of line.

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Not being funny but the subject of the blog today is Pat’s letter to the abbot general and the cathbots have successfully changed the subject to Robert Nugent….. again.

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10:31
Exactly. Robert is a convenient scapegoat to simultaneously distract from the subject
matter of the blog while venting nasty rants on the man because he threatens some commentators. MC was another scapegoat.

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10.42: MC deserved all condemnations. He was a brutish, horrible and bullying person. Robert is very much more likeable. I suspect the “cathbots” are all disaffected former Catholics. I’m a priest and while I don’t agree with all of Robert’s analysis or views, I don’t feel threatened. I think Robert is being used and abused deliberately on this blog to fill acres of comments!! Sadly, he is caught in the vicious crossfire. I think Pat should only allow comments that are relevant to the topic of the day. There are too many irrelevant and superfluous comments today.

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@ 11:07 pm
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” (John 13:34) “Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. (Luke 6:37).
MC challenged catholic ideology, including ministerial priesthood, while Robert does not challenge catholic ideological positions, hence bad/good split. Read yesterdays comment in relation to former bishop of Waterford William Lee and the matter in Thurles highlighted in the last month by Robert. It might give you an insight into rants vented against him. Robert is challenging clerical hypocrisy, which is a no no, particularly coming from a layman.
The clergy have literally elevated themselves above the Gospel in order to protect themselves, their interests, their careers, power, finance, how the institutional church is perceived publicly,etc.This is evidenced in reports into systemic worldwide clerical abuse and cover up -the antithesis of the Gospel. (More reports to come in due course).
I find it laughable but instructive, the number of commentators trying to influence and manipulate Bishop Buckley into what comments to allow on his blog. Shutting people
up and covering up are like hands in a glove.

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