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FATHER DAVID VARD INTERVIEW

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https://www.rte.ie/player/series/the-tommy-tiernan-show/SI0000001918

DAVID VARD gave a very good and confident interview.

His appearance was very good and neat. He spoke well and did not appear to be nervous.

So, a very well done interview.

BUT

When a priest goes on national television to explain and justify his life and the “goodness” within the Roman Catholic Church, he does set himself up to be both lauded and challenged.

He stated that he “fell in love with God and the Church” when he was 18.

I can say that the same thing happened to me – but while I remained in love with God, I fell out of love with the Church – because of what they were like and did to me.

Father Vard has declared before all of Ireland that he is both “celibate and chaste”.

But when Tommy Tiernan said to him that if he had sex it would NOT be a sin – Father Vard agreed with him.

But that is NOT the teaching of the Church he loves.

The Church he loves requires him not to have sex at all – even with himself!

Thankfully, like Amy Martin and Brian D’Arsey, he did not go on to say he would have loved to be a husband and father but had sacrificed all that for God.

But he did say that being married and being a priest would be UNFAIR to his wife and his priesthood both.

What about all the good married priests and ministers?

Are they not as pastoral and good as celibate priest? Does it take away from their marriage?

MAYNOOTH

Father Vard was ordained in Maynooth in 2017.

That means he went in there in 2010 or 2011.

It also means he was there for the Maynooth Summer of Love in 2016 and the “Strange Goings On” (Diarmuid Martin) in the years leading up to it.

I have NEVER heard that Father Vard took part in any strange goings on.

But surely, he was aware of it. If he said he wasn’t, then he is either in another world or lying.

I suspect that Father Vard is gay. And, indeed, he may be the most holy, chaste, and continent priest in Ireland or the whole world.

But now that he has appeared on national television to talk openly about himself, his life, his chastity, and the goodness of the Roman Catholic Church, a lot of integrity will be expected of him.

Remember Old Michael Rasputin Cleary on the Late Late Show promoting no contraception and no sex before marriage – while all the while sleeping with women and making babies.

RASPUTIN CLEARY

And our friend Brian D’Arsey stayed with Michael Cleary every week for years in Dublin and NEVER SAW NOTHIN 😀

“Pull the other one”, Brian. There’s bells 🔔 on it.

A PICTUREFOR UKRAINE

147 replies on “FATHER DAVID VARD INTERVIEW”

Well said Pat.
It was a good interview and I’m sure this priest is doing a lot of good.
I too suspect he is gay and so what.
Except he’s left himself open for very close scrutiny at the tender age of 30.
He did seem appalled at the crime and corruption at the heart of the roman Church here with their perverted enslavement of people, rampant sex assaults on innocent children,selling babies and burning and burying them in sewers. No to mention the sick Clearly living a hypocritical life, condemning decent people and sucking up to the institution his entire,miserable life.

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I wonder about you people. I really do.
How do you know that Father Vard is doing good? You say you are sure he is, but how can you be sure? Do you know the man personally?
Doing good generally means having the money to do good. Cynical as this may sound, it is nevertheless true. Money does make the world go round, doesn’t it? But Father Vard does not work for a living; instead, he is financially dependent on others. Siphoning off the financial resources of even the poor. Technically, the man is a burden, most heavily on the poor. Is that really doing good.
It’s just presumptive prejudice, isn’t it? Father Vard must be doing good… because he’s a priest. It’s as elemental, and infantile, an equation as that. To you.
Have you learned nothing about priests (nothing at all) since the tsunami of sexual scandals started to sweep over the Church?
Roman Catholic priests should never, ever, be trusted, especially around children.

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1.30 a.m.
Prejudice and intolerant rhetoric of the kind the blog is used to from a heretofore pseudonymous source.

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1.30am: The one who was rejected years ago but who didn’t become the cornerstone in scriptural expectation. Rather, he turned out to be an insidious, nasty piece of humanity, the kind that would feel at home in Putin’s war terrorists. Hi Magna…..

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Bishop! Pat can you stoop any lower that this. Fr. Vard did not go on to tell his story, he was invited by RTE. Tommy Tiernan does not know who is guests are until they actually appeared on the show with him. Why do you feel it necessary to blog about this young priest who I believe is a very good priest? Yesterday a comment was made by a person he/she stating that Fr.Vard told Tommy Tiernan that he had not had sex for seven years – this statement was libelous and same is being taken care of. You, as the owner of this public blog then followed with a comment which said “He’s 30 now. So, he has not had sex for 7 years – 2015? He went into Maynooth at 18 and has not had sex since he was 23. Does that mean he had sex in Maynooth. And was it with a blonde female? What a scurrilous comment to make about him. Note has been taken also of other comments in relation to Fr. David with reference to him visiting Tommy Tiernan’s house. Give it up Pat this man is a young priest and deserves credit by everyone for his interview last night.

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He could have declined TT’s invite?

TT invites guests he is told about and wants to talk to.

TT gave David a very soft interview.

Why?

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What a stupid comment at 9:14. If Putin was invited to be interviewed he would still be a megalomaniac genocidal war criminal but on your reckoning it shouldn’t be talked about.
Your moral sense has been formed by the Catholic™️ faith, hasn’t it?

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I suspect David will have a spectacular fall from grace. He is setting it up for himself.
We remember him in Maynooth waving his wand about.
Nice, sincere but repressed.
God Bless.

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Why is RTE still doffing its cap to the RCC? The interview was too benign for my taste.

A state broadcaster should not be a showcase for a discredited and dysfunctional institution like the RCC.

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10:46pm Exactly, Well Said. The RCC should be sanctioned like Putin until it resolves its outstanding business with all its abuse victims and survivors. Ironic that the experts on censorship of the truth are facilitated in utilising the State broadcaster in this way.

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Fr David Card is full of shit. Who does he think the is to go on TV and talk like he does about falling in love with God and his calling. Load of bollocks. Such self serving and self aggrandising shite. He’s full of the usual clerical ‘look at me’ narrative. I’m so special. Ive been called. I prefer my clergy just to be quiet and get on with the job. Trouble is with Fr. Vard, having set himself up so, he is likely now to get shot down. I guarantee there are a few stories there to tell, and having exposed himself in such a precious and self-important way, he can expect those stories now to be told. Watch this space.

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11.26: You have all the finesse of a rhinoceros in a bathtub, smashing all around you with your faux outrage, infantilic outburst and are most likely, a rejected seminarian or a hating ex cleric or just simply a monstrously ugnorant plonker. Tame that dangerous madness…

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11.35, the saying bull in a China shop works cos a bull could fit into a China shop. But a rhino in a bathtub? Nah! Doesn’t work. 😀

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11:26pm Most of them are full of shit in different ways. Our PP isn’t gay, he’s not into women either but he sure as hell spends a lot of time and energy defending the indefensible and deliberately overlooking what’s in the interests of RCC to overlook.

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The falling in love with the church rhetoric is just wrong in every way (the bride of Christ thing is as well). It suggests that the church is a lover and that it is a transferral of a sexual relationship.
Whereas in reality we know you don’t make love with the church, rather it fucks you over.
You, Pat, being a case in point.

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Servile clericalism very obvious in this pat, far-from-probing interview.
The host fawningly, flowerily, presents Vard’s ordination as ‘a journey into love’. (Shades of Patrick Kavanagh?) Vard reiprocrates, of course, by speaking of priesthood in much the same elevated, romanticised way. (And why wouldn’t he? He had this host eating out of his hand.)
I’m disappointed, but not surprised, that, after all the damming paedophile/ephebophile scandals involving priests (especially Irish priests on Irish children), an Irish state broadcaster could still, unabashed, present accession to Roman Catholic priesthood as some sort of selfless, heroic, ‘journey into love’. It was not short of absolute farce.
If the so-called ‘journey’ had been described (more honestly in light of all the terrible, clerical sexual scandals), as one of utter self-love exploitative of others, then not only would it have made more sense and been more honest, but it would, too, have been much, much more credible.

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12.47: Helen, whats “ating” you? Your journey into love must still be in its early stages or perhaps hasnt yet begun. If you truly are a woman, what man would desire a pain like you? He would need to be blind. You present as someone who, if in any position of authority or service in the Church, would be bossy, intolerable, condescending and very off putting. Your type has ruined many parishes. Are you a feminist crack pot ideologue, who, not happy with destroying the beauty of womanhood, as exemplified by my mother and sisters and many female friends, are now seeking to smash men and masculinity? Father David should not be mocked by your derogatory, arrant nonsense and confused thinking. (Secretly, i think youre a man!!).

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I’m not convinced Father Vard is of the marrying kind. I think he’s on the other bus. I find when clergy go on about the ‘pain’ of being single, of not being able to marry or to have a family, and what a generous sacrifice they are making for God and the Church, it is usually an attempt to move the focus away from what they really are. Namely, they really don’t want to get married, they really don’t want to have a family, they really don’t want a heterosexual relationship, it really does suit them to be single and to engage in other interests and predilections, usually homosexual. It’s a feign to move the attention away from what they really are. If they were very serious about their ‘sacrifice’, then they would just get on with it rather than telling us about it. So, the Father Vard’s of this world, stuff a sock in it, and spare us your ‘pain’ and ‘sacrifice’, Please ! It’s boring !

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@ 5:59am

You’re right it is boring, you lot have judged him already, before anything negative has been reported about him. I hope you’re proved wrong that will sicken you, ya shower of evil gossips.

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5.59
For your information, in this country, the marrying kind includes all that which you assume is excluded. Keep up.

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So far, David is being kicked about. What is the necessity of doing this? 10.46 – your comment is nonsense. Why shouldn’t RTE allow hum be interviewed by Tommy Tiernan? I have no problem and thought he was very good. Now, because he’s being targeted by this blog, he’ll need our prayers for his protection. Think for a moment about the real thrust of this blog…Think. Reflect. Then pray for guidance.

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He is not been kicked about on this blog.

He chose to go super public by appearing on national television.

In return, we have the right to discuss him and what he said – given the public nature of what priests have done.

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9.15: Pat, you have very strange values. Sorry, while you do a great deal of good, for which I admire you, there are, regrettably, sub texts and innuendos to commentary, which are very disconcerting. Nothing untoward has been levelled against him, yet you legitimise subliminal speculations. There is no argument to justify the targeting of Fr. Vard. I will pray for this priest that he will be strong within to survive the suggestive, skewed commentary today.

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Father Vard went on national television to publicly discuss his life – including his celibacy and chastity.
He and his comments are now matters of public interest. Simple! given the fact that he is the youngest priest in Ireland and that the RCC priesthood is now in disgrace nationally and internationally.

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Yes but Pat, his sexuality is none of our business unless it becomes a story of interest.

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Given the fact that a great number of RC priests are sexual hypocrites, the sexuality of a priest who speaks out nationally about his celibacy and chastity, is a matter of public interest.

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3 priests were treated terribly by Ryan Tubridy years ago. There then was a sham RTE Investigates programme around the same time that falsely accused a priest. Ronan Keating then who was living a double life at the time was given a free pass by Ryan Tubridy! The hypocrisy and disgrace that is Secular RTÉ. Why do I pay my TV licence at all? Lyric FM however is good value for money.
Tom Tiernan to be fair interviews a full diversity of society. He had an interesting interview with a Buddhist monk years ago. I don’t think the Buddhist monk received the same negative critical attention.

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Pat at 9:55 the cathbots would love it to be about anyone but them, that’s why they keep rambling on about social workers, Anglicans, dentists and politicians.
Pro tip: trying to deflect to someone else when you’re caught out just makes you look an even bigger c***.

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9.49: Who authorised you, Hitler, to hound after your targets and slay them publicly? What a horrid person or specimen you are!! Aging is a bitch: it can do horrible things to your face, mind and body..

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9:53am The Maynooth Summer of Love has featured previously on this blog this is about Roman Catholic Church related corruption. The Buddhist Monk is obviously not a Roman Catholic.

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I remember a book of Fr Cleary which considered card playing by young men the downfall of Ireland. Fr did sound sincere when he pushed back at those grumbling when he spoke of the Yugoslav War during his radio show. For all his faults at least Fr wasn’t as depraved as Eamon Casey whom the usual people were trying to make out was a holy saint in his final years. Given how he acted towards his niece, I would press x to doubt.

I suppose Tubs doesn’t go on too much about the scourge of cocaine abuse, My licence fee pays for his artificial energy. There are people who avoid paying it. I am minded to research that. I really don’t give a fiddle how they interview priests to be honest. They are bloated and their output is generally terrible. RTÉ are obsolete. A Spotify playlist is better than Lyric with none of the annoying hosts like Marty Whelan. RNaG is about the only service of theirs which is reasonable, and that barely justifies that bloated monster which is RTÉ.

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12:19,
I’m listening to Marty in the Morning on Lyric FM as we speak/type. He hosts a good show as does Lorcan Murray in the evening and George Hamilton on weekend mornings.

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I remember those 3 gay priests. Two of them left. One of them is a humanist without humour

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9:11
Bishop Buckleys blog is about exposing corruption, abuse and criminality in the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland and internationally. Exposing corruption abuse and criminality in the Roman Catholic Church appears problematic to many commentators. Think, reflect, seek guidance from the Holy Spirit, and ask, what does Jesus desire.

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To me david is a typical gay person who is blessed with a kind people caring and sensitive personality which is so typical of gay people and why i believe they make wonderful priests nurses and social care workers. Sexual relationships should be treated with honesty and david says he tries his best to stay celibate so does that mean he broke the seal of celibacy and if he did its a pity he could not discuss. All this going on in the back ground its like an omerta. Robert nugent cannot find out what happened to the young seminarian in thurles because of threats to the family. Why a good journalist wonnt write a good piece about all this is confusing me.

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I for one will be watching Fr Vard from now on like a hawk. He has foolishly allowed himself to be ultra open to public scrutiny by going so public on RTE.

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Don’t take your eye off all the other clerics though – the bizarre posturing about being in love with the church is the norm, not the exception.

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@10.54am Don’t worry any hint of scandal, wrongdoing and hypocrisy by clergy will be reported to Pat and his blog..

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9:47am This was a cynical and ill-judged PR exercise by Fr Vard and his Superiors. One wonders why Vard would take it upon himself to publicly reference his previous sex life? The comment he made about a member of the public showing concern for his young nephew – surely he must understand that insult was added to injury when details of coverup, ignoring & moving clergy about came to light. Do we take it that Fr Vard was aired on RTE in a clumsy attempt to counteract all of the recent programmes about ongoing and unresolved RCC related abuse, slavery, baby selling, burying and so on.

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Fitzgerald is yesterdays news, tomorrows chip shop wrapping. Killaloe have filled all their ash buckets and planning to create more.

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What is the official Rcc teaching on sex outside marriage? Are sexual fantasies no longer considered impure? Is boiler house bonking not sinful?

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According to the RCC

Sex outside marriage is a serious sin.

Sexual fantasies are IMPURE THOUGHTS and must be confessed.

Boilerhouse bonking is disordered and sinful.

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Actually even masturbation is mortally sinful and a violation of celibacy.
The traddy guides for getting (lol) well behaved clergy and religious before Vatican 2 all said that a seminarian or novice should be dismissed if he hadn’t stopped masturbating through the noviciate or seminary.
Does anyone seriously think that ever happened?
Has any seminarian or novice ever voluntarily left because they couldn’t stop masturbating and so couldn’t live a celibate life?

It’s all a mammoth confidence trick.

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https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-americas/2022/03/chiles-new-leader-puts-bishops-on-notice-over-legacy-of-abuse-scandals

Chile’s new leader puts bishops on notice over legacy of abuse scandals
By Inés San Martín
Mar 19, 2022.

” ROME – Gabriel Boric, the charismatic former student activist who swept to the presidency in Chile last December and is now the second-youngest head of state in the world, marked the end of his first week in charge on Friday.
There’s at least one group in Chile clearly put on notice there’s a new sheriff in town – the country’s Catholic bishops, who presided over the most massive clerical abuse crisis anywhere in Latin America.”

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David Vard was very young in Maynooth, he was very quiet and almost afraid of his own shadow. I’ve always thought a wonder that he was never dragged into the “strange goings on” at the time; he certainly seemed the type who could have easily been manipulated by others.

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10.38: But it’s legitimate for you, Pat, to elicit and facilitate mental, sexual, emotional and spiritual hurt on your blog by horrible commentary today. Do you not realise the vile ugliness of the comments today? Fr. Vard deserves respect and kindness. You are a huge, immoral hypocrite.

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6.25

No, Fr Vard does not deserve respect. Respect is earned.

Fr Vard willingly gave obedience to an institution he knows is morally corrupt all the way to the papacy. By doing so, Vard has expressed gross DISRESPECT to every man, woman, and child ever hurt by the institutional church: by priests, in other words. Men just like him.

I have nothing but contempt for any man morally weak enough to do such a thing.

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Helen 7:39,
Respect can be earned but it is no reason for disrespect. Who are you or I to judge anyone?
“There are eight principal faults which attack mankind; viz., first gastrimargia, which means gluttony, secondly fornication, thirdly philargyria, i.e., avarice or the love of money, fourthly anger, fifthly dejection, sixthly acedia, i.e., listlessness or low spirits, seventhly cenodoxia, i.e., boasting or vain glory; and eighthly pride.”
The call during the Lenten season is to take the steps away from pride towards humility. No community is perfect.
Pax.

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If you can fall in love with God and say in the same breath that you’re also in love with the church, you aren’t living in reality.
If you can go through the summer of love in Maynooth and claim to be unaware of strange goings on, you have ignored them deliberately.
If you are a priest and claim never to have been aware of any misconduct by other clergy or seminarians you are a liar.
If you are aware and haven’t done anything about it you are a moral weakling.
If you then keep claiming to have raised stuff and be against misconduct and abuse you lose any moral authority.

Because if you actually did anything serious to try to stop misconduct, abuse and corruption in the church you would be out on your ear.

This is why there is no such thing as a good priest.

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7.39: Helen, no one asked you for respect. You too must earn RESPECT. On the basis of your dismissive rants against Father David, you don’t have my respect. I suspect you are of the view that were women to be in roles of administration, ministry, management and organisation that we’d have a purer, more just and kinder, Christ like church. Perhaps. But on the levels of interaction and involvement I’ve seen over 40 years in parishes between women, I do not believe in any such assertion. At every possible opportunity I have affirmed the vital presence of women in Church life. We need complete change. Have you a VISION apart from criticisms?

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8.52

As Pat would say, an old building must first be demolished before a new one can be put in its place.

Consider my criticisms necessary demolition.

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10.59: Very fallacious thinking. Of course there are good priests. It’s nonsense to peddle your lies. It doesn’t suit your agenda or narratives. God bless Fr. Vard.

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They don’t like it up em at 11:27. What am I saying? If 11:27 is a priest of course he likes it up him.
Duplicitous hypocrites all.

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Of course there are good priests. They’re sought after in the Boilerhouse and probably even have tripadvisor reviews.

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11:49. The Cathbots don’t care if all their bonking clergy are in The Boiler House every weekend, but they just spit venom when it’s revealed on this blog. Bishops couldn’t give a monkeys, if they did, they’d be outside checking for their errant clergy. They do not want to know and that says it all.

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I think it’s rather embarrassing, for any man, that has chosen to be a priest – or is one. As a lay man – we all sit back and laugh at your ridiculous choice of chastity – and even more so, your sad attempts to actually be celibate. 2022, one of life’s ‘free’ and ‘simple’ pleasures, and you lot are abiding by rules that were not even set by JC himself. David Vard, I wouldn’t be so confident and proud of your celibacy, for the world and her people laugh at you.

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Our priest was caught out last week. The man he meets regularly he has told us parishioners that it is his nephew. When a neighbour of mine looked after the ‘nephew’ after a recent stay in hospital she asked how his uncle was. Much to his surprise he said they were ‘friends’ and were not related at all. It could be innocent enough but I highly doubt it. Fr needs to go to confession.

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12.46: Was this your excuse….live in lovers or visitors were your nephews or cousins…

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This was old time when the nephew was often just one of a Pope’s sons or grandsons and the best of them had a specific office, the Cardinal Nephew. Paul III made one grandson Alesandro Farnese the Cardinal Nephew, and another Ottavio held dukedoms in the Papal States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal-nephew#/media/File:Tizian_068.jpg). Now for the man love aficionado, Julius III met a handsome youth, Innocenzo in Naples. This ill named Innocenzo was adopted and became the Cardinal Nephew and sharer of the Papal bed, although later he became known for forcing his way with women. We should be happy that this weakness of character among Popes mostly tended towards the rare after certain periods of malaise.

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12.45: Who paid you to make up so incredulous a story? For God’s sake, this is utter childishness. A whopper of a makey up story…Mills and Boons might give you a slot for your fiction.

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Gary @ 12.45pm You are the one needing to wash youd mouth out and go to confessiob. A made up fantasy story if ever I read. Pax

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You certainly like stealing lymy identity. Obvious jealous of my modest,fair and intelligent comments. I can also write several sentences and paragrahs.
Pax
Garngad Lad

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David’s fall from Grace will be spectacular and that interview will haunt him and his future husband forever.

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Gay sex is just lust, not love. David is rejecting lust for true love – God. Only unintelligent people can not grasp this concept.

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5.50 “ Pete”, from your comment it is clear you’ve had some! Yours was lust. Hemingway says it the stuff of immortality.

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5.50, ack sure there’s nathin’ wrong with a wee bitta lust now.

Whoo-hoo!😈

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4.55 Your comment is as ridiculous as this Blog has ever presented. The life of all men and women is an evolution. “ Fall from grace” is for the immature in that context.

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Why is anyone interested in what a priest has to say these days anyway? Is it Cus he is young and handsome?

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I suspect relatively few today give any credence at all to words spoken by a Roman Catholic priest.

One can understand why.

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Pity you feel that way, Fr. Helen. You must feel very disaffected in your parish and so unhappy in your priesthood that you come on line and pretend to be a woman. Tragic fella indeed.

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I watched the interview. I wish David Vard well. Until he appeared on screen, I had never heard of the man. He seems very personable. I have no comment to make on anything he said out of a respect for his person at this time. Seven percent of human communication is verbal. David’s right foot made tapping at certain times in the interview… a behavioural communication… one would need “ an expert “ to suggest what might have been what was being communicated. However, it was the rapport between Tommy ( I really like him as a human being… he got up Drennans nose years ago and Drennan gave him what’s for it publicly) and Father David Vard that was extremely interesting as television. Tommys pupils were heavily dilated, he was gentle and kind on his guest… for whatever reason. David Vard was very comfortable with him. Tommys invite to his guest to his house/ home very curious. As I have Blogged before on this site, the most dysfunctional relationship on this island is between RCC priest and ( the) people. I remember years and years ago, Gay Byrne had as his guest William Shatner. Gay Byrne towards the end of the show said to Shatner ; “ Well, you are a lovely man Mr. Shatner.” That was decades ago. I found it a strange remark in the Ireland of that time. It’s the last time I recall on television what was presented on Saturday last in terms of a television encounter on a man’s “ story.”

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Priesthood attracts closeted gay men who feel they will be inadequate in bed. Nursing does not attract caring people now but people who see it as an opportunity to leave the country and are not smart enough to be a Doctor.
Teachers are bullies who have never grew up.

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5.58 There’s an episode of “ Sheldon” that makes exactly that point…. and she’s not at all happy!!! He is in hospital for his gall bladder removal.

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Two of our last ( present being one) three Prime Ministers in the Republic of Ireland are primary school teachers; the reason for so much malaise.

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Enda Kenny nearly slipped as he was climbing on board a ship. The photographers all had there lenses at the ready! Dr. Leo was on duty during Covid. Covid is still on going of course. Secular Ireland are no longer wearing masks in the shops. Pride comes before a fall.

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It’s 17.58, I would presume from all he said in his interview that David is preparing for the Angelus. I wonder is Tommy after that interview?

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7.45 Passports and National Boundaries will be gone in a few hundred years….a bit ahead of myself…..no wars over territory anyway ! Its T-Shirt anyway….at the moment with Ukrainian colours…but any day soon probably Chinese !!!!!! The Irish are pragmatic….it was Nazi in the last world war…..Anti British don’t ye know !!!!!!

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Falling in love with God at 16 and 17. “God is calling me”
Surely God was also calling the others in his class too at that time. I seem to remember you featured a picture of his classmates on a bus and this priest (then a seminarian) was photographed on that bus beside some who went on to feature regularly on this blog. He didn’t have the beard in the picture you featured on this blog.

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To Whom It May Concern

There is a tendency, even today, to believe that ordinands for the priesthood are somehow acting heroically, selflessly, and self-disregardingly for Jesus Christ. This delusion once held great traction across the Roman Catholic world, but is now in steep decline. Though, as I said, there is, sadly, still a tendency to see these men in such a rose-tinted way.

Every ordinand for the priesthood, especially those in the last thirty years, is, in my opinion, a self-serving moral coward and rogue, because he must have KNOWN that he was entering one of the most morally corrupt institutions in social history and must have known on whom he was turing his narrow back: not just on Jesus Christ, but on all the little ones who have been sent to horrible deaths after suffering terrible abuse at the hands of priests, and their protectors. None of these ordinands can claim that, as they were not involved in the sexual exploitation of children by priests and their protectors, that their hands are morally pristine. They can no more claim this than I could claim such a thing if I williingly joined the Mafia.

Ordinands to the priesthood these days especially desrve the deepest opprobrium, since they have expressed utter contempt and disregard not just for the sacrifice and person of Jesus Christ, but for the suffering inflicted on the innocent by the institutional church.

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Helen, I don’t throw idle bouquets….never did……I like you, I like your comments an awful lot. You are incisive, well-attuned and have the measure of the Zeitgeist. I do not intend to sound patronising, your comments are the most accurate I have ever read on this Blog. You clearly had regard for what is now in my word ” putrid.” Thank you, your words mean a lot to me.

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Only when these ordinands face up to their sins can the church be cleansed and start following the word of our humble Jesus who respected women and allowed them to partake in his mission. With all the cover ups i am beginning to understand why women are not allowed to the priest hood as the strange going ons of maynooth would not have happened if women were also there.

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8.44: You should open your eyes. Parishes undoubtedly are dependent on women to keep groups and activities going. Men are important too. Practically all conflicts I’ve seen in parishes have been between women competing for roles of responsibility, ministry and service. On a number of occasions I ended up referering awful arguments and conflicts and know of many a situation where the courts were involved in settling disputes. I guess we are all human and once we get a little sense of “power” we can go crazy…even after receiving Christ in the Eucharist.

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William Mulvihill do yourself a favour and get a bloody hobby or a new man. You spend too much time on here being irate.

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8.40: William never adjusted to his life outside the presbyterate. If we are to read anything about his persona from his confused writing style, he comes across as a deeply unhappy person, a loner, unsettled in spirit and always negative. Wonder has he found “love”? Would be nice if he did. Also he never told us about his new life or profession.

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9.06 Do you feel better now you’ve vented that ? Clergy may like to think of themselves as a profession. Nothing professional about them. Nor you…..

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9.06 Seldom has there ever been such a negative comment. Give me a few words to describe your emotional sate at this time? Are you jealous you don’t have the courage ?

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9.06 I have studied your comment closely to get the measure of you. ” Outside” says it all. About your ilk, so much disclosure!!! How is it “inside?”

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8.40 I shall do as I bloody well like….another schoolyard bully are you !!!!!! You should disengage from my comments. Nobody makes you read them.

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…..state……but I am so so confused…my writing style and all !!!!! Taking a walk on the beach….( question or statement)

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9.10: 8.14 and 9.48: Proof that William the Miserable is going off the rails. Such pathetic, psychological dysfunctionality at play in his words!! 8.40 is correct… Wills, get a grip. What are you on…?? Kites?

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8.40…..Irate you say….its that sort of a forum here……never many pleasantries ……Do you come here to be comforted and calmed. You have not learned much in discernment Blogger! In the absence of any honesty ( as usual) from clerics about the Vard interview , consider my contributions a distraction! Nulty must have clicked on here so many times today. You might even be Nulty!!!!!

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Good point- he is an angry unpleasant individual who spreads anger and unpleasantness. Upper Kileavey has never fully recovered from the damage he inflicted there.

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8.06: Strong words Helen. Very strong but most unfair to all priests. Your generation or that of your parents I imagine passed by the gates of orphanages and laundries knowing that all wasn’t well behind those walls but still passed by. That attitude by Church, society, politicians, judiciary and state was repugnant and morally bankrupt at many levels. That all of society knew doesn’t absolve the Church of any of its abuse but you cannot taint everyone with the same stroke. Do you believe that all Germans should still carry the shame of their war crimes against humanity? Do you believe that all politicians should forever hang their heads because of their collaboration in these abuses? What about inspectors from the Department of Education – they did nothing even though they were warned and told expressly about concerns. Should this agency be scrutinised? Helen, lastly, if you are interested about the future of the Church, do you believe that the Church would be a better, more caring, compassionate, transparent and more relevant if women had greater roles of ministry and service? After many years of ministry, my answer is yes. However accusatory and condemnatory you are of me as a priest, your attempt at an annihilation, while very honest and challenging, doesn’t deter me from continuing in ministry. No.

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8.41 Can you name one priest who has seriously contradicted his bishop on any subject/matter in public on this island in the last twenty years ( and remains a priest)…..? Cowards. Helen is very accurate, pity you find it so damaging.

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8:41pm Statistically you are probably over 50 years old and institutionalised – fact-check: you’ve sold your soul to the devil 👿.

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8.41
If you were ordained within the last thirty years, then I accuse you of nothing beyond your willingness to remain in service to an institution you cannot credibly deny is, like a bar of seaside rock, morally corrupt throughout.
My deepest opprobrium is reserved for those ordained within the last thirty years. As this time passed, knowledge of institutional crime undoubtedly grew and grew, to the point where it was undeniable and had become prevalent across the world. Even so, men like David Vard continued to present themselves, through promises or vows of ordination, to an institution hideously dark with the most wicked corruption.
Have you even the remotest idea what message this sends to those criminally abused by the institutional church? Your church? It tells them: ‘we support this institution rather than you’; ‘we believe this institution rather than you’; ‘and we are loyal to this institution, not to you.
Men like David Vard, given that they could not at ordination express ignorance of the true character of the institution they were willingly choosing to serve, are, in my opinion, the most contemptible of moral weaklings and cowards. They deserve the deepest opprobrium. In fact, they should be shunned in the streets, etc. In this way, I am at one with Charles Stuart Parnell over Captin Boycott.

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9.26: Helen – you didn’t answer any of my legitimate questions at 8 41 except to reiterate your earlier comments. Answers please not repeat comments. Come on Mr. Helen!!

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Helen has spoke some of the most sense ever composed on this blog. I second Bill. Almost all priests are cowards and hypocrites.

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Fr Vards interview is classic vocation trope they are indoctrinated to give out – par for the course, pedestrian, predictable and laden with repression at every level – they can’t resist talking about sex – he’s telegenic and articulate so he will tick boxes – the type Vinny like and seminaries roll out as models etc.
Honestly, boring and passé – change ye record as TT might himself say (and does) in a comedy routine describing a priest ‘as a big woman of a man’ I gather TT likes his clergy with something of the Baptist about them not these card board cut outs – although he did give him as easy time of it – wonder why?

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@9:24: ” they can’t resist talking about sex…..” you say. Spot on.
Quoting and paraphrasing from “1916: The Mornings After ” by Tim Pat Coogan:
“The three monotheistic global religions -Christian, Islam, Judaism- all use sex as an adjunct to religious power……..their concern with matters sexual often manifests itself (my capitals here for emphasis) IN AN OUTWARD APPEARANCE OF PIETY, ACCOMPANIED BY INWARD HYPOCRISY AND CRUEL AND UNNATURAL FORMS OF SEXUAL SUBJUGATION, ….eg, the fetid Irish Catholic impulse to control Irish female sexuality….”
Little wonder so many now see religion for the malign carbuncle it is, ….and now have neither time nor respect for it?
MMM

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Pat, as soon as you out up the new Blog headline, I intend to ask a very leading question. Hopefully, the many on this island who have a connection can help? Not free tomorrow!!

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