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WHEN PRIESTS AND NUNS COLLUDE IN ABUSING CHILDREN.

From Complicit Clergy

If you’re driving through Jefferson Parish, you’ll spot beautiful, abandoned buildings that sit on Barataria Boulevard.

Although the striking exterior of the buildings can quickly catch your eye, it’s the stories that happened inside that are haunting.

“As a child, I wanted to take my own life,” said Larry Polizzi.

A new lawsuit filed on behalf of Larry Polizzi, who lived at Hope Haven in his teens, alleges the horrific sexual abuse he endured while living there back in the 1970s.

“Instead of taking care of him, they abused him, pretty systemically and repeatedly,” said Jessica Arbour, an attorney for Polizzi.

The lawsuit names Father Sean Leo Rooney and Sister Alvin Marie Hagan as the perpetrators of the abuse.

“I’ve been ashamed of myself for many years and I feel, for what they done to me, from the time I was 14, they need to be held accountable,” said Polizzi.

The lawsuit itself goes after the orders this priest and nun belonged to the Salesians of Don Bosco and School Sisters of Notre Dame.

https://www.wkrg.com/crime/priest-nun-named-in-new-hope-haven-sexual-abuse-lawsuit/

PAT SAYS

This is far from being the only case where priests and nuns colluded together to abuse children.

There have been many cases where nuns were the ones to procure children for priests.

Nuns in Belfast performed this function to FATHER BRENDAN SMYTH.

Nuns would literally fling children into the room where Smyth was and then guard the door.

NEWRY

I have personally talked to a victim of priest and nun collusion in County Down.

A certain religious order priest would sit in a room at a girls retreat and the nun would fling the girls into the room.

The priest would then rape each girl with a largish crucifix.

On the way out, the nun would say to the girls: “Was that nice?”

What was even more strange about this is the fact that this priest and nun were from religious orders set up by St John Bosco for the care and protection of children.

ST JOHN BOSCO

CONCLUSION

The rape of a child is extremely evil.

The rape of a child with a crucifix is Satanic.

The rape of a child by the collusion of a priest and a nun leaves one speechless!

97 replies on “WHEN PRIESTS AND NUNS COLLUDE IN ABUSING CHILDREN.”

OH MY GOD – this is the most disgusting thing I have ever read about in the RCC. Wow Pat, isn’t this bad? Sick individuals they are.

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Wicked, it’s just horrible and wicked. Children are sacred for want of a better word — and must be treated as such. The hurting of kids or animals goes right against the grain; even more so the persons who encourage or condone these evils.
Just horrible this sort of thing is still happening.
Those who seek to do harm to innocence will always, I suppose, gravitate towards roles / situations where they can gain access. This creates for a very unhealthy environment regarding trust and having to make decisions. The damage caused by the bastards who commit these crimes is catastrophic, absolutely catastrophic. And there’s the ripple effect of the continuation of that damage.
However, safeguarding still must be considered a topic necessary and worthy for discussion; and should always be approached from a pro-active angle.

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The RCC is not holy, but successfully masqueraded as holy for centuries. This is what attracts evil: the APPEARANCE of holiness, not the genuine article.

Evil can work more insidiously and destructively in this circumstance.

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It is said that pure evil has an utterly foul, gut-wrenching, overpowering stench. And not just in Hollywood movies.
I feel physically sick for having read this blog, because what it reveals is a manifestation of unadulterated, unemphathetic, psychopathic wickedness against some of the most vulnerable and impressionable around us: children rendered helpless under the hand of religious authorities. And such wickedness has its zenith (is at its most scurrilous and capable of its deepest malevolence) when masquerading as an angel of light: as Roman Catholic priests and religious, the very people who would, like Robert Nugent, claim to have, and to be living, the ‘one truth’.
Why … oh why?!… do some Catholics continue to finance and succour such a blatantly evil institution as the RCC?

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Thank you @ 12:28: your excellent comment set me thinking: “Without priests and religious.” YES.
In the absence of any incontrovertible proof, it neither can be proved that there is, or is not, a God. By God I refer to a Creator and Maintainer of the known Universe.
Given this significant lack, as an atheist, I can quite accept as a possibility that there might, just might be a “God”. By this I refer to an infinite Being, who, for whatever reason, chooses not to make Himself known in any cogent fashion.
What I do NOT accept, are any of the religious faith beliefs being put forward as evidence for/of God. And, importantly by extension, I do not accept the relevance, significance, or need for any form of priesthood and its network of practitioners. It is totally based on spurious grounds, and is essentially bound up with power, control, and as we see daily all forms of abuse.
I do not accept that the alleged “good” provided by religion, its adherents or organisers, adds anything to the credibility of its religious beliefs.
MMM

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I wonder how many ‘saints’, like John Bosco, fiddled with kids.
Kiddie-fiddling by RC priests and religious isn’t a modern evil, despite what Mary Kenny seems to believe: it has existed practically throughout the history of Christianity.
It stands to reason that at least some of those clerics and religious canonised as saints were gorging on such putrid fruit as child rape and torture. And what better way to mask these dark proclivities than to have the perpretrator declared a saint? Why, ask the canonised Polish fathead!

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@ 12:46am!

What a pair of evil bastards, Hagan’s already received her judgement, with Rooney soon to follow, hell for all eternity for the both of them. I don’t think it was necessary for you to besmirch the memory of the great St. John Bosco or the thousands of Salesians who looked after many orphans for so long and who were grateful to them.They don’t deserve to be compared to that pair of degenerates

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It’s great that you are able to predict/know/decide who is going to hell- and who is already there. What an insightful person. Clearly we don’t need God when we have you.

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Evil and Cruelty does not even come close.
The physical pain those children went through must have been horrendous and the psychological damage will last the rest of their lives.
Just wait until these evil perpetrators die!
I would not want to be in their shoes, but hey let’s not spare any sympathy on them.

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I went to an Oblate Fathers school and that crucifix of theirs used to be the preferred weapon of choice for handing out beatings. Anyone familiar with their habit will understand; I was like their sidearm.

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Here’s the thing – at least for me – for me one case of child abuse or priest nun collusion is enough – I don’t need more than that to understand that corruption and cover up are part of the fabric, the very DNA of the RCC.
What I struggle with is the response – one bad apple doesn’t spoil the whole bunch argument- police officers do the same – but of course it’s not one bad apple it’s thousands of corrupt clergy if not tens of thousands and it’s not one bad apple it’s the bunch!!
So yes nuns colluding with clergy about right I’d say – where do superlatives of shock and horror begin and where do they end?

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When something disturbs your world view you try to reconcile the two things so I think the one bad apple argument is one of many ways RCs try to smooth out the cognitive dissonance between the idea that the church is holy and this sort of thing.
In fact they’re so busy trying to make this work in their own heads they haven’t noticed even noticed that the age of the internet has killed the one bad apple argument forever.
They also conveniently forget that ALL the bishops happily covered up crime for decades, following orders.

Really they could do with learning the difference between a church and a criminal cabal.

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The only human and moral response to the tornado of abuse in the Roman church is to be disgusted, conclude it is not what it claims to be and get out.
If you stay in you are supporting and facilitating abuse just as much as those nuns. Simple as.

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Priests who stay in the RCC are accessories to abuse, after the fact.

Laity who stay in the RCC and support it are also accessories after the fact.

A lot of priests want to get out but feel trapped.

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They do. Many a man becomes a priest to mask their homosexuality and also most feel they will be inadequate sexually. After a few sexual encounters they have this feeling affirmed and if not, that’s when they realise they have done the wrong thing.

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10.22
You are winding us up with that ridiculous question, aren’t you Shammy?
Go back to your devotions.

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Seamus, shouldn’t you be reading the gospel for the epiphany today? You’ve certainly failed in a basic duty of sense.

Unless, no it couldn’t be, yes it could, unless you’re sitting under a bridge with a club.

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9.41: Pat, such gross misinformation. You keep repeating this old “co-abuser” narrative. It’s a lie. If the Oratory was a more human, kinder and Christ like community, I think you’d have many more priests. I might even have considered the possibility myself but your arrogance and self righteousness is too ugly to ever want you as the Elder!!

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I don’t think you would ever give up your guaranteed lifestyle.
Every priest we’ve had and have are all financially self-supporting – hold down regular day jobs as teachers etc.

They receive no financial benefits here and there are no pedestals here.

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“TRAPPED”
Yes indeed +Pat. I’ve said it here before. I believe that it given financial independence, there would be a massive exodus of priests from the clerical straitjacket.
Financial security is however, just one aspect. I also believe, that when the “first flush” of altruistic faith beliefs diminish, many priests come to question the validity and basis of the religious beliefs they are expected to promulgate. Human weaknesses and diminished or absent faith add to the entrapment of clerics, some of whom, as we see, give over to base instincts of abusive behaviour
MMM

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MMM 12:12,
The community has been let down by individuals who’ve been hanging on to clerical status like leeches. Living a double life is terribly destructive.

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I knew Seamus was a troll but surely recycling the few bad apples excuse on today’s post cannot be intended seriously. 🍎

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1:48, a few bad apples is what you are saying. I’m not saying that. Attacking good clergymen and our good faithful is letting weak Episcopal leaders off the hook.
A bishop is not holier than anyone else. They are not better than the rest of the diocese. A bishop must truly stand in the place of Christ in the diocese.
St. Patrick preached to the rulers of the time. The rulers then communicated with their community. Leaders must lead or else they should not have accepted their Episcopal appointments.

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Governments should urgently legislate that schools be immediately removed from clutches of Catholic Church influence and patronage. Parents and Guardians don’t want clergy or their laity who surf their phones all day and night for rent boys and girls and disappear to the boiler house and other places like it at weekends around their kids. It’s all a sham only entertained because church owns school property and clergy involved in recruitment process resulting in substantial numbers of teachers being hired on basis of having a track record of family and other relevant “complicity” thus ensuring that complaints will be “appropriately harnessed” in favour of the RCC. Clergy handpick laity with “something to hide” to ensure complicity. The hard man family reputation also helps to cow others even when innocent themselves into silence or being encouraged & compelled into spreading diversion and misinformation about wrong doings in line with clerical narrative.

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@ 9.43. I totally agree that education should be completely removed from all religious affiliation, control or ownership. If that entails some form of confiscation, then so be it as necessary for the common good. Religious indoctrination is not education!
And as for “church property “, well maybe Henry VIII had the right idea, albeit for the ‘wrong reasons’. While such property is being slowly removed from church ownership by demographic changes and falling parishioner numbers it’s regrettable that monies thereby released is filtered back into the church’s clutches.
Just a pity no political party would propose any form of confiscation nor would the subservient laity back it.
MMM

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9:53am. That’s another well used rag. Our new parish priest used that in his old parish, using his foot soldiers to spread lies about parishioners he didn’t like “not being well”.

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What is the point of blogging about this wickedness day in and out? It won’t fix anything, won’t change anything. It just madden readers, fills them with a rage that has nowhere to go. Not just unproductive, but psychologically counterproductive.
If readers genuinely cared about the welfare of children exploited and ill-treated by priests and nuns, they would pray day and night for their conversion.
Satan attacks priests and nuns more ferociously than the rest of us because they represent what is good and holy.
If we are not praying and fasting for priests and nuns, then our hands are not clean either.

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Nice try.
When people know about the danger posed by this organization they can avoid it and certainly not support it. However there is a danger that people will fall for its ongoing propaganda and begging for money.
And you’d like that, wouldn’t you.

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10.34
I am the commenter at 10.02.
Your passive-aggressive cynicism does you no credit.
Justice here requires dispassionate evaluation. Just how responsible for these crimes are priests and nuns? They are under enormous satanic pressure to do the most evil things.
Yes, the affected children are victims, but so, too, are the perpetrators: they are victims of Satan’s malevolence and deserve our sympathy, not our reproach.
Pray for these priests and religious. Pray for all priests and religious. Fast for them, too. Support them in every way possible, and God will free their hostaged hearts.

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I think you’ll find educating the public about the risk they carry will be far more effective than fasting for them.
What do you do with the money you haven’t spent by fasting, give Father a nice bottle? 🍼

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12:35pm I know we only had Paddy’s Day last week & We know, Fr, there were plenty tee-shirts emblazoned with the words “the leprechauns made me do it”. What’s next, abusive priests & nuns parading around wearing tee-shirts stating “Satan Made Me Do It”? This Fr Diversion Tactics carry on will no longer wash, nice try.

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Bishop Buckley do you have advanced clearance for working with vulnerable people. I would be quite certain you have. Keep up your vital work of exposing the evil corruption of the RCC and its priests and bishops.

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I have received advanced clearance in the very recent past and have applied for an updated clearance in preparation for giving refugees shelter.

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10.15: Pat, the reality of being pastorally kind to people carries a risk. If we allow any man or woman into our homes for a chat, as is often requested, we run the risk of being accused of improper behaviour. Recently a woman called to my door seeking money but also needed to chat. Being a cold day, I invited her into my office space where she remarked on the “lovely” icons and ornaments on view. Eventually we chatted and I felt very fearful. It worked out fine but I am forever conscious of the necessity of boundaries. The dynamics of engaging with people has changed irrevocably. I hope vetting procedures will be professionally carried out in all who are housing Ukranians. They deserve only the best of safety, care and protection.

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I fully understand the risks, and any of us can be accused of anything at any time.

As someone who hopes to house Ukrainians I have applied for an Enhanced Clearance certificate.

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David Vard was named by The Irish Times on 1st January 2022 in Top 50 of Young Irish People to watch in 2022. His sister Charlotte Vard is interviewed with him on iCatholic, she is also very involved in Newbridge Parish.

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Usually when you say a priest is one to be watched it isn’t in a good sense.
I suppose the current generation of young priests have a disproportionate chance of being bishops because there are so few of them.
Given their reported quality on here that should be interesting reading.

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It is very bad to take on somebody’s name. Impersonation may be against the law.
Garngad Lad

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Regarding Catholic control of education schools, have had a chat with a guy from Renmore parish whose brother was abused by a priest (diocese of Galway).

During the chat, I found out more details that shocked me re his brother. That priest used his (diocese) day school to access a kid. Teacher was totally unaware of that priest intentions when he asked for kid who behaved well. That was in late 1970’s.

That story made me realise now that ANY priest can enter class in his diocesan school or jurisdiction and take a kid out of class. Teachers should be aware of that fact that any priest shouldn’t be allowed to take any kid out of class or any day school.

Such is their (diocesean or boarding) powerful control of educational schools which might enable some of their priests to access any kid in question.

One way is to strip rcc power in day schools or their schools involved in education and revert it back to state control.

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10:38am Yes, it beggars belief that RCC is legally permitted to have any access to schools. It’s impossible for teachers to question them as they risk their own jobs and reputations and colleagues on teaching staff and management board connected to clergy will drive final nail in coffin of their careers. Anyone in authority that needs the school system has to be careful of toxic clergy & their cronies.

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Very good point, DG. Yes, NO priest or religious should ever be allowed to remove a child from the classroom. Teachers should always be suspicious when this is attempted and should refuse to allow it, unless there is demonstrably good reason to the contrary.

Pat, DG has made such an important point that I wish it could be highlighted.

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12.33: Denis and Deaf Guy: You are both out of touch re: priests as chaplains and chairpersons of School Boards. All such personnel must be vetted, sign up, as other visitors, to a diary of attendance. In 43 years of ministry, I have never been in a classroom on my own nor ever taken children to the Church for rehearsals without teachers or parents to help with supervision. There are very clear protocols for teachers, chaplains, SNA’s and others regarding safeguarding issues, health and safety. These protocols are reflected on at every school board meeting. Audits are taken seriously twice yearly by designated personnel. Any priest who would “take” a child out of a classroom – something he cannot do in the first place – would be dismissed from any school involvement. It is just a preposterous notion to suggest that such a scenario would happen today. Incidentally all complaints I’ve dealt with in schools over 4 decades were mostly about bad or ineffective teachers…and so I am delighted that for the past 8 years my role is purely pastoral as chaplain. I’m sure Pat is well aware of the strict guidelines for teachers and clerics and any adult within the school environment. So, Denis and Deaf Guy, get your facts correct before you comment. It is very unfair to mislead or lie.

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12.53

It’s you who needs to get facts right.

I did not lie by saying that priests or religious take children out of classrooms: I said that they should not be allowed to do so without demonstrably good reason.

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Not being funny, 12:53 but you are using the word can’t in a creative way and also assuming that priests will stick by boundaries.
Hasn’t it struck you that abusers don’t stick by the boundaries and rules in place?
Haven’t you read here that Ampleforth Abbey put up an actual fence to stop the monks going in the school?

You have proved two things with your comment:
1. That you personally stick to the rules
And
2. That you don’t understand that abusers don’t stick by the rules, manipulate other people and even get away with abuse in plain view.

So I suggest you sit down and read Bishop Accountability until you do understand.
TL;DR clerics still don’t get it

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Anon at 12.53pm
It DID happen in a school in Renmare under rcc control or rcc education jurdisction. It took place in late 1970s. He was ex altar boy as well re chat with his brother. That’s 1970s where a diocesan priest could enter any classroom. But I don’t know about now-present time re rcc control of their schools.
It was reported to the gardai and dpp. Case was dropped due to state of limitations cis story came out v v late. Then that certain priest took him out again and again via ‘candy sweets’. That certain priest no longer works in diocese of Galway as he had left. He went on to work in American medical company in Galway for sone years before he was finally exposed. His brother who went to school with me worked in that factory without knowing it. He had worked in different area before he had to leave. Then they had to tell him afterwards re certain Priest. Guess what, his abused brother was boiling all over the place when he had heard it. He then joined SNAP as a representative. He had some post abuses issues as I don’t blame him.
Vetting process wasn’t there st that time in late 1970s.
Did recall seeing a priest entering a day school back then in my parish (not cabra, just family parish). I didn’t think of it until now when his brother story was related to me. To be honest with you, I didn’t even think of it l. Remember abuser mind think differently from non abuser mind/s. He would look for gaps, repeated pattern where gaps existed, have key to certain room where nobody visited, have a camera, have things that non abuser done sent have, based on my long experience in boarding schools. I have to say abuser minds works very differently from me or yours cos we don’t even think of abusing it. Its polar opposite/s.
Its not misleading or lie cos it DID happen as abuser minds look for gaps, ways to get around the procotols, search for excuses that match theirs. Their certain traits such as this which I recognised it. I say it that’s an abuser when I heard a true story such as this.
One thing that still shocks today me was the nuns throwing an innocent child into the hands of fr B Smyth. Is that verified?

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12.23: Get with the times. No priest or another person within a school setting can request to see a child alone. You need to inform yourself about Safeguarding Issues for Schools. They are very clearly defined for teachers and other relevant school personnel. You are promulgating a lie. Even a teacher has to follow appropriate protocols. Anyone visiting a school has to sign a visitor’s book, state date and time of arrival and departure. Bet you thought it’s a free for all. You unlearned fool. Do a little research before lying.

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6.48

And, of course, those rules and protocols are never breached, are they? And no one turns a blind eye, like priests and religious particularly in the past, when they are?

Sure.

Your complacency, ‘you unlearned fool’, is why protecting children, as much from people like you as actual abusers (perhaps you are one, given your aggressive self-defence) must always be considered a work in progress.

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10:38am Would not trust any of the pushy laity that involve themselves so as they can be safe third party witnesses in case clergy accused of anything. They are not there to protect the child. Safest option is to remove schools from church control. Clergy hand pick these specific laity for a reason. They are never ever impartial.

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@1.26pm If you want pushy laity then go to a certain Clogher parish this week where a few laity are regarding themselves as celebrating the Mass in the absence of a priest.

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1:26pm sadly, these roles attract those cliques that are obsessed with their own sense of self importance – it’s all about the institution, not the child.

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We were upset when our school chaplain was plastered all over the newspapers after what he did on Galway beach. Very disturbing.

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@5.14pm Bishop Larry seems to be tolerating a lay led Mass then. He did speak sonetime ago about lay led funerals. I am not opposed per se but it seems to be the same old lay cliques involved, ex teachers, ex bank managers, doctors, lawyers etc.

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Priests are not inadequate in bed and this is not the reason they are attracted to the vocation. They are good men.

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Is David related to Gay Byrnes son in law.?
Tommy used to be on the late late with gay byrne and seemed to be good friends that I think Tommy asked Gay to his wedding. Does anyone know if they are related?

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1.43: I have always exercised great care, respect, responsibility and defined boundaries in all involvement with people, schools particularly, in ministry from day one, long before such issues were spoken of. Having been at the receiving end of abuse as a teenager, I am well aware of how treacherously manipulativean abusers are. As for Denis at 1.19, your hypothetical scenarios about a cleric taking a child out of a classroom simply does not presently exist precisely for the reasons outlined in my comment at 12.53. And – no principal I have worked with has every allowed a child to be taken out of a classroom without a parent’s or guardian’s permission. I understand only too well the determination of an abuser in any guise but I understand even more my responsibilities in respect of safeguarding requirements and as a chairperson for decades. The issues of child safety, their well being, health and issues of bullying were always a priority on the agenda. I have read all and every document re: child safeguarding for schools and parishes. I agree with you, abusers don’t abide by the requirement of law, thus my constant vigilance.

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Firstly, nobody said you hadn’t.
Secondly, your disclosure reveals exactly who you are…

… and that you don’t get it.

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3.17: Your deliberate unwillingness to understand and accept my sincerity and truthfulness is your problem, not mine. “Your disclosure reveals exactly who you are..” By which you mean…? Hopefully because I’m a priest, my disclosure about abuse is not considered by you as irrelevant or unimportant! You don’t get “it” either!

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No ‘father’, the only person for whom the terms ‘understand’ and ‘agree with you’ are synonymous, is you.

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Not being funny, 4:24, but if you start talking about child sexual abuse and your a priest in 2022, you can expect a roasting.

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Jesus I thought priests were all out doing good, not ranting on here.
Isn’t that what y’all keep telling us?

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Corrections for 3:19,
“My Lord, I thought the good priests were all out doing good, not on here providing us with very insightful and correct information.”

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6.08: Stop digging bigger holes for yourself. You are being utterly silly. Not accepting the truth of someone else’s experience is your problem. I imagine you aren’t allowed near “schools” with that attitude!!

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17% of Oblate Fathers abused children in Australia. As much as 30% of some seminary intakes at St John’s Seminary Camarillo went on to abuse children. The flattened out average is another way of disguising the true horror and that in some times and places abuse was significantly higher than the average.

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Aren’t they all meant to be ontologically changed? A lot of oul hog wash . Anyone who takes part in the abuse of children or women are pure scum

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Never trust a PRIEST. A man vowing chastity is a man to be doubted. Unless they are Asexual, these men are running to the church for cover.
Never trust a NUN. A woman vowing nulliparous is a woman to be doubted. Unless they are lesbians, these women are running to the church to hide.

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6:09pm Scammers from top to bottom throughout like vultures and parasites exploiting innocent & vulnerable. How many of these animals are hidden around the world in retirement church properties whilst their victims are going through hell??

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6:41 I tried to leave this before but it hasn’t appeared. Can’t speak for your understanding of the abuse itself but if your a priest talking about CSA you can expect a roasting.

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Have you ever had times where you know something big is happening in the wings, however, because you’re the one hurting and in the middle, it’s difficult to appreciate the bigger picture—-most days?
People should understand it is difficult to remain confidently objective when you’re still hurting. It’s almost like, you know all is really quite well — but it’s not easy trusting and staying positive all the time?
Any pointers anybody?

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One ancient example of a more conventional collusion of priest and bishop, was where Fr Paul Shanley was the subject of complaints from both a priest, a Fr Chabot, and a mother of one victim (among others) over abuse of boys. Cardinal Cushing made his apostolate to ‘alienate youth’ in Boston permanent after these and many other allegations (this assignment had only a limited presence in diocesan records like its directory. Someone I usually regard as crank alleged that Cushing and the handsome Shanley had a sexual connection, and frankly something like that seems plausible. A decade of abuse allegations and at the end he gets a campus ministry at Boston College, plus another ministry counselling gay youth. Yet it could just have been a wicked ignorance. Shanley was charismatic and his crimes might have seemed like a bad habit for which he could get treatment later.

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