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WHAT SANE PARENT WOULD WANT THEIR SON TO BE A PRIEST?

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OR SHOULD THAT BE – “OPEN YOUR LEGS” ?

What mother or father, in their right mind, would allow their son to enter a Roman Catholic seminary at the moment?

If the young man was heterosexual and in any way good-looking, he would be an immediate target for actively gay seminarians or priests.

There is a danger they would get him drunk, or drug him, and then have their way with him.

If he resisted them, he would be harassed and intimidated into leaving.

This would end up with the young man damaged temporarily or forever.

It would most likely destroy his faith.

If the young man were gay and devout and in any way good-looking, he would be quickly introduced in a very active sex life and might very well go on to wreak havoc in every parish he went to.

He would, in his turn, go on to target other young men and do untold damage.

He might very well end up very unhappy and addicted to alcohol, drugs, or both.

And so, the ever ending cycle would e perpetuated.

MY EXPERIENCE

Now, don’t forget it’s 52 years since I entered seminary and 46 years since leaving seminary.

In Clonliffe – 1970 to 1973 – there was some homosexuality happening, but it was, I think, by way of exception. It was mainly deacons and senior seminarians targeting first year seminarians.

In Waterford – 1973 to 1976 – it was more rare than in Clonliffe but I was targetted by a younger seminarian – a lad who had been the victim of his primary school teacher at the age of 12 and also the victim of at least one priest.

In my time, it was nothing as bad as it is today.

NOW

Now, the priesthood has become a gay profession.

Most seminarians (the few that are) are gay and many actively so and on sex apps like Grindr.

Any “chaste” seminarian entering a seminary will soon be stripped of that chastity and, within no time at all, will be an expert in the things of the gay underworld.

Is it not morally reprehensible for people like Eamon Martin to be plucking rural youngsters out of his parishes and sending them to Maynooth to be destroyed?

Quite literally, he is sending lambs to the slaughter!

And doing it in the name of God!

170 replies on “WHAT SANE PARENT WOULD WANT THEIR SON TO BE A PRIEST?”

Obviously anyone entering seminary now would be an adult so parents wouldn’t be able to stop them, and it’s difficult to tell an adult they’re screwing their life up.
Where parents do go wrong is to bring up children in the religion of a church which has been so criticised. That in itself is outrageous irresponsibility.
We tend to treat the laity on this blog as if they are sheep and just follow. But actually they are facilitators and supports of this disgrace.
But then religion, like politics, is very dependent on the half of humanity with an IQ below 100 – the further below the better.

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11.00: Sir/Madam, sadly your IQ isn’t very high either. Possibly well below 100!! If parents choose a particular faith to live by and to follow its ideals, they are to be admired for instilling religious values into their children’s lives. Considering the material and worldly values and pressures placed on children, surely the essential values of the gospels and of Christianity are good for them. Children and young people are under huge pressure to imitate modern icons whose lives are often very shallow and empty. Parents who share their religious values are commendable and noble.

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You missed a trick, ‘father’ at 9:16. You didn’t pick up on politics and so didn’t make out that everyone’s morals are as bad as Rome’s. Naughty!

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MMM, I think you’re being unnecessarily kind. There are clear correlations between increasingly intelligence and decreasing religious belief. When you add academic rigour and intellectual honesty to intelligence, the person gains clarity into what motivates their worldview and what they gain from it.
This is why the book burnings in the US have been largely driven by religion.
I have never met an unintelligent atheist and am never surprised that the religious can’t even see how ridiculous claims of statues moving are.

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Anon@ 11:02: Well, I just try to be kind by nature!
Seriously though there’s force in what you say, albeit the ‘behaviourist ‘ in me applies much force to behavioural aspects.
An interesting meta analysis of 63 studies of the relationship between intelligence and religiosity showed a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity. ( ZUKERMAN, SILBERMAN & HALL National Library of Medicine)
MMM

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10 important scientists who were Christian

Johannes Kepler

Blaise Pascal

Robert Boyle

Antony van Leeuwenhoek

Leonhard Euler

Michael Faraday

James Prescott Joule

Gregor Johann Mendel

Joseph Lister

James Clerk Maxwe

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Always there is a way for parents to stop their 20years old-25years old sons from becoming rc priests.
The mother figure it is a key figure in gay young men, known in psychology too. Unless, they do not care for their sons life… in the way they should

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I don’t think it’s purely a matter of intelligence.
While a competent level of intellectual capacity and education is helpful in understanding critical analysis of religion’s foundations, it is the insidious nature of the imperatives created by childhood indoctrination and subsequent environmental, psychological and emotional dependency which seem much more relevant. I’ve met some well educated intelligent individuals who are still unquestioning religious believers. Such “blinkered” intellectuals can be viewed on YouTube, for example, the avowed atheist, Christopher Hitchen’s brother Peter.

And Anon @ 9:16, you commend the “essential values of the Gospel and Christianity” without reference to its many failings both in the past and present. Surely what you mean are good ethical and moral values? These can certainly be found, and taught, without the encumbrances of religion, ………..in other words, a total framework of unsubstantiated beliefs.
MMM

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Seamus, to be clear: I do not have or promote a system of “atheist belief!” Perhaps you’ve not read my previous comments on the matter, or fail to understand them.
Atheism is not a “belief system”: It is, rather, a stance informed by reason which questions the veracity of faith beliefs, and, in the absence of convincing evidence, continues to question. An atheist does not simply accept others unverifiable assertions .
MMM

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10.28: MMM: We’ve had this precise conversation before about religion versus intellectual rigour/intelligence. I wouldn’t consider myself an unquestioning educated person. I cherish the moral, human and ethical values received from my parents, all of which were underpinned by their religious beliefs, convictions and learned truths and traditions of the Catholic faith. I value them. I witnessed the living out of those beliefs in everyday life. As I received my education at primary, second and third level by religious and non clerical lecturers, my faith was challenged but also I learned to distil and deepen the beliefs, values and vision of Catholicism. As our life unfolds we learn to define and redefine the truly important moral, ethical, human and religious teachings imparted to us. As priests we also discover through our ministry that despite the horrible crises we’ve been through and still experiencing, despite the cultural, educational and historical changes, we definitely need a huge shift in our understanding of priesthood, church, Christian commitment and the relevance of the gospel of Christ. The once inhabited world of priestly privilege, power, status and education is no longer our domain. Many people, including yourself, have arrived at different understandings and perceptions/truths about life and live by them. I respect those truths. However, while I will probably never abandon ship, my views on many issues have changed, for the better I hope. My christian faith is the inspiration behind my life and work, albeit very imperfect and unproductive at times. Incidentally, MMM, I think your reference to Peter Hitchens as blinkered is very wrong. He argued very clearly, capably and cogently the case for Christian beliefs and I was impressed, as I now am by Jordan Petersen (Canadian author) who has written much about finding Christian faith. He, as an intellectual, author, lecturer, psychologist and philosopher makes great, convincing arguments. Christopher Hitchens was not so pleasant or kind of respectful. His atheistic arrogance was very disreputable.

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Anon@7:22. Aren’t you the quare fellow? Your comment is, well, ……..me, me, me, me!

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The RCC appears to be a corrupt underworld in all aspects of its operations. Perhaps when the authorities impose a recruitment freeze in the interests of safety, these Bishops will get the message that putting the priorities of the church above public safety is simply unacceptable and is indeed morally reprehensible. Too many innocent lives have been ruined or ended to date.

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Indeed Pat, we’re you as innocent as you claim to have been in Clonliffe? Or Waterford? As you said, Clonliffe seemed free of any noticeable, blatant gay activity. I didn’t notice anything in my time after you. There were very strict demarcation lines between senior and junior house. All staff kept an aloof distance. Today, in seminaries, for the small few, it seems homosexuality is more obvious. That doesn’t make any candidate unsuitable but rather the activity of being overtly gay and behaving as such with the obvious questions that then need to be asked. I know young priests who’ve come through the seminary and are exemplary priests. I think Pat, you paint everyone similarly. I dread to think what formation you’d give any man who’d join your Oratory!!

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‘Today, in seminaries, for the small few, it seems homosexuality is more obvious. That doesn’t make any candidate unsuitable’
Yes it does. Which bit of ‘gays shouldn’t be in the priesthood’ don’t you understand?

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8.34: Being gay is a reality for many men in all professions. Fact. Being gay doesn’t necessarily mean being reckless and irresponsible and into all kinds of sexual deviant behaviour. To live this was as a gay priest would be grounds for that person to step aside. Experience has shown us over decades that gay priests exist and that many can live a chaste life and do. But also many who are gay behave absolutely contrary to their vows. These issues need to be discussed in calmer, more realistic and truthful ways, not in the hysteria which you argue in the usual expected way. Your comments are purely soyndbytes. Do you have any worthwhile intellectual arguments to discuss?

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I did not misbehave sexually in either Clonliffe or Waterford.

On leaving Clonliffe I was given a reference by president, Bishop Joe Carroll stating that my.morals were unquestionable.

Diarmuid Martin provided me with a copy.

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The knee jerk cathbot reaction at 11:37. Sure we’re all at it, nobody’s celibate, Pat Buckley must have been the same in seminary.
It’s all about the grift.

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11.09: I never said anything of the kind you attribute to my comment at 11.37: you need to read it carefully and apply some intelligence to a response instead of that rehearsed sound byte…which is a lie.

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11:37pm. Fr Ger Fitzgerald also claimed “he saw nothing” in Gaynooth. What a fountain of truth and moral example he turned out to be.😇

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Pat I live in Armagh diocese.
I am disgusted by what is happening. To those who doubt that wrong is occurring – come see for yourself. No accountability.
1. Why are some priests spending more time in schools and on holidays than their churches?
There is one answer. Gossip-loving, drama-attracting priests living a life of disgraceful luxury. Perhaps romantic connections with a teacher or fellow priest? Pat, would you not enjoy a holiday in Mid Ulster?
2. Why are priests bitching with professionals are causing bother in places of work?
In my opinion, living here would drive anyone away from priesthood. Poor leadership.
Perhaps the people of the Archdiocese should enact reform.

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11:53pm our last parish priest was a malicious & materialistic muck raker all designed to cover up for himself and his circle of illicit cronies. He was sent on his way but obviously cannot resist his compulsive habits – the problems and issues that he creates have apparently moved to yet another unsuspecting parish as it sounds as if he’s getting going there with his well noted modus operandi. Many clergy seem to be self indulgent spoilt brats these days with their expensive new cars and fancy lifestyles and circles of wealthy and influential cronies. Schools are a key source of what should be confidential information about children and families for idle gossipy clergy and their cohort particularly when teaching staff are recruited from families connected to church management and clergy. Given the well documented history of abuse by RCC, it is endangerment that State continues to permit Clerical and Church involvement in schools. Truth is Bitch Fest Priests have little to do, they benefit from free professional support from large teams of retired lay busybodies with high level finance, legal and administrative backgrounds from the professional classes self funded on large private personal pensions leaving clergy with plenty time to indulge in their vices plus gossiping & muck raking.

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My Aunt Mary Margaret kept asking why ‘such a nice young man’ didn’t ever have a girlfriend. The priesthood provided respectable cover – or it used to.

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Today prospective seminarians require a psychological evaluation before being approved to join seminary. It is advertised as relating to abusers… in truth it focuses strongly on sexual orientation. The orientation of all new entrants is established during the application stage…. so what’s the motive behind that? And why have things got worse since the psych evaluation was introduced?…

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@ 7:30am

You’re right about psychological evaluation, they’ve had that for years. It has proved to be of no help at all because as you say things have got worse since it was introduced. And the so called evaluators and staff from Deans down to those involved in formation are usually arch liberals full of all the PC woke shite so what can you expect. Just think of Drury and his cohorts in Maynooth and the results that lot produced. No discipline and license to come and go as they please, gives you the disaster we now have. Mary Queen of the Clergy pray for us.

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HG at 7.30am
You are correct re pysch evaluation didn’t work. That had me wondering re yest blog, how did he get a pass in pysch evaluation test and then assault a layperson.
Something is missing here.
I know one deaf priest from Manchester who quit his priesthood with 25 years experience. He had a baby but he wasn’t happy with his bishop.
Which leaves just one deaf priest in UK, a jesuit priest, who keeps in low profile.
The rest are in USA and others scattered in other countries quite a few, philiphines.

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I think my point was missed.
The psych evaluation allowed the homosexually active clergy ensure a supply of homesexual youth into their life. It works for the covert reasons, not for the advertised reasons.
Re Ryan. When he was in seminary it was well known that he was part of a homosexual circle. I cannot say he acted on his homesexual interests but his circle were giggling, girlies. It focused on the room of a Kildare student who didn’t make it through seminary and is now openly in a homesexual lifestyle. Rumours of luxury in that room abounded amidst clerical circles nationally – but it was allowed happen for about 4 years. It didn’t help that the Dean himself was questioning his own vocation and ultimately left priesthood.
In general that era has produced some questionable characters, and a high rate of transitional deacons who never became priests – as well as people leaving, taking drugs, sleeping with laity, sleeping either peers… goes back to bishops making poor choices regarding deans and discipline.
Night prayer and lights out…v… light prayer and nights out.

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There was a deaf PP in Warrington a few years ago, now transferred to another parish or perhaps left.

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What sane PRIEST would encourage a young man to become a priest ? I wouldn’t. I’m ordained over 35 years, and there is no way that I would encourage a young man to consider being a priests as it is currently lived and believed. It has proven for me and for so many others to be a culture and way of life that is dislocated, dysfunctional and injurious in so many ways to me and other priests. The evidence is there in the lives of so man priests. We only need to read the newspapers to see this, as well as what we see on this blog. Have a look through any diocesan clergy list and see how many are c/o or MIA or ‘retired early’. It’s not a way of life that engenders health and happiness. Indeed, as you have described + Pat, it is often a life that brings real moral, emotional and physical dangers with it, to the priests themselves as well as to the laity. Until the Catholic Church re-imagine the priesthood in a healthy and integrated way – which probably means ditching mandatory celibacy, as well as the inclusion in the priesthood of women, as well as so many other ‘alternative’ people, then it is not a fit and proper calling for anybody.

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Thank you for an honest comment. You must be in at least your sixties and represent the generation of priests immediately before the one that keeps appearing here, and who have also reflected long enough to be realistic.

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In my young day (in south east England) the RCC wasn’t about priesthood, priesthood, priesthood. All catholics were cafeteria then, but from the 1960s onwards we were told all the doctrines had been abolished. Eventually some rigid and shallow things got ushered in with fanfare, which we “dutifully” had a go at, either getting fed up, or burning ourselves out pointlessly.
My family had strong but simple belief. Hearing Mass (because “obligation” NEVER included “communion” – note) showed us that God shared the same beliefs as us. The balanced priests I know were ordained longer than 25 years ago. (An upsurge in flighty or daft ones occurred however about 50 years ago.)
Why doesn’t the Church go back to acknowledging where us ordinary lay people (not the activist “laics”) have already got to, putting hard work into living. Without putting their words into our mouths? And without dumbing down sin? And without saying well, sinning is all that’s to be expected.
Just give out Scriptures and learn how to give a solid middle of the road 12 to 14 minute sermon about the week’s Scriptures, say Our Father and Creed: that is the way to do REAL Tradition; forget “sacraments”, international diplomacy, City State, centralisation, quangoes and slick media, and leave our private affairs in peace. Current catholic archbishops, VDs, seminary faculty et al aren’t appreciative of the genuine article that used to exist longer ago than they care about and which they indirectly owe their “position” to.

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Thank you for your insightful and honest analysis. Sadly, there are not many like you left in the RCC. Mind yourself and I wish you well in your ministry and in retirement.

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Anon at 2.56pm

Wouldnt know a deaf priest who left Warrington. Is Warrington under the diocese of Manchester?

There is Anglican priest named hannah Lewis, who is assisting deaf there as far as I know.

There was an American deaf priest- oblate of St Francis de sales order, who visited Ireland few years ago as he’s a fan of medjugorje. Plus newly ordained priest from South Korea as well.

Best one was one from South Africa as I found him authentic. He’s deaf as he went blind after few decades.

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Seminaries are mainly full of unattractive lard arse types who wouldn’t be able to sustain normal relations.

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Armagh has an odd vetting process sure just look at Ryan McAleer, Stephen Wilson, Rory Coyle and yes Emlyn. One shudders to think 😱

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@8.59am Thanks for trying to help make my point in the last few days about something in the water of Cookstown RC clergy past and present.

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You don’t consider anything with the heart (traditionally, the affective side of human nature), but with the head (the intellect).
Oh, wait! I get it. They don’t want men to consider priesthood with the head. If they did, they’d run a mile, in the opposite direction.

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I’ve had a look at the armaghpriest.com website, and what a load of schmaltzy, saccharine nonsense there is there, accompanied by maudlin music, with clerical talking heads using their best (in)sincere voices to encourage young men to consider, pray, talk to a priest and “to begin their journey”. What is it that they are missing ? Do they not realise that their clerical way of life is the laughing stock of the country ? How many priests do you see these days wearing a clerical collar in public, except for the traddy ones who like to flaunt their cassocks and birettas ? No surprise, because priests more opprobrium than admiration. Which says that the people know more about priests than priests do about themselves, namely that they are discredited, not trusted, insincere and mostly living a lie. So, why is this website trying to entice young men in to a life that is patently a recipe for disaster and unhappiness `? It should be shopped under the Trades’ Description Act !

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Suitability as stated by the site:

FAQ – Applying

How long do you have to study?
The formation system is undergoing some change at present and there will be variations in the exact schedule but in most cases the normal course of preparation for priesthood is six or seven years. It seems a long time, but the years pass so quickly. This time is usually broken down into two or three years of philosophy (sometimes as part of a degree), and four years of theology.

It’s not all academic study. Men preparing for priesthood are also given practical pastoral training, and helped to deepen their relationship with God. They are also helped to come to a better understanding of themselves, to value their gifts, and to accept their limitations. Many of those who opt to become priests these days already have some relevant third-level qualification. This is normally taken into account, and may slightly reduce the time of preparation.

How many points do you need to get into seminary?
The points system doesn’t apply to seminary entrance. In order to be accepted into seminary formation, an applicant is usually expected to have successfully completed the Leaving Cert/A Levels or Second Level Programme. Previous exam results are a useful indicator of a persons academic ability, but the primary consideration is that the applicant would be able to follow the course of studies without undue difficulty. The ministry of a priest has a lot to do with communication, so a student for the priesthood would need to have a good standard of English. An interest in reading is a big help. If you have the necessary points for university entrance, you may be asked to do a degree as part of your formation programme. In that case, an application needs to be made to the CAO in the usual way. Applicants who have been some years out of secondary school should check to see if they can matriculate on grounds of mature age.
Northern Ireland
While the educational system in Northern Ireland is somewhat different to the Republic, the same general principles apply. Applicants should have a good basic education. Normally a pass in five GCSEs is the minimum requirement. Should he qualify for admission to a university , he will be able to study for a degree during his course of study.
Suitable candidates who have not attained the minimum requirements can be helped to reach them by special courses, and there are also colleges for mature men who lack formal education to bring them up to the required standard.
Every applicant will have specific needs and therefore it is best to discuss your educational requirements with the vocations director as soon as possible so that the appropriate arrangements can be put in place.
It is important that the level of education of priests should be on a par with that of other educated people in the parish in so far as this is possible. Candidates for the priesthood therefore, will be encouraged to acquire any further qualifications of which they are capable and which are considered necessary.

How do you apply to become a priest?
One possibility is by having a word with a priest in your own parish. Alternatively, you can contact the diocesan vocations director. Every diocese in Ireland has a director of vocations. The Vocations Director for this diocese is Fr Peter McAnenly who is the Administrator of the Cathedral Parish, Armagh.
What happens when you apply to be a priest?
Applications generally begin as enquiries. People want information, and they want to know how to go about making the right decision. Applicants who wish to pursue their enquiry in a spirit of prayerfulness and openness to the plan of God, will be invited to take part in a discernment process , which will involve regular individual meetings with the director of vocations, usually over a period of six months or more. During this period, the director of vocations will help each candidate to arrive at a mature discernment of vocation, taking account of his personal faith journey, and his human experience.
Other possibilities offered by some dioceses include retreats, discernment groups, the opportunity to spend a few days in Maynooth or the opportunity to spend a full day with a priest as he goes about his ministry.

Once a formal application has been received, relevant documentation will be gathered, including:
– Baptism and Confirmation Certificates
– Certification of State examination results
– Transcripts of third level courses taken, and the relevant degrees or diplomas awarded.
– References will also be sought from previous employers, and from at least two other
independent referees.

A psychological assessment may be used as an element of the admissions process. The assessment would have the purpose of helping to identify the human gifts and limitations which an applicant may have. If he is accepted into the formation programme, he will be helped to develop these gifts and to work around these limitations. Like every aspect of the admissions process, the report of any assessment is always treated as confidential, and would only be seen by those who are directly responsible for dealing with the application.
Arrangements will be made for the psychological assessment to be carried out by an experienced registered clinical psychologist, who has an appreciation of the church’s understanding of vocation and priesthood. The results of an assessment are discussed openly but sensitively with the applicant prior to the final interview stage of the process.
Unless the outcome of the assessment clearly excludes the applicant, the director of vocations will arrange for him to be interviewed by the bishop of the diocese or by the assessment panel, appointed by the bishop to assist him. In the final analysis, it is the bishop of the diocese who accepts a candidate into formation for the priesthood, and nominates him to the seminary. The final decision about the application rests with him.
Before the candidate is nominated to the seminary he would normally be asked to undergo a medical examination, the full results of which would be made available to him, and a synopsis of which would be sent to the director of vocations or the bishop.

What are the criteria by which an application will be evaluated?
A candidate for the priesthood needs to be a person of mature (or maturing) faith, who is motivated to serve people. He needs to be a self starter, but also capable of working as part of a team. He will be reasonably intelligent and will show some signs of creative vision. Compassion and warmth will be found alongside a commitment to truth, as essential elements of his character.

He has six or seven years to prepare, so readiness to learn is more important than having all the answers to life’s problems.

As basic conditions for acceptance into formation, an applicant should:
– Have been a regularly practising Catholic
– Have maintained or re-established for some significant time the capacity to live the virtue of chastity (ie, to live his sexuality appropriately)
– Have maintained or re-established for some significant time the capacity to live without dependence on alcohol or on the use of drugs
– Have a track record of working/living constructively with others
– Have no record of ever having placed vulnerable people (especially children) at risk
– Be emotionally stable, and free from any major psychiatric illness
– Be in good general health

These requirements must have changed, because they’re the opposite of what has been required up to now. Especially the emotionally stable bit 😂

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Apologies for the long copy and paste, I only meant to copy the last bit about the entry requirements 😟

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9.11: If you only read this blog and depend on it for truth, as you seem to do, then you’ll get a very biased, jaundiced and dishonest perception of priesthood and church. There are crises but many still belong to the Chyrch, are very supportive and kind. Many still appreciate our ministry. I wouldn’t expect a “Patsyite” to ever see any good or positivity in priesthood or Church. Your minds are influenced by him (Pat) too much.

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@ 10:21

I don’t think that’s true, I read the blog every day. I have never been influenced by anything Patsy says. In fact usually the opposite because he and I very rarely agree on anything except about abuse, where I agree with him entirely.

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Cockroache is trying to meddle in Leeds affairs after a major bust up with a PP and +Stock, friend of +Vin who helped to get his protégé to Leeds. The cockroache is being very subtle however to the point of sneaky and as us Yorkshire people would say, our Arthur is no daft apeth.

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Roche is playing the long game. I think Patsy you also played a long game but not like Roche of course. He was passed over to replace Cormac in Westminster and Kevin McDonald across the bridge in Southwark. Yet still he smiles is our Roche because he got out of the toxic sinking ship. Nichols breathed a sigh of relief when Arthur went to Leeds but the wily Yorkshireman has come back to bite Nichols on the arse, not from the comfort of the UK but from HQ in Rome. All I will say is that Roche is not as black as they paint him snd that includes the current English & Welsh hirearchy.

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@9:51 am You are quite right. Many people misunderstand His Excellency and, I think, their purpose is to besmirch his reputation rather than appreciate the fun-loving, highly intelligent person of whom they are jealous.

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I think that many years ago, most catholic mothers would have been delighted if their son was to become a priest. Now I would imagine that most catholic mothers would lock their son up until he came to his senses if he expressed a desire to become a priest. After all, what parent would want their child to become part of any dangerous,morally corrupt business

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@11.08am Excellent analysis on the long game. Boris played the long game too in Henley and Hillingdon. Look where it got him.

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Birmingham ran or still run a vocation drive in with the line – Be a Superman Be. Priest.
They shipped in several coaches from local Catholic secondary schools for half the day or was it the full day – they had some slick power point presentations and a deluded Yank priest to bang on and on – lunch was provided and the vibe from the vocation team was – look at how successful and fantastic we are – we can ship in 300 secondary school kids into a Vocation Fare – the weediest most dysfunctional gay lad put his name forward and they slapped themselves on the back.
Eddie Clare was the Vocation Director and he’s pissed off nowhere to be seen – MIA, C/O etc
Paul Moss was the Vocations Director – he works for the Secretariat of State in Rome – what’s that all about –
Oscott v dangerous and unhappy place – a breeding ground for homosexuals and from this Den of Iniquity it can claim quite a few notorious child abusers – Taylor, Penny, Walsh, Quigley and Jollie.
So yes what a fantastic and anointed vocation the priesthood truly is if your gay, dysfunctional or have a criminal predilection for prepubescent sex.

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@9.58am Eamon doesn’t need to set up an office to monitor the blog as she reads the blog for herself in her own office you fool

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I have heard rumours that Daisy Chain NI, which you never acknowledge anymore, are meeting later today.
If any readers know of any clergy meeting later today in a ‘mini’ or bigger group setting, then you are guaranteed to know who the members are.

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If my son wanted to be a priest I would disown him 🥊
If my son came out as gay I would hug him 🤗
If my son came out as trans I would call him my daughter 👧
If my son wanted to be a nurse I would be sad he wasn’t a Doctor 👨‍⚕️

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@ 10.20 am

Stop calling someone a troll because they have said something which YOU don’t like. That isn’t what a troll is.

Silly man!

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Some Cathbot families do to cover up wrong doing and so benefit from the support this guarantees them from the RCC Mafia in living a lie. Birds of a feather without a moral compass.

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If my son wanted to be a priest I would tell him that I fear he may regret it but would continue to support with though love and if it goes wrong would help him in every way possible but tell him just once that he should’ve listened to his dad

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The Scots College in Rome is full of these men: traddy and conservative gays who are very bitchy, opinionated and obnoxious. A lot of them drink and smoke in excess which can lead to some very unpleasant exchanges and arguments. I wouldn’t trust any of them in the future. The staff are just as bad. The Rector enjoys bullying and mocking students, the Vice Rector is judgmental and insecure and the Spiritual Director is off his rocker. The place is very dysfunctional and is quite literally falling apart.

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@ 12.37 pm
Don’t be so utterly ridiculous, priests are no more precious than surgeons or anyone else for that matter,
Stupid thing to say.

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10:27am – church bods have a well used track record in branding anyone that opposes their sick agenda as off their rockers and dysfunctional. Steer well clear is the safest policy.

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11.32: No one is responsible or answerable to a mendacious, meddlesome somebody in Larne. FGS – he’s only a bloody bishop!! As bad as the ones he kicks to pieces like a bully.

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I am a seminarian at the minute. This blog has not deterred me from my ultimate goal. I will be in belfast over the weekend if you would like to meet up and talk over any concerns you may have Pat. I do not agree with you but I still have respect for you.

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Why is the priesthood a homosexual vocation?

We all issued to think Father had forsaken marriage for the kingdom of heaven – how wrong were we.

Hume usued to say no priests no sacraments almost as if to say no priests no grace or God – struck me as infantile then and now.

Most clergy I meet are immature overgrown school kids – why is this?

Most clergy I know despise lay people and bitch about them – they like obsequious and docile lay people but largely bitch and gossip about them.

Clerical gossip is rampant and a curse.

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‘Most clergy I meet are immature overgrown school kids – why is this?’
Because they are quite literally terrified of adult life, or pressure to provide for family, to perform at work, and to have sex. Yes that’s right, despite having endless gay sex it’s very much along the lines of the sex the boys at my school had with each other before they discovered girls. By the time he is 18 a young adult who has developed in an age appropriate way will have begun to express sexuality in a social way of having boyfriend’s or girlfriends. If you don’t progress beyond mutual masturbation behind the bike shed sex in its social aspect isn’t possible for you.
Similarly the other pressures of adult life – if you can’t face interviews, appraisals, commuting, running a home, balancing books, you seek a way of life where you don’t have to do these things and are never challenged. Better still if you get continual adulation, a special big chair and called father by people who are your superior.
This is why priesthood is a magnet for the immature, awkward, emotionally stunted and sexually strange.
And the fact it’s run by men who are the same but refuse to see it because they think they are themselves superior, is the reason nothing is done about it.
The connection which is often made between Vatican 2 and the priesthood going off the rails is right but usually made for the wrong reason. It wasn’t the Council’s fault. What happened was immature men who had been infantilised throughout life and never matured beyond teen years were suddenly at liberty to be human and go to encounter groups etc. Because they had never matured the next natural stage of development they went into was STUDENT rah rah rah, and that’s why they went wild.
The reason priests and religious left was they matured into adult sexuality.

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1:11pm – some clergy and their dodgy cliques are immature troublemakers with an enormous sense of entitlement.

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10.44am

What a relief that would be if Stock doesn’t get Westminster- the coldest and cruelest of fish an odd ball for a bishop – proud of being an administrator and spreadsheet king – no pastoral sense – despises religion and faith sees himself as suoer urbane and sophisticated.
Elsie goes weak at the knees around him but Elsie always gets a hard on for Oxbridge or Public school fodder.
God hope it’s not Chubby Wilson – less a bishop more a fascist but close to Roche.
Roche bled Leeds dry didn’t he? Rumour about securing a cottage for himself on diocesan mullah?

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That all sounds pretty much on the button. Stock too personal flawed and a pretty unhappy man in himself, sublimating what he truly is (!) with a rigourist and stern life. A very unhappy mix. Chubby Wilson is a fascist and a bully. Clergy will rebel (already are). It might have to end up being Nursey Longley. At least he will be reasonably nice to people. Mind you, why the f**k does anyone want such a miserable job and want to live in Ambrosden Avenue where it smells of boiled cabbage and the paintwork is shit, off shit, lime green, or cardinal red for the more formal rooms. Such a miserable place.

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Elsie’s prize is Carmel – good luck to him – they can bitch and gossip themselves to death in their pending retirement.
Carmel rules Elsie and he does her bidding – v odd relationship – he must like being bossed around.
Elsie a company man to his bones he’d lie, cheat and cover up for Mother Church all day long.
He’d think being honest and good is a twee but naive notion – he didn’t get where he is by being good, honest and true.

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I’ve often thought that about being bossed around. She probably has him doing the cleaning in a maid’s uniform when nobody is looking.

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Carmel is just so irrelevant now because Vincent is now becoming totally irrelevant. Get with it. Keep up please. Elsieis in the end day’s and he knows it. What bunker will he retreat to. Caravan or Chiswick?

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9.25pm
How is Stock doing in Leeds?
How is Summersgill these days – he was Gen Sec of Bishops Conference and bezzy of CMOC – he and Elsie didn’t get on – wonder how he gets on with Stock.
Has Stock got eye on Westminster?
Ideal I would have thought – misanthropic insomniac – fractious and cantankerous but went to Oxford so that’s OK then.

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Stock will not get a sniff of Westminster @11.27am. Roche will see to that and don’t forget Vincent is hanging on by his fingertips and his influence has expired in Rome. He didn’t even show for the Duke of Edinburgh’s memorial because he knows his days are numbered. Roche is the influence in Rome. It’s like comparing Westminster’s influence (pardon the pun) to that of Stormont.

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I have a wonderful picture of Vinnie hanging around in his pants in Ambrosden Avenue, with a fag hanging out of his mouth, doing nothing because he’s already retired and the nun bringing him a butty now and then.

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Vincent was in Rome on Tuesday for the 40th Anniversary of Diplomatic Relations with the Holy See. Just look on the Vatican News Website

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In addition to my previous post at👆.
There was a deaf nun here as she left after some 8 or 10 years.
OLD story was communication problems.
Realised she broke breach of confidentiality but its somebody else that she gotten married.
Not my place to say it but saw signs that she was little bit if bully or domineering bit when it comes to religious ceremony such as funeral Mass or something like that.

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@11.11am God, not another troll. If you had this photo you would have published it. Vincent never smoked btw.

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Very interesting that you immediately assume it’s a photograph. For real people pictures can be mental pictures, but you wouldn’t know that.

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I don’t expose for being gay. I expose them for hurting others and being hypocritical.

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Pat, what if a gay priest, closeted but chaste, preached uncompromisingly the church’s teaching against homo-relations, would you out him on your blog. Sincere question.

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Pat at 5:21 The really sad thing is that you have to say that. Not only are they deviant and duplicitous, they’re so stupid they can’t even see that.

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I remember some smart arse English cleric asking years ago and trying to get the better of auxiliary Roche in Westminster if he was related to Hal Roach. Arthur said no I ‘m not but “write it down” . On the ball, sharp and was used to that joke. Who’s laughing now?

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The priest I’m expecting something to come out about is Fr Z. Because seriously? The place for a diocesan priest is in his diocese not selling merchandise on the net, and I’d be surprised if he could point out his diocese on a map

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You would be surprised what some priests sell on the side. Our foreign friend priests could teach us all a thing or two.

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2:31 After several years of reading this blog I would be surprised at nothing the clergy do.

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Roche is a big buddy of Sciculna Arch in Malta who sniffs out clergy abusers. Interesting Pope Francis post covid visit is to Malta this weekend. Arthur is in the delegation. Incidentally Sciculna on a BBC Spotlight programme criticised Sean Brady. Join up the jigsaw with the connections.

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@1.27pm What an interesting post. It was said at the time Siculna got rid of Brady very quickly. That adds up. I also like the fact Sciculna lives with his parents as opposed to the palatial palace in Valetta. Francis will stay just one overnight with the Nuncio in Rabat.

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Anon at 12.27pm and 2. 24pm

From an abused perspective, Scicluna was useless as condom machines in the Vatican, cos he wasn’t able to sack or defrock abuser priests that we wanted.
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He was replaced by someone at the end with no power to enforce it. Its more like a hand slap on his wrists.
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He was tasked to investigate in Scotland in 2014 re abuses and KOB. It didn’t come out anything constructive.

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Pat what is your view on priests that have gentleman visitors staying with them? It may be innocent of course but is it not a distraction.

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We should all be able to have visitors of every kind without coming under suspicion.

Surely priests must behave well in public and in private.

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2.01

But they don’t behave well in private and in public, do they? Otherwise, there would be no need for your blog.

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Oh this rhetoric again, priests are allowed and have – friends, nephews, brothers and cousins. Utter rubbish comment from a jealous parishioner or boyfriend.

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1.53: How THICK and STUPID a question.. Bizarre and laughable. I’ll have anyone I wish to stay over, as happens. You’re the pervy type, not me or any priest who has someone stay over night. Come into the real world, silly little boy!

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4:21 I would be embarrassed for anyone ‘staying over’ with you in case they say the wrong thing and you start throwing your toys out of your pram.

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1.53: Read your comment again and be embarrassed at its stupidity and inanity. You’re living in a dark age. Really, where is your brain?

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1:53pm. Our Parish Priest is very critical & judgemental & gossipy when it suits his agenda but has unbending loyalty to a large family network of criminals and two faced repeat offenders that use his connection to their advantage. Everyone knows he’s a self opinionated bully that takes full advantage of his connections to these families for his own benefit in various ways. Toxic.

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If you want to know the toxicity of the current English & Welsh Bishop appointments then look no further than a man called Worlock. The Irish influence of bishops at present stems from an equally toxic Cavan man. Go and research.

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They did not treat the priests they Hadd well. But it was not the laity. It was tyrannical PPs, some of Irish extraction

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@1:59 pm Yes, do as you say, research and stop blaming Worlock for everything. That is the default position of the ignorant.

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Bishops like to get rid of auxilaries just like parish priests with curates getting shot of who doesn’t suit their agenda. Couve de Murville in Birminghan soon got rid of Conroy and Hollis as auxiliaries – the rest is history. Eamon wants rid of Router as he asks him too many questions. History repeating itself? The powers that be hate scrutiny.

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The longer Elsie hangs on, the better the chance of O’Toole of Leicester Uni. Friend of Frankie, Lead Bishop on The New Evangelisation and Divine Renovation fan.

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@3.00pm It really is rather foolish to suggest that O’Toole has any chance of moving to Westminster. Indeed, it is’ tommy-rot’.

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O’Toole don’t make me laugh. He accompained CMOC to a hotel in Cookstown over the clergy abuse investigation here. The final conclusion wasn’t about victims but the elevation of O’Toole to Plymouth. Please keep up. O’Toole gave Blair his instruction on how to become a Catholic when CMOC’s poodle in Westmonster. Research it.

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1.42pm
Phew would be great if common sense prevails and Stock and Wilson kicked into the long grass. I agree Stock an unhappy joyless man grumbling and muttering his way through life.
Had a penchant for visiting Pattaya in Thailand and good at hiding behind lay people and avoiding the flak. As I say the more dubious they are the more I think ideal bishop material.
Yes Wilson is flexing in Southwark and gone rouge on kicking the hornets nest on slapping down the gays – didn’t he embroil himself in a controversy involving preventing a gay author from visiting a school – as long as he’s consistent in preventing his gay clergy doing the same.
He’s a moraliser so invariably a hypocrite and who is he trying to impress?
Longley – what that great brave and courageous defender of children and safeguarding – IICCSA put paid to further promotion I hope – but you never know – the more incompetent they are the higher they go, ironically called the Peter Principle.

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@ 3.18pm You are obviously not an insider. Archbishop John will move to Westminster and, in time, receive a red hat.

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5.55
Dear Jim S. how do you manage to get the inside information in every diocese in the British Isles and Ireland about personages of bishops? I expect your nemesis, Bela Govan Ligosi is suffering from a constipation of ideas and a diarrhea of words, or she’d have called you out already.

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Wales is weird – where is Stack these days?

Is Wrexham or Menevia even a diocese?

Wasn’t it Tom Burns and some geezer called Big Nell – less a diocese more a deanery – what crime do they commit to deserve being made a bishop there?

Stack was a lush and garrulous liability in Westminster- he had to go.

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@ 7:13pm

Get a grip ya stupid moron we’re not all on the blog all day, like dizzy oul Queens with no life like you. I’ve been out and have only just noticed your obnoxious post. I’ll leave it to Nettie to deal with you herself. NSTFU and do wan.😏

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5.55pm
Your obviously a cleric but we all have our cross to bear.
Ah I see, no need for a Terna, or the wisdom of the Holy Spirit for who needs any of these when you have so kindly provided everything we need.
John Wilson is to be the next Archbishop of Westminster- three cheers for he’s a jolly good fellow etc.
And then the Cardinal of England – ah bless him it’s all mapped out for him.
We shall see – I’m neither and insider nor an outsider and beware of that hideous word ‘obviously’ – wonder what skeletons Chubby Wilson has in that big cupboard of his?

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@6.26pm You are clearly a fool troll. Any Cardinal is not just of England but Wales too. Get your facts correct. I think Patsy, as much as I disagree with him served under the Welsh.

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Actually he’s Cardinal of Ireland as well because they don’t have one. Of course Ireland used to belong to England like Ukraine did to Russia.

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Anonymous @ 7.47pm
Not correct. Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales are 3 separate bishops conferences or hierarchies.
Garngad lad

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7.47
You’re an amateur. There’s no territory associated with the cardinalate. You are confusing cardinal with bishop.

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There is a territory associated with cardinals – their cardinalate churches in Rome.

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11.51
True. But it is a ceremonial link only and there is no question of jurisdiction of any kind. It cannot be compared to the link between a diocesan bishop and his diocese.

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God clergy gossip is boring. NOBODY but them cares who the next Archduke of anywhere is.
We the people don’t pay any attention to them, any more than we do to priests..

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you sre kidding yourself, Buckley. No one gives a damn about priesthood. You’re so-called ‘priesthood’.

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