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ROBERT NUGENT CORRECT ABOUT THE KILLALA CHRISM MASS.

Robert Nugent has made very valid criticisms of the “Chrism Mass” at Killala Cathedral this year.

The Chrism Mass, traditionally is the ceremony during Holy Week where the Holy Oils are blessed by the bishop for use in all the Sacraments celebrated in the diocese for the coming year.

It is also the ceremony in which all the priests renew their priestly promises and commitment.

But this year  the Killala bishop, JOHN FLEMMING decided to use the Chrism Mass to induct all the members of parish councils in the diocese into office.

This is a TOTAL and THOROUGHLY INAPPROPRIATE way to use the longstanding tradition of the Chrism Mass.

Parish Council members can be inducted at any time.

And the existence and vocation of parish Council members is important.

Many people think that John Flemming made a mess of being the rector of the Irish College in Rome when he was there.

Homosexual carry on was rife in his time.

I do not rate John Flemming as a person, a priest or a bishop.

He got Killala because he was a company man and was known in Rome – not for any personal attributes he had.

He obviously has no respect for tradition and liturgy when he turns the Chrism Mass into a rally.

Killala has not had an ordination for ten years.

It has no seminarians.

Flemming is an undertaker presiding over the demise of Killala as he presided over the decline of the Irish College.

I don’t agree with much of what Robert Nugent says and visa versa.

Buy he he on the button about how the current clergy and bishops have nothing to hand on to new generations.

And that is very worrying.

I’m not sure that Robert’s solution of the Latin Mass and right wing young priests bedecked in lace and cassock will do it either 😞

THE LORDS SUPPER AT THE ORATORY

186 replies on “ROBERT NUGENT CORRECT ABOUT THE KILLALA CHRISM MASS.”

Watch the recording and find out.

Considering priests living within 10 miles don’t attend, I’d highly doubt it!

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God save us from ceremonial purists!

What on earth is so calamitous about expanding clerical tradition to incorporate a non-clerical element? It isn’t breaking this tradition, since all the rite traditionally accomplished was still achieved. On the contrary, it was a development of this tradition, a partial declericalising of it. Surely, worth a plaudit or two?

Well done, Bishop Fleming.

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No, it became a rally for that clique of self important boomers who live on parish councils, and frankly drive others away. It was like something in a nursing home. I can well believe that there hasn’t been a vocation there for a long, long time. Won’t have to worry about this stuff for too long. The only people into the New Order in this weird, novelty chasing manner are aging and dying. They won’t ever be convinced that their understanding of this post V2 era is leading to anywhere but the New Pentecost, that it has not utterly failed. It’s not even the Mass Of Ages, or Greek Rite or whatever, or nothing. The New Order has many, many worthy options for a priest, so much and more, yet that isn’t enough for them. Judging by the empty seats a good many must have gone elsewhere rather see these hobbyists take over the Mass so some older laity can larp as clerics, parade around in silly robes. This is not the old internal priest or priesthood of the laity, it’s a sad parody of it. Dress up nonsense.

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3.06
When it comes to driving others away, (from church community), I imagine you have plenty of practice.

The expression ‘Mass of ages’ is a misnomer. Development and change is part of the human condition. That applies as much to the history of the Eucharist as it does to the history of the diocesan church, in Kilalla and elsewhere.

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The New Order was a radical and sudden change without any precedent. Hitherto change happened slowly with Vetus Itala (pre Vulgate) text still in the traditional Mass. The Pater noster is the most famous example. Concilium rewrote every single proper and created a deathly dull form of liturgical time, instead of counting away from definite Feasts like Pentecost, we got ‘ordinary time’ which refers to the passing of time not ordinariness, but it is utterly dull. Allied to that, yet wholly without sanction in Sacrosanctum Concilium which asked only that new altars would allow a priest to go around it, radical, ugly vandalism happened in some many churches. The pervert (he abused his niece) and thief Eamon Casey was a notable example. Cobh cathedral only survived as it was owned by a lay trust. At least in places, that bad art has been banished.

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10.42
Pseudohistorical nonsense. If you check the Missal of Paul VI you’ll find it speaks about ‘tempus per annum,’ nothing whatsoever to do with ordinariness.
No need to insult the blog’s readership’s intelligence by pointing out that Vetus Latina predates the Vulgate.

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I am not sure I agree with you. There is outright hostility towards clericalism and tradition in this blog.. Now that the laity are more involved it is a fault. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
Have a happy and holy Easter Ben and peace to all.
Pax
Garngad lad

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10.55: Thank you Ben. If the Bishop spoke only abiut priesthood as a calling, he’d be condemned and harshly judged. It’s time to act more realistically about the calling to service of all baptised people. Robert’s hobby of videoing too frequently and offering his criticisms are tiresome. He rarely has anything positive to say. He will onky be happy when TLM is back in all its “exclusivity”. I too applaud Bishop Fleming. We need to think more radically without sacrificing all our traditions. Robert, try a little kindness, not just as the song says, but GOSPEL KINDNESS…

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9:34 You have managed to indicate that there are many callings and that ministerial priesthood is one of them, so I’m sure the bishop can as well. And did.

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pat this again your agenda to pick on Bishop’s you do not like and in this case Bishop John Fleming a 73 year old man and it is sad Robert never went to the Chrism Mass for the Eucharist rather tan what is next.
The Bishop is correct although if anything years late with his Pastoral Plans.
But Robert missed the Dioceses of Killaloe because Bishop Fintan commissioned 23 Pastoral Care workers who will be given placement in the June Clergy and Pastoral staff appointment.
Sad Bishop Pat and Robert and in the old school and not moving with the times maybe the Oratory is a one man band did the Priests of the oratory renew they obedience to Bishop Pat.

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10:06
Sweetie please, please try to use some punctuation. If you don’t know how, try reading your comment out loud and putting in a full stop (.) when you find you draw a breath.

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What a disgrace! There is no provision for such a thing in the liturgy of the Chrism Mass. It is a profanity in liturgical terms. I will be sending this to +Roche Rome.

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11.29
Send away we are a Church on a journey call Synodal as His Holiness Pope Francis has asked so Cardinal Elected Roche will not interfere.

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I must give credit to Robert – he stayed a lot longer than I would have!
What is it with these lay people coming in and bullying their way to positions that don’t exist? This is the real crisis in the Church – a load of Karens trying to run the place.

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11:57am. The only laity our clerical “friends” approve of are sheep & basket fillers who come “bearing gifts” to fund the Rotten State that is the RCC. It stinks from top to bottom – sexual & financial corruption & all the attendant immorality clergy & their laity indulge in daily to conceal their cesspit from public view.

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11:39 Howling at your perfect impression of the standard miserable, entitled, spoilt brat priest. You’ve made my day, it’s so good. Thank you!

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Oh Lord. I couldn’t even cope with watching two minutes of him. Probably because it’s after midnight and I’ve just got in from the Watch until Midnight. I’m sure there’s better things to weep over at the moment!

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Well done, Bishop Fleming!
Pat, your criticism is not appropriate. You berate clergy for being slaves of tradition and unwilling to change.
You won’t find a single Kilalla priest or lay person with anything bad to say about JFleming. He is universally respected and esteemed there. He’s one of the decent ones.
And there are other factual errors in your post.

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12.32
Bishop Fintan Monahan did similar in Killaloe.
The Church is the people’s Church and it must move faster as there are a shortage of Clergy, too many buildings so change must come.
A Priest and Bishop is ordained for the Sacraments not seeing to the plumbing and the heating or even the finances

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A bishop like the idle one in Armagh is not even concerned with the Sacraments now. No bishop turned up recently to confer Confirmation in a parish within the diocese. What is the point of having auxilaries who are just glorified Confarmandi machines. They can’t be bothered their arse doing Confirmations now either. Pitiful.

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The Irish Independent (dated 14/04/22) writes: “Former president Mary McAleese has said all the major churches in Ireland are “conduits for homophobia” and that questions must be asked to tackle this issue.”
This I agree with. The Churches’ stances on homosexuality is very worrying. Criticism aimed at Dr McAleese is also a reflection of the RCC’s stance and treatment of women. The RCC use terms like dysfunctional and deviant when discussing homosexuality. Imagine being a young man and hearing such violent language. We in the RCC can be better and do better to welcome people. I am not talking about the gay men who are clergy, this is a seperate issue. I am talking about non clergy who are vilified for being gay.

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Why didn’t she mention mosques? I’m pretty sure that the accused man in Sligo wasn’t influenced by Irish Christian churches.

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So your argument is that Islam is more homophobic than the RCC, therefore ‘mosques’ should be mentioned? You didn’t understand the point Dr McAleese was making. Her expertise is in Canon Law of the RCC so naturally she will refer to this.

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11.25am. The context is that Mary McAleese wasn’t speaking generally, but in the light of the murders in Sligo. Her identification of Christianity as the proximate or remote cause of those deaths is way off, considering who is accused of the murders.

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Lesson to guys on Grindr: Do NOT hook up with men of Middle Eastern appearance.

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Fintan Monahan did the same, with his induction of 24 lay ministers during the Chrism Mass. “Today”, he told the gathered priests, “I have inducted your successors”.

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8am. What a kick in the butt that was for his priests to hear & who have made sacrifices for their vocation but hey presto, their successors can have careers, partners, children, a family life and other freedoms formally denied to ordained clergy. Not a very diplomatic or motivating statement from their Bishop. Some clergy will be happy to know that RCC continuing in some form but the reality is that the clique of self important lay boomers already mentioned on here today will be not be accepted as many of them are even more corrupt and/or complicit than the errant clergy still in situ.

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11.04
A rather pathetic note of regret that the vocation of the baptized is being celebrated.

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8am Have they started beating themselves with nettles in the Diocese of Killaloe?? One of their parish newsletters this week has a note requesting the parishioners to bring a nettle to a Famine event next weekend.

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If priests/monks are taking a ‘Year Out’, as in ex Glastonbury, are they still required to attend a ‘Chrism Mass’?

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11:40 Monking appears to be a tedious business for some so they require time out for Bonking based on the antics of those Monks featured on this blog. 😇

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@8.03am Have you not got over it yet that the two ex Glastonbury monks have left you dear? And who could blame them given the obsession you have with them. I say they had a lucky escape and it’s little wonder they don’t want you to find them.

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10.41
With your comment here last week about the Queen of England’s action in relation to her son, Andrew, you have forfeitted the right to be taken seriously. Your latest comment corroborates this conclusion.

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8:10am Don’t be Silly, clergy don’t have housekeepers no more, have you never negotiated the long & sometimes irate shopping queues for fresh fish & wine on Good Fridays??

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The Oratory is looking lovely alright. There are a few bishops who should be summoned to The Oratory. Will they wash the feet of +Pat or do they say that they are not even worthy to untie the straps of his sandal?

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1:24pm Their actions demonstrate their inflated Notions of their own importance.

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8:46am You should be running the Government- wasted in the Church you are, Father.

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One of the key themes of the chrism mass is service – so it wasn’t entirely inappropriate to commission people to lives of service.
Robert doesn’t want to criticise – he repeats this often – yet manages to be very critical. And it begs the question, what is the point of the videos if not to be critical.

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I’ve watched a few of Roberts videos again. He’s behaving like a zealot. What I found objectionable about this video is that he deliberately videoed this ceremony and probably without permission. I doubt if the Bishop would have been pleased to know what was happening. Having completed his recording he then did a hatched job on the ceremony, the Bishop and clergy in general. It was a mean spirited, unkind and nasty piece of journalism. The truth is Robert wants The Latin Mass back in its fullness. He responds to some adverse comnents on his You Tube in a most intolerant manner. Robert wants priests back preaching hell, fire and damnation. Any new initiative by way of responding to the many crises within the Church are met with his customary grin of utter disdain. He may as well have gone the whole way at the Chrism Mass and torn the leaflet to pieces which he kept dangling in front of us. Wasn’t it wonderful to see the Bishop create a Diocesan Team from all parishes. The Lords Supper calls all of us to SERVICE. If the Bishop focused inly on Priesthood as the only ministry given, he’d be condemned and ridiculed. Sadly, Pat, you also have joined Robert to attack the bishops and clergy, yet again. Having expressed admiration for Robert before, this time I am saddened at the cynical, nasty and very unkind behaviour seen in this video. It might have been more in the spirit of this week had he prayerfully attended the Chrism Mass instead of looking for reasons to smash the moment. Why, Robert, are you not involved in your parish or are you? To me you seem just to be an armchair critic. A little but of gospel humility might go a long way and perhaps when you quieten down from your rage, you might offer some encouragement to all of us. Your tedious videos of damning us are disheartening.

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9.23: A goid comment, Nartin. I thunk Ribert is an attention seeker. Just look at the amount of videos on hus You Tube. He craves attentiin. I wish he would be mire supportive and encouraging of new initiatives by bishops and clergy to renew our Church.. Why isn’t he involved in such? Also, I think it was most disrespectful and sneaky of him to video the occasion. That sneaky act says much about him. Were not allowed to have parents video sacramental moments for safeguarding reasons and churches have to follow strict guidelines about their Web Cam facilities. Robert crossed boundaries by sneakily videoing and showing faces on his mission to destroy video. Shame on you Robert. Now please don’t keep telling us that you’re too busy to respond!! Please. Did you have permission to video and then go and read the Bishop to pieces? Pat, I think you are being totally disingenuous and unkind to the Bishop.

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10.00am. Well said. I agree with everything you said. RN is depressingly negative in all his views of church matters

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As was commented the other day, if you do something in a public place it’s not illegal to video or photograph you. A public place is defined as somewhere anyone can literally just walk into such as a church.
In 2022 if you’re in a public place it’s usually best to assume your actions are being recorded – there is no obligation to ask your permission.
Incidentally if you don’t like this I suggest you go away and reflect that the bishops didn’t report abuse and got away with it in some jurisdictions because there is no legal requirement to report, and be careful what you wish for.

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So, RN criticises (even though he says he doesn’t like criticising) a ceremony in Killala cathedral and then, for some unknown reason, extrapolates from this that there is something wrong… with the universal Church?
Yeah. I can see the logical connection be the two. 🤔

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That’s the problem with ‘trads’ (who aren’t). They’ve built their entire world view on this kind of faulty reasoning.
The old mass is inexplicably still widely available yet they’re still whinging about the Catholics they look down on and most bizarrely the availability of the old mass has not converted the entire world to be lace queens! 👑

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What are Mr Nugent’s credentials for attempting such a review? The blog could do with a twenty-year moratorium on his commentaries.

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Pat, dint you think it was very cynical of Robert to video the Chrism mass with one reason only to do so, as he outlines in his video? Condemn it to bits. In all his travels- and they are.many – Robert seeks out the Latin Mass. That’s his prerogative, so why doesn’t he do likewise here instead of forever finding fault with bishops and clergy? Robert wants us back to pre Vatican 11 times. His catechesis in the Catechism of the RCC in his videos are good but I find the repeat, frenzied criticisms very disillusioning. Come on board Robert and help parishes with your wisdom!!

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Robert says that this is what is going on in the church now. Really not being funny but the Irish have never had that good a reputation for actually doing the liturgy – here even to the extent of having a clear liturgy for the day yet managing to mix in doing something else.

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Interesting reaction to this as there always is to Robert Nugent.
I don’t understand how the system works but I’m wondering whether the strong reaction is from former Thurles seminarians…..

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The strong reaction can’t be from the Thurles seminarians – because Robert sorted out that issue several months ago.

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Nobody under the age of 60 was at that Killala Mass. Does John Fleming care or, like Joe Duffy said, does he think that the Church “will do for our day”?

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The priest that normally stays with his boyfriend up the road has been staying a few nights in the Parochial house on his own.

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@10.40am Have you been staying with him and keeping him company to know that. You seem the jealous stalker type. Should we be alarmed regarding your obsession of this person? Stalking is now a crime here and you fit into that category well given all your recent comments on this man.

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You never see the two of them together apart from when they are in his house though, it’s an odd set up if you ask me

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Priests should and will not have time for boyfriends or girlfriends you are wasting your time lay people

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1:24pm – we don’t believe you – we know all about it from this blog – pull the other one, Easter Bunny!!
😇🤣🤣🤣🤣😇

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Not too long ago Robert Nugent was threatening to confront this type of priest if they didn’t change their ways and renounce their hypocritical lifestyle. I believe he claimed he would confront them at their altars.
I’d love to see him confront this particular priest. I don’t think either would come out looking well.
It’s not this priests duplicitous lifestyle that irritates me ( and it does irritate me) it’s his profoundly hostile attitude to everything and everyone – it puzzles me that he made it through the seminary. He is the absolute antithesis of Christlike.
He’s a total w⚓

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Yes Ryan McAleer has been removed from active ministry pending residential therapy in St. Mary’s in Maryland .

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That’s a wild allegation – could you provide any SOLID evidence to back up your claim?
Armagh is rotten with deacons anyway so maybe he wasn’t required? Or maybe the holy joe permanent deacons would have thrown a tantrum if a proper deacon showed up?

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5.09
Not at all. Presider is preferable to celebrant, since all assembly celebrate the sacraments. Literally, the presider sits before the assembly. The liturgical chair is an expression of this perspective.

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Awful word, “presided”. Very clericalist and puts too much focus on the “presider”.

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6.49
Elaborate! You mean you didn’t realise you had been celebrating the sacraments from the pews all these years?

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3.13: Balthazar, looking at Nugent’s videos I conclude that he has a very battle nature and is actually quite arrogant and self righteous. Just wondering why he gave permission to Pat to put his video on his blog but yet won’t respond to any genuine criticisms. When he starting waving the Chrism Mass leaflet in his video, I was expecting a missile to fly through my laptop. His heightened anger was scary and I found his reference to the tragic death of a priest some years ago totally gratuitous and unnecessary. Robert protests that he cares about priests but only those who fit his criteria. Robert is not the caring, concerned man he’d want us believe. I’ve yet to find his videos encouraging. I think he protesteth too much.

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11:29 very irresponsible of Amy – he should do his public duty & keep Wilson where he can see him. Goodness knows what Wilson could have got up to whilst the Chrism Mass going on. It’s a pure waste of time and money giving these Bishops those expensive & highly decorative croziers. It’s be more use to give them to the sheep farmer up the road, he’d make more use of them in this Spring season.

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I was a parish priest in a rural community in 2000 and we had a telecoms executive on the parish council and he kept trying to takeover and thought he was the CEO of a large multinational when directing our 95 strong parish. He was horrendous.

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11:43am Unfortunately, Father, these lay roles on parish councils and the like attract the more unsavoury elements of the white collar or tweed brigade.

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The Church of Ireland has centuries of experience of Select Vestries (parish synods), diocesan synods and national synods.
It’s time we asked for their help.

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Same with some governors of small primary schools, who go on like they are on Wall Street running a global conglomerate.

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1.09
So, too, did the Romanists: by threatening the Sheep with eternal damnation.
Those bully-boy tactics don’t quite cut the mustard these days.

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It’s comical to see in our Co. Derry parish the ex teachers scrambling around to get on the altar looking to get noticed and be relevant.

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2:02pm it’s very important to be “seen” & to be “relevant” when ones kids are now seeking their own teaching posts in the Derry schools.

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1:09pm. Quality over quantity works for me in preference to the hypocritical floor show offered these days in our local chapel. I’m glad my my Granny has gone to join her Maker although I suspect Grandad is digging her in the ribs chuckling “I told you so”!! 🤣🤣

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A lot of these pastoral people are on the make, thinking that a volunteer job will soon turn into a paid role, with a free presbytery thrown in and a bit of dressing up at Communion services. Young graduates of the useless BA Theol in Maynooth also see this as opening up career opportunities.

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Oh Robert, Robert, Robert. Why all your misery? You should go and find a LATIN MASS CHURCH. You delusionally believe that it’s the panacea for solving our crisis of faith and Catholic belief. The reasons are multifaceted. You ought to do a little research about faith in post Catholic Ireland. You annoy with your incessant negative narratives about bad bishops, priests and parish communities. In all your videos, you rarely talk about what you yourself are doing by trying to renew our Church and faith for which you express a windrous gratityde. Your actions might speak a better narrative. For God’s sake, try to be encouraging and listen instead of screaming on You Tube.

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I always think that Mr Nugent may have been heavily influenced by the rhetoric of trads in the US, which is in turn reacting to the identification of AmChurch in the nineties. In reality the Catholic landscape has been significantly different from Ireland for many years and he often sounds like he is actually talking about a different world.

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3.06, More like he was influenced by the Legionaries of Christ to which he belonged once upon a time…

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Anyone follow the BBC’S online news?
There’s a revealing item today about the Russian Orthodox Christian Patriarch ‘s blessing of the Russian troops. They’re engaged in God’s Holy War against Ukraine.
What does this reveal about the true nature of religion? Check it out.
MMM

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Yup, 12.38. Even though Jesus told them all that they must love their enemies.
Somewhere down the line, the “Jesus message” (as Gerry Adams called it) was lost. And sure, wouldn’t Gerry know all about that?

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Nice try, Cackle. Haven’t you noticed the islamophic comments by your co religionists on here? 😂

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Now which comments would those be? I’ve seen none at all at all.

You must have been on another blog.

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Robert, if you had been beside me and spent the opening of the Mass recoding I’d have asked you to leave, You are a trouble maker and are truly off your rocker.

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1.33: You are right. Robert was very ignorant to do what he did at the Cathedral. He went to that Church simply to find fault and find reasons to express his disdain for the Bishop and the priests and congregation. A very smart, mean spirited and hypocritical thing to do. Robert’s assertion that he didn’t want to be critical rings very hollow. Robert: we’re not fools: you were apoplectically full of raging criticism, as you always are. Go find the Latin Mass somewhere and enjoy what you desire. But please stop annoying us with your hypocrisy. If you are so brilliant at analysing, can you offer anything worthwhile beyond the Latin Mass? Seems like you’re gone into hiding…..

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Bishop Pat I was showing a retired Guard today the comment from 7.56pm yesterday in relation to the Sligo murders. He said he saw no criminal offence as no threats were made. He said while some elements of it were true facts but that it was distastful at most in the way it was said. He said they would have to lock up most people if it did constitute an offence which it doesn’t.

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Welcome to the liturgical year 101.
Since the liturgical year is completely ignored by cathbots we will skip the general introduction and observe that currently Good Friday is treated as a day to go on Bishop Buckley’s blog and make bitchy remarks about white collar workers. All except if you’re Seamus, in which case you’ll be at home reading the Annunciation gospel.
Tomorrow’s lesson in Catholicism 101 will be in how to arrange the liturgy so that it isn’t ‘too much’ and doesn’t interrupt the telly.

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Not so long out of mass and the Priests in St Patricks gave all the children a small Easter egg each which was very kind of them. The two get an awful lot of slack on here but they are well thought off and there has never been any indication that they feud or disagree.

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On this Good Friday I would like to remember the Gardai who had to/ have to see things no human being should see. I remember some years ago at a suicide scene in Collon speaking with a young Garda… I asked him if they received counselling after witnessing what we had seen. He told me “ if we ask for it.” He then asked me if priests did.. well you know what I told him. I think of those officers of recent days and pray for them; horrendous to live with those images. I hope their organisation take care of them. ( I don’t like police…. I saw them in all their glory after having checked in at Split airport for an Aer Lingus Flight. Only if I win the lotto will I be able to sue all concerned…but if I win….)

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Bill @ 4.01pm. It was the neices of one of the men Bill who were first on the scene and had to witness the horror. The guards are not always the first on the scene. Had some samphire the other day and thought of you, I like the crunch and saltiness. Forgive me for keeping reminding you of it.

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I will join you in popping the corks @ 4.04pm. I just been to the off sales for a bottle of Hennessy and it was £34, talk about rip off. The pubs are totally packed though today as the DUP has no sway any longer especially on the archiac Easter licensing hours in the north.

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Why are so many Priests addicts? There was a priest the other week filling his trolley full of wine telling us it was for the church, but he had Rose wine. Last time I checked blood was red.

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@ Randalstown Ronnie. The DUP has no sway in Donegal, so it’s fake news about their alleged power in “the north”. Did you mean Northern Ireland?

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Priests are institutionally lonely apart from those that have fellow priests, curates or boyfriends living with them

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Randalstown Ronnie you sound like a drunk and probably have that brandy down you already. It’s a pity you didn’t pop into the chapel on Good Friday and say your prayers. It’s a disgrace that you seem so smug that the pubs are full on this day and you should be ashamed of yourself you cretin. As for the £34 you will pour down your gut it would have been better spent towards the upkeep of the holy places in the holy land or to Ukraine. Disgusting.

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4.16
Anonymous. No. I’m sure she or he meant what they said, the north of the island of Ireland.

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8.30pm, it’s much quicker and less provocative to say Northern Ireland rather than the clumsy circumlocution you offer.

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8.49
If you find another expression less provocative, that’s the best reason to avoid that other one. ‘The north’ works perfectly well.

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Bishop, I, like Bill Mulvihill, am a raving homosexual, and like my honourable friend am so glad to have got out of the RCC unscathed. I implore you all to go go go, for this existence is sad.

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3:35pm 🤣🤣🤣. They Don’t hold back on the good stuff neither, no cheap East European vodka from Lidl or Aldi for Da Boyz in Black!!

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William Mulvihill is a fine man; but I am uncomfortable with a fellow man calling him “raving”. Easter best wishes to all.

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4.10 and 4.31 Thank you for the comment. Nothing “ raving “ about me at all. Couldn’t put it past the RCC to be saying anything about me….. disinformation is part of their cover… particularly apt point on my part this Good Friday. A treacherous bunch; RCC bishops, not to be crossed., and their knights along with them. Nothing raving about me.

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4.10 Why don’t you tell who you are ? Are you afraid of something? Your categorising me in such a manner from anonymity doesn’t echo your claim to being “ unscathed” surely.

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4:10 Do not tar others with your own brush, Father, from your comment you are clearly not “unscathed” so definitely not an EX Priest.

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In Birmingham if priests want to signal that their pissed off or despise their fellow clergy or want to make a statement of discontent or malcontent – they don’t attend the Chrism Mass – as if their being super rebellious. Makes me smile because no one cares if they do or don’t show up.
In Brum the Arch’s put on a spread afterwards to which only the clergy are invited – Elsie once had a tent erected in his back garden to accommodate the old cantankerous bastards and preening queens. Pathetic really because he despised them and they despised him.
When clergy gather together it’s like the wolves and vultures descend – unkempt, dandruff, poor hygiene skills, BO, unhealthy, morbidity obesity, yellow teeth, bitchy, envious, gossiping, oh and dripping with malice.
What a shower of drudge.
A spectacle of old, lost and viscous celibates – God preserve us from the Chrism Mass.

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The Westminster ex Anglican queens departed the Chrism Mass to their usual annual haunt and bitch fest on old compton street. Monty made an appearance. Loads of gin, vino, cackling, bitching and tearing Elsie to pieces including his homily. Their fellow clergy came in for much criticism too and the discussion about Elsie’s replacement. Naturally they want someone who is queen friendly and not as controlling as our Else. God only knows what the staff make of serving this bunch of gossiping, screeching and foul mouthed clergy. Who pays the bill I wonder?
Baaaaaaaa.

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6.17 Such fantasy. The ex Anglicans wouldn’t go near Old Compton Street. There’s no decent restaurants.

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Prayers for the people of the Ukraine & for victims of all manner of injustice worldwide and of all religions and none. We are grateful to God above to be so privileged to live in a jurisdiction where the right of expression of free speech and truth is not restricted as a luxury afforded only to the privileged and to those that hold views that mirror ones own.

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The oratory is looking fabulous. Wasn’t even a single flower in our church yet – still time before Easter though

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It’s very pretty Pat, I seen that priest out the other week with a well known gay man picking out bedroom furniture, must be for the presbytery

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Anonymous earlier should check their facts before posting comments on this blog. Archbishop Martin did indeed celebrate the Chrism Mass for the Down Diocese on Wednesday but he did that in the morning and was the chief celebrant that evening in Armagh for the Archdiocese Chrism Mass. Bishop Router was there as well and preached the homily. So like I said don’t post something until you are sure of your facts. Happy Easter.

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MBE (my bellies (never) empty) loves his wine and whiskey that much that colleagues have nicknamed him WW3

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What is going on in D&C? Colleagues with nicknames like ‘the tank’ and ‘WW3’, is there any wonder there is a war in St Patrick’s if that’s how they communicate with each other

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Us parishioners have nicknamed the priest bulldozer for he ploughs through mass and has really bad temper issues

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5:59 our last parish priest is known as The Undertaker, his character assassination skills are exemplary.

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I’m not trying to mess with your self expression, but I have learned the lesson that stressing and obsessing about somebody else is no fun, and snakes and stones never broke no bones so do your PDA.

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5:15pm I’m wondering would you be happier if ye both left the priesthood & moved to Rwanda for yerselves, Father.

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Is it Fr Sheehan that everyone is saying is living with another man because he isn’t. He is always in the Parochial house.

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If one man knows Sean Brady through and through….. it’s John Fleming….. he made Brady look good when Brady was the Rector . Fleming s efficiency did the Rector no harm at all. I’d say John Fleming was flabbergasted the day he heard that St. Patrick had another successor !😂😂😂

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Considering comments above say he should put his own house in order and is behaving like a zealot, he’d fit in perfectly.

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Finished reading Despard book. It’s interesting re workings of rcc and of how they operate.
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Asymmetrical knoweledge that rcc bishops or the curia have and with their authority have ordained homosexual priests with their knowledge and their ability to blackmail priests if needs arise. Its for this reason I wouldn’t recommend any Catholic or anglican aspirant with heterosexual orientation to apply. But at the same time, they want our monies to ordain gay priests (within their knowledge but the laity don’t know it at that time). No wonder rcc bishops are laughing at us re our donations.
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Despard is a decent one from what I can see in his book that rcc bishops tried to ban it in amazon site.
Fr Despard, if you are reading this blog, u have my support.
Sheer hypocrisy coming from Scottish bishops that they don’t practice what they preach. Is that any wonder that frankie the slayer wouldn’t visit Scotland 🙈😉.

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6.17: DG – thought you were getting lost off the blog …You’re back again. Do you ever get tired of repeating the same comments so frequently? We do…

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@6.17pm Hear hear regarding deaf guy. He had given up the RC Church and then he went chasing around Knock for confession, God hekp the poor confessor. This was foolishly by his own admittance and now he is keeping giving up the blog several times but is still here!!! I ask you. A total boring twit.

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anon at 8pm

One of the precept of RCC was to confess sin once a year preferably around Easter time . That said, i have done that bit.

You said giving up this blog isn’t correct cos i have said quite clearly ‘weaning off this blog’ doesn’t imply giving up straight away as its a process to wean off. It could take weeks or months. BTW, i stopped giving contributions to rcc.

Guess you are a priest which isn’t surprising in the least.

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anon at 7.16pm
what same comments are you referring to?
Getting lost ,No i mean weaning off from this blog
Ate ham roll today as i had forgotten it was good Friday today,oops my dear. should i confess that sin……….

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This is a new one Is Bishop Phlegming acknowledging the priesthood of the faithful If so fair comment The pouting padres may still renew the promises they may or may not choose to keep

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“ I have plans for him.” Direct quote from Sean Brady when Aidan O Boyle was secretary to the Irish Bishops Conference. Life happened I suppose…..

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Pat and Robert made a great laugh out of everyone today. Nugent goes into a cathedral all prepared to video a Mass, features whom he chooses, breaks all kinds of protocols at the Cathedral re: filming people, then puts it up on You Tube and smashes the bishop’s style, content and pastoral initiative to smithereens. He mocks, scoffs at and shown only contempt for what he’s experienced. Robert if you filmed a child or vulnerable adult without telling a family relative or Cathedral Adm, you could be in breach of safeguarding requirements. You have no right to go in to any church with a set up tripod to take photos. Your self entitlement is disgusting. Your snide, judgmental and disdainful aanalysis is very shallow. You knew what you were getting, so why didn’t you go elsewhere? You obviously gave Pat your permission to put it on his blog? Why? Furthermore, why not answer legitimate questions? Too busy targeting your next victims? Robert, be a luttle more honest and kinder. Remember, you’re not “god.”

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11.06
Symmachus? Joy? Your pseudonym, like your ‘Mass of ages’ is a misnomer. There’s nothing of joy about you. Absolutely not.

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You really are dense. Symmachus means ‘ally.’ It was a late Roman military term and became a family name, including a Pope Look it up. C’mon. Where on God’s good earth did you get that meaning? Everyone has their own opinion, but you cannot have your own facts.
The traditional Latin Mass or Uses of Sarum or Lyons or whatever are more deserving of the appellation Ages than something made up by some academic priests who between them never headed a single parish. It’s a reality, not invalid, but it’s a dog’s dinner and had to have the GIRM rewritten nearly immediately as that text was variously heretical or shoddy and the less said of the English translations the matter. All of them are poor in their way.

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