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ARE THE IRISH ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS PREPARING FOR A PRIESTLESS CHURCH?

A SYNODAL PATH – OR A CYNICAL PATH?

JOHN FLEMMING in Killala invited 34 members of parish councils at his Chrism Mass.

FINTAN MONAHAN inducted 24 new lay ministers at his Chrism Mass in Ennis.

That’s 58 new lay workers for two western dioceses.

FINTANS WORDS

“Welcome and Congratulation to New Ministers

I welcome and congratulate with great delight and joy, the 24 New Ministers, 12 in the area of Catechetics and 12 in the area of Pastoral Care.  You have responded most generously to the invitation sent out from the diocese 4 years ago to come forth and minister in your chosen areas in which you have an interest, talent and expertise.  You have applied yourself with diligence, dedication and hard work in prayer, discernment and study with the assistance of Mary Immaculate College in Limerick and in your pastoral assignments in your native areas.  You are now warmly welcome in your new role to assist, lead and minister among the faith family of the diocese of Killaloe”!

FLEMMINGS EFFORTS

The Catechism of the Catholic Church even goes on to declare, quoting the first-century bishop and martyr, St. Ignatius of Antioch, “that without the bishop, presbyters, and deacons, one cannot speak of the Church” (#1593). So much for “the action of the whole

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=384

PAT SAYS

The Catholic faith is centred around the SEVEN SACRAMENTS and the bishops and priests who are ordained to celebrate those Sacraments.

With the exception of Marriage and Baptism priests and bishops are the Ordinary ministers of the Sacraments.

We Catholics do not traditionally believe that a non ordained person can celebrate the Eucharist, the Sacrament of Penance, Confirmation, Holy Orders and the Sacrament of the Sick

So, if there are no priests and bishops those Sacraments will disappear.

As mentioned in the above article there is a growing belief that it is the gathered Assembly who appoint the priests to preside and thereby make Jesus present.

This goes against two thousand years of tradition.

Will the RC priesthood disappear or not?

220 replies on “ARE THE IRISH ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS PREPARING FOR A PRIESTLESS CHURCH?”

No priests no sacraments is a threat or taunt bishops throw around – the sacraments of penance and ordination are later conflations and didn’t exist in the early church – marriage predates Christianity and the couple administrate the sacrament to each other – the sacrament of anointing was not reserved to one man in the early church but to elders.
In extremist lay people can baptise an infant so why not ex extremis?
Transubstantiation is a medieval construct – the early church celebrated an agape meal.
Hey Ignatious of Antioch would say the church needs bishops – he was a bishop – but it’s nonsense – where two or three gather Jesus is present.
The priesthood is a redundant profession as the singular fount of grace and the sole administrator of the source and summit of the Christian life.
The stunt Finton played is that simply a stunt – the real revolution won’t be a revolution it will come because through slow but sure decline because the scandal of child abuse/cover up/corruption the idea of a good bishop or authentic priests is bollox andlay people – the People of God – will vote with their feet stop going to church and stop donating and form house churches.
Not in my lifetime or yours or maybe several generations but it’s coming baby it’s coming.

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11.20
What a marvellous, historically accurate, insightful post! The Romanists won’t like it, and they won’t like you. They are highly territorial, see? And you have trespassed.

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10.23
And what criteria are you putting forward to guage how historically accurate the commenter ar 11.20 is?

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Son Of: I like your comment, and the gist of those following.
Regular readers here will know from my previous comments that I think all religion is a load of bolllox. Maybe as more people throw away the pernicious clerical shackles of the RCC brand, there will develop an increasing number who cast aside the whole shebang of religiously hoping for a happy hereafter, and concentrate more on making life here on earth a better place for us all.
I’m sure the amount of wasted energy and resources devoted to religion could be put to much better use.
MMM

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I doubt that your social work career made life here on earth a better place for all, certainly not for the likes of Baby P, Kincora and the legion of children abused and neglected while in the so-called care of social services.

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You again @11:25. But you forgot to mention Sharon Shoesmith this time? Or maybe, now that the outcome of her employment tribunal case has been pointed out to you, you realise how foolish your previous comments were?
As is this one.

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11:25 Are you suggesting that MMM should have intervened to prevent those failures?
The way priests did when bishops were facilitating abuse by priests?
Like that?

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The employment tribunal was won on a technicality. Baby P is still dead; no payout for him.

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12:34 Well he joins the ranks of those who’ve killed themselves after clerical sexual abuse.
But sure let’s look to ourselves and not judge.

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S o the B, your post is way off the mark. Jesus told his followers to forgive sins or retain them, therefore the sacrament of penance was set up by Christ himself, and this meant Catholic priesthood too. You need to go back to school to learn about REAL history, nit the imaginary stuffnyou spouted on here. And those marraige you mentioned were not SACRAMENTAL, so no relevance to Catholic marraige, which Jesus setnup himself.

The anointing of thebsick was done by the priest, because Jamesbwas an aplstle and therefore he gave the power the Apostolic Succession…to thevanointers thereforw they were all priests. I said it already, go back to school to learn praper history, because you dont know it. Your post lacks all scholarlyncred.

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Who in their right mind would want to be an RC priest ? Infighting, debauchery, self centredness, obedience to a muppet bishop instead of Christ. Only someone who wanted recognition, power in some perverse way would want this. The RCC is crumbling. The chickens are coming home to roost. By your fruits are ye known. They have been found out and continue to be exposed. They have taken the gospel message and s@@t all over it

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The roman catholic church raised
3.2 million euros from its parishioners and gping by that the catholic church still has a strong following in ireland.

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12:39pm. It’s actually quite disconcerting & creepy to go back over the blogs & realise that all this nastiness lies behind those smiley priests and church people. It’s shocking to read about all the different things that go on when they are training & in the monasteries and parishes. One imagines they are not jailed because the Judge knows they’d probably be attacked in the prisons. Creepy.

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The current seminarians are all gay, they have vowed celibacy but how do you manage to fulfil that after years of having gay sexual contact. It will be very hard and they are bound to fail.

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I think they are, but it’s one of a number of other changes, all of which are being attempted by stealth with disastrous consequences:
Changing the teaching on homosexuality.
Trying to deal with the drop in numbers of priests.
Increasing laypeople in management roles (the bishops want to dodge bullets).
All guaranteed to create uproar when done by stealth, especially among the 1962 crowd because they think stealth change was what Vatican 2 was about.
TBH at this point it would be better to call Vatican 3 have a schism and let both sides be separate and both claim to be THE church.

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The Irish church is dead. The bishops no longer believe the catholic faith, and are trying to invent a reason for existing. Their liturgys are dead…devoid of the animation of the holy spirit. The presence of christ is gone from the irish church, and I am heartbroken. I no longer want to be a member of the church I was raised in.

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11:59pm. Well Said, it is a thundering disgrace that the RCC is basically now peopled by deviant clergy & their lay cover up merchants motivated by self interest. Very sad but safer to move on & cut out the middleman.

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Progressives before the facts were known about Sligo:
“We need to boot the Catholic church out of our schools, religion should play no part in a progressive Ireland.”
Progressives when the facts emerge:
“We cannot blame all Muslims for this, we must stand against Islamophobia.”

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10.30
You are absolutely correct. Hatred of homosexuals entered history through each of these credos alone. There was no other source.
RCs and Muslims in the Republic of Ireland are twisting and turning to avoid moral responsibility for what was done to those poor men who were doing no one any harm at all.
I despise all three Abrahamic religions.

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Oh yes, the Aztecs and traditional African beliefs were very tolerant of homosexuality.

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8.09
Evidence?
These peoples could only have been intolerant of homosexuality with the vile influence of any one of the Faiths.

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7:59am one wonders will trade from the clerical set be a bit slow tonight at the Boiler House after the terrible events in Sligo. May they Rest in Peace.

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The forthcoming sale of Maynooth and the permanent disposal of former seminaries such as Clonliffe is evidence that the bishops lack faith and hope that there will be a need again in Ireland for those facilities. Many/most bishops are delighted that there are far fewer priests and virtually no sems because they believe that the shortages will hasten the changes that they desparately want to see happening.

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Well, 8:04, if you want to retain HUGE buildings in the dream that the freak peak of vocations in the twentieth century will happen again, perhaps you should buy them and take responsibility for their maintenance?

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I wonder what big event in Rome happened in the 20th century, which led ineluctably to the sale of the pink palace called Maynooth?

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10.11am
Maynooth was founded in 1795, and in that year, 1795, it had 40 seminarians, which is 18 more than it has in 2022. Some progress.

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How funny that there are 12 new catechetics pastoral workers in Killaloe. It’s a safe bet that the children of these catecheticists are lapsed, and their grandchildren are unbaptised. The catechists didn’t pass on the Faith in the home yet now, somehow, they will pass it on to strangers? I’d also love to know what parts of the Church’s teaching they will be catechising.

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The same is true of all of the RE teachers and Diocesan Advisors, they used to qualify their own children’s lapsing by saying “when they get older they will come back to the faith” that was thirty years ago. In the UK anyone under the age of forty who went to a Catholic school was taught using Weaving the Web, the whole textbook could be read in ten minutes

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Our Diocesan Advisor and RE teachers in Armagh are very .. . interesting… shall we say? Totally normal relationships 😬😬😬

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The queeny bitches are up early. Nothing useful or constructive to suggest as usual.
Are YOUR children practicing? 🤣

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10:15am They wouldn’t know, they don’t acknowledge their own children because they’ve taken a vow of celibacy.

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Brilliant, 1:38. Although if they have any children they are likely to have a test tube for a mother. 👬

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Like you said the other day, who would want to become a priest? Who would want their child to become a priest?
You are condeming yourself to a lonely life. The natural desire to form an intimate relationship is prohibited. Parish councils run the show with their own agenda and arguments will ensue.
RCIA, confirmation and First Holy Communion groups are run by laity, usually older white middle class women.
Parishes generally have a school and a few hundred people spread across the three Sunday Masses. The priest cannot get to know everyone. In this he becomes the churner out of sacraments. Gone is the pastoral care.
I admire you Bishop Pat and your ministry. I know a number of independent ministers, often worshipping in a repurposed garage or outbuilding. People may mock but they know and care for their little flock. They know each by name and are there in times of need.

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8.11
Pat’s assembly is reminiscent of early Christian communities, and is largely modelled on them.
Romanist dioceses, on the other hand, are modelled on the provinces of imperial Rome. Rome is gone. A hint of things to come for the Church of Rome? They are already underway.

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And the laity doing Communion services and the rise of permanent deacons has removed the need for priests. Pastoral workers are the new collaborators of the bishops. All you need do is have a bishop visit each parish once or twice a year, “preside” at Mass and confect enough Hosts for the rest of the year. During the year lay people of the retired teacher/librarian class and unmarried lesbians can “animate the assembly” and “be Church”.
That’s the inevitable outcome of the policy for decades of thinking that involving the laity in the Church means clericalising them and bringing them into the sanctuary as “Me, too” mini-priests.

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A few months ago you were advocating for lay celebration of the Eucharist!
Now you’ve become a clericalist?

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Nah they’ll bang on next about ordaining “Virs Probati” aka crusty old farts that used to have sex.

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To be fair if you want to have priests who don’t have sex the obvious place to recruit would be those who have lost interest. Trent’s insistence on getting them young ensured men were ordained at their sexual peak and is a recipe for disaster.
Experts in humanity, my arse.

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Far Too Little & Far Too Late. What about the Thousands of victims & survivors of all manner of worldwide RCC related witness harassment, intimidation & abuse & ongoing covered up by both ordained & lay clergy & their toxic cohorts. A bunch of carefully selected sheep on the road to nowhere. No Thanks.

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9:17am. Our former parish priest, Fr Ger Fitzgerald, was very active on social media when he was here in Ennis. He always listed his marital status as widowed. Was he trying to fool the Bishop into thinking he was “past it”?

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Preparing? They’ve been hit by every other crisis totally unprepared so why should this one be different?

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Can they not see that the majority of public run a mile from them & do they not realise that it’s their lay hitlers in every community that more often than not are key drivers of the ongoing exodus. Parading these lay hitlers is just adding another nail to the coffin.

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WW3 always wanted that Bishop gig, it would have suited his personality. Instead he settled for an MBE from her royal highness, 👑

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He is furious that his endearing nickname has been revealed on here and is scrambling to find out who has released it

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It is not Eugene O’Neill, he is known as Poppy amongst his peers for his British sympathising

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@10.16am Of course you would dearie but in your own little mind only. You are a typical catfish on here who is probably well past child bearing age or incapable.

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1:30pm Good of you to let everyone on here know your honest opinion of women, Father. I’m an aul wan myself & I’ve reared my kids & this blog is an eye opener as to what a nasty & arrogant 2 faced bunch ye are. Everyone at the Bingo is talking about ye since we found this blog. Good Man Pat for trying to help all these poor people the church blackguarding. It’s a disgrace to Holy God.

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10:17 Don’t you believe it, the Clergy are only the tip of the iceberg. Clergy imagine they can hide behind laity & fire their bullets from under their skirts and that’s been working to an extent but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time, lines have been crossed in using lay professionals connections in protecting abusers & that remains a major trust issue in the relationship between the RCC & Joe & Mary Bloggs.

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Yes. That’s because it’s a cult so like all others you can expect an inner circle with some trusted people in the outer circle.

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Parish priest is a massive hypocrite, “take in as many as you can, help them” he exclaimed only the other week. How many refugees is he taking in? None, he doesn’t even live in the presbytery. Priest = HYPOCRITE

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Not a hypocritte at all. In the UK it is a slow process by the Home Office to grant visas to these poor refugees. My heart goes out to the poor mothers and children who have lost everything. Quite recently, PB was still waiting to house refugees. I do hope that he can update us that he has been successful or inform us that it will be soon.
Pax
Garngad Lad

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Lay Helpers are good news – more time for the clerics to be out getting laid & generally having the craic! More Tea Vicar?! No, have you nothing stronger?!

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At the no, I’m reading a book titled ‘in the closet of the vatican’.
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It made me boiling cos of their audacity and sheer brazeness of the cardinals, prelates, nuncio’s re their double lives, duplicitous as most of them don’t have faith. Just mainly prestige, lust of power and money, nothing more than that.
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Rcc is dictated from top down as Catholic laity have no power over them. The only power that the laity have over rcc is to withold their monies or donations to rcc re Church collections on Sundays.
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I couldn’t understand some Catholic press reporters in Rome fawning over them.
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That book discuss cappa Magna to my surprise especially , Burke(not surprised re him) and two other cardinals(never heard these two but more surprising all the same) . I thought I was the only one 🤷‍♂️.
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That book hardens my stance more towards rcc as I didn’t want to have anything to do with them cos the more I read from that book re corruption, gay mafia, inability of jpii to do something about it, but at the same time, keep my relationship with God. These are two different things distinctly.
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Lots of cardinals, bishops or prelates or nuncio’s have no faith as it would feed down the ranks in turn more faithless church.
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Its coming, coming, not in my lifetime re rcc becoming more unrecognisable, no faith, more like part athiest, part pagan beliefs.
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Rcc is shredding a lot of them now as they come out into the open. They are in a massive decline except for Africa and philliphines.
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Rcc here in Ireland is probably collapsing except for some pocket rural areas where faith is strong. My observations re knock few days ago indicated to me that the laity don’t believe what’s coming from bishops mouths or priests mouth. To my surprise, mass ended in quick 30 mins, communions were distributed by lay ministers, no priests at sight, as the only priest who said the mass scooted off v fast,away from the die hard Catholic ladies. Such is their attitude as laity aren’t stupid to see that. 🙈

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and yet off you went, out of your way to Knock shrine last week – to sit in a box with a stranger and tell him your ‘sins’.

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Anon at 12.34pm

Do you understand the precepts of rcc?

That any Catholic or lapsed Catholic or Christian may avail of a confession especially during Easter time ONCE a year. I did avail of that opportunity of you like.

Told sins to a posh priest with very fussy attitude. He wouldn’t even touch a piece of paper cos of Covid? 😉🤷‍♂️

Link : https://www.catholicforlife.com/what-every-catholic-should-know-the-six-precepts-of-the-church-the-duties-of-a-catholic/(see no 2 for your information). NUFF SAID.

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@12.34pm he wants nothing to do with the Church yet is so obsessed with it even the cappa magna obssession. You couldn’t make it up. Does this guy not realise what a total dick he sounds.

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deaf guy, I’m not disputing your right to go to confession. Throw on a white garment and head to Mecca for all I care. I just find it very odd that you rant here about the Catholic Church yet you literally go out of your way to engage with their sacraments and visit their holiest shrine in Ireland. It’s just an observation. Good luck to ya and all that

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1:28 Remarkable how lapsed people also get criticised for daring to criticise the church.
Anyone would think you didn’t want any criticism….

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12:34pm there would be far less trauma in the world if we all took Mammys advice & “did not speak to strangers”. The day is gone when you could get away with climbing into a box to talk to a strange man wearing a skirt. Too many reports of them losing the run of themselves out of public view & asking minors probing & inappropriate questions. It’s a shame but better safe than sorry.

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It’s one good thing if the cult is finally admitted it only wants the pray and pay brigade who keep silent. I don’t believe it’s designs on world domination will ever vanish completely though.

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Just saying at 1.28pm
You find it odd that I rant eh🤷‍♂️.
I rant against rcc for their past and present heinous sins cos I see it as Christian duty to moan or complain against rcc. On judgement day God will ask you a question, did you make or rant rcc in order to correct rcc ways? 🤷‍♂️😉
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I did to that extent but I doubt it that you did cos you wouldn’t go against your Bishop, wouldn’t you cos he holds all your cards as you swore total obedience to your Bishop, but not your god.
It was my strategy to go to Knock and confess it, then be done with rcc after reading Martel book. Plan was to use one of precepts to my opportunity for now, then i decide what to do later on.
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FYI, I don’t regard knock as the holiest shrine, it’s a desolate, empty place, grey feel vibe re weather, surroundings etc except for the old church which was different in terms of vibe. I know one holiest place abroad as I visited there many years ago.
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I didn’t use all the sacraments as you said it yourself, just confession and arrived at basilica mass but it was over in few mins cos confession queue which held me up to half hour or more with only 4 priests were available.

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I gave you the link for the book and have it but haven’t read it. I’m honestly amazed he managed to mention the cappa magna 😂
Glad it’s fulfilling your expectations.

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Anon 3.20pm
Thanks for the link as it was a good site cos I didn’t expect to find a book there, named ‘in the closet of the Vatican by Frédéric Martel, a French writer. So I downloaded it as I read some chapters. I was v surprised to see cappa Magna mentioned in that book (🤷‍♂️🤣) cos I didn’t expect to see it in print.
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Hence a mention here but I’m way past it. It didn’t fulfil my expectation cos I wasn’t looking for it, just Quelle surprise to see that mentioned.
Anyway, thanks for the link cos I downloaded other books as well👍.

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Some of the comments today so far are a little unkind and unnecessarily cynical. We have justifiable reasons for criticisms of the Church, its management, personnel of all kinds, leadership etc…Over 35 years ago those of us wise enough and observant began to see the trends of change and challenge, log before the abuse scandals erupted and we engaged meaningfully with parishioners to respond to changing parish needs. Many of us recognised very gifted parishioners, some very professional and dialogued with them to create more dynamic and inclusive parishes. Our efforts were well rewardrd with the support of professionally trained pastoral leaders and by people skilled in nusiness leadershio, education and interactive management paradigms. I was fortunate to have worked with both priests and laity who were very visionary at the time, the early 90’s. I try to bring those same templates to present times, though now older and more challenging. We either believe, as followers of Christ that we are each called to service, albeit differently, or we believe there’s one way only, the old way. Some of the mystery and reverence of the old way is beautiful but we know we have to radically create a new understanding of what it means to be a community gathered in and around Christ. Why, when efforts are made by bishops and clergy to renew our Church and faith and parishes, are we greeted with a cynical ridicule? Why the cynicism and nasty commentary? I’m curious why Pat who is forever challenging the status quo now seems to berate and scold anyone who dares to be different, visionary and creative? Pat is fortunate: he’s an independent pastor and can literally do and believe what he likes. He can define his ministry in the knowledge that he’s not answerable to anyone – except God hopefully – no priests, no laity, no management, no parishes, no schools – and good luck to him. He has the luxury of changing his teachings or beliefs overnight! Can we applaud the genuine efforts being made by many bishops, clergy and parishes? Let’s not go into a Robert Nugent rage??

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The expression of negativity, passive agressiion, outright anger, angst, and desperation on today’s blog must be doing good to those who are letting off steam. So well done, Pat, for giving people a forum for such emotions for free. It’s depriving counsellors of an income though. And it didn’t seem to have any therapeutic effect on MC because the more he contributed, the more frenzied his comments became! Let’s hope other commenters do benefit from the blog!

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11.55
That was a freely chosen act to post at 11.38 with no level of compulsion. Venting is hardly a mot juste in this case.

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12.33
Of course it is, you pretentious person. 11.38 shot himself in the foot. Its you, isn’t it? 🤣

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“ARE THE IRISH ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS PREPARING FOR A PRIESTLESS CHURCH?” Fail to prepare. Prepare to fail.
The same applies to a good Lenten marathon journey. Fail to prepare. Prepare to fail.
Pax.

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Why is the preparation always for retreat, retrenchment, decline and selling up? Where is the missionary spirit? Where is the hope? Why the unwillingness even to consider that the post-Vatican II way of doing things is shockingly unable to bring and retain people in the Church and that modern Maynooth was a failure?

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Howling at this comment. To be fair, I’d love y’all to extend your fake pre Vatican 2 drag queen approach to the whole church and see what happens.
But then I would also favour the church of Rome being outlawed, so my support probably isn’t what you want 🤣

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12:26, you are right to question the missionary spirit.
Firstly, for this weekend, blessed are the lay ministers who will rise early on Easter morning for the Dawn Mass.
Secondly, blessed are the lay ministers who will help the Divine Mercy devotion to travel better.
You will recognise them by their fruits.
+Pat made a fair comment weeks ago along the lines that we must return to the Christ of the New Testament. Sometimes in life, we have to return to basics. We should not be afraid of it. We will be starting from experience.

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Martel gave us a clue as these cardinals or previous popes as regards to their homophobic stances or uttered such statements,more likely they are homosexuals (either practicing non practising).It reminds me of KOB public statements or his stance on gays which were very homophobia at extreme end.
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Then Martel went on to proceed with benedict xvi previous past statements on gays. It gave us more insight into benedict’s mind. It showed us that he’s a homosexual with homophobia attitude which was quite common among gay cardinals especially trujillo whose fondness for rent boys plus his association with drug cartel in Medilion.

In other words, any cardinals that utters such homophobic statements more likely to be a homosexual. It made me think of other cardinals such as Burke, mc Carrick, weakland, KOB et al. That was a dead giveaway re their statement in public. Hence their double lives.

Saw a photo of new Bishop last year or two as I thought he was obviously gay cos of his face. Although I could be wrong there and open to correction. Its usually gay people with a delicate sense of gaydar can detect it more easily than a person with heterosexual orientation. I rem ex gay friend telling me that a certain priest who used to work in deaf chaplaincy now moved to a parish in South Dublin is gay. I thought he was telling porkies but I asked another gay person who said the same thing as my ex gay friend. So I only take their word for it cos they can detect it well if not, better than I do. Benedict red shoes was a dead giveaway in my observation but no proof to confirm it until Martel book.

So you see rcc for what it is now, a gay Church or a church with 50% to 70% gay especially at the Vatican or curia level.

Then a story aboutapprix 10 Swiss guards were being chased by some cardinals. Such was their brazen attitude in chasing young handsome men and think they can get away with it🔥🔥🔥

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Spot on, as ever. It’s like I’m not interested in drugs so when I see people off their tits or drug paraphernalia, I think so what, and move on.

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You concluded Deaf bloke that someone was gay because of their face????? Heaven help us and in the meantime Jesus wept.

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@1.21pm Steady on about DG because he will retort with his usual crack accusing you of being a priest lol. The guy is so predictable. That’s of course when he’s not running around monastery guesthouses wanting to do a retreat as he admitted before on the blog. You need a better memory DG.

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Anon at 1.21
Let me tell you this was confirmed by 2 gay people. Its not just me, but others as well for confirmation. 😉.
Any face could tell you a lot if things, cardinal Wuerl for instance, unmistakable gay face. It’s part and parcel of body language that we have cos any sign language in any country around the world invariably includes body language as mandatory, such as gestures, face, scanning and decoding etc.

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Anon at 1.34pm
LOL yes re running around monastery houses, that was a decade or to be more precise 2007-2009. To he quite clear with you, I never wanted a retreat cos of my deafness in the 1st place. But i gone off the boil re 👆as I grew out of a shell. Then I attacking rcc for what’s is now.
I couldn’t see it at that time like now re rcc and RP, Mellifont Abbey when I became more discerning as regards to what’s behind that monastery walls. That came about from reading this blog to inform myself re ‘dark side’ (coined from star wars).
Anon at 1.30pm
I cannot tell if someone else is jew except for their small Cape on their heads.
I grew up in Catholic boarding schools where there was a lot of boys with homosexual orientation around including CBS and deaf boys at that time. But it doesn’t make me an expert cos I cannot detect gay people (hidden) face if you like, only gays with quite sensitive gaydar can do it, no problem. Martel could be one of them cos he said he recognised prelates or cardinals as gay quickly. He’s an atheist and typically French.
Cardinal Wuerl was clearly unmistakable in a photo with typical gay face. It’s lesson 101 in body language.

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Anon at 1.21pm
When I was in UK at that time, police often consulted us for lip reading skills, face expression re videos, soccer matches re fan saying racist things. Some deaf people were used by police but not all of deaf people can decode what they are saying, what’s their face telling us et al. It’s common practice re hiring us to scan and discuss it but leave my name out of it etc cos of retaliation.
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Lip reader’s names usually comes out in uk court when opposing barrister questioned police re their strategy of using videos as evidence via. lip reading.
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U think that we deaf can’t read a face then you don’t know the whole lot of it, just saying. It’s a skill learned from training at v young age. I can lip read 400 yards away in a wedding or work,depending on various factors on that day etc. I remember my ex boss blew his top when I lip read his telephone conversation with his GF. Lip reading is bit dangerous cos it involves risk in unspoken areas.

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Vintage day for comments today. I actually love the way the faithful go wild every time MMM and Deaf Guy open their mouth. Also the Shoesmith troll is sounding very pissed off, which can only be good.
He could refer himself to social services for support….

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12″50. They may well go wild, but are tellingly silent when challenged by MMM to validate their religious claims. At best, their wildness, or should it be wilderness, displays only abusive ad hominem vitriol.

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2:57 Make up your mind, you can’t make out that both Enfield council and the Vatican 2 Council are the apex of evil.
Incidentally Enfield was where Fr Philip Temple traumatized many of his victims. At his trial the judge particularly comnented on what a cunt he was.

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Anonymous at 3.22pm. I am a bit confused about your comments. The evil Philip Temple committed most of his crimes as a social worker in Lambeth Council, south of the Thames before he became a monk in aptly named Cockfosters in Enfield. If he had been caught all those years ago in Lambeth (notorious for child abuse away back then) there would have been no victims in Enfield.
Your reply to 2.57 does not make any sense. 2.57 does not mention the Vatican or Enffild council being the apex of evil. Enfield council has no involvement. The “Enfield Independent”
serves the London Boroughs of Enfield, Barnet and Haringey.
A happy and Holy Easter to you.
Pax
Garngad Lad

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If they are, I hope it’s by natural attrition and not by redundancy. Going by the way they behave on here, I’d hate to have them out here with us.

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What I love best about this blog is the clerical troll or trolls who make the many comments along the lines today…
…. and thereby reinforce the image problem the priesthood has and incidentally hasten the decline of the church.
Great one, guys. 🫢

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Only one priest comments here (the one who talks about how, despite diminished energy, he carries on sering in his parish). Other commenters are one or or the other of ex-sems, homosexuals, CINOs, Anglicans, athiests or social workers, mainly.

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2:21 I don’t know how he finds time to do all the good work he credits himself with.
No, wait, you mean there’s a priest who’s actual assignment is to troll this blog?

I expect that is because he’s not allowed near any children.

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They actually even do my head in. And after a while they got used to being forced to listen to each other’s homilies, so I’ve set up a special punishment called Appointment with Elsie.

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If this blog was about failings in a profession (such as social workers) the members of that profession would be actively encouraged to read it to learn from it and help prevent the failings happening again. They would actively be referring to it and you would be hard pressed to avoid the blog in professional discussion.
In comparison the fact the clergy deny reading this blog is literally all you need to know about them. And the absence of professionalism or will to learn, is just the start.

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Well, social workersmust be slow learners. This blog occasionally references systemic failings in social services departments, yet it still goes on. The BASW told the NI Assembly that during the first lockdown, looked after children were sent, unaccompanied, to B&Bs outside the NI jurisdiction – in RoI – where they were at the mercy of random adults.

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Priests read this blog more so than the bible, the panic sets in when they see their name and if they see a colleagues they pre warn them also.

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5:59 Our Bishop definitely does, after all he goes to the bother of going walk about to spy on street preachers when he obviously get the tip off from one of his sheep on the ground so he can clock what they on about. Crafty Devil he is.

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The Jews handed him over to the Romans as they didn’t want to get their own hands dirty. Nothing much has changed in the grand scheme of things.

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No. Because he didn’t stay dead. By definition dead means you cease permanently to live.
Jesus didn’t die for your sins, he gave up his weekend.

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I have the same narcissistic qualities as William Mulvihill and Robert Nugent so I do not understand why them two do not see eye to eye and disagree on everything.

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If you are a Christian your act will be absolutely disgusting regardless of what the priest has done to you

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4:35pm Call the retired Guard that was on here yesterday, there is a Priest threatening physical violence – he obviously hasn’t a clue about his job description- Jesus was heckled all the time & priests called poor people out from altar until they got to know themselves with a bit of free education & ran away from the bullshit. 😇

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Never thought I would ever agree with you. But thank you for wishing “Deaf Guy” a happy Easter. And a happy Easter to you too.
Pax
Garngad Lad

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Mulvhill at 8.28pm and garngad lad at 9.59pm
Much appreciated re your comments as I wish you both a very happy Easter. 👋

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Very naughty comment. Not Christian like. DG means no harm but does go on a bit and gets himself in a bit of a muddle at times. I have a lot of time for DG even if I disagree with him at times
DG have a happy, Holy and peaceful Easter.
Pax
Garngad Lad

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Why are people obsessed with priests? They are treated like gods in some places and yet they are intrinsically the evilest of bastards around.

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I heard a priest saying he couldn’t wait til this week was over as he was wrecked. None of you know what a graft is; standing chatting the same shite for twenty minutes a day and an odd funeral and wedding here and there that you look xtra money for. Sick of you all.

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In fairness it’s a busy week for us all, and it is a relief when it’s over but a joy to be able to do.

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Pat: I am very disappointed that you’ve allowed your blog for Holy Week to be dominated by repetitive, nasty, negative and demeaning commentary about bishops and priests. The same narratives have been printed and aired so often. It’s very disheartening, even today, to read the repeat vicious commentary. I would be astonished if you believed all of what you print. I give you the benefit of the doubt. But surely you must realise yourself that there’s something quite nasty, uncharitable and most un-christian to use the TRIDUUM as days to attack and condemn all clerics. Surely, as a caring pastor, in clearer, reflective moments, you must ask – is this continuum of lampooning, mockery and condemnation acceptable, especially during the TRIDUUM? I’m not asking you to stop any criticisms – your blog provides a space for expression – but during this SACRED time, is it warranted? Robert Nugent’s video which you shared yesterday was the most cynical and contemptible attack on a bishop and the clergy and by extension on all bishops, clergy and parishioners.. Quite honestly, I have lost all respect for him. Today, MMM’s use of the wird b******s about Religious Beliefs was profoundly offensive. He too is given access to a daily recitation of the same theme but today, I find it truly shocking. Pat, I wish you well. I hope your Easter celebration will be a transformative one, as I pray it will be for all who genuinely and sincerely profess that Christ is Risen, that God manifests his power over hatred, vengeance and vindictiveness. May all who profess Christ try to live in the light, hope and joy of this Paschal Feast.

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Anon @ 4:31: Can you please explain how someone who sees no evidence for the validity of religious belief is being “profoundly offensive ” (your words) in describing them as a load of bollox,……particularly when he invites believers to explain or demonstrate their validity, they cannot or will not, and the clerical purveyors of such rotten goods continually demonstrate their worthlessness?
Perhaps you simplistically believe religion is so special that it must not be questioned, ……….like its clerics I suppose?
MMM

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8.01: MMM: You’re not a good advert for atheism with your petty, ridiculous repetitiveness. There’s only one huge b******s on this blog: Maisie from the Mournes. Can you be more obnoxious than you are?

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9.53. My neighbour, an English teacher, has been telling his 6th formers about the links and connections between English and Latin. May I give him your comment as a good example of the “ad hominem ” phrase’s negative and hostile usage?

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I fell going into the confession booth and the priest asked me if I had been drinking, it was 7pm at night, is this the mentality of them now? Yapping about having to do a bit extra work and thinking all is parishioners are drinkers?

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People with drink problems are very touchy when asked about it. He must have smelled it (I’m assuming you are not making this up, of course). A drunken confession is probably insincere and thus invalid.

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4.05…Sir, we’re sick of all you haters who do nothing for your neighbourhoods or communities. You deserve only contempt. All laptop haters. Lazy, utterly selfish gobs****s. Take your brain from youf backside..

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But Leo, we don’t need to go out to be useful. We can consecrate our neighborhood to our lady of Fatima sitting at home!
That’s useful. Remember?

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Priests are cocooned from everyday life in their massive seminaries, cathedrals and plush presbyteries which they swan around in. They don’t give a damn. Then there’s always the annual trip to Rome, where they can indulge their belief that the church is a world superpower.

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4.45: You repeat this silly mantra all too often. If priesthood is such a fab job, why don’t you and 1000’s sign up…Come into the real world….

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He has BPD but that wouldn’t kill him, he was getting pushed in a wheel chair remember so he may just have mobility problems

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6.00pm Mickey Harte is from Tyrone. Gerard Mc Aleer was/is PP of Donaghmore. They had a lot to do with Tyrone Football. Its all out there in the Ether. Harte is in Louth….picking a particular shape of GAA footballer. A Roman Catholic Culture is all pervading.

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Are Poppy and the tank putting on a brave show over Easter or have they resolved their issues? Tonights mass will be interesting for the tanks face never lies.

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Pat, roughly of the top of your head, how many clergy do you know off or been told about that is running round with someone sexually?

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There is a TikTok going about belfast of a local priest in the bar drunk and singing karaoke do you want me to forward it to you?

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wont comment on this blog for time being to keep you happy and serene.,
Hope you all a very happy easter 🙂

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Look after each other and live your best lives. Ask yourself, are you currently doing so? Grass is greener. William Mulvihill, Pat Buckley and I can all vouch for it.

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7.00pm there is an s letter missing from your handle. Vouch to who ? There is something very spurious to you….and the fact that Pat prints such stuff begs a question also….Pat and yourself can vouch for whatever you like….you odious one, don’t know why you would be ex.

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With seminarians few and far between, lay workers may be the only option for some dioceses unless they engage priests overseas or lift the ban on gays.

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Pat I wonder will Rawhide Dick Purcell go back to Roscrea for previous Abbot Fr.Kevin OCSO funeral? Today you are reflecting on a priestess church . Certainly it will be church with empty monasteries.

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Can someone explain how Shaun Doherty of Highland radio is being ordained a deacon in Rome this coming June, when he has only just announced he’s joining the priesthood to his listeners. I’m going to assume he’s not being fast tracked to ordination?

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8.01
The details are none of your business. The man doesn’t need your approval, much less, your consent to make defining choices.

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May I wish anyone open to its recieving the deep meanings of the Easter Exultet, particularly the like of Bishop Buckley , Bishop Router and Bishop Duignan of Galway and Clonfert. Not the contribution of a narcissist as someone referred to me earlier but the contribution of a believer. May I wish Robert Nugent a Happy Easter also…It is a pity there are not more wishes on this necessary Blog. Bishop Buckley, Happy Easter to you and Eduardo and those who eucharist at your culinary dining table this weekend…..whatever you as a bishop like the rest of them get up to at yer Altar tables!!!

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9.30 Had to look it up. Its particular to the North of Ireland…..your orbit where I don’t belong. Glad you are not in mine.

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William, I hope and pray that is not a dig at Bishop Michael Router or Bishop Paul Duignan as they are both very good and Holy Men.
Sean Brady or Eamon Martin could not lace their shoes so God willing Bishop Michael Router gets Derry or Down and Connor and not too long with Eamon Martin.
Easter Exultet to you.

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9.53 Thank you for the greeting. No dig. Sincerity like most here: not your forte…in person or ability to identify. That comes with assimilation to ” the Cleric.” As I blogged: Rising from this tomb.

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9.53 Michael Duignan….not Paul….of Galway and Clonfert. When you can’t get someones name right…says plenty…like Kevin Doran on RTE last evening and on his/ Diocesan Twitter pages….didnt even have the decency to use their names……didnt have the decency to use their names….both Christian names given at their baptism I am sure!! Bishops really are steeped in the Faith!!!!! That is a dig! Astounded I was…..his way of getting his way!!

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9.53 P.S. Sean Brady would happily lace, tie or eat Michael Duignans laces. Lol….Lol……you are not in the loop! He probably polishes Michael R.s shoes ( as a guarantee for a good funeral show and its insurance). Two decent men, Michael D and Michael R…..but my masters voice!

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Thank you Seamusviii……..and Happy Easter to you too tomorrow and on the 24th also!! May the Nazarene preserve you from all Ankle Tap s now and always!!

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The Nazerene did not rise postJewish sabbat. The lie of resurrection began with the Jewish followers of this deadbeat.

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Shall be awake very early this Easter morn, at dawn, for an hour of prayerful vigil. This is traditional for me. To mark the resurrection of Our Lord, and our salvation.

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Priestless Church will never happen. The Priesthood of the Faithful Anyone can baptise.
Its the lineage of Christ not just Peter we follow

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