EMAIL TO PHONSIE
Dear Phonsie,
Is is true that Father Xxxxx Xxxxxx stole € 70,000 of church funds and you are allowing him to pay it back at € 5,000 per annum?
Did you report this serious crime to the Gardai?
If not, why not?
Is it true that you stated to another priest at the time that nobody would ever find out about this crime?
Is Father Xxxxxx paying interest as well as paying the capital.
Do you not think that the people of Waterford and Lismore, whose money was stolen, should be informed about this crime?
Have you initiated canonical proceedings against Fr Xxxxxx ?
If not, why not?
Your brother bishop,
+ Pat Buckley
EMAIL TO THE GARDAI IN WATERFORD
Dear Chief Superintendent Dunne,
I have been made aware that a serious crime has been committed in your divisional area.
A Father Xxxx Xxxxxx , a priest of the Diocese of Waterford and Lismore is alleged to have stolen the sum of € 70,000 from diocesan funds.
The Bishop of Waterford and Lismore, Phonsie Cullinane has made a private arrangement with Father Xxxxxx to pay monies back at the rate of € 5,000 over a period of 14 years.
As the money was donated by the public of Waterford and Lismore this is a serious matter of public concern.
As a priest, who lived in and was ordained in Waterford, and having family members still residing in Waterford, I have a strong interest and involvement in that area and feel that because of my connection I am a person who can legitimately report this matter to the Gardai.
Father Xxxxxx still resides in the Waterford area.
Sincerely yours,
(Bishop) Patrick Buckley.
Larne. Co. Antrim. BT40 1RQ
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
230 replies on “DID PHONSIE CULLINAN COVER UP FOR A PRIEST WHO STOLE € 70,000 FROM HIS DIOCESE OF WATERFORD AND LISMORE?”
I knew the clergy’s repeated protestations that this couldn’t happen because there were safeguards in place, were a lie.
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Why don’t you ask Willy Lee?
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Is he involved in this matter?
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Has Joe retracted his defence of Phonsie yet?
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This is extremely serious. Another example of the moral rot that is causing the institutional church to crumble.
The priest who allegedly stole the money must, at least, have been a parish priest to have had access to such a large sum. Presumably, it was stolen in instalments, over a period of time, to avoid suspicion. But the theft of this amount could not have remained in the shadows forever. Did a bank audit expose the theft?
The alleged theft is bad enough, but Cullinan’s choosing not to report the matter to the police is close on its heels. This, if true, is another instance of episcopal cover-up, with echoes of the child-rape concealment by bishops.
I wonder what Jap Joe will have to say about Cullinan now.
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There may of course be further iniquity depending on what he used the money for.
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7.28
I did suggest a number of possibilities, but Pat redacted them, doubtless for his own good reasons.
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Dint think we should speculate until we know.
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12.16
Must be a ‘desk priest’, then. Phonsie’s secretary?
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Realistically, Phonsie would not be alone in his knowledge of this serious financial discrepancy – they must have had someone doing the accounts & some method of linking counting of donations/collections to bank account balance for parish.
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I understand it was diocesan and not parish money.
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It doesn’t rain but it pours, in that diocese.
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It has been a difficult few days for the diocese. With 21 talents and 2 super talents, they gave the Diocese of Limerick a fright. Limerick’s 30 talents however were sufficient for a jolly good game.
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.”
Someone might have been influenced by this bible passage.
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Typical confused crap from Seamus.
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I’ve been influenced by that bible passage and as a result have to tell you that your fault is that your comments are usually nonsensical.
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10:15, the first paragraph is a reference to hurling. Many of us enjoy our finest Gaelic Games. The second paragraph is a reference to a biblical passage if one happens to sin against you. It is not a judgement on the incident that occurred. I will leave that judgement to the relevant authorities.
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???
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9:23 If you can say something in a way which will communicate wtf you’re getting at (and you obviously can) you might as well do so.
Not surprised it’s part of your Irish pose though.
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11:33, people can be smug in their reading of the New Testament. They are reading through a modern day lens. Parables were communicated and were not always immediately understood. Blog stories are teased out from time to time. The problem with modern day secular society is that the secularists want to be spoonfed.
If you give a man a fish, he will be hungry tomorrow. If you teach a man to fish, he will be richer forever.
Pax.
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6:23 That’s nice.
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Good for you, Pat, the Guards will have to look into this and justice will be served.
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The Guards will come back and say it is a Diocesan issue and has been addressed internally as it has not been reported by the Bishop or Mr lee Walsh the Director of Finance.
The only way to sort the Bishop is to name the Priest to the media as some clergy will not know anything about the issue unless the Priest as been placed on a Sabbatical.
If this had been in the UK then the forensic department would investigate the accounts.
This is a big cover up with the Bishop and his Director of Finance and the Dioceses and parishes should all be on SAGE software so the Dioceses knows every movement of Parish funds.
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Surely the Garda will have to investigate a crime, no matter who reported it?
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I am sure the Charities Regulator will be interested as it demonstrates “A risk of significant loss or damage to a charity, its assets or beneficiaries”. A report should be filed with them.
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The misuse of charitable funds route will get this further. The trouble with police these days is they only investigate if there is a complainant or if deemed in the public interest.
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11.42am – Good call about the Charities Regulator. Perhaps Pat might raise the matter with the Regulator?
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He will be thrown in jail alright
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Don’t be so sure with the guards for various reasons esp as the Chief Superintendent which Pat contacted is v v v corrupt himself, a point to be publicly flagged soon I hear
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A Priest in Galloway Scotland stole 90 thousand and paid it back. Bishop Nolan Suspended him got the Police and charged him he went to prison for 18 months.
Bishop Nolan laisised him by Rome and he is now married.
Sadly for all the othe Priests they were placed onto SAGE accounts and must be sent to Diocesan offices on Monday.
So if this is true the same should have happened to the Waterford Priest.
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SAGE is horrible to use. Most parishes would need to employ a SAGE expert to do it.
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+Pat, this revelation of theft, if true, begs lots of questions.
Why would a manager of a diocesan business, the bishop, simply agree a ‘payback ‘ of theft without such a serious matter being dealt with by the appropriate civil judicial authorities?
What penalty if any, has the alleged thief incurred? Surely it is inconceivable that such behaviour by someone should in any way be virtually ignored by allowing them to “remain in post”, if this individual was allowed to continue as a clerical representative of the RCC?”
There’s many more “questions”, in terms of very basic legal issues. But it certainly seems that there’s a very different rule, and a preferential clerical one, for the RCC.
MMM
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MMM, to their chagrin I keep commenting here that the church has not learned the lessons of the abuse scandal, although they think they have.
The connection here is that Phonsie hasn’t learned that if you let someone off with crime it comes back and bites you. Another one possibly is that while people do sometimes commit single isolated crimes, more usually once you start it escalates. It is virtually guaranteed there will be a load of things behind the scenes not in today’s blog post.
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As you point out, MMM, theft can happen anywhere. It’s why we need locks and keys, safes and complicated passwords. Why, even in Newry, the ‘Ra mints fake £1 coins.
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Do you get one of your many taxpayer funded, gold plated pensions at the Post Office, MMM?
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@10:38:
A comment by Anon @ 9:21 refers to the practice of certain individuals “having a go ” irrespective of what I comment about. The “gos” are invariably ad hominem sour grapes🍇 🍇, usually reflecting the writer’s limitations. Your question @ 10:38 is just ‘par for the course’, and perhaps inspired by jealousy as well as sour grapes. 😅
But if it helps you feel better………do carry on. WOADB.🦆🦆🦆💦💦💦👍
MMM
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10:38 I’ve also got a taxpayer funded pension.
Keep spitting feathers. 🦃
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1.09pm. Another parasite. At least church offerings are voluntary, but state taxes are levied on the poor, (who won’t get a gold plated pension), to pay pensions for desk jockeys from the unproductive part of the economy ie the public sector, which does not create wealth but only consumes it.
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1:27 I’m sure every public sector worker in your area will be happy to see you go private.
It is no surprise that you resent paying tax, since that money is used to help people other than yourself.
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Anon@ 1.27. And quite right you are too!
No doubt you take your own rubbish to the tip, …..oh no, that’s public sector council layabout territory! And of course you don’t use a car or bus on those public sector roads? And I bet you have private health insurance to avoid wasteful public hospitals, as well of course as private education for your kids, and…..and……..???
You know the sheer lack of understanding of some people is worrying to think they too have equal voting rights.
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Kelvin Kevin, all those services could be done by the private sector at lower cost and to a higher standard. A place in social services residential care costs far more than a place in Eton.
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A night in a childrens home costs much more than a night at the Ritz. A child would be safer and much better cared for in the Ritz.
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5:50 and 6:42 have never seen the inside of the Ritz or Eton.
What’s the matter? Are you going to make up some abuse in the children’s home you were brought up in after your mother quite rightly decided you needed professional intervention?
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@5:50: are you aware of studies and research on the constant failures of the “private sector services ” both in terms of their exorbitant costs and failures to provide services of sufficient quality? Lots of formerly privatised services have had to be returned to public sector provision.
Over years I’ve read of this as a regular occurence. The Tory press machine constantly downplays their failures by covering it up, and why wouldn’t they: it’s all their own cronies benefitting.
Do some objective research before spouting Tory mantra.
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POST OFFICE SKULLDUGGERY:
Anyone watch Panorama tonight? Horrendous revelation of UK Post Office’s unwarranted prosecution and 700+ convictions of sub post masters for theft, when PO management had already been made aware the issue was that their own faulty computer system had caused the alleged financial shortfalls. Rather than admit their own system failures they chose to prosecute innocent postmasters, creating what subsequent appeals courts described as the most widespread miscarriage ever of justice by abuse of the criminal justice system.
Take note: the Chief Executive of the PO was Paula Vennells, an ORDAINED ANGLICAN PRIEST. She refused to respond to Panorama’s questions concerning her actions.
So much for religious propriety, but at least we see the RCC doesn’t have exclusive rights to skullduggery!
MMM
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Yes terrible. The only thing she did right was to resign her ministry, but only after it came out. Boris won’t even do that.
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She should be prosecuted, convicted, and sent to prison for a very long time.
Whose head will roll for this?! Some of those innocent postmasters/mistresses committed suicide.
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MMM without distracting from the horrendous subject matter of your comment, I would just like to say that it is a masterpiece, guaranteed to leave the cathbots unsure whether to have a go because it’s you commenting or because it’s an Anglican or because it’s a woman – or, of course, whether to try to make out that these things are widespread in ‘society’ in an attempt to deflect from the church.
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Typical Anglican.
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Priests should not be in business. Stephen Green was also an ordained Anglican priest and head of HSBC. Under his leadership of HSBC, the Panorama programme broadcasted “The Bank of Tax Cheats” exposing the complicity of HSBC’s Swiss private bank.
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Wasn’t there a Methodist minister high up in the Co-Op Bank?
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If he was an Anglican he wasn’t a priest, therefore he is not an example of a priest being in business.
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The Anglicans have priests too.
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1:57 I think he was called Flowers and the story was hilarious.
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Paul Flowers was the Randy Rev in the Co-Op.
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/23/coop-scandal-paul-flowers-mutual-societies
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Yes, the Methodist minister at the coop liked rent boys and drugs.
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They called him the Crystal Meths-odist.
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Well done, MMM, for derailing today’s dicussion with you post office obsession. Are you a stamp collector or something?
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Why not? You derail it every day by bullying MMM!
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CORRECTION TO 7.29
“TRYING TO!” (bully me)
I just laugh at their feeble efforts when all they achieve is to demonstrate inadequacy.
MMM
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What on earth did the priest spend €70k on? These lads are not living in the real world at all – they get a free house, a salary, etc., & then sticking fingers in the till. Surely a big bully like Phonsie would have been able to get to the bottom of what priest had done with money when he was unable to refund it in full on discovery.
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Drug addiction, gambling addiction or blackmail.
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Grindr premium subscriptions and holidays in the Canaries don’t pay for themselves, you know.
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No wonder these priests can have holiday homes in the sun – the rise in cost of living won’t bother them.
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Da Phonz is a prince of the church, he answers only to God. Bishops and clergy have been told not to read your blog or to comment in public or private about you or your blog Pat. DLF refers to you as a fruitcake while Da Phonz uses that bastard Buckley. You have them rattled, keep up the good work!
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6:49 Since when have Cathbots ordained or lay resisted temptation?! This blog is like a honeypot for bees to those sticky fingered slandering crooks!
We all know who the real bastards are, Phonsie & Co.
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Who is the priest in question and why can you not name him?
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I’ve decided not to name him just yet.
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A wise decision. We have to be careful speculating and naming names. It could prejudice a possible trial.
Pax
Garngad Lad
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9.07
Naming a suspect could prejudice a possible trial? Absolute nonsense! The news media name people charged with crimes before they come to trial.
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10.19 – only when they’ve been charged. Until then, even an arrested person is not named. The papers say that a person is “helping the police with their enquiries”.
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9.37
Yes,I said ‘charged’.
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Pat at 8.06am.
Garngad lad at 9.07am
Yes it’s wise move cos it might disrupt the due process afforded to him in the first place.
Let him answer to that garsai first.
Usually afterwards, it’s a slap in the wrist 🤷♂️. (depending how severe is the nature of that theft).
The odds of recurring theft will probably be taken into acoount given his record to date.
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11.35
I didn’t say he was charged. I was answering an abstract point by Garngad Lad.
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12.01
Do you actually read comments, or just assume you do?
I was not referring to the priest in question, but to a point you made: that naming names could prejudice a possible trial. That comment was indeed abject and arrant nonsense. And I told you why: that news media report the names of those CHARGED with crimes all the time, proving that such reporting is not considered by the courts to be prjeudicial to those reported on, even though they have not yet come to trial. Clearly, then (at least to those paying attention), I could not have been (and categorically wasn’t) referring to the priest in question.
Some of you people are extraordinarily hard work intellectually.
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10.48 he hasn’t been chatged, hence cannot be named
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Anonymous at 10.19am. It is not nonsense. As I understand this case, a police investigation has not yet taken place, As Deaf Guy has said, due process has to be seen to be done. Another thing that has to be said is, serious defamation of character. Let due process continue and when proved in a court of law, we will let rip. Let’s not jump the gun. Keep the heid as we say in the Garngad.
Pax
Garngad Lad
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Yet the priest that meets up in his car with guys he has met on Grindr gets off the hook again as he meets lads from Protestant backgrounds.
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Mixed marriages can be promlematic. He should stick to Catholics.
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Pat will you ever reveal the name of the priests living with their lovers?
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People just have to accept that workforces change. For example, primary school teaching and medical general practice are becoming majority female professions as the old hands retire and females dominate entry. Same with lay theology students and parish pastoral workers. However, bin lorries and sewerage works remain 100% male occupations and are likely to be for some time.
There is a similar change in the profile of the religious life and priesthood. There has always been strong representation of lesbians in convents, becoming more overt after Vatican II.
Among the men, the religious life has joined other gay occupations, such as nursing, fashion, ballet, theatre (the arts generally), cabin crews, high-end retailing, Oxbridge colleges, Anglican theological colleges (not so much in the evo ones), sunbed salons, sunglasses shops in airports, counselling, and the Royal Navy.
There is no point in trying to fight it, even if you wanted to. Those who make the decisions on entry (bishops, abbots, vocations directors, spiritual directors, formators) are themselves gay. There is a well-known phenomenon in secular recruitment that recruiters favour people like themselves or who remind them of themselves when they were younger. It seems to be human nature and needs anti-bias training and affirmative action to combat it.
It’s the same phenomenon in the modern priesthood. Gays are recruiting gays. It doesn’t help that the majority of candidates are gay, and until the blog intervened, treated Maynooth as a place of gay wonder and delight.
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‘primary school teaching and medical general practice are becoming majority female professions as the old hands retire’
What an idiotic comment. If you had ever set foot in a primary school you would see that.
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It would seem that +Phonsie’s response to alleged financial or sexual misconduct contrasts sharply with his treatment of Fr Shirley’s minor waywardness.
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I once read people are in Mountjoy for not paying for their television license. Likewise, in the UK, people over seventy-five are also threatened for non-payment.
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My pension plan is when I’m old if I find I can’t afford to live I’ll assault a police officer and go to prison. Easy. And if I’ve got no teeth by then I won’t half be popular.
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7:46am Joe Bloggs has to toe the line you know! Middle class clergy, doctors, teachers & police work together to remind everyone who is in charge on your local patch you know! They appear to find it gratifying to knowingly attempt to instil the fear factor on the weaker & more vulnerable & No let up for sick or elderly, easy targets for arrogant opportunists.
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Great investigative journalism, Pat!
You are giving them stomach ulcers.
Rogues, the lot of them!
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I wonder what the next big scandal out of W&L will be…
They cannot stop giving…
There is always more….
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This is not a big deal because it doesn’t involve children. — Joe O’Leary
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Howling.
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Ask Bishop Balls about the cover up from Lisbreen Palace about the shady finances of a church in County Down, that allows a priest to holiday at least 4 times a year
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The well known swindling priest
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Great reporting our Pat, you will bring Phonsie down
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Phonsie is guilty of that himself son
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Phonsie will survive but his ego will be very sore, I cannot but contrast his treatment of Rawhide and this swindling priest to his treatment of Richard Geoeghan who by all accounts is a thoroughly decent man who hasn’t abused or swindled anyone.
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Totally agree.
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What was that song by Gloria Gaynor? I will survive? Phonsie could make it his anthem. God knows he could do with such a morale booster: his shit is always hitting the fan.
What a liability!
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7:17am the inner circles of Clericals are well insulated & protected. This comparison of leniency shown by Bishop Fonzie to Rawhide Purcell & to Money Fiddler PP but blatant bullying of Fr Richard Geoghegan, a genuine & committed clergyman, is yet another of many examples throughout the RCC that confirms this.
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Your holiness at 10:26
I think a competent musician could work the tune to fit Ecce Sacerdos Magnus.
Or paruus in this case.
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Wow, you can never trust a priest at all. Sexual and financial deviants the lot of them. And yet they remain a kink for some lay people.
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8:13am increasingly priests are only a kink for attention seeking control freaks or those with job or business connections to church. Some laity are markedly off putting & some are abusive & most unchristian of their positions showing up the church negatively just as much if not more than clergy in some respects.
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I did it my way.
I’ll still do it my way.
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What does a priest spend that sort of money on?
Was he getting blackmailed?
May be more to this story than meets the eye Pat.
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Maybe?
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Or does he have info on da Fonzie, Rawhide Purcell etc that could be embarrassing and made Fonzie give him a handy way out?
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And yet, poor aul Fr Richard Geoghan was given the boot basically cos… Phonsie didn’t like him? 🤔
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I feel sorry for him. Men should be allowed to dress up in any clothing they want. What is the difference between him dressing as Tina Turner and Tim Bartlett as Elvis?
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Bartlett as Elvis? I’d pay good money to see that!!😂
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This is a real disgrace but no surprise really as the Church is an Old Boys club. If you are inside the circle, do what you want. Molest kids, chase women and take their money, have gay affairs, rob 70k. All fine. Not in the circle and do a Shirley Bassey act? Fired. The RCC is just the absolute puts.
Robbing 70k, no matter from whom or where, is a Garda matter. Well done Pat on sending the Fuzz the details.
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When are you going to send your investigation team to Derty Derry? The shenanigans of Priests up here would make your eyes water Bishop Buckley.
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So the priests and bishops put the blame on Buckley for exposing the truth… But the truth is ok so long as people don’t know? Swindlers and liars… This needs to be circulated in a more widespread fashion – the ordinary parishioners (donors) who are facilitating such behaviour are not aware of the level of corruption which seems to be an everyday occurrence in the Catholic Church in Ireland.
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Yip!
The motto of the Catholic episcopate could be: Whatever you do, it doesn’t matter; but whenever you do it, don’t get caught.
Looks as though Phonsie has broken the cardinal rule. 😱
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9:16. Many residents in parishes everywhere not just Killaloe do not want to Know & that will remain the safer option & case for them whilst Church continue to control schools. Take a closer look at incestuous links between some school staff & management boards & clericals. Promotion & staff progression within schools is often linked to local families with relatives also involved in church management, a safe pair of complicit hands. It’s all about control, censorship & self interested propaganda where it suits.
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In a couple of days we’ve gone from the Land of the Rising Sun to the Land of the Rising Sum.
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Top quality
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And maybe in a few more days if another priest is involved we might have a case of th rising bum!!
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Why is a County Tyrone Priest allowed to cross dress, answer the door in tights and it is covered up?
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Because the model the church functions on is a mediaeval city state with the bishop in the place of the king, and he can do pretty much what he damn well pleases.
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Phonsie cracks down hard on the silliest crap and yet this sets a precedent. Bareback in the scullery’s of wherever you want Fathers but you even think of putting on a pair of knickers and you will get sacked. Very interesting blog piece today. That priest who has dwindled the money should come clean.
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Bad things can happen when you cover up fraud. A bank in Enniskillen covered up fraud by an employee, who was sacked but the theft wasn’t reported to the police. The fraudster therefore had a clean record and then went on to get a new job and defrauded another company.
Must be something in the water down there. Fr Jack McCabe was a teacher in St Michael’s College, Enniskillen. When Bishop Joe Duffy learned of Fr McCabe’s CSA he didn’t report him to the police and in fact gave him a reference which helped him secure another teaching job in Hazelwood Integrated College near Belfast.
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/19966199.1-9m-fraudster-sacked-enniskillen-bank-stealing/
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https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/washington-ex-lobbyist-runs-anon-trad-website
Anonymous trad blogger allegedly outed.
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The thing about all these right wingers is they’re really driven by self interest so are bound to go for each other sooner or later.
Apart from that the sheer insanity in that article is striking – for example one fascist reporting another fascist for calling a third fascist a coward for wanting to remain neutral in the Russia/Ukraine ‘mess’ [sic].
Pro tip: you read that right and if you don’t recognize Putin as just plain wrong there’s something seriously wrong with your moral compass.
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If the allegation of theft stands up, how will the priest pay back €5000 annually? Voluntarily? 🤣 Or will His Lordship Phonsie deduct it from the priest’s salary?
How much are these men paid per year?! 😱
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It’s being deducted from his salary yearly – € 5000
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Jesus! Sorry for the language, Pat, but I’m astonished.
That priest can afford to have €5000 deducted, every month, from his salary? EVERY MONTH?
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€ 20,000 plus
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Sorry, every year
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How much is a priests salary?
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This is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to financial irregularities amongst clergy.
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Nothing tastes sweeter than a priest getting caught out by Pat.
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€25k-ish annually in Killaloe
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And € 30000 plus in Clogher.
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And also remember out of that money they aren’t paying rent/ mortgage/ rates- feeding a family ( I dare say many of them eat well and free – their clerical gear a passport to many freebies) – usually drive a car heavily subsided by the parish etc
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11:24am Also don’t forget the private inheritances that they quietly receive – mentions in Wills that are sometimes a surprise to family & at times out of proportion to the means of the deceased – cash for regular house visits – cash tips from complicit & influential cohorts in high places for some.
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That works out at around €15 an hour, for a standard working week of 9 to 5, Monday – Friday.
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Anyone afraid to say a Dawn Mass because of a few drops of rain should be deducted money also.
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Softeners from sodalities
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I am baffled by the RC stipend. Does it depend on where you live as to the stipend you receive from the church? In England, Rc Clergy appear to receive between £2000-
£6000 pa
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https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8B0wHyljWz8/Wk_BIOv-WqI/AAAAAAAATcc/PEQNHJqaHsgxqznZB2UzGaOIt7uAy8RewCLcBGAs/s1600/1514983744974.jpg%E2%80%93new_bishop_appointed_to_diocese_of_ossory.jpg
How much do Bishops get Pat? It is rumoured among the members of finance counsel that Dermot Ledwith Farrell receives €70k+ and also his travel expenses.
😱
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Ah! The servants of the humble Nazarene, who had SFA. And what did he tell these parasites?
A SERVANT IS NOT GREATER THAN HIS MASTER.
Ack! But that was a long time ago and doesn’t apply now.
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12.37: Indeed, much of what Jesus said seems not to be relevant for some clerics and for many so called Catholic Christians. Just look at the interpretations the Oratory has given to the Gospels. It’s as if a Patricius Compendium from the Oratorium has been imprimateured by Patsy. Anything goes. The gospel of Jesus is barely recognisable because when Pat applies it to his chosen targets they are flattened by his abuse of it instead of being evangelised into a true METANOIA, if you know what I mean….
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They don’t get as much as they used to now there are fewer seminarians and an increased risk of exposure on this blog. It’s not like the days of Cardinal Spellman and the chorus boys.
No, wait, did you mean how much money?
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😅
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Plus DLF will have a big pension from Maynooth.
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@6.18pm Seamus they should deduct money from you everytime you open your cakehole.
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+ Pat. I am in the Diocese of W & L . As a parishioner I feel I would be entitled to know if one of the priests in my parish is a criminal
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Well you know what to do.
1. Write to da Fonz telling him you will be witholding all contributions until he makes a public statement about this.
2. Put the letter on diocesan social media as a reply to tweets or posts on Facebook.
3. Withold money.
4. Tell your friends.
5. Report this to the charity regulator in Eire, whatever it’s called.
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Its called Ireland, only trolls refer it as Eire
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Mags, I just got my copy of the Irish Constitution down from the shelf. Its preamble states:
“We, the people of Éire, humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathersthrough centuries of trial…”
In Article 4 it says the name of the country is Éire.
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5:32 Madam Harrington will without doubt be a priest pissed at the thought the faithful might actually starve them into behaving like adults instead of princesses. Incidentally he won’t really care what the country’s called.
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@12.27pm Clerical garb is indeed a passport for clergy freebies in restraunts, hotel dining rooms and eating houses in general. My deceased wife and I often witnessed this when often out dining together. I have been really unwell of late due to Covid but I am ok now. I don’t cook so I go out with a friend and fully intend getting out again to have a good snoop at these clergy gluttons. The clerical collar in some places is used likr a VIP pass to get the best attention, best table and best food (even if not on the menu).
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Keep up the good work. 👍
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1:12pm Glad to hear that you are on the mend. The weather is getting nicer now so perfect for getting out and about. Yes, the clerical garb is useful & still works in hospitality to obtain informal privileges. I always noticed that the late Bishop Casey was always treated very well around Gort in his later years – he was very chatty & charismatic to everyone around him. You’d never guess what he was really like if you hadn’t read it in the newspapers. I used to feel a bit sorry for him because I felt that Annie Murphy didn’t report him until he ran out of church funds to Rob for her & the child & then I heard that he is alleged to have abused his relative. We look forward to reading your observations from your outings. Best wishes.
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@1.12pm Sorry to hear you were unwell and wondered what had happened to you. Glad to see you are back and on form.
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1.12: You’re inventing folklore and stories that have no basis in reality. Most clergy do not wear clerical garb when going out to socialise. You know that but it suits you to believe otherwise. Once in a way distant past the freebie might – just might – have been given but not now. It rarely happened to me and I’m not comfortable with the idea that because I happen to be a priest that someone should feel obliged to give me a free drink or meal…However, parishioners are very kind in expressing their gratitude in ither own ways. Your comment is utterly formless, uneducated and purely fake. You enjoy the superlative exaggerations. And when you return to your dining out, just MYOB and try to enjoy your tiny, frugal morsels…Soon none of us might not be able to afford such little luxuries. In the meantime MYOB….Gawping at others is infantile and stupid .🍋🍋🍌🍌🍋🍋🍌🍌🍅🍅🍓🍓🍒🍒🍋🍋🍌🍌🍋🍋..Try lemons and bananas and tomatoes – good for digestive system!!!
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@3.34pm I am not sure who you are trying to convince apart from yourself but your theory is rubbish. You may not dine out in your clerics (why dont you) but others I assure you do. You are the one prone to exaggeration as your post prooves.
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@3.34 pm
What a load of pony you write. What about those who go out in their cassock or monks habit. I know because I have seen.
Silly man so you are.
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6:02
Quite. I think most readers are well aware that denials like that at 3:34 are clear admissions.
Did I mention that nobody believes a word they say any more?
Actually I’m looking forward to reading about 3:34 here. That’s why he’s so defensive.
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@3.34pm What crap you talk mate. Priests and religious don’t have to dine out in their garb, shifts and get ups. If they are in mufti they still stick out like sore thumbs. You can spot a group of nuns or priests dining out anytime. I think that poor man you attacked who has got over Covid, his point was they use their influence wearing garb to getting attention and special treatment as opposed to having a meal for free. You obviously have a pastoral heart Reverend attacking him in such a way.
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3.11 Hibernia or Hibernus is best… before climate change…. and it’s been Eire for much longer than Ireland. Respectfully, may I use Rita in reply? Language and it’s use is morally neutral so long as we are not inventive in its concern!!! The Borgias are mentioned here today….I remember Neil Jordan on the Late Late telling the listenership that they couldn’t get financial backing for the film on the Borgias; Pat asked him why and he answered that Religion and Banking is big business. It was made with Colin Farrell ( I think ) eventually. Some inventive contributions to smear are never good…. I wonder Bishop Pat has Elon Musk any interest beyond Twitter?
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5.19….. are big business….. error
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If it’s who I think it is he doesn’t have a parish, lives in a diocesan house and does a bit of supply when needed, a whiff of sulphur around him I can’t remember why?
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How many on the MIA list in W&L.?
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Book V of the Code of Canon Law concerns the temporal goods of the Church. Phonsie appears to have failed in his obligations to exercise careful vigilence and to account to the faithful for the use of their offerings. Presumably he will self-report his shortcomings to the appropriate departments in Rome?
https://www.vatican.va/archive/cod-iuris-canonici/eng/documents/cic_lib5-cann1254-1310_en.html
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And Phonsie’s a canon lawyer. So he must have known, or should have known. Which makes it WORSE for him.
Time to go, Phonsie. Give yourself the boot, as you did poor Fr Richard Geoghan.
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2.14
Phonsie’s postgrad is in moral theology and not canon law.
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But he knows more about canon law than morality!
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6.27
I thought he had a doctorate in Canon Law. 🤔
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Maynooth hasn’t had a functioning can law department for many years. The so-called faculty of canon law has only one member of staff – Mullaney – who is also the President. Is it any wonder that the canonical process has broken down, with bishops either refusing to take action or being excessive when they do.
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Better minds interns of I.Q and academic rankings were available for that posting, particularly Paddy Connolly of Clogher. Brady needed a “ yes man.” That’s where Reverend Professor Mullaney got to shine. Rome Vs Canada ! Clerical finishing school Vs a place of scholarship.
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Phonsie Cullinan & his team would appear to have a highly selective moral compass & eyesight – it’s all who you know & who you are mentality it seems.
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2.16 A moral vacuum would be more accurate…. He in his mind and the RCC teaching is “ Christ “ in Waterford. Most scholarly contribution I have ever read on that idea/ teaching is in the introduction to the Ferns Report.
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7.01…. Interns should read in terms….
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Is it true that pope alexander vi had a family and his son poisoned him?
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2.18
I believe he acknowledged 9 children. I hadn’t heard the detail about poisoning and his son. Worth checking out. He was in his 73rd year and in 1503 that was ancient.
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Thank you for reply The middle ages popes seemed to have been a law unto themselves.Not at all like
St Peter
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RCC = Mafia
Did anyone find out where the ordination party was held for Fr. Antun and how much did that shindig cost??
The question still remains in regards to the whereabouts of the five figure sum of money that was in Fr. Ger’s account? Will the Gardai investigate or is Lugs hiding the evidence?
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Meal in Ennis cost € 6,000
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Have they refunded Carole her money spent on their Fr Ger Fitzgerald still listed as c/o Killaloe yet?
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Fr. Antun’s friend is Deacon Stephen Wilson and he took great delight informing everyone that Deacon Stephen will be ordained at the end of June.
There were two receptions in the Pastoral centre both nights paid for by the Cathedral.
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There was also a € 6,000 hotel meal for 120 people.
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I see the P&O ferry is adrift off Larne, Pat.
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5.51: So what? At €6,000 for 120 peoole, thats excelkent. What dud tour irdinaruin meal and other family cebratiins cost? Remember Pat, ciuples pay almost twice that and more for about same number of guests. But what’s the significance of publishing this info about a newly ordained? I borrowed for my reception as my mother was a widow. But the amount I received in gifts, money especially, paid for all my borrowed funds! It is good to celebrate and rejoice with family, relatives, friends and neighbours.
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Between Elon Musk with Twitter and Mary Lou and RTE, along with multitudinous others around the globe, social media is heading for tectonic shifts.
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@5.26pm Plus Gerry Adama and the BBC defamation lawsuit at present. You can’t make false claims about a named person online anymore without facing the legal consequences.
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And hate speech legislation coming down the tracks too.
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5.56
Scotland already has all the hate speech either vocabulary, written or online.
Wales is due to follow just like Boris is as well.
NO should face Hate or threats of violence in person or online.
A case last week happened in Italy and the defence said the trial cannot take place as it did not happen but under all the new Scottish Parliament acts it took place.
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Elon Musk wants to ban anonymous accounts on Twitter. Maybe the blog should initiate such a policy.
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Isn’t Stephen Nolan challenging another troll, a man who lives in Kerry who apparently gives him constant abuse on social media?
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6.15pm
I agree with banning anonymous posts.
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Lots of people, especially priests, post here anonymously to prevent episcopal retaliation
My information on the stolen € 70,000 came from within the W&L presbyterate
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The day that Phonsie refused +Pat communion at Mgr Shines funeral I remarked to my housekeeper that Cullinan will pay for that. I told her that Karma would bite his arse and that Buckley would get his revenge. Looks like its payback time. Most priests in our diocese have been calling each other all day howling at Bishop Phonsie’s predicament . He’s now a bloody laughing stock.
Well done Pat.
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6:04pm what a very unchristian & shocking thing to do to anyone / particularly by a cover up merchant for a bishop like Fonzie. No doubt he’d have given the likes of Rawhide Purcell a full chalice of host if they wanted it. Smart Alec Jerry Carey was also noted to “play games” with people he knew were onto him at communion time but didn’t have the balls to actually refuse the communion host. Foul mouth too he had when caught off guard. Toxic.
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Some priests get great satisfaction in refusing communion which shows that they are a bully and unchristian . If they put out false information about a person and you can get proof of it then the person is in their right to take defamation charges against them and sue the pants off them.
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6.34 I as “Martin” (😂😂)” would comment here “ profoundly “ ( absolutely ridiculous of him) agree. Simple; I agree, no anonymity to anything derogatory/ derisory or defaming. Long overdue as one here who posts under my name( and once as “ the spy who lived me”).
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6.52….. who loved me…..error
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An Taoiseach Michael Martin advocates the importance and role that social media plays in the right of the individual to express free speech. It forms part of his overall vision to combat corruption as in the recent success against organised crime in relation to the Kinihan family. As long as one has proof & is speaking the truth, do not fear the corrupt censors & their threats.
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5.56 And British legislation coming for sentient beings; Lobsters to get protection. Amazing change. The Book of Genesis is getting a well overdue correction; the earth is not for Humans to do as the “reputed” Divine dictate decreed. Decrees to go too!!
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The Greens are treating turf like a sentient being. Our rural brethren won’t be able to burn a few sods of turf for much longer. Rural Fine Gael TDs are feeling the heat from their constituents. Sinn Féin Dáil Éireann are burning the coalition’s support base.
Turf cutting is still a part of rural Irish culture. I’ve been surprised by the youth of today who have put in a good days work. It has often been the grandmothers request that they help their uncles with the turf. A good grounding for any young fellow. The flask of tea and the sandwiches still being a tradition, well earned!
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5:56pm Great news – so this means that the Church will be finally properly charged for all their hate crimes against vulnerable orphans & mothers & all the various forms of physical & mental torture they have inflicted on humans worldwide. Bishop Pat will finally receive the wider support that he deserves in his mission.
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Bishop Stika faces yet another lawsuit.
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/new-lawsuit-accuses-stika-of-new?s=w
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Pat a priest in Tyrone said that when getting his new house built, he was told to “plan out whatever he wanted” and it would be approved. Does this sound accurate? It’s a one priest parish.
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Yes.
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What priest…name names
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As a priest of Waterford and Lismore I can attest that we priests here have no respect for Phonsie. He is rigid, arrogant and a bully. He treated Father Richard Geoghegan abysmally and we know he would do the same to any of us.
A stroke or heart attack would solve a lot of problems 😞
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A sad reflection of the reality.
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6.51 Hopeless Days. It rhymes….
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6.51: “Sagart”: I think this is a fake sagart!! This kind of comnent has literally been written so often about bishops, except this time Bishop Cullunane is the target. Why, if you now feel so strongly about the way Fr.Richard was treated, did you and your colleagues not protest loudly together? You didn’t – cowards – and it’s too late now. If you are still concerned you and your colleagues should confront your bishop about what you discern as a gross injustice. Let’s see your moral courage, “sagart”. There’s strength in numbers. I still think you are a makey up “sagart”…jump g on a bandwagon of “down with the bishop”. Your wish for a fatal illness to befall him is despicable and reprehensible.
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7.40pm: Well spiken. These after-thought faux indignations are hypocritical. Let the colleagues of Richard find their courage. But they won’t do so..
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Actually – I can well believe he is a real priest for the very reason you point out; his moral cowardice in failing to defend a perceived injustice and his wishing a stroke or a heart attack on a man, however despicable he may be, rather than grow a pair of balls and speak directly to Phonsie point to the fact that he may well be a priest.
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In relation to a nearby ordinary, now retired, the expression in vogue was a car accident.
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Bishop Pat, in case you or anyone is interested in the contents of Clonliffe College seminary, here’s the link to the auction: https://auctions.victormeeauctions.ie/catalogue/ef8d834df75f102e4c6005cf926ec6e2/ebe19057c7bab55225de5aa63c3d7b7d/antique-furniture-decorative-interiors-and-ecclesiastical-s/
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7.06 The “ abstract mirrors” are an interesting item…. I wonder where they were hung.😂
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They shouldn’t be auctioning sacred objects – vestments, monstrance etc as they could be purchased by satanists.
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They should have got the Belturet auction house to do all the office furniture, with a fine art auctioneer to do the better stuff. It looks like they just want rid of it all and don’t care how much or how little it makes.
Sacred objects, if they cannot be used in churches, should be destroyed rather than put to profane use in pubs, as a lot of this stuff will be. Ledwith converted Maynooth altar candlesticks into lamps for his rooms, which I thought a tasteless thing to do.
I cannot see much of a market for all that heavy brown, unfashionable furniture. You can’t give it away.
The lots tell their own tale. Plenty of old, uncared for statues and crucifixes, probably stored for decades, and endless chairs, desks and filing cabinets, needed as the church bureaucracy filled what once had been seminarians bedrooms.
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There’s a lovely sanctuary lamp that would look great in the Oratory. Imagine some of Clonliffe’s stuff being owned by Pat. The archdiocese would be raging but they are putting it up fir the highest bidder.
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I’ve bid on a few items.
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I wonder what happened to the college’s books. Thrown into skips, probably.
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What a load of old junk and tat. The sanctuary lamp is only silver plated, not worth half the asking price.
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It’s a disgrace what a mess left by DM never mind the couldn’t give a shite & DF,..He’s talking of retiring … b4 he ordains anyone, it’s all about Building Hope, no one cares … sell the lot,
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Bishop Balls in Lisbreen would do well to explain a lot of financial irregularities in a church in Belfast as well. Wouldn’t you just love to go to your timeshare in Florida and visit Disney several times a year or jet off to the Costas whenever the spirit moved you. Sadly I can’t afford it but then again I work hard for a living. How does this priest afford it?
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Bp Pat, should readers be prepared for a two or three-day blog on this sad case?
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Today was a firing shot. We will be returning to this case for some time to come.
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What did this country do to deserve Charlie Brown’s baleful legacy?
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By buying into the showmanship of the fake antibolshevist.
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Pat is the man you are referring to in today’s blog the same priest that nearly everyone in the diocese know was involved in a money racket, or is there a second priest or priests that many of us dont know about.
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Who was the one involved in a money racket?
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Can you confirm Pat if your case study in Armagh this year is a firing shot and that you will be returning to this most grievous matter?
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Does the Irish army still have the FCA? – Free Clothes Association as it was known – perhaps some of these freebie loving priests & bishops could be joined up, dressed properly & straightened out a bit if that is still possible. They used to get a free summer holiday as well. Suit some of these clerical lads we reading about down to the ground.
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8.37 Which one would you really like , ? The transfer of land in the Parish of the Moy for the purpose of building the church ( if 31 years is not to long to remember with precision) was done through an independent party….for at that time the protestant ‘ascendancy’ in that neck of the woods would never have sold it to a Roman Catholic. Lol
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Correction to 10.38, having checked insofar as I can be sure it was not the land for the church but for Benburb priory…. One or either at any rate ….,
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