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SILVERSTREM ET AL

Dear Bishop Lang,

The present arises from a matter within the Diocese of Meath that has repeatedly featured on my blog for the past eighteen months or so. However, I now write to make enquiries about two priests that were previously ministering within the Diocese of Clifton that constituted the so-called β€œGlastonbury Monks”.

Both Fr. Rowe and Fr. Redman were ordained by you, Bishop Lang at Clifton Cathedral. This is a matter of public record. Therefore, Fr. Rowe and Fr. Redman are priests of the Diocese of Clifton, and they are subject to your jurisdiction, so it is appropriate to bring the following to your immediate attention.

In what follows for the avoidance of any and all doubt, I am NOT making any allegation of sexual misconduct about either of the two priests. I wish to make that unequivocally clear. They could be accused of naΓ―vetΓ© and stupidity however, those are not delicts.

I am led to believe these two priests have been present in Ireland β€œdiscerning their future” for a conspicuous period of time. Is this true? This is a legitimate question, because Fr. Rowe was explicitly seen at the Cathedral in Mullingar, this morning.

BISHOP LANG

It has been suggested that these two priests have been have been in contact and perhaps have stayed/are staying at Silverstream Priory β€” a diocesan right monastic community mired in scandal that is subject to the jurisdiction of the Ordinary of the Diocese of Meath, Bishop Thomas Deenihan. Is this true?

In the past, I have written to the safeguarding officer of the Diocese of Meath about my concerns about Silverstream Priory because scouts were staying at Silverstream Priory for camps and attending the Eucharistic liturgy. I have subsequently discovered that scouts were unsupervised within the monastic enclosure.

Therefore, the presence of these two priests, if they are staying at Silverstream Priory is now a safeguarding issue. And, as a consequence of same I now write to you as the Ordinary of the Diocese of Clifton the following questions.

Are Fr. Rowe and Fr. Redman visiting the island of Ireland with your explicit written permission?

Do they have your written permission to celebrate the sacraments in any Irish Diocese? In other words β€” are they in possession of a celebret from Diocese of Clifton, indicating they are priests of your diocese, and they are in good standing with their Ordinary?

In light of Fr. Rowe being seen at the Cathedral in Mullingar, we know definitively, therefore, that he [Fr. Rowe] is in the Diocese of Meath. If the two priests are present in the Diocese of Meath β€œdiscerning their future”, are they lawfully present at Silverstream Priory with the explicit written permission of the Ordinary of Silverstream Priory, Bishop Thomas Deenihan?

If they have spent time at Silverstream Priory: has Bishop Deenihan given them permission to celebrate the sacraments within the Priory and more generally across the Diocese of Meath?

Did you communicate with your brother bishop, Thomas Deenihan, about the presence of these two priests in the Diocese of Meath? If so, did Bishop Deenihan give his consent for the two priests to be present: a) at Silverstream Priory; and, b) within the canonical territory of the Diocese of Meath?

These two priests, I am led to believe, were members of the Community of Our Lady of Glastonbury, which was canonically erected by you presumably by a Decree. However, the website of the community states since the β€œpromulgation of Traditionis Custodes and its implementation in the Diocese of Cliftion [sic], the Priory of Our Lady of Glastonbury is discerning its future”.

If these two priests of the Diocese of Clifton are looking for an authentic monastic life where the Liturgy of the Hours is celebrated in Latin with the Eucharist in the Extraordinary Form they would be better discerning their future in France rather than on the island of Ireland. And, they should avoid Silverstream Priory at all costs, because it is toxic and fatally compromised my sexual and financial scandal. The fact that the current Prior of Silverstream Priory has an acknowledged problem with viewing gay pornography is a demonstrable example of same. This sad fact was publicly and repeatedly recounted by Dom Mark Kirby to several individuals visiting the Priory.

May I respectfully suggest the following French monasteries as alternatives to Fr. Rowe and Fr. Redman? The following listed communities offer an authentic expression of what these monks may be looking for: Abbaye de Notre-Dame de Fontgombault, Abbey Notre-Dame de Randol, and, Abbaye Notre-Dame de Triors. If there were looking for something very right-wing almost fascist, Abbaye Sainte-Madeleine du Barroux would be perfect. Alternatively, if they require something English-speaking, then, Clear Creek Abbey in the United States would also be a suitable alternative.

I would be grateful for a prompt reply to my e-mail with clear and unequivocal answers to the questions posed, herein.

+Pat Buckley

Cc:

Bishop Thomas Deenihan, Ordinary, Diocese of Meath.
Ms. Loraine Byrne, Safeguarding Co-ordinator, Diocese of Meath.
Ms. Becky Cawsey, Safeguarding Co-ordinator, Diocese of Clifton.
Br. Elijah Carroll, the β€œprior” of Silverstream Priory.

107 replies on “SILVERSTREM ET AL”

I totally agree. Too much interference in other people’s business. Bishop Lang does not report to PB anymore than PB reports to Bishop Lang. This is obsessive spite and does not do this blog any favours. Expose abuse by all means

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Two comments agreeing that this is terrible. One for Rowe and one for Redman. 😱

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Ahem. Bishop Buckely has exposed serious wrongdoing at Hi Ho Silver and its cash stream. Hence the former prior, Dom Kitty, was forced into exile. If two English priests have rocked up there to shore up its facade, he asks legitimate questions.

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7:14 Prevention is better than cure, Father. No point in locking the stable door after the horse has escaped. RCC have been afforded far too much unearned & undeserved leniency by being allowed to run their own safeguarding. Demonstrably & repeatedly proven they Cannot be trusted.

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Bishop Pat’s articles are fishing trips. They start with questions, and then he gets swamped with emails providing further and more concerning particulars. I am sure more will come to light about this undesirable situation.

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What a stupid comment. A more likely reason nobody wants to be a priest in the diocese is… the priests of the diocese, judging by the way they’ve been bitching on here about these two.
As you’re all always telling Bishop Buckley to do, look at yourselves!

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Nah, it Dermot Lang’s uninspiring leadership. He has managed decline for too long. Time to go and let someone with drive and personality take over. He’s a sick man who won’t let go, in a dog in the manger way to keep someone else out.

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The old VD was sentimental. In fact nearly half the then vaunted seminarians have been / about to be ordained. But is it not right that more young or middle aged gents should be wary of hitching their wagon to the Vatican (which is different to Jesus)? We’ve watched the low calibre of seminaries’ and VDs’ actual publicity materials. Also, why didn’t you read past material on this very blog about constructive expulsion / fleeing for safety from seminary (which got closed down), following the influx of substandard types from – ahem, abroad.
Somerset managed without masses for hundreds of years on the trot. “Drive and personality” obviously means 10.14 yourself, have you got connections ahem – abroad? Pushiness in religion is repulsive. It’s kindly of Bp Pat to be concerned for the welfare of Rev Rowe and I hope one of the houses of good repute will let him in for a further discernment period: EVERYONE needs warning off Silverstream and Farnborough. Partly there is the erratic flip flops from Rome wrong footing us all, partly Rowe’s setup wasn’t viable.

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10:14 I don’t envy him, trying to lead bitchy queens like you who have nothing useful to do or say.

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They’d fit in like ducks to water in that sleaze filled hothouse. Redman was John Selwyn Gummers SPAD, tried his vocation alongside Rowe with the Benedictines and then with Rowe accepted by Clifton, sent to the VEC where the least said the better. It was, however, a surprise that Redman was a signatory to the letter to The Telegraph on the penal effects of same-sex marriage. One can only speculate that he may have been smoking what the Italians called a β€œSpinello” when he signed, and it clouded his judgment? Rowe is the brighter of the two but likes his drink hence his arrest and conviction for drunk driving. The account of the incident in his Skoda is amusing to read were it not for the absolute devastation he could have caused. He then went as chaplain to a right-wing school in France. He’s had an unconventional priesthood.

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They won’t be bothered, they always do what they want to do. If they can’t get their own way then they leave which is what happened at Glastonbury.
It’s all about what THEY want.

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Before he starts to be mocked I just want to say Bede Rowe is a gentleman he’s not a saint but doesn’t pretend to be

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I still have an old book entitled” courtesy for clerics” it didn’t stop them from acting diabolically when they thought they could get away with it.

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9:58 Courtesy as in β€˜befriend the parents before you abuse the children’?

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Niall Ahern, the amateur psychiatrist who was Middle Dean in Maynooth in the 80s, was adamant that priests have good table manners. He used to say that seminarians’ lives should be characterised by a “presbyteral ambience”.

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9:58am. That’s the common denominator with clerics and their Cathbot Toxic cohorts , they will say & do anything they they calculate that they can get away with. Independent external policing of religious is essential.

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That him, but I read he crashed into railings, lost a wheel and continued driving his Skoda with sparks flying everywhere. All caught on CCTV. He must have been sloshed.

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RIP Canon Pat McHugh of Clogher diocese, who may be known to some of your readers from his time as a formator in Valladolid and Wonersh.

It always puzzled me why an Irish country priest was forming English priests. Ireland is ground zero for abuse so shouldn’t be forming priests anywhere, and the social and church contexts are very different in Ireland versus England. I think his only qualification was that he was an uber-liberal and for a while he was in the mercifully short-lived Western Theological Institute, where ACP priests taught a handful of angry women.

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From an English perspective the church in England has tended to be dominated by the Irish. That’s one of the reasons it’s still seen as foreign.

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It was the lower quality priests who were sent to England and other English-speaking countries. In the days of plenty, Irish dioceses accepted only a small number for home service and these, the best students, went to Maynooth, Clonliffe and Rome and stayed in Ireland after ordination. The surplus candidates went to All Hallows and the regional seminaries, for service overseas.

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10.15, a trend continued, from a different direction, by the use of Polish chaplains and separate Polish Masses in parishes. Strangely, having a Mass in Latin is considered divisive but having one in Polish in an English is OK.

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10.45
Snobbery on your part based on incomplete information and facile analysis. The places in Maynooth were until 1970s reserved for each diocese on a pro rata basis, and in the case of 23 of the 26 dioceses which had them, for graduates of diocesan secondary colleges. Many graduates of other second-level schools and colleges such as those operated by religious were outstanding priests and left their local second-level seminary peers in the shade.
What a superficial and inaccurate screed!

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10.45
Your first ssntence is breath-takingly ignorant. Priests who ministered in England and Anglophone locations were not sent there. They chose to do that.
Would you care to elaborate on your expression lower quality priest? Anyone employing such a term has revealed their own lack of quality.

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@12.24 pm. That is what I said. The best students from the diocesan colleges got the few places available in Maynooth. The rest went to the regional seminaries, All Hallows or the orders. Maynooth was for home service. Ergo, the best students, who got the available Maynooth places, served at home, whereas the others served in Ireland or among the Irish diaspora.

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8.51
Ireland versus England?
Whether those who taught you basic English were ultra liberal or ultra traditional, they were ultra incompetent and ultra unsuccessful.

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11.50
You are missing the point. Because the Maynooth places were reserved for diocesan colleges’ graduates, those who gained a Maynooth place were as often as not, eclipsed by graduates from schools other than diocesan colleges, such as scools run by religious brothers and priests.
To refer to a whole swathe of clergy in the terms you chose indicates a warped set of values.

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They are not residing in the diocese of Meath nor do they have any relationship with Silverstream different from any other priest visitor to the monastery. They are residing at another location in Ireland and this isn’t even a secret Pat! They have been here for six months, I am surprised you do not know this.

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9.02: Pat, this commenter states a reality very different to what you have written. How can we know the truth about the named monks? Are they in Silverstream or not?

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They’re too old for Silverstream. Both are… well, let’s just say, old maids.

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Martin, they most certainly ARE NOT in Silvertream. I am not the fathers’s keeper so I cannot say they have not visited Silverstream but I can say for certain they are at another location in Ireland and this is not a secret nor is it even an open secret. As I said they have been in this location for some six months or so. Since there is no cloud over the named priests I do not consider it my place to reveal where they are because it’s none of our beeswax. They are entitled to their privacy.

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9.02 do “priest visitors” casually act as priests or do they take their collars off? Are the ones you mention, priests of Rome? Is someone misleading Rowe which would be cruel?

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@11.16 am
They can’t have been there for 6 months or so because they didn’t leave their post in Glastonbury until coming towards the end of December last year.

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Due to the Motu Proprio Traditions Custodes, these two queens left the Diocese with the Bishop’s permission to look to the future. However, they are still asking for donations on their website and no doubt still sucking on the teet of Clifton Diocese.
HOME | Glastonbury Monastery | Somerset

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My friend and I are out dining in Toome today. On past experience the clergy don’t tend to dine out much in this neck of the woods apart from the Elk or the Thatch bar. My late wife regarded it as a boring place solely because of the lack of clergy stuffing themselves on the weekly collection. I hear that a few get into the Tullyglass in Ballymena so that is for next week. Mondays was once a favourite day for the clergy in a Co. Tyrone spot but sadly because of Covid not many eating joints open now until Weds/Thurs.

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Probably nicer than his late wife was, even though this is clearly a wind up merchant.

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9.52
You didn’t reveal the gender of your fine dining companion. Is he/she taking their life in their hand. Will you be sending them to the till to catch the bill, and to the window to get the car regs? Keep it coming.
P.S. Is your wife dead or metely unpunctual?

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I thought they were discerning a vocation with the SSPX, which may seem worse than joining Silverstream.
I just hope they can reconcile with Lang.

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10.35 To liamjwilliams123, may I admire your encouragement to the branching out that is warranted here. Clearly at home with yourself…..honourable and admirable.

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I can’t see the SSPX taking them on as they have too much β€œbaggage”. I am sure they’d split them up, which may not be a bad thing.

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I don’t thing Lang is interested in reconciling, except on his terms. It was he who brought about their constructive dismissal.

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An employment law tribunal would not view this as constructive dismissal. There was no right to say the EF.

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I don’t see how that’d be worse. Absent the nonsense proffered by the self hating gay men (Milo Hanrahan is the worst, attending parties where boys were abused and won’t say who, see the relevant Joe Rogan postcast, altho that podcast was deleted, it can be found) and an unwell woman of a certain Opus Dei funded operation, aka Church Militant, the SSPX are very careful. If they are (de facto) vagus diocesan priests, the Society might be reluctant, even discouraging. Diocesan priests and others hitherto ordained who look to join them are sent to houses of study for discernment and relevant formation.
+Declan Lang destroyed what had been a very vibrant traditional Mass community which was not just those pair. His ban almost immediately followed TC, a case of following the letter of the law in banning it, but not the spirit as TC urged bishops to make provision where there were faithful attached to it. However some bishops prefer to have churches close or be a place for a few coughing old people than allow the old Mass, or do anything except wait for the end. It might be noted the lack or otherwise of the old Mass is often not the issue. Too many bishops seem to be literal drones, in the sense of tedious dullards, not the craft flying about in Ukraine, terrifying the Z Army. The genuinely good turn down appointments. Perhaps wings and propellers could be attached to some of the bishops, as another sort of ‘flying bishop,’ for entertainment value.

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Given the total disregard for safeguarding that is consistently exhibited by the RCC, one wonders why neither the UK Police nor the Irish Gardai do not have a unit dedicated to monitoring all these deviant clergy that are being moved about and placed in direct contact with minors etc. shocking that those youngsters were potentially endangered as highlighted today on this blog. What else goes on that public dont know about like Ennis school Chaplin exposing himself on public beach during Covid. Why are the clergy & their cohort seemingly above and beyond the law? Internal RCC Safeguarding only operates to work in favour of themselves – The Vatican can well afford to pay for the police to operate independent safeguarding units. The current system run by RCC is a complete & unrepentant & corrupt failure.

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12.08
The Apostolic Nuncio is Nuncio to all dioceses of Ireland. The Church of Ireland too is an all-island institution.

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The nuncio’s relationship is to the State, as an accredited diplomat. The diplomatic relationship is between the Holy See and the Dublin Government. The Holy See has separate diplomatic relations with the UK, which includes Northern Ireland.

Any role a nuncio has regarding dioceses is separate from the diplomatic relationship with the host State.

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10.46
When a diocese on the island of Ireland becomes vacant it is the Nuncio to Ireland, (Note: not the Nuncio to the Republic of ireland, as therd is none such) who oversees the vacancy until the diocese is filled.

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Hasn’t Bishop Lang got Parkinson’s?
He strikes one as a Bishop whose hot on social justice and his own agenda hobby horses (Climate change and Palestine) but not so hot or interested in God who I’m pretty sure he doesn’t believe in.
Will he respond to Bishop Pats Letter?
His two VGs are loyal henchmen who do his bidding – one of them, not sure which one is big into real estate and money.
Isn’t Prinknash in Clifton? A gay Benedictine house if ever there was one.
In the 70s the Youth Workers used to hand out porn on over night retreats – pretty sure that was part of grooming. Poor parents would have thought little Jimmy or Helen were in safe hands learning about God and their faith!! Ah bless!!!
Loads of secrets in Clifton but good at keeping them under wraps.
Didn’t a Clifton priest from the Beda sexually assault two Otakian women on a train in Rome and resisted arrest – he was fined five grand and put under house arrest.

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1.04
A slur on the faith of a Christian from the commenter who referred to the fact that the vast majority of cases of the sexual abuse of children are perpetrated by family members, as a canard (an unfounded rumour.) if he/she has religious faith it doesn’t show.

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i – youth workers and “communities” everywhere were like that till the late 1980s, in fact I’m told it has come back in in schools
ii – was he from Clifton first and Beda after, or Beda first and Clifton after?

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Pat, my family and I had a doscussion the other night and come to a simple question: why are some priests criticising β€˜unGodly’ lifestyles, while others say it is fine because β€˜we are made in the image and likeness of God’. Why is there such a schism?

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Announced Now
Archbishop Jude Okolo has being transferred to Prague.
He will be glad to go it was always said he was going after Easter.

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Thanks Jim S! What are his travel details. Was it you who β€˜always’ said he was going after Easter? Now after the announcement, that you know, you must have had all the inside knowledge but just didn’t reveal it.

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+Pat, the letter yesterday to Porn Again Elijah was πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯
I hope we will see more letters to, and information about, this zany character in blogs to come.
Silverstream is the gift that keeps on giving πŸŽπŸ’

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Pat is 100% right to expose these charlatans and hold them to account. The more he exposes, the more sheep will hopefully waken up and realise that they are grazing on infertlie land. What’s it all about anyway? Surely it is about following the teachings of Jesus Christ. If any organisation is preaching this and not following the teachings themselves but living by double standards then they most certainly need to be exposed. It is by the bravery of Pat and others that this is happening so keep up the good work Pat. Shine your light on this darkness

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The nuncio is ready for Prague after all he has listened to in Eire….πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚and eventually what will β€œ emanate” in Nigeria…. It’s global though needs cultural appraisal!!

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Pat, I have no idea of the interpretation that many may put on this. May I through your Blog congratulate someone I held in the highest regard when he was a student ; Michael now of Galway and Clonfert. People get more like themselves; a decent fellow, extremely helpful and kind then. Congratulations Michael; many years to you. Maybe in the Parousia, it all works out! ( I have no way of making sure this gets through except in the truth of Pat Buckley)

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Happy May Day!
The happy birds Te Deum sing,
‘Tis Mary’s month of May;
Her smile turns winter into spring,
And darkness into day;
And there’s a fragrance in the air,
The bells their music make,
And O the world is bright and fair,
And all for Mary’s sake.

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Portsmouth Diocese 2019- 35,000 attending Mass. Currently the figure is estimated at 15,000- 17,000. Quite a decline!
65 of 85 parishes in debt. One in debt by Β£6million.
Unbelievable

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Deliberate Financial Mismanagement orchestrated to block overdue redress payments to victims & survivors of RCC related wrong doing.says:

8:41pm What will happen about monies outstanding to victims of RCC related wrongdoing in Portsmouth Diocese? If they haven’t settled with all outstanding cases, is this another form of abuse & retraumatising of victims & survivors by deliberately spending & exhausting funds that should have been used to effect closure for the victims & survivors. More RCC crockery.

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Portsmouth you say. And what did the Cormac tendency know about that? Southwark-Arundel-Portsmouth were very much of a piece.

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There is a donations button the Glastonbury monks website which states CLIFTON DIOCESE. A Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales under number 10462076. A registered charity number 1170168. Registered Office: St Ambrose North Road Leigh Woods Bristol BS8 3PW so is the money going to the diocese?

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Mass attendance in Clifton diocese has plunged from the already low figure of 28,016 to 9,336.

Bishop Lang (whose palace costs Β£140k a year to run) seems unconcerned and thinks the priority is to constructively dismiss the Glastonbury monks.

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I imagine they’re both too old to be considered for Silverstream. Presumably, Dom Elijah maintains Dom Kirby’s age limit on queens entering the priory.

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πŸ™πŸŽ‚ 🍷 🎈 Happy Birthday Bishop Pat πŸŽˆπŸ·πŸŽ‚πŸ™says:

Best Wishes Bishop Pat for a Very Happy & Enjoyable Birthday Weekend with your Family & Friends.

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There are no comments from parishioners who experienced Bede and Rowe’s ministry, which was damaging to the extreme. it was schismatic, msogynistic and dismissive of collaborative ministry. People left in their droves.

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