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CARDINAL PELL ON CHURCH AND SOCIETY AND CATHOLICISM IN GERMANY.

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This is a good and easy to listen to interview by George Pell.

Having listened to the boys in Ballanrat being interviewed – not the cathedral boys – I was inclined to believe those boys.

Now that a superior court has found him not guilty  it is only right that we regard him as innocent.

If he was completely innocent he suffered a horrific injustice.

And we know that there are forces in the RCC quite capable of setting him up.

He makes a good point about Catholicism not getting much of a look in the world today.

But that’s hardly a surprising result of all the massive scandals in the RCC.

People have every right to mistrust bishops and priests.

Bishops and priests have lost nearly all their credibility everywhere.

GERMANY

The so called Synodal Way in Germany could easily lead to a schism in the German church.

Really there are two churches everywhere in tge world these days – the pre Vatican II church and the post Vatican II church.

I’m definitely in the post Vatican II one.

Maybe a schism is the only way to resolve these two opposing churches?

Didn’t The Reformation start in Germany?

MESSAGES FROM GER TO CAROLE WHEN THE YVONNE THING BROKE.

243 replies on “CARDINAL PELL ON CHURCH AND SOCIETY AND CATHOLICISM IN GERMANY.”

+George Pell is a good, humane and upright man who was set for his efforts to clean up Vatican finances. At least Becciu, who appears to have funded the frame up with large transfers of funds to Australia is now utterly discredited by his trial, regardless of the final verdict. Yet it boggles belief that Becciu is the beginning and end of Vatican corruption. A genuinely reforming Pope will wind up the Institute of Works or Vatican Bank, which has always been corrupt. Francis is no reformer, just a representative of one bunch of cronies getting one up on another bunch. The German branch is wealthy in money thanks to the Church Tax, but rather short of believers. They don’t provide a ‘how to’ rather a ‘how not to.’

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Do we not have to take into account that the superior court quashed Pell’s convictions?

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12.15
Your post is a non-sequitur. You should proof-read before you post. No court can quash truth; nor can it make true what is false.
Miscarriages of justice can occur either way: the innocent convicted; the guilty freed.

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There can never be perfect proof with these dodgy people and money, but it is known that Becciu sent over two million dollars by wire transfer to Australia during the trial. That arrogant fool says it’s a secret. Again at least whatever reputation he had is flushed down the toilet by the ongoing trial.

People who still think Pell is guilty have a belief in evidence shown to be not credible, including that calumnator ‘Anthony.’ He’s probably just a troll, and not someone making a serious assertion. Pell was cleared of all charges by the highest court in Australia. Insinuations just won’t do.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/249924/cardinal-pell-becciu-payment-australia

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/becciu-money-transfers-to-australia?s=r

The Germans are arrogant because they have money. They are severely lacking in actual active believers. Their Modernism (this synthesis of all errors) is substantially pragmatic. If nominal Catholics get annoyed, it would mean a box on the German tax form isn’t ticked and less Church Tax flows their way. Anyhow Teutonic arrogance is not something that has ever worked out well. Working how to proceed is no easy matter, but the German Church is not a successful model, rich in money and employees, but poor in active believers.

The Augustinian Friar Luther had some princes and some degree of popular support (although that from the revolting peasants was unwanted) on his side. The idea of some sort of compromise had a long life. Even James I, who loathed his Calvinist tutors, had the hope a reformed Papacy might have been a thing. The Germans just have money and employees which could be vulnerable to legislative change in Germany. I don’t see any schism.

And the schism is not between old Mass traditionalists and those who might take after the Germans. Traditionalists are a tiny element (particularly outside France, US and Mexico), and the Germans are they way they are because of Church Tax. A greater number would more concerned about changing Teaching to suit the zeitgeist. Any reasonable person can see that’s the path to oblivion, in the manner of American Episcopalians.

The Ger saga is fascinating, thanks for the updates +Pat.

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5.39
So, you cannot, after all, provide even one piece of evidence to substantiate your claim that Pell was set up. What a shocker! Instead, you’ve made a convenient assumption that the money transfer to Australia that you mentioned was done in order to…Well, in order to do what, exactly? This is where your imagination ran out of steam, because you didn’t, couldn’t, suggest any possible use for this money. Your imaginings, or lack of them, do not constitute evidence that Pell was set up, however eager you might be to make links between this money and Pell’s trial.
No, I am not a troll, nor am I a liar. Is this your last refuge when you run out of counter-argument? To resort to ad hominems instead of intelligent thought?
How on earth was the evidence against Pell shown not to be credible? This is perhaps your most ludicrous comment: the evidence was UNANIMOUSLY accepted by a jury, for heaven’s sake! Hardly because it lacked credibility.
Pell most emphatically was NOT ‘cleared of all charges by the highest court in Australia’. This is total nonsense, because the evidence against him was not reappraised by the High Court: it was only the decisions of the two majority judges at the Court of Appeal. You clearly haven’t a clue what went on in the High Court, nor in any of the lower courts.
Pell’s convictions were overturned on a legal technicality, not on the grounds that the evidence against him was not credible.
See the post at 4.40 p.m. for a link to an article on the matter by two Australian academic lawyers. Read it, and educate yourself.

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Now look at the show trial in the Vatican, whole swathes of people being accused of everything just because they were trying to do what SEEMED to be their jobs in a far less dishonest fashion than they might and than their persecutors are (like the counter counter purges of Beria / Robespierre, and the last thing the Church needs now is a Napoleon). My gut feeling is Becciu is a far lesser villain if he is one at all: don’t forget it is the SoS that decided he had crossed them. The SoS and all Nuncios have conflicts of interest. The Germans are only showing that they have been trained up well. Paprocki et al are non-credible for pretending to not see all this.

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12.50
Predictable anti-Francis rhetoric from someone a Tridentine Mass devotee. We’ll see whether Francis isn’t a reformer. After all it’s restoration you want, and nor reform.

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No, it is not right that we regard Pell as innocent. What an utterly stupid thing to say!
You are fickle: one day believing Pell’s accusers; the next believing a human court of so-called ‘justice’. Where will you be when your head has stopped turning?!
I believe that Pell is a paedophile. And I believe that he sexually assualted young boys over decades. I would not allow a child, especially male, anywhere near Pell.
Shame on you, Buckley, for your inconsistency, and moral cowardice!

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11.04
I ‘MUST’ accept the Supreme Court’s ruling on Pell’s conviction? 🤔 No. On the contrary, if I believe that ruling unsafe (which I do), then morally, I MUST oppose it.
Take your imperious arrogance elsewhere.

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You are well out of order there, both about cardinal Pell and pat Buckley. You should hang your head insane and apologise. Serious defamation of character. I don’t always agree with on but he did not deserve that.
No Pax
Garngad Lad

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1.00am: Utter shame and disgrace on you, sir. The courts have exonerated Cardinal Pell of wrongdoing as levelled against him. You MUST accept the findings and judgments of the courts of the land. Many non religious people – journalists in Australia – were outraged at the trumped up charges against the Cardinal and the stirred up lynch mob of anti catholic rhetoric. TRUE JUSTICE for Cardinal Pell won. TRUTH survived the evil against Cardinal Pell. God bless him.

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The Scottish criminal justice system currently allows a verdict of “not proven” in addition to guilty and not guilty. It could be argued that a “not proven” availability might be useful in cases like Pell’s.
There are however some unsatisfactory elements to a not proven verdict which is why the Scottish government’s current window for consultation on its retention has just closed in March2022
MMM

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– In Ireland or Australia there are the two churches you mention but in England there are several more. Insisting that we all become communicants has made the whole RCC materialist. There was tactful cover for politicians when we nearly all sat out nearly all the time. It would have been easier for that prelate to “not notice” that Bp Pat was in the communion queue. There isn’t transubstantiation, so whatever “reason” non-communicants mustn’t communicate isn’t a real one. Since the contraception reverse in the 1920s, the RCC had become intrusive in couples’ private lives.
– The international hierarchy and their enclave are out of step and hide behind “Council” (alleging it would endorse reforms) and now “being synodal” or “new movements” (which intrude into privacy). “Communion” = idolatry. Montini (whose minions Pius and John were), Wojtyla, Ratzinger, Jorge, got fed up with having billions of semi detached but respectful public in orbit and wanted us to become their personal fanatics. So called “adoration of Christ” is really adoration of Secretariat of State.
– Bp Pat’s favouring Council is very different from Rome pretending to favour it. The Brandenburgs (who were Knights) as Mainz ABs monetised purgatory (which is real, but belief in it will never return). The pope was drastically premature in excommunicating Luther: that time was the time for endless talking shops. The “chair of Peter” is surrounded by four black twisted huge snakes. At all costs it’s vital we not be the tools of the enclave any more. For safety, disperse!

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Alvin, it wasn’t meant as a joke.
Learn the lesson, love: write to make yourself understood, and less to impress.

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Who are the 2 lawyers on the record as representing Fr Ger Fitzgerald c/o Killaloe Diocese? Are these solicitors based in Limerick or Ennis? Is that why Fitzgerald still in the area? Why would a priest block anyone from watching a public Mass? If Fr Fitzgerald’s team of 2 solicitors informed him that he was “innocent” why did he state he saying mass “for the moment” & if he is “innocent”, why isn’t he still working in Cloughleigh parish? 2 women, 2 solicitors, 2 houses – what a double life of excess that the RCC clergy lead. Zero credibility.

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@ 6:23 There were a lot more than 2 women involved with Ger since he went to Maynooth…only two of the women Fitzgerald was involved with had the guts to come forward. The evidence that Ger had relationships—some involving sex, some only emotional: Ger’s conversation with Pat about his sex life, Yvonne’s testimony about her sexual & emotional relationship with Ger, and Carole’s testimony about her emotional relationship with Ger. Let us not forget about the anonymous/infamous letter re. Fitzgerald, Carey et al (written by fed up parishioners) that circulated in Ennis after Yvonne went public on the blog…

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If Cardinal Pell was set up, fitted up, stitched up etc – why? What was he unearthing and why doesn’t he blow the lid?
He was found not guilty at appeal which basically argued that a judge found inconsistencies in the Victims statement whereas a jury didn’t or a technicality which pushed the verdict into unsafe territory.
Historical abuse v difficult to prosecute easier to defend.
I concede Pell is not guilty but I’m not sure that verdict makes him innocent.
Eventually through the process victims of child abuse or rape find their testimony eroded and destroyed – cunning sexual predators know this which is why they roll the dice when they offend and go to court.
As for schism – it’s like the Third World War – we’re already there – just like we’re already at schism.
Benedict and Francis did a great job at polarising the church – as the Times reported they can’t stand each other and a household divided like this cannot stand.

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I think the origins of it go well back beyond them to the build up around the definitely of papal infallibility and gained traction with the modernist crisis. The church’s problem with dealing with this is it’s not possible to have an amicable split. The (formerly) United Methodist church in the US actually agreed to divide and it’s been completely amicable.

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9.03

Bang on the button with your post!

Yes, they would love to forget, but we must ensure they never do.

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https://injured-senior-podcast.simplecast.com/episodes/father-doyle-uncovering-sexual-abuse-in-the-catholic-church-NhHk3mAS
Father Doyle: Uncovering Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church
“One of the things that truly scandalized me and made me furious with the institutional Catholic Church is they’ve systemically not only ignored the victims over the years, but they have demonized and in some instances publicly blamed them. So adding insult to injury, they’ve ignored them.” — Father Tom Doyle

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Could someone please explain how to add a link to a comment on this blog. I’d appreciate it.
Thanks

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9:09am. Diocese seem to have to keep paying clergy until they are formally defrocked so they may also be entitled to access to church funds for legal representation? Canon lawyer no use to Clergy in civil or criminal court.

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12:27am True for you, Fr Fitzgerald wouldn’t know the truth if it jumped up & bit him on the nose! No wonder he fitted in so well for nearly 10 whole years in Killaloe!

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Despite his acquittal, I imagine Pell is shunned or avoided in certain quarters. I doubt Amy or Elsie would relish the thought of a visit from him.

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Having watched Pell participate (sic!) in a group discussion on religion and evolution several years ago, I’d not be interested in watching/hearing him again. He left not only Christopher Hitchens and other panel members aghast at his failure to show any understanding of evolution, but the audience also incredulous at his presumptious ignorance.
But then that’s typical of cossetted clerical hierarchs.
MMM

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Agreed.

I am commenting today on other posts, but I will not be reading the blog. I refuse to read anything by Pell.

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9:04am Also agreed. In Killaloe they have had Fitzgerald ministering unsupervised to parishioners for about a decade having ordained him although blatantly unsuitable for ministry & as a “reward” for misleading the media for them on the goings on inside Maynooth.
School Chaplin & general man about town Carey spent nearly 40 years unchecked & doing as he pleased in Killaloe despite frequent reservations until he became so arrogant that he truly believed that he was invincible & there was no get out clause but to arrest him when an unconnected member of the public spotted him & reported him in Galway outside of his womb area in Killaloe.
Now both these clergy arrogantly believe they should be reinstated as do their deviant cohort of colleagues.
Sums it up – believe nothing from these spoilt and over privileged clericals & their cohort.

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You are so repetitive, MMM. Have you forgotten that you’ve writren about that Pell/chicken egg man encounter many, many times? Too many, in fact.

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9.14: MMM: You expressed this very same comment many times, verbatim. Once you hear the name Cardinal Pell, you go into crap mode – repeat, repeat, repeat. You must be a very boring atheist.

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@ 11:04 & 11:08: good to note your attention to my comments. It’s a shame to have to repeat unchangeable truths for ad hominem focused slow learners. 11:06, no mention of Sharon this time? 🙂
More able readers can make up their own mind about Pell’s abilities after watching the YouTube clip of him in debate with Richard Dawkins. It’s very revealing. 🙊
MMM

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11.53
You are absolutely right about Pell’s debating ability and his lack of knowledge, MMM. Pell made a laughing stock of himself on that occasion.
I watched that televised debate. Why on earth Pell considered himself up to debating a man of Prof. Dawkins’ intellectuality escapes me; without trying to, Dawkins showed Pell up for the blundering, blustering ignoramus he is.
The RCC is increasingly these days making itself look a bastion of medieval superstition and quackery, and its priests latterday theological alchemists.

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Sad that MMM think a post about children suffering through social worker neglect is a laughing matter and worthy of a smiley when he mentions Sharon Shoesmith.

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Dear Anon @ 12.50. Without even reading the article referred to by 11:06 (probably you too), one sees the criticism is directed at social work staff TURNOVER. This is a constant finding in most enquiries, in addition to the contributing factors of excessive workloads, lack of care resources, poor support infrastructures and low staff morale.
And it’s little wonder considering the demands, emotional and practical, poor salary structures, and the simplistic public perception of child care social work leading to its thankless task.
It seems that many critics prefer to cast slings and arrows rather than try to understand the underlying problems, and press for improvements.
MMM

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1:40pm
No cover ups, criminal negligence, incompetence or ineptitude from social workers?
Not to worry! The State legal machine will mind dumb ass social work practitioners.

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More excuses from MMM. It is never the fault of the social workers, according to him.

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10.28: What’s your point???? 11.53: MMM – you miss my point. You descend into atheistic frenzy at the mention of a Catholic Church person. You’ve spoken your truth. We know it. I respect it but I don’t need it stuffed down my throat. The new orthodoxy is exemplified by your every word.

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@ 1:00; 2:07; 2:38 & Steer Clear: I agree with the comment @ 1:33. Howling indeed! 🤣
💦🦆 WOADB!
MMM

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@4:49. Do you even understand Peter Riddle’s letter? It certainly doesn’t appear so!

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It is not surprising a culture of incompetence, etc, exists in social work considering any Tom Dick or Harriet could become a social worker without any qualifications, back in the day.

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On Sunday, in its leader column, the Observer said:
“There were 206 serious safeguarding incidents that involved child deaths in England in 2020. Fifty-six of these deaths occurred as a result of filicide, physical abuse or cruelty or involved maltreatment. Child abuse and neglect are not one-off incidents, but patterns of behaviour that produce tell-tale signs that a child is at serious risk. More of these deaths should be preventable through a well-functioning child protection system.”

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@5:17: I certainly agree that child protection systems are not well functioning. It seems that politicians opt for scapegoating individual failures and failing to understand the issues, as opposed to providing the resource implications of so many inquiries. Regrettably the press colludes with simplistic reporting of very complex issues, and the more simple minded public concur seeking scapegoats and easy answers.
MMM

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7:20 pm
WOADB!! Like hell!
Your comments are peppered with passive aggressiveness, minimizing and blame gaming.
Slow learners, simplistic reporting, simple minded, individual failures…
Social work qualification in the late 1970s and early/mid 1980s was a one year CQSW course from a polytechnic.

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@8:39: from my recollection, albeit of 50 years ago, in the 1970’s the minimum requirement for qualification was not one, but the TWO year CQSW polytechnic qualification, and entry to those courses required both relevant experience plus evidence of academic ability.
I recall that in my mid 1970’s first supervisory child protection team leader post I supervised eight social workers, two SW assistants, and two occupational therapists, of which only two SWs had any relevant qualification.
It’s relevant to say however that any current criticism of lack of “qualification” relating to those byegone days does not reflect current practice.
At any event surely any current criticism of lack of qualifications is less a personal criticism of present workers, but the public service provision which employs them, …. and public unwillingness to properly fund them towards proper training and support to provide better protection, …….as well as the resourcesto do so?
MMM

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11:06 pm
In 2014 the UK Government published an independent report by former Barnardo’s chief executive Sir Martin Narey. Michael Grove commenting on Nareys report said ‘ it reveals a training system which in too many universities is not fit for purpose. He concludes that entry demands are not high enough, the system of endorsement of courses is insufficiently rigorous, and the content of those courses too generic. The result is a failure to protect the most vulnerable children in our society.’ It is frightening to consider the quality of training for social work practitioners in the mid 70s. It is not surprising we have had a plethora of inquiries into social workers negligence,incompetence and covering up.

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Is it true that St Peters pence was used to buy expensive houses for investments instead of building homes for the homeless which the faithful gave their hard earned money for ?
Is it true that the Vatican bank kept over a billion euros off the books for a rainy day?

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Thank you for your reply.
The Vatican carry on seems to me is getting less like Jesus each day.
The mind boggles.

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9:23am Parishes full of church owned empty houses & properties whilst RCC continues to appeal for funds under various guises. Then eventually parishioners wake up one morning & see that some lay church crony group or individual has bought it under the table. Zero transparency same as everything else they “involved” in.

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11.07: When you list truthfully with data all properties and parishes where “under the table” sale deals occured, we might believe you. I’ve never in over 40 years witnessed your scenario. You are lying of course.. Aren’t you? Proof. Please.

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12:55 You want proof of under the table deals? What’s wrong with this picture! 🤣

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I’m rather surprised that you’re doing the same thing the cathbots do all the time, that is trying to confuse criminal conviction with credible accusations of abuse.
Legally he is innocent.
BUT
Whether or not that is the case I’m not hearing whether safeguarding has also investigated the allegations, and whether they have not been found credible.
With a lower level of probability than the law it may be he should be on a safety plan.

Does anyone know whether this has actually happened? If not it shows RC safeguarding for what we all know it is.

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After Pell’s conviction was overturned in the Supreme Court (apparently, on a technicality), Pope Francis likened his accuser to Jesus’ accusers. It was an appalling remark. One might have thought the old fool had learned a lesson after his likening the Chilean-abuse survivors as ‘leftists’; Francis made a global fool of himself over that intemperate gaffe.

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Not a technicality but an irrefutable demonstration that the allegations could not be true.

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3.27
You just made that up.
According to Ben Matthews (Professor, School of Law, Queensland University of Technology) and Mark Thomas (Senior Lecturer, Queensland University of Technology), Pell won ‘on a legal technicality’. The authors write:
‘This High Court appeal did not ask whether Pell comitted the offences. It asked whether the two majority judges in the Victorian Court of Appeal, in dismissing Pell’s earlier appeal, made an error about the nature of the correct legal principles, or their application.’ (theconversation.com/how-george-pell-won-in-the-high-court-on-a-legal-technicality-133156)
Nothing here about ‘an irrefutable demonstration that the allegations could not be true’.

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Anonymous at 4:50. I did not ‘just make that up’. Have you read the 204-page dissenting judgment of Mark Weinberg in the appeal, which is what led to the High Court conclusion? It provided a solid basis for the final acquittal. There was a big shift in public opinion in favor of Pell, except among those who could not face the ‘appalling vista’ that they might have been misled by unscrupulous prejudice-mongers, much as happened in the case of the B’ham 6.

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8.16
Yes, you did make up your claim at 3.27, since the High Court did not examine, in any way, shape or form, the allegations against Pell; it examined only the rulings of the two majority judges in the Court of Appeal and whether these had been determined in accordance with correct legal principles, or their application.
Pell’s convictions were, therefore, overturned not on the basis of insubstantial evidence against him, but, strictly, on a legal technicality.
I said all of this earlier, and clearly. I am disappointed that I am having to repeat such an accurate, and easily understood, comment.

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The Germans are only caricaturing the strong features of RCC anyway: bueaucratic dictatorship and devious parallel channels have taken from the agency of bishops (except the odd point like sacking priests) and from the belief of parishioners. The world’s morale regarding sex and thievery hasn’t been helped by the double-standard megaphoning. Perhaps the letter is one of those oblique ploys where the real targets of the critique are the Secretariat Of State itself. Or perhaps Davies, Arinze, Pell et al are just “demonstrating” their attachment. Roma electrocuta = causa frittata.

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10:31am what about their female Cathbot conquests – can’t just be telling tales about the boys – equal opportunities & all that!

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Breaking
The Holy Father has appointed Archbishop Jude Thaddeus Okolo, titular of Novica and apostolic nuncio in Ireland, as apostolic nuncio in the Czech Republic. The office of nuncio in Ireland will be filled in due course.

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11.11
Hardly breaking news in was on this blog 18 hours ago.
You must have missed it.
It is strange how after Ireland the Nuncio’s transfer to very small Catholic population places like 9.2% and Charlie Browns was not much better.
Given the shortage of papal Nuncios now would be the time to have One papal Nuncio for Uk and Ireland.

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11:11am It has been mentioned on this blog and elsewhere that Okolo had been eager to leave Ireland for quite some time. Interesting that his transfer to Czech Republic has been sanctioned & finalised prior to appointing a replacement in Ireland?? Same pattern of modus operandi with RCC. Promotions and/or transfers frequently granted soon after cleric has been involved in dealing with unsavoury scandals in current post.

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Patrick Coffin is a pal of Gary Michael Voris, so Pope Michael hasn’t excommunicated his ‘Benevacantism.’ Benedict said he would no longer be Pope, that a new election will be needed. That means Francis succeeded Benedict. Retaining some of the prerequisites of the office like the white cassock, name and oft times blessing new Cardinals, even Francis summoning back abruptly when his brother died and he spent a little time in Bavaria, does make it a bit strange though. A Pope Emeritus is a bit like a Schrödinger’s Pope, and shouldn’t be.

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https://www.patrickcoffin.media/seven-pieces-of-evidence-that-francis-is-an-antipope/
Seven Pieces of Evidence That Francis Is an Antipope
Patrick Coffin.
” In this video, I summarize the one hypothesis that makes sense of the last eight years of chaos and evil in the Catholic Church: that Jorge Mario Bergoglio is an antipope and that the February 11, 2013 abdication by Pope Benedict XVI was not objectively valid.
Conspiracy theory, white-hot take, or accurate description of reality? Watch this, follow up with the documentation reading links below, and decide for yourself.”

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I’m wondering where the annual MIA dinner is being held this year. Can anybody help me? I’m new to the club.

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11:39am Calm down Dear! If you are a “genuine” MIA, the Freemasons will be in contact with you. They know where you are as you still on their payroll records.

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Cardinal Pell still has a lot to answer for and he will meet his maker soon enough. The one time I had the displeasure of meeting him he did come across rather pompous, and had not any time for any man.

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I truly believe that my parishioners are set out to bring me down, I do nothing but the best by them and they infuriate me.

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11:53. Contact your Bishop to arrange free private therapy – do not be “tempted” to “go it alone” in dealing with your infuriating parishioners. I’m no therapist but just wondering what you did to annoy them, Father?!

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You cearly infuriate them, ever hear the expression if more than one says it, must be true, maybe you need to reflect on why …
It’s not jelousey love 😘

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Father, I think some of the Newer Bishops have it correct Ten years in a Parish at the most.
it becomes too many priests fiefdom and this has to stop as it is the People’s parish not teh priest and his clique.
Request a transfer as most Bishops are working on the Synod and transfers now.

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Buckley may have infiltrated the page and you blocked him my dear but the diocese banned you from it and deleted any memory of you on it.

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3:11pm Good Question – Fr Ger was never camera shy & there were all those minor celebrities he invited to speak after Mass on Sundays. A right notice box he was, definitely saw himself as going global before he ate all the chips on Yvonne who was rightfully aggrieved. Himself & Carey are not safe to be let loose again on public anywhere – forget desk jobs – they both abused the trust of their employers & of the faithful & parents & pupils. They & their supporters have caused irreparable damage & made things worse in an already difficult diocese.

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12:22 he needs to take his banana & his bad attitude to women & feck off back to Castleconnell & stay there or go stay in Malaga with Carey. His name is mud in Ennis too!

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Fascinating how commenters think the decision of a court means you either did or did not do the crime rather than what it actually means, that the jurisdictions standards have been applied to the available evidence.
Did I mention that the church hasn’t learned the lessons of the abuse crisis? Specifically that a conviction for abuse is notoriously difficult to achieve which means loads of child abusers are walking around who will never be convicted?

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“Innocent until proven guilty” is the golden thread running through British justice and the justice systems derived from it, such as Australia’s.

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12.33
Great comment.
Yes, it amazes me, too, how much god-like power people attribute to courts, and their rulings.

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Innocent until proven guilty - that's how it works, for the benefit of the slow coachessays:

If an accused person is brought to a criminal court, he enters it as an innocent person under the law. It is up to the prosection to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that he is guilty. If they fail to do so, the person leaves court, head held high, in the same innocent state in which they entered the court. That’s how it works.

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3.02
‘Innocent UNDER THE LAW’, does not mean ‘ACTUALLY innocent’; it signifies a presumption, not a fact.
Think about it: if a court somehow had the psychic ability to look into an accused’s past to discover whether they actually had comitted a crime, there would be no need for any other part of the legal system.
A presumption of innocence is a legal device to prevent a jury’s being biased against a defendant.

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When I was on a jury the defendant was found not guilty. The judge very quickly said to the defendent “You are free to go. There is no stain on your character”. Was the judge right or wrong to say that?

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5.14
The judge, hopefully, was alluding here to a legal ruling, not to an existential one. If he thought otherwise, then he shouldn’t be on the bench, but be under psychiatric evaluation.
Unless this judge was physically present when the alleged crime was committted, then, logically and honestly, he cannot declare that no crime was committed; he can declare only that the evidence to convict was insufficient.
When a guilty defendant is acquitted in court, this, too, constitutes a miscarraige of justice.
We shall never know the full extent of such acquittals.

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5:14 Yes, from the perspective of the law. The cleared will still be a sinner.
There is no legal remedy for stupidity.

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I wonder is he still playing the innocent card. Silly boy ….
Innocent , he will never be back I made sure of that 12 months ago , there was never a doubt for reasons that can’t be discussed , very disappointing to see he wasn’t being honest with people about it, people were mislead so it seems.

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12.23
Yes both Ger and Jerry playing the innocent card and it Jerry’s case he thinks he is now fit for a Parish and Bishop Fintan is wrong so it will come down to Canon Law but place your bet Bishop Fintan will win.
Ger thinks it is only immoral what he did but we are all sinners and people should move on and again be appointed to a new parish but again bishop Fintan has said NO so maybe Ger will get a third lawyer.
It is 100% wrong what Ger has done and will be removed from ministry at some point however it is a wake up call to ALL not just Clergy but ALL to watch your “Friends” as with a friend like Carole and Yvonne who would want an enemy who saves and stores text messages.

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Jerry is a convicted sex offender, his day is done, desk job at best for him. Ger is no worse than Ciaran Dallat who was successfully rehabilitated. Ger had an inappropriate relationship with Yvonne, he realised his mistake and cut off all contact causing great hurt to Yvonne.

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To be fair given my personal experience , Ger denied the whole affair and Fintan believed him and didn’t question until I went down and provided six months of proof, in this case if I didn’t have proof, he’s word was taken over mine not just with the diocese but he’s friends and supporters , until I proved otherwise and there was loads that I didn’t provide.he would still be saying mass otherwise … Sad times…

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He’s been having sex since 2012 and discussed a few girlfriends with me, hardly having a sudden conscience issue…

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1:34pm Sadly, that is true & the reality of the valid reasons why public have witnessed this repeatedly & responded accordingly by leaving RCC in their thousands – this blog confirms this every day when you read the standard clerical responses:
“I never saw this happen”
“You are a liar”
Visible Attempts to use +Pats blog to predict whether cases are going for or against favour of RCC.
Safeguarding my arse, keep away from them & stay safe & when they won’t leave you alone???? Answers on a postcard please.

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The National Board for Safeguarding Children in The Catholic Church in Ireland will host its National Safeguarding Conference on the 11th and 12th of May 2022 in the Hillgrove Hotel, Monaghan. The theme of the conference is the ‘Theology of Safeguarding’. They seek to
contribute to the development of a theology of safeguarding as primarily coming from a theological imperative, which is an essential part of living the gospel. Yet, gospel imperatives can be ignored willy-nilly. Of course, the optics of developing a safeguarding theology looks favourable on the Institutional Church. Meanwhile, the Institutional Catholic Church continues to ignore victims/survivors, re-traumatizes, gaslights, and as Fr. Tom Doyle says, ‘ they have demonized and, in some instances, publicly blamed them.’ When is the Church going to develop a human, respectful, considerate, and decent response to victim/survivors?
Below is a link to the conference agenda/speakers;
https://www.safeguarding.ie/images/Pdfs/National_Conference_2022/National%20Conference%20programme%202022.pdf

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3:52,
‘When is the Church going to develop a human, respectful, considerate, and decent response to victim/survivors?’
Never. I have commented before that the only times human life, safety or dignity are of any importance to the church is if you are a cleric (perhaps only in the charmed inner circle) or unborn.

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Ask fr james o reilly in antrim to help as he gave an emotional talk about the unborn and i believe he would be horrified at hearing how the sexually abused adults as children were treated by the church. He got a standing ovation by his congregation.

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In all the messages you have posted re Ger and Carole I have seen evidence of a friendship that’s all, have I missed something?

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Emotional connections and much time spent together- plus Gers promise of a future together

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I think they shared similar interests and hobbies and spent a lot of time together touring various areas of local interest. Carole developed an emotional attachment to Ger which was not reciprocated. There is not one romantic text or photo.

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@ 3:40 GF told me he loved me to my face, he also told his (former) best friend that he loved me. Make of it whatever you want…those are the facts.

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Todd Andrews wrote about the lengths to which the Church would go to maintain its dominance of a peasant population steeped in superstition & an urban proletariat soused in St Joseph’s medals, St Blaise flannel & a dozen different varieties of scapulars. Explains a lot to date.

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Lol, I’ve just read the Clogher report on the Synodal Pathway (ie Boomer talking shop) in the diocese. It says:

“In terms of male v female, there was a reasonable representation of both.”[This is a lie]

“However, with some exceptions, there was a noticeable absence of younger participants in most of the meetings.” [This is the truth]

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What is truly amazing is Fitzgerald’s attitude prevalent in all his texts. He genuinely believes he has done no wrong and is acting like a bould child. You couldnt make it up. Ger – you deliberately chased then banged a parishoner. You abused your position for poonani. Then you just blanked the lady – of course she’s a victim! When normal people do this its bad form, its way worse when done by a priest. It is predatory behaviour.
Ger you’d want to grow up big time, then apologize to the ladies for your wrongdoing.

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An apology at this stage from him would be no good considering everything that has happened in the last year, I was kind enough in a meeting with Fintan last year to say I didn’t want anyone to lose their job and apologize.

I’m coming for the apology alright, a public one from Fintan and he will never preach again, anywhere. He will know what hell looks like by the time I’m done with him.

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You knew he was a priest when you got involved with him Yvonne, its like dating a married man, they always say they are going to leave their wives but they never do.

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Poor Fintan, he’s never been interested in poonani. More like twig and berries, I expect for him.

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Ger is only human and made a mistake. He was attracted to Yvonne, who wouldn’t be, she is a beautiful young woman. He had an in appropriate relationship with her. He realised it was wrong, cut all contact causing great hurt to Yvonne.

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4:44pm we are all human and we all make mistakes. However, Fr Ger Fitzgerald used his position to gain trust of vulnerable parishioners & then had the outright arrogance to mock & question Yvonne’s vulnerability in texts to his next conquest, Carole. Egotistical, narcissistic & completely oblivious to the vow of celibacy he took as part of the current terms & conditions of his appointment as a RCC clergyman & zero acknowledgment of the great responsibility of trust he held in Ennis parish. He & Carey have done their colleagues a great disservice. If he fancied dressing up in a skirt & collar & having a shag whenever he felt like it, the RCC was by far, not his only option at the outset. He appears to be a deviant in the way he treats women, don’t think he’d survive long as a husband/long term partner either in the real world. His blatant disrespect for both Yvonne & Carole shows a pattern & convinces me of same. Maybe Carey will let him have free lodgings in Malaga whilst they both contemplate their navels with their cronies in due course.

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Facts are wrong , I have six months of messages and info from himself regarding other girlfriends he has had since 2012. Hardly he’s consci once coming into play suddenly.

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If Maynooth was any good it would have declined to put Ger forward for ordination. They know he was having sex with lay students but let him sail on, regardless.

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Jerry Carey is a convicted sex offender who choked the chicken on a public beach in front of families with small children, Ger Fitzgerald had an inappropriate relationship with a consenting female who knew he was a priest, you cannot compare the two.

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I didn’t realize he had a few women on the go until towards the end, that’s a whole other matter really isn’t it ….

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10:36pm. All these RCC clergy & their supporters are bullies addicted to any form of abuse that they can perpetuate, got away with it years ago with one example being harrassing unmarried mothers into their slave laundries & used their State connections to obtain international travel documents when selling babies to rich unvetted Yanks without knowledge or permission of birth mothers. These days we have the Fr Ger Chips Fitzgerald & Fr Jerry Beach Bum Carey & their cohort being the 21st Century version & Sheep expected to pay for their jollies for them!

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Actually Clare I was 32 when we were together and the other girl he ghosted that was upset was a vulnerable 30 yrs old and he was 40.
A priest sleeping with a female is like a teacher sleeping with a student. You don’t do it. Regardless.

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Ironic Clare , are you not still bitter years later over your ex from a false presumption that he cheated on you and still spend all your time looking for revenge, your not exactly a spring chicken yourself. are you suggesting there is an age limit when women are not allowed to be upset when men treat them badly or feel they have been mistreated. Or are you an exception to the rule ?
Except it’s true in this case, yours is a figment of your imagination.

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Not really much of a change, William. Although the words change slightly, it was just another example of the post-Vatican II buzzwords about renewal, vibrancy, faith-filled journeying together. How many times have we heard that? The mostly elderly congregation he addressed haven’t done those things in the past 50 years so why are they going to start now. They haven’t even passed on the faith to their children. My Tablet-reading mother-in-law recently expressed that none of her 9 grandchildren have been confirmed, and half are not even baptised. I was too polite to ask why that might be.

It is rather sad when he says that we see crumbling before our eyes everything the Church built up over the last 200 years. It is not clear whether he thinks that crumbling is a good or bad thing, nor does he suggest who are chiefly responsible for that, even though theose responsible were sitting in the sanctuary with him as he spoke.

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5.49pm Yes. Are you? Do you have children/grandchildren and if you do have them, are they Massgoers?

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6;26 No surprise there then. No, I’m not Catholic and have no children. Not that it’s any of your beeswax.

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Le Bon Pasteur ; Felicitations on reaching the sacred 7 . Fine vintage living and libations to you.

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@7.45 pm
Mmm you used the word ‘beeswax’ a couple of days ago in relation to the ‘Glastonbury monks’.

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Pell might be not guilty but is he innocent?
Can you be a Cardinal and be innocent – an oxymoron I would have thought.
CMOC was arrested under caution but the police did not proceed as (so they said) not enough evidence – and that’s the story the world over with historical child abuse or sexual assault – beyond reasonable doubt is harder with each passing year and the passage of time.
Pell – not guilty in an appeal court – who knows in an even higher court.

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4.49
Your username states a simple truth straightforwardly.
Pell’s convictions were overturned on a legal technicality, NOT on a reappraisal of the evidence against him, and on which a jury had unanimously convicted him, beyond all reasonable doubt. (See my post at 4.50 p.m.)
Is Pell, then, innocent of the terrible, cowardly crimes he allegedly committed? That is a very different matter altogether from a high court ruling in his favour, ON A LEGAL TECHNICALITY.
I believe Pell’s accuser.

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6.40
Whatever decision(s) he has made in this matter he was entitled to make. Nothing at all strange about the situation.
It clearly took this young man a long time to decide to come forward with his allegations against Pell, which is common among those sexually abused as children. I suppose one reason the young man did not go public was to avoid being abused again, by people like you.

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Hard to believe an unseen accuser whose mouthpiece is Vivian Waller and who was used by Louise Milligan in her book. The evidence WAS sifted in thorough detail by Mark Weinberg and found wanting, hence the acquittal.

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8.31
Nonsense from start to finish.
Weinberg’s protracted summation was not the premise for the High Court’s ruling; it prompted it. The premise was the decisions by the two majority judges in the Victorian Court of Appeal. The High Court ruled that these had not been determined on correct legal principles, or their application. In other words, it was a legal technicality that allowed Pell’s convictions to be overturned, not the quality of evidence against him. You haven’t a clue either what went on in the High Court.

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9.29
You read that in one of Damian Thompson’s tweets, didn’t you? I did, too.
I value Thompson’s opinions very highly.

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I suppose I must have but I don’t read @holysmoke very often. She a cross between Voris and Nugent.

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If you are aware of what he was accused of doing in a busy Cathedral sacristy on a Sunday morning, then your suppositions acknowledge that the crucified in Roman times got what they deserved. I’d stick to Cluedo with your outlook…..Murphy O Connor entirely different story… and for that reason sent to this island for a heinous cover up job. I can tell you something for nothing; John Gates went to see Murphy O Connor ( if you remember/ or know, priests were invited by the Visitors ( Armagh Diocese had the honour 😂) to come and see them) to do Brady in “ anonymously .” It was not anonymous… I certainly know about more of them who went in… “ Brady’s friends “
( as he thought). That’s what the Vatican did everywhere…. Sent in prelates they already knew were compromised to cover up for those who might come to be compromised…. Institutional and ubiquitous…… Pell is innocent of what was connected to his unjust incarceration…. guilty as hell of following Ratzingers universal Catholic orders to cover up… and it goes back centuries. George Pell is a good man, as I have blogged before( I do not share his politics, his world view or his ecclesiology…. But he is big in mind to be open… he said to me after eleven weeks in Australia “ I thought I was getting a right winger, you turn out to be a left winger.” I replied, “ if we are going to speak in categories, there are only two; open minded people and closed minded, I know what I am.” He was quite struck.. and I think a little heartened!!!!! I have another few quick witted exchanges…. but a good man he is. The Roman Sanhedrin did him in…. I’d say he knows it now…

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William, I’m afraid I frequently think you’re a terrible judge of character! I think You’ve spent too long in the warped environment of the church and its impacted your judgement.

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8.13 I know more than you. Pull in your out of place horns. If you find my comment arrogant….there is sometimes a place( or personage as you ) for it. Lol

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There was another case where a very similar story (altar boys interrupted guzzllng wine in sacristy, etc.) sent three people to jail and was later found to be a lie. And Mark Weinberg referred to the notorious Carl Beech case: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/22/operation-midland-four-top-public-figures-falsely-accused-by-nick As we see from this blog, people are extremely gullible when faced with cleverly mounted sex allegations, and will cling to them dogmatically no matter how thoroughly they are quashed. Dirt is easy to throw and something always sticks. Who would invite one of the Birmingham Six to dinner?

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The difference between the Catholic Church in Germany and almost all other countries is that all German thinkers, no matter the disciplines, are all really well grounded in philosophy which is taught from an early age. The best of philosophers and theologians come from this culture… George Pell and company in scholarship couldn’t do their boot laces. No offence to Pell… a simple reality. Ratzinger would have become one of the best RC scholars in history if he had not been set upon by the students in 1968( in a lecture hall I think). He retreated in fear to the conservation of the past!

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7.49 If you pay any research to Irish Journalists and Journalism….even in Australia or the USA…same pertains ……the best of them were educated in RC schools. One can go two ways…..follow like the sheep …..or think !! RC education has an element that has not received much scholarship…..it gives many extremely well honed critical faculties. One such person in Ireland mentioned on this Blog not too long ago is Eamonn Conway….he was really going somewhere intellectually….educated in Tubingen as well…..he was a progressive…..but he’s done a loop back to the Right…..might have been his brush with the abyss or perhaps he saw his classmate ascend and decided : jesus if he gets there….Ill have a bit of that. Eamonn Conway and the Limerick educators ( RC) were with Bergoglio last week !!!!!

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8.20 Daniel O Connell….as fine a human being as I’ve ever met….and dripping in integrity. Ontologically changed, he found life’s most integrated way….and I am hope blissfully happy. I hope he got to address Bergoglio last week…..for if he did….I know who the most integrated shepherd was…….

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Very good analysis of Ratzinger, Bill. He never recovered from the events of 1968. Quite a brilliant mind.

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8.20 Yes, thank you….his ” Introduction to Christianity …..” is still a wonderful book. That event had a terrible effect on a clearly very sensitive person….and the trauma took a terrible effect…..His redaction of reading lists in seminaries in the 80’s a minor consequence of an even wider defensiveness which caused many a good man and woman a lot of suffering and pain. A Brilliant mind that Wojtyla used in a sinister way in the world.

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8.13 Hes not that young….and has children of his own! Time will fix it all. You can’t keep what he did a secret for too long.

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Don’t say that, the cathbots will be pissed because they aren’t supposed to sell relics. That’s why they put them in fancy holders, so they can sell them instead.

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I was wondering where Ger thought he’d get the money to buy a book signed by Jane Austen and that it would just be a casual gift.

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@ 6:36 GF didn’t realise at the time of writing the msg that Jane Austen letters coming up for sale on the market are extremely rare and exorbitantly priced. I’m sure that he meant well 🤣. He also said that if he ever got his “job” back that he would buy me a certain antiquarian book that I have my eye on for a long time and which is beyond my budget. God willing, I will get that book on my own.

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Since its Bishop Buckley s 70th. I presume the party was in Larne. Ratzinger’s 70th Birthday party in Rome ( shh…Lol) would leave anything Liberace ever organised in the halfpenny place ( nothing to do with Welsh Rugby…though Id say Ratzinger would have liked it so), one of the best chefs in Rome made it a great occasion. Rome hadn’t seen as good a party since Medici times !!!!!

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6.48 Took a look, thank you. Their Web site is designed by GeekPower ( printed at base of site).

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Pell raison d etre is to sell as many books, get park on d for speaking engagements and pay off his exorbitant probably the best in Australia lawyers.
Other jailed clerical abusers not as lucky and some might have even got off on a technicality cuz that’s how the law works.
Please spare us the sanctimonious clap trap about the law – the law isn’t sacred but children are – seriously the victim who took the stand was lying I don’t think so – the other victim committed suicide – go figure?
Pell not guilty but definitely not innocent.

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7.10: What a twisted geezer you are. Incontrovertible fact: Cardinal Pell is INNOCENT and found not guilty. How much more clarity do you require, fool?

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8.36
What you very clearly don’t understand about victims of sexual abuse, especially young males assualted by adult males, is that they feel deep shame at what happened to them, believing it compromises their masculinity, and so will not go public about it. Such is their shame, they’ll deny what happened to them, even to themselves.
Perhaps this is why that 13-year-old boy turned to the drugs that eventually killed him: to blot out the shame he so keenly felt and which, according to the other boy, George Pell put there.

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Your daily reminder that RCs do not have the first understanding of child sexual abuse and have learned nothing over the past several decades of being all over the media.

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8.43 You can ask that of any RCC bishop or any Prelate in any religion ( as far as I can see) but it is entirely different from the issues around the injustice and incarceration of George Pell by the Australian Courts in the grip of sinister forces. Thankfully, the highest Court unstitched the stitch-up.

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Anybody any news from Pomeroy, Co Tyrone? Usually love the Church drama in the mountains so they do.

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Considering three months ‘sabbatical’ in Canada for poor stressed Ger that he might receive exclusive, private, and highly expensive psycho-sexual counselling? Nice one! 😃 If you can get it. 😉 But the Sheep never would, even though it is their money that these clerical parasites are spending.
Why do stupid Catholics continue to finance the very men who would fleece them for a dime? Why collaborate with your clerical oppressors?
Because you really are that stupid?😕

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Id like to say Good Evening on a lighter note. I know George Pell has a hearty belly laugh….I hope I give him one: many years ago in very convivial company TD announced to the small group ” George got his doctorate from Oxford because he was a good rower.” Very pleasant reactions to TD’s multitudinous grimaces as he declared it !! Where the truth is….sure nobody knows! TD is the most decent of me…..Australian Church as well as the universal one would be richer if he had been chosen for the gifts he would have brought. Everywhere the poorer because men like him were kept out by that most smallest of minds: Super Slav who turned the universal church into a pitiful Polish Parish. Buena Notte !!

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Pat it was shared with me that a priest told someone to lift them because he felt horny. Seems in NI? Does this seem true to you?

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Pat, are you going to do a political piece ahead of the Stormont elections on Thursday, saying how you’ll cast your votes? I’m strictly voting pro-life so it will be TUV 1, Aontu 2, DUP 3, Independent 4 and nothing for Alliance, SDLP, SF and the Greens.

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Anon 9.21. Interesting comment.
For me in this area it’s Alliance @ No 1, ( As Brown is best placed to dislodge DUP); Sinn Fein @ 2, & 3 as otherwise fairly safely assured here in S. DOWN, then SDLP.
Wasn’t G. Donaldson appalling in tonight’s Leaders Debate on BBC1? Just as he has been every TV appearance to date. He just doesn’t “get it” that his scaremongering Protocol & Referendum fears are not ringing true with electorate. Yet he still parrots the same meaningless scaremongering mantra!
I’m much impressed with Alliance’s Naomi, and her local candidate here, Patrick Brown. Very able young man of vision.
I’m pleased to note the much more able lady Unionist S Down candidate in Diane Forsythe: clearly one of intelligence, qualifications and ability, and hopefully the voice of future Unionist expression of their position.
Also on the Unionist side, Doug Beattie impresses with his much more realistic stance on the issues. And in particular, his colleague Robert Swann absolutely merits every credit as was expressed by audience applause. .We live in interesting times.
MMM

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😇😁😇
Some moments are priceless, this is one of them. 🙃
Let Ennis have a good read of the truth for a change.

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