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Spanish bishops refuse to participate in State-run sex abuse inquiry

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Catholic bishops in Spain say they will not cooperate with parliamentary commission because its focus is only on sexual abuse in the Church and not in all sectors of society.

The Catholic bishops of Spain have refused to participate in the State-run, independent investigation into Church-related sexual abuse of minors.

“We want to emphasize that investigating abuse within the Church only, when it is clear that of the 15,000 cases opened in Spain, only 69 involve the Church, is a surprising decision,” said Bishop Luis Argüello, spokesman for the Spanish Episcopal Conference (CEE).

Bishop Argüello said the commission, which Spanish Parliament agree on in March, should carry out a broader investigation, instead.

He pointed to the one recently set up by Catalonia’s regional government, which is also investigate sex abuse committed in schools, sports centers and recreational organizations.

The Church refuses to be a “scapegoat”

Argüello, who is the auxiliary bishop of Valladolid, said society “as a whole” must become aware of “the magnitude of this problem” and avoid making Church into a “scapegoat”.

Nonetheless, he said that he and his fellow the bishops “will collaborate with the civil authorities” and open their diocesan archives, “taking into account civil and canonical legislation and the law on data protection”.

But the 69-year-old prelate said it’s his “personal” view that there is an “overestimation of what can be found in the archives”.

Spanish Parliament voted overwhelming in favor of setting up the independent commission, which was first proposed the ruling Socialist Party.

It came after the Madrid daily El Pais published an expose revealing that an estimated 1,246 children had been abused in the Spanish Church since the 1930s.

The revelations prompted the bishops, who have long been reticent on the issue, to commission their own independent audit at the end of February in order to shed light on Church-related abuse cases.

The Catholic Church in Spain has officially recognizes only 220 cases of pedocriminality over the past 20 years

PAT SAYS

“BASTARDOS” is the Spanish word for male bastards.

And the Spanish Roman Catholic bishops like their Irish cousins, are out and out bastards.

Their Mother Institution is truly an axis of evil.

They put their institution before abused children, women and men.

They cover up for their perverts, deviants, thieves, abusers and murderers and destroy and discard anyone good in the institution.

The mouth the name of Jesus Christ and blaspheme Him by their evil actions.

They have their pathetic Holy See statelet but they really exist in all the countries of the Earth.

They are as ABSOLUTELY incapable of policing themselves as we’re the Nazis and the Third Reich.

Therefore it is more important than ever that the CIVIL AUTHORITIES begin to ruthlessly hold them to account.

Some countries may have to build extra prisons to accommodate bishops and priests.

That would be an Alleluia moment for victims and survivors world wide.

I hope the Spanish lead the way with their pursuit of their bastardos.

And I hope that other nations, including Ireland follow their lead.

Ireland needs these “bastardai” dealt with.

Maybe some future meeting of the Irish Episcopal Conference will have to take place in Mountjoy Prison Dublin?

111 replies on “Spanish bishops refuse to participate in State-run sex abuse inquiry”

Perhaps if Their Eminences gave less impression of functioning like a criminal conspiracy, the civil authorities wouldn’t be so laser focused on them.

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Nothing will change whilst Irish Roman Catholic Church continues to maintain such tight control of schools & own the deeds to school property, this way they still maintain the iron grip over the day to day contacts in authority.

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11:28 our family have kids in schools here in Ireland – we “know” what we talking about. Why would church “deny” its close & current links with schools – why all the secrecy?

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We all know how this will backfire in their faces as the other thousands of people abused by priests now come out of the woodwork.
There is always an upsurge in allegations when an institution hits the news like this.
Did I mention the church has learned nothing from the events of the past few decades?

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12:20am. Thank you for sharing this link. Staying with Bishop Pats commentary on todays blog on the role of the civil authorities in investigating RCC related crime and wrong doing, it is very interesting to note on that first link that the Attorney General in Pennsylvania has a telephone hotline dedicated to victims of Clerical Abuse. Given that decades of abuse has remained unresolved in Ireland & elsewhere, why haven’t the governmental authorities or UN for Human Rights ordered the ultra wealthy Vatican to immediately release funds to set up this service in Ireland and elsewhere. The RCC is an entirely inhumane organisation proven in its persistent & blatant support & complicity in wrong doing at all levels.

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Totally agree. I suspect the answer to your question is that in addition to being a banana republic micro state it also pretends to be a religion and expects the protections of both. No other body in the world is both a state and a religion.
Frankly I think that’s in itself an indicator of criminality but no doubt Europe and the UN don’t want to appear to be ‘persecuting’ a ‘religion’.

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12:01

I wonder if reluctance in investigating RCC related crime might be due to collusion between the State and Church in cover ups?

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I agree with the thrust of your comment +Pat. But I then think, what else can we expect?
The whole history of the RCC ‘s response to investigation of possible clerical abuse has been obfuscation, diversion and denial. They just don’t “get it”.
Significantly, while some might explain and excuse this Spanish clergy’s reaction as the genuine ignorance of hierarchs with limited experience and ability, more astute critics will point out very many instances where the prime and overriding RCC consideration has been cover-up protectionism of a self serving RCC institution now acknowledged worldwide as totally corrupt, …….and certainly very far removed from the values it professes to espouse.
Irrespective of whether it’s genuine ignorance or selfish protectionism, such actions give the RCC organisation no credit, only further derision, ……..and empty pews.
MMM

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I think you’re being too kind, MMM. It’s conceivable some people wouldn’t understand safeguarding or abuse, but being well intentioned would still listen, engage and try to get it.
This, however, spells not giving a damn.

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@ 10:49: you make a valid point about an ethos of being ‘well intentioned.’ On the evidence, it appears the RCC has persistently NOT been well intentioned. A supercilious conviction of “always being right ” pervades all RCC clerical thinking, and guides all its behaviour.
MMM

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MMM, those who abused people are bastardos. Those who covered up the abuse are also bastardos.
The independence of the Catalan people should be respected. Catalonia’s regional government are right to take the approach that they are taking.
A state run inquiry focussing solely on the Church and not on the state. 🤔 Has the state something to hide?

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1:26pm the cover up merchants in my opinion are arguably even bigger bastardos because they ensure that the issue of clerical abuse will never be resolved – they do even more widespread damage on a much wider scale all in name of protecting the RCC. Toxic & they truly believe themselves to be “good people doing it all for the greater good”. Professional Paedophile Protectors.

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Sinn Fein Senator Paul Gavan is demanding an hourly bus service for Castleconnell – Fr Ger Fitzgerald next career move sorted for him thanks to his pals the Shinners. They were good to him in Ennis too by all accounts.

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Ger strikes me more of bread man or post man , doing he’s rounds in the morning to everyone’s houses….

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9:25 Fr Ger Fitzgerald seemed to fancy himself as the burly grocer here in Cloughleigh – he spent so much time in Tinas shop/workplace.

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@9:25 Ger strikes me as more of a milk man—skimming the cream off the top of his customer’s milk.

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8:54am Senator Gavan is a Limerick man. Jerry Carey’s snotty friends will find him some handy number well under the radar, he’s far too big in himself to even consider driving a bus. Can’t you see he doesn’t even feature on this blog much compared to Fitzgerald. It’s the quieter ones you seriously need to watch. Remember he managed nearly 40 years in Killaloe.

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@11.37 as opposed to driving to a public beach and wanking in front of families?

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12:20pm Fr Jerry Carey & his snotty cohort are apparently pressuring for his return to ministry in some fashion in the pending June Announcements?! Unreal arrogance but not surprising – vintage behaviour & attitude. Hoity Toity Leopards don’t change spots.

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No surprise that the 69 year old Archbishop is unhappy at the Spanish State sticking its nose into Church affairs. He is old enough to remember the 1953 Concordat which was in force well into the 1970s. Section 16 guaranteed all sorts of protection to criminal clergy. Section 19 guaranteed that the State pay for the support of the clergy and tons of other Church expenses. And Section 20 provided for tax exemptions galore. Delinquent school teachers, sports coaches, etc got no such special consideration.
https://www.concordatwatch.eu/topic-34561.834

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Yes, a concordat which meant a pope sliding into bed with a fascist dictator and mass murderer, Franco.
Why, then, are some people reluctant to think any differently the concordat between Pope Pius XI and Adolf Hitler in 1933?

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Shinners 1. Duppies 2. Alliance 3 another near decade of stagnation ahead. No surrender! NI protocol! No government!

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My experience of mass today in Corpus Christi was not pleasant. Clearly the drama over the election and Bishop Treanors presence yesterday had left a bad taste but the apology from the priest was much appreciated, even if it felt forced.

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Shit is really hitting the fan here, did you see the election result in west belfast? Two fingers up to Paddy Mc, and not a peace sign

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Sex means too much to too many priests. It’s great of course, but it shouldn’t be the main focus of life.

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11:11am if sex is so important to them why the hell do they choose the Roman Catholic Church = vow of celibacy??! Plenty other options without this rule if they wish to be a cleric. No logic.

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They choose it, because they know it is not of God. Seriously, why else would they become priests? For holiness?

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10:42 Because denominations which ordain gay clergy expect them to adhere to their own liberal standards of sexual behaviour, that is, not an orgy. If you’re not interested in that and want clerical adulation while shagging anything near you, a church which pretends its clergy are celibate is exactly what you want. That’s why it has a long history of attracting psychopaths, paedophiles and other deviants like flies to shit.
In other words it’s about the pretending not primarily about the sex. Surely nobody seriously thinks more than a tiny proportion of clergy are actually celibate life long?

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Pat I am off to Vienna, via Dublin, on 16th May. If you are on the same flight it would be wonderful to meet you and share a pint together.

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Vienna is a wonderful city, you will love it. Have you been before? When I was there I did think I would get arrested as I had to pee so bad, and did so – outside the Brazilian embassy, thankfully I never. Have a wonderful time next week though.

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I don’t have long in this world, I walk the cemeteries
While you have longer, you visit the canaries
But don’t look back, just look ahead
Without your presence, I may as well be dead

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Stay alive, you must learn to thrive,
And recognise that it’s great to be alive!
Don’t walk among the tombs, you will be there soon,
in the meantime shine, and don’t let your heart pine.

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I do not want a untied Ireland. I do want a border poll though so NI can vote to remain part of the UK and shut Sinn Fein up. After a border poll though, I do not think we should have another one for at least a generation (25 years). We can not turn into a referendum society like Switzerland. Elections and referendums I am against, we should not allow people, who have little or no intelligence or knowledge of an election party or referendum agenda, to vote on important issues. We should all have to sit a basic politics understanding exam to be allowed to vote.

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Politics here 101 years ago, was designed to always have a unionist majority, while they do still have that, their bitterness and bickering has damned them to a NATIONALIST majority – mwahahahaha

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The Brits didn’t think the statement would last. The spawn of Cromwell’s soldiers should go back from whence they came.

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Oh, we’ll be around for a lot longer than you’d prefer. We, the happy ‘spawn of Cromwell’, remain the British majority in Northern Ireland, and we ain’t going anywhere. 😃

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Ulster consists of 9 counties. The Ulster Unionist Council abandoned 3 counties to shore up a Unionist majority. Gerrymandering that was to persist for many decades. To right the wrongs of the gerrymandering past, the 9 counties of Ulster should get to vote on the ending of partition. If not, why not?

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Oliver, if one takes the longstanding history worldwide of subjugated peoples rejection of former colonial masters, it’s obvious that the march of time will replicate the pattern in N. Ireland. The cultural identity of “Britishness” has weakened in the younger Unionist demographic, and this will continue. Irish unification will slowly evolve, largely driven by material considerations. In that respect, the ROI has a lot of catching up to achieve.
MMM

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You keep a tight hold of that comfort blanket, MMM.

As someone posted the other day, they were saying similar stuff about NI way back in the mists of 1921.

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Oliver, thank you for your “comfort blanket ” advice @ 6:18.
Speaking of which, I already take comfort in an appreciation of what historical precedents worldwide informs us concerning the erosion of colonial hegemony, sometimes suddenly like the Dutch fleeing Java in advance of 1942 Japanese invasion, or more gradually like the British from Kenya, Rhodesia, etc, or the French from N. Africa.
When viewed over historical time, the displacement of the gerrymandered N. Ireland Protestant hegemony albeit gradually, is gathering pace largely through demographic population shifts plus a more secular and mobile society. An understanding of these concepts is very helpful and might help alleviate displacement anxieties. Harking back to 1921 @ 6:18, a relatively brief period in historical terms , appears to ignore the inevitable reality of change.
One might reasonably ask what the founding fathers of “Northern Ireland “, Craig, Carson, Brooke etc would have thought of Sinn Fein being the largest political party in their “Protestant Parliament and a Protestant State ” (James Craig, N. Ireland Prime Minister 1921- 1940 , speaking in Parliament on 24th April 1934) , or Basil Brooke, Viscount Brookeborough’s infamous remark at an Orange 12th July celebration in Fermanagh, “I wouldn’t have a Roman Catholic about my own place.”
“The Times They Are a-Changin” Bob Dylan 1964.
MMM

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No comeback yet to 6:19 Oliver?
But maybe the “scales have dropped from your eyes?”
At any event do read the Guardian online article today Monday, by Fintan O’Toole: ” United Ireland….getting closer…”

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I thought Paul Prior wore the slip type of pants I still wear myself?
Happy to exhibit them any time.
Honestly every time his pants are referred to it just gets more bizarre. 🥺

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William Mulvihill has an opinion on everything, maybe he should stop hiding behind the brick wall and tell us his opinions on this election.

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WM 12:31, Leo Varadkar is encouraged by the Alliance Party doing so well. He wants more people to vote in the middle, moving away from nationalist or the unionist. There’s a contradiction in that he will want people to support his civil war party.
Thousands of people walked from darkness into light this morning. How many of them are supportive of the right to life for the unborn baby in the womb? Hypocrites.

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I hear that things are going very well in the Archdiocese of Glasgow. It is good to hear of a bishop who is motivating his priests and the laity.

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12.19
Yes he is a very good hands on Archbishop and the garden is still green.
He has only made one decision in nine weeks that to reappoint Monsignor Hugh as Vicar General.
But wait till he starts making changes and that he must we are told after the Summer.
hopefully he will reopen Saint Andrew’s Cathedral as it must be the only cathedral in the World open one hour a day so sad.
The Archbishop’s inbox is still full with Parishes needing amalgamated or closed, C/c Clergy and the Latin Mass Brigade.
The Latin Mass Brigade Una Voce 17th September is have a full day at Carfin Grotto and wee Joe is saying nothing.

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Funny how this PP has the same breathless style of the Scottish comnenter with shares in the post office.

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@ 12:31pm
There’s nothing funny about it PP her arse, it’s oul Ardeer Nettie adding yet another title to her litany. Spewing her usual gibberish, as if she knew anything about the Archidiot wee Willie Nolan aka Wurzil Gummidge. Well spotted.

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The Spanish Catholic Bishops will resist any investigation into their dark deeds (homosexuality, child abuse and trafficking of orphans) with every fibre of their being.
Exposure is their greatest fear and concealing their dark art.
They are afraid of the light because they trade in the dark.
No surprises there – just the playbook.
Sinn Fein (we ourselves) will secure a united Ireland through referendum – the Irish want independence and deserve to be free from the English yoke.
Irish British imperialists are a dying breed and as John Hume (a historian) said many years ago it’s just a matter of time and demographics.
The people will speak through the agency of a referendum and Sinn Finn will bring this about.
Oh and Michelle is the hottest politician by a mile – and I’d vote for her in a heart beat. It’s not all about policy that much I know!!

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She certainly is !! It’s the economy stupid, the dup stands for stagnation, people want jobs with an income they can live on.

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So, you’d vote for the political wing and public face of the IRA (they haven’t gone away, you know.)? And you seriously believe such a party can deliver ‘Irish unity’?
Are you trolling, or just not too bright?

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12.23

Yes; and the demographics still show an unequivocal, national unionist majority. Sorry, but there it is.

As for Alliance, well, officially, it is neither unionist or nationalist. Nevertheless, its members, and its voters, are overwhelmingly unionist, albeit of a more liberal bent. So, in that referendum you mentioned, you would get trounced (your dream shattered) by the combined unionist vote. So much for British ‘imperialists’ here being … What was it you said? 😕 Oh, yes! 😃 A dying breed.😅

Keep ’em coming.

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Bella Lugosi you should not blog yourself twice at 12.31 and 4.26 as it was so noticeable.
A wee correction his Grace William Nolan the current successor to St Mungo has NEVER been know as Willie he is know as Bill and in the Eucharistic Prayers 1 – 4 as William.
Let Glasgow Flourish by the Preaching of thy Word
There is only one Wurzil Gummidge and he is Bernard Fellay and not even the Leader of the SSPX just an anointer or a Noddy now.

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The Spanish Catholic Church received a record €284m of donations from Spanish taxpayers in 2021.
Citizens who file a tax return can opt to assign 0.7% of their contributions to the religious institution, the only one that enjoys such a privilege. If the Spanish RCC refuses to cooperate in the enquiry, then the State should revoke the privilege.

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It should be the same for the German and Austrian Catholic churches. There they charge for the sacraments: for God himself.
It’s a moral disgrace, and the Vatican is happy with it. Well, why wouldn’t it be: it was happy with keeping child abusing priests in ministry and happy to ignore the welfare of children.
It beats me why anyone remains part of that stinking institution.

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One of the worries of the Spanish bishops will be the role the Church played during the days of Franco. Spain has gradually been coming to terms both with those hard times and the Civil War in the 1930s. To abuse, one might need to add murder and coercion. Spain was the land of the Inquisition, after all.

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Trujillo cardinal of columbia frequent trips to Madrid re boys as it was mentioned in Martel book. Spanish bishops knew it as they kept schtum.

Spain was a Catholic hotbed but not now anymore. French was right to seperate the state and the church cos they knew the score some 150 years ago.

There was some link between Cuba and Spain cos some cardinals frequent trips to these country for their looks, their preference for Hispanic boy looks than pale white face as siggested in Martel book.

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3:27pm those misfortunes in all those poor countries must have been cannon fodder for those pervert missionaries that were free to take advantage of their power over them. Give a bad name to the well intentioned missionaries too. I suppose that where these Irish priests got their taste for young foreign lads. They can keep in touch with them now on apps & social media. They get them to send social media friend requests to parishioners they don’t like too. Sure thats an easy job for poor street boys – they probably would do anything for money.

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My favourite bible passage is the one where Jesus refuses to be crucified because they’re not crucifying every other founder of a new religious movement.

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The population of NI is 1.9 million – 883,000 Protestants – who are a growing minority. Catholics have more children, the thing about Sinn Fein is highly intelligent and play the long game – no more armelite but the ballot box – Ireland will be united – viva Republic!!

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Many nominal Catholics/ Nationalists would not vote for a United Ireland at present.

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I understand the wish of Irish nationalists who wish to join Northern Ireland to the Republic of Ireland, but would there really be an increase of sovereignty? You would be swapping British oversight (which includes direct, elected representation at Westminster and a generally supportive approach) for, presumably, abolition of Stormont and the overlordship of the European Union. The EU Commissioners and suzerains are unelected and it is doubtful they have any real concern for Ireland (and NI) anymore than they do for similarly sized EU nations.
So, would there be a real increase in the sovereignty of the Irish people over themselves? It seems doubtful. It is perhaps one of the grim ironies of history that, having left British dominion, the Republic of Ireland has been absorbed into the orbit of a European superstate for which no one has ever voted and only one nation has integrally left in recent times after a democratic referendum – the United Kingdom.

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Don’t anyone tell Seamus and the other cathbots that in Numbers 5 God actually commands a pregnancy be terminated by the priest if the woman has cheated on the husband. Funny, He was just fine with termination there.

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Many nominal Catholics/Nationalists will vote in a referendum for a united Ireland – let’s see, referendums can be hard to second guess – the Irish people voted to legalise abortion.
I don’t think they will disappoint regarding a united Ireland – every country wants sovereignty, the UK did which is why they left the EU, and both north and south are united by wanting to be in the EU.
Deep down the Irish are nationalistic and dislike or just about tolerate the English.
History is a bitch and history will lead to a united Ireland.
Long live the Repuplic!!

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8:35pm Surely anyone promoted within the RCC must be absolute experts in covering up shite?

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It must be exhausting for all these Cathbots constantly covering up all the crap that the RCC self-create. The rewards are obviously worth it to them.

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There’s nothing strange or unusual with the stance the Spanish bishops are taking. This is the RCC modus operandi worldwide. Did Christ not say blessed are those who hunger for justice. The RCC must have missed that bit

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9:53pm definitely no hunger for justice for all the victims & survivors of RCC related abuse & wrong doing. Quite the opposite it seems considering how invested they appear to be in ganging up on whistleblowers – birds of a feather

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