From Patsy McGarry IT
The new Bishop of Galway Michael Duignan (51) spoke with disarming frankness at his installation in the Cathedral of Our Lady Assumed into Heaven and St Nicholas near the Salmon Weir Bridge last Sunday.
“We can no longer ignore the fact that much of what the church has built up in Ireland over the last two centuries is crumbling before our eyes,” said Duignan, the 13th man to hold the position in Ireland’s youngest Catholic diocese.
“Many no longer believe the message. Many of our parishes are struggling,” he said. “Despite great work done by generations of priests, religious and lay people now, at times, it feels like we have been out all night without a single catch.”
Galway holds a key place in the recent history of the Catholic Church since Duignan’s predecessor, Eamonn Casey, came to grief 30 years ago after it emerged he had fathered a son, Peter, with American Annie Murphy.
The resignation in disgrace of Casey, though it pales into insignificance with what emerged later, was a pivotal moment. Little was believable before. Everything seemed believable afterwards.
“It was seismic. The Bishop Casey affair! The beginning of the end of trust in mitred men. Eamonn Casey’s big, blustering personality had seemed endearingly chummy to many people,” said former president, Mary McAleese this week
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It’s good to see some of the younger bishops acknowledging that the RCC is finished as a force in Ireland.
At least one of two of them are recognising the game is up.
It’s true that EAMON CASEY began the landslide in 1992.
Then that has been followed by the three decade sexual abuse tsunami.
Not to mention the Tuam Babies and the Magdalen Laundries.
NO REAL PLANNING
But the Irish bishops are not really making practical plans for demise.
They are tinkering around the edges and doing aot of talking and creating a on answer – The Synodal Path.
It will be another “report” that will sit on a shelf gathering dust.
Even if the wanted to, Rome will not allow them to go to practical solutions like abandoning celibacy, ordain married men and ordain women.
So they will just sell buildings and other church property to invest money to cope with the dropping collections and donations.
When the captains of the ship are not taking real steps to stop it sinking then the crew and passengers lose heart too.
The Irish RC ship is sinking fast and no one is even bothering to sing “NEARER MY GOD TO THEE” ship sinking 😳
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
124 replies on “BISHOP ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE RCC TITANIC IS HOLED BELOW THE WATERLINE AND IS SINKING FAST.”
Hope I’m first with the comment about rearranging the deck chairs!
Good point about what Rome would or wouldn’t let the bishops do.
There is another thing on the horizon which the church is unprepared for because attention has been focussed on control in an attempt to keep the flock together and doomed projects like allowing the old mass to try to get the SSPX in. What’s coming is the next schism and I think it might even be a three way split – German type Catholics, Latin mass Catholics and everyone else. It will be as bitter as any of the arguments in the Episcopal church and nobody will go peacefully. That’s the next nail in the coffin.
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@10.41 pm
I think you have hit the hammer on the nail. Well done!
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Avoiding defections to independents and SSPX rather than incorporating the SSPX could perhaps have been the reason for Quattuor Abhinc Annos of 1984 (making the Agatha Christie indult universal) onwards, or simply replicating them insofar as possible (for instance the PVI order bishops used). Traditional Catholics are only clearly self sustaining element in Europe and America with large families, good collections, and sizeable vocations. The creation of the FSSP and other similar societies has incorporated this element into the post V2 Church. Pope Francis gets on well with the current SSPX SG Fr Pagliarani having met him recently for a friendly visit, and granted them faculties for Confessions and (conditionally for) weddings. It’s one of the irons in the fire.
Now as to the mainstream, there seems to be a paucity of fresh thinking. Clericalizing lay helpers like lectors, EMHCs and parish council members is something that enthuses a small circle that gather around priests. Ordaining married men would do nothing to deal with scandal given how bishops deal with it now. Someone should just pay attention to the scandals from adultery to child abuse that afflict Anglicanism. Any pretended ordination of women is like clericalising parish helpers, of interest only to cronies.
Perhaps the quality of liturgy is low (the sheer number of priests who fail to dress professionally when not on the altar, and even on it is something else), and there’s certainly no doubt that religious education is worthless. The French solution of no religion in schools with a priest offering it outside school hours on school or parochial premises might be better than the SJW and pantheistic rubbish children get, which results in nearly all departing after Confirmation. Some mightn’t like that, but it’s just factual.
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6.38
You are confusing traditional with traditionalist.
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Birmingham is selling real estate – making lay people redundant – whilst having 11 people on 60k and CEO on over £100k and Mass attendance at 22000 from previous 55000.
Liveroool is 14000 from previous 85000 and Clifton is under 10,000 coming in at 9300.
5 years from now – who knows – sell sell sell the real estate that’s the best they can do!!
Casey was small fry compared to what was coming down the pike.
It’s like the last days of the Roman (Catholic) Empire.
The wicked witch is on her knees not praying but counting out her money.
Soon the wicked witch will be dead.
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You mean they’re busy selling the only investment that is actually rising in value at the moment? LOL
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Particular thanks to Patsy McGarry for identifying the location of Galway Cathedral as being near the Salmon Weir bridge. I suppose in the new Ireland we describe large church buildings as being next to obscure landmarks and not vice versa.
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Pat, its a pity you let your dark cynicism and hopelessness flow too easily. Bishop Duignan spoke honestly and those of us on the ground for decades know only too well the crises and reality. But we should not be so negatively despairing as you are. You’ve had years to create some new community of faith and witness and spirituality. That didn’t happen and I guarantee you that were you to try now to create a new kind of Church, you’d meet as many obstacles as we are facing. We must situate ourselves in the bigger frame of seismic changes in our country which have impacted on the very definition of being a Church, being Catholic and Christian. I don’t believe you are genuinely honest in having a true, reflective and honest dialogue about finding new ways of giving witness to Christ in the 21st century. Many of us are engaging with good programmes in our parishes to initiate positive dialogue re: parish renewal, serving one another, being inclusive of all and calling to ministry the many gifted people in our parishes. We must not give up our hope as long as we believe in Jesus and his gospel. Not must we fail to seek the power of the Holy Spirit. I am saddened that you seek to undermine, deflate, ridicule and dismiss all and every effort by our bishops. Your comments are destructively unkind and display a horrid ungraciousness. It would appear that you delight when you see failings of any kind in fellow Catholic pastors! You pour vitriol instead of encouragement. Then I realise that JESUS is my inspiration and not some wayward nastyite in Larne.
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Every time 11:09 comments it brings joy to my heart and fresh hope that the church of Rome will die out and its evil cease to blight our world.
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It WILL die out when sanctimonious idiots like 11.09, probably a cleric, completely fail to acknowledge reality and try to deflect attention away from the self inflicted demise of their cosseted institution.
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Yes, Sammy, spot on. 11:09 is a shining beacon of the sort of charity, kindness and so on, which have brought them to this place. It’s funny how they make out that any criticism is persecution and shrilly denounce it. You would think with a calendar full of martyrs they would welcome ‘persecution’ but I’ve reached the point where I just assume they don’t believe their own religion.
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Anon @ 8.22: Have you no other responses other than your usual verbiage. Somehow i doubt you have a brain big enough to offer intelligent comments. You rarely embellish any conversation with your glib, innocuous sound bytes.
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Translation from church speak of 12:38’s comment:
‘Intelligent means agreeing with me, I have no respect for anyone else nor compunction in making out they’re stupid’.
That’s right guys, this is the exact attitude that’s got the Romish cult where it is today!
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8:22am. They must have had a bad weekend at the Boiler House & the like, the birds all spitting feathers this fine Monday!
🤣🤣🤣 🪶 🪶 🪶
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Some people have a good PQ (Prayer Quotient). Some people do not. A modern day challenge for all Christian communities is to bring theists on a journey to prayer. The month of May is a wonderful month for prayer. If some theists could spend a wee while saying even one rosary, it will be a positive step.
Miracles are a manifestation of divine or spiritual power. I witnessed such a miracle in recent days. 🙏
Pax
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That’s nice.
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2.03: Gotcha ya!! If you want to contribute intelligently, you need a brain. Where did you get your “translation” degree from? Which esteemed institution? From your arse, it seems!! 😂😂😉😁😁🤣🤣..
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4:05 I stand corrected, ‘father’.
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Translation of 4:05 from church speak:
‘Oh **** he’s got me sussed’.
Hint: you learn about translating church speak in academic law departments, not in languages. I wonder why.
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11.09: You’re easily gladdened. I haven’t commented here for a long time..Tempus fugit. I’m gladdened when my truth hurts you, fool.
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I wouldn’t expect anything else from a priest, ‘father’.
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Romanism is dying out.
THANK GOD!
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Amen.
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@ 2:25am!!!
That’s what you think, it will still be here long after you’re toast Deo Gratias!!!
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The violence and threats are never far away when dealing with the church of Rome.
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10am – Well Said – modern day terrorists – outwardly guised in collars & tweeds as appearing socially acceptable but barely scratch the surface & you’ll find their ill concealed venom flows freely. Uugh 🤮🤮
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9.59: Sammy, your septic tank must be nearly empty at this stage.. You certainly have no difficulty in filling your tank with poison and hatred!!! ☻☻☻😈😈☻☻👹👹👹👺👺…
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Translation of 11:53 from church speak:
‘ I regret the passing of the days when we could murder people and bury their remains in septic tanks with impunity, and since they’re gone I’ll have to make do with verbally abusing you on the internet’.
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@11:53: Can’t you differentiate between sceptic and septic? No!
One smells the stink of a rotten institution. The other just looks like it.
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Almost every village in England had a Methodist chapel but from the mid-1980s, they were sold and turned into residential dwellings. You’ll only find chapels now in significant cities and towns. The same will happen with the RCC real estate.
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I keep thinking of that comparison as well. The major difference is that Methodists have basically started planning for their demise, including proposing to rejoin the C of E. It’s hard to see how Rome could realistically face that when its entire doctrine says it can’t happen. Ironic, really.
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What would be the point of joining the CofE [sic]? It’s kaput. And which part of the CofE [sic], as there are about 20 versions of it, even in the same parish.
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So bitter.
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Thus, is Bp Guignan attributing the church situation to the consistent Vatican City State policies, described yesterday, or is he patronisingly ascribing the atmosphere to one of those temperamental blips the Irish (mostly older than him) sometimes go through? Is his wording carefully contrived to have two – mutually contradictory – meanings? What about when he appears to say anything about belief in Jesus and Scriptures?
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“…it feels like we have been out all night without a single catch.”
Most gay priests will know the feeling.
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Hilarious. But as we all know, the sales start at 3 am – and what you could not have caught at 11 pm is within reach by that time.
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Off topic, I saw on a web site the phrase “oil of catechumens”, I was in one of those catechumenate thingys for 28 years, I don’t remember seeing any oil (mind you I did skive for several years in the middle), was I cheated, did I drop out prematurely? Personally I think those outfits ought to be cut back to four years.
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No you had it at baptism.
The next natural step is Oil of Olay….
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Phew!
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Great post Pat and interesting to see someone at least attempting to see the wood from the trees.
Eamon Casey’s misadventures certainly started the fun but don’t forget the input from Father Ted. It was enormous. Not only was it comedy genius it was biting satire – every aspect of the RCC got a going over. Financial issues, bishops with women/kids, corruption, papal infallibility, drinking, censorship, contraception -everything got the Ted treatment and it was hilarious. It did very severe and long term damage to the RCC in Ireland and turned it from an object of perhaps grudging acknowledgement to one of outright ridicule. It also came at just the right time as Ireland was beginning to boom, Jack Charlton was leading us to glory and yes the Irish realized they could in fact do things right and be a match for the world. There had always been rebels -John B Keane, Noel Browne, The Boomtown Rats – but Ted absolutely stuck the knife in.
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And Gay Byrnes Late Late
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Indeed, although the presenter was grudging. I dont subscribe to the view that the Late Late changed Ireland, it merely reflected what was happening. Gsy Byrne was an unpleasant and pretentious man and along with the likes of Liam Cosgrave was very pro-church.
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9:08 it is compulsory for anyone who adopts or fosters children to be completely beholden to the RCC. RCC have a long history of successfully facilitating adoption & vouching for fostering etc. up to the present time. Gay Byrne was a leading example & used his job to full advantage as we saw on many occasions including the way he treated Annie Murphy. After all, she was only rightfully fighting for the right of her son to be financially supported by his biological father, Bishop Eamon Casey. Bishop Casey gave that child none of his personal time, never tried to be any kind of parent to the child in any way, shape or form. In short, he abused & took advantage of a vulnerable young woman in his care & was emotionally abusive to the child he impregnated her with. No doubt he’d have preferred she abort the baby. And then his own relative revealed being abused by him as a child.
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Fr Ted was broadcast after the Casey affair, in 1995. In fact, without Casey in 1992, it may never have been made. Casey was definitely the start of the demise. Bishop Roddy Wright compounded things in 1996 with similar goings-on. To the extent that when Bishop Kieron Conroy did the same, it was almost nothing.
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100% true.
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When you think how monumental the programme was in ending RC political and social dominance, it seems sad that Graham Linehan, the co-writer, has been “cancelled” over his transphobic comments. I am sorry the musical was cancelled. But I guess everything has its time.
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10:21 Remember 1979 when Bishop Casey & Fr Michael Cleary dancing & what not during Pope John Paul II Visit!! We public were innocent to the truth of what they at & most people afraid of them anyway. Old people then believed clergy had power to put a curse on anyone that crossed them & spoke of what they believed to be factual cases of this happening. We’d have been better off if those snakes ate that Welsh shepherd lad.
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Remember KOB.
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Film Screening and Panel Discussion: Manufacturing the Clerical Predator
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Nate’s Mission [Milwaukee WI] May 8, 2022
How the Catholic Hierarchy Creates and Maintains a Culture of Abuse
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In this webinar, organizer and film director Sarah Pearson will present a documentary film featuring former and current priests who reveal how clerical pedophilia is not a phenomenon that occurs as the result of an external perversion of the Catholic hierarchy, but rather, a distinct form of sexual violence that is produced, manufactured, and reproduced within the clerical system.”
Film screening and virtual panel discussion;
Manufacturing the Clerical Predator: How the Catholic Hierarchy Creates and Maintains a Culture of Abuse
Tuesday, May 10, 2022 4-6PM Eastern time
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Thank you so much for this link.
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Very appropriate that it’s being shown in Milwaukie, where the arch-liberal abuser, Archbishop Rembert Weakland, preyed on victims.
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I expect he’ll watch it from the Vatican tinpot banana republic, where I believe he’s still holed up.
Providentially if you Google rembert Google suggests ‘Nuremberg trials’.
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@ 9:08am
That wasn’t very unctious of you Ted, Gaybo was very pleasant and why shouldn’t he be pro Church. We’ve enough of you haters, Lord rest him.
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It started on The Late Late Show with uncle Gaybo.
The rot began with the Bishop and the nightie, Bella!
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@8.55 am Presumably this is a wind-up?
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Gay went to mass every day so it is said in memory of his mother. He would have been brought up in a God fearing age when the missions came to the parish and put the fear of hell and damnation in you if you did not toe the line. Gay tried to get us thinking and he was well connected to tje church behind the scenes. Marion Finuncane had first cousin in the vatican and had a catholic burial though she was divorced. May they all rest in peace.
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Why is Eugene Sweeney sheltering Stephen Wilson and his Trolly 🏳️🌈
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Did you mean trolley?
Or is your comment merely troll-y?
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Thank you Mark Moriarty for your clarification and advice. Hi Mark how is King Puck these days any feelings of remorse
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10:54, I am 8:59 and as it happens I’m not Mark Moriarty and have never met any of the people mentioned in this thread. I would, however, put money on one or all of them being behind the bitter trolling of this blog.
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9.45
Stalker Eugene is not sheltering anyone.
He is getting Stephen ready for his ordination in June I think Sunday 26th June.
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It’s going to be Ireland’s biggest celebration of LGBTQ pride in a long while.
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@ 10:46am
The only wind up merchant is you Teddy boy!
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@10:09am
Ha! Ha! Patsy good wan, I’m sure it’s only you and me who remember the nightie debacle. Nettie must have flung it out by now. Even she can’t still be wearing it, it must be in bits as we all were at the time.
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The bishops are now getting flung out, Bella. It was ironic, to say the least, for the Bishop
to ring Gaybo considering the sexploitations been covered up by the Hierarchy at the time.
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Fintan O’Toole wrote about the various abuses employed ranging from sly remarks to social media trolling. RUC placed Brother Brendan Halpin, Down & Connor on sex offenders list. The new Galway Bishop is at least not in the stubborn web of denial his colleagues prefer to occupy. Wishing him well in his new post.
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@ 1:55pm
I don’t agree that Nettie knows best about anything, Dr. Ryan was only acting as most Bishops of the time would have. However the rest of the Hierarchy wisely kept quiet and poor Bishop Ryan copt the lot. Do tell us which Bishops are getting flung out as we know you are the fount of all GOSSIP.
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The nightie or lack of had nothing to do with Dr. Ryan. The Hierarchy have major credibility problems with their flocks.
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I like Michael Duignan. We were together for a year in Kiltegan.
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@9:55, So bishop Michael like you and I, will be well familiar with walking High Park’s Our Lady of Africa avenue. But reading up on his biography of illustrious studies and work, I see no time spent “on the missions.” Isn’t that what Kiltegan SPS priests were ordained for?
To what extent does their ‘Caritas Christi urget nos’ motto implying missionary activities really apply to “desk clerics?”
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10:14am The RCC is a “business” more than ever these days completely invested in wealth & asset building with the assistance of their teams of professionally qualified lay & paid cohorts. The modern day lack of vocations driven by the lack of public credibility & public exposure of all manner of coverups worldwide has provided promotional opportunities for ambitious clerics that previously did not exist due to severely constricted talent pool. They are in effect making hay for themselves whilst the sun shines. A thoroughly self interested & selfish cohort. I’m allright Jack attitude.
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I didn’t know he was yet another one of these missionary priests who never went abroad. A bit like joining the army and never firing a shot.
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2:44pm its called “learning to destroy without bullets”, RCC has been a leading educator in this field for centuries but the bullets started to ricochet in recent decades & coming back at them faster and faster as time progresses.
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You should probably define “together” 😇
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@ 8:36pm
Wrong again Nettie, at that time there was still plenty of credibility, the problems started a lot later.
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A Portsmouth Perspective
Pre Covid 35,000 attended Sunday Mass across the Diocese. The figure is now estimated at 15-17,000. Pretty much a 50% decrease.
Bishop Egan is currently planning a 10 year strategy based on the ‘1000 voice’ survey. It is not surprising that the majority of respondents were white ladies in their later years. The exact same people who have for decades feminised the liturgy and run our parishes through councils and committees.
Bishop Egan has employed many including a chief operating officer who has a very attractive salary.
Our priests always seem to be on retreat to exotic destinations such as Rome or Santiago.
Parish newsletters are always encouraging the congregation to give and gift aid.
It is insulting to those struggling to pay the bills during this cost of living crisis.
I know many independent Catholic/continuing Anglican movements whose clergy are not paid.
They minister out of love and usually have a secular employment.
Maybe Bishop Egan can get John Paul Lyttle a job on the checkout at Lidl?
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Of course it isn’t surprising numbers have fallen so dramatically.
The churches were locked and live streaming of the Mass became the norm.
Many churches, once open, kept windows open to disperse the virus even in the dead of winter. Not particularly comfortable for the elderly.
Going to Mass you had to sign in or be tracked by an app.
The sunday oblligation was thrown in the bin.
Cultural Catholics have now discovered the joy of staying in bed on Sunday morning.
Masses continued at some SSPX churches within the Diocese. The church would be open for “private prayer” and the priest pray a low Mass at the Altar. The FSSP and LMS adherents soon jumped ship and of course the numbers tripled.
The SSPX hell, fire and brimstone approach has helped along with the prevalent attitude among traditionalists being that Covid doesn’t exiist or is a mild flu.
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Go Darwin!
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“Church and sexual abuse of minors has long been an issue. But in addition to the paedophilia scandals, other revelations are shaking the Catholic Church: allegations from across the world of nuns being sexually abused by priests. In February 2019, Pope Francis acknowledged the abuse for the first time. This documentary gives an insight into an issue in the Catholic Church that has remained largely unreported.”
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Apparently, Fonzie celebrated 11am Mass for vocations sunday from the RTÉ studios in Donnybrook, Dublin, on RTÉ One Television. There is a flowery statement from Fonzie with quotes from Frankie on the Bishops conference website. Any statement from W&L on the 70K ongoing Garda investigation? Where does covered up tiles fit in the collective mosaic? Openness, honesty, and transparency are essential. A transparent, honest empowered culture builds a community of trust. Cover-ups are toxic.
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Great comment.
Is there any news on the 70k story Pat?
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Ah yes employing lay people to do things clergy can’t do – finance, HR, manage investment, sell real estate means comparable salaries within charity sector and a few perks chucked in for good measure to mitigate their future employment prospects (seriously working for a diocese isn’t a career move).
Populated by middle managers from National Trust, NHS, police and School Academies.
As for vocations, youth work, evangelisation, etc – they are considered pup and irrelevant, the Big Boys are doing all the non religious stuff because that’s where the Kudos is!!
Watch the Mass attendance continue to plummet and give it a decade – Clifton already at 9390, imagine what East Anglia, Northampton, Plymouth, Hallam and Hexham and Newcastle are at – Birmingham is bad but Liverpool is catastrophic at 14000 from 85,000.
Meanwhile McMahon and Longley will put it out that things are marvellous- Synod this and Synod that, consultation here consultation there, fiction after fiction.
It’s all about the demographic – white middle class elderly ladies are literally a dying breed – the Gospel, Jesus, God even, don’t get a look in because it’s all about managing failure and decline all dressed up in management speak and political correctness underpinned by pension provisions and nursing old men to their graves.
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1:36pm Many elderly white middle class ladies appear to have copped themselves on. I met a good friend for lunch recently, just back from the Canaries – early 80s. I was surprised she wanted to meet for an early lunch but it turns out she only goes to mass now when “I feel like it” (her words) & I asked her if she was still planning on leaving them the good few quid she mentioned from time to time as earmarked for them & she looked me right in eye & told me “No”. People read the newspapers & otherwise see what they see and are not stupid. We discussed potential worthy causes & agreed on a local womens shelter as something now closer to her heart as being more deserving of practical help & support.
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That sounds like an intelligent mature woman: intelligent in terms of “cop-on”, and mature in terms of strength of character to see and act beyond the dependent fearful religious guff so many have been indoctrinated into.
You too sound similar and supportive to her. Well done.
MMM
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Bishop Duignan is the new Dermo, ie a bishop long on analysis and identifying problems, but short on solutions.
Gathering aged parishoners to chew the fat at synodality meetings isn’t the solution. Generations of Catholics have been lost by the dogged refusal to catechise, and there cannot be bigger wastes of money anywhere than Catholic schools, which at great expense churn out pupils who are not merely lapsed, but are actively hostile.
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Hon, you have noticed nobody’s going to church to be catechised haven’t you. 🤣
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They are going to the massively oversubscribed Catholic schools, though, where they should be getting catechised.
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Howling at 3:45. You don’t get it do you? Nobody even believes the religion any more. Not the clergy, not the teachers, and not you if you were honest. The fact you’re not honest merely indicates you’re a Roman Catholic, an institution which has devolved to being a social club much like, ironically, freemasonry.
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2.20
The successful identification of a problem is already a long way towards resolving it.
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Disappointed but not surprised to see that the historically anti-Cathlolic Irish Times (whose circulation is falling at a faster rate than Mass attendance lol) has disobliging quotes from two rent-a-gobs, Hoban and Big Mac McAleese. In the name of all that’s good, would the bishops please lay on a Nuptial High Mass in the Pro for Mary’s son and any boyfriend he gets, so that we can get a minute’s peace from her harpie chat?
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Howling @ 6:23pm
You’re never done howling yar throat must be red raw altogether. You don’t get it do you, many people still believe and always will in The One True Church wither you like it or not.
Start howling!
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2.41: What a wonderful name for McAleese – RENT A GOB…So apt. This lady is forever seeking attention ever since her son cut her apron ties…She Molly coddled him until.he found his voice. Then she began a tyrannical tirade against the Catholic Church. She should follow Olivia O Leary to Christ Church…Then she’ll find the perfect church.!!!!! They too would find her screechingly unbearable..
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2:41 — one of the most horrible comments on this website.
Fr Hoban and Dr McAleese made excellent statements. They seem to be the only two people with the courage to speak under their own names.
Creepy anonymous homophobes will never show their faces, since they know that the majority of decent Irish citizens despise them..
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2.41pm
You deftly reveal what Mrs McAleese encounters – homophobia and misogyny all wrapped up in a bundle of clerical envy and jealousy – well done.
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3.24pm. Dr McAleese, please. You shouldn’t name her with reference to her marital status, particularly as she has a doctorate. You wouldn’t do that to a man.
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Woke alert @4:48pm
Oh! please, the over use of the word Misogyny by all you woke creatures is sickening. Especially as regards the gobshite Mary Mack, it’s not that long ago when she was crawling to the Hierarchy. Until she found out her baby boy was the only gay in the village and all of a sudden became anti-Church.
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Why are people here obsessed with the false notion that each and every comment is made by a clerical contributor?
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4:52pm My guess would be that this blog is frequented primarily by clericals & their reps & by victims & survivors of past & current church related wrong doing. One things for sure, no clerics or their reps apologise or give their real names on here – probably using it to scout for potential enemy identities. Censorship is key weapon of RCC. They’ve learned nothing it seems. That’s why it is where it’s at.
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Anonymous at 4:52 you’ve got it wrong. We don’t assume commenters are clergy. When a comment is by an obvious clerical **** licker (literal or metaphorical) you can’t tell them apart.
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McAleese has the self importance and self promoting nature of most professional lay Catholics. She cannot shut up about her son. Her pomposity and narcissism is of greater moment than whether her son is gay.
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7:41pm Self important & self promoting types in parish management encouraged by clergy to advance their own personal agendas are another off putting aspect of the RCC. Parishioners are no longer amenable to being intimidated into overlooking wrong doing for the “convenience” of the RCC business agenda that has nothing to do with God as we see from their actions in various respects worldwide. I understand that our former President of Ireland, Dr Mary McAleese challenged the Roman Catholic Church when her brother was a victim of abuse. I don’t imagine her son will be joining the RCC clergy so he is free to make his own life in our thankfully, kinder & more accepting world that is increasingly less & less aligned to Roman Catholic guilt & dogma these days. Onwards & Upwards.
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Pat have you ever met Eamon Martin and discussed the issues in the Blog.
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No.
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Pat it is ok to drive up to the chancellery in a calm and composed manner?
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Have you actually asked to meet Archbishop Martin?
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No.
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Pat are you scared of Eamon Martin 😬
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Yeah! Really 😱
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I’m aure Pat is terrified of both big Amy Doll and Mrs Doyle. Pat have you ever seen Saving Private Ryan 😄😄😄
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Yes once the Tipping Point is reached then they know the sale of their property portfolio will plug the hole but only temporarily- a band aid so to speak – but then, the pragmatic realists among them (very few if any truth be told) will realise the party is over and by God it’s been a party – Casey, O’Brien, Trujillo et al – and maybe from the ashes and dust a humbled, lowly and contrite church might emerge.
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I doubt it.
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4:19pm if their appointed supports are anything to go by, there’s definitely nothing humbled or contrite coming down the line, quite the opposite in fact.
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There will be a figure – a statistic which each diocese will know – it’s a Tipping Point which will indicate that they are unviable – as we speak they will have actuaries spreadsheeting it and paid a fortune to do so – say Clifton for example drops to sub 5000 Mass Goers say 4999 that will be a signal that they are going to have to wind up – to a diocese every parishioner who donates and Gift Aids has a monetary value – they don’t think in terms of souls but fiscal value (it’s a business after all) and unlike creative and entrepreneurial people they will liquidatate assets and close up shop.
In my lifetime I reckon we will see UK and Irish dioceses going bankrupt and winding up.
No organisation can withstand their level of institutional corruption and incompetence.
Will I dance in their grave?
Hell, yes.
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Obviously I can’t speak for how old you are but I’m in my fifties and I think the existing strategies of spreading everything thin will last my lifetime. I would love to join you in your dance!
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They just merge under a bishop like Menevia and Cardiff. Its harder to find bishops who are upright too.
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Pat please do a blog on failure of Armagh to grasp the problem of gay priests getting active in their parishes!! 😂😂😂
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That’s what every blog *post* is about these days.
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6.25pm
The economic downturn is precisely that – economic- the precipitous decline in Mass attendance and subsequent depletion of donations is also connected with institutional scandal and corruption.
Go on, let your hair down, join me in my Jig on the Grave.
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Bishop Pat you have worked a treat in Armagh. Well done!
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Any news of ex Fr Lee of Galway? Perhaps some news as to reasons for his departure from the church might be a place to start if the new Bishop of Galway wants to avoid other icebergs in the future.
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Any news from the Missing in Actions (MIAs) this weather? No word on Forrest Hump?
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Pat, what about Mr Keenan over in Paisley who came away with a second prize after tangling with you. I see he didn’t get the big job in Glasgow I bet he been eating humble pie since. ?
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The unpopular Irish Times is a deeply sectarian paper and always has been.
https://www.historyireland.com/shorthand-for-protestants-sectarian-advertising-in-the-irish-times/
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A priest in W&L often referred to the Sinking Ship (Titanic).
He’s now a youngish RETIRED priest.
He referred to his bed as his w*nking chariot 🍆
(Not from the pulpit obviously 🙄)
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