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Pope Francis says the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council are being resisted by groups with “closed mindsets” who call into question the authority of bishops to preserve the Church’s tradition. 

Francis’ remarks, made during a speech to a group from the Pontifical Liturgical Institute of Sant’Anselmo in Rome, can be read as a defence of his decision to issue restrictions on the use of the pre-Vatican II liturgy. The Pope also hit back at those creating divisions over the liturgy saying they were doing the devil’s work. 

Traditionis Custodes (Guardians of the Tradition), issued in July 2021, handed authority to local bishops to oversee celebrations of the Traditional Latin Mass and overturned Benedict XVI’s 2007 ruling which had made it much easier for priests to celebrate the Old Rite. But many of those attached to the pre-Vatican II Mass have responded to Traditionis Custodes with furious hostility and resistance. 

“Closed mindsets use liturgical schemes to defend their own point of view,” the Pope said during his address. “This is the drama we are experiencing in ecclesial groups that are distancing themselves from the Church, questioning the Council, the authority of the bishops…to preserve tradition. And the liturgy is used for this.”

When he issued his restrictions on the Old Rite, Francis said he was seeking to preserve the unity of the Church, saying that support for the pre-Vatican liturgy often includes “a rejection not only of the liturgical reform, but of the Vatican Council II itself, claiming, with unfounded and unsustainable assertions”. An ecumenical council is the highest form of legislation in the Church and at Vatican an overwhelming majority of bishops voted to reform the liturgy. 

PAT SAYS

I am not a particular fan of Pope Francis. I cannot make up my mind about him.

But he was elected by the College of Cardinals.

And of course there was “politics”. There always is.

I don’t believe that the Holy Spirit plays any role in papal elections.

The Holy Spirit does not involve him/ her self in evil matters.

But Francis IS the RCC pope.

And the Second Vatican Council is as legitimate a General Council as there ever has been.

Right wing RC people, hankering after the Latin Mass is rather like the Amish preferring to use horses for transport instead of cars.

The horse and cart is quaint and romantic. But out of date.

I am not part of the RC anymore.

But how can you claim to be a faithful and loyal RC and refuse to accept the pope and a General Council?

Is that not the road to schism?

NON NORTHERN IRELAND READERS MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND THIS

138 replies on “POPE FRANCIS ON CLOSED MINDS”

Not sure the analogy with the Amish and their refusal to own motor vehicles is a good one for this problem. Today fewer younger people are learning to drive and are rejecting car ownership.

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9:45 There is a cost of living crisis, workers can’t even find affordable rentals in some areas and you even see it reported on media on workers forced to sleep in cars. Add to that all the talk of banning some types of cars for environmental purposes in coming years – Vatican won’t be bothered – they can well afford cars & houses for their clergy even though they will still ask the sheep to pay up.

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It was the Manifest Destiny Macmillanites & Nixonites that pushed car leasing. There was plenty modernity before them.

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I hope Bill Mulvihill is ok? I’m sure Gabriel Lyons has not gave him a second thought and yet Bill defended him so vigorously yesterday. I really like you Bill. I admire your honesty and passion but I hope you are ok.

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That the the provisions in SC on Latin and Gregorian chant were ignored is so well known. It was a sort of trick by modernists anyway, a deliberately vague doc. Montini’s versus populum Mass of 1964 was substantially in Italian, so it was clear SC was a dead letter. The failure of the new order of mass (a rather masonic name whether in Latin or English – I doubt it was a sort of Virgilian echo) and the LOTH is just factual, with Catholicism a minority in Latin America and basically dead on continental Europe. Congegations are just some old people now. Here in Ireland no effective effort was made to recruit to religious orders, most of which are now gone or will be gone soon. This lewd attack by a physically failing conciliar pope is the usual for him and he will soon be gone. Catholics will have to rebuild when the conciliar ape of the Church finally dies.

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Pope Francis lamented in a document he wrote that the truth is ‘nobody will read it’ and that’s the truth about Vatican II – a collection of 16 documents the ‘fruit’ of meetings in the Vatican between 1962-1965, which nobody reads.
Certainly very few clergy read it or are familiar with the documents. Undoubtedly Gaidium et Spes is the highlight and Para 22 especially beautiful but by and large the documents (the essence of Vatican Ii) are ignored and gathering dust.
Privately (for in private is where the clergy reveal themselves) they mock and take the piss out of anyone who reads or studies Vatican II.
Clergy who are right wing and despise Vatican II openly – God knows I’ve met plenty of them – believe in obedience to the Pope but they mean a Pope of their choosing and bent (bent being the operative word).

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I wish more priests would have closed minds. Far too many are having sex with each other and are involved in agreements.

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9.02: The morning after the night of drinking comment!! Such idiocy. Bring your brain up from between your legs…

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Sky Documentary on Mother Teresa was interesting.
She was extraordinary and courageous: she left the Lorettos and went to the streets to serve the poor.
She intervened in a conflict and rescued orphans.
She had way more balls than any priest.
On the downside:
Her order had cult like tendencies- she was private authoritarian and domineering (founders often are I guess)
Her sisters practiced flagelation – the psychosexual implications were screaming and suggested a thrill in submission, pain and suffering.
Her confessor was Donald McGuire a squat and manipulative serial child abuser.
Oh and the money – how much – God knows – at its height – £100,000 million a year – not a penny spent on alleviating poverty but on setting up convents.
Oh and the money deposited in the Vatican Bank (say no more)

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The flagellation and various other physical methods of physical mortification were the norm in religious life up to Vatican 2.

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It’s the closed mindset of this Dictator Pope who has no concern for people who want to worship in the traditional rites. If he or any of the modernist polyesters who constantly go on about it, had actually read Vat II document on the Sacred Liturgy, They will find it states LATIN is the primary language of The Church, there is no mention of cranmer tables, standing for Holy Communion never mind receiving it in the hand! etc. However article 54 states that it is the duty of the clergy to see that the faithful are able to say or sing together in LATIN those parts of The Mass which pertains to them. No mention of the aberrations now present in the dreadful novus ordo. Which is the cause of the present state of things, no vocations,empty churches and no sign of the new springtime for The Church which they were always bleating on about. Please God may this pernicious influence soon depart with the synod to hell.

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@1:10pm
Get a grip ya stupid cow, if you believe all that shite you’re certainly dreaming like you always do. I don’t know what spirit is guiding that oul skin, but there is nothing holy about it. Don’t know where you plucked that number from, but Patsy will tell you numbers mean nothing. Hide and watch just how successful the synod will be.

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I stopped receiving communion on the tongue when I saw priests leaving the incognito sauna on a Saturday night, it wasn’t difficult for me to know where those hands had been.

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1.19: I suspect you were embarrassed that you were the one who enjoyed the rambling hands of the cleric…never expecting he might be your local P.P….you ate a perve.

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1:19pm. I wouldn’t be able to look at the altar now without wondering who or what was on it during the night!! 🤓

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9.40
It’s clear from the word circumstantium in the Roman canon that the faithful stood around the altar during the prayer. Draw your own conclusions based on textual and other forms of historical evidence. The use of terms such as “cranmer tables” (sic) is ahistorical nonsense. Bela Lugosi Govan once again making a show of herself and her lack of erudition.

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In my youth “Catholic” was something some people happened to loosely belong to (assuming they weren’t from boarding school, Latino / Hispanic, Jesuit influenced, etc). It didn’t have to mean claiming we were “more honest” than anybody else should have been. We just didn’t think “Catholic” had to mean “dishonest”: that was how my family and fellow parishioners were progressives. (Does the superficial article have an author?)

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We have been trained to have closed minds but I implore you all to open up your hearts, what do you feel?

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Is it true that anyone disagreeing with the Pope are sinning against the Holy Spirit and their sin cannot be forgiven by God. Are those people heading to the eternal fires of Hell.?

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No that’s only if you assault him (official).
My parish priest told me that saying no to him would damn my dying grandmother to hell though.

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The old ways developed over thousands of years were best. Away with the happy clappy VAT II rubbish!

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Thank god I don’t have to look at another communion dress for a year, yesterday was wild craic. I’m getting too old for all this nonsense.

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I,30pm I suppose the hair and makeup plus bouncy castle and all the food and drink can be a bit tiring for anyone be they young or old. I’d say you enjoyed your day all the same, watching your child in her communion dress and wondering how will she turn out, will she continue to go to mass and receive communion. Its up to the parents isn’t it. Ah you’ll be fine by the time next year comes around for the next session.

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If you know of a priest that is having sexual relations then you must go to your local paper or tell the emergency services

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My granny had great devotion to Peter Plunkett- Pat have you ever been to his shrine?? We always went to the blessing of animals there every year- such a beautiful atmosphere

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The psychosexual dynamic of many encounters within Catholicism are plain to see and part of its hidden ‘occult’ element.

Kneeling down and putting your tongue out to receive the host from ‘Father’ blatantly mirrors fellatio.

Obedience to a superior is pure BDSM

Flagelation is explicit BDSM

The grammar of submission and docility mirror the Dom v Sub dynamic.

The grammar of spousal commitment is blatantly erotic

And so…..

Clergy get off on Who’s the Daddy in the Parish and it’s all about High Control.

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Pat why is Martin Magill obsessed with helping young men in distress? Since when did he assume this responsibility?

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Noel Treanor is off to Paris, yet again. How can the absent Bishop of D&C get away with so many trips? Yes he may be president of the European Bishops but he needs to sort out his own terrible diocese before reaching out to others.

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You should see the bottles of wine that get delivered to Lisbreen Palace every week it much be like a vineyard in there.

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3:59pm Keeping the recycling service very busy. Well for some & so many struggling to buy food & the basics these days. Not many could even afford to go to church these days, with their nosey volunteers pretending not to be watching how much money going in.

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What was Eugene O’Neill doing over by St Brigids all this week? Is Fr O’Donnell not well or is he on sabbatical?

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Eugene is VERY good friends with Eddie and he was probably just visiting and yet you are gossip mongering.

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Anyone that knows Eugene knows him and Eddie walk round shaws bridge from their time together. There are some people who really have it in for Eugene but he isn’t a bad spud.

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2.53: Retiring from what? Work? More an easy life than anything else! FFS – stop the idolising of Larne? There is only One God: The God of JESUS CHRIST. No other.

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The Tom Brady case was appalling- my God Galway better get their cheque book out – God knows Tom Brady got his penis out quick enough all those years ago.
A brutal sexual assault on an innocent young man – robbing him of his childhood – what kind of price can you put on that?

You can’t but 5 million Euros would be a start personally I’d award a £10 million award in his favour.

This much I know Galway knew all about this predator and it’s like poker – who blinks first – they rely on the poor traumatised victim keeping stum for the rest of his life and Father getting away scott free.

He won’t find prison to his liking – who knows he might even get jumped on sexually and against his will.

Imagine how many others have experienced this from these clerical predators and are trapped by their trauma.

So many clergy are perverts and criminals.

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3:09pm that poor child will carry that forever. We do not know the half of it because they are so expert and accomplished and have such a wide network of volunteers to assist them in keeping victims silenced. No respect for boundaries or legal right to confidentiality or anything.

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Bishop Pat, the young Armagh priest will be going by train again today like most Sundays to Connolly. He is careful to join ay either Newry, Portadown or Lurgan to avoid detection. He goes to the Sauna Sunday night and stays in a hotel until at least Tuesday. Sometimes he will get the train on a Monday. It should be easy to detect him.

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Amy is shitting himself looking at the train stations now on a Sunday/Monday. I am going to OUT an ex Cookstown priest soon. He might have moved further south but not beyond scrutiny.

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I presume you mean Connolly station @3.12pm. I am glad the Free State retained their historical connections and names.

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5:03pm most of them are MIAs for various reasons:
Transferred abroad like Kirby
C/o Diocesan Office whilst awaiting sentencing
Popped out to Boiler Rooms
AOB

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9:45 There is a cost of living crisis, workers can’t even find affordable rentals in some areas and you even see it reported on media on workers forced to sleep in cars. Add to that all the talk of banning some types of cars for environmental purposes in coming years – Vatican won’t be bothered – they can well afford cars & houses for their clergy even though they will still ask the sheep to pay up.

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I can not get a hold of our parish priest so what can I do? Anytime I call to the house nobody is in and it’s never answered.

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3.25: Maria, why would you be calling so frequently to the priest’s house? I’m sure you are exaggerating..Very few people call to our doors unless they are looking for money..Is that your dilemma?

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The Pope doesn’t practice what he preaches either – when is he travelling to Argentina?? What’s the hold up??

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3:31pm interesting to read that the Judge pointed out that priests should not be treated differently- the problem is that unlike other convicted criminals on the Rare occasions that justice can get priests to that stage, the “machine” of the almighty wealthy & complicit Mafia network has long given them the idea that they are Gods on earth beyond the law of the land & they surround themselves with those experienced in ensuring that they are successful in that mission repeatedly so how can the public that view this consider them trustworthy or even begin to take this seriously after all that has gone on. Arrogance of the highest & most obnoxious order

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4.33: I’m exhausted after that long winded comment. It’s so awful in construction and grammar, you need to return to school. And, wait, I think it’s arrogant of you to tell lies.

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3.25pn
Maria, I swear to God, priests are never in, I live in Birmingham and we never see hare or hound of our fella – a friend and f mine says it’s the same in her parish – there never at home or available when you need them.

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They are the same everywhere; even when you leave voicemails they never get back to you. Ring their emergency phone

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Or message them on Grindr. That’s what we have to do in Armagh. There’s a new Mass booking service tab on the Grindr app.

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4:39pm Go away to hell & leave me alone – I’m not one to look a gift horse in the mouth what with Boiler House doing a roaring trade midweek now since they introduced the multientry pass for €60. Bargain! I’ll tell ya!! 😇

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We’ve been watching episodes of Don Matteo to revive our acquaintance with the rhythms of Italian. Our Italian has improved, but we’ve been enchanted by the possibilities of ministry. Interesting to reflect that RAI can form a better fake priest than can actual seminaries.

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https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-americas/2022/05/chilean-bishop-facing-misconduct-abuse-allegations-leaves-country

Chilean bishop facing misconduct, abuse allegations leaves country
By Inés San Martín
May 15, 2022 Rome Bureau Chief

” ROME – A Chilean bishop has left the country for an unspecified period of “recovery of his physical, psychological and spiritual health,” following reports of accusations of sexual misconduct and abuse of power against personnel of the Archdiocese of Santiago, Chile’s capital city. Bishop Cristián Roncagliolo, who served as the Vicar General of Santiago, disclosed his departure for Spain in a WhatsApp message to priests of the archdiocese.”

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4:03pm. One doubts his victims will get a round the world, all expenses paid trip, hosted by friendly Roman Catholic cover up merchants complicit in the ongoing trafficking of deviant clergy into unsuspecting communities worldwide aided & abetted by their influential professional contacts. Sick.

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Pat like you I cannot make my mind up about Pope Francis to be honest. Did he not arrest you at the Vatican and keep you in the Vatican cells? They must have felt very ackward.

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4:49 how many cells do they have in the Vatican – they cannot be very secure – the world is crawling with convicted clerical sex offenders. For example, wtf is the Galway Beach Wanker??? The public and parents are entitled to know where this School Chaplin is.

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There is a Clogher priest who leaves after Sunday Mass and doesn’t turn up until Tuesday night. Is he also on a train?

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4.51: I leave my parish after last mass on Sunday – 12.30 and head home when ready to my mother until Tuesday morning (incorporating my day off on Monday) to look after her. My 2 sisters and myself take our turn to be with her throughout the week. I make no apology for doing so but crapa***s like you probably don’t have any such responsibilities. Its easier to write lies and speculate for an agenda. How stupid can you be?

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4.36: What’s the relevance of your nosey question? Really, it’s simply a very stupid question. Even if I was from Tyrone, I wouldn’t tell you. I suspect you’d then make up a scenarios of some kind..You people are plonky. As it happens, I live way down south…close to the sea with a beautiful beach where my mother loves to walk a little…

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Very noble. I took my mother to live with me for the last 16 years of her life. Only regret? That I didn’t have 26 or 36 years to care for her.

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Well done Pat. I didn’t have the patience to look after mine and the first time I got the opportunity to put her in a nursing home, I did.

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Is that your defence Clogher Priest? Good story by the way. Do you drive a very posh car. Everybody here notices it.

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6.92: Bet you have Saturday and Sunday and much longer holidays…If you’re a parent, undoubtedly you’ll be busy in a way I wouldn’t be busy. I glint a little begrudgery though..do I? You’re lucky in ways I’m not but I would never begrudge anyone their due entitlements or perks of the job!

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5.41: Yes Pat, our mothers who outlive our fathers are very precious. You fulfilled a wonderful act of love and caring. And I’m certain that had you remained in the presbyterate you began with, you’d have done the same. The critics are just petty and selfish.

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While Treanor lives it up in Paris, If that side kick of his, OHagan rings me once, I will go up to Lisbreen and shove a good foot up his backside.

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The Amish use of horses is not a matter of ‘preference’ and to say as much is to misrepresent them and their way of life.
The same applies to those who will only go to Mass offered in the traditional manner but naturally to a much greater degree.

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There was a young priest from Armagh
Who enjoyed one too many vod-ka
He loved wining and dining,
And the odd bit of Grinding
Among bushes and hedges, yee-haa!

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I could be incorrect over the Clogher priest so forgive me. My Mum- in- law in Tempo says a priest built an awning to hide his expensive car

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There is a Clogher priest posting against a fellow Clogher Priest. Very nasty. How they love one another?

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