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HAS “ITS MY BODY” ANY LIMITS?

Strident pro abortion women often use the catch cry: “It’s my body. I can do what I want with it”.

This may be a legal fact in many jurisdictions.

But it’s not always a MORAL FACT.

CAN I ALWAYS DO WHAT I WANT WITH MY OWN BODY?

The short answer is NO.

It is illegal for me to use my body to murder or assault another person.

It is illegal for me to urinate or defecate in public.

It is illegal for me to masturbate in public as Fr Jerry Carey of Killaloe discovered.

It is illegal for me to be naked in public.

It is illegal for me to put certain drugs in my body.

It is illegal for me to smoke tobacco in certain places.

It is illegal for me to drink alcohol in certain public places.

So, the “principle” that I can do what I want with my body does not stand up to scrutiny.

ABORTION

No one can say that a pregnant should not have a great deal of control over her own body and bodily integrity.  Thats a right that all men and women should have.

But nearly always our rights come with obligations.

And in abortion there is:

The rights of the unborn baby.

The rights of the baby’s father.

And for those of us believe there is the moral question and the question of doing or not doing the Will of God.

The “ITS MY BODY” catch cry does not at all do justice to the very serious and complex abortion debate.

288 replies on “HAS “ITS MY BODY” ANY LIMITS?”

12.17: Alvin, this is very confusing. Don’t think you quite know what you want to say. The “it’s my body, I can do what I like with it” is the catchphrase of a very morally deficient generation. All rights come with attendant responsibilities. The pro choice advocates now use the language of “compassion” to justify abortion, yet they won’t admit to the various cruel, painful and dehumanizing ways by which a baby’s life is ended. A generation of people is wading through a collapse of moral integrity and carelessness re: the right to LIFE of the unborn child, driven by a pluralist ethos where we are conditioned to put our own feelings, needs and rights before all others. Thus philosophy ultimately weakens our moral and Christian fibre.

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Is contraception still a sin to use? Is every sperm sacred? Just asking. I think a discussion on overpopulation is needed, I am not talking about abortion as a way of doing this. The world is full and perhaps it’s time for a controlled decent? Just wondering what others think.

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Yes contraception is still a mortal sin as you are denying a soul the right to life. Billings method is the only method accepted by the RCC. The church turns a blind eye to this in the same way we turn a blind eye to the mortal sin of child sex abuse and the cover ups that occured. The church shouts out loud when it concerns female reproduction as they blame the female eve for causing original sin. It was Adam the male that started the sin when his penis symbolised by the snake became obsessed with eves breast symbolised by the apple.
Justice alitos reason to overthrow roe ruling is due to decline in the domestic supply of infants for adoption. Is he promoting surrogacy ?

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I’ve said it, and it’s true. They said when I and my peers were children we should consider “having” sex outside marriage. Where was the church? Lying about the good liturgy facing the people which they had just abolished.
That was what was important to Rome, and to Arundel under Bowen (ready for Cormac to be wheeled in). Not the morale of the young and the young of subsequent generations. Of course by now all women and girls, and most boys, are going to be quivering wrecks, or manic, or both. The world goes through those phases. But the church usually prayed, in previous ages, and the world steadied up.
Oh no the church doesn’t need to pray. Stop “shooting” those who are left holding the baby and stop “shooting” the growing youth. Teach growing youths responsibility to their fellows. The omission of the church to pray was deliberate and its not admitting it is deliberate. Because the immoral clique want eye witnesses ignored. As soon as Arundel started opening “catholic schools”, mass attendances plummeted.

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More bad news for Ampleforth. One of the few private Christian colleges at Oxford, St Benet’s Hall, which started in 1897 for monks, has suspended taking on new students and its city-centre buildings are expected to be sold, following a decision by Oxford University to withdraw the Hall’s license. The university is unconvinced of the Hall’s financial viability.

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Title: REDRESS
Irelands Institutions & Transitional Justice
6:30pm – Thursday 26th May, 2022
Venue: National Museum of Ireland
Decorative Arts & History, Collins Barracks
Guest Speaker, Catherine Connolly, TD

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7:35am Thank you – is there a list of independent organisations and sources of information and support for victims and survivors please?

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We can’t do as we wish with our bodies without consequence. There are always consequences; some good, some bad.
If I overeat, I grow fat, with all the associated health risks.
If I unguardedly step into the road, I may get run over.
Some of these consequences are more abstract: moral consequences. They exist, too.

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Most of the people commenting today with strong anti abortion views will be men who are totally incapable of getting pregnant or having to make such a horrible decision. I always think of the woman caught in the abortion clinic as similar to the woman caught in adultery. Sometimes women are between a rock and a hard place. Many men do not take their responsibilities seriously when they have children. Many women have no support. The state doesn’t care and now the food banks are running out of food. I am a retired woman and very lucky that I have never had to consider an abortion. I have had a very supportive husband for 48 years. Many of my friends haven’t. As far as I know non of my friends have had abortions…. but if they had…. I would be loathe to condemn them.

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You have hit the nail on the head. I know a young mother with a son diagnosed with aspergers and willl be homeless in july as her landlord is selling up. She says she will havr no more children Her ex partnrr has childten around the country and takes no responsibility for.
Sjannon does not sound real and is stirring the pot or elsr she is real and is crying out for help through this blog. Csn you help her pat without jiudging her.?

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Pat you are judging her. It’s coming across very misogynistic. The girl is speaking sense from a female perspective and you all want to silence her.

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Shannon is totally not real. She’s a clerical troll. After their various other attempts to close down Bishop Buckley they’ve found his weak spot – a tendency to treat any shit they post on his blog as if it’s real. 😂

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@ 8:05

Sinn Fein Senator Paul Gavan appears to have been insinuating that men can carry and give birth to children during a debate in the Seanad Eireann February this year.
Here’s a quote from Paul …; ‘We look forward to working with him (Minister) in order that we can move the legislation forward as a matter of urgency and give women and pregnant people the protection that they deserve, which is already in place in a number of jurisdictions across the world.We need to deliver that as quickly as possible for our people in this State.’
I’d love to hear views on ‘my body my choice any limits’ from pregnant people other than women.

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8.05 WRONG – most of the people on pat’s blog today are women giving their views.
Fact. Believe it or not.

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“Many men do not take their responsibilities seriously when they have c hildren”
This is because the church was up its own behind about liturgical and sacramental non-reforms when we were being told to “have” sex and usurping marriage so that irreligious marriage is thought a greater evil

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Pat you know how to wake people up on a Saturday morning. I’m hungover but this debate has taken off early.

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Fr Jerry Carey should be allowed to masturbate wherever he feels like. It’s a natural thing for a human to do. The law is not always right.

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The Special Clerical Elites & their “Special Needs” are facilitated by their ilk.says:

9:35pm Since when did “illegal” & “illogical” stop the elite clergy & their ilk?? It’s all “who you know” you know!

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?Tony 9.35 from what we read in the papers this priest was actually in his own private car, he was NOT in front of people. Why would anybody peep in a window of a car parked anywhere in public or private property?. God protect all our priests.

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Newcastlewest, Limerick priest who exposed himself to teenage boy in Knock Shrine toilets during Padre Pio Vigil. Any update on his whereabouts please?

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8.51 you really are a pathetic human being –you spend your time on google, wikipedia, and any other site you can find to see if you can root out anything involving religious. If you read it correctly, this case goes back to 2017 and he was an EX-PRIEST but you forgot to mention that didn’t you. I must check the websites and see if I can find out information on people of no importance.

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Philomena: but doesn’t +Pat say that once a priest, always a priest? He may have been “defrocked”, sidelined, expelled from a diocese etc, but as Pat has said here several times, once ordained, he remains a priest. That “ontological ” change cannot be unchanged, or can it?
Mind you the ontological change doesn’t seem to be particularly effective in inducing and maintaining decent behaviour for a too significant number of RCC clerics!
MMM

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3:51pm the catlicks comments confirm the usual – they don’t want anyone mentioning the perverts they continue to shelter & protect. What’s new!

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In addition to 3.51 it would be of concern had he become a museum volunteer or something to do with buses.

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8.51 – Why, are you looking for him, is he a friend of yours. I’m sure you know somebody that would be able to put you in contact with him.

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This is why Paddy McCafferty has upset his congregation so much. He went on about abortion yesterday at the children holy communion, there is a time and place.

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Why is McCaff so obsessed with abortion? He has lost a powerful lot of weight but hes constantly out running with his trainer in the bog meadows.

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8:52 : Probably reflecting so many in society are off the radar, lost the plot and totally bonkers, in more ways than one. Nowadays, daddy wants to be mammy, mammy wants to be daddy, Joe wants to be Jacinta and Linda wants to be Liam. Where are the adults…?

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It is my body. My womb. My uterus. I don’t tell you gay men to stop sleeping around and spreading monkey pox and so on. So mind you own business you all, and give me rights to more abortions in my own country.

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Spot on with that response. There is a lot of bitterness spewing out of Shannon. She needs help and compassion fast.
Pax
Garngad Lad

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It is true. There is a report on the BBC this morning about all the gays now spreading monkey pox and creating health emergencies world wide as a result of their looseness. It’s fact, not a claim that is OTT. OTT would be the behaviour of the majority of homosexual men. I am not lambasting lesbians am I? No because they have morals.

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Just because we don’t agree on opinions does not mean I am anymore a low life than you. Even your friend William Mulvihill supports my right to abortions and has admitted not being in a position to form an opinion on the matter. Maybe you should be as noble as him Pat.

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I agree with Shannon, not on abortion (which I believe to be wrong in all circumstances), but on her claim that gay men are morally loose (in contrast to the moral rectitude of lesbians) and are spreading monkeypox. They are indeed spreading this awful viral infection in Europe through promiscuous sexual misconductl

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Claire if your husband is bisexual then you are in the highest risk group and should be careful letting him near you. I hope you have a strong foundation of marriage.

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You can not blame bisexuals for this pandemic. My husband is bisexual and he is far from sleeping around. You can be bisexual and loyal.

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8.45
Your level of cynicism suggests that you have been badly let down by someone; perhaps by more than one.

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9.20 I do have opinions on the matter and have explained on this Blog the dynamic involved as far as I am concerned.

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9:18am correct, hope the lady who posted about her husband admitting his current relationship with their priest is informed.

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There are wiser locked up than this header. I don’t think you should allow her a platform to contribute so outrageous and negatively.

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I agree love, what is the point in arguing with the likes of Shannon today? We are all black and white over these matters and will never change our opinions.

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I am not black and white on this issue. I see the grey areas. But the aggressiveness of Shannon is disturbing.

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I am not being aggressive. You are mistaking my passion for aggression. I, a single mother who works full time, have been attacked on this blog by you for defending the rights of women with a reproductive system that works.

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Passion is commendable. Using derogatory terms about an illness that has killed millions of people globally is totally unacceptable. It destroys your arguments.

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What was her negativity? That she expressed views you find distasteful? That’s not negativity; it’s the exercise of free speech. And you want it censored?

Careful: there’ll be calls next to censor you.

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I can see Shannon’s point, I just don’t think she is articulate enough with it.
I think we should lay off her as she is probably not as educated as the rest of us.

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I will not be slut shamed on a blog by the likes of you. My sex life is my business. You all have too much to say about other peoples lives. What about the gay men spreading sti and crippling our health service with continued use of antibiotics. They have a cheek to take Prep, when treatment for hiv is so revolutionary and is better managed than diabetes. Yet they take the risk of getting super Gonnorhea which bo anti biotic can treat? How is their behaviour logical?

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I apologise for coming across pompous.
What I mean was, maybe you are from an area in belfast that is not so affluent.
That you feel the need to fight for all you have.
Pick your battles Shannon.
Maybe take your children to the park?

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Pat why are you allowing Gary to ridicule Shannon on your blog like this? Can you moderate the comments better.

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Shannon you have no right to comment on gays taking Prep as straight women were not marginalised during the aids crisis like gay men were. Just like you say men don’t have the right to tell you about your body. You can stop talking about my gay man body.

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How does Shannon determine what or how many kids she gets to keep? She thinks she is bloody god. I resent her as a fellow female.

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You pompous git. Don’t throw that at me. I am educated to a higher level than you. This is not about education and class it is about health. But with health inadequacy, the poorest are always harder effected. I am lucky to be in a financial position to travel to have my abortions. Most women in NI are not.

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If it’s your body and it’s so precious why do you give it to men so readily and easily?

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Shannon should spend more time with the children she has than on this blog, or where are they? What are they doing?

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10.18: Pat, stop giving that slutty Shannon a affirm. She’s a filth bag with her language and is behaving irrationally. She’s a tragic human being and you should stop encouraging her. Thats an abuse to ket her run riit with her aggresdiin and violence. You can stop her.

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9:06 SHANNON, Specsavers sell both reading glasses & hearing aids. Someone on here yesterday told you to “disappear”. I’d consider that regardless of ones beliefs on abortion, it is a very traumatic experience for any individual or couple and rarely taken flippantly. You are very disrespectful to those unfortunate to have ever had to make such a decision. Shameful Shannon you are, Father. Your repetitive manic posts reveal your concerning psychological state & I’d advise you to urgently apply to your Superior who may be your Bishop, Archbishop or Cardinal (depending on your current post level) for immediate leave of absence. Blessings & take care now 😇

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@9:32am

You’re a disgrace boasting about having the money to travel to have your abortions! Perhaps if you kept your legs shut you wouldn’t need to have abortions. Which you will have to pay for, and I don’t mean with money.

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9.46 are you asleep or on something – ah “shameful Shannon you are, Father”. What planet are you on – Jupiter or mars – where does Father, as you say, come in to this. I didn’t know a “Father” can have a termination/abortion. You’re the one who needs to go to Specsavers NOT Shannon Will you disappear off this blog for once and for all – you’re confusing everyone at every opportunity you get. Shannon needs help and you certainly are no help to her with your stupid comment. Goodbye.

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9.06: Shannon. You are a very passive aggressive woman. Your life revolves around one person inly: YOU…It’s all about you, you, you. You represent the worst traits of wildly angry feminist whose faces are always vontortedcwith venom, angst and hatred. If you didn’t sleep around carelessly you’d have no need for an abortion – THE KILLING OF AN UNBORN CHILD. Stay enraged. Stay anti gay and anti men…Karma comes around unexpectedly. Learn manners, respect yourself, speak properly, not like a hooker in boots. Your attitude “my body, my right” creates very selfish people.

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9.06: Shannon dear, stop being so aggressive and macho. You come across as a dangerous one!! No manners, no dignity, not at all feminine and very angry. Be careful you don’t get sick with all that angst. As for your philosophy: the definition of selfishness at its worst. Your self obsession about “my” rights, body and freedom is baloney. THERE IS AN UNBORN CHILD KILLED WITH EVERY ABORTION. A

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The other day a commentor claimed that Jesus’ death and resurrection did away with priesthood. At least, it should have, and one can see why when people like Wilson are going to be ordained.

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THE ORDINATION OF DEACON STEPHEN WILSON IS SUNDAY 26th JUNE 3pm IN THE CATHEDRAL.
KEEP DEACON STEPHEN AND DEACON COLM ON THE SAME DAY.

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So any woman that finds her voice on
Female issues is instantaneously judges as being a lesbian? Talk about misogyny and lesbo-phobic commenters today.

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Roberta no offence but all you ever spout on this blog is about how people are anti lesbians when that just is not true. I have lesbians in my street and they are treated the same as all the other neighbours, they are ignored and we keep ourselves to ourselves.

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10:04 am Gaslighting comment attempting to discredit – abusive and manipulative.

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Fra you don’t understand what it’s like to be a lesbian. I get people mistaking me for a man on a daily basis. It’s just rude.

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10.04
Unhinged? So, you’re a psychiatrist or psychologist and have carried out an evaluation of Shannon’s mental health?
Where did she express a burning hatred of gay men? She expressed about them what is commonly known: that they tend to be more promiscuous than others, and are disproportionately infected with the monkey pox virus, and, in turn, infecting others with it. These are facts; they are not expressions of hatred.

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Consentual procreational intimacy is a body choice. Consentual procreational intimacy should bring procreational responsibilities.
Abortion is a reflection of everything that is wrong with the modern day feminist secularist society. People take no responsibility. The hypocrites will walk from darkness into light for their social media accounts.
The modern day secular feminists will say that they abhor the war in Ukraine and yet they do not respect the life of the unborn child. The unborn child who has life through the body choice that is consentual procreational intimacy.
Pax.

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Abortion is 100% a womens issue and it is theirs alone to decide. Men have absolutely no business in this debate. In fact in any referenda only women aged 14-55 should be allowed vote on it. If women want abortion they should be allowed it, end of story.

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@11.02 am Bishop Pat

Yes that is correct, people seem to forget that a foetus/baby is only ever genetically 50 percent of the mother with the other 50 percent of genetic makeup belonging to the father.

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Todd you speak the highest amount of crap. On that account then most people should not have been allowed to vote because they don’t know what the fuck they are voting for.

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10.01: How utterly ridiculous and how selfish an argument. Do you know how many men are affected by the “right to choose” philosophy? A man generally, with consent, is required to make a baby. Men have rights. But feminists shout so loudly and shut out the man’s perspective and feelings. The abortion industry, as is now happening and growing, is unemotional and unfeeling about the reality of abortion. It is the deliberate destruction of an unborn child. Camaflague the reality in “compassionate” language doesn’t hide the awful reality of abortion: the tearing out or destruction of a human being, innocent and defenceless.

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Todd 10.01 – Get real, you selfish git. Abortion is NOT100% a woman’s issue – what about the man involved. They have as much right to decide in this abortion debate. Of course, men in a lot of cases, don’t find out until its too late and perhaps they may never find out. It’s all hidden by the woman who selfishly decides to take the boat and abort the foetus conceived. Your last sentence says a lot about you madame.

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You have been more than tolerant with Shannon. She needs to show some respect to you and others who disagree with her. She is wound up and needs to have a lie down. She has mentioned her children. They must be embarrassed at her homophobic comments.
Dear Shannon, please calm down. You are leaving yourself wide open for more attacks.
Pax
Garngad Lad

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William good morning. Shannon has been throwing your name about all day on this blog saying that you support her, do you know her?

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It’s true though, bill Mulvihill gets away with murder on this blog. Makes wild accusations about his peers and tries to educate us all on the bible.

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Bishop Pat, you do realize that if you don’t like someone’s comments for any reason there is a very simple step you and nobody else can take to deal with them, don’t you.

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I’m pretty sure he does. It’s his blog and disagree or otherwise, it’s also your right to read, or not. I’m sure he censors quite a bit of bull, if you don’t like it, perhaps go away.

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And there was me thinking the comments started being sensible and interesting today.
What’s the matter with you, Pat?

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Shannon has really brought the blog to its knees today. She has made everyone so angry and nasty. She set the tone and everyone is running with it.

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Shannon is nasty. I would like her to come to my place of work, and see how I am treated as a gay man. If I use the staff toilet nobody else will or they shout “backs against the wall”. I can see her point but I am not promiscuous and do not have risky sex in public places – that is disgusting. All gays are not the same.

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Pat what is wrong with the timing on the blog it’s making it incredibly hard to keep up with comments. Some are appearing so random, are clearly responding to others but because they are appearing before it is making the commentator come across extra mad 😆

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Ryan, in addition to timing, the blog has degenerated into too much “tit for tat” one upmanship, with many arcane “one-liners” making no attempt to either express clearly, or indicate to whom or what they may be responding to. Perhaps it’s the more stupid ones who comment as Anon making it difficult to respond to them. Quite tedious really, so much so that I just scan past many of them.
I also think that +Pat blogging a new subject every day degrades the quality, as does a failure to simply bin the very obvious meaningless crap comments, and to curtail the number of comments from some. Bill Mulvihill for example, had over half of about 90 comments a few weeks ago, many of them arcane one liners adding nothing. He’s one I regularly ignore.
Albeit I usually comment with an ID I now do so as Anon A1, to avoid the usual mud slinging trolls.

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Priests are all cowards; this is why I love your blog Pat. You are not, and offer the best platform for people to be honest and upfront.

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10.59 There are bishops who run their diocese for exactly the same purposes…can’t say whether the gentleman in question is one such….met him only once on bus from terminal to plane at airport in Italy. My travelling companion made an introduction !

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William that would make sense for Noel is never in the country. I have met him once also and I don’t why I expected more from a pig than a grunt, but a grunt is indeed what I was afforded. Was he travelling alone?

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Noel’s handicap in golf is very impressive I would love to know what he is like at squash. I know you played squash Pat; did you and the bishop ever have a game?

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Shannon. Such agression dear. You told someone earlier to come to your door. I would never do that- if for no other reason than I drive an expensive car and don’t want it vandalised. But as a woman with much more life experience than you, I would like to discuss these matters with you. Let’s meet in a neutral venue at a time of your choosing.

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11.38 He is a very cultured man I know….that is a compliment to him…..don’t think he has any company in that regard among the Irish Conference. However he admires Belfast…I am sure he has linen from the Lagan valley to grace his table…..a truely wonderful creation ….Linen, and in the life of any piece of Linen there is a lot to learn!!! Its like the bees and their hives in many ways….another proof for the existence of God….like a Mango!!! I went to a tarot card reader years ago….I was astounded when she told me that I had a passion for white linen…..I still do……an astonishing creation. Yes, a very cultured man….and on that occasion I received a benevolent smile….he inclined his head backwards( upwards maybe) as he made his impressions/perceptions. I phoned him once to ask him to give a talk…..left a message….that was the end of the matter. I got the picture.

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I think you are right. Noel is very cultured. He appreciates his linens and his Nicholson’s wines.

But he was not cut out to be a pastor.

He has religiously avoided meeting me for 14 years now.

He belongs in the realms if diplomacy etc.

But diplomatic do not have to be priests or bishops.

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Beau Brummell also adored his linens, Bp Pat, and changed them up to six times a day. He was an old queen too.

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12.12 the public of all denominations ought to protest if anyone from the Secretariat of State or its alternates is appointed to a see (fake or real).

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11.38 He had been by the Arno…..the heart of the Renaissance!!!!! Lol…Lol As you the singularity of that occasion on the transport bus, no idea.

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12.12 I would not be sure Pat…but The Claret Jug ( your Grandmother if I recall) that featured from your table would give his linen and Nick. wines a goos run ?? Lol Lol Lol I quoted St. Neurotic Paul to a French Cleric who wanted to know why he should help someone with accomodation for a few weeks…I won his assent to the request ( it was for someone I knew) when I quoted ” make hospitality your special care”…….the person lived very well in that hospitality for a good few weeks…..Hospitality; there should be more of it.

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12.20 ” A Scream” They may well do as you say…and as Bishop Buckley pointed out in his contribution today, it is illegal in certain places!!!! But. But. But. Their “handlers” in Rome at the central offices do not get any entertainment at all…..none…..its as useful here as many the Blico from Cabra to the Decastery Desks!!!!! They ought to look south to the sun more often from the desks of your dank island!!!!! Land of Eternal Winter is how Rome still sees ud here!!!!!! Thanks to the bishops.

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I’d say the Pro Life organisation ( very powerful) killed off Noel Trainor for Armagh or Dublin because of his urbane and enlightened advice to the electorate about voting for Maastricht….not as many thought, his comments on Ian Eliott ( a very very good man).

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He has mellowed a lot over the years. Gone are the days when we would have featured on this blog and been summoned to Lisbreen. He is more relaxed. It’s well known he is very relaxed about priests having ‘person of interest’ in their lives, so long as they don’t flaunt it or misbehave.

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Pat I am shocked to read you calling a young single mother a low life. I thought you had huge respect for women and our rights.

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Not allowed to express opinions now. Crisis Lisa you don’t need to be so sensitive, Shannon held her own today.

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Pat 11.36 there are a lot of people on your blog who for some reason do not read a full comment before deciding to show their ignorance and write what they think THEY see….👀

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Excuse me Lisa but being a single mum has nothing to do with her lack of class and shouldn’t be used to justify her antics. I’m a single mum of six kids under 12 and you wouldn’t see me getting on like that. I bring my kids up with morals..

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Rachel I don’t know you love, but I’m proud of you for bringing your children up correctly. We need more sensible mothers like yourself commenting on the good blog.

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Gary – do not tell me what to do with my children.
Nuala – resent me all you want, your opinion is meaningless to me.
Brendy – you make a fair point.
Linzi – it’s my body mind your own business.
Betty – I have an expensive car also I don’t need your charity or opinions.
I have said my peace on that matter. I will not repeat my stance on any matters. Have a nice day.

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People are being so unkind to each other today so a little note of positivity, if you will indulge me Pat. I made wheaten bread today and it was gorgeous. Would people like the recipe? I’d be happy to give it here if bishop pat allows me to? Have a blessed and wonderful day everyone x

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The Buddha taught that if you look at the Lotus flower you understand everything. No Buddha here but I think preparing and baking a loaf of bread in an oven, a fire or in a pan…..you get to understand pretty much what the Lotus flower can teach….leavened or unleavened!!!! Please do post the recipe….

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WB. Do you know the code to transubstantiate it into prime protein too? With the cost of living it would help a few to feed their kids.

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Women are meant to procreate and have as many children as possible according to the scriptures. Of course abortion is abhorrent and wrong.

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Says the priest that tells us all to have these kids we can not look after. Nor afford. I purposefully send my kids round to the church to play on the presbytery grounds to annoy the priest.

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11.11 Anything posted at 11.11 is always decent….it happens quite a bit…..probably the last Synod with any application in Ireland!!! 1111

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12.14: Pat forgets the nasty brat he was when living with others…his whole life has been a turmoil. He stayed nowhere for long periods, except when he departed and was given a long term home from the D and C Diocese…Clonliffe, Waterford, Wales..Belfast….Derry….now Larne. Pat never liked any. lght to shine brighter than his!!! Which of course was a very faded light…😂🤣😃😂😈☻👹👿😬😬….

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This is a very very difficult topic. Personally I am against abortion and support protecting the rights of the unborn child but I feel very uncomfortable telling any woman what to do with their body. However I do strongly believe that wholesale abortion cannot be supported. There are, as you say, some grey areas in this debate, which I struggle with

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@11.48

This is a very very difficult topic. Personally I am against beating people up and support protecting the rights of victims but I feel very uncomfortable telling any violent person what to do with their body. However I do strongly believe that wholesale violence cannot be supported. There are, as you say, some grey areas in this debate, which I struggle with

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I don’t hate priests. I have been in touch for chats with three priests in the last couple of days.

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1.54: Chats with priests of the Roman Catholic Church – the ones who trade information with you and who haven’t the guts to confront their own nemesis…You are not to be trusted Pat. Never. And were I to be on the side of a roadway in great need and saw you coming, I’d scream the devil on you…

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Monkey Pox is real and will be coming to a city near all of use so just be vigilant. It will proportionally have a bigger impact on homosexual men but ultimately we will all be impacted.

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Saturday night for our local priest;
Evening mass ✅
Beer in ✅
Lads round for cigars and poker ✅
Are they all the same?

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When a man lodges his sperm with consent, does he loose all rights to what subsequently happens to that sperm? Or should a father be required to give joint consent to the termination of his child. Bearing in mind that consent to have unprotected sex includes consent to the natural consequences

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What about when there is no consent ? Bishop Pat you flagged up some sexual assaults – priest on priest or deacon – and it disappeared 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️ Was it all just malicious gossip?

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@9.28
Don’t be so rude as to ride rough shod over my comment. Your question is a valid question, but not a valid reply to my comment.

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This is what happens when a religion claims to usurp marriages as an irreligious marriage is thought a greater evil.

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He is biding his time, I really thought Treanor would have gave him
Corpus Christi after the scandal recently. Probably get Rory’s gig when he goes.

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I am a Priest but I am not reaching out. But I am in the depths of depression. I’m struggling financially, I’m lonely and yet all my colleagues seem so happy.
Many afford multiple holidays a year when I can barley get by.
I do try my best by parishioners also, I don’t take time off unless absolutely necessary as I do not think I am well thought off amongst my peers.
I know there are good people that can help and just hope this phase passes by quickly.

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Father, you should start by taking a one week break away. It may be boring for you but the mind needs rest like the body.

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1.50pm This is a fake comment. I dont believe any priest or religious would come on a public blog stating his/her financial problems. Stirring the pot again no doubt.

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1.50: This commenter is a fake. There is no way a priest with intelligence or sense would trot out their personal travails on a public blog. Your comment is designed to elicit nasty and catty comnents against priests who’ll be told to “get a life”. You’ve commented similar fake stuff before. If you’re serious, go to your doctor or find a good therapist.

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1.50: This “Fr.” is not real. Someone is being utterly superfluous, foolish and attempting to garner even more trivial comments. Fr. Hopeless – take a trip to a psychotherapist and desist from your stupid comnentary.

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There is light at the end of the dark tunnel. If there is not. Then just leave and find inner happiness.

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100 years since The Garda were formed in this state. Ceremony at Dublin castle to remember the 89 members who died in the line of duty. I am still of the mind that one of the most important posts blogged here was from The Gardai recently: extending advice to everyone in a caring and informative manner; very decent of them. Very decent. For people can be incredibly stupid( not an insult…but it encapsulates what people sometimes do and put themselves in harms way). To the deceased police/ Gardai of this state: may they enjoy the sight of God. Sincerely posted, Bill Mulvihill

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@2.03 pm
I think you will have to join the queue, William (Bill) has many admirers on this blog.

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1.50pm William – I agree with you, Gardai & Poiice don’t get enough credit for the great work they do – they are treated like dirt, by many. Garda Colm Horkan, Roscommon, R.I.P. and may all the other good Gardai/Police who lost their lives in their line of duty Rest In Peace.

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Bill you never explained why you were so fond of Gabriel Lyons the other day?
Where you former classmates?
Are you still friends?

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4.00 pm I love it…Tallisker my chosen drop…..and ANYTHING Japanese……they have perfected what is not their lineage. Its a bit to expensive for my pocket presently….the Japanese I mean!!

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I think priests should be allowed to retire way before 75. Last week in confession the priest asked me twice for my sins. I’m not saying he is confused, we all get that at the best of times.

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Sure for all they do they should carry on til they drop. Lazy sods the lot of them. You could never trust one to confess to.

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I do not believe the majority of women would avail of abortion services in NI as a contraception method. The women of NI are good people and are great mothers also.

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Reading through all these comments today I don’t know how Shannon finds the time or energy for it. She needs to get a life.

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Why does priesthood attract men who have higher than average sex drives? Why do they want to test themselves to the limit for?

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They are so Randy. The reds are the worst though. Because they have nothing else to focus on they are a bunch of nymphomaniacs.

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3.11 Randy/ Horny is a symptom of good health. Seriously. Only the RCC would kill it off for their hidden devious Ends.

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“Contrary to far-right misinfo, we have no objection in principle to births taking place in the new maternity hospital, as long as this does not interfere with the hospital’s primary remit of terminating pregnancies.”

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The poor babies lost to abortion. Life is so precious and these evil women take I so needlessly. Look at the world and it’s people. Shocking human behaviour everywhere.

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Stella I am with you my lovely, I just can not comprehend it. It’s hard to get my head around you know.

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Pat, hope you have recovered from this mornings heated debate. I was hungover and it was quite fun reading it. Just out having a few glasses of wine now in the sun, hope you are enjoying a trickle yourself, enjoy your evening and keep up the good work.

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The troll who employs the vocative, “Father,” ad nauseam, indeed ad infinitum, used to post here under a pseudonym for some years. Why has he changed his handle? The result is still the same.

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No woman should be having abortion unless their own life is at risk. Anything other is disgusting. If a woman is raped it is her own fault for getting pregnant. Morning after pill is readily available so this is not an excuse.

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I can not believe you have allowed anyone to make a comment like that. You can not blame a woman for being overpowered and raped by a man, and how she subsequently deals with that trauma. Disgusting vile comments

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I find that comment offensive also. Pat can you remove it please? I doubt a woman would ever make that claim.

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I had my heart broke by an ex girlfriend that had an abortion as a means to hurt me. They know how to play the system and that is wrong.

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Pat you should do a thought provoking piece on euthanasia. It will not be long before it is legal in Ireland. I would presume all the pro abortionists would be in favour of this.

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As a religion teacher I previously told students to come here for an alternative perspective and argument. Todays topic is always divisive, thank you for covering it so honestly.

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3.55: Cathal, I’m glad my child isn’t in your religion class. That you refer students to this imbalanced, filthy, semi pornographic and skewed blog for “alternate” opinion is outrageous. It’s not alternate opinion nor is it material for discussion in your class. It’s a poisonous, venomous anti clerical blog with many comments close to, if not actually, incitement to hatred of priests. Surely you should exercise greater discernment about what you recommend for your pupils? If I knew the school, I’d report you for your irresponsibility to pupils.

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5.43: You are right. Cathal must be an atheist, though teaching religion but not Catholic religion. If he is so stuck for resources to instil some knowledge of faith he could usefully research and find more enriching material. Some religion teachers have no faith, sadly. They may as well be vodooists!!!

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Anon@ 5.43 & Martin @ 5:54:
What do you think of the proposition that teaching about religious beliefs should provide pupils with best available information about various belief systems, examine the basis of, and relevant validity of each while taking into account relevant historical, geographical and cultural factors, to lead into pupils understanding the perspectives of their own particular religious belief?
If such an approach was adopted as optimal, would the views expressed in +Pat’s blog be useful as a basis for discussion of the strength of feeling engendered by contrasting religious beliefs?
Please don’t bother to reply if you think that “religion” should only consist of indoctrinating one particular belief system into young children.
MMM

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All the political parties are just taking the populist opinion instead of growing a back bone like the DUP on this issue.

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8.08: MMM: I accept your proposition that pupils should be introduced to the various expressions of faith/religious belief. While most of our schools have a religious ethos, effectively they are secular because the religious education envelops a wide variety of religious traditions, belief systems, cultural rituals etc…Apart from some privately owned Catholic schools, the Religious Education programme is very broad and ecumenical. Though I believe that if a pupil is attending a Catholic school they should at least learn the basics of that faith and its sacred prayers and customs. Sadly, that’s not always the reality. There was a time when we thought we were always going to be only “catholic” but so much has occured in the past 50 years which have brought momentous changes to Irish education. Personally I now believe that a broad curriculum of religious education should be the norm in schools and if parents want a deeper education of Catholic doctrines and teachings for their chikdren, this should happen within the parish community. I think this would go towards challenging those who desire to be truly Catholic. A radical shift is required but I believe this is the next cultural/religious battle: the removal of churches from schools. We have evolved as a society where changes are necessary. If, as a Church, we are reliant on our Catholic schools to produce good Catholics, we’re delusional. It pains me to see that despite the wonderful preparations we do for sacramental moments in the school year that only a minuscule response is given when we invite parents to return the next day with their child to bring them to the community gathered on a Sunday morning for Mass. Last week out of 42 children for 1st communion, only 4 came back on Sunday. Says it all about religious education and about parent’s lack of interest. Pars blog is not a reference point for a child or young person’s education. How could it be with such vicious and nasty rhetoric? Aren’t our children and young people already overexposed to violence, ugliness, bad language, porn, nastiness and bullying?

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Thank you Martin. It’s great to receive such an insightful comprehensive response. Much appreciated.
I very much agree that deeper education of Catholic doctrines, or indeed any particular brand of religious belief, should occur outside mainstream educational facilities, as you say, within the parish community where there is parental/pupil choice available to access or otherwise.
MMM

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For all the attacks that were targeted at Shannon earlier. Scientists are genuinely worried about gay men spreading Monkeypox.

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6.05: Shannon, your reference to Eucharistic miracles is interesting. Somehow you’re not a “real” Shannon in person…a “male” just stirring the pot. But if you are a real person, may I suggest to you, Shannon, that you take yourself to the nearest church and seek a Eucharistic healing miracle for the good of your soul. You need it urgently.

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When will Priests just be allowed to have sex? The debate is so boring now. But yet when we go to meetings it’s all a select few talk about.

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I was thinking of ex stigmatic priest outside of Rome whom the Vatican including JPII as a Pope that time. He must have known it but never went near him nor suspended him for sexually abusing seminarians mostly fr9m usa. The nuns were all flocking around him and protected him in some degree or form.
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It was only when benedict became a Pope when he went on to proceed to defrock that phony stigmatic priest within a month or so of him taking the papal office.
Why didn’t jpiii do something about it? He didn’t do anything on Marciel as well.
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I met him once on a side trip to Rome as I found him quite aloof and very cold. The nuns that he founded were flocking around him as it was some spectacle. Mother therese visited him as well re photos on the church wall. That church was built with monies from USA via seminarians families and outside sources.
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Its bit similar to kirby and silverstream re mystics and money as well. There were some parallels to this.
Him and DMK mystics.
Him and DMK monies.
Its quite telling wheh you go on and look for it re similarities.
It was on the tip of an iceberg re my trip to San vittorino where phony mystic was based there. That was 2005 as rcc had the stranglehold, power, money and politics.
Now more secrets are coming out in steams than 2005 with very little info coming out that time.
FYI : http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/GinoGone

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Pat, you are such a marvellous man,,,,that Paullac is on the way as to a person in the WEESST of Ireland…..onlly kindness matters in the end,mmmmmmspelling deliberate…….Happy Birthday Pat. Bill Mulvihill

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Shannon…you said you are a single mother. That’s very admirable in today’s world, although I’m not surprised you’re single as you say you are passionate about things, I’d say aggressive. No man should have an aggressive woman In their lives.
You say you are in a financial position to afford your abortions. I do hope you are not using this practice as a contraceptive. As +Pat can verify, I am a medical professional and if you are using abortion as a contraceptive you really need to be careful as this can lead to severe hormone imbalances as you age thus making you even more passionate (aggressive).
Everyone is allowed to voice their opinions on this platform that pat buckley provides so there is no reason to jump down anyone’s neck because you disagree with them.
In 30 years of practice I have looked after ladies who have had the *my body* attitude. I can assure you. Every single one of them had regret in what they did to themselves. These ladies got pregnant through rape, drugs, prostitution and others were married with too many kids to cope with. EVERY one of them regretted their abortion

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Well said Doctor. Just like that poor singer Sinead, she used abortion as both a contraceptive and as a way of getting back at her ex-boyfriends, and her head now is like a smashes avocado puree

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Yes and she was still right to have a go at the pope who wasn’t defending boys who had been told to “have” sex and who didn’t spread real belief.

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I actually don’t care anymore…….Niall Ahern and Pat Buckley have something in common …..they have always helped whomever has asked them ( and they have many faults as well)….very rare. I vouch for both.

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7.02: Thank you for such truth, spoken gently but very powerfully. Your message is so relevant to the militant individuals and groups who deliberately refuse to listen to or accept the experiential knowledge you impart and the truth of what you say. Shannon seems to have no morals. It’s all about “her” rights only. She has succumbed to the dogmatism of macho feminism.

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A “notable proportion” of the UK and European cases are in gay and bisexual men, health officials have said.
Three cases in Belgium have also been linked to a large-scale fetish festival in Antwerp, according to organisers. The Darklands Festival warned people who attended four days of parties, starting on May 5, that authorities had linked the event to the country’s three confirmed cases.
“There’s reason to assume that the virus has been brought in by visitors from abroad to the festival after recent cases in other countries,” the festival said on its website.
Darklands is a ticketed event that describes itself as a place where “various tribes in the gay fetish community (leather, rubber, army, skinhead, puppies…) come together to create a unique spectacle of fetish brotherhood”.
Sources have told The Telegraph that an internationally advertised gay party in Spain is also being investigated as the root cause of the global monkeypox cases.
In the UK, a link was first drawn between gay men and monkeypox earlier in the week, with the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) urging men who have sex with men to be alert to any new rashes or lesions on their body, including their genitalia.

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It is our bodies and we can do what we want with it whether people like it or not …
Not like anybody detesting what you should or shouldn’t do with yours , not for gender, maybe sexuality , or are they ?

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Depends who’s limtis we working off of, yours, gods, mine or the red haired Chap down the road with the hair ? You know he’s ma’……

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