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NOVICES DISMISSED AFTER REPORTING RELIGIOUS FORMATOR.

Six novices were dismissed last June from the California novitiate of a small religious order, just weeks after they reported that their novice master touched several of them inappropriately without their consent, and engaged in manipulation and other conduct which caused them “serious harm.”

Their dismissal came after an internal investigation cleared the novice master of wrongdoing. But investigators did not interview any of the novices before rejecting their claims, the Canons Regular of the Immaculate Conception confirmed to The Pillar

An attorney for the community told The Pillar that the men did not specifically request to be interviewed when they reported their allegations, and that such interviews were not necessary to resolve their misconduct claims. 

The former novices say the process was unjust, and that the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, in which the novitiate was located, should have done more to assist them when they alleged misconduct. After questions from The Pillar, the archdiocese said it is open to investigating the men’s allegations.  

The Pillar spoke with five former novices of the Canons Regular of the Immaculate Conception, a religious congregation of priests with fewer than 50 members, and houses in Europe, South America, and California, where the congregation serves two parishes. 

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/novices-dismissed-after-reporting?s=r

PAT SAYS

Here is a Silverstream rerun.

CHRISTY MOORE IN TULLAMORE

Last night a priest friend of mine treated me to a 70 th birthday present of a ticket to a Christy Moore concert in my native Tullamore.

It was a lovely treat but I cannot name my priest friend because his bishop would annihilate him.

Christy’s concert was very critical of the RCC and the audience went wild with affirmation.

Tomorrow, Sunday I move in to Roscrea to meet people concerned about the Cistercian monastery there.

Then on to Carlow to discuss problems in Kildare and Leighlin involving Big Denis.

150 replies on “NOVICES DISMISSED AFTER REPORTING RELIGIOUS FORMATOR.”

Pat you got the blue tickemaster counterfoil on the ticket I see. Fair play. You wouldn’t have got into the concert without that. Christy is a great entertainer. Respect to you for going.

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12:13 Christy will have released his latest song by then
It’s coming home, it’s coming home
They’ve done so much to so many for so long
There’s no going back
It’s coming home
It’s coming home

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The Pat-mobile with the caped crusaders might venture home via the scenic route; the Kingdom, Cork and Ross, Cloyne, Waterford and Lismore, then back up North via Ossory or…. Ferns. Watch out, watch out, Bishop Pats down south!! Oh, No!…I hear them groan.

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” They don’t like it when him from up there comes down here.!” I’m getting the “shudders”,
“do panic, do panic, do panic.!”

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“Mon Dieu!” “Chateauneuf du Pape!” “Au revoir”!
Del Boy and Rodney Trotter have a solution for bishops to bring punters back to church;
a weeping statue, like,”The Miracle of Peckham”-reporters and cameramen from all over the world will cover the story….”Cosmic…!”
“Si danke schon!” “Pot Pourri!” “Bonjour!”

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That article about the novices being dismissed from this monastery is very disturbing. Saw it a few days ago and am disturbed about the situation. I know very little about the Order except what their website and Wikipedia say. The behaviour of the novice master is morally and spiritually beyond acceptance. He ought to have been dismissed instantly and the Superior General should have replaced him immediately, ordering the novice to confinement and penance, listened to the novices after which the novice master be reported to authorities or brought to a canonical trial where he must be dismissed. The novices should get a top class csnon lawyer and civil barrister to state their case of sexual harrassment and attempted sexual misconduct or abuse. These young men must be brought back to the Order or helped find a similar one which suits their spirituality. This type of disgusting errant behaviour, moral, sexual, spiritual and emotional is totally reprehensible and is replicated all too frequently in smaller, ultra right wing groups, as we witnessed at Silverstream. This case represents a total abuse of authority. Shame on the superior and novice master. Shame. We pray that the novices will find a new community. God bless them.

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Really not being funny, but haven’t you been reading the news for the past few decades, I too read the whole article, was also disturbed and disgusted, and reflected that it was just a normal day in religious life. This includes the other members of the congregation not knowing that the novice master was blind drunk every night despite living with him.

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Don't forget the evidence if ye wanna make a case, Oh, don't forget the evidence if ye wanna make a case...!says:

Pat, how was the concert?

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Presumably Christy is putting his money where his mouth is and is donating concert proceeds to charities supporting victims.

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Well deserved,Pat.
You can’t beat a live concert from a great artist.

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Bishop Pat, you do get around and good on you. I would love to see Christy live. I am envious and I know he is anti church and establishment. I remember they took him to court over his lyrics of the nightclub fire tragedy in Dublin.

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That’s a very outdated photo. There is far less than 24 monks in Roscrea now. Last count I got was 7 monks.

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Apart from one, presumably, the other 13 have been… well, let’s just say, harvested.

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8.11
Mount Saint Joseph has 7 Monks with five being priests and 1 Postulant.
It would be amazing if they ever get 24 again.
Soon be a problem if it goes under six with the changes to Religious life.

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I think you’re thinking of the minimum numbers in Cor Orans but that only applies to women’s communities. Since it came out it’s closed Oulton and Colwich Abbeys in England, and Curzon Park will be next.
Meanwhile the disgraced Ealing Abbey remains open….

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Typically sexist Frank that it applies only to women. They should have a minimum number of students in a seminary. That would put Maynooth out of its misery.

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Whilst in Roscrea, I suggest you should make some enquiries about the diocesan priests there as well as the Cistercians.

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Fr Des Hillery remains Vicar General of Killaloe, good friend of Ger Fitzgerald, Jerry Carey, Mick Collins & a few others in that Diocese.

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3:27 apparently based in Scarriff, Diocese of Killaloe before Maynooth transfer. How Gay do you have to be to get kicked out of Gaynooth 🤣🤣🤣 or is it the reverse, we stupid sheep getting confused now. 😏 Collins sounds like a bit of a bouncer!! What else does anyone on here know about this Collins priest apparently with a reputation for throwing people out of places?? Reputed to be a pal of Carey & Fitzgerald, the table top groover & the chip shop lothario! When did these lads ever get time to say Mass?

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The Mick Collins story is that he threw unsuitable candidates out of Maynooth, as was his right and duty as a director of formation. One or more of the expelled take revenge by doing stalker posts on the blog. That’s the story.

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Sad to see how these novices were abused by RCC management for reporting clergy for sexual abuse & harassment. Therefore, it’s no wonder that there is a lack of vocations and that the RCC is building teams of laity from the business and professional classes via its Synod to protect their bank accounts & property portfolios. God certainly has left the building & everyone knows it. Christy Moore and many others figured them out a long time ago. Delighted that you enjoyed his concert, Bishop Pat. These Bishops are disgraceful and dangerous for the way they punish their priests or anyone who isn’t complicit in covering up wrong doing. Enjoy your visits to the various diocese this weekend.

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Bishop Pat, your Roscrea visit will be interesting. I wish you well. The Cistercians in Roscrea continue to be highly dysfunctional. There is lots going on there and things are being covered up. Money being spent with no accountability. The school is in a mess and being mismanaged. Staff in the school are being treated very badly, the ‘management’ do what the monks tell them. The monastery and school are heading to the rocks and it will be a massive blame game when it all comes to an end. At least they bought a little mini bus to move the monks to Waterford.

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Lovely birthday present Pat.
Have a blessed & productive day.
Sent to Fintan & Cleo two nights ago: Fr. Ger Fitzgerald violated Canon law when he allegedly falsified ecclesiastical documents relating to the baptism of my children: THE CRIME OF FALSEHOOD (Cann. 1390 – 1391) 3/ a person who asserts a falsehood in a public ecclesiastical document.
Sent to Fintan & Cleo last night: Fr Ger Fitzgerald violated 5km lockdown restrictions in March 2021 to drive to Doonas in Clonlara where the gards questioned him for trespassing on private property. One of the policeman knew a few priests in Ennis so Ger was let off with no fine, just a warning. He jokes that the “collar” saved him. For every attack or act of subterfuge against me, more evidence will be sent to Fintan and the media will become involved. No fear.

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9:31 the links between priests, guards, doctors and the like have been mentioned on this blog previously. Looks like Killaloe is no different in that aspect of corruption either.

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I wonder if the Garda station in Castleblayney, Co. Monaghan, still has a crucifix on the wall of the public counter area.

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10:14 hopefully it wasn’t used to abuse anyone in a vulnerable state

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10.01 If its in a station as you say, its got a bit of use there, always a few of them wans need exorcism.

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Bishop Pat, Carole is clearly unwell and it’s playing out in real time. Please take her off the blog and encourage her to go to see someone x

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10:17 Carole has this morning clearly “hit your nerves”, Father/Cohort – didn’t anyone ever tell ye “it’s all been done before & the first sign of madness is constantly repeating your well used mantra:
He/she not well
Be grateful (for what, that the abuse wasn’t even worse?!)
One could go on but bottom line is that the institution has to be protected at all costs & ye will slander anyone in order to achieve that to protect your own cronies & interests.

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10:17 Pat’s not going to take me off the blog hun. In fact, he might just do a new blog relating to Ger’s incriminating messages.

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The adventures of the Persistent Castleconnell Lothario continue.
How did he falsify baptism documents? Who would want to that anyway?
What was he doing in Doonas on private property? I know the Turret is accessible to the public. Was he at the big old house?
How is he harrassing you now Carole? Hope all is well with you anyway.

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GF was near the big old house. No comment for now on baptism documents. GF and minions are attacking me on the blog for speaking out. As I said before, when this happens, there will be a reciprocal response on my part in the way of evidence sent to Fintan. I’m keeping very well thank you.

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Carole
Bring it on the Diocese of Killaloe have NO fear over the media.
keep sending your emails to Cleo and Fintan they go to junk as they have your concern you were jilted and yet have a partner and children.
Maybe you should spend more time with your family rather than continue with this vengeful hate.
Under Canon Law Ger has done NOTHING wrong although morally he has so the tribunal may offer him a chaplaincy somewhere.
And it could take years for a canonical trial and therefore up to Ger how long he wishes to stay idle and on the payroll.

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12:14 Don’t believe a word of what you are saying. Your opinion is of no consequence to me. My family is of no concern to you and because you brought them up, there will be another email and screenshots sent to Fintan & to Pat this evening.

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12:14 Thanks a million for giving me the idea to send hard copies of all evidence to Westbourne and Rome. We wouldn’t want any evidence against GF to be lost in the virtual dustbin now would we? You all must be very busy with the press release for the 2022 Diocesan appointments. If you have time, please ask Ger Jones to send the details of the Diocese Solicitor & Accountant to the Ennis Faithful. Best wishes Father.

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12:14 No fear over the media you say?! Are you sure about that Father 🤣? Your fellow priest GF said in a msg to me dated May 24th, 2021, that the Diocese “bent over backwards” for Y. because “they want to keep those texts I sent her out of the national media 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ but surely they must see that she is extorting and blackmailing them”.

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I don’t see the justfication paying soneone €44 for the ticket you displayed singing anti catholic shit.

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The order has subsequently issued a statement denying all allegations and adding that their lawyer advised them that the Novice Master touching up the novices does not constitute abuse.

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Santa Paula California, rings a bell. It’s a bit inland from Ventura, in a nice valley, and a bit of a centre of traditionalist right wing Catholicism. There is a small Catholic college there, St Thomas Aquinas, which is a nice, comfortable, privileged but very right wing and traditionalist set up for rich white kids from those kinds of families, who are imbued with all the Coridileone / Gomez / Burke nonsense that is alive and kicking in parts of the US Catholic Church. Just up the road is the Los Angeles archdiocesan seminary at Camarillo California, St John’s Seminary. They have just had to sell of acres of prime land around the seminary to pay off huge abuse settlements, so that now private houses abut the seminary buildings. A strange place too, full of the usual homoerotic repressed stuff we see in seminaries. So, I’m not surprised that these Canons should set up a noviciate in such a pleasant place, where they can play at the traditionalist stuff outwardly, but inwardly enjoy themselves in the dysfunctional ways we see reported. It will not be the only place where this stuff goes on.

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I know you can only do so much Pat, but an expose on the extraordinary goings on in Down and Connor would be welcome. It’s falling apart at the seems with quite a few priests running their own little fiefdoms . bling has given up even trying to control the diocese. Looks like the Personnel dragon is running the show as far as the non religious staff are concerned

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Please can you tell us what the singer said which was anti the RCC church which sent the crowd clapping in agreement and affirmation?

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I can’t imagine any catholic bishop goes to a live concert with young and old. Moore is very hostile to the Church in his lyrics but he strikes a chord with the public. I am not really a fan of you Pat but my hat’s off to you on the Christy front.

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If you haven’t come across it you might be interested in Stephen Lynch’s song Priest. It could be the theme song for this blog

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10.50 Should be played at the procession into the Sistine Chapel at the conclave for the next pope: more apt than Veni Sancte Spiritus, or the ordination of any RC bishop!!!! Particularly apt for San Diego just now with a red hat for a slippery swine.

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10.43: FFS, there’s nothing magnificently heroic in Pat’s attendance at a Christy Moore show. I attended two concerts before Moore became hostile, horrible and nasty re: Church. That’s his prerogative. But Pat will go anywhere he finds a atform to join the band of haters. It’s his hobby.

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10:43 you regularly see clergy at University Concert Hall Limerick & other venues concerts including at Christy Moore. Don’t imagine, get out there & live your life Father, then come back on blog & tell us all about it 👍🤓

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Those canons have a parish (Daventry) in the diocese of Northampton. I hope there are no strange goings on there.

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Glad you are going to Roscrea Bishop Pat and Carlow this weekend. These places need investigating. If I saw you I would buy you a drink.

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@3:21
😎…that’s what they get for going out on walkabout instead of staying put in cloister…😎

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Michael Harding was wonderful on Brendan O Connor ( RTE Radio 1) this morning re: getting over institutional attachment to the idea of Christianity ( the magnificence of Christianity free of institution …I am paraphrasing). Can be heard on the podcast if interested.

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Anon at 12.27pm
Any chance of a transcript?
Podcast is viewed as anti deaf awareness cos of no transcript.
YouTube, microsoft and Google working on awareness for disability by adding captions via settings, introducing subtitles in videos et al.

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Doesn’t look like there is one. What is RTE playing at. It looks like Harding’s only social media presence is his Twitter @hardingmichael so you could try DMing him on there and asking him for a copy of his notes. Of course you could also ask RTE for a transcript, but you really shouldn’t have to.
Nothing will change if the chattering classes are left undisturbed.

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DG I agree with you re transcripts for podcasts. They are far too time consuming to listen to. It takes much less time to read a transcript than to listen to a podcast. Andrew Neill helpfully provides one with his.

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it shows the level some Priests would go against their Bishop and NO Bishop would annihilate anyone over a concert ticket.
How does this priest not leave the diocese and form an Oratory for Pat as pat has no branches and at least the Latin mass brigade have branches.
you know why the priest will not form an oratory because of the salary and the benefits for being a diocesan Priest.
Why has the Oratory Larne not expanded is there NO one who wants to step out in FAITH under Bishop pat’s Leadership.

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People need practical support and financial support to make such a move and step out. Good advice and shite talk is not enough. Perhaps Brother Pat needs to affiliate with an appropriate faith origination. One person bands rarely outlive the master

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Happy Birthday & good man Christy. I have no idea why anyone would want to join a religious outfit in the current climate. The big evangelists are taking over but need to be accountable. All that seems to work is the Emmaus model Walk with each person one at a time in the name of the Lord

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On this Trinity Sunday, let us again congratulate Archbishop Arthur Roche on his being raised a Cardinal. This is indeed a great honour to the Church in England and Wales – he is one of our own. I know that many in the Leeds Diocese are expressing gratitude. The same is expressed beyond that Diocese.

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This former figure skater bankrupted his diocese by 2012 and gave ‘Sir’ Jimmy Saville a funeral with full pontifical honours despite how clearly creepy and evil he was his ‘dirty old man’ persona had become. Yet for the English, or at least the BBC, Jimmy was apparently celeb of celebs. I never watched ‘Jim ‘ll Fix It’ and I normally watched most things on the Beeb. Small children have a sixth sense for paedos. Arthur Roche and associations likely recommended him to Pope Francis given his friends like Barros, Zanchetta and the will forger and perv Maradiaga et al ad infinitum. Francis loves his perv bishops and has largely reversed Pope Emeritus Benedict’s efforts to ‘clear out the filth,’ which had become prevalent by the late JP2 era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzrgnL54TYM
He is also deeply ignorant, and was wholly unaware of the Heenan Indult for England and Wales which then CDW boss +Annibale Bugnini, who also headed the effort to create the New Order of Mass, wished to be universal. Sacrosanctum Concilium on the face of it mandated Latin and Gregorian chant, only suggesting limited changes for pastoral reasons, like newly erected altars moved forward, but those exceptions became the pretext for the New Order of Mass, and worst of all, the mass wreckovation of churches built with the pennies of the poor. Yet Arthur claims Traditionis Custodis is mandated by V2, which is codswallop. Fruity old men in shapeless robes making it up is a big reason for the present situation (obviously bishops covering up rape of boys plays a bigger role).
Anyhow +Arthur won’t be a Cardinal until the Consistory on 24th August. If Francis dies, Arthur’ll be shortly another failed bureaucrat like the increasingly insane Viganò. Roche and Viganò could have a pay per view boxing match in the style of Youtuber Jake Paul.

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@2.31pm I trust you mean those who are not celibate? There should be no questions about priests who are homosexual. Many fine priests are homosexual. I suspect some prejudice on your part. If not, I apologise. If, after searching your mind, however, you find prejudice, I can only urge you to reform your ideas. Such notions are a disgrace.

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I saw a priest out this afternoon with a local gay man and they looked very tense and serious, maybe it’s his nephew

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I love Christy Moore and his anti church music, I hate the RCC so much and I’m glad you expose all the corruption

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Will you please send you investigation team to Shipquay Street in Derry to witness the scores of priests who stay here with their girlfriends and boyfriends

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When Eugene O’Neill is away, Tony runs riot in St Patrick’s and completely ruins the parish, I dread to see when he ever gets a Pp role.

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Bishop Buckley I will be in receipt of evidence of a priests sexual activities on Grindr and will send them to you so we can expose him together.

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2.59: You are a raving fantasist. A liar but unable to realise so. Did you enjoy your hourly piece of cake? Get a grip, gombeen.

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Absolutely fucking sick of parishioners attitude. No matter what we do it’s never good enough. If only I could get out of this hell job I would run a mile from it.

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3.13: You posted before. You’re fake. Pat should not print these fictional comments, designed to caricature and evoke poisonous responses. You are a fake. Stay in whatever hell hole you’ve constructed for yourself.

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3:13 your attitude stinks Father, it can be smelt a mile down the street, that’s why few go in your church. You could leave any day, you wouldn’t be missed but you won’t give up all your perks. Just as bad as chipper & beach Wanker priests who will milk canon law system to remain on payroll although they’ve clearly broken their terms of church office & potentially external civil and/or criminal law also.

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9.34: You are right about “Father Crappy” at 3.31. Somehow I don’t think such Crappy exists in reality….If he does, he requires professional help because people like him are bad for your well being and health.

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It ceased to be church property in 1965. It was never a palace. A lot of Bishops in the UK live over the shop. E.g Westminster. Lots of people confuse Buckingham Palace (HM the Queen) and Lambeth Palace (Archbishop of Canterbury, Anglican) with Westminster and Southwark.

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3.16 That woman in Canada might help you Pat, Nulty tried to crush her when he was in Drogheda. She has the score on that Bollox.

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5.31 Sweeney, Coll and the rest of them would stand quietly behind her. Lol…lol

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I remember in my novitiate days if we needed anything, shaving cream for example, we’d have to go to our novice master’s room, go prostrate on the floor and say: “Most Reverend Father Superior, I am a poor man, I need X Y and Z” and hope to be granted it.

What in the name of all that is holy were we thinking?

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Pat, in your traipsing around the various towns of Ireland, can you tell us if you are bringing your muscle guardsmen to protect you, as you did before? Will you have a camera or binoculars? Who has authorised you to interfere in the affairs of another organisation and moreso when you depend on gossip, rumour and hearsay? Maybe you might think about a retreat somewhere along your Camino and allow God to find you again. Now that would make your traipsing worthwhile!

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9.44: Is that you Billeen? I think bullying busybodies are nasty individuals. They rarely have moral or spiritual ntegrity. They deceive easily and in truth are charlatan themselves.

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7:07 Organization. What do you mean, organization? What organization do you represent? Since when was the Catholic Church an organization…or…are you getting confused with a company you work for, or what? Why not take your own advice re retreat ,like a good man.

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Bishop Buckley, as you are on Camino will you kindly traipse through my neck of the woods in Ferns where you will also find growing plenty of thistles and weeds.

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5.23: When i was an aspirant and subsequently a novice for a teaching order in the early 70’s, I never experienced anything like that. The only thing I disliked was the Sunday morning public “confesssing” of failures in front of everyone but thankfully it faded out. We did not have to grovel for anything in any way. After first vows I decided against teaching and joined the priedthood. My years with the religious order were very good years, way back in the early 70’s. The 5 brothers who looked after us were very wise, kind, sensible and caring and excellent teachers, particularly an elderly returned missionary brother who taught Latin and English and helped me get top grades in the Leaving Cert!! Thank you Br. Lawrence and Brs. Gerard, Pat, Canice and Michael…all now deceased.

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There’ll be some session between and amongst the young clergy in Armagh in two weeks time. The gay cruise starts on the Coalisland Canal and will navigate the inland waterways to Dublin. All Grindr Rev Frs will be present; stopping in Dungannon, Cookstown and various pick-up points for desk priests. Giddy up.

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Hi Bishop Pat. Michael Harding ex priest was mentioned in blog today. Maybe you should speak to other current Fr. Michael Harding co pp of Roscrea..maybe get in last orders in a hostelry in Roscrea… he has many a tale you might be interested in.

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You should come to Ennis Pat, a nice warm welcome for you, from the people mentioned in the 8 page letter that you have in your possession

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Not a kilt to be seen in Dublin this evening. All gone home to Scotland. A good Protestant country, no puritan ever wore anything beneath.

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