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KILLALOE ACCUSED OF DECEIVING LAITY OVER THE ROLE OF DEACON.

FROM THE TABLET

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/15444/killaloe-accused-of-deceiving-laity-over-role-of-deacon

“We are left wondering if in reality the permanent diaconate is being introduced by stealth,” said one parishioner.

Members of the laity have accused the Diocese of Killaloe of a “breach of trust” over the ministry of permanent deacons which remains on hold in the west of Ireland diocese.

Plans to train laymen for the ministry were paused in 2014 by the then Bishop of Killaloe, Kieran O’Reilly, following protests by a group known as the Women of Killaloe.

They argued that the role of the permanent deacon is unnecessary as most of its functions can be carried out by a layperson. They also believe that if it is introduced, it should be open to women and men, as it was in the early Church.

Bishop Fintan Monahan succeeded O’Reilly, now Archbishop of Cashel and Emly, in 2016.

However, despite the pause on recruiting permanent deacons in Killaloe, it subsequently emerged that one man from the diocese had already begun training for the diaconate before the reintroduction of the ministry was halted.

The Tablet has learned that a number of lay people in Killaloe are now concerned that this permanent deacon, who was ordained for the Diocese of Cloyne, is ministering publicly in Killaloe, including at liturgies in the cathedral in Ennis, undermining the agreement reached between the diocese and its people.

PAT SAYS

The offices of Deacon and Deaconess are as old as Christianity.

The three Holy Orders are deacon priest and bishop.

What is all this fuss about in Killaloe?

The previous bishop seems to have halted the ordination to the permanent diaconate as the result of protestations by Women of Killaloe?

Who are Women of Killaloe?

Are they a group of women seeking woman’s ordination?

How does stopping male permanent deacons help their cause?

I am in favour of women’s ordination.

I ordained a woman to the priesthood 24 years ago – Mother Frances.

1998

Now in her 90s she is still on ministry

With the disappearance of priests the RCC needs more deacons.

Surely the Women of Killaloe should be campaigning for women’s ordination?

In 2016 Francis convened a study of the role of Deaconess.

It does not seem to have reported yet.

There will be women priests and deacons in the future – alongside married priests.

Maybe even eventually openly gay married priests.

177 replies on “KILLALOE ACCUSED OF DECEIVING LAITY OVER THE ROLE OF DEACON.”

Pat, why don’t you establish a ministry role for women deacons? Surely it would attract interest…What is your rationale?

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The deacon in question is Rev. Leonard Cleary. He is a deacon of Cloyne diocese not Killaloe since as you correctly pointed out women’s groups objected to male only deacons. I’m sure he like other clergy appear at funerals, weddings and ordinations etc and officiated as a deacon… a more interesting fact about Rev. Leonard id say is that he is very high up in Clare County Council. He is a director of service a rank just below county manager.. interesting concept in the separation of church and state?.. regarding the women’s group in question might be worth asking the notoriously Revs Casey brother gang in wild West Clare…

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All the Roman church cares about is money and property – God is just a front, they treat the vulnerable like shit, target them & exploit their weaknesses for the profit of themselves & their cronies. Handy that Cleary is on Clare County Council senior management- interesting too that Ennis Bingo Hall & Community Centre in the middle of our town & that served dinners to poor of Ennis for years etc has been sold to Clare County Council – prime central location – will it be used for the ordinary people – what are the plans for it? Scamming the poor & the vulnerable as usual whilst they live in luxury at their expense.

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@ 8:10
Very interesting.
Maybe before too long our Taoiseach will be a permanent Deacon or a permanent female Deacon. Pope Patricia I… might be…on the way…!!

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Come from a long line of west Clare grabbers & schemers – very influential – use the “power of the people” to remain in their turf cots. You won’t find them or any of their clerical & lay cohort out campaigning for the homeless.

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Why was the Fr Caseys pal, Tom Fitzpatrick transferred to Jerry Carey’s old parish, why wasn’t Michael Collins sent there instead?

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1.07: Your comment begs the question – what are you doing for the HOMELESS or for anyine in need? Tell us…otherwise, shut up.

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“I am in favour of women’s ordination.”
Me too.
“Surely the Women of Killaloe should be campaigning for women’s ordination?”
Agreed.
Mary Magdalene’s prominence in the gospels cannot be ignored. Mary Magdalene was wronged for centuries. A wrong that has partially been put right. Women must be ordained without delay.
Pax.

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And they can’t really dictate that a deacon incardinated in another diocese can’t minister in that diocese. What utter foolishness.
Wimmin of Killaloe would be better realizing that the church of Rome is all about oppressing women and gays, while the clergy are at it like rabbits.
Also I don’t know the place but moving house sounds like a plan.

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I won’t be long until the law of various countries will make it illegal for the Church to discriminate on grounds of gender, sexuality, lifestyle, in fact on any ground, for those who come forward for ordination. It is only a matter of time. And so it should be. The nonsense of mandatory celibacy, male only priesthood has had its day, and any right thinking and sensible Catholic can see that. The mood music in various countries is moving in this direction, and in places like Germany bishops are openly talking about these changes. Yes, we must expect a backlash by those who prefer to stay in their comfortable and unsustainable certainties, which usually means that they are full of fear rather than certainty, but not allow them to dominate the argument. They have had it their way for too long, and look where that has got us – a hollowed out Church, a distrusted Church, a Church that can’t be trusted to do the right thing to those who are vulnerable, a Church that looks out for its own backside in any circumstance, a Church that lies and covers up, a Church led by bishops and priests who have been shown to be inclined to grievous criminality. What more reasons do you want ?

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9:54 daily informal discrimination, targeting of vulnerable for personal gratification & gain and other anti social behaviour by clergy and their laity needs to be urgently addressed. We have cases of church confidence tricksters currying favour into assets of vulnerable & elderly to get mentions in Wills, use of social media & other means to infiltrate & identify personal vulnerability for the purposes of targeting for sexual & monetary gain as in matter of Fr Ger Fitzgerald and the Killaloe women he approached in his capacity as a serving clergyman in The Diocese of Killaloe & under false pretences of homeless charity fundraising etc. The Roman Church management seems very cosy with international property gurus and even planning authorities here in Ireland all convenient contacts for them in the maximisation of its extensive property disposals around the world but it has outstanding debts to victims & survivors many of whom have died waiting for redress.

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10.09am: You should stop reading the Da Vinci Code. What a fantastical over active imagination!! A narrative of total lies. Do you live on mars?

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They should rename the group to “Marginalised Women of Killaloe”. I hope that more women will start commenting on this predominantly male blog. I will make it a mission to find articles for Pat to blog about; not that he needs my help, he does a fine job on his own, but I consider it a Mitzvah. Shabbat Shalom.

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Can the Bishop of Killaloe ordain women deacons? Even if he could, I don’t think its going to happen until sanctioned by Rome. In the meantime, the ‘Women Of Killaloe’ might consider organizing to lobby their clergy for justice on matters such as CSA, rape of women religious in The Church, abuse of vulnerable adults, social justice in their local community; there’s a plethora of Church related issues of concern.Is there some other agenda at play? Shalom.

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You raise some valid points. It would be nice to hear from a member of their group on this blog.

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@11:50 am
Carole, what about creating a Women’s Network to challenge ‘the powers that be’ on such issues in the mid-western region? You have experience to inform you. You can’t beat experience.

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1:03 Food for thought. Thank you.

1:48 I sense your comment was meant in a vindictive way. I seem to recall that the one who has all the “experience” the is the one who used, and perhaps still is using (?), women parishioners for as much as he can get: “Well I have it here beside my bed..so you can look at it while your doin me and sitting on my face…”.
I think that he might even be deemed a heretic by some: “I have no intention of walking hills in the piddling rain…there’s more chance of me turning Catholic.”

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+Kieran O’Reilly cannot ordain women deacons, and was foolish to virtue signal to some parish council boomers. Pope Francis is in doubt, and the answer so far from those who studied the matter is negative. +Pat should know a deaconess meant meant who assisted with such things as assisting women candidates with the older custom of full immersion baptism. No sound evidence exists of ordained women deacons. None. Zip. Zero. Zilch.
Yet as @10:43 says there’s such an array of issues, sexual abuse of children and young males and females entering into the religious life. Worry about offices is less an issue compared to that. The issue is not, to my mind, that a priest or monk is in any way dangerous, but the rare predator could duck and dive his way to a depraved safety. Fr Andersen suffers immensely for his whistleblowing of whoopsie Kirby. One Youtuber wondered if Mr Ted McCarrick was behind a lot of bad appointments recently. Social justice, not a weapon for hypocrites like fancy car loving Fr Sean Healy to call for more taxes, but as a way of giving unconditional help, quietly.

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9:36pm
Spot on,thank you.
(P.S: Not necessarily quietly.)

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Didn’t Pope Francis set up a commission to look at Deaconesses – a ruse, I’m sure. privately no political will and deeply entrenched clerical resistance to this sensible idea.
The clerical view is allowing the ordination of Deaconess a step on the way to ordaining priests.
What I don’t get is that St Peter wasn’t a priest or St Paul or St Francis – St Francis was a layman, he might have been a Deacon but I doubt it.
Lay people by virtue of baptism could and should baptise, conduct weddings and funerals. anoint the sick.
As for the other sacraments I get bishops ordaining but honestly I think the allocating confession to the most immature member of the community (emotionally, sexually and financially) is insane and a recipe for abuse.
The Eucharist is a wide open debate – what did the early Church do?
All of the above though is a pipe dream – a homosexual clerical caste would rather burn in hell than change the trappings and benefits of clericalism,

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Only active gay priests will make it to ordination given the demographic within the RCC seminaries. As we’ve seen Those who resist advances when in training are subjected to all manner of spiteful retribution, character assassinations & a long & sometimes fruitless fight for compensation & rehabilitation. The new laity are from the influential and professional classes.

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How come the new laity are from the influential and professional classes?
Surely those accepted as deacons display signs of a vocation to the diaconate
following a process of discernment.

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10.46 her children don’t go to mass too often but her grandchildren are confirmed all right. Sure it’s a grand day out even if the Bishops can’t be arsed to tear themselves away from wining & dining to administer the Sacraments & are rewarded with promotion for their arrogance as in case of Kieran O’Reilly. No wonder their clerical & lay foot soldiers are so greedy & self entitled, rotten to the core from the top down.

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Why do priests go through the charade of the big day out confirmations, in the full knowledge that it means nothing to the parents and they won’t see the children at church again, except for weddings and funerals.

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In the new Mass deacons have no function. What was the purpose of having two deacons at the priest’s ordination, and what purpose did the serve except ornamenting the sanctuary with a bit of bling and being wingmen for Amy in the photos?

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The function becomes obvious when you think of them as being attendants in a royal court rather than ministers of religion. The church is inspired by the mediaeval city state and the Roman rite is the shortened liturgy of its diplomatic corps.

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The bishop was useless, weak and a coward. He should have stood up to those aul dolls and told them that they didn’t decide who was and who was not ordained.

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Women would ruin parishes. They are too emotional. Lesbians with short hair and tattoos standing at the altar preaching about God. I don’t think that is a good idea.

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If they bring in lady priests that will make a lot of long-serving parish secretaries and housekeepers redundant as the lady priests will run the parish office and the presbytery kitchen and the secretaries and housekeepers will be surplus to requirements and there would be rows.

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Fathers you’ve given away your inner motivation in the palpable fear of women and internalized homophobia in these comments.

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12:05 Because obviously there are no rows now. You can rely on a cathbot for a really really stupid comment. 😂

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2:20 Ger is that you again? After all, two of your friends did say that you had a crush on the Parish secretary.

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2.20 your parish secretary can’t be as bad as our Neighbour the local Sacristan, her & husband 2 nosey & interfering see you next Tuesdays.

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It’s already scrapped for the majority of us. Noel Treanor turns a blind eye. For a man that never held a Pp post how can he advise us on how to run our parishes?

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Unfortunately a great many bishops have never served in parishes before being made bishop.

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7.03: Carole, what a tyrant if a woman you are! You debase womanhood. You’d be unbearable in any capacity within a parish. Real women would be terrorised by you. You’d be the cause of many lawsuits. I know. You are a distasteful person.

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7:46 You make no reference to the vile comment directed at me earlier today on this blog. The rules are now tit for tat. Am I such a threat to the RCC that you have to resort to name calling? I warned you once and I’ll say it again. The more you attack/bully me on this blog, the worse it will be for Ger, Fintan and the rest of you. All messages that I have cited on this blog in retaliation for attacks on me can be produced in a court of law. I don’t play by the RCC’s rules anymore.

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They should just start ordaining robots with artificial intelligence. Sure they have feelings just like us. Our lives are already controlled by robots, traffic lights etc. The other day a bloody robot asked me to prove I was not a robot online by picking out images of buses! The world has gone mad!

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They already ordain robots, just with no intelligence. That’s why they waste so many years mincing around seminary, to make sure they act as programmed.

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11.42am. I’ll play along and pretend that you have been in a seminary. Did they throw you out because of your illiteracy?

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You can. At least one Lutheran church in the US ordains trans people. However if you hate yourself enough to hang out with a church which hates gays and trans people, you’ve made your decision not to be.

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12.15: The free church at the Larne Oratory is open and welcoming to all genders and orientations. Ask Pat if he’d ordain trans or non binary person’s? Would be interesting to know Pat’s answer. I’d say he wouldn’t ordain such..Absolutely not.

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There’s no evidence God even exists, so have faith that it is coming to an end please 🙏🏽

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1.09
There’s lots of evidence the Rock of Gibralter exists but how does that fact affect your life?
It’s not about proof. It’s about commitment.

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Happy to be an infidel. infidel, that is, just having no faith, I do not have to prove anything. I have no faith in the Loch Ness Monster, but do not go about trying to prove that it does not exist, although there are certainly overwhelming arguments that it does not.

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God is declared by the goodness and beauty of all that is, by the indefectibility of truth and justice, and by his incarnate presence in Jesus Christ.

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4:24pm
Infidel or no infidel, oh, yes you do. If you are making definitive assertions produce the evidence.

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12:22 Makes a statement, then, when challenged for evidence, asks counter questions to avoid answering the question for evidence. Not all comment makers are RCC. Where’s the evidence for your claim ‘the end of the church is near there will soon be no religion’.

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The forthcoming census breakdown of religious affiliation, or absence of, will prove interesting for N. Ireland. My guesstimate is that it will show decreased affiliation to the standard usual designations and an increase of “other”, or “No religion.” In that sense “the church” meaning the RCC is surely on the way out in the western world as active participation declines.
In ‘third world’ countries, proselytising activities by mainstream Western religious bodies may well maintain and increase participation largely I think, through their association with education and status.
However if one thinks of religion purely in terms of belief in some extra terrestrial power and an afterlife, I think this will remain indefinitely: it is readily embedded in the human psyche for many and propogated by cultural practices.
MMM

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Out of respect for you MMM, I will just mention another variable which normal I wouldn’t because the catlicks love to deflect to anyone else. Currently there are several HUGE meltdowns of prominent Protestant bodies going on: Hillsong is mired in crime and the Southern Baptist Convention is experiencing what has been described as an ‘apocalypse’ over covered up abuse and deceit by leadership. Hillsong’s attendance has gone into free fall but the picture is more complex in the SBC. Recently on here the freefall in numbers of Catholics in Chile was mentioned.
I think the future of the religious world is far from set in stone (lol), I think there are going to be ongoing scandals for decades to come and the outcome of all this is literally going to be anyone’s guess.
Both Hillsong and SBC are international so the long term effects are likely to be wide ranging.
I am seeing a number of Christians who are basically unattached to any denomination, so it may even be that church looks very different in the decades to come, and denominations will have to deal with a lack of loyalty.
Significantly at their convention the Southern Baptists have voted out the leadership whose response was strikingly similar to the RC abuse minimizers, and also voted to have a register of credibly accused clergy.
Oh the things that happen when the people have a vote!

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What do you mean, extra terrestrial power? ET.
Socbots are obsessed with statistics, such as number of caseloads, files, finance, days holidays,etc. N. Ireland is not the centre of the Universe in the context of religious beliefs.
It is not a numbers game.

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Thank you @ 7.00 for that info. Indeed religious practices everywhere have fallen with increasing worldwide sharing of information about the failures of clerics of all denominations to live up to standards they proclaim as necessary for “salvation.” People now see through the charade.
This development, relatively recent in terms of evolution, is part of that human evolvement which I’ve referred to in another comment @ 6.38 below.
It has been said that religion is the greatest ever “con-job.”
It’s increasingly difficult to argue convincingly against that.
MMM

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8:43
And, here we go again, the misapplication of Darwin’s Theory of Evolution. Please differentiate between theory, practice and practitioners. Do we reject medical theory and practice due to corrupt practitioners aka the medical mafia? Same analogy can equally be applied to Socbots.

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8.43
You’d like to think so. The fact is 95% of people on the planet are affiliatex to a religious grouping.

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8.43
You’d like to think so. The fact is 95% of people on the planet are affiliatex to a religious grouping.

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Anon 8.40.
You may well be too stupid to understand so it’s hardly worth trying to explain.
It’s hard to explain colour to one born blind.

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9:33
Sammy, Sammy, Sammy, can you not do any better than an ad hominem assault?
Out of interest; what’s your IQ, Sammy?

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9.04 Anon: Darwin’s theory of evolution is widely accepted worldwide by all the significant scientific community as the best analytical explanation for how our world’s living organisms evolved and developed. Can you provide any more comprehensive explanation? I’m willing to listen.
MMM

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MMM, respectfully, Darwin’s Theory of natural selection shocked traditionalists in the 19th century simply because it permitted people to question their beliefs, assumptions, previously held notions, etc, about the origins of the universe, humankind, and all other species. It was an important paradigm shift in biological science which acted as a catalyst leading to revolutions of thought, questioning, furtherance of theory, etc, in other academic disciplines. Can I recommend Thomas Kuhns ‘The Structure of Scientific Revolutions’. Theory remains theory no matter how many ‘authority figures’ ‘believe’ theory to be fact.With respect, can I suggest,please try to broaden your purview. Shalom.
Watch the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHXXacBAm2A

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12.02. I watched your YouTube link, ….again, for I’ve seen it before. It’s most, …..unconvincing…..for anything really.
“Darwinism” doesn’t “answer ” everything. But it provides best information. Certainly the “answers” of religion are so preposterous as to be laughable.
But maybe you have better “answers.”
I’m still waiting.
MMM

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3:14
It’s not my YT video. It featured your hero, Richard Dawkins, discussing, ‘fine tuning’.
Did you read, ‘The Language of God’? The video is most unconvincing of what? What answers are you seeking? Darwinism is a theory. You claim it ‘provides best information,’ for what? The ‘answer’ of Christianity can be summed up in one word, ‘LOGOS’.

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@: 6:35.
I asked for answers, not a further series of deflectionary questions.
That response is just typical of those wedded to their beliefs, with little capacity to consider alternative perspectives. 😜

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We bet Killaloe wishing Fitzgerald told the truth years ago about Gaynooth, they wouldn’t have found it hard to find a different but legitimate excuse back then not to ordain him, it would have saved everyone concerned a lot of unnecessary bother today. Pax

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12:23 How a seminarian behaves in the seminary is an accurate predictor of how he’ll behave as a priest. Ger had girlfriends in Maynooth and the formators knew that, but ordained him anyway.

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@2:00 Ger explains in an article that he wrote that the four facets of priest formation are as outlined by JP2 in Pastores Dabo Vobis: spiritual, pastoral, academic and human. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure out where he fouled up. “Human formation is just getting on with the lads and not shutting yourself off. It means growing as a human being, using the skills you have to become a better person, better able to live with people, come to grips with celibacy, and better able to deal with people whom you will meet every day. Human formation is your own personal growth and maturing over the years…We have good social life and opportunities, we mix well with the lay students, and behind all the serious study, prayer and formation, we do also have a lot of fun and form friendships that will endure for life.”

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1.09 You are correct in your assertion as the human mind can ascertain at this point in our development. With the same logic, there is no evidence God does not exist insofar as the human mind can ascertain at this point in history. I watched Gifted Hands the Ben Carson Story on Netflix recently. Its a refreshing take on a genius of a man, the brain and his prayer life. Great story.

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I watched the Ben Caron story too. I think he would have been a far greater president than what came at the time. 👏 any person that thought Trump was great, including an almost ex priest that thinks otherwise, is surely a fool.

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OMG the way clergy bitch and moan and gossip about Deacons in Birmingham is hilarious – priests loathe Deacons and always pull rank – mind you the quality of Deacons is deplorable- jumped up little Hitlers to a man.
It’s a joke – in Birmingham one Deacon was known as the Village Gossip.
One got jailed for swindling an old boy.
One was made the Treaurer and by God did that go to his head – drunk on power so she was

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What always strikes me about the comments here is how narrow the horizons of the commenters are. It’s always about this parish or that diocese, places and concerns the size of pocket handkerchiefs. I would put money on most of the commenters here never having had a conversation with a lesbian or trans person, where they were listening and not laying down the law.

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Also missing on this blog is a vivid sense of the divine reality at work in our world and our lives. Our ancestors had a keen sense of this, which made them noble and upright people.

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4:50 is an interesting example of church speak.
Translated into English it actually comes out quite long:
‘ You won’t get the full picture from this blog which only focuses on certain things. What is missing is the church’s authorized perspective which is also identified with a sense of the divine. You can therefore assume that you find the divine in the church’s perspective but not on this blog. This divine perspective, which is only found being verbalised by the church, is equated with nobility and moral uprightness, neither of which you will find here’.
It’s an interesting way of having a pop at this blog and its owner, while implying ownership and control over the divine and suggesting that no view expressed on this blog can be divinely inspired or even used by God to inspire people into good works or reveal truth to them.
Luckily the answer to this is simple: Bollocks.

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4.50 A beautiful piece of music. Not sure our ancestors were that much different, enough manuscripts around to indicate that nobility and uprightness has always eluded this island. Saints and Scholars was a ruse after a very particular time in our history, the RCC used it for centuries.

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Mise Eire: Most of our ancestors were quite ignorant of the ‘workings of the world.’ Our earliest ancestors attributed causation to unseen forces, anthropomorphized them, and self selected classes of leaders emerged who alleged to have understanding of, and an influential relationship with these powerful forces affecting humankind’s earthly life and destiny.
This process evolved worldwide over hundreds of thousands of years, and became formalised as society structured itself. This has led to institutional hierarchical patterns of religious practices in much of Western society and different practices elsewhere.
Those “noble and upright people” of the Inca or Aztec believed in the power of human sacrifice to their gods. And in the supposedly advanced Western society they believed the earth to be flat while the sun moved around it. Their “priests” told them so!
MMM

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6:38pm

And, what would you do without Darwinian evolutionary Theory to apply to complex sociology-cultural anthropological phenomena.

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There are plenty of such noble and upright people in Ireland today. They are beyond sophomoric stuff about evolution and sex and are able to discern the divine in the world as it is. Something peculiarly dismal about Irish atheism. Sad to see an heir of centuries of faith compare God to the Lough Ness Monster.

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6.38
One of the most inane, verbose and unscientific concatenation of syllables to appear here. Read Mircea Eliade for an accessible acount of the origins of religions.

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4:50 in light of your comment, can you please tell us what do you get from this blog that you would not get elsewhere in your life? Await your reply?

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1. Why has the other deacon his hands joined as if he’s praying? What’s all that about?
2. Someone said that a Br Justin is Guestmaster in Glenstal. But on its site Glenstal has a video of Fr Christopher – described as Guestmaster -filmed last year where he talks about receiving guests as if the guest were Christ himself. This is interesting in light of yesterday’s blog.

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1.53 That would be a ecumenical matter, Mrs Doyle and never let it be forgotten:

That money was only “resting” in my account. 😇

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3:00
Now, I know that money was ‘buried’ in your account.
We’ll say no more.
Tell me this Fr, don’t be shy or ecumenical with the truth, but is there a deacon from the Diocese of Killaloe in Canada?
Oh, sorry Fr., but there’s Pat Mustard banging at the back door, again.

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Bishop Pat I love days like this when you allow loads of hate filled troll comments from the ‘faithful’, which are clearly intended to turn your blog into a hellsite but just show their ‘church’ is a hellsite.
‘Why were the deacons hands joined’ ‘lesbians at the altar’… Kiss my arse.

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Pat I am in such distress over a priest, I completely understand Yvonne and Carole’s predicament, I don’t know what to do anymore.

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1.08: Another bitch wanting to give women a bad name: Danny or Danielle or whatever you are, go for counselling. Your fantasies will crap you up.

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Carole, What alternative arrangements are Killaloe making to replace the retreat promised but now denied via their colleagues in Glenstal

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Fintan could fund your stay for a few days in one of the fancy guest apartments in Maynooth College.

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6:37 He could do a lot of things for me (and for Yvonne) but he doesn’t want any contact with us.

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In all fairness what do you want? I’m sure the man in the big house will discard of you soon unfortunately for you. He is a proverbial idiot. And as for Y. She never lost a home over GF or the Bishop. Ask her family. Sorry Bishop Pat and deepest respect to you, you are smater than this.

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7:06 that’s not a very Christian approach nor a good example. Shame on them in Killaloe. Pax

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8:50 why are you dragging Y’s family into this? You really need to get your nose out of the lives of private citizens in your overzealous and misguided efforts to protect your own deviant issues. Shut up Father, it’s not acceptable to harass and intimidate anyone in order to shut them up about your deviant clerical & lay colleagues.

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9:52 Lies, lies, and more filthy lies. Is Ger paying you to infiltrate this blog? How much personal information about myself & Y. has been given out by Ger, who is supposedly still an ordained priest, to his family & friends? They seem to know so much…Dangerous minds. #Canonlaw

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What a drip the RC bishop of Limerick is: Newstalk this morning, the Pat Kenny show, he would not say he would and he would not say he wouldn’t . He was out on a good PR outing for himself and their horrible synod, but could not be honest. A real RC bishop indeed. Stay off the media Bishop, pitiful productions like all your “brothers.”

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1:47 they all obsessed with media, sure only way they can get most to remember they even exist. You’d hear a pin drop in most churches

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2.33: Not true. At our church every weekend, we presently have an attendance rate of 1500 at 4 masses. About 600 down since covid. And twice a week about 60 parishioners attend divine mercy devotions and eucharistic adoration. We hear pins drop because people have increduble respect and carefulness when at masses and devotions. Strangely too our collections are back almost at pre-covid figures, even though we have less attending. It’s a funny old world!! Let’s be positive and hope-filled.

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Pat,
I live in Scotland. A close friend who died recently told me a story which he said was true about a priest in the West who was in bed making love to another priest when he had a heart attack!
Pat you couldn’t make it up! Has any of Scottish correspondents heard about this?

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Anyone who wants to be a priest or deacon must have a psychological deficiency of one kind or another – it’s a given celibate clergy are hypocrites and invariably actively practising ((less their faith) more their orientation.
Dysfunctionality reigns supreme among the clergy.

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We have openly gay young clergy in Armagh Archdiocese. One Parish Priest is handing Blessing of the Graves in County Tyrone over entirely to the unordained deacon because he’s off on a cruise. Unsurprisingly.

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Not hard to work that one out. Too used to the leisurely life that one. True reflection of Jesus’ living? I think not.

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“You are only a good person because your life has let you live that way.” From ‘You Don’t Know me.’ Discuss.

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All religious leaders should be interceeding for Julian Assange and praying for him; that the Australian P.M will intercede to stop the Yanks and the Brits from punishing his honourable acts that have helped the whole world. They want to teach people like him a bitter lesson. Bishop Buckley is to the catholic church in Ireland what Assange is to the corrupt ways of the USA. Who ultimately controls Google? The photograph of Leonardo di Caprio handing His Holiness an envelope to the humble mans delight tells more than any words could ever capture.

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Pat, may I ask you a personal question please. Do not feel the need to answer it off course, if I am being intrusive. How important do you think intimacy and sex is in a relationship?

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Pat, what is your view of a relatively young priest who had a labourer’s job before seminary returning home dressed in a clerical shirt with collar and black trousers and a carrying a black umbrella going for long walks around his large home town and walking within the confines of the town not ‘out in the countryside’. It isn’t his parish, it is his home town.

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7.50: Are you on weed? What a most stupid question. Simply innocuous. Recently Pat visited his home town Tullamore and other places close by in his full clericals. What’s the difference? Enlighten us.

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Good evening audience, you are all welcome to The Devenish on Wednesday for our ever popular quiz night. Bishop Buckley was here last month for a wedding and he and us enjoyed each other’s company.

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Have you seen how erratic paddy McCaffertys masses are? He tells his flock he has been crying for days but then tells them they are ok? When will he be a survivor and not a victim?

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7:54 Well Eamon! Where have you been?
Were you on the dry there for a while?
They’ve driven you back to the grog again so you’re back to the blog we see!

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Just watching the Church Militant reports on Bishop Stika.
Main take home:
If you get raped go to police immediately without washing or cleaning yourself in any way. And take a friend for support.
This is the most useful thing dealing with the Catholic church can teach you.

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Pat, would you ordain trans or non binary persons? Would you ordain lesbians and gays as deacons and deaconnesses? With your liberal interpretation and rejection of church teachings, why is your Oratory Society not full of ordinands and candidates? You have 1 or 2 priests? What are your reasons for an empty seminary and no vocations?

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9.47: Good questions. Pat rarely answers honest questions which challenge his contradictions and double standards.

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