FROM: NCR
Cornwell said that in his view, the real “bombshell” to emerge from Kertzer’s essay is not regarding Pius XII’s negotiations with Hitler, but instead Kertzer’s uncovering of documentation that the Vatican ordered the burning of files regarding German priests who had abused children — an issue von Hessen raised during one of his visits to the Vatican.
“It is now clear that the Secretariat of State, then under Cardinal Pacelli’s direction, had indeed taken immediate action,” writes Kertzer. “A folder in the Secretariat’s files from the previous year is labeled ‘Vienna: Order to burn all archival material concerning cases of immorality of monks and priests.’ ”
ROME — New research from the Vatican archives appears to show evidence of previously unknown backchannel negotiations between Pope Pius XII and Adolf Hitler during the Second World War, although some historians cautioned that the findings do not represent a “paradigm shift” in understanding the Catholic Church’s wartime actions.
“No new finding has been as dramatic as the discovery that, shortly after he became pope, Pius XII entered into secret negotiations with Hitler, a story told here for the first time,” writes Brown University historian David Kertzer in a recently published essay in The Atlantic, adapted from his new book, The Pope at War.
The article chronicles a series of meetings between Pope Pius XII (formerly Italian Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli) and Hitler’s emissary, German Prince Philipp von Hessen, newly discovered after the 2020 opening of the Vatican’s Pius XII archives.
Kertzer, the author of several best-selling books on the Vatican, has uncovered transcripts of meetings between the two men, which include a series of cordial greetings between Hitler and Pius XII.
PAT SAYS
Pope Pius XII, like all RC hierarchs and clerics, was willing to sacrifice ordinary Catholics, and victims, to protect disgusting and lecherous priests and monks.
The protection of the so called good name of the RCC, and bishops and priests, has always been more important than non clerical, totally dispensable.
Catholic laity are simply clerical fodder.
The while ROMAN CATHOLIC INSTITUTION is an evil and not of Christ phenomenon.
In fact, at this stage, I think I have to say that it is more true to say that many popes were the vicars of Satan rather than the vicars of Christ!
Thank God, I only wasted the first 33 years of my life on the RCC.
And thank God, at the age of 33, through the machinations of the RCC hierarchs, I had a road to Damascus liberation from the RCC and for the first time in my life experienced what it was really like to have freedom of the sons and daughters of God.
ROME is the new Babylon for the People of God.
And I’m so glad to be in Larne instead of Babylon 😀
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
114 replies on “POPE PIUS XII DID DEAL WITH HITLER TO BURN THE FILES OF GERMAN PRIESTS AND MONKS INVOLVED IN SEXUAL ABUSE.”
I literally just came across the idea (which I suspect you’ll like) called either Disney Princess theology or Disney process theology. It’s the continued and systematic framing yourself as the goodie in biblical stories (and I suppose other myths as well) despite being chronically or repeatedly in the wrong and causing stuff like this.
But then I suppose there’s many a priest who sees himself as a Disney princess.
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12:13
Disney Princess Process Theology or (DPP) originated from ‘School of Pollyanna Theology’
which adopts the teleological position…. ‘it’ll be alright on the night’ …Omega point. 🤔
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Hitler & The Pope, no wonder the nastiest people in communities are without exception those very closely involved with the priests. Ugh!
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+Pat: Indeed as you say, you are free from RCC’S machinations. But aren’t you still wedded to the concept of an almighty creator God’s manifestation in Christianity?
The more positive moral values of Christianity are commendable, originating as they do from evolved ethical concepts. But their positivity adds no value in legitimising or validating their basic premise concerning a redemptive messiah who was/is also the sole creator God.
Professor Brian Cox’s programme a few nights ago on seeking evidence for past life on Mars puts a perspective on humanity’s self considered centrality to existence. Contemplating the evidence, and the millions of years and miles involved, from which to gain understanding and formulate basic propositions of life’s earthly origins seems more relevant than deciphering ancient biblical tracts from which to understand our existence and dictate our behaviour.
MMM
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Well no actually, and it’s fairly well known that false accusations of sexual abuse against clergy and religious were common at the time because the Church was the main opposition to naziification. You have to read broadly on the era and area and not just the occasional historian that suits our preconceived notions. Just read any history of the period by specialists in the area and then use the bibliography to see other books. Kertzer is a particularly nasty in his anti-Catholicism. I can only imagine why.
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6.00am Is there any “anti-Catholicism” as you put it that people as yourself would not classify as “nasty?”
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10.33 well said, the definition of nasty we see every day in the vile & utterly vicious contributions made by clerics & their kathlicks on this blog. Many of them seem to have eating disorders & are also addicted to money, sex, porno etc & clearly they are utterly unable to control their stalking tendencies in order to block the truth of their multiple deviances. They don’t repent, that’s for sure. Holiday season for clerics fast approaching, will they take a break from the blog? It’ll be interesting to see what parts of the world they will pop up in this year, post-Covid etc.
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Thanks 10:33 and 11:11 you both expressed what I was thinking very well. We have a public duty to communicate that they see anything other than unquestioning submission as anti Catholicism and want dominance, not a fair share of the public sphere.
If you can legally express your opinions in public and legally practice your religion, you’re not being persecuted.
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Mullingar: Order to burn all archival material concerning cases of whoopsie moments and other unwanted advances of monastic superiors.
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Not the first time there was a burning of papers/letters in the environs of Bishops House/Office in Mullingar. Lol, Lol. When Lenny RIP ( an Armagh Auxiliary) was dying, he burned himself ( by accident of course) while taking care of the fire he had lit to burn many papers/letters. Now with email, despite deletions, its always there somewhere, a salutory reminder that turning anything to carbon from the office is quite redundant.
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10.30 the clever clogs cleric obviously forgot the bit about playing with fire & getting burnt 🤣🔥
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8am they should burn in hell themselves for all the covering up they do.
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Oh, so CSA was going on pre-Vatican 2. Don’t tell me…it was due to… the ‘Roarin 20s’. Yeah, right! Stick that in your lace collared coated pipes and puff on it!!
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Yes they conveniently forget that. When you do a deep dive you invariably find there are reports going well back. For example Jonathan West received accounts of abuse at Ealing Abbey going back to the forties.
The cathbots are remarkably illustrative of the inability to separate correlation and causation.
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For a deeper dive see Dyan Elliot’s ‘ The Corrupter of Boys: Sodomy, Scandal, and the Medieval Clergy’. https://newbooksnetwork.com/the-corrupter-of-boys
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It was much, much worse after VII.
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Wherever there is or was power the institution of the Roman Church cosies up beside it. Its most recent waste product was the Cardinal Archbishop of Hong Kong who spoke against the Chinese-Vatican deal, to say nothing of the Belgian who has returned his red hat without ever wearing it. In the reverse, at its very origins, Constantine identified it as a way for his empire to cling to power; from that time the Roman institution called church has used the very same operative device to further and hold its power ( Lateran Concordat,Mussolini). Look at the countenance on the Montini face in that photograph.
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11.32 Brady and his ” learning curve.” It might have meant something to the impressionable. He was lying, he knew and knows that the RCC, its bishops and officials have known for centuries that this was and is a reality/phenomena of a particular demographic of popes, cardinals, bishops and clergy/religious, sisters and nuns not yet come to light. They opened up St. Luke’s in Washington ( Stroud another)( Canada) and other facilities predating it so that percentages and profiles could be kept secret within the putrid institution. This was the reason for closing a John Of God facility in Dublin also, and “disappearing” its files. Think Suetonius The Twelve Caesars, its been far worse in the RC Empire . His interview along with Donnelly in Dundalk with that young victim and the questions they asked, odious but it disclosed much about their own makeup and the makeup of their kind. Many others who would have been interviewed have never come forward. Putrid. Entirely.
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It must be the longest ‘learning curve’ in the history of learning or maybe it’s indicative of sheer stupidity.
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Cardinal Montini (later Paul VI) is seated behind the Pope.
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@ 9:04am
We didn’t need that information you could tell him a mile off. Bileen was spot on as usual when he said look at the countance on that face.😏
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11.23 Twas not me good self Paddy who qualified the photograph!!!!!!!!!! Most likely your classmate!
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I have a nice Chateau Neuf for your palate?
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@11:23 Countance?
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You don’t need to go back decades. Bergoglio is directly responsible for covering up many abusers, such as Uncle Ted, Bishop Barros, Fr Inzoli and Fr Grassi.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/10/pope-francis-sexual-abuse-victims-catholic-church
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And Zanchetta etc.
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@ 1:06pm
Cheer’s Bileen I’m very partial to a Chateau Neuf, unfortunately I think you’ve got the wrong person. I’ll take it anyway, good luck to ya.☺
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Canonization is part of the infallible papal magisterium – so I guess we are stuck with the Nazi collaborator and nonce protector.
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They are all nonce protectors, it’s an essential prerequisite to survive within the cabal & is well rewarded. Birds of a feather 🪶 🦅
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If Pope John Paul II is a saint, then what class relic would the Koran he kissed be, technically?
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That might be an ecumenical matter.
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Christian Brothers Baldoyle, Dublin & late of Kilkee, Co Clare
Burial @ Baldoyle 21.6.2022
RIP
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OSF Philadelphia & late of Mallow, Co Cork
Burial in Philadelphia
RIP
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Guess who the ghoul is sharing the death notices with us?
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That’s the catlicks for you – obsessive graveyard ghouls & funeral thugs!! One of the few social occasions where an invitation isn’t compulsory so they do like to make the most of it.
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I am not in the slightest surprised to hear that negotiations / contacts such as reported here took place. The Vatican will have for years, and no doubt still does, have contact with odious people and regimes as they pursue their foreign policy / realpolitik. Any principle can be subverted by the need to achieve a presumed good end, they think. These things are still going on. We know a little about Pope Francis’ protection of certain bishops with whom he is connected / friendly, and there will in the future be some shocking revelations about that. As significantly, the foreign policy of the Vatican, in particular in regard to China, under Archbishop Paul Gallagher, an Englishman and a Liverpool priest, works on the same principles that certain things can be done which are morally and ethically questionable in exchange for a presumed good / gain. And so, in China, essentially the loyal Catholic Church of decades has been thrown to the wolves and subjected to the authority of the Chinese Government under the state controlled Patriotic Catholic Church. Never mind the hundreds and thousands of Catholics who have suffered and given their lives for their faith in that country over the decades. If it suits the exigencies and objectives of the Vatican at any particular point, they are quite happy to do a deal with the devil. Such it has been for ever, and such it will continue to be. So, I am not at all surprised to see this story about Pius XII and the Nazi Regime. In hundreds of smaller ways in diocesan chanceries decisions and actions like this will still be taking place. I am certain of that.
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@9:50… which explains why in hundreds of diocesan chanceries appalling decisions and actions which took place in the past, and continue to take place, have many bishops quaking in their ecclesiastical boots, while legal eagles are coining it.
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‘have contact with odious people and regimes’
Did you stop to think what sort of people are happily in contact with odious people and regimes? If you’re constantly in the pockets of those sort of people it means you’re odious.
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The Vatican’s realpolitik foreign policies, created in their ivory towers, supposedly to achieve a presumed good end, involves real people, real suffering and ruining lives. For whose presumed gain/good? It is outrageous to say the least. I think their realpolitik foreign policies has backfired in relation to CSA!! Too many hostages were left to fortune.
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Well the church does have one useful function – it provides employment to criminal defense lawyers and the manufacturers of shredders. We must be balanced.
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Burial took place @ Glasnevin Cemetery
On 19.6.2022
RIP
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Burial took place @ St Peters Cemetery, Drogheda on 17.0.2022
RIP
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Burial took place @ Ballinacourty Cemetery on 14.6.2022
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Can you put the death notices together in ONE comment, please.
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Or better still, find some other site which those interested can refer to.
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May I suggest this website for all catlick obits https://greyhound.ie/
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Can you put the death notices together in ONE junk bin, please.
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Sr Borgia Shanahan, Presentation Sisters, Milltown & Killarney, Kerry
Burial 15.6.2022. Milltown Cemetery
Fr Loughlin Brennan, Murroe/Boher, Limerick, suddenly @ his Parochial House. Burial @ Loughmore Cemetery, Tipperary- 15.6.2022
Sr Betty Moran, FMSA, Dundalk & late of Knockcroghery, Roscommon. Burial Convent Cemetery, Mount Oliver, Dundalk 14.6.2022
Canon Patrick O’Brien, New Ross
Former President, St Peters College & retired PP, Kilanerin
Burial Cushinstown 19.6.2022
Sr Eileen Egan, St John of God Convent, Wexford Town & late of Moyne, Tipperary. Burial 21.6.2022 @ Foulkstown Cemetery, Kilkenny
Sr Aloysius Hourigan, Ursuline Convent, Thurles, formerly Brecon, Wales & Latin, Tipperary. Burial @ Ursuline Convent Cemetery, Thurles.
RIP
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@ 10:30am
OMG!Patsy she never gives up.🙄
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@ 10.30. Thank you. May they all rest in peace.
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@ 11:38am
I hope she’s not doing her usual, thanking herself.🤣
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No, wait, you mean there was a nun called Borgia? Did she have sisters called Machiavelli and de Sade?
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@ 11:21am
No you twat, she took that name from St. Francis Borgia.🙄
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11:46, How did you know my cathbot mother named me after St Impenetrata Twat.?
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Is it open season on the clergy 🦆 🦆
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@ 12:48pm
It was obvious, thanks to your lovely Catholic Mammy.😂
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Yes, she was a good Catholic mother. It was strange how I had to address the Monsignor as uncle though and we always got a special treat after his visits. Never understood that.
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12:18
They’re all big boys well able to defend themselves.
Then,again, it’s difficult to defend the indefensible.
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What happened to Fr Brennan near Glenstal? – Murroe, Limerick ?
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Credit to Bishop Denis
https://ossory.ie/parishes-and-people/diocesan-database/parish-details/?parishID=6
When will it stop another one.
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11.31 As the Good Book says, he has done no more than his duty. Credit? Fuck!
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@ 1:16pm
Maybe just as well Impenetrata.🙄
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This is shocking as it gets. But that isn’t the first time re deal. Vatican tried to have a deal with Ireland. See link here :
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/vatican-sought-deal-with-irish-state-to-bury-church-documents-1.3587955
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/vatican-proposed-irish-state-indemnify-it-against-clerical-abuse-claims-1.3589213
In another words, we as Catholics are nothing or meaningless to Vatican eyes such as deceased sodano. Still we are giving cash donations to various rcc churches on weekly Sunday collections that is TAX FREE.
What wrong with ourselves as Vatican must be laughing at us.😆🙈
Are we that stupid😁🙄🤔🤷♀️
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Yes they are, Deaf Guy. I used to think there was no such thing as a good RC cleric..I now realize I was mistaken in this and there is no such thing as a good RC full stop.
This news today would be enough to make anyone with any moral sense fuck off out of there.
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12.47: More blah, blah, blah, blah….how to tell lies. Well done, you slapper….f***k away yourself..
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The fruit of the spirit is patience, 2:41.
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2:41 : You’re a right charmer
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Every diocese on the Island of Ireland needs to be independently investigated.
Safeguarding MUST be completely independent of the RCC.
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About time someone said that.
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12.44
In particular, the diocese from which you were involuntarily dismissed. It has lessons to teach other dioceses.
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What kind of lessons? Do tell us.
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Many are chosen but few are called. How come ?
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The stone rejected by the builder
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The RC response to clerical child sexual abuse is notably in contrast with the response of the German state, where the shoah originated, to prevent it happening again.
In Germany you literally can’t forget it happened. If you so much as mention their crimes to an RC they start ranting that you’re persecuting them.
This is why the scandal is so far from over. Significantly the frequent comments on here about old people, other churches, the LGBTQ community, etc would be stage four on the right stages of genocide (http://genocidewatch.net/genocide-2/8-stages-of-genocide/).
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It was easy to spot Montini there as his face never changed. Saw somewhere a photo of montini getting out of a car in Roscrea abbey. Also he did spend a very short time in Nuncio office in Dublin. That was late 1950s I think.
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1.11 I wonder how much time he spent in the kitchen?
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My late mother often said of people “ The nearer the altar the bigger the rogue”
Regrettably with the passing of years I’ve found that to be so very true.
She also remarked that most of the Protestant shopkeepers and businesspeople in our town were all members of the Free Presbyterian Church or Gospel Halls. Her expression was that they were all “good living to get a living”
Once again time has proven to me that she was right again.
I’m sure many of your contributors have found the same.
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Mark Moriarty is a layman
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The RUC, Army, MI5 and social services records relating to social worker abuse at Kincora were all destroyed, hampering the Hart Inquiry.
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Pat Buckley:
‘This blog is to highlight wrongdoing and corruption in the RCC’
The RCC is supposed to be the means of grace appointed by almighty God, and yet they’re remarkably keen to point out they’re no different to anyone else.
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3:02
Great point.
“Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them.” 1 John 2:15
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@ 3:02pm
I think you’ve displeased someone Patsy, I wonder if I’ve guessed right who it is.
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That would be a Social Work matter.
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You’ve woken up late. Or have you been at mass practice?
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I love it when the cathbots show what utter psychopaths they are 🤣
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https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/woman-calls-for-clergy-misconduct
Woman calls for clergy misconduct law after assault allegation
News: Clerical sexual misconduct
The Pillar .Jun 16.
“A woman who says she was sexually assaulted by a priest is calling for the passage of a state law that would make it a crime for pastoral ministers to have sexual contact with spiritual directees and others to whom they provide “pastoral counseling.”
If passed, the New York state bill would ensure pastoral ministers are not able to use their knowledge, trust, and authority to manipulate or abuse their congregants, Dakota Bateman told The Pillar.”
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/oblates-shelter-sex-offenders-retirement-residence-ottawa-1.6484676
Victims of sexual abuse upset convicted clerics cared for in Catholic retirement home
Social Sharing -Questions emerge about the care and protection of aging clergymen convicted of sex crimes. Julie Ireton · CBC News · Posted: Jun 20, 2022.
WARNING: This story contains distressing details.
” When James and Tony Charlie first arrived at Kuper Island Residential School in British Columbia, they were given identification numbers that would be stitched into their clothes and put on lists for chore duties.”…” Tom Doyle, a former priest who studied at both Saint Paul University and the University of Ottawa, frequently speaks out on behalf of survivors of clergy abuse. He told CBC he wonders why the church continues to protect, shelter and employ those convicted of crimes. “They are a danger to the order,” said Doyle. “They shouldn’t be allowed to remain in the religious orders or in a diocese. They should be laicized because the excuse that we have the opportunity to monitor them, to keep an eye on them, to do all this stuff is a very weak one, because in practice that has not been very well carried out.”
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‘He told CBC he wonders why the church continues to protect, shelter and employ those convicted of crimes.’
Even Tom Doyle is conditioned not to see it. What you do consistently and repeatedly is what you’re about. The church is about crime and its cover up.
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Rumours flying in Rome that His Humbleness is resigning today. God is good.
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@ 3:48pm
Please God, it’s true.☺
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Why would he resign when he plans to create cardinals at the end of August?
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I’m sure you’ll all be as bitchy to the next one. (who will be a lib, btw).
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@ 5:11pm
AS long as he’s a Catholic Pope unlike the present incumbent☺☺☺☺
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5:19 Ah, a sedevacantist. That explains it.
Please come back to the Church, your salvation depends on it.
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6.01pm Were critics of previous bad popes denounced as sedevacantists? Enough of this papalotry, already.
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6.01pm – salvation does not depend on a pope or a person having the “right” view on the current holder of that office. I’m sure Pat would agree with me on that.
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Totally
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6.05
Referring to the Bishop of Rome as a non-Catholic is not a criticism. It is a denial of his papacy, therefore a claim that the See of Rome is empty, hence, classic sedevacantism.
Well said, 6.01.
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What is most amazing about this is the fact that unlike the German government or people, the RCC has never come out with its hands up for its behaviour in WWII.
Germany has never denied or minimized what happened. They have published paper after paper and continue to do so. It is a criminal offense in Germany to deny the Holocaust occurred and people have been imprisoned for it. I am not giving them credit for this but generally speaking since the mid 60s they have been absolutely forthright in their shame and condemnation.
On the other hand the RCC is up there with the Japanese for denial. Rape of Nanjing? Never happened. Live vivisection on human prisoners in droves in Manchuria? Never happened. Appalling treatment of POWs, worst in human history? Never happened. Babies in septic tanks? Mass paedophilia? Selling babies? Never happened.
Truly the RCC are the Devil’s work.
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It should be a criminal offence in today’s world to deny that the abortion holocaust is occurring. The feminist secular society are an absolute disgrace.
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Much as I’m loathe to admit it, I think I’ve finally found an honest bishop
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How many gay priests are in Tyrone and Armagh?
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@ 5:58pm
Too many!😏😏😏
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Child abuse is the RCC deepest darkest secret – they have been committing it and covering it up for centuries – it’s a playbook every bishop sings up to – nothing new there – they will bang on about Safeguarding whilst continuing to abuse and cover up.
Dominic Lawson eviscerated Pope Francis yesterday in the Sunday Times and called out his duplicity regarding Ukraine and China.
Chinese Communist Party chooses its own bishops – the Vatican are desperate for diplomatic status in China and will pay any price especially if it means turning a blind eye to forced abortion and mass sterilisation and the human rights of indigenous Muslims of which 1.3 million are held in concentration camps.
The hypocrisy is dizzying and staggering and history (secular) will cast its own judgement on this pope while the church will very likely canonise him.
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The latest display In Cobh Cathedral:
https://gemmaodoherty.com/paganism-on-display-in-cobh-cathedral-its-time-catholics-defended-the-faith-80/
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Gemma O’Doherty bullies a long-suffering receptionist in Cobh, dumping on her sectarian fire and fury, and showing an ignorance of Scripture and church teaching that should make her blush. A bit like Marjorie Taylor Greene.
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10:46 You mean Gemma spoke to a priest don’t you! Tell the truth and shame aul Nick.
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Bishop Patrick Buckley is a very good man, a decent individual and an advocate for the alternative. William Mulvihill. Bill Mulvihill. The spy who loved/ loves me. The cohort who dismiss he and I; simply put: do not understand. Buckley is as good in the sense of integrity as a human being gets. Amen. Magnificat; Notre Dame. Bill
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Sex abuse has existed since the start of humanity This is not an excuse nor is it a reason to shun culpability. Marauding soldiers rape and pillage. Why rape? A soutanne is not a cure for a wandering willy. Knowing they are no better than anyone else why are churches and some supposed rulers so intent on controlling and domineering over the sexual morality of the masses
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A prayer request: Pray for Bishop Buckley’s sister Mary (daughter of Josephine) and her family. If this request should not be on the blog, then I apologise Pat and you can bin it.
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@ 9:51pm
I’m sure we will all pray for Mary, but it was for Patsy to request this not anyone else.
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9.38
If Pat thought it was inappropriate he would have acted. Pat may have appreciated the thought.
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9:38 Bishop Pat had the final say. Stop calling him Patsy.
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Has the name of the priest in Ossory been released yet?
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