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CARDINAL PELL’S WOES CONTINUE.

Key points:

  • The court action was launched by the father of a Melbourne choirboy who claims he suffered “nervous shock” after learning of abuse allegations
  • His son has since died
  • The Catholic Church had argued it couldn’t be liable, because the father was not the alleged primary victim 

Catholic Church suffers setback as court rules lawsuit brought by Pell accuser’s father can continue – ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-24/catholic-church-george-pell-court-case-can-continue/101366566

PAT SAYS

The Cardinal Pell saga continued.

He now faces the civil courts where the burden of proof is way lower than in the criminal courts.

We will watch with interest.

203 replies on “CARDINAL PELL’S WOES CONTINUE.”

This is from the father of the alleged victim who denied Pell abused him. The allegations are so preposterous and incredible that the Victorian police and justice system are under increasing scrutiny, especially in the wake of the Lawyer X scandal. The travesty of justice continues. You may not like Pell’s views but if this persecution succeeds all Christians will lose.

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Looks like the Victoria court is trying to get revenge for its humiliation at the hands of the High Court. They are locked in a wrong way of thinking and seem incorrigible.

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Any cult always makes out that the leader is always right, the cult is being persecuted, and we’re all in danger. It’s how cults keep people frightened and keep them in.
Cf ‘I am as innocent as a person can be’ – Donald J Trump, leader of the MAGA cult who claims to be a successful businessman while demanding funds from his followers.

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Why do you think Pell’s own Attorney said the following in court;
Richter tried to argue there were “no aggravating circumstances” to one of the offences. It was “no more than a plain vanilla sexual penetration case where the child is not actively participating,” he told the court.

The chief judge, Peter Kidd, responded: “It must be clear to you by now I’m struggling with that submission. Looking at your points here – so what?”

He said he saw Pell’s behaviour as “callous, brazen offending” and “shocking conduct”.

“He did have in his mind some sense of impunity. How else did he think he would get away with this? There was an element of force here … this is not anywhere near the lower end of offending.”

Brutal and dogmatic, George Pell waged war on sex – even as he abused children

Richter also tried to suggest that an incident in which Pell grabbed one of the boys by the genitals in an attack that lasted seconds was “fleeting” and not worthy of a jail sentence. Kidd disagreed.

“That wasn’t just a trifling sexual assault,” he said.

George Pell’s lawyer says child abuse was ‘plain vanilla’ sex …https://www.theguardian.com › australia-news › feb › c…
26 Feb 2019

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Thanks for that, QP.

If I’ve understood your comment, Pell’s lawyer, Richter, actually admitted, in court, that Pell had indeed committed those offences against his accusers, but that they were so trivial that they didn’t warrant a prison sentence?

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Context is important, indeed essential. Richter called “vanilla” the allegations as they were detailed. Since the plea he entered for Pell was not guilty he was hardly accepting that they had actually occurred! He was saying that the allegations as made were of a certain type and should be dealt with in a the appropriate way.
Since the jury returned a guilty verdict (to the evident shock of the judge as seen by those in court at the time) the judge was obliged to pronounce judgment on the basis that the crimes had occurred as alleged. So his language reflects that.
A British academic, Dr Chris Friels, has written many papers which shred the allegations against Pell, showing them to be physically impossible, as well as highlighting serious problems with the police investigation. Victoria Police is historically a chronically corrupt police force, and recent scandals make clear little has changed.
Fr Frank Brennan SJ, a liberal Catholic with strong social justice activity, and who had clashed in the past with Pell, has written a book detailing how the case against Pell was a travesty of justice. Fr Brennan is a fully trained lawyer, and the son of a former Chief Justice of the High Court of Australia.
That an allegation is made does not mean it is true. We may not like Pell, and many here do not like the Catholic Church, but false allegations must be exposed, if only for the sake of those who truly have been abused. Injustice endangers justice for them.

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12.55
You missed the proverbial elephant in the room here.
I believe Richter’s arguing that the alleged offences against Pell were not serious enough to be tried in a court of law was an attempt by him, even at this late stage, to have the matter dealt with less formally, and, therefore, to have his client punished less severely should he be found guilty. This was revealing: a kind of Freudian slip by Richter that he suspected Pell might, indeed, be guilty after all, and so he was trying, as presumably would any good defence lawyer, to have his client punished more leniently than would a prison sentence.
Chris Friel did not demonstrate that the allegations were physically impossible, but he did demonstrate his forensic inability to think more thoroughly on these matters. There are more persuasive counter-arguments for Friel’s opinions.
Whether or not Victoria Police are ‘historically and chronically corrupt’ is completely irrelevant to this case, and it is a non-sequitur to imply that police corruption unfavourably compromised the Pell trial; you could not have any credible evidence to the contrary, since none was produced in any of the three courts that handled Pell’s case.
As for Frank Brennan SJ, telling us that he is a ‘liberal Catholic’, that he ‘clashed with Pell’, that he is a ‘trained lawyer’, and that he has solid legal pedigee since his father was ‘a former Chief Justice of the High Court’ may be interesting biography, but it is, again, completely irrelevant, since it does not, one way or the other, affect the reliability of his book on the Pell trial.

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‘Richter said he was in a difficult position because he could only propose a sentence based on the jury’s finding of guilt, not on the basis that Pell maintained his innocence. He said Pell did not have a pattern of offending and had not planned the attack, and so would have been “seized by some irresistible impulse”.’

In fact the minority opinion at the first appeal demonstrated the impossibility of Pell’s guilt (in a brief of 200 pages or so, showing up the shoddiness of the two other judges’ reports), which is why the guilty verdict was unanimously overturned by the higher court.

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This part of Pell’s trial is written about extensively in the press. I interpret this statement by Richer as, Pell is guilty, but ,it’s so inconsequential, it hardly adds up to a criminal offence, and if there is a jail sentence because of the “innocuous” occurrence, it should be lenient.
Richer is an eminent Australian barrister who has handled a number of high-profile cases including defendants unpopular in public opinion, so no fool.
He is an adjunct professor at Victoria University.
He is a critic of human rights violations and advocates for the rule of law.
Presumably that is the reason Pell selected a different Q.C. Sydney barrister Bret Walker for to run his appeal, although Richer lodged it.
Richer apologised for his use of words regarding the vanilla incident, but he did not withdraw his comment.

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3.02
The first sentence of this quotation affirms my opinion of Richter, which was expressed in my post at 2.41: that he at least suspected Pell was guilty of the offences, and, therefore, sought to have the judge direct that the matter be handled not in a court of law, but less formally, so that Pell might not receive a prison sentence if convicted. Why else would Richter have stated that he, upon a guilty verdict for Pell, could suggest a sentence for his client based only on the jury’s finding rather than on any continued declaration of innocence by Pell himself? In such an event, Richter would have demonstrated, both to the court and to the watching world, that he had never, really, believed in his client’s innocence.
As for Pell’s allegedly having no pattern of such offending, there certainly were no criminal convictions against him, but there WERE other such allegations, including one from an indoor pool attendant who said that he caught Pell as he exposed his genitals to young boys in a changing area and warned him, after the boys had been sent home, that the police would be called if ever he returned.
The minority opinon in the Court of Appeal demonstrated that the allegations were false to no one but himself: both his colleagues were persuaded otherwise, and the Court upheld the conviction. Your inference here is biased and misleading.
You have demonstated, by your comment, not rigourous, incisive intellectual analysis, but a clear prejudice in favour of George Pell. I can see only one reason for this: that George Pell is a Roman Catholic priest, and a high-ranking prelate within the Roman Catholic Church.

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Pell’s hometown Ballarat at the center of Australia’s sex abuse scandal
By Hilary Whiteman, Anna Coren and Jo Shelley,

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Pat, I have followed Paddy on Corpus website all through lockdown and been nourish by his Masses and sermons. He never mentioned you. I think someone is yanking your chain.

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The vicious comments of the predator Gin Slurry wrongly describing him as manipulating should not have been printed but should have been quoted by you with full context of your knowledge of the sender and your evaluation. There was nothing in his own messages needing criticising. We needed to know your stance on this devil Slurry.

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I was kinda hoping that under the new blog dispensation, Pat wouldnt allow outright lies to be published. Thank goodness for the church cam, otherwise this lie by “Brenda” (is there a letter missing?) might have been believed.

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How will Pell suffer? He is guilty of neglecting to shop Little and Mulkearns the moment he gained metropolitan power in 1996 – the ultimate power any Roman prelate can dream of. The Victorian detective Denis Ryan suffered for 50 years due to his employers’ collusion, with Pell not standing up for him. The whole Victorian public suffered for longer than that. This good and bereaved man has now had his family dragged into yet another convoluted scheme, which together with the obviously doomed financial posting was Pell’s agreed penance. Christians will be less at risk than they have been for a long time – provided the court doesn’t throw one of the usual Victorian kind of stupid stunts.

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Let’s hope justice will finally be done. The family continue to suffer from PTSD, abuse and wrong doing affects the loved ones of the victim. Pell is an arrogant clergyman.

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People must do what they can to get money, as we face a recession of a severity not seen in the West for generations.

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Yes, 9:00, the church should definitely stop having collections and use some of the billions in reserves. It could even try charging market rate rent to the tenants in its thousands of properties who can afford it.
There are all sorts of ways the cult could help.

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9am the man lost his child because of Pell & RC system of abuse, corruption & cover up. Blood on their hands, what’s new. Disgusting corrupt outfit serviced by ordained & lay crooks.

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The son died of a heroin overdose. He said he wasn’t abused. The cardinal was acquited of all charges. Got that into your skull yet?

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11.38

Get THIS into your skull, 11.38. Boys in particular, if sexually molested by men, are less likely to admit that they were abused, in case they are publicly ridiculed as being gay by their peers.

Yes, the son died of a heroin overdose, but his history of drug-taking begins much earlier, when he was just fourteen (less than a year after the abuse alleged by the other boy).

Pell was convicted, unanimously, by a jury, and this was upheld in the Court of Appeal.

True, Pell’s conviction was overturned in the High Court, but only on a legal technicality, according to Australian academic lawyers. (See theconversation.com/how-george-pell-won-in-the-high-court-on-a-legal-technicality-133156)

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An acquital is an an acquital is an acquital. Should the Birmingham 6 and other miscarriages of justice be brought back to court repeatedly until we get the judgement we want?

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12.19
Victories from legal tecnicalites are second best, and are never universally convincing. Witness Pell’s ‘victory’.

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I was wondering when the Birmingham 6 would come up. You mean that case where racist police arrested six Irishmen they didn’t like the look of, for an offence the IRA had uncharacteristically not claimed credit for, and manipulated the evidence? The case that it’s unlikely ever will be prosecuted because the evidence was so extensively tampered with?
One of the things I love most about this blog is the revelations about the faithful’s idea of reality and justice. As witness the way they invariably start (mis)using courtroom language when a perfectly legal sex act is mentioned.

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12.24 corrupt legal systems facilitate wealthy and influential Defendants. Roman Catholic Church has profited from this in many different ways over the decades.

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Becciu back in position…granted by Bergoglio recently…his removal was optics; George Pell being persecuted again; all part of the putrid tapestry of the RCC; George has come a cropped on what he has given all his years to….the case is nonsense but smells of Caesar.

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William at 7:50 I’ve said it before but you are a terrible judge of character, far too nice.
As for Pell coming a cropper on what he has given years to: if you give your life to an international criminal organization, that carries risks, including the results of doing the organizations cover ups.
Cf how many of Donald Trump’s previous lawyers are in trouble and he’s reduced to one who specializes in litigating insurance claims.

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9.08 Donald Trump is a good man. It is corruption had the highest levels that have the FBI pursuing him…the story is about to take a major turn . The Media back Biden, Bergoglio and that awful president giving his people to Russian slaughter….but it is he and NATO that are giving them. George Pell is a good man. He does not deserve this, guilty as hell in the cover up, but why has Bergoglio not been arrested , the biggest cover up merchant of all…it is a pity he and Wellit got out of Canada!!!!!

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10:19 Donald Trump is a career criminal and gangster who admitted to fancying his own 13 year old daughter more than his wife.
You have been showing the influence of the cult and clerical specialness recently, more than you would probably like to admit to yourself.

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10.19

‘Donald Trump is a good man.’😅

Tells us all we need to know about Mulvihill’s faculties and reliability.

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11.32pm: Brenda, you seriously need to stop trying to be a right troubling bitch. I listened to Fr. Paddy’ s homily and mass and he made absolutely no refetence to Bishop Pat. You are just trying to cause trouble. Since you’ve told lies and sought to be mendacious, you should retract your lies – if you have moral courage!!

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When oh when oh when will the sheep wake up and see the RCC institution for what it is. It’s a corrupt business prostituting the word of God for its own nefarious ends. It has no morals, no compassion. It is the complete antithesis of the Christian message. An institution completely immersed in the mire .

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The trouble maker at the top of the post and the ranty replies are an accurate impression of daily life in holy mother church.

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11.50om: The short “Pat says” may as well read – “Hurrah, Cardinal Pell will fall: hurrah”. Before and after the court proceedings, many journalists and TV outlets had serious misgivings and concerns about this case, not from any Catholic church perspective but from the entirety of this case. It was flawed from the beginning. Cardinal Pell was targeted by abuse survivor groups and nasty, aggressive secularists. It remains to be seen but as you say, the travesty of justice continues.

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“Hurrah, Cardinal Pell will fall: hurrah”

Humanity must always rejoice at justice being done. Interesting how you see it as a ‘fall’.

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The cardinal will have an illness or something that will keep out of jail. The blog would empathise I suppose?

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10.27 guards with kids don’t want to draw the wrath of the church on their families.

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8.43: When, oh when, will his views like you stop telling lies. When? You lit have twisted, distorted agendas and are too class practitioners of nastyism. TRUTH MATTERS not deliberate mischieviousness.

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8.52 Man’s truth is subjective and deviates from the truth found in Jesus Christ. God’s truth is absolute.

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And I’m sure you’re confident you’re in a position to inform everyone else of the absolute truth found in Jesus Christ, 9:37

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8.52
You are in deep denial of the moral character of the romanist institution.
Jesus is not served by kiddie-fiddlers, and their accomplices.

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No, the sword of justice is not pointed at Pell. The sword of prejudice may be. Justice Weinberg and the High Court outweigh the addled jury it the first trial and the two mediocre judges in the second.

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A jury so “addled”, 3:20, that it delivered a UNANIMOUS verdict on Pell: guilty.
You didn’t think that through, did you? 😅

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8:52 I’m sure you will agree that if you know the truth you have a duty to share it with the ignorant. The fact that you feel free to share your (subjective, although you will claim it is objective) truth but do not want 8:43 to share what they believe to be the truth, indicates you just want your say and everybody else can shut up.
Control, not the truth, is your interest. If you actually had the truth it would not have anything to fear from any ‘lies’ being expressed.

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9.17 Karma as understood by those whose belief system it is do not apply it like you and western philistines do. Stop perverting the belief system you clearly know nothing about like everybody who will use the word Karma as a weapon against others on this island today. Pell is innocent of this outrageous individual who did not even like his son.

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Actually, William, there are several belief systems which apply it and the common Western understanding of it (which you are correct to say is different from that of Hinduism) came via Theosophy and is commonly found in neo Paganism. So there are actually people in the west who have a belief system including the understanding of karma that you don’t understand.

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11.00

I was about to correct William, but you have done it for me. And very ably, too, I might say so.

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10.23
If that father did not like his son, Muvihill, I wonder had it anything to do with the boy’s off-the-rails behaviour, which began VERY soon after his alleged abuse in that sacristy by George Pell? When the boy was just fourteen?
Stretch your brain, Mulvihill, by giving the matter MATURE thought.

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10.23: Than you Bill for your last sentence of your comment. Says it all about the recent news about Cardinal Pell. Revenge by individuals and institutions is the motivation, I believe, revenge for their humiliation.

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What goes around south-east Australia comes around south east Australia, a sort of boomerang effect.

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12.32. Martin the paedo protector speaks TRUTH!

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This does rather sound as if the Victorian justice system, smarting from its humiliation some years ago over Pell, is determined to make him pay. So, it looks as though he will have to take the pain, and probably pay out some money in a civil case in the next few years. He will see it as part of the suffering cross that he has to bear, and will be able to spiritualise it to his own satisfaction and advantage. Such is the odd thinking of Catholics like Pell. All that ‘offering it up’ nonsense. He won’t go back to prison, and although he and the Melbourne Archdiocese may end up a bit poorer, he will be able to continue his comfortable life until he goes on to his eternal reward. If there is such a thing. However, there will always be a whiff of something rotten about Pell. That will be his legacy in this world.

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Whoa!

This is all down to nothing more primal than revenge?

You’ve let your imagination off the leash.

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Yes ! Why do you think the father is suing him in the civil courts ? It is about revenge. The father is pissed off that Pell did not stay in prison. He is pissed off that his son is dead. He wants everybody to believe that it is all Pell’s fault, although I am sure there are other contributing factors to the father’s and the son’s respective situations. Then, the Victorian courts will want to be avenged for their humiliation in the Supreme Court of Australia. Revenge is a powerful motivator, and Pell is going to have to put up with it. That’s life !

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10.53

No, it’s about SOME measure of justice.

That boy’s father feels cheated of justice, and I don’t blame him.

Learn to distinquish revenge from justice, cos you are not quite there, yet.

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The “victim” said he wasn’t abused. The father should look to his own parenting of the boy.

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Looks like the Victoria court is trying to get revenge for its humiliation at the hands of the High Court. They are locked in a wrong way of thinking and seem incorrigible.

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1.38: Sir, YOU’RE THE ABUSER IN EVERY WAY. YOU HAVE AN IRREDEEMABLE CAPACITY TO UNDERSTAND COMMENTARY. Lest you fail twice: I, and millions like me, many, many non catholics and atheists, columnists and journalists spotted the flaws and lying narrative of all Cardinal Pell’s accusers. GET IT: HE IS INNOCENT. Incidentally, I was responsible for getting three men before the courts for their abuse. Why? BECAUSE I DESPISE ALL ABUSE….Get it!! What’s your track record? Zero!!

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I am pleased that a man I believe to be an evil perverted bastardo, like many in his corrupt cult, is not going to know a moment’s peace.

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9.51 plenty other RCC bastardos & bitchettes will be watching this with trepidation, they always believe time exonerates them of any accountability for their covering up of wrong doing. Encouraging for victims & survivors worldwide to know that history will never forgive the cult & cases will not be written off any more.

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Marvellous news about Pell, the man formerly convicted of two sexual assaults (of which the more serious was oral rape) of two frightened, 13-year-old little boys.
Justice shall not be denied her day.

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Pat at 10:33 You will remember the to and fro when the conviction was deemed unsafe. The faithful flatly refused to see that an unsafe conviction had been overturned on a technicality and that was the objective fact. They were crowing that this meant he was innocent, ignoring the sheer weight of evidence you would need even to get this into court.
A reminder that leaders of a cult are always right, always innocent, and their followers deem them persecuted.

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No one should comment without reading Weinberg’s 200 page judgment which secured Pell’s acquittal. It was not about ‘a technicality’ but was a terrific x-ray of a travesty of justice, and a warning of the consequences if we twist the law to suit our bias, as happened with the B’ham 6.

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Of your Charity please pray with us today for the repose of His Soul at the Requiem Mass at Noon.
Bishop Seamus Freeman S.A.C. was one of Irelands forward thinking Bishops in Ossory and for the Pallotine’s.
http://www.stmaryscathedral.ie/webcam/
Also please pray for the Good Priests of Killaloe who take up their new appointments today or go on Sabatical.

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10.12 I went back to school today, ducking nightmare & it’s not even lunchtime yet. Many of the children I teach did not even have a day out these summer holidays. Unbelievable poverty amongst working families in Ireland.

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Hey,+ Pat, we are still waiting for some thoughtful blog on the synodal path and the various responses. Is it going to happen ? Or are we going to go for the sordid underbelly of clerical life all the time, and not raise our eyes to a future that could be wonderful if we engage with it ? Just asking !

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11:05am

Exactly, you can easily find online the untutored and pedestrian musings of the OAPs who,
in the synodal gatherings, thought they were taking part in Vatican III.

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11:21 You mean so called ‘trads’ are too busy dressing up and trying their latest vestments on, actually to publish anything useful? Oh, and shagging, cruising Grindr and bitching on here of course. 🤣

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11.05 G’wan Father, it’d be another string to your social media bow! G’wan, G’wan, G’wan

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2.41. Synod, Grindr, Boiler House, Tiger in the Woods, Maynooth/Gaynooth, Killaloe, Silverstream Silver Surfers, Armagh, Kerry, Meath, Phonsie, Tom Deenihan and so on and it goes on and on and o n………… what’s bad will get infinitely worse.

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10.56 this blog exists to support victims & survivors of Roman Catholic abusers lay & ordained. Shove your Synod where da sun don’t shine!

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Damian Thompson sometimes throws out a teasing comment that people would be astonished if they knew who the accusers were in the Pell case.

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11.05 crime and abuse is at the root of ongoing intergenerational loss and trauma. This will not be ignored to suit the agenda of those who continue to profit from injustice.

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Ah! Flurry Gin, the man with more imagination than certainty, is back. And guess what? He’s brought out that hoary old chestnut: a Vatican conspiracy to bring down local hero and curial fixer, George Pell, by bribing his Australian accuser, with ‘loads-a-money!,’ to put Saint George in the paedophile/ephebophile frame.

George didn’t do it! Honest, guv. Cross me heart and…

Do you people ever listen to yourselves?

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The Pell case illustrates the pendulum nature of history. From a time where the Catholic church was untouchable to a time where anything and everything can be claimed against them. Incredible to think that the Pell case made it all the way to the top courts in Australia when it should have been thrown out on Day 1 . Shows that courts dispense justice according to the norms of the day rather than real justice of evidence and innocent till proved guilty . I see two women in America are now claiming that former boxer George Foreman abused them 40 years ago. It’s becoming an ATM machine for lawyers .

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Your daily reminder that the apparatchiks of the cult will do anything to smear its victims, but most when they seek compensation.

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Bill at 9:08. I have a lot of time for your comments but Donald Trump is not a good man. Yes the system is rotten but Trump is a complete narcissist who cares about no one but himself. No one will ever convince me of this mans goodness. Anyway what has this to do with today’s blog?

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William, seriously, you’ve praised both Trump and Putin. The universe is telling you you’re easily taken in!

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If Pell was a whistleblower, the most insignificant of indiscretions would have been utilised against him.
How does Tom Deenihan’s property portfolio compare with that of the recently resigned Minister of State, Robert Troy of Mullingar?

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1.37 I certainly am not. Biden and Hilary Clinton have been more destructive to the world than either of the personages you name: its on record; its just not for an airing by the media so people like you are the gullible ones. Think for yourself…dont follow the Levitical media.

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11.56. Clergy never fall out with each other over parishioner abuse issues. They might squabble about things that affect their own day to day comfort but they don’t give a fiddlers f*** about anything or anyone but themselves. Actions speak louder than words.

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6:21pm You sit here all day, every day, just saying the same abusive things many times a day.

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More proof of Church & State collusion in Ireland. Whilst thousands of victims and survivors of Irish Roman Catholic Church related abuse and corruption await redress, the Irish government are set to spend €5 million renovating and maintaining buildings owned by religious orders to house refugees.
RC sat tight & provided no accommodation to refugees & now in collusion with crony politicians are availing of free refurbishment for RC properties whilst victims & survivors of RCC related crime & corruption are ignored.

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Poppycock!

Low cost??😅 It’s a cute quid pro quo, one that benefits the mendacious Romanists much more than the State.

Mary and Joseph weren’t charged for their stay in Bethlehem, so why aren’t the Romanists following this example by offering, for free, accomodation whose construction was funded by the Sheep?

There is NO shortage of cash whatever in the romanist institution, and yet, they still want more.

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12.33 you are shitting yourself because you’ve been rumbled – why should public money be spent refurbishing church property when you refuse to help anyone but your greedy selves. Enjoy your marching papers.

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12.33 Clearing your parasites off our dinner plates is the lesser of 2 options.

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12.27

Hey! C’mere, and lend me your ear. Your post is a deflection. And I’m not surprised: you have much that is morally condemning to deflect from

If you think the Catholic Church is being generous here, think again. It is getting its properties rennovated/refurbished FOR FREE by a cash-strapped state that cannot afford to build accomodation for refugees, so it asked the Catholic Church for help. How did it respond? With the generosity one might reasonably expect from an institution that claims Jesus as its founder? Like hell it did!

The Catholic Church is receiving a huge investment from the State AND it will receive as well rental payments from refugees that come directly from the State.

We’re in clover, boys!

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The one thing the cultists hate is the truth, 1:12, and you’ve given it to them in spades.
We also know, don’t we, that once the Ukraine invasion is resolved, the church will continue to profit from renting them out or sell them for a higher price than they would otherwise have obtained.
Not a penny of which will the state see back in tax.
Truth is difficult for them isn’t it?

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1.12 A shower of abusive vultures and parasites, beneath contempt. Wolves in sheep’s clothing. Feasting like Kings & Queens on the blood, sweat and tears of their victims deceased & living. Bastardos & Bitchettes full of hate and arrogance.

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1.36pm – A very shrewd move by Bishop Cotton. No flies on him. Those houses had been derelict for years.

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Yesterday, Paddy McCafferty was the subject of the Two Minutes Hate on the blog. Before that it was Bileen. Today it’s Pell’s turn.

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It’s very interesting the way the cultists refer to the very mild criticism of their religion on this blog as hate. They consider anything hate which isn’t unconditional praise.
The good side of this is that the clergy have to keep coming back here in case they or their friends appear. This begrudging curiosity mixed with angst is fascinating and I love to see it.

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1:33 Those who complain about the treatment of Mulvehill, Nugent, McCafferty are not defending the Cult but the particular individuals; same true of Pell. You are blinded by a generic dislike of what your call the Cult, and that sort of thinking is a seedbed for hate speech indeed.

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5:02 I would have said what you have said about thirty years ago.
I now see that view as a way people try to justify staying in a dangerous organization, one among many, which we hear repeatedly here.
The trouble is that the behavior of the church is repeated internationally and so it simply cannot be about individuals.
You will resist my view of the institution to which you have sold yourself, with every breath in your body.
The only explanation for the church’s behaviour which explains everything that happens is that it is an international criminal organization with a front of dupes like yourself to maintain credibility.
Of COURSE you personally would be repulsed by that because it says you’re a patsy. Of COURSE it will never be proven in a court because international criminal organizations make sure it can’t be. But when you look at the church through that lens, suddenly everything makes sense.
I don’t think it has always been, but naturally don’t have an opinion on when it would have become that. You will also of course note that I am not interpreting this in any theological way, because that is the entry to the cover story.

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4.11 I can see from the style and content: definitely not Neil Dargan…but of the same time as Dargan and myself in Maynooth definitely.

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When people repeat the absurd claim that Pell’s acquittal occurred “on a legal technicality” you know that either (a) they have no idea about the criminal justice system or (b) they do know, but they are willing to sacrifice the truth for the sake of their ideology. Either way: not worth listening too.

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Yet here you are listening ‘too’ them and feeling the need to comment. 🤣
Talk about living rent free in your head.

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Well said, Hythloday. They are in the same position as bigots who insist that the Birmingham Six were left off on a legal technicality.

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3.00
Heathlo…Hydro…Hythligh… S**t, man! Couldn’t you have chosen a more accessible username.
Anyhow, read the article linked at 12.12. It’s by two Australian academic lawyers, and it makes a bold, compelling case for the claim that Pell’s conviction was overturned on a legal technicality, not on a re-evaluation of the evidence against Pell.
Now I know you’re a Pellite and that it will be painful for you to read this article with an open mind, but sure, offer the pain for the souls in Purgatory.
Or maybe you just don’t believe that either of these academic lawyers knows as much as you do about the Australian criminal justice system.

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Getting back to Pell, I took a considerable interest in his trial and his appeals. He’s not my kind of churchman. His way of dealing with abuse victims was not kind but designed to minimise the cost whilst presenting the institution in a good light.
I was never convinced beyond reasonable doubt (the criminal test) that he was guilty of the offences for which he was initially convicted and having read both appeal judgements, I am more convinced his ultimate acquittal was correct. However, when I watched documentaries which discussed his behaviour with boys in his younger days, around swimming lakes, I was more inclined to believe, at the *very* least, Pell had engaged in unwise and inappropriate behaviour. These issues were never, however, tested in court.
Even with the much lower bar for civil proceedings, this will go nowhere. Whether I have any sympathy for Pell or not, I do worry for the father of the late alleged victim who died before his time and in very tragic circumstances. I hope that he gains some closure through doing this but sadly I fear that he may only be hurt even more than he has been already. He is the one for whom I will pray in particular, in the hope that he finds some peace.

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Betty Turpin hits back at Pat with her appointments as Pat featured him and Mattie carlin on a picture so he has been given Top job V. E. for Education in the dioceses all schools. And the Priest at the centre of the rent boy scandal at the Cathedral is brought back as an admin in a parish as he does not trust Oliver Freeny http://www.rdop.org.uk
The victims of the Cathedral scandal and the Daisy Chain will not be amused. also 2 parishes have to start the horrible Divine Renovation to try and get people back.

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Denis Nulty is a RC bishop. He was fully aware ( as a Meath priest ) about the Columba Nee issue through his good friend Fr. Robert Mc Cabe who was in fact the facilitator of Nee’s attendance at the event where the actions took place. William Mulvihill

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And of course the other link is Bob McCabe’s PP in Navan, Declan Hurley (also the Vicar General for the Diocese of Meath) who was a classmate in Rome of Columba Nee. Small world.

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Bill’s back to throwing out libelous accusations again. Spit it out, Bill, or shut up.

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Bill are or were you a Mandated Person as defined by the 2015 Children First Act? If so did you report these allegations to Tusla and/or the Gardai? What is the penalty for not reporting a serious allegation?

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8.15 Columba Nee works for the St Vincent De Paul in Dublin…I think at Christchurch. Time they took a look.

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Popcorn Time 🍿
Lock him up and throw away the key
Blood on his hands just like the rest of his cover up merchants.

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Yesterday’s blog state that someone has contacted Bishop Pat to say he has misinformed Bishop Pat about satanic issues in Bishop Nulty Diocese of K&L and there was NO Clergy there.
Bishop Pat’s motto for the blog THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE EVEN IF THE TRUTH IS REVOLTING so with Bishop Pat being the person he is can he assure the bloggers that he has apologised to His Brother Bishop Denis.
Somehow I think not

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That information came from TWO SOURCES.
An anonymous source did indeed say what it said.
My second source has been engaged with Denis Nulty on the matter, and continues to be.
The issue also concerns the suicide of a prominent person.

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@6.46pm this story got complicated because there were two strands, obviously from two different sources. It started as something about a gay group holding orgies in Laois or Kildare. Nothing much in that. No law broken. Consenting adults and all that. Then someone was mischievous and added the Satanic/Black Mass dimension and threw in a few characters from the blog for good measure, Rawhide, etc. It had the desired effect of raising a lot of people’s blood pressure! Then there is another strand, which I am not familiar with, of someone from the diocese of K&L being in touch with Pat about the orgies and a priest attending.
Pat acted in good faith in making this public and was unaware that the Satanic aspect was false and that Rawhide was not present. To the best of my knowledge no priests attend this group but Pat may know more. Why he should be apologising to Dinny Nutty, I don’t know. Dinny doesn’t police the private lives of citizens in the county of Kildare or Queen’s County. Move on now, nothing to see here!

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There were several priests from D&C at this, your recollection is totally wrong Flurry Gin.

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6.46 I was the one who asked about the Satanic Cult the other day. It seems to me that there are clerical/lay factions out there who have been working overtime on the blog trying to protect their own interests. You people are no match for Pat.

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Well, the things you learn on this blog! I’m gobsmacked. Are you saying, Pat, that one if the organisers of the rural group gatherings/orgies, is a “resigned priest”. Well, be the hokey, I never suspected. But the two guys who run this show live together as a couple. Are you sure one is an ex priest?

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I’m told that there were several such gatherings in woods in the area and a suicide in a wooded area.

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Get Robert Nugent on the case. He has expertise from his recent sorting out of the tragic case in Thurles.

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8.02: “I’m told” = hearsay. Prove what’s been told to you. The suicide??? Surely there’s a record with an Gardai? Facts and truth matter.

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I have all the details and information. I’m awaiting permission to use it.

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8.02pm Clearly there must be two groups and they have been confused. The group I know only meets indoors in a house, once a month generally. There’s never been anything outdoors. The house is the property of the organisers and is in Laois.
Laois is a small county so saying someplace is near Stradbally, as has been said here yesterday, is not helpful. Much of the county is near Stradbally.
Previously, you, Pat mentioned woods and showed a map listing them (last year on the blog). These woods are all well known cruising sites in Laois. Anyone can go on Squirt and search the Cruise area. I think you’re referring to Derries and Emo, the latter is still very active.
If something terrible happened in the woods, that is very sad and awful. I find it difficult to believe, however, that the guys I know who organise the house group, have anything to do with this.
I really think two groups have been confused. One of your informants not aware of what the other was aware of. And strangely stumbled on something very similar and the mischievous mention of Satanic practices only confused it all further. Do you think this is possible?

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@6.28pm we they priests, those northern guys who drove the whole way down? I never knew. They were hot!

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It’s hardly “love is love” territory. Most of the time they don’t even know the other people’s names.

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8.12pm the rest of humanity is just as promiscuous but is constrained by wives and children and so doesn’t get to act it out so freely. You’re just jealous that we get so much hard man cock and ass. You can only dream of it. Ouch!

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Pat, you’ve allowed Bill Mulvihill to once again calumniate named individuals. When pressed for proof or even an explanation he says nothing. We all know that nudge nudge, wink wink about priests and scouts is highly libelous and dangerous nowadays. As a matter of natural justice, please could you take down Bill’s posts, or require him to say exactly what it is that he is accusing people of. You could even have it as a blog subject and get Bill to once and for all say what he knows or thinks he knows about JMcK, CN and C/K M. This dance of the seven veils shit is the type of girly gossip that Bergoglio rightly never stops condemning.

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8.09 the nudge, nudge, wink, wink that clergy & their teams engage in to create diversion tactics confirm that the RCC is a highly dangerous libellous and manipulative Mafia organisation using God as the shop window to extract funds from the sheep to fund its operations.

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@8.13pm Aren’t you charming! See how these Christians hate each other and the rest of humanity.
By the way I’m not Neil. He’d be horrified and so am I.

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Are you that big lad who was auditor of the L&D, wrote articles in 3D and was one of Ben’s predecessors in UCG?

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@8.53pm Ah you’re getting close now.

But I have to go. I’m an hour ahead. On holidays in Sicily and have a gang bang shortly. Must take a shower and prepare myself. Staying in the local seminary here. The vice rector and bursar and four recently ordained are coming to fuck me soon. They love a Friday night session here and you need stamina. They go on into the morning. I’m looking forward to Sicilian cock. Haven’t had it for years. Whether the priests fuck as well as non priests, we’ll see. Talk soon.

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9.11: This is a comment which Pat should not have printed. It’s revolting. Whether meant as funny or whatever, my response to you is: may you waken in the aftermath of your scummy night full of dangerous diseases. Of course Pat loves the erotic posts…he needs them for self pleasure!! Filthy perves.

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Pat, might I suggest having as a blog topic the vexed issue of Bill Mulvihill’s loans and their non-repayment, the artworks he acquired, what exactly happened in Australia and what his parishoners really thought of him.

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11.22 Why do you not attach a name to your comment ? The price of that comment will now be very high Eamon.

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11.22 The now head of the religious department of Allianz Alan Black can let you know about what you call “art collection.” In Dunleer, those paintings was insured with Allianz. Stop telling lies to defame me.

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11,22 I shall tell the Joe Caddy story myself in my book. He is the Vicar General of the Archdiocese of Melbourne presently. As Vicar Generals go in the world, they are the bishops henchman. Sweeney in Armagh took the position knowing what it was in the hope of greatness. I do not know why the RCC will not desist in my regard for I have so far just been warming up.

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