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ISRAEL AND PALESTINE???

The first thing we need to realise and say is that the Israeli and Palestinian situation is really complex and only a fool would propose resolving it with simple or simplistic solutions.

I have been to Israel twice, liked it and fell in love with Jerusalem.

I could live in Jerusalem no problem.

The conflict is very sad because a people, the Jews, who have suffered so much themselves, are now inflicting great suffering on another nation – the Palestinians.

And of course, Palestine is compounding the problem by shelling Israel causing Israel to retaliate with killings.

It is a very vicious and violent circle.

I cannot see how the situation can be solved militarily.

So the only real resolution can be by negotiation and peaceful negotiation.

That means reading that there cannot be a WINNER and a LOSER.

There have to be two WINNERS.

That will mean that each side will have to make sacrifices.

JERUSALEM

Jerusalem is a particularly difficult problem because both nations regard it as their capital.

Most Jews, I understand, do not want to rebuild the Temple on the Temple Mount until the Messiah comes – as the exact site if the old Temple is not certain.

“The most immediate and obvious obstacle to realization of these goals is the fact that two historic Islamic structures which are 13 centuries old, namely the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, are built on top of the Temple Mount. Any efforts to damage or reduce access to these sites, or to build Jewish structures within, between, beneath, beside, cantilevered on top of, or instead of them, could lead to severe international conflicts, given the association of the Muslim world with these holy places.” (Wikipedia)

So the Jews and Palestinians would have to agree to share the land – a two nation land.

And, they would have to agree to share Jerusalem and the Temple Mount.

I know that this is very contentious and feelings run very deep.

But should the sons and daughters of God, albeit they call him different names, not be able share a land and a city?

Is it the extremists on each side that are the problem?

I’m looking forward to readers views.

BILL MULVIHILL EAMON MARTIN AND ISRAEL.

217 replies on “ISRAEL AND PALESTINE???”

The Jews suffered enormously at the hands of evil. Given this they should be acutely more aware of the hardship being imposed on the Palestinians. This in no way justifies the shelling of Jewish people. The situation remains volatile whilst the two protagonists have hardened their stances

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Modeh Ani ;
I give thanks unto You , Adonai, that, in mercy, You have restored my soul within me. Endless is your compassion, great is your faithfulness. I thank You, Adonai, for the rest You have given me through the night and for the breath that renews my body and spirit.
I have been woken by a phone call in relation to what the Bishop has put on the Blog today. I shall observe with forensic interest what is contributed. This Blog will go viral today I predict.
21 new cardinals will be created ( lol lol lol lol) today in Rome. Not since 1807 has a cardinal been appointed in the month of August. Tomorrow Bergoglio heads to Celestine !!! My intuition, wink wink, tells me there will be a papal conclave within 2/3 months ! William Mulvihill

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The Israeli/Palestine conflict is very regrettable. It is a very divisive and complex political, cultural and religious issue with extremists on both sides. We have Muslim, Christian and Jewish beliefs side by side, each claiming ownership for very historical territory. It’s not a situation that can be solved essily. The Al Asqua Mosque, The Dome of the Rock and Jerusslem are the three symbols being fought over and no political or religious entity wants to acquiesce on their perceived rightful symbols.. It is such a beautiful part of the world that divisiveness, conflict, war or enmities are so evil, destructive and a cause of so much death and hatred. The road to unity, agreement and peace is fragile.

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Palestine never existed.
There has never been a nation of Palestine. There was no Palestinian organization until 1964 and no Palestinian cause until 1970. The PLO led by Arafat began the movement of radical Islamic terrorism that exists to this day. Arafat’s men murdered Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics in Munich, Germany.
The Arabs living in Gaza are indigenous to Egypt. Those living in the West Bank are indigenous to Jordan. There is no indigenous Arab population to Israel. The Israelis are not colonizers. There is no “occupied” Palestinian land. When Palestinians refer to the illegal occupation, they are referring to the entire state of Israel.
Palestinians led by Hamas to this day say that their firing of rockets at Israel will end when Israel ends the occupation. What this means is that Palestinians will stop waging war as soon as Israel ceases to exist. Peace is defined as every Jew vacating the land and allowing Arabs to control 100% of it.

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7.21 I ,from historical fact, completely agree with you. Palestinians need a homeland so let the world particularly the USA and the UK work to find it for them…but not on what is Israel. As a humour : if God really loved the Jews, he would have brought them south to where the Arabs now have the oil fields, not north into the desert !!!! Bill Shalom Mulvihill

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The Jewish invasion of Arabic lands, beginning in 1947, forged a nation out of disparate Arab peoples there.

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Have you ever read the book in Hebrew ” When a gift suddenly becomes a loan ” it is an interesting account of the dynamic between humans, the taking of revenge and the defamation of others ? God be with Israel and may he bless the non-violent Palestinians, all who would wipe out the Holy Christian lineage of Holy Places if they had jurisdiction. The oppressed always become the oppressors. Look at Ireland today….the homeless figures are through the roof and young people cannot afford housing, to say nothing of students seeking reasonable accomodation. We are a nation evicted by the British ( whom I also hold in high regard..NOW) so many times and now we are doing it to us own. Simon Coveney is never done having a go at Israel over Palestine….suit him better to see the oppressed on the streets of Cork city or Dublin…..appalling. Shalom, Bill Mulvihill

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No, but I’ve read it in Afrikaans. Brings out the cadence of conceptual depth much more than does Hebrew, and the nuances are stronger.

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9:35 Will you marry me? Mind you, you’d have to learn Afrikaans and speak nothing else. It sends me.

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I sould, of course 10.56, but given my contrary nature, I never learned to speak Afrikaans for ‘I do’.

It is what it is, isn’t it? 🙄

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I spend 420 a month on Vhi for most of my time in Collon and Monasterboice, its 383 per month at the moment…it is punitive to me now but since 1989 I have spent the price of a small house with that company. Don’t start attacking me….I do not have a car or car insurance like you….for the Vhi reason!!!!! WM

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You got a very decent lucrative severance package from the Archdiocese which is shameful considering your behaviour and lack of respect towards those that agreed the package.
You’ve lost all credibility with respect for nothing but Mr John Connelly😉

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I agree, Canon, and today’s letter is no exception. Nobody with any sensitivity to an explosive situation would do that, and along with his spoken support on here of Putin and Trump, well he’s either a fascist or an exercise in trolling.

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100% agree. He’s a most ungrateful whelp I have see on any blog anywhere. He doesnt realise that every letter he publishes further buries his credibility and frankly increases that of Eamon Martin, who was ostensibly as kind as he could be with this renegade.
How in God’s name he was spending 400 odd a month on VHI, for what? That figure is double the cost of standard plan for families now in 2022. Was he attended by 10 virgins in the hospital and served truffles for breakfast?

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7.48: Biill, what has this comment got to do with the issue for today? Are you making belated disclosures abiut income and expenditure? Why? Who’s attacking you?

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10.39 At source the entire universe is a set of chemical elements …we humans become carbon when life is over….all flesh oxidises…we rust like cars; so with comments here, absolutely everything is linked, it is of and in God ! Thats what it has got to do with. That will probably make your brain a bit sore….Panadol or therapeutic weed I suggest…if it is legal where you reside of course !!!! William Mulvihill

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11.47 It was Plan 5 with all plus s and now known as platinum…it was an individual policy and I have only claimed twice….1993 Mater Private two weeks and the Sports Clinic 23 December 2017 for an operation…did not stay in at my own insistence so Hickey could not say I was ill…..so my colossal premiums subsideise s family policies….an actuary will tell you that if you are not taking my word for it !!!! William Mulvihill

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And that’s just the start, 11.13.
Most anthropological oxidation occurs with the atomisation of carbon-neutral elements and their chemical fusion with the elements of soil composition. Electrolysis can accelerate the process through kinetic hydration, a method favoured by Pasteur.
It’s a coin toss which of these molecular diffusions work best on human beings.

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Vhi, what good can I say about it? A monstrous piece, even in the conceptual stage of evolution. But there is change afoot. Keep an eye on the tidings of Bank Holiday Monday.

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I do think there are extremists on both sides. Tit-for-tat does not work. Dialogue is the only solution but one side clearly won’t engage. It would be a huge step to peace in the region

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Did you see the film footage of Ariel Sharon and Yasser Arafat each trying to establish hegemony over the other by refusing to walk through a doorway first? I kid you not. It was human power psychology at work.

Apparently, conceding to a polite gesture that allows you to walk through a doorway ahead of another is a sign of weakness, an unconscious acknowledgement that the other person is stronger, superior. It’s why some women today will not allow a man to hold open a door for them. It’s considered sexist.

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I accept that the problems in Israel / Jerusalem / Palestine seem intractable, and in the meantime many people are hurt and suffer. However, we must bear in mind that both sides are bolstered by religious belief and culture that is patently damaging and undermining of any stability or peace, in that both religious bases are patently simply ridiculous and unbelievable, but also toxic and damaging. However, these two religious underpinnings continue to be responsible for giving people the motivation and excuse to inflict suffering on each other and themselves. The older I get the more ridiculous I see religious belief which constructs simplistic and idiotic constructs of our relationship with a supposed God, each other, and the earth. Both Judaism and Islam, and for that matter Christianity, base their beliefs on an intervention from God some thousands of years ago in a particular part of the world in which he makes a wandering group of shepherd and goat herders his chosen people the focus of his whole supposed plan of salvation. And from that flows the “story” of the Jews, Christians and Muslims, for it really is myth / story invented as they went along. Add on various accretions of contrived and constructed religious nonsense and we arrive at what these various religions beliefs now. In the meantime, inspite of their professed love of God, humanity and each other, they have spent thousands of years slitting each other’s throats, often in the name of the religious belief that they hold. If you want an answer as to why the situation is as it is in the Middle East, as well as in many other places, look to the toxic influence of ridiculous religion. I’m surprised so many people are taken in by it all. It’s just so silly and unbelievable.

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Religion has no doubt complicated the situation. But it is not the heart of the matter. This is about a people who were forcibly removed from their homes -some might call it ethnic cleansing – by a bunch of wealthy foreigners and an army. This is a territory and resource war with some religious sites attached for good measure.

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Resettle the Palestinians in northern Africa.

Offer generous grants, of money and land, funded by the IMF to be repaid with zero interest rates over, say, a 100 year period.

I think it might work.

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I don’t think that that will work.

It will have to be a two nation arrangement on current land.

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12.16

And THAT’S a solution? 🤔

It’s Alice-in-Wonderland, nightmarish surrealism. It has as much chance of success as Bergoglio’s returning to Argentina on a papal visit.

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(1) All illegal Israeli settlements either returned outright to displaced Palestinians or else financially compensated at current rate for land and housing. Whatever Palestinians choose must be enforced even if Israelis lose their homes. They stole them in the first place and are illegal under international law.
(2) Jerusalem designated a city state under UN control. All religions and none welcome. Nobody owns Jerusalem and all holy sites free for all to worship at under international control.
(3) Palestinian controlled areas under new government in Ramallah. All existing Hamas people to resign; entirely new government to be formed with international assistance until elections held. All Palestinian armed groups to decommission weapons; new army to be formed under control from parliament in Ramallah.
(4) Palestinian and Israeli travel through all areas, Palestinian and Israeli, to be unhindered – borders only for administrative purposes.
For starters at least.

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The situation in Israel/Palestine is, as you say, Bishop Pat, very complex.

Could we have a blog soon on current whereabouts of questionable Irish clerical characters?

Also updates on:
Justin Osih
Michael Hogan
Terence Hartley

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‘But should the sons and daughters of God, albeit they call him different names, not be able share a land and a city?’

Precisely. It’s back to the having to be right and dominant thing.

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In the meantime, here’s little titbit from the Dean at St Chad’s Cathedral Birmingham (in spite of national guidelines concerning Covid being very different !) and every other church I know of having returned to normality:
For the purposes of Safety for all concerned, the Cathedral directive is that everybody coming to Mass in the Cathedral wear a face covering which you bring yourself. We accept that this is not required in all churches, but it remains our standard here and if you choose to come here, we respectfully ask you to abide by this standard. If you do not have a recognisable lanyard that says you are medically exempt, then please do not be offended if you are asked more than once to wear a face covering. Our stewards and volunteers are simply doing what has been asked of them to keep this standard of safety in the Cathedral. Please be respectful of their role. If you feel that what we are asking is unreasonable, then you are welcome to choose a church that is more in keeping with your own wishes. We ask that you do not seek to change what we have established here for good reason and which is reviewed regularly.
Time for another review, I think ! Or is it another example of Clerical Instant Wisdom ?!

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It would, 10:50. But it would also make an excellent gurdwara and the crypt would be useful for the langar.

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If this policy gets rid of anti vaxxers and anti maskers with their disease ridden progeny, it can only be good.

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Only pensioners go to the New Mass. In 20 years time St Chad’s will be a carpet showroom, mosque, gurwara, HTB plant, weddings venue or a Wetherspoon’s.

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2:28 If, as you claim, only pensioners go to the new mass they deserve the added protection of a mask.
The key here is being considerate of other people’s safety, something your (alleged) attachment to the old mass has not given you. We who are pro-life protect all lives.
Didn’t think that one through did you?

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SSE increase their energg 100 % renewable by nearly 40 per cent.
The price of wind and sunlight goes up.

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9.32 don’t worry Padre, expenditure will be prioritised to ensure maximum spotlight is maintained l on current unresolved wrong doings.

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Does Eamon Martin sanction the flying of Irish tricolours in Northern Ireland on what he calls ‘diocesan property? He clearly does in the Republic of Ireland.

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I am reminded of Conrad Noel+ placing an Irish tricolor in a prominent place in his Dearmerite inspired church. Indeed I saw a film of a service with Conrad vested in cope and I could clearly see the flag. He also had Soviet banners too. I suppose there was a perpetual ‘Stir Up Sunday’ in Thaxted.

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Seraphim, the memories you bring back. I will go and see if I have a copy of Songs of Praise tucked away.
I regret never having been to Primrose Hill.

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That was to fool Irish Travellers into thinking that it was a Catholic church. Not very ethical, that.

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Some of today’s comments have nothing to do with Israel/Palestine so I will also take the liberty of diverging. Remember Pat’s blog on pedophile child molester Tony Walsh from June 25, 2021? Looks like Tony has gotten another 4 years added on to his sentence. If that monster is ever released, he should be castrated.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/paedophile-singing-priest-tony-walsh-sentenced-to-further-four-years-in-prison-over-indecent-assault-of-three-schoolboys-41858613.html

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Yeah, it’s funny how the clergy’s energies are expended bitching at Bill Mulvihill and not at their own church’s criminal activities.

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10.46 Well said. Clergy absolutely hate William Mulvihill and anyone else they can personally identify as posing what they perceive to be a threat to their widespread, ongoing participation and strenuous support in the numerous cover ups of past & current church related wrong doing that continues to be a significant source of wealth creation for the Roman Catholic Church whether that be in avoiding settlement of claims by victims & survivors or adding to church property portfolios.

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If clergy hate WM, they are only continuing what happened in Maynooth, where WM was notably unpopular.

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Not in the least. But I am laughing at those lay people who are expressing dismay at the triumphant – sounding ‘National Synthesis’.

Why lay people agree to take part in the synodal process when they must have known that any radical calls for departure from Church teaching and tradition would be stoutly resisted by the bishops? Lay involvement simply gave legitimacy and respectability to a process that would always, from start to finish, be under the management (who am I kidding?) the control of the bishops.

It is as though the Vatican had instructed: Let them have a good old gripe; get it out of their system; and then we’ll decide what’s what.

Jam always tomorrow. Only crumbs for today.

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However…..my view is that many laity has long since given up on listening to the hierarchy and any ‘official line’. They have taken note of the experience of their own lives and families, and have integrated all kinds of different situations, issues, problems and relationships in to their lives and coped with it. They come up with their own solutions and ways of living. For the hierarchy this is terminally dangerous. As any wise general will do on a battlefield, where he moves around and surrounds resistance and cuts it off so that it withers and moves forward leaving it behind, so the laity are doing with the hierarchy. They move around it, leave it behind, ignore it and move on. The hierarchy is becoming and will become irrelevant. People will move on. They already have. So, what the hierarchy does with the synodal process is in part already irrelevant. Their power and influence is withering. The move is happening. Bye bye, bishops and priests !

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10:01 Absolutely. However the answer to your question is that the people who took part don’t have the clear insight into the reality that you do.
That said, the only way they’ll get it is by exercises where they will be confronted with the reality they are refusing to see, so maybe the synod will have that positive outcome. 😆

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Precisely, 11:16. That’s why they have their knickers in a twist ranting about CINOs and lack of catechesis.
The irony is they can’t see that it is the clergy themselves who have made their congregation Protestant, by their behaviour, and further exercises of clerical privilege and control will do more of the same.
The only exception to this is the loony home schooling ‘trad’ fringe, and do I even need to say the word Silverstream as the exemplar of what they’re about,

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3.32 As I said before, you are Donal O Neill, Manus Bradley or Mons. Eamonn Fitzgibbon. I was the first elected to most committees in my class, declined them all so they fell to Donal O Neill excerpt for my election as speaker for my class and MC for the evening for the 4th Divine Hosting of the Christmas dinner….that was a huge honour …not given too the unpopular….I asked the brightest and most acerbic to help me write the texts; Manus Bradley, he was gracious, helpful and happy to do it. It was a great success. I was president of the history society…in my last year they wanted me as president of the JP2 Theological Society…Clancy asked me to stand aside so Leona Barton could be elected for the puposes of her CV ….I did….she married Michael Connolly of Redmills Horse Foods….a friend of mine for many many years. Bill Mulvihill

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Why is Manus Bradley in Canada? With a shortage of priests in Derry surely he should be at home?

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8.27 Cop yourself on ya big eejit. It’s a big bad exciting world out there, why not Canada, Derry can wait, Father! Maple syrup anyone? 🍁

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Pat,
first to part of your intro:
”And of course, Palestine is compounding the problem by shelling Israel causing Israel to retaliate with killings.”
You conveniently left out the fact that Palestinian attacks are almost always a response to Israeli fcuk-acting, like building new (illegal) settlements, torture of prisoners, murder of journalists and anal examinations of Palestinian grannies by the IDF. Never mind the basic obvious fact that Israel is occupying Palestine.
@Historically Challenged @7.21
The area has been Palestinian since before the New Testament. The Bible itself – the last book I’d rely on -mentions Philistines repeatedly. After Muslim occupation in the 8th century the existing non-Jewish population became Muslim. They are locals. Just not Jews. Not only that for five hundred years prior to 1921 the area is referred to as the Ottoman province of Palestine. Dont forget for 500 years Ireland was a province of England and Wales and later Britain. Does that mean our shower should clear off and let the Unionists have the whole island? And if we are going to go back to the Stone Age, shouldnt the US be given back to the Cheyenne and the Sioux?
If nobody was there in the 1930s and the Jews just walked in, how come about 3 million locals became refugees and at least 100,000 were murdered by the Stern Gang and the Israeli army in 1947? Did these people, who call themselves Palestinian, not exist and simply appear out of nowhere with suitcases in Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria?

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Your comment reminds me of the Afrikaners’ claim that they are the aboriginal inhabitants of South Africa because there was ‘nobody’ there when they arrived. I don’t know much about Israel and Palestine but every time I come across it I am struck how clear the comparison to apartheid South Africa is.

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10.53 You know why the Maori are indigenous in New Zealand, when their ancestors arrived from Hawaii and the other Pacific islands they butchered and annihilated the peoples already there…..the oppressed become the oppressors as Enda Mc Donagh constantly used as a mantra in class….a very good man…rest in peace Holy Priest Enda….for in this life the RCC was cruel to you in structure. No siesta today !!!!!!

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Only in a Billian worldview could Enda McDonagh be described as oppressed. He spent his whole life in faded splendour in Maynooth, waited on hand, foot and finger in one of the biggest apartments in the college.

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They’ve been there since the seventeenth century arriving in the land when there were few south of the Limpopo other than Bushmen. They did a good job. That cannot be said of the ANC and its communist rule.

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3.35 You were clearly never in his apartments. In 1988, he did not have enough book shelves for his books…they were in piles stacked on the floor. He was a very good man….and humble unlike the rest of us….except he had no need to be…He was a Giant of a Christian.

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I was in them, Bileen, and I was in his bedroom. He had a single bed and a triangular pillow. He had also taken over three student bedrooms in New House and added them to his apartment and got the door extended down the corridor.

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12.03
I suppose I should have said that we live in ‘the Sticks’. (Actually, it’s more the-back-end-of-nowhere, really.)
Our nearest neighbours are the natives of the Fairy Thorn in the middle of the field adjoining our property.
Territorial? Jeez! You bet they are! But we stay well away from them, and they from us, to give them their due. It works well, this mutual respect. (Or maybe it’s mutual antipathy. Who knows? But it works.)
So, why would we ‘up sticks’ (a vulgar-sounding idiom, I always thought 🙄) and migrate to Syria? I ask you. A silly suggestion by that other poster.

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What’s terrible about it? The Palestinians would have their own territory; no Israeli settlers to trouble them.

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12.04 Educate yourself. There has been a continuous Jewish presence in the Land of Israel.
Talmudic Age: The Romans did not exile the Jews. Post-revolt synagogues dotted the land. The misnah and Palestinian Talmud were written. The Romans recognized the Patriarch as the community’s head until the fifth century.
The Muslim Dynasties: The Jews were still there.
Crusader rule: The Jews fought at Jerusalem, and held the Crusaders off — alone at Haifa — for a month.
The Mamluks: the Jews were still there — in their four holy cities and elsewhere.
The 400 years of Ottoman Turk rule: The Jews were still there, becoming Jerusalem’s majority during this time.

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10.12 There is no such thing as an Israeli settler. The Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel and have the right to aspire to a United Israel just like the “native” Irish have the right to aspire to a United Isle of Ireland.

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The question we’re all wondering is if you think a comment is terrible and is clearly calculated to offend and cause trouble like this one is, WHY PUBLISH IT?????

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11.46
No they aren’t. They migrated there from various countries after WWII, and violently drove native Arabs from their lands. It is what the Irish tried to do with the unionist natives in Northern Ireland.

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A free history lesson for Todd Unctious. As for his idea that the religious sites in Jerusalem be open to all, the Muslims won’t allow non-Muslims into the Dome of the Rock, the same as they don’t allow non-Muslims to set foot in Mecca.
Finally, what does Todd think about the treatment of gay people in the Palestinian Authority area? There’s a Tel Aviv Pride. Trying having that in “Palestine”.
http://www.israeladvocacy.net/knowledge/the-truth-of-how-israel-was-created/was-there-ever-a-country-called-palestine/

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@11.34 the Jews defended the Holy Land from the Crusaders?
Are you taking the piss?
Ever heard of Saladin?

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@ 1.06 you quoting from a website called ‘Israeli Advocacy’😀
Not touching the three million refugees issue? Didnt think so.

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That really is a horrible thing to say. Palestinians and Jews should be able to live in peace. Its no different to Catholics and Protestants. You know where this war on our island got us? Nowhere. Only devastation on both sides. Yes ireland will be once united again in my lifetime, but not because of the sword.

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Where did Marcella go? Marcella, necessity is the mother of invention, and I think that you were you invented to antagonise & harass one of the victims featured on this blog. A question for you Marc: Does the clerical person, who you are protecting on this blog, pay for the petrol to and from Limerick & Tipp with the “tips” he received/is receiving from the anonymous benefactor or has the money be returned? An honest question Marc. I await your answer.

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11.10: Thank you for recognising my “necessity” by noticing my absence. What a compliment!!..💖💖..But sorry to play down my relevance. Like many commenters I entered into the fun, drama and dynamics of the Karen/Ger show purely from the information shared by all protagonists. Hilarious fun was had by many in creating character names, as in my beloved “Marcella”!! Limerick and Tipp are world a away from my world and such actors and actresses do not exist in my ordered universe. I’d lock them up in my garden shed…and feed them rabbit food (through different troughs of course!!)🥕🥕🥕🍎🍎🍎🐇🐇🐇🐇…The only tips I receive are in my OAP allowances.. and as for protecting men in collars or “ladies” in waiting – too much hassle for my age. Though I quite enjoy the comedy of the central characters, Lady Chatterly’s Lovers and Jilly Cooper are more my type. The “Dandies” and the “Bunties” playing out their fantasies has long passed the sell by date! Au revoir monsieur/madame. Je suis en Paris maintenant et je vais a Barcelona le Lundi…The Seine sure throws up some beauties…Mon Dieu! 👠👜👒👢👠👠👠…

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As a man who reads this blog will recognise his comment : we were sitting together watching the footage from a consistory many years ago; he quipped ” I wonder how many of those new cardinals will sleep alone tonight?” I can tell you the Italian from Mongolia…and he is a looker….will not !!!! William Mulvihill

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I can tell you now, Bill, that was not the modus operandi of most prelatial consistory celebrants. It did offer a tangential opportunity for ecumenical diversity. Alas, there was no serendipitous convergence, which restricted any means for exploration.

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One gifted soul has said that America’s power in the world will become that of a village. If that happens, Israel will be no more.

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11:06am says “go back to their native countries”. Would you say that about immigants to Europe and if not, why not? Why is it only Jews who have to “go back”?

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Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Most of the so-called Palestinians are immigrants from Arab countries.

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11.06 Israel is the only homeland for the Israelites and always has been for over 3000 years. The fact that the Waqf has been destroying the Temple Mount antiquities is a systematic attempt to destroy any evidence of a Jewish connection to the Temple Mount.
https://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp483.htm

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3.02pm Lol, there’s been a fair bit of distress and disorder caused by immigrants to Europe, and I’m not talking about Jews, Sikhs, Hindus or people from the Caribbean.

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Because, 12.58, their presence is causing such division, distress, and disorder. It isn’t the same for European immigrants, now is it?

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Pat, you sound like the Ukrainians interviewed on the first day of the Russian invasion. They were shocked. They assumed it would never happen, and acted accordingly. Those who criticised Mrs Higgins recently are acting in the same way.

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12.00 Nonsense comment. The Jewish people will never, ever leave Israel in the same way that victims and survivors of Roman Catholic Church related abuse will never, ever surrender to the ongoing vile harassment and intimidation executed by self interested volunteers, clericals and their dodgy benefactors.

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Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, in Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed (Romans 9:6-8). Jesus Christ … is the new law, and the new covenant, and the expectation of those who out of every people wait for the good things of God. For the true spiritual Israel, and the descendants of Judah, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham (who in uncircumcision was approved of and blessed by God on account of his faith, and called the father of many nations), are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ.

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Out of all the countries in the world, many of which have appaling human rights records, why do lefties obsess about Isreal? Is it the anti-Semetism, sich as the rampant Jew-hate that has disfigured eg the British Labour Party?

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And the same lefties believe in open borders, that diversity is our strength and that the European homelands should be open to all, yet Jews and told to leave Israel!

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I’m always surprised at how much anti-Semetism there is in Ireland, especially on the Left, given that Ireland isn’t a Lutheran country.

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Robert Nugent is complaining on his latest video how a priest in confession wasn’t interested in listening to his confession about his masturbation.

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1.41 I have a Steve Mc Queen designer scarf …its imprint is the Union Jack…I am proud to wear it. I am probably the only citizen of the Republic of Ireland who would hand the 26 counties back to Her Majesty with a sincere apology for how we have conducted its affairs: rent, homelessness, evictions !! I also said in Church on becoming an Aussie citizen that I was disappointed that the Oath to the Queen was gone because my father who was still alive then would have quite a shuffle in his wheelchair if I told him what I had done. There are two races on Earth who have always looked after their own, to the detriment of others : The Jews and The British, for that I greatly admire both. I hope that answers your question. William Mulvihill…and honoured that an English King will soon bear my name again!!!!

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You know something, I tend not to like you, Mulvihill, but your post at 12.58 is impelling me, as a Northern Ireland unionist, to re-evaluate my opinion of you.

Respect, bro. 👍

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Unlike Bill, I am an Irishman. I would prefer to see a NEW IRELAND rather than a UNITED IRELAND.

I have no objection to anyone having their native flag on their coffin.

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Thats a reasonable comment…its put very well. I do class myself as an irishman …small i….I am a European !! Capital E

Bill >

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‘looked after their own, to the detriment of others : … The British’
You really, really are trolling now.
The only other possibility is that you have literally no understanding of any of the subjects you pontificate on, and no insight into your lack.
Currently my only regret (I am a British citizen) is that my Irish relatives are too far removed for me to be eligible for an Irish passport, and age and illness have made me ineligible for immigration elsewhere.
I hope that when Scotland and Wales become independent they are ready for the steady flow of asylum seekers from England who are forced to go there because the sea is impassable.
Your utter ignorance of the subjects you opine on combined with your certainty that you are right, suggests a clear remnant of priestly privilege which you continue to hold.

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12.58 “I resign but I refuse to apologise for being a landlord”!!
The arrogance of Irish elites knows no boundaries whilst they feed off the public blood like hungry ticks.

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William Ulsterman: I suspect Bill would be happy to fly any flag and support any nation or view which causes offence or distress.

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2.30 How very predictable of your sort. I would not fly the Rainbow Flag….I do not like how it delineates us from the general population. Straights should be made have a Flag,….that would be logic!!!!!!

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I am in agreement with Bill on this. I do not want to be designated as “different”.

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You wouldn’t fly a rainbow flag 🏳️‍🌈 because you don’t want to be viewed as different but you would fly a Union Flag or Israeli flag??
Do you see what I’m getting at here?
All the indications are that you deliberately seek to be different and not because you have profoundly held beliefs that make you different but because you deliberately court contrarian views to provoke a reaction. In modern parlance – you are a troll, sir.
I love the rainbow flag and what it stands for and I am proud to wear it or be seen carrying it. I remember what it once stood for – it has been appropriated by the lunatic woke fringe and its currency is cheapened by its appearance everywhere and on everything and it’s appropriation by the lunatic trans fringe – one day we will claim back what is ours.
And a final address to Pat. You don’t want to be seen to be different- so stop wearing your clerical collar which sets you apart as different.

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Cyberpunk, I am who I am ( Lol….its a great song). I don’t need you to like it/me. You are not as clever as you think you are….your edginess is illusory to you. Now, Buena Domenica a voi !!!! Mistake…yes….deliberate….but you don’t speak Italian or Spanish ?

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Edginess – me? I am flattered. Lol.
I have no idea what my liking or not liking you has to do about anything. I’d need to meet you and chat face to face several times before I’d be able to discern how I felt about you but I’m not seeing that happening any time soon.
I don’t claim to be clever but I’m reasonably well educated and actually my Spanish is quite good. My Italian virtually non existent.
You have a good weekend too. X

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2.28 The privileges of ministry are unappreciated generally. It is at distance I can see them all: it is lovely way to be with people. Unfortunately the structures and abuse of power in ministry are putrid. I would not want any privilege back, the human cost: skin on skin etc are too high, entirely dysfunctional.

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@Cyberpunk 3.10 excellent comment.
I would have thought Bill would be keeping the head down after the recent post where he made an absolute tit of himself and made Eamon Martin looked like a champion of decency and fair play. Neck like a jockey’s nuts.
It certainly appears that Bill’s whole mantra is to be contrarian with absolutely no thought put into his views. I daresay he hasnt a word of any of the languages of the countries he criticises. He recently called the Spanish a nationality with empire mentality. I know a load of Spanish and have never felt that from them. He is both a Trump and Putin fan and thinks the Ukraine war is Biden’s fault.
Pat could you make a post for Bill to waffle in so we can all avoid it?

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3.10
So, you’re transphobic. Can you see where this going about you?
If the Rainbow Flag stands for anything, it isn’t the petulant display of exclusion demonstrated here, so shamelessly, by you. It stands for inclusion, excepting no one, even, ironically, you, and people who think just like you.

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2.43 Bishop Buckley, again; Eucharistomen. Bill Siesta time for one hour…I shall dream of the beaches of Tel Aviv and a few of the Israeli population who inhabit same beaches !!!!!

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3.46 I am what I am….Shirley Bassey sings it best of all…..and I am happy out…though Brady told me once that life is not about happiness….and everybody wants one of those.

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2.59 They will take anybody now….contact Fr. Peter Mc Anenly in Armagh Parish, he is the Donations Director….sperm ones….you won’t need them any more.

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3.46 Thank you Cyberpunk…you have a good weekend too…..civility between us, even though you have cast me in Game of Thrones which since I have familiarised myself with… Would meet you anytime for the first time….unlike my receptiveness to the lowest of the Primates !!! The Irish Church ones !!!! Lol

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@3:10 I’m not sure pat wants to be different because he wears a collar??? Like any people educated in any disabline deserve to have that tag. Docs, nurses, vets, scientists I don’t think that makes anyone different or better than you or I?

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5.03 That was not Harvey Milks idea….you clown….go put a bit of effort in before you pronounce from your ignorance please .

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4.05 Burt Reynolds took off his hat for only one thing he declared on film….I only go down for one thing now….gone are profound bows and genuflections ! But I do go down. My head does go down for your ease…..

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3.46 I have been told that a few times in recent years but only getting out of the bed…it was complimentary. WM

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I have never flown a flag or put one up inside that I have not had a visitor from that country….except the Papal flag for confirmations…though i would only use it in front of the toilet bowl as a mat now. When Sean Brady visited for a meal in Collon, I had his flag on the flagpole for my wishes towards him of hospitality. I cancelled my dinner invitation to Eamon Martin in early July 2018 and have the emails to prove the invite, the acceptance and the cancellation. At that point I was the only priest in the diocese to invite him for a meal outside the sacramental gatherings of clergy, period. William Mulvihill

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3,48 I think he would prefer such a plate than face the like of Mc Aleer or Mc Ginn….even Sweeney !!!!! Seaweed is therapeutic….but Samphire is NOT seaweed !!!!

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I think this comment is one of the maddest things I’ve ever read. Your parishioners must have heaved a sigh of relief when you fucked off.

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2.43: Sadly Pat, you are different and proudly so. The gay community need enlightenment about language..they make us all “different”.

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Clog the blog Bill at it again with Pat’s usual nod of approval, despite his statement about sticking to the topic.

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There should be a little roped off section in the comments, just for Bileen, in which he can expatiate endlessly and incoherently, day and night.

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2:50 Honestly that would be a good move.
Hey Pat, how about a special page on the blog just for Bill’s thoughts, so he can demonstrate how they progress?
I’d be interested to read it.

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4.36 And she was all human and all woman….A Great Lady….and a wonderful Host and Entertainer….a Raconteur par excellence ….I never met her….I would have liked to…Marion Margoylles whom I love would be Mo s understudy !!!!

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Bishop, the gods have always smiled on you….at that lunch was present the very best of masculinity and femininity, equi present in both people because of their rounded mature humanity. Bill

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Who, Pat, Mo Mowlam or Miriam Morgoles? That would have been heaps of fun in either case.

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Trump thought his son in law could sought out the Israel v Palestinian conflict and win a Nobel Peace Prize – that world out well.
Zionism seems to me the strain of Judaism which treats the people of Palestine – I don’t think a true son or daughter of Israel thinks like a Zionist.

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William at 4:00 For one mad moment I was going to ask how you actually identify your nationality but I won’t, because I wouldn’t get a sensible answer.
You are like a ‘clever’ (but not intelligent) schoolboy who always has a retort for the teachers but can’t sustain a sensible discussion.
Were you always like this or did something happen to make you regress to, oooh, about seventeen?

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4.51: Mr. Mulvihill is trapped somewhere between the womb and late childhood. Never grew past these stages. He is an unsettled man, trucullent, divisive, contrarian and arrogant. His enigmatic style is pitiable – all over the universe, meandering and confused. Still he kicks a very nasty punch. And hurts far too many.

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4.51 God bless you….as you may or may not know I am 57 going on 58 in November. No matter who we are at 17 or 19…or whatever….but at my age, the wisest of scholars and medics in the field would say that at 37, we fixate for the rest of our lives…sexually and every other tangent to the human condition….so it happened at 37 I think. Again God be with your evident maturity….which is very hard as a human being and infinitely more difficult for a gay man ( society stacked against it in so many ways.) ….and so well adjusted you seem. You are blessed by Him. Shalom. WM

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Yes, that’s exactly the kind of answer I meant.
The casual observer of your relationship with Pat Buckley can clearly see how this is going to go.

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Yes, Pat. Bill is unboundaried and has already ignored your advice not to publish his letters, but has nonetheless had you publish them on your blog. He says things which are ridiculous, nonsensical, shocking, socially unacceptable and if not calculated to offend, show no restraint or self awareness. I would be surprised at nothing because he is so unstable – eg recently he had you announce he would never comment again but was back in a matter of hours.
Clearly what will happen is that he will continue to violate boundaries to the point he actually does go off in a huff, or he tries even your famed tolerance to the point where you have to ban him.

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4.28: Millie, not from Australia….Zululand!! Hope Pat will continue to feed your ego and narcissism by giving you a free platform for you to publicly demonstrate how to breakdown so foolishly and embarrassingly. If you have family, you disgrace them by your erratic behaviour. You certainly escaped the formators in Maynooth…sadly. In a calm and sober moment, read back over your comments: you may be “shocked” into an awareness of your utter infantilic nonsense. You say your 57 – I dread to think of you living the rest of your life so recklessly and idiotically. Then, you have Pat !!!!!

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4.51
Yet another typical Double Dodger comment from a parish dodging/classroom dodging clergyman/teacher!

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9.21am
Why do you think the Dean of St Chads is so strict on masks and COVID 19 – Mass attendance is next to nothing and social distancing is easy in that cavernous she’ll.
What’s going on? Is the Dean a control freak? A hygiene freak? Or simply just a sweet natured, easy going, laid back Dean!!!!!

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4:53 has already given the obvious explanation by saying ‘only’ the elderly go to the new mass. He is merely trying to make trouble for the dean – must have been turned down.

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Can the person who said above that I have hurt people please have the dignity to name themselves and then name someone whom I have hurt, apart form clergy and C. Nee that I have named here….and the usual cohort in any parish where its invariably 50/50 for and against ? ……..according to the oldest and wisest priest in the Archdiocese od Armagh who is since I got to know him through Tommy Mc Geough RIP ( a company man) an exceptional priest and the kindest of hearts. Bradley is his own man and my number one priest apart from P BUCKLEY in the levitical lineage of Jesus Christ , the son of a Rabbi and the Son of God. Bill Mulvihill

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So far, Bill has made 31 comments…18.9%…or thereabouts. So much for moderating multiple comments!! Pat – you have a preference for Mulvihill. Wonder Why?

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Bill posts anonymously, too. His writing style gives him away almost every time. So, more than 31 comments.

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6.56 I seldom do and never lately. My style I assure you is for a reason…none of your business ….but I am well schooled ….sure why has it brought such notoriety ? Lol Lol Lol Lol Lol Lol Lol Lol Lol ( now thats new !!!)

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‘My style I assure you is for a reason…none of your business’
So if it’s none of his business don’t do it on a public blog.
This would be simple good manners.

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6.01 I hope Bishop Buckley you might with your urbanity and grace answer the good mans/ womans valid question. With my blessing and affection Pat and Eduardo, Bill+

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6.59 CS Lewis in his work The Four Loves classified the same in four….the purest is Friendship…for in Friendship which can be present in the other three: Eros, Agape and Affection, because with friendship, it is always looking outwards towards the other/ others. May I recommend it to your prurient mind !

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I have no sexual interest in Bill whatsoever. He is not my type.

We are friends and I care for him and about him.

We spent 10 hours together two days ago.

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8.15: Spending 10 hours together over two days explains now why you give Bill so much preference over all others. Bill is a fountain of info but distorts, manipulates and abuses that information to denigrate and vilify others. Much the same as Pat does. Two rotten peas in a pod. Pat, you’re clever at manipulating others into your web – for information that’s useful for your agenda. All very weird.

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I’ll take William Mulvihill’s entertaining and informative comments any day over the likes of that shite that Flurry Gin wrote on yesterday’s blog.

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@3:10 I’m not sure pat wants to be different because he wears a collar??? Like any people educated in any disabline deserve to have that tag. Docs, nurses, vets, scientists I don’t think that makes anyone different or better than you or I?

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That extract from Wikipedia says it all about Islam as a religion of ‘peace’. Any Jewish structure or influence on the Temple Mount would lead to serious international conflict around the world because this is a Muslim holy site?
I don’t know why the Israelis don’t just wipe those Muslim structures right the face of the earth.
Islam is NOT a religion of peace.

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8.07 Benedict 16 was correct…..and had to apologise to satiate the ignorant and uneducated in Arabic text. Notwithstanding , the writings of Aristotle et al would have been lost forever if they had not been housed in Arabic to then be recovered by the language of the West. That is; Christian Theology would not be wha it is today without Islam and Arabic, period. William Mulvihill

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Any body want to know the ingredients to my Risotto this evening with convivial company with a Red and a White….between contributions here of course. I prepared the stock on Wednesday last and had it boiled each day. Magnificent evening…time for the Divan….sadly no company between the sheets….tonight!!!!

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43 comments from Bill so far.
How to spot a troll:
‘Many times, you’ll notice that they keep replying to the same thread or they argue with a lot of different people over a similar topic. Check if anyone else has replied with answers or solutions and if the account still responded negatively. If they continue being contrarian despite being given a clear answer, they’re a troll just looking to make people upset.’
‘Trolls never seem to take a break from commenting on posts. Look through the person’s profile history to see how frequently they’ve posted. Since most trolls are online for most of the day, they usually will write posts and share information multiple times throughout the entire day. If you see they shared a handful of posts within an hour, they could be a troll. If the posts are spaced out by a few hours or days, the account is more likely to be legitimate.’
‘If you notice all of their posts seem rushed and don’t use proper grammar, they may be trolling you.’
Conclusion: William is a troll.

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