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THE SYNODAL WAY OR THE CYNICAL WAY?

Readers have been asking me to do a blog about the RCC’s so called Synodal Way.

Since Vatican II the RCC all over the world has been producing thousands upon thousands of reports that eventually ended up gathering dust on shelves all over the world.

It’s always about talking and there is never any action.

“All cackle and no egg”.

The cynical purpose behind the Synodal Way is to invite people to talk, to give them the impression that they are being listened to, that they have a real say, and then to put the report on a shelf and get back to business as usual.

Do you really think the pope is going to share his power with Mrs Murphy of Mulberry Way?

Do you really think that the Roman Curia is going to share its power with the Ballydehob Pastoral Council?

Do you really think that Phonsie is going to ask the Waterford branch of the Association of Catholic Priests to help him govern Waterford?

Do you really think that the papal nuncio is going to allow the progressive lay group – We Are Church – to help him choose bishops?

There is an old saying in Rome: “Do what you want with women, men and children, but never challenge the POWER”.

The RCC is about clerics weilding the power, controlling the money and regarding morality and moral rules for the laity alone.

It’s been like that for at least 15 centuries.

Do you really think that is going to change?

Of course, things on the ground are changing – fewer priests, nearly no seminarians, very few under 60s attending Mass.

This will force certain changes – closing parishes, amalgamating parishes, fewer Masses, laity conducting baptisms, weddings and funerals etc.

But the power and the money will stay in the bishops palaces and the priests houses.

Who knows – in time to come celibacy could be optional and even women could be ordained?

These married and women priests will be allowed to do the donkey work – if there is donkey work to be done.

But the POWER will stay where it is and always has been.

The hierarchs and the clerics have betrayed the People of God.

A number of years ago I visited the death bed of a Belfast man called Gerry Reynolds – a man who was a daily Mass goer, a man who had been a Legion of Mary lay missionary and a long term Catholic youth worker. With tears in his eyes he said: “Our priests and our Church has let us down badly”.

A NEW WAY?

Christianity will survive.

“The memory of Jesus is both sacred and subversive”.

We might see a return to Basic Christian Comminities modelled on the early church?

The clericilization of the Sacraments and especially Holy Orders was a disaster for Faith and Church.

Going forward Catholic Christians will have to revisit that clericalization under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

For God, all things are possible.

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129 replies on “THE SYNODAL WAY OR THE CYNICAL WAY?”

Pat, you talked of dwindling attendance at RCC Masses (beyond me why people would go anyway). Though out of interest, what’s the demographic of a usual Oratory service? Young/old? Male/female? Straight/LGBT+? Black/white? Etc.

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At least the cold fish has not been ordained a bishop! I was dreading he would end up here in East Anglia!

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Trying not to be cynical, but when you look back at the aggiornamento we were told would bring ‘a new springtime for The Church’ and all the other renewals! since then, we cannot but be cynical. I’m afraid the ‘Profits of Doom’ as Roncalli called them, were right, we only need to read this blog to see that. Fanny is now trying to finish the job with this Synodal Way, may this pernicious influence soon depart.🙄😏

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11.32 why are parishes building new office space when churches three quarters empty at most advertised gatherings. It’s going like the HSE closing down wards & turning them into offices. Is this to house all the new lay management and members of Synod?

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11.32 Damn Cheeky question. A big part of the reason people from various demographic do not attend mass is because it gives nosey and predatory priests and their toxic cathbots the mistaken notion they might get away with sticking their penis or their noses where they definitely are most unwelcome. Disgusting to be in church & to be eyed up from the altar by over-interested clerics looking for local fill ins between treks to the priests saunas.

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Corrie Ten Boom? Used to have her books, including ‘Not Good If Detached’.
She was a wonderful spiritual influence. Made God less a remote abstraction, and more a hands-on father.
She died in 1983.
God rest her soul.

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Pat, it’s a shame you didn’t read any material about the Synodal Pathway. I expected you you be your usual cynical self. The seminars and gatherings in parishes were useful and worthwhile. They offered people an opportunity to highlight their concerns, questions and criticisms of much of Church teachings and doctrines. Yes, very radical suggestions were made and hopefully some will be listened to with respect. Change, as we know, in the Church, happens slowly. It’s easy to be cynical but not always easy to respond to a modern world. At the end of the day those of us entrusted with the care of parishes are the ones, along with committed lay people who will effect the pastoral changes necessary to make our parishes more caring, inclusive, welcoming and Christ-like. Thankfully most parishes have people of great calibre and integrity who desire to build up their parish community. This work is ongoing and requires time, prayerful reflection and training when required. The only barrier to creating renewed Christian communities in our parishes is the indifference and cynicism espoused by you. We know only too well that many many people feel betrayed and let down by some priests, not all , and by church leadership. That’s why we need to continue our efforts to ensure the rightful place for all the lay faithful. Though the task is enormous we must trust that we’ll be guided by the Holy Spirit. I think it’s sad that you, Pat, have written this piece so deliberately negative that you’ll get what you desire: similar cynicism and twisted narratives like yours. Perhaps you should gaze your eyes beyond the Oratory gate and acknowledge the great efforts of many parishes to truly KEEP THE SACRED MEMORY OF JESUS ALIVE!!

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12.14

Sorry for this, but you sound like a poorly written flyer full of forlorn clichés about forthcoming events that you know need to be talked up, but which most others already accept will be an extravagant waste of time.

You are trying to pass off fools’ gold as the real thing.

Complaints have already been made that the so-called ‘National Synthesis’ for England and Wales is very much a tamer representation, by will of the bishops, of the submissions to the Synodal Pathway from local levels.

The ‘con’ is already being exposed, long before dispatches reach Rome.

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9:41 I don’t think it is, there’s a lot less capitalisation. In fact not one out of place. It’s not Brenda, either, she doesn’t exist but it’s 11 so the troll’s woken up. 11:14 is a priest, and a ‘safe pair of hands ‘ who also is adept at giving the impression of being a bit rad, to the tips of his fingers as they poke out of his Gamarelli.

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10.51 No, Brenda, you are not when all you do is give out about our lovely holy priests.

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1.25 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Holy Priests, where are they? Is that the name of the new double act at the Boiler House??
You full of Puff allright, a poisonous fish spreading venomous porky pies.

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Johnbhoy is far too busy to even read the blog he finally caught on it is anti Catholic and like his Daisy friends they ignore the blog.
He will likely be helping Geraldine out the Cathedral to Clydebank the day or Peter to Dumbartonshire.
Johnbhoy never has gas a man or woman he lives the single life and that is 100% factual even the tribunal found this out.
Just offer ur rosary for him but it’s different beads you like a necklace.

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12.14 the lay people in the parishes have so much pride and integrity that they are anonymous creeps spreading false narratives to protect church finances! The usual display of Mafia like non transparency. Of course these qualified professionals are aware that once they are named on parish websites as part of parish management pastoral & synod, they will be fully “accountable”, so much easier for them to sneak about under the radar at present.

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Exactly, Pat. And the sign that the church was actually repentant for the abuse would be that that power is dismantled.
Nothing else will do, and nothing else will signify the church has changed.

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Vast majority of regular Catholics had nothing to do with the Synod. They had no interest in it. Mass goin catholics or even Catholics who occasionally go to mass have no interest in how the church does its business . That’s the job of the Pope and the Bishops . The ordinary catholic decides what’s for them . The synod was taken over by the political types, the mc allese types . Nothing to do with the ordinary 5/8 ‘s .

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Seanie at 12.49pm
Whats the point of contributing it re synod to homosexual bishops, cardinals promoted cos enablers of abuse and protectors of predatory one’s, covered up financial embezzlement et al.
Priests at lower levels aren’t saying but kept stum.

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12.29 most clergy unprepared to speak out or to leave are just sitting about kicking their heels, they hope to retire & will be fed, housed & watered by the RCC until the end of their natural lives in return for their complicity. The 2 legged RCC cabal stable. Pass the nosebag & horse nuts! 🌰

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Absolutely correct Seanie, not only did ordinary catholics have nothing to do with the Synod process, most ordinary priests didn’t get involved either. And why not? Simply because we don’t believe anything will change. In the Irish context, this synod stuff is a smokescreen. I have spent 35 years in ministry and it’s simply getting worse. There might be some laity involvement at parish level but, it goes no further than that. Most catholics have walked away and the bishops still talk about getting them back. Your Lordships……the people are not coming back! The Church is dying, face reality.

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2.23 correct, the RCC hierarchy & their lay elites with highly vested interests are the only ones interested in the Synod, no prizes for guessing why!

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“To those of you who at best feel that you are on the margins of the Church, or at worst feel excluded from the Church, I say, “the Church needs to hear your voice!” I ask for your honesty. Do not be afraid to share your pain or to articulate that which you seek in the Church but do not find. You are part of the Church by your Baptism and in this synodal process the voice of every baptised person is equal. Ask the Holy Spirit who dwells in your heart to give you the words that your Church needs to hear.”
– Tom “Thundering Disgrace” Deenihan
Dún do bhéal Tomás! Absolute hypocrisy after your morally reprehensible behaviour of Dom Benedict Andersen, the true Prior of Silverstream.

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5.26: Seamus, you’d do all of us a favour if you would “Dun do bheal….” Git over your hateful obsession with the Bishop. STFU…

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5.26 has nothing been done by Tom Deenihan for Dom Benedict Andersen yet? This is a human rights issue at this stage, a disgraceful non Christian Bishop he is.

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8.47 what about what he did to Dom Benedict Andersen still left out on a limb without his letter of good standing. He should sue Tom Deenihan & the Diocese for defamation of his good character.

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Spotlight needed on current Lay Church Management & Synod Members - check out what’s in it for them to support an Internationally recognised Human Rights Abuser RCCsays:

2.21 This blog should do features on the backgrounds of the lay Roman Catholic Church management teams who are so keen to “show the way”, their track records as instigators & protectors of wrong doing confirm the future of the RCC is more of the same criminality, abuse & corruption minus the skirt & collar brigade once what’s left on the balance sheet pop their clogs. Add to that the billions owing to families of deceased victims and to elderly & vulnerable awaiting redress, no wonder the professional classes form a large population within the management & laity already engaged to keep RCC going into the future. For those who wish to continue to engage with the Catholic religion but are determined to see justice served for past wrongs currently ignored & vigorously defended by cabal clergy & their laity, a breakaway church seems inevitable.

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I hope the lay management teams understand that they will take the fall for the bishops if there’s trouble in the future.
On the other hand the church functions very much like a rubbish employer. It’s like they’ve noticed people get caught in the factory machines (but only because they’ve paid out so much in compensation) and have thought perhaps they’d better get some health and safety advice.
In their case the bishops don’t realize they couldn’t run a bath, are ffurious the ongoing abuse crisis has shown them up but want to keep the actual power, and the hat and stick, while yet another patsy covers their back.
Usually badly, because they employ people for their loyalty, not their competence.

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10.05 the laity are “comfortable” at present confident that there is no accountability for the effective parts they play in wrong doing, harrassment, intimidation etc., to protect wrongdoing that directly pours more wealth into church coffers on an ongoing basis.

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The authors of the Synod Report have been disingenuous in their interpretation of same. For instance, the views of over 10,000 Catholics in Dublin diocese were condensed into one submission and given the same standing as those of single individuals, yet it is being proclaimed as the views of the majority of Irish Catholics.

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2.31 They did that with what they call the Canon of Scripture also. ” They ” are very good at that sort of thing !!!

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Modeh Ani…….He is an Absolute Monarch, he knows it and they know it( bishops). The people can continue to delude themselves that either hierarchs given an iota what the people think..or choose.

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Kinda 💯% agree and normally don’t agree with you Pat. I feel the process is a complete waste of time, a Shambles!
Change will never take place in my lifetime with celibacy and priest marriage the key problems.
My church is in a mess with sadly the mess growing by the day!

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1:43
Which bit of the whole truth is the whore of Rome supposedly teaching apart from ‘Wing it’s? 🤣

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Oh these comments are music to my ears, such good news. As long as you are occupied in rowing with each other, each convinced you’re right, paying no attention, saying how good you are, and clergy gossip, the present situation will continue. Hopefully you’ll schism over some esoteric liturgical matter and get into a bitter battle about who is Catholic™️. All good stuff and will hasten the decline.

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Robert Nugent has just been on line from the car shouting at the camera about Purgatory and saying that the Synodal Pathway is B with a capital B and S with a capital S. I’m inclined to agree with him on that . I know he is very sincere but he does go over the top at times. I feel sympathy for “the wife” if he is as dogmatic at home as he is on line. Someone compared him to Ming the Merciless. !

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What I think is funny at the moment is everyone including Robert is on about Shia Labeouf because they’ve snared a celebrity.
Cult behaviour anyone?

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9.26: Robert should read the full, unedited version of Shia Laboeuf’s life…All of it. He might slow down a little in claiming a new cause for Catholics to imitate. Just because the guy loves THE LATIN MASS…!!! Robert’s videos are now becoming the movies of apocalyptic warnings…How he manages so many videos in one day is amazing.. but he loves the Church very dearly!!! – so he keeps telling u. Like many critics of the Church and the Synodal way, he didn’t attend but when he got a collation of his Diocese’s feedback, guess what: everything was wrong. Everything. He’s a very negative, controlling and intolerant individual.

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And he’s got Fr James Mawdsley on the only apparently straight priest in the holy Roman church! Except he isn’t in the church any more 🤣

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He’s weird. Have they suspended him a divinis? How do you know he’s straight – he may have got his annulment on the grounds of a preference for men.

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3.08 Ohhh! How cozy, little Nugent is cuddling up to Big Bad Bishop Phonsie! Will all those young teenagers Phonsie has knocking about his place also be making up the numbers?

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3:08 We all know how Irish Catlicks think they’re especially beloved of God, we don’t need to hear they’re deluded as well . 😉

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robert said today that Jesus is appearing to him and that Phonsie is the only brave bishop among the bishops

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Merely another of the usual kind of garden paths of deformation.
One of the actual dangers will be if people are told that by their baptism they are bound to whatever is announced to be “Synod” just like we are constantly told (by triumphalists) we are bound by it to whatever is stated to be the mysterious “Council” this week.
Because that’s not what Scripture meanings say.

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“This is for my mum tonight” - Michael Flatley @ Blackbird - Premiere - Lighthouse Cinema, Dublinsays:

Michael Flatley’s Mum and the late Seamus Tansey were no doubt smiling down on Michael, the driving force behind this long awaited action movie Blackbird as he made his speech at the movie premiere last night. Flatley plays the lead role of secret agent, Blackbird, who is forced out of retirement to deal with his old nemesis, Blake, played by Eric Roberts. Patrick Bergen plays the role of The Head in this spy thriller.

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11.11 it was excellent. Wondering if Michael might consider making a movie about a priest excommunicated from the Irish Roman Catholic Church decades ago but still compelled by RCC ongoing corruption to keep exposing this & helping new victims & unable to retire at 70 years old due to the sheer scale and depravity content in his large open caseload.

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11.53: Philomena, what s laugh you give us…and you’ll play his mother I suppose…😁😂🤣🤣😂😉…Get a grip. Incidentally, you should read The Tegraph’s review of Flatley’s thriller…not very commendable..
Also, many retired priests in their mid- late 80’s are still working in the vineyard, displaying remarkable resilience, dedication and fidelity to their vocation. Don’t forget them in your prayers.

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12.27 Shame, Shame, Shame on the Holy Roman Catholic Church for making old men in their 80s forfeit their well earned retirement to work until they drop just to make up for their corrupt criminal colleagues that destroyed any prospect of viable numbers of new vocations. Shame on the Bishops & hierarchy too weak and selfish & self interested to stand up for these old men they are complicit in forcibly manipulating on behalf of the RCC.

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What keeps me going? Faith in God and desire to help people – especially victims and survivors of the RCC.

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Found a ex deaf nun very dogmatic and pushy when I was at a funeral. She was interpreting for the priest that time.
Are some nuns are like that 👀🤷‍♀️

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11.48 Don’t trust nuns, the few corncrakes left have survived this Lviv because they are compliant members of the corrupt cabal.

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12.29: Mairead, I’d trust the nuns before your type any time. Your description of them is ignorant, silly and offensive. The wonderful service they have provided and their community outreach to the poor, excluded and homeless is astounding. Open your eyes, missy…

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12.56 You have denied my right of reply as you have not provided your name Anonymous? 1,000 lines for you as follows:
I will practice transparency in my daily life.

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3:43 Anonymous was never christened but is on here defending the non-transparent Roman Catholic Church!

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2.51 the nuns used to rap our knuckles till they bled. Horrible they were.

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12.56 Tuam and the rest of it were eye openers allright, prayers for all those mothers & babies.

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2.51: Misread, you could be Myra Hindley. How do we know if Mairead is your real name.. Stupid response…God bless all those good nuns…you ungrateful one!

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5.23 What good nuns, read my Report, the rest of the world has, you stupid person!

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2.12: After 40 years what keep me going is my trust in God, prayer and the fulfilment found in ministering to parishioners in a myriad of situations. This focus alone keeps my spirits up!

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Anon at 12.34pm
She’s working for Catholic organisation called national chaplaincy for the Deaf (which is funded by irish bishops) on and off basis re interpreting funeral masses et al.
She left the nuns precisely due to communication problems.

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12.55 Nuns that taught us had zero patience. Still affected by it over 50 years later.

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2.56: Mary, the lay teachers in primary and secondary school hammered us with sticks and 50 years later, I don’t forget their toughness and impatience. Despite this I did very well at school….Nyns weren’t the only unkind ones…The majority were good. .

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See + phonsie issued a statement on Synodal document .. pouring cold water all over it.. this is pretty much all you need to know about where this process is going.. Moving the deck chairs and all that..

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9.16: I accept that the Synodal Pathway has both good and bad aspects. Having taken part at parish level in two good meetings with about 100 attending, the feedback was very challenging as we discussed various isdues. Whatever happens, it still remains the responsibility of the local parish with its various groups and personnel to “care” for the parish in imitation of Christ. As for Robert Nugent: has the most negative commenter about a things Catholic. He speaks about his love for the Church yet is rarely present at his local Church’s Eucharist and liturgical .moments. What I find grossly iffensive is his reference to what he terms, “The Synodal Swamp..” Robert, sadly is in his own swamp of insult, ignorance, judgment and condemnation – all spewed out through his car window with gusto and relentless spitting!

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Synods are box ticking exercises nothing more than that. The Vatican wants to re impose it’s authority on the world by keeping the majority away. A survey in the U.k discovered that more than 60 per cent of priests in U.K don’t believe in God even. As Judge Fahy said in Carey case it is a job a business. Most priests are in it for the status, bills free, and cushy lifestyle…

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1.02: Give the correct reference for the U.K. survey…or is this a pure makey up story? It fits a particular agenda.

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5.16 🤣🤣🤣🤣. We just love it when we hit a clerical nerve. Trigger points:
Synod
Money
Sex
Corruption
Criminality
Forgery
Trafficking
Organ Donations & Sales
Medical Experiments
Dentists
Undertakers
Doctors
Teachers
etc.
G’wan, scream lies, lies, lies!

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I don’t know why you’re all surprised that synod submissions can be easily condensed to small submissions. Any laity left are quite happy to remain in a corrupt, criminal organization with a total absence of transparency, happy to kowtow to the hierarchy, ignore the cesspool that surrounds them, and finance this.
Therefore their contribution can be reduced to: ‘Carry on and don’t deal with it’s.

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1.10 Leave them to it & get your name removed from their databases so they are under no illusion and cannot keep massaging the numbers at their management meetings. It’s a business so if you don’t want to be classified as a customer, plenty other alternatives for weddings & funerals etc these days.

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Good advice, Joe Doe. Luckily I’m gone over 20 years. That’s one of the reasons I won’t shut up on here: criticism from outside drives the rubes wild.

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Joe Doe some Parishes do not have a data bases still on pen and paper.
Why because the Parish is skint ot the PP is elderly so it cannot be forced on them.
At 75 they will retire or be Parish Assistants

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9.20: Go in, give us the survey reference. Yes, you’re lying. Lying big time. I’m interested in reading the survey.

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Synod my arse, what a load of balls all this is. Forget your balls lads and grow a set of tits. It’s a woman’s world now.

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@ 3:35pm
Only in your world Roberta, but you’re right about the Synod being a load of balls, but we don’t want tits either, just lets get rid of it and the bollox who thought it up.😏

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3.35: Roberta…..bet you have a fine set if balls!! You’re ever so butch and rough…A woman’s world…that’s the problem. All crazy bitches.

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The Dublin report was full of personal opinions by those that wrote it. This mistake was repeated at a national level. In my parish the parish council had no enthusiasm for it. I don’t detect huge interest in it by the bishops…..

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6.09 isn’t it high time clergy & their catlicks smelt the Coffey & copped on that in light of their conduct & coverup etc., their opinions, personal or otherwise, count for nothing in the real world.

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If, as is being suggested and which I very much fear, the contributions of the laity are being moderated / diluted / sexed down etc., then in due course the bishops and the clergy who have done this will have to bear the wrath of the laity. We know what we said, it is in black and white in the contributions from the various parishes, and if that is then being diminished and cleaned up at the diocesan level and then the national level, then Vin and Co need to be very careful. It will be known and people will be very angry. Just a warning of the reality that will take place. I think the Pope knows what is going on and hopefully he will sidestep them all. Vin and Co will not like that. But they have had their day, and look what a mess they have made of it, particularly the egregious sins they have allowed the clergy to get away with over decades, and the excuses they have made in order not to do anything. Their reputations are already shot. Doing the dirty on the synodal responses will just ensure that we wipe them out of memory and history as a bad stink and as cynical, manipulative, ambitious and sinful men. And yes, they are all men… ! Vin and Co, please take note…..

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Hi Pat, haven’t been on the blog in a while, I was in getting liver tests but I got the all clear thank god. Free to slay another day, enjoy the weather for it’s meant to turn bad this weekend.

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Pat why are you allowing Eamon to showcase his alcoholism on this blog, it is not good for your readers who are under 18.

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8.55 Pray for all the little babies & children well under 18 when tortured at the hands of the Roman Catholic Church.

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3.35: Roberta seems like someone you wouldn’t want near the church, groups or children and young people. An uncouth, slutty specimen, the bitchy type that’s dangerous.

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How dare you say that about my girlfriend when u don’t even know her. Rap my door and we’ll see how brave u are

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A Dunnes Stores worker has lost his case for unfair dismissal. He was dismissed after Dunnes Stores learned that he had been charged with an offence contrary to the Sexual Offences Act for public masturbation at Marks & Spencer on Mary Street, Dublin in June 2021.
Dunnes Stores manager confirmed that he had made a decision to dismiss the worker because of the damage caused in the eyes of the customer due to the particular circumstances adding that Dunnes Stores is community based and staff and customers live in the adjacent catchment areas. The manager also referred to the Dunnes Stores Conduct:
“We expect staff to maintain proper standards of integrity and conduct and not to do anything which is likely to bring the Company’s reputation into disrepute either during or outside the course of your employment”
The WRC ruled that the dismissal of the Dunnes worker was within the range of reasonable responses open to it and that substantial grounds did exist to justify the dismissal.
Perhaps the Roman Catholic Church could take note & desist from planting deviant clerics into unsuspecting communities worldwide.

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7.44 so why can Roman Catholic Bishops get away with shunting dodgy priests from one parish or diocese to the next?

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Single day €95 or Full Conference €230. Student concessions available.

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My sister got pregnant to a redemptorist who doesn’t know that he fathered a child. I don’t know what to do as the child wants to contact him.

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Patricia It was uou who got pregnant to your sisters husband so people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones

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Who is leaking the stuff on the Noah case, are you working with them on this Pat?
If you are can you please update us all on any new information that may shed light on what happened to this black child.

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Its heartbreaking. It really is. We never went to school without a penny for the black babies. I swear my granny must have paid to train 100 priests.

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Who remembers the National Pastoral Conference – We are Easter People! That was a phenomenal success wasn’t it.

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Winging it again on the highway to hell of coverup, criminality & abuse. Synod my arse. Over and out.

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