Pat says:
This case is a reminder to us that some people and some priests who are accused of abuse can be innocent.
There were two in investigations into Fr Mc Aleer – a police one and a church one. The matter was relating to a minor before he was ordained.
The Church hearing does not involve the same level of evidence that a criminal trial does.
The accusations were not substantiated.
We don’t know if the complainant did not offer evidence or refused to attend hearings.
But we must remember that in our countries we regard people innocent until found guilty.
That does not mean that they have to found innocent!
The Armagh statement says that this has been difficult for all involved.
We must recognise that.
We must also recognise that it has been hard for Fr Mc Aleer.
We must also wish him well as he gathers the pieces together again.
QUEEN ELIZABETH
I signed the Book of Condolences for Queen Elizabeth at my local council office yesterday.
OVER TO SCOTLAND
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
180 replies on “ARMAGH PRIEST RETURNS TO MINISTRY AFTER ABUSE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM WERE FOUND TO BE “UNSUBSTANTIATED””
Eamon Martin will be togged out ( never in his life) in his gold rags today for a ceremony appropriate to the North of Ireland and the President will attend. Unlike the last fiasco ( historically ) the religious leaders were together for, although EM s words excelled. Today he will be at his best; silent.
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Joe Biden is not traveling to Armagh, Bileen.
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10.35 Roman Catholics are such liars, you know perfectly well it’s the Irish President travelling to Northern Ireland. Reading the contributions from pro Church only serves to completely reconfirm you dark evil people are completely unfit to be involved in schools, hospitals or anywhere vulnerable couid be exploited by you wolves in sheep clothing & volunteer on the make types.
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How is it obvious? When a person says “the Queen”, most people assume it is Elizabeth II, and if they refer to “the President”, people assume that it’s the US President.
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9:18. Jesus, don’t “you people” in the RCC know anything!
ASS-U-ME
That’s why one never “assume” ANYTHING!
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A very dubious individual is that priest, always fawned on by Primates. Hated in Armagh College. Friend of Mickey Harte, enough said. I heard him say in the Senate Hall Armagh when gathered for Brady under pressure meeting ” I come from a long Levitical line.” Pompous Get. Donaghmore was wanted by Richard Naughton whose brother gave them plenty of money, But Mc Aleer got it !!! There is always a reason!
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8:26am Mickey Harte, the Church & the GAA, Money, Money, Money. When will they start paying the players now that their demands from them are no longer conducive to holding down a full time job as well unless the player is employed in some “handy number” in the local school or council like the new lay church management is sourced from. Cute Hoors are the Church, you might not be putting money in their basket but they have found an alternative way to make the public pay to keep their independently wealthy church continue to be funded in covert ways even by those abused by them under their very noses.
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9.31: What a disgusting slur against Mickey Harte! You horrible person! Mickey Harte enjoys the respect, admiration and esteem of thousands. What an amazing ambassador for our country, for his Catholic faith and his GAA. An amazingly, inspirational man. You, on the other hand, Bill, are muck! There’s not an ounce of decency in you. As is said, there’s something of the dark night about you. It’s a stenchy darkness. As for money: at least Mickey Harte earns his legitimately and does not live a debauched existence nor is he on the take from others.
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3:21pm what is your name Father? Are you the priest who has removed all the collection facilities from your church? Serious question? Await your reply?
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3:21 who audits the GAA? They taking in some pile of cash but don’t have to pay the players and the entire outfit is run with “volunteers”, friends with benefits……..
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Surely you mean the Synod Hall, Bill? Accurate as ever.
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3.21 Mickey Harte is a very dark man. Bishop Buckley would not publish the details I would happily promulgate. I speak of fact…know to others and to a hospital!!!!
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More nudge-nudge, wink-wink by the girly tout of New House, who is not brave enough to make allegations but hints at them, which is just as damaging. Just as well we keep quiet about the tout’s past.
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4:47 if you knew anything you could harm Bill with, you would spill!! Idiot!!
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8.23: Bill, as the chorus of a song says, “You say it best when you say nothing at all..”. Archbishop Martin will indeed say it best in silence, with honour, respect and dignity…Could you try the silence bit??? You actually might be more loved. As for the Archbishop being togged out in “rags” – this choice of words alone show you to be the bully you are. Bill, try silence to discover your lost dignity.
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8.30 I would certainly not be looking for love from the likes of you or indeed anyone on this Blog: rest easy, I am well loved among those that matter. No, I shall not be silent and I define dignity in very differs terms to you, period. Presently on Dart, heading to Heuston to travel South; you would never guess who I am meeting!!!
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8.36: Bill, why can you not accept some criticism and advice by way of encouraging you to be a better human being? Sadly, you define all words, concepts and truths differently to all of us, but frequently are very self serving. SELF RESPECT, DIGNITY and DECENCY are concepts you don’t understand..Ever. Let you ramble south bound – layabout. Enjoy meeting Bessie the pig! Loved among the multitudes? Ask former parishioners…Hmm
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9:24 you do not sound like a very nice human being yourself.
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I’d say you travel south a lot Bill.
A post is put up indicating a priest has been cleared. It’s likely a good news story. Yet your own reaction is one of bitterness, sourness and name calling. As an alleged former man of the cloth you should be ashamed of your carry on.
Your coffee credentials are absolutely amateur by the way.
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10.49 Canon Todd the Castleconnell snob, moaning about the council houses not been painted to his liking when “real people” don’t know where there next meal or money for fuel bill coming from. Now he’s a Coffey connoisseur.
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Ah, Bill! You have just dashed all my hopes. I had visions of us walking hand in hand into the sunset.
I continue to read your posts but have decided not to respond to them and in truth, Pat has refused to post many of them. His moderation policy is as elastic as – well, an elastic thing. I gave up writing too, because I give some thought to some of them only to have them binned. This is quite frustrating as they are clear, well written posts and a literate step above some of the garbage that makes its way through the aforementioned moderation.
I have noticed that you have been quite active on the blog the last day or two and while I was reading your submissions yesterday I was listening to Il Barbiere di Siviglia……
I’ll leave this for your listening pleasure (assuming that Pat allows it – Perhaps Pat, if you don’t post it on the blog you could forward it to Bill)
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Dear Cyber,
I’m sorry if I have disappointed or offended you. Were I not to limit the number of comments going after Bill, we would have many mote comments from Bill 😀
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2.32
Now there’s a lotta sense in that. Deo Gratias!
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2.25 I have seen the estate close to the charity shop. In my opinion, the houses look like any other houses on an estate. I don’t understand why the Canon Bull even mentioned them in the first place. He must find gratification in unleashing all of his pent up frustrations on the blog. Do us all a favour Todd and go have a five knuckle shuffle.
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7:53pm the houses look nice and it’s a good community, we are proud of it.
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8.30 It should have read “glad rags”…prescriptive text….you familiar with the expression…no bulling at all!
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2.32: What a load of BOLLOCKS Buckkey – your favourite word- BOLLOCKS! So you disbar comments going after Fuckface Bill yet print all and every comment
of his tearing others apart. Let’s call a spade a spade. You two are in a dalliance of some evil kind. Pat, your moral compass is very elastic…and in shreds. Your hypocrisy is blatant. Evil.
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10.49 He is guilty as hell. Do your homework in Armagh. William Joseph John Mulvihill
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Somebody is happy at 4:02.
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I completely echo your wish, but fear that it will fall on deaf ears.
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8:30 you are truly obsessed with “shutting people up”, how far are you prepared to go with that? Serious question? Awaiting your reply? Asking for a friend?
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8.36…from the likes…error
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Pat, I’m.dekighted you signed the book of condolence for Queen Elizabeth. I have done likewise. The expression of sympathy is deserved. As for Fr. McAleer, I am so happy for him. I know of other priests who were falsely accused and completely exonerated of any crime. The principle applied to all other people inbsicidty “innocent till proven guilty” seems not to apply to clerics. To be falsely accused is a reprehensible act of hatred, very often compelled by money..Any person found guilty of false accusations should face imprisonment. Am I not mistaken but hasn’t Fr. McAleer been subjected to vicious accusations and a mauling on this blog? If so, isn’t an apology appropriate?
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There are two Mc Aleers
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8.51 There certainly are , and the there is Ryan.
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8.51: Thanks. Let us wish every prayerful blessing on Fr. Gerard. God bless him. Pat, on behalf of many – can you refrain from printing Mulvihill’s correction comments? His damn name, appearing almost after every comment, is ridiculous and tiresome. Why, oh why does he expect preferential treatment?
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9:14 ridiculous comment “Anonymous”, use your real name so we can count how many comments you make each day! You are yet another Disgusting sneaky underhand representative of the Roman Church.
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10.02 must be quiet in the parishes on Tuesdays, they do their banking on Mondays no doubt so up for shit stirring until the day off when they head for the saunas.
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I wonder if there is any hope for Dean Kennedy to be reinstated ???!!!!! It’s never been clear what went on in his case, and what he was exactly supposed to have done (other than a domestic tiff with a presumed b/f, the organist). Although, maybe he’s distanced enough from that life now and will not be that worried about returning to any church role. I know a number of priests who, having been distanced for a while from active ministry for whatever reason, then at that distance realise that they really don’t want to go back. Distance can give a sense of new perspective, which allows people to see things more clearly and to see through a lot of the nonsense they took unquestionably before.
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8.59 In connection to the point you make about not going back. I am well informed that there is at present a phenomena of priests of their own volition going for ” councelling ” ( most of it attrocious…think Humphries) and at their own expense. It is my understanding that what arises is volcanic. For instance recently, a priest whose name and diocese is known to me, told his councillor of some things he had done which he in his own mind thought quite innocent, in fact she reported him and he was taken out of ministry. There are many who should not be ministering and will never know! Too many go back…even Mc Aleer.
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9.26: Correction- COUNSELLOR not councillor…
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9.26 what about counselling for all the unresolved cases struggling with the trauma inflicted by RC members? It’s not surprising some priests doing things they imagine are ok, that shows how unfit their management is. Piss up & brewery spring to mind.
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10.02: Anna, how do I truly know who you are simply in the name, Anna? You could be Myra Hindley or a paedophile! How are we to know? People’s comments are no less importand and legitimate because they print as “anonymous”. You’re another of “those” people who are intellectually challenged and trot out lies like confetti at a wedding. You, “Anna” disgust me. You belong to a lesser class than my background. Get a grip, Myra!
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1:52 My friends call me Anna, my formal name is Antonia. I’m not sure what rock you crawled out from but you’ve obviously been under it for a very very long time. The late Myra passed away several years ago and Daddy did his best for her, he was a good man and a wonderful Daddy to us all. We are all very proud of his unique compassion and understanding of Myra who was completely and utterly under the “spell” of that dreadful man, Ian Brady in the same way that some are still completely under the spell of priests and Bishops. I do love this blog and hope to meet some of the characters I am eyeing up for my new project in due course. Are you in love with a clergyman? You certainly sound extremely frustrated. Fondest regards, Anna (Antonia)
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1:52: Anna is definitely not Myra Hindley while you might be a paedophile. Bishops have trotted out lies like confetti in defending the church’s record on CSA so you might include them among the intellectually challenged.
Does wearing a clerical collar elevate clerics to a superior class..?
Not at all. Jesus had no place to lay his head. Get a grip you patronizing person!
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Not the slightest whiff of authenticity at 2:57.
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9:43 Wow! That’s a big word for you / thou blinkered one!
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I’ll preface this comment by saying I have no knowledge whatsoever of
Fr. Gerard McAleer case. I wish him well.
The reality is false allegations of sexual abuse against individuals from
a variety of professional backgrounds are far more common than most people realise. False allegations can be made for a plethora of reasons.
Even when a professional has been exonerated in writing by the Police it can prove impossible to gather the pieces together again. We know of the corruption in the Church. We also know of corruption in the State. Imagine what happens when the Church and State collude together to silence a person.
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2.57: This comment is by far the most bizarre one never printed. It bears no relation to the issue for today not the content of my posting at 1.52. Simply put: Most people use an acronym, pseudonym or anonymous for commenting. Nine of us knows the person behind the name. We may get impressions but that’s all, Anna. I choose, as many do, to do likewise. I know nothing about you except that you declare your name to be Anna or Antonia. Ipso, you may as Well e “anonymous”. You’re creating a mountain out of a mole hill without anything substantial to say, as like anonymous at 3.03. Anna or Antonia be careful what you wish for by desiring to meet “characters” from this blog. You haven’t a chance!! Dream on.
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4:45 I detect a change in tone from your original comment.
None of us know the names behind anonymous comments. You chose
to be patronizingly abusive, as well as intellectually and socially superior in your comment to Anna. You had nothing substantial to say other than dish out abuse. Are you sure you’re not Jack the Ripper- mountain out of mole hill, my arse.
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Sometimes an accuser just can’t prove a crime against himself; it does not mean that no crime took place.
After George Pell’s conviction was overturned in the Victoria High Court, Pope Francis made a disgraceful remark about Pell’s accuser. He forgot (or didn’t give a damn) that not every victim of a crime can prove that he is a victim.
Miscarriages of justice can go in either of two ways: the innocent convicted, or the guilty declared innocent.
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Pat you start todays blog in an excellent way then you relate to your self mischiek and why I will never know.
Scotland the pictured is cropped for your own agenda as both Priest’s were invited guests to the Scottish Parliament and beside them is the Principle Clerk to the Church of Scotland Right Reverned Fiona Smith but you cut out His Grace Archbishop Cushley who was also a Guest to Parliament. (Bishop Toal will not pull them in Sorry)
You could have covered the Service from Saint Giles Cathedral Church of Scotland where his Grace read as he said the Epistle.
We the Catholic Church believe in Unity as Brothers and Siters only God knows what you believe and that is for you to decide.
Likely the rejected boyfriend and ex semanarian that sent you it for mischief.
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9:36 put the service you WANT to see on your own blog.
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Wonder what their parishioners in their schemes feel? Wee day out together …..
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@ 9:36am
Don’t tell me Patsy that’s you know who giving out to you yet again. What a gobshite!🙄
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As a very devout mass goer in the community who loves to gossip & share their biased narrative with local clergy says “there is no smoke without fire”. We won’t be going anywhere near Fr McAleer. He always came across strange. Better safe than sorry, church quick enough to mercilessly condemn genuine victims, let them have a good dose of their own medicine, they’ve earned it unlike the wealth they enjoy that they’ve done nothing to earn, scammers and their freeloader clergy.
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9.38: In a case of an allegation made against a cleric, the priest never worked in the parish mentioned nor had he ever worked in the school referred to. The person making this devious claim subsequently revealed he saw his name somewhere in a neighbouring church and created his almost plausible accusation on this alone. A woman who lived in a Magdalen Laundry told me she was prevented from going to support meetings because she didn’t agree with written statements which they were supposed to express when asked by others about their experiences. This woman was told she was a liar by a prominent advocate on behalf of survivors….This attitude was and is not morally acceptable.. Having also listened to a husband/father/ relate the false allegation against him by a neighbour, false allegations are horrendous. Thus man was fully exonerated, the accused brought to prison.
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In the UK, there is PRESUMPTION of innocence. Presumption is not necessarily the same as BEING innocent. The intelligent will know the difference.
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You’ll be lucky to find them on here. On the other hand there is also cult programming going on which predisposes you to think the cult is innocent. Cf the way they still think the church is the spotless bride of Christ, despite it never being out of the news for several decades.
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Love your last sentence. 🤣
True, they still talk in terms of moral purity and holiness, despite the fact that Satan is too embarrassed to have them in Hell.
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11:11 Ain’t that the truth!
But don’t worry, I’ve set up a special corner for them that is disguised as heaven. They think it’s wonderful until they find out the Salvation Army band play to them every day and I’ve allocated every priest 70 female virgins.
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I’d love to say something here, Sáty, about that … that so-called ‘CHURCH’!!! But (sigh) I can’t be seen to let the side down.
I shall say this: DAD is NOT as enamoured of it as he once was. OMG, he isn’t!!! I overheard his whispering as much to himself (well, you know, the other two). But don’t say you got this from me, for god’s sake!!!
By the way, DAD advised me the other day NOT to get so agitated about things: not to go all exclamatory and not to capitalise my words. And to avoid sentences whose words had too many sibilants. Said I was intended to be Heaven’s warrior.
I do wish he would stop talking in riddles. It’s sooo … MADDENING!!!
PS Do I, um, shriek?😕
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Shriek, Michael? Scream? Sibilants?
Dad really is worried that people might think you are gay. He doesn’t want the Christians to know that heaven is hella gay.
In fact it’s very much like the reservation I’ve got for Westboro Baptist church.
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It should be remembered that the majority of allegations are genuine but already traumatised victims are mercilessly ground down by the professional, well educated and wealthy RC and with the benefit of centuries of experience in all manner of exploitation to add to their wealth.
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10.08: Because of the thoroughness of civil investigations into allegations, we should be glad when an accusation is found to be false. It’s an horrendous experience for any person to go through. Sexual abuse by whosoever is repulsive behaviour. False allegation is also repulsive. Sadly, it is easy to accuse a priest. Sadly. In some situations of false allegations, money was the sole motivation. This is dangerous and devious.
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10.58
You’ve made the classic error: assuming an unproven allegation to be false. A non-sequitur.
Please don’t tell me I have to spoon feed you an explanation here.
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Note at 10:58 how it’s sadly easy to accuse a priest but not anyone else.
Priorities can be revealed by omissions.
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10:58
A doctor told me when he was training in a hospital as an intern a false allegation of abuse was made against him by a patient. Fortunately the allegation was dealt with immediately. Statistically it is estimated 1 in 25 people are sociopaths i.e. lack empathy, very manipulative, aggressive and have a profound lack of conscience while appearing to be charming people. Life is difficult.
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11:08 You can try spoon feeding 10:58 but I doubt you’d get anywhere.
Again and again the servants of the church demonstrate on here that they latch onto various ideas which they think can be used to defend the church or attack those they feel threatened by. They never ever understand these ideas. In recent months we have had:
Wanting to report a Garda officer to his superiors for having an affair with a priest.
Making out that seminarians are vulnerable adults.
Thinking that GDPR would prevent you making a safeguarding.
Threatening Pat with a European GDPR lawyer.
I would really think that these were troll comments but I have a horrifying suspicion that these people actually are that stupid. This is the key demographic for the cult at this stage, obviously.
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11:23, That happens all the time and is a normal, accepted part of working with the public.
The servants of the church can’t expect not to experience that, unless of course they don’t want the public to be afforded the essential dignity of being able to complain about the church’s behaviour.
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Don’t forget the suggestion that aggrieved mass goers should use employment legislation against the church, 12:01. That was a good one.
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I’m reminded of the movie Servants released in 2020 which is set in 1980 Czechoslovakia. Servants follows two conflicted seminarians whose seminary is under increasing pressure by the Party to mold its students into satisfactory citizens. As the school is on the brink of dissolution, and its head priest a target for blackmail, the two seminarians will have to choose between collaborating with the government as informants or becoming targets of the secret police.
Here’s a review from IT Tara Brady.https://www.irishtimes.com/student-hub/2nd-level-student-hub/signup/servants-church-and-state-collude-and-collide-1.4561854
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Allegations vary in levels of credibility. When a survivor explicitly states he or she is not seeking financial compensation, such an allegation ought to be taken very seriously by church authorities.
In my experience such allegations are not seriously addressed by the church. They seem to want survivors to f*** off.
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10.42 Exactly. That’s why one survivor has finally copped on and initiated a GDPR investigation against the Diocese. What personal data about a victim has been collected by the Diocese and their representatives and who has it been shared with? Tenacity is paramount when fighting a corrupt institution. Know your rights.https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/dpc-guidance/blogs/right-compensation-and-liability
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Further to my comment at 11.04: To those of you who threatened to report me to the Gardai for buying cannibas in 2020 for a medical condition, you don’t need to bother yourselves. I went to the Gardai station and reported it (as well as a few other things) to them myself . 🆙 yours 😊
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@11:04
I contacted the data commissioner, admittedly 6 or 7 years ago, to be told my concern didn’t come under the data commissioners remit. I found this very difficult to understand. My particular problem concerned the HSE.
I hope you are given the information you seek. Tenacity is paramount. Expect to be given the ‘run around’ when dealing with State agencies. Sadly the institutional church is very corrupt. Why are dioceses gathering so much information on individuals…?
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12.00 Why is the Diocese collecting data? For various reasons as outlined on their website. The one that struck me as being the most important is the first on their list: ‘our legitimate interests of advancing and upholding the Roman Catholic religion;’ 🤔
I am still awaiting a response from the Diocese DPO in question. If they do not respond, then that information will also be passed on to the DPC.
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Who pays the Diocesan Data Protection Officers wages?
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All of these comments about GDPR are troll comments from priests trolling the blog.
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11:47 Guards in Clare are very busy in September- haven’t you seen the newspapers – they are (not the Guards) festival goers in Lisdoonvarna romping in full view on the streets as no hotel rooms due to refugee crisis. Video gone viral! Garda are investigating. See newspapers.
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11:47 I think the Gardai have alot more on its plates then petite squabbling on annonymous blogs over nothing.
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@12:16
I saw ‘legitimate interests of advancing and upholding the Roman Catholic religion’.
The irony is staggering. Survivors of Roman Catholic religious abuse are perceived as threat to the Roman Catholic religion so careful monitoring is necessary…? The threat to the Roman Catholic religion comes from within their own clerical ranks. Clergy including hierarchy need to practice what they preach.
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I think you’ll all find that what is so vexing you is the statutory statement that any body gathering information has to give, and the fact it has given you that warning means your complaints won’t go anywhere, because it means it’s using information legally.
If you give information to anyone they have to tell you the purpose they’re collecting it for, and every organization uses information for various purposes. For example the church could even be using the addresses of churchgoers to plan what churches to close.
For a complaint to be upheld they would have to be using information incorrectly and I’m not hearing any evidence that they have done so.
Is this the third or the fourth day that the people who have literally no understanding of GDPR have been on here demonstrating their level of understanding?
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No understanding of GDPR? Have you actually read the Killaloe Diocese Privacy Policy? I’m not talking about website visits and cookies. I am talking about far more serious matters which have yet to be disclosed. Think for a moment about the implications for a victim/survivor who has been in contact with the Diocese and who is perceived as a ‘threat’!
‘How we collect the data we hold about you
The Diocese collects the data we hold about you in a number of ways:
When you access our website;
By you using the “contact us” facility on our website;
By you contacting the Diocesan office by phone, email or letter and providing data to us;
Through face to face meetings with you;
Sometimes from a parish or other third party;
When you attend Diocesan training;
When you use the vetting service.’
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1:10 What do you mean, ‘the church’? Do you mean the clergy? Of course the church can use information in lots of ways including planning church closures.
But also in, for example, avoiding compensating victims of clerical abuse in a particular diocese due to high numbers of complaints with cost implications for particular diocese. Are you a diocesean data protection officer? Why would a complainant put evidence of a complaint on this
blog for you to decide if a complaint will be upheld or if they are using information correctly or incorrectly. We won’t mention how the church has illegally used information surrounding clerical abuse cases worldwide.
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1:42 and 1:55 I refer you to the comments above which have already told you how every organization uses information and that you’re getting in a tizzy over nothing.
I look forward to your increasingly hysterical reports about these complaints and then you going silent.
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@1.42 Karen you are totally obsessed. You need to clam down. You have been threatening big disclosures for months now and none have arrived and you have continuously inferred that you have spoken to Gardai/solictors etc.
It is time to stop with all this. I have no doubt you were wronged but it’s quite clear this is eating into you and needs to be let go. If you had anything serious about GF it would be out by now. He sponged off you and mistreated you, this is a fact. But its also a fact that you are grown adults and there was no ‘how’s your father’ as the Irish say. If he owes you cash, tell him cough up. But you need to stop with this – I am no fan of GF but you are being deeply unfair by continuously suggesting further wrong doing on this blog. The man must be looking over his shoulder all day and terrified to go on the internet with all this.
Pat you helped create all this, it’s time to totally ban this from the blog.
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2:06
This is a discussion of the church’s use of information, GDPR,etc.
Why are you, a priest, personalizing this discussion?
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2:01 :
Are you having a wee tizzy fit? Sounds like with attempting to minimize.
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2:33 Difficult to minimize something which isn’t there. You will go quiet when you discover that the diocese is perfectly within its legal obligation to collect and use information.
The only time you would have a case would be if they’d misused person identifiable information, but judging by your comments I don’t think you’d recognize that if you saw it.
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‘Have you actually read the Killaloe Diocese Privacy Policy?’
I was wondering how to phrase this since people won’t like it but I think there are people here who may be helped in the long run by hearing this.
If an organization has a published privacy policy which meets the law, but which you don’t like, and you have given information to them, no court in the entire world will blame the diocese for this.
If you give an organization your information the onus is on you to read their policy first.
I’m sure there will be howls that this is mean, but this is how it works. That’s why organizations publish their policies so that they can correctly say you could have read it.
And incidentally organizations run these policies past lawyers first.
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Article 7 of GDPR allows a data subject submit a request to withdraw their consent to the processing
of their personal data.
If you wish the Diocese of Killaloe to withdraw consent of your personal
data contact them in writing or by email.
In order to process your request, they may need to contact you to request additional information. But it’s straight forward and the law.
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3.53 I have no qualms about the emails I have sent the Diocese. My concern is what other info about me has been gathered and to whom it has been transferred. The jury is still out until I receive ALL personal data and the details regarding the people that info has been shared with. To Canon Todd: your comments are superfluous and will have no bearing on the moderator of the blog. You are very good at kvetching but there are no fruits to your labours so kindly feck off.
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3:00
The usual condescending remark from those who consider they
possess a monopoly on intellectual superiority, morality and truth.
The so called nothing which you consider isn’t there centers on abuse.
I didn’t say a diocese is not within its legal obligation to collect and use information. Is the hierarchy’s answer to tizzy fits NDAs…?
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@4.42 You would have to be informed if data was being collected about you and stored. They require consent. That’s the law.
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@4.32 You can request all information that the have about you. When you receive it it may be heavily redacted to protect other people being identified. And withdraw your GDPR consent.
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4:32 Well I’m delighted that you’ve made a subject access request.
I suspect when you get the results you will be convinced they haven’t given you everything though.
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4:40 I wouldn’t know, hon. Let us know how they respond to yours. 🤔
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‘The jury is still out until I receive ALL personal data and the details regarding the people that info has been shared with.’
What will you do when they tell you they’ve given you all the details they have and you are inevitably convinced they haven’t? Because that’s what you’ll think, since you’re convinced normal collection of data somehow breaches regulations.
I mean this honestly and as kindly as I can, are you sure you’re seeing the reality here?
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6:00pm : Who pays the Diocesan Data Protection Officers wages, hon?
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9:50 pm
You seem to be suggesting in your ever so kind honest way it’s a forgone conclusion the diocese will give all the details they have yet the comment maker will think otherwise being convinced normal collection of data somehow breaches regulations. Surely it would be more appropriate for you to say; ‘….if they tell you…’ rather than… ‘when they tell you…’
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10.05 who is the Diocesan Data Protection Officer? Is there a list of names and job titles for every Diocese?
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12.16
I’m not sure if you were dropped on your head a child or not but by law they have to state on websites like most companies especially online websites where you give your personal details, if you give any at all. It’s proceedure to state that on websites.
Nothing malice or cunning about it.
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Howling at your comment, 1:15. 👍
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1:15 You fool. This has nothing to do with website visits and cookies. This has to do with information collected by the Diocese on victims who have reported abuse.
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1:49 Of COURSE the diocese collects information on people who’ve reported abuse. Again, every organization will do that.
Can you have a go at guessing why this might be?
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1.15 What kind of information is being collected on individuals, who have come forward with complaints of abuse, by a Church whose mission is to promote the interests of the RC religion? Who has the personal data been shared with and for what purpose? These are the unanswered questions that will eventually come to light as the DPC will force the Diocese to comply. The DPC has the authority to audit organisations who are misusing personal data and to impose fines. You are an imbecile who most likely works for the RCC hence your snide remark.
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2:12 Just two examples will illustrate.
Insurers will want to know the risk the business presents before insuring.
Churches are charities and are open to more scrutiny than other businesses so have to keep even more comprehensive records of what goes on in the organization.
Put it the other way: what kind of business wouldn’t keep detailed records of complaints and legal cases, if only to try to avoid them in the future?
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Confirmation from 2:30pm as if necessary for seasoned bloggers.
The Roman Catholic Church is the Roman Catholic Company Ltd.
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I am a victim of church abuse and I don’t care what information the Bishop has or used or transferred. I wouldn’t want to read it either. Bitterness and hate is too heavy to carry. Sometimes you have to just let it go, it’s called healing.
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Actually 4:53 you have a point.
To what extent a religion, any religion, adapts to the situation outside is always fascinating.
You could say it would be best to give away everything and have no assets, which means there’s no point suing.
But if you have assets at some point you will get sued and how churches prepare for that is telling.
It’s like the question of insuring churches against acts of God. 😂
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Strawbs: Part Of The Union
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5:22 Why do you think Archbishop McNamara in the 1980s sought legal advice as to the Church’s liability arising from child sexual abuse. As a result of the advice, McNamara insured the archdiocese to protect it financially, while not revealing the degree of clerical sex abuse recorded
in diocesan files to the Garda Síochána as required in law. According to Michael McDowell the then attorney general, the State “effectively signed a blank cheque” in agreeing the controversial 2002 indemnity deal with 18 religious congregations. Money took precedence-business dealings.
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5.16 To each his own. I am motivated by a desire for clarity, and I have every right to know what personal data of mine has been stored and and to whom it has been transferred.
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5:16
I’m glad you found healing.
Don’t generalize from your particular experience.
The right to privacy is guaranteed both in the Irish Constitution and
on a European level. Other statutes that have a universal status also contain provisions relating to this right as well as recognizing it include;
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, International Covenant on
Civil and Political Rights, European Convention on Human Rights.
Cherish and protect fundamental rights.
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6:04
Archbishop McNamara was ordained a priest for the Diocese of Killaloe.
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6:11
Just another thought: IF the church had improperly saved, processed, used or transferred any information about you….
What the fuck makes you think they’ll tell you! 🤣 They would tell you all was above board.
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8:38pm
Why would the thought of corrupt information processing cross your mind, I wonder.
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8.38 The proof is in the pudding. Pointless to speculate until I actually get copies of everything 😊.
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9:47 Because of the number of times it’s been hinted at today? Do try to keep up.
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To be GDPR compliant, websites need to update their privacy policy to include essential information about how your website collects and uses customer data. The policy should provide complete disclosure of personal data and how businesses intend to use it.9 Apr 2021
It’s a requirement by law to state it websites.
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12.33 Correct. The real threat comes from within their own ranks. They have the power and money behind them to quell any opposition. Why would they want to change the status quo?
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We are not subject to that GDPR nonsense in Ulster, now that the UK freed itself from the Brussels jack boot, thanks to the UK-wide vote to leave the failing federation called the EU.
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Ireland’s attitude is guilty until proven innocent, even though it’s wrong Americas attitude is innocent until proven guilty…
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An accusation of sexual abuse unsubstantiated, does not mean it did not happen, only it can’t be proved
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Exactly.
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Once again the readers of this blog demonstrate they don’t understand how abuse works.
Facts:
The majority of abuse is never complained about or litigated in any way.
Of the remaining small proportion which is litigated, usually decades after it happened, the majority of cases will never reach the level of evidence required for a conviction.
In reality this means the cases we know of are a tiny proportion of the reality, and most cases will never get near a court.
And yes, dioceses will keep statistics about complaints and litigation.
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By the way, my belated thanks to FYI for the link he provided the other day to Complicit Clergy. It contained radio interviews with Thomas Doyle, another ex-cleric, and a former seminarian in a show called Angry Catholic.
Folks, this link is worth checking out and the site is worth subscribing to; I did both.
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1.11: I can’t understand why you could cynically come to that conclusion. We, as priests, understand well the dynamics of GDPR, perhaps more than most. This is too serious an issue for any person to not adhere to its relevance and significance. We are learning all the time about the intricacies of GDPR. It’s not something to mess with. Even now, we have to have written permission from families who request the funeral of a loved one to be recorded and we cannot keep it for public viewing. Only a family member can be given a code..Likewise for sacramental celebrations: parental permission is a prerequisite. Yet, parents use their mobile phones to take photos and send them to relatives, even with photos of other people in shots. Some people disregard all GDPR guidelines. I think the “trolls” you reference come from your constituency of idiots.
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Thank you for confirming, 1:37.
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1:37:
I think a substantial cohort of idiots come from within the clerical constituency. If clerics think the laity will continue to put up, shut up,
and pay up, to prop up a corrupt institution, think again!
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1:37 Wow, a blogger confirming he’s a priest & describing ordinary people as a “constituency of idiots” 🙀
What a surprise, NOT!
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Just to put this out there, but you do realize WordPress and your internet service provider are gathering information about you as you visit this blog, don’t you? 😂🤨🫣🤣😳
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Will WordPress intimidate?
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They’ll probably think it will.
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Who’s intimidating who?
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2.02 He who laughs last, laughs the longest 😂.
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OMG! Darcy OBE is on BBC1 now, talking about the new King.
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Thank God I’m not watching or I would be ill 🤧
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@ 2:37pm
Yar not alone Patsy it’s too sick making, but D’Arcy will never change it’s all bout him🙄
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5.31
Stop sucking up.
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Glad I missed that. Sanctimonious gobshite
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Darcy had to make it all about Darcy. He said that the late Queen invited him to lunch in Buck House. Naturally, he was seated next to HM, who apparently told him that she was a fan of his sermonettes during the Thought for the Day bit of the Terry Wogan show on BBC Radio 2.
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@ 5:58pm
Get a grip ya ejit I’ve been saying that and worse about the attention seeking D’Arcy for years and there is no way I’d suck up to Patsy as I’m sure he will confirm.
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10.48
Surely you meant 5.48?
I’m not laughin’ at cha. 😅
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Falsely accused priests or anybody are collateral damage – Cliff Richard, DJ Fox and Paul Gambochini were a accused, arrested, investigated and say fir example in Fox’s case the magistrate said he believed the victims but threshold of evidence v high (beyond reasonable doubt) so dismissed – same with CMOC – he too was arrested by Surrey Police but they didn’t proceed.
There is a presumption of innocence until proven which is right but hey abusers and predators know this – it’s a game of roulette, some win, some lose.
St Gerard Majella was accused of sexual assault but took it like a man! and didn’t squeal like a little piggie!!
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To suggest survivors of church abuse in the 21st century be like St. Gerard Majella, and not ’squeal like a little piggie’, is total complete and utter nonsense. In 2010, Fr. Hans Kung in a letter to bishops around the world stated…”our church…now finds itself in the worst credibility crisis since the Reformation.” Other commentators claim it is the worst crisis in church history. Christians, including catholic’s, have a duty to challenge corruption, even corruption in the institutional church.
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Do you know any priest out there that does minor deliverance ministry?
Cos I have dabbled in new age therapies before which I need to close it down alltogether.
Hence my request for a priest who does his deliverance ministry.
Thanks.
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4:25 Fr. Pat Collins CM has a deliverance ministry.
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Anon at 5.28pm
Thank you v much.👍
Any priest out there, apart from him just in case if he’s very busy or hard to reach etc.
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5:48 I don’t rate Collins.
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Don’t mix the two Fr McAleers up!
Fr Gerard McAleer – innocent
Fr Ryan McAleer……..
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Pat, it is characteristically fair and just of you to mention when a priest is cleared of wrongdoing, just as much as it is when you highlight when other clergy do harm.
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He should have been silent. Is ” dutifulness” a word ? Must be common in Balmoral Avenue Pennyburn.
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Gerard McAleer was in a couple of Armagh boys schools in the 90s, one of which I attended – he’s about as innocent as Caligula and at least as debauched. Loved showering with the first years and loved patting them on their naked bottoms. And these are the least of the tales I could tell about the thug.
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Total nonsense and ridiculous for Buckley to post.
Gerald McAleer could be described as a very private not so friendly person but never a man with any hurt to others.
Great to see him back in ministry, a vocation he does with diligence.
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Anonymous I am sure you genuinely believe that about Gerard McAleer (unless you are Gerard McAleer himself) but that’s only because you don’t know him the way I and hundreds upon hundreds of Armagh city schoolboys have known him. I am utterly honest here in saying that I have never known a single one who would say a good word about him.
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Others are coming forward with different views
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10.42pm The late Brian P Murphy was in and out, left to marry and have a family and then spent last years of his life in Glenstal. We still miss him from the Milk Market. Rest in peace.
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8.18 Anybody transitioning from the Christian Brothers to diocesan priesthood is running from something and to security…that includes Benedictine monks in Glestall coming to priesthood in their sixties. Ferns has Joe Mc Grath.
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8.18 Are you Mickey Harte ? Clear off out of GAA Louth…Id rather they kept loosing than your dirty tactics. William Mulvihill
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7:25 he’s well connected. Money speaks.
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9.41 There were a couple of million in those parish accounts when he was appointed.
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7.25 I shall testify on Oath that this is what is known. William Joseph John Mulvihill
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Was that unsubstantiated or transubstantiated?
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Ask Mc Aleer about his likes in USA ?
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Those Florida nights! Ask Patrick Fitz!
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10.37 Kevin Donaghy V.G shares them.
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Funny, there’s a Liverpool accent on the blog today.
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9:41 you gotta cob on with da bizzies, have ya?
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Fr McAleer vindicated. Good stuff Why not do a blog on the vindicated It’s the least they deserve.
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Fr Gerard McAleer, I can say as someone from the village of Donaghmore, receives a bad press. He is an excellent pastor and knew the value of distance between cleric and parishioner. I would be less complimentary about Fr David Moore who acted as administrator in Fr McAleer’s absence. His medling in affairs in local schools has caused upheaval. His fast and loose approach to bragging about how much money Donaghmore parish had inherited and his blatant desire to be seen with camp rich individuals would, I’m afraid, suggest he is a diabolical social climber. I would also ask Pat to clearly highlight that Fr Gerard McAleer is absolutely in no way related to Fr Ryan McAleer. The two are chalk and cheese. Fr Ryan McAleer turned his vocation into a complete cesspite of debauchery and effectively desecrated the Eucharist with his behaviour, and everyone knows it. His arrogance has left him in an unenviable place, no matter how he or his supporters may dress it up. I would particularly share my concern over one grammar school teacher in my area who is determined that the school establises links with Maynooth, St Mary’s and wait for it, the Catholic University of Leuven. Ryan McAleer has a connection to all of these institutions, and an even stronger connection to this teaching professional. I’m also aware of a teacher, close to Ryan McAleer, who holidayed with him in Asia, with his boyfriend (who happens to been the other teacher referred to). On learning of Ryan McAleer’s despicable behaviour, this teacher told the victim that he didn’t believe him and would share this with everyone – causing the victim to make an attempt on their own life. I am a close confidante of one victim Pat. Someone who is shocked bu what I’ve been told over a period of more than a year now. I would suggest leadership in Magherafelt and Donaghmore examine their staffing and vet them more.
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9:58 schools provide clergy with unprecedented informal access into families lives without knowledge or consent or these families as let’s face it they only rock up at church for the sacraments and many would be shocked to learn what information is shared.
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You Bishop Pat or your friend William could only dream about having the honesty and integrity of Fr G McAleer.
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10.00pm Lets wait and see…I predict he will not be in situ for very long. The anger of others will now surface….its a pattern.
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10pm No doubt you one of his friends in high places & I’m not talking about what went on in the school showers.
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Darragh Ennis has announced on RTE that he’d love an Irish version of The Chase.
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Darragh met his wife in Maynooth University.
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What are “you people” bringing to the table? Go to Larne, you are of no class.
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I would NEVER allow a child of mine near McAleer.
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