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German Synodal Way Approves Text Calling Homosexual Acts ‘Not Sinful’ and ‘Not Intrinsically Evil’

From complicitclergy.com

At the fourth Assembly of the German Synodal Way, a large majority of the bishops and laity present voted to approve a text that demands the Church change her teaching on homosexuality. 

Entitled “Magisterial reassessment of Homosexuality,” the document includes the following statement: “Same-sex sexuality – also realized in sexual acts – is thus not a sin that separates from God, and it is not to be judged as intrinsically evil.”

The fourth Assembly of the German Synodal Way was held from September 8-10, 2022, in Frankfurt am Main, Germany. The Synodal Assembly consists of the 56 German bishops, 69 representatives of the lay organization “Central Committee of German Catholics,” and several other members of clergy and laity. For a text to be approved, a majority of the members of the Assembly, as well as a two-thirds majority of the bishops, is needed. 

Forty of the 56 German bishops (71%) voted in favor of the text that proposes a change to Church teaching on homosexuality. The document is meant to be submitted to Pope Francis and into the worldwide synodal process. 

PAT SAYS

I agree with the German Synod’s statement on homosexuality and homosexual acts.

But of course this is a direct challenge to the traditnal RCC teachings that homosexual acts are intrinsically evil and are grave sins.

It is a big step for an important national church like the German church to throw down this challenge to Rome, the Vatican and traditional theologians.

But eventually Rome had to eventually agree that the earth was round and not flat.

And it must now prepare to abandon its flat earth approach to human sexuality.

It must learn from the fields of science, medicine and psychology.

These disciplines are also gifts from God and contain well founded sources of wisdom and knowledge.

The Holy Spirit is at work through all knowledge.

The clash of views on human sexuality may very well prompt a schism in the RCC?

As someone said:

“Sex will be the Catholic Church’s 21st century Galileo”.
 

And strange that the country that produced the most recent conservative pope is now challenging conservative Catholic theology.

75 replies on “German Synodal Way Approves Text Calling Homosexual Acts ‘Not Sinful’ and ‘Not Intrinsically Evil’”

Great news: legislation in the US to remove the statute of limitations for CSA is progressing and now just needs Biden’s signature:
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/dem/releases/durbin-blackburn-introduce-bipartisan-eliminating-limits-to-justice-for-child-sex-abuse-victims-act
This means all the cases you read about that have timed out can now go through court. I guess it could even be another $4 billion in punitive damages.

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Seems sensible and fair to me. I guess it is already the case in the UK and Ireland. I remember a guy who was 100 being imprisoned for 7 years for his abuse of two young girls back in the ’50s. They had more or less forgotten about it until they saw him being lauded in the local newspapers on his 100th birthday. They took their story to the police, he was prosecuted and at even over 100 he was found guilty and imprisoned for 7 years. I guess he has died / will die in prison. Rightly so. There should no limitation on whether a worthy case should be tried and a guilty individual brought to justice. I guess there will be some clergy around who are hoping that they die quietly before their crimes come to the light and they end up in prison. There are still a lot of them out there. By the way, anybody know when that creep Bede Walsh will be getting out of prison ? I think he probably needs to be careful, because I’m sure there are lots of other things he did that did not come out at the time. He could find himself being prosecuted for new offences and back in prison if people do come forward.

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The last time I heard of that arrogant execrable pile he was at HM Pleasure in Durham. He still refuses to accept his guilt and culpability, and refuses to cooperate with any of the rehabilitation programmes, so I would expect that he will not get out on license after half his sentence is served as is normal for well behaved and cooperative prisoners, and he will probably end up doing the majority of it. Didn’t he get something like 20 + years ? I don’t doubt that his diocese and his old clergy pals will rally round when he is finally let out. Once a priest, always a priest, even if he has been laicised. The old Cotton / Oscott / Birmingham clerical fraternity will make sure of that.

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Yes, it’s like the redress scheme for the mothers and babies homes and the like, they hope to wear victims out so they die waiting. Anything to save the Church saving a few quid for fancy trips, hobbies & holiday homes for Bishops and all that jazz. Greedy out. They won’t be worrying about the electric bill this winter.

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He got 22 years, and the halfway mark will be next March. However, if he’s not cooperating, he may die inside.

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The Irish would still be living in the dark without German technology, perhaps German theology will take the Irish Church out of the dark corridors of lies & hell it currently occupies.

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12.30 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
“Would be”!! What about the priest guys on this blog using shopping centres and beaches for sexual gratification. Don’t tell me they’ve come out of the dark ages. Far from it.

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This would matter if:
1) the Church’s teaching on homosexuality were reformable, which it is not
2) we concerned ourselves with liberal Protestant interpretations of Scripture, which we do not
3) the natural law did not forbid it, which it does.

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12:34 is a troll comment, 7:22, the sole purpose of which is to be offensive and/or start a row. It’s probably the same cleric/s who keep/s on about Vatican 2, polyester and gay clergy.

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8:46am. The stars of the blog are polyester poncho fans, to be fair, and are Vatican II men to their fingertips.

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@ 12:34am

Exactly, this dreadful synodal path leads only to perdition. It will not satisfy the poly’s who will only ask for more. Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile.🙄

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10.27 who is funding all this Synodal grasping at straws stuff hoping that unresolved case victims will die in the meantime without justice and they dream they will all carry on regardless with 2 fingers up to society. Unbelievable arrogance. They claim to have class but are clearly utterly lawless in their day to day operations.

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6.50 The clergy and housekeeping staff of the Parochial House in Armagh in the time of Mc Quillan should not be able to sleep at night….and the people in Ara Coeil who knew full well that previous harm was happening.

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A long running fight over who gets to run a parish has landed a group of clerics in a Congolese civil court.
Dominican friars are fighting their Archbishop Cardinal Fridolin Ambongo.
The administrative offices remain closed whilst this fight over land continues denying parishioners access to important documents.

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Spiritual leaders have an incredible power to influence others under their care for good. But there are some who exploit their positions of power to control others for their own purposes. This is one of the most heinous forms of betrayal because it is done in the name of God.

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Clerics and members demanding special treatment. Living lavishly and recklessly. Silence their critics by demonising them. Surround themselves with people who only sing their praises.

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2.06 Day 4 and still no response from Killaloe Diocese™️ re. access to Personal Data. Ad interim, MIA Killaloe priests are making merry, gallivanting around the countryside & abroad, and passing on messages about my life to minions. YOU (plural) are being held accountable. I wonder if Mark Nestor will make use of Jerry Carey’s villa in Spain as he begins his ecumenical studies?

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10.29 Ennis parishioners very disappointed in Mark Nestors parting shot when he voted AGAINST reducing the local property tax rate in Clare. Not very charitable, he’s the makings of a good company man allright. Is it true that Council will be paying him or is he on the public sector career break scheme whilst he studies for the priesthood. They get some of their wages for a number of years.
Only three Clare Councillors were decent enough to vote FOR reducing the Property tax bill in Clare. These councillors were:
Ann Norton, Independent
Gerry Flynn, Independent
Donna McGettigan, Sinn Fein
NOT PRESENT
Mary Howard, Fine Gael
Ian Lynch, Independent

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10.56 Disgraceful about the property taxes. Where were the two councillors (one of whom is GF’s BFF) that were NOT PRESENT?

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Ad nauseum ad finitim. You have put more personal data on here than even Mossad could get if they tried.

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5:10pm Canon Todd – What a prize Pratt you are, all that information is in the newspapers & other current public media plus GF’s BFF has featured on RTE into investigations on Councillors double expense claims & has featured in the media photos etc for years with BFFs including Fr Jerry Carey. Nothing private being disclosed here about these public servants. Shame Fr Ger Fitzgerald didn’t stay in your crappy Castleconnell, the fall out in Ennis will be felt for years, he was the most unsuitable appointment for Cloughleigh or indeed anywhere. Ye can keep him – he can feck off back to where he sprouted from, waster, we used to laugh & say he had shares in sweet shop, little did we know truth until it too late.

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5.10 It seems to me, Canon Todd, that you are losing traction on the blog with your insidious comments about the housing estate in Castleconnell and your cheap pot shots at me. Keep up the good work 😁. Kol kalb bidgi yomo 😆.

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6.26 I bet the sweet shop sweetened GF up alright! Did they sell him any well-wrapped Chocolate Oranges? I do hope that the replacement Padre in Cloughleigh is doing his job and staying away from the sweets 🍭 🍫 🍬.

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No wait. If the church calls homosexuality intrinsically evil, that means it’s ok to call the church intrinsically evil, right?

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Apparently there is some controversy over the procedure used by the Assembly connected to voting procedure i.e. secret ballot or open vote.
I find Joseph Ratzingers influence in Church affairs from Vatican II up
to the present remarkable. He was German Cardinal Frings’s 35-year-old protégé, peritus, and considered all around theological Wunderkind, who influenced the course of Vatican II by deposing Cardinal Ottavianis pre-Council initiatives to continue as usual. Ratzinger was considered one of ‘the most gifted German pro-reform theologians’ according to Peter Seewald. As head of the CDF, Ratzinger must have known the extent of clerical CSA in the Church worldwide. The sexual abuse of minors by priests was his responsibility to investigate from 2001 when that charge was given to the CDF by Pope John Paul II. Before given this charge, Cardinal Ratzinger was theoretically privy to all sexual abuse cases within the Church.

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It is the duty of the living to do that for them.

Clergy deliberately engage members & volunteers in acts to support wrong doing that benefits church interests.

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Sorry, but the Church is already a bit late to the party. Only the bad, sad and odd think about sin when it comes to homosexuality. In fact, they don’t really think of sin at all about anything. So, the Church is really flogging a dead horse. Life, history and most of the world has moved on…..thankfully.

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The Church will not change its teaching on homosexual acts, because it cannot do so.
Scripture, especially the New Testament, is unequivocal about the moral nature of these acts.

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Lots of gay stuff in the NT, but the best gay story is David and Jonathan. When David hugged Jonathan, the Hebrew text says ‘he increased’!

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Has anyone sent you the details of the Irish priests flying to gay villages in the UK? Well known in the Irish communities here in Manchester and Birmingham.

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I do see some Brum clergy about. But not come across any of the Irish in Brum so far, but will keep my eyes and ears open. I’d have thought it made more sense for the Irish Queens to head to London – bigger scene and more anonymity. Brum is quite intimate. And you’re liable to run in to ‘you know who’ ! Not that he’d be put off, bold as brass that one !

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Mark
I heard back from my ex therapist. He said he terminated his services with ALL of towards healing clients including myself. But I left him for a break before Covid came in. That’s why I wasn’t notified.
I guess he’s in a retirement mode right now. He said he might refer me to another therapist if available but he’s not sure.

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2.17 Toward Healing are now fearful of the build up of their files and what will surely bite them in the future. Disingenuous RCC.

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There were four in the friendship group, I have had the privilege of knowing 3. I did not know Mick McGirr. Tommy McGeough RIP was a saint. Denis Paul was a saint and John Bradley is a living saint. Under the influence of John Bradley Tommy ( a company man) Bradley and Mc Geough said no to Brady offering them the title of Canon because Bastard Brady was punishing Paul and not giving him the title…none of them became Canons. What a fucking ridiculous title anyway !!!

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2:41 Deaf Guy isn’t that difficult to identify, that would make them cagey about him.

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Hi DG @2:17pm,
Your former therapist might recommend someone with similar training to himself. I suggest contacting various counselling/psychotherapy associations in Ireland to inquire if they know of therapists with the background and training you need. What about finance for fees?

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Mark at 6.10pm

I will have to wait and see cos he hadn’t responded yet re referral. Its early days yet.

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Bill, your spelling is almost as bad as Pat’s…..but not quite.
Anyway, you are totally correct about the silly title of Canon being used in the Church today. Absolutely out of touch with the real world. Noel Treanor had let the Cathedral Chapter all but die out…….until this year. He recently appointed about ten new canons and several honorary ones!!! Clogher diocese can’t function without canons…..there’s as many retired ones there as serving ones…….totally daft in today’s world.

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My spelling is not that bad. It’s my Prince Charles fingers on my small keyboard.

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I don’t believe the German synodal text means what you think, Pat. It isn’t a statement on the moral neutrality of gay sex; it’s more a ‘it isn’t as bad as we’ve traditionally taught’ revision.

‘is thus not a sin THAT SEPARATES FROM GOD’ is not the same as ‘is thus not a sin’.

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Yes, that’s exactly what it is.

The dissenting German bishops want a moral regrading of gay sex from mortally sinful to venially sinful.

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A “fruits of Vatican II” post in the latest issue of The Tablet:
“Dublin priest Fr Aquinas Duffy told The Tablet that he spent seven years in Clonliffe College. “I was just 17 years old when I entered and I was 24 when I was ordained. I was one of the few in recent decades to be ordained in the church at Clonliffe College. I also had two separate appointments working in the diocesan offices for a few years. So Clonliffe holds a special place in my heart.”
When he was ordained in 1984, the Dublin seminary had about 94 students in addition to a few students at the Irish College in Rome. “Now we do not have even one student for the entire seven-year period,” he lamented.”

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-62904087
Comboni: Sexual abuse victims welcome apology from missionaries
BBC News.2 days ago.
“A victim of child sexual abuse at a priest training school has said missionaries “begged for forgiveness” at a meeting.
Mark Murray was one of several abuse survivors who met the Comboni Missonaries in London on Tuesday.
The 66-year-old from St Asaph, Denbighshire endured repeated abuse by a priest while at St Peter Claver College in West Yorkshire.
The Comboni Survivors Group said it was “deeply moved” by the meeting.
The group was invited to meet Cardinal Vincent Nichols, Archbishop of Westminster, and other seniors clerics, including members of the Comboni Missionaries at the Archbishop’s House in Westminster.”

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The German Church is financially rich but its believers are aging and shrinking in number. Aside from the Chicoms, to whom Francis betrayed Chinese Catholics (Cardinal Zen, who suffered from negative Chicom attentions, introduced the Mandarin language New Mass to mainland China from Taiwan with the Mass as of 1949 mostly now for older folk), the Germans keep paedo-heretics of the Vatican afloat (all those pals of Francis from Inzoli onwards, who molested more after Francis restored faculties to a convicted paedo). Being ‘up to date’ will be regarded as risible and even negatively by younger people who want solid values for themselves and their children, only really appealing to a shrinking cohort affluent liberal left but religious boomers, basically Merkel voters.

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