The Tablet
Belgian Flemish-speaking bishops have approved a blessing ceremony for homosexual couples, using several statements by Pope Francis to challenge the Vatican doctrinal office’s ban that said God “cannot bless sin”.
The three-page Belgian document said “such a prayerful moment can be quite simple. The difference with what the Church understands as a sacramental marriage must also remain clear.”
After suggesting prayer texts for the couple and the whole congregation, the document says the ceremony should end with an “intercession, Our Father, closing prayer (and) blessing”.
SAME SEX BLESSINGS IN CHURCH HISTORY
LOS ANGELES TIMES
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-06-08-ls-1848-story.html
“Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe” (Villard Books) asserts that from the 8th to the 18th Centuries, the Catholic church sanctioned same-sex unions and offered ceremonies complete with prayers for the couple’s union, Holy Communion and rubrics directing the couple to kiss a book of the Gospel, the priest and one another
PAT SAYS
This is a very big development in the RCC.
Now, Belgian and German bishops are determined to go against the Vatican on this major issue.
I can’t see either sets of bishops backing down.
It will be hard for the Vatican to back down.
That means a collision is on the table.
Will ot lead to a new Reformation?
But. The RCC has a history of blessing sane sex unions.
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
217 replies on “BELGIAN BISHOPS APPROVE TEXT FOR SAME SEX UNIONS.”
Good. As a priest had to do so many ‘friendship ‘ blessings.. if clergy can have gay sex at will ..with no commitment.. nights in Boiler House. Roscrea monastery kitchen, holidays in London and Thailand for bishops etc.. I have blessed houses, cars, sports facilities.. animals, football pitches.. medals etc.. Nice to have a text finally for gay humans.. but the Latin / lace brigade mightnt be happy with the translation from the original Latin.. is it novus ordo or tradentine enough?
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@ 10:49am
All these things you’ve listed should not be happening in the first place. No matter what happens with these mad and bad ‘Belgian bishops’ it will never be enough for the Novus/ ordo brigade because with that mad bunch its give them a inch and they want a mile, a pox on the lot of them.🙄
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Some sane Irish priests bless gay couples. Madness is in the eye of the beholder.
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11.25
Would you, for Christ’s sake, ever give the fuck over about ‘Novus Ordo’! You are a stuck recording, and you are boring the hell out of everyone here.
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New pp in roscrea will love this.. he can’t bless himself tho.. maybe one of the 2 MIA co pps might oblige?
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His boyfriend will be loving life now, nice wee sporty number he drives for a healthcare assistant.
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Belgium’s bishops rival Ireland’s duds in the destruction of Catholic practise, and frankly out do them, with active Catholics close to a rounding error, far outnumbered by Moslems and others. It was significant that the Pope on election was flanked by the lewd Danneels (the story on the loss of his episcopal ring and its recovery is suggestive) responsible for among other things a rather paedophilic sex education. Francis the friend of Grassi and restorer of the priesthood of Inzoli, who abused more children when his faculties were temporarily restored by Francis, is probably content with this, and the general collapse in vocations after his new appointment to Mechelen-Brussels but will allow issue a pro-forma criticism from a dicastery to see how the kite flies. I honestly think a gay man might stay far away from this disreputable crew. If he wants an aesthetic Cath tradition blessing, he probably could resort to some Union of Ultrecht, Old Cath priest. This is a plastic in oceans sort of thing, that is, empty virtue signalling, as empty as Belgian Catholic churches.
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There was the embarrassing/scandalous farce in which the police discovered a young man living with Danneels in his palace when they conducted a dawn raid and arrested the disgraced cardinal.
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Danneels was one creep I’ll tell ya boy but had the gift of the gab alright, could have sold a circumcision to a Jew hey
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That other louche lib, Cardinal “Nighty-night baby, I love you” Tobin, also had a live-in lover in his palace.
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Pat, below is a further extract from the article mentioned, please note the university, KU Leuven (Fr Ryan McAleer is having influence on church attitude to gay unions – doesn’t he work at that university?!). Moreover, Fr Ryan is supported in his recent use of Grindr and midnight sexual encounters in forests in Tyrone, by Archbishop Martin. Apparently the response from Armagh was “that is a matter for Ryan to address himself”.
“Fr Jos Moons, a theologian at KU Leuven university, told VRT that “homosexual relationships have been celebrated by some bishops and priests in Flanders for some time, albeit clandestinely and secretly. The fact that people now speak out so clearly is good news.”
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1:36 this is the obvious solution and when a new Pope is appointed, rules can be changed & all outstanding allegations & abuse claims cancelled. We need many more Ryan McAleers to secure the future of our church. Bravo!
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@9.28 – sir, you are correct. One rule the Pope should change is the canonical interpretation of adultery to include sexual relations with men (especially the married variety), as well as women. Then Ryan McAleer would not slip through the net 🙂
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9.28am – having gay sex is one thing. Abuse is totally different, you despicable McAleer-supporting piece of sh*t
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Pat I am disappointed that you published a comment which supports the abusive actions of Ryan McAleer on this blog. You purport to defend against Church abuse.
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Go talk to Ryan McAleer’s victims. You are a disgrace.
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Good morning Pat. I was so delighted to read this article today of all days. It is good that same sex relationships are beginning to be recognised by some elements of the church. Today is my first anniversary with my partner and I hope to enjoy many many more, as you so have with Eduardo also. Big shout out to my Aldo for when he reads the blog later also. Have a nice day everyone.
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Are you religious Danso? Or why do you care about the RCC and their stance on homosexual relationships? Anything to yap about you moronic son of a *****
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No offence but the chances are you two will not last the next year, like so many gay relationships they fall at the first hurdle.
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Pat May you inform Martin of how long your successful partnership has lasted with Ed please.
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15 years
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Howling at the homophobia in the comments.
I’ve got news for you – less than 10% of humans have a permanent gay orientation, so all the sexual partners you say they get are in the other 90% . 😂
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Sounds like you are waiting to swoop in at the first opportunity…….and it feels like jealousy
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A big sign of gay commitment is the mutual deletion of Grindr. Then one of the partners cracks…
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Sorry, Martin, but happy and stable gay couples are thriving on every side. You need not imitate Satan writhing in envy at the sight of married bliss.
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No.
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If one partner is not getting enough (or any) sex then they have the right to seek it elsewhere I think.
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You claim to support the community and yet you allow this nasty abuse take place by closeted men like Martin
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9:36 very cynical comment 🤨
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Congratulations Danso; on a blog dominated by negativity and fake news, this is great news. Long may your partnership continue in happiness.
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I will second that positivity Brenda. Thanks to this blog I found the lesbian love of my life and we are living proof of success, along with Pat and Ed.
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9.40
Agreed, not right bit tried and human nature.
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Same sex unions -well the Vatican eventually copped that the world was round, not flat. Hopefully the penny will drop with them on gay marriage soon. The Germans have the right idea.
Bill Mulvihill – this is actually quite a serious issue. Like many people on here (I daresay) I did not believe the globetrotting stories and was irritated at his political views. A lot of sensible people spend too much time watching RT (Russia Today) a channel which would make Lord Haw Haw blush. But I had no idea his situation is what it is. I thought he was writing his comments from the comfort of his apartment in Greystones and was convinced he was still there.
Clearly what is going on is a serious mental health issue worsened by being homeless. This I believe is further complicated by the fact that Bill is a priest and has no life skills at all like a normal person e.g. dealing with social welfare, housing etc. Stuck in his ways he may have run out of money and stopped paying the rent instead of getting dole and HAP. It is very sad.
At this stage is it worth referring the issue to Eamon Martin? Surely he has properties free somewhere that Bill could be given temporarily? Pat please publish this comment. Bill needs help.
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Bill is getting HAP and also has another source of monthly income.
His problem is that he will not accept that he is ill.
As a result of his illness he attacks all who are good to him.
I offered him a room here for as long as he wants.
But he wants to live in Dublin / Wicklow.
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OK Pat fair enough but how can he be getting HAP if he has no home? You need to have a home before getting HAP. I know he has the flat in Greystones -surely DCC or Wicklow could have assisted?
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Bill has an address. He is camping adjacent to that address.
Hevalso has a free travel card.
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A compassionate comment by you, Todd, especially given your various spats with Bill here on the blog. Although he got a pay-off, it is essential that a person who loses a job, quickly gets an income as well. The capital sum is soon whittled away if used for day-to-day living expenses. I hope he gets sorted out soon.
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Pat, just to be clear, he doesn’t have the apartment anymore but is living in a tent near it? I appreciate your efforts. You have done your best. Being silly with money does not help this situation at all.
I@9.37 I had plenty of spats with Bill but didn’t got too deep. Once he claimed to support Putin I gave up. You are 100% right about money disappearing – unless you have massive reserves having no income will leave you broke and fast.
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Todd’s response is anything but compassionate. He is a fake & a narc just like his buddy in Castleconnell. I know you probably won’t publish this Patsy. You say one thing but very often do another…as in the case of you know who.
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Todd, with the pandemic,the council have become overwhelmed. I was unfortunate enough in my circumstance to have had to apply to be on it in 2021 , an application that should take 9-12 weeks, took 5 months in level 5 lockdown l before I could avail of support. I was working and told them to fuck off by then in disgust , I now in recent weeks have been fighting other cases and lobbying other peoples issues, and a few well worded letters that I have threatened to publish,purely just to give them a headache.i have comtacted the head of housing in recent weeks, not for my situation as I don’t need their support, I have contacted to local tds aswell to highlight the issue if ehat is really going on.
I was in saint Vincent de Paul recently and a woman in her pajamas with three kids hanging off her , got no help except a referral that day to another Charity and they are usually brilliant.
While not everyone on the council had that much difficulty, things are bad, very bad!
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@10.13 that’s very bad. When SvP cant help its a very bad sign. Rialtas na hEireann should be stepping in fast this winter.
@9.38 the person you refer to in Castleconnell isn’t my pal at all. This is nonsense. Time and again me and many others on this blog have attempted to talk sense into you but have failed miserably. You have nothing, nada. If I were a judge your case would have been thrown out long ago. Yvonne was far more wronged and you hardly hear a peep from her except when goaded by you.
Pat you published that attack at 9.38, please publish my response.
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Who’a Canon Todd? And who’s ‘you know who, and who are all these anonymous ones! Find our after the break!!?? 🙄😜 some are quite obvious, but maybe BP everyone should be registered and verified through email to comment ? This is getting as as bad as twitter 🤭
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For all non Irish devotees – HAP??
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Another interesting response from Canon Todd…
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He sees through your bullshit!
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And there’s no affordable accomodstion for single recipients. There is a crisis.
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9.38
You mean you can’t manipulate/coax pat to do what you want to do,especially regarding you know who.
Even you know who can’t tell pat what to do, he would do the opposite.. just to make a point.
pats a leader , not a follower 🤣 like everyone on this blog…
pat wouldn’t adhere to he’s own bosses back in the day.
Wake up!
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They are helping , but the pandemic , most people not working less financial donations and sales from donations in the shops, yet figures and stats have doubled for support. Alot are struggling , they… like most charities and the council are deciding and prioritising at this point , to those in need in comparison to those in dier need, much like the hse and hospitals. Sad but true!!. yvonne!!
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Will you govway and get help or the very least grow a brain and respond with relevance.
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You really are a daft plank , please keep commenting.
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@2.52 do keep up
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Did the offending priest ever discuss in pillow talk with you , stories he heard in confession and if he did how often and did he specifically tell you who it came from when he told you a story ?
Given it’s our community and we know everyone ….
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@3:38 one thing most of the comments on the subject of the day blog is not “relevance”, more grammar for you to correct. Sorry Canon Todd can’t keep up with all the B.S. sometimes, 🥲
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Will this lead the way for Priests to be able to have sex in the future? I think it will. Celibacy to be scrapped for all.
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They are all having sex anyway, with each other. Daisy Chain NI is the non penetrating group that watch porn and wank only.
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County Down is very popular and busy…….
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This is Pats blog and he will do as he so wishes; if you feel you can contribute a better version I dare you all!
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9.38
It’s pats blog 😄
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I agree, 2.52pm you should be registered and verified , your an idiot, classic one!
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That would be “you’re”
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@11:11 there is a crisis and nobody I know can afford to live alone no matter what the circumstances (maybe in a tent unfortunately), so unless more people want to live in Roscommon that is apparently the cheapest place in Ireland. Living outside Galway City with 3 others and paying 950 pm. 🤬😡
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The Ukranians (real and pretend) and DP merchants don’t pay a red cent, and that’s what the Irish people have voted for.
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Are you sure you are not just mixed up and WM is not just on holiday? At his age he probably wants to experience new adventures. Where is this man he has been dating also? Is he camping with him?
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Was Bill dating again? That’s news to me, is this true Pat?
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Not that I know of.
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From Cabins on the beach in Oz to a tent in Dublin eh, how they mighty fall
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10:56. What a heartless comnent. Hope it never happens to you.
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@1.32 pm. I don’t think @10.56 am was being heartless. It has to be taken in to account that a lot of people were taken in and did believe what Bill Mulvihill was saying. To be honest so was I. It wasn’t until a couple of days ago after Bishop Pat had Bill at table and next thing on the blog he was threatening Bishop Pat with legal action!!!!! I had to read Bill’s comment twice, it was at that point that I realised that Bill’s behaviour was somewhat erratic.
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11.02 might not contribute a better version but def a more revealing less moderated version with plenty of scandal and juice lol
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1:04 when does it start? Can’t wait to contribute.
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If I send you £300 cheque for Bill would you pass it on to him?
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Bill does not need money. He continue to buy unecessary luxury items worth hundreds of euros.
Recently a friend gave him € 16,000 and an Armagh priest sent him £ 1,500
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Is he still buying useless Art?
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Hush money!! Wow – Bill really could write a book lol
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No surprise. Only a matter of time before the Roman Catholic Church uses its wealth and influential network to legalise child abuse and human trafficking etc, after all much church wealth was built on labour from mother and baby laundries & from illegal adoptions and trafficking.
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Pat when was the last time Bill actually went on a lavish holiday then? He made a vow of poverty, not arrogance.
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Bill is not and never was a Red and therefore never took a vow of poverty or celibacy.
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11.19 he’s no Tony Flannery for sure.
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Tony Flannery has wanted for nothing, being fed, clothed and housed by the Church he’s spent his whole adult life excoriating.
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7:21 Flannery and his inner circle all the same.
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Can’t wait to read all the comments from gay priests protesting this. Just like they have clerical sex abuse.
No, wait…
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William is a very interesting and intellectual man and usually these people have very serious mental health needs. It is clear he is mentally challenged but we should offer up our support entirely.
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Ask Fathers Paul Taylor, Pearse Walsh and Paddy Moran a out being good to Bill.
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Like Bill, I am a raving homosexual with a self destruct button but unlike him I have good people around me to tell me when I am going off the rails.
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God the sight of Bill on top of a horse, draped in Bishop Pats newly bought curtains from Harry Corrys, galloping through the mountains to head back to his tent……..
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I thought Harry Corey wouldn’t have been high brow enough for you Pat but I’m sure you got a lovely set what colour?
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Menarys Pale green.
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Bill is getting HAP and also has another source of monthly income.
His problem is that he will not accept that he is ill.
As a result of his illness he attacks all who are good to him.
I offered him a room here for as long as he wants.
But he wants to live in Dublin / Wicklow.
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Pat you have done all you can for Bill, it is now up to him to look at his Christian views and accept your generosity. You have been a fantastic friend to him and I got one salute you.
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And, I am still willing to help him.
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Eamon your a legend, you were with yesterdays comment too , I like the glass of wine touch 😁.
Pat is doing a good job at redeeming himself and helping bill.
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Bill Is more than welcome to stay with me also Bishop Buckley. How is he around children though? They are school most days anyway and would be out of his way. He was a great Pp when we had him I was always fond of him.
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Bill needs time to recover.
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@11.07 am
Bill cannot recover until he first accepts that he is unwell and is prepared to work towards change, take medication and accept therapy and take it all on board. You cannot help a person unless they are willing to help themselves.
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Do you think you and bill will get back on track again? It would be a shame for him to throw away a valued friendship.
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Just to explain to readers outside Ireland, Housing Assistance Payment (HAP) is a form of social housing support provided by local authorities to pay all or most of the rent of eligible people.
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Like Housing Benefit on the mainland.
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And talking of mainland – you’ve exposed the daisy chain in Scotland and there’s reference to similar in Ireland – why would the boyos not want everyone to have the same – “cake and eat it” that they have themselves – great auld life with a pal to share it with 🤷🏾♂️ Would love to hear from all those mentioned in despatches this year in Glasgay and all over the Emerald Isle how much comfort they get from their partners – even as they screw the rest of us – 🏴 & 🇮🇪
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Some commentators like Martin, are just nasty and need to get a life, go for a walk mate
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9.43: Hold on now with your smart attack on Martin. Bill was the creator and architect of his own situation. His delusional grandiosity was farcical from the beginning. Bill should have been disbarred from the blog a long time aago when it was obvious that there was something quite amiss with his rhetoric, threats, bullying, allegations, ugkuness of language, boasting he was living the high life.. Was any of this true? It was hare to jnow who the real Bill was. Psychologically the signs were there to warrant intervention but it was easier to let him continue to self implode..It was fun for some. It provided entertainment. I have long questioned the treatment of many chosen individuals by the legions who use this blog to trample and stampede all over people. Despite the legitimacy and necessity of criticisms, our quest for truth and justice cannot be attained at any price! I hooe Bill will seek the professional help he require a and leaves behind these past few months where he was devoured by many nasty wolves. Walk another pathway to light, Bill.
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@11.32 am
There is a lot of truth in your writing.
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Pat, Bill told me that you have been very good to him and done all you can to help him. He was ready to canonize you. But Bill falls out with everyone, especially if they address his very apparent illness. I’m very sorry he is lashing our at you now. He has done the same to me and dozens of others. He needs diagnosis and treatment.
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Bill ruins every friendship and relationship he has ever had, but the biggest mistake he ever made was to fall out with himself.
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9:02 true, Bill is not very sophisticated when it comes to knowing where his bread is buttered.
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Noel Treanor blesses all his priests gay relationships and his motto is “just be careful and don’t get caught”
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Gabriel Lyons reached out to William Mulvihill and was not a big happy with the response he received. Bill is truly sick at this time and he should be in all our prayers.
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If Gabriel Lyons is reaching out and is disappointed then it’s speaks volumes for the recipients state of mind.
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Them belgiums and Germans are Randy gits, must be something in the beer and chocolate
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Why do you think your friend Ryan is there?
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Hi Pat, hope you are having a lovely end to the summer. Do not forget you have e an open invitation to The Devenish where you will be wined and dined for 50% off.
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About the bishops and their same sex blessing plans. Get over it ! Have they not got more important issues to concern themselves with than spending an inordinate amount of time making judgements and decisions about peoples’ relationships ? Pretty much nobody else thinks that these things are important. It’s only the clergy who bang on about them, because its a self-creating theological and moral theology that makes them feel important, making decisions about other people. I think we have had enough of that clergy instant wisdom and telling us what to do. I would prefer to hear them say things about tax cuts for the rich, working people not being paid enough and having to go to food banks, about the zealotry and arrogance of politicians who blatantly are out to make life easier for their mates and their class. There is a lot of stuff the dear bishops could turn their minds to and keep themselves busy.
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i Marriage, ii procreation and iii childbirth never belonged to any religion, the church was solely i where someone could write a register or iii it was a community centre.
ii Churches intruded into privacy in the 1920s as a warped excuse for their “sacraments”.
Any couple should ask friends for a personal blessing. No-one needs an organisational blessing.
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Not true. Many gay couples ask for blessings and many priests are happy to arrange a blessing ceremony.
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After you buying him new curtains and bed lining and this is how he treats our Pat, no Pat, kick him to the kirb for goof you don’t deserve to be treated like this.
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Bill had been sleeping in a tent. I wanted him to have comfort and a good rest.
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Bill once told us that homeless people choose to be homeless, so maybe he has found a new way of life for himself.
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You are a good spud, one in a million Pat.
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@10.07 am. Bishop Pat. How did Bill finish up homeless and living in a tent? Surely he is aware of his situation and that he is not living the high life, jetting here, there and everywhere like he had people believe.
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What’s he going to do with curtains in a tent!! 🤔
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It was in my guest room 😀
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What kind of car does Bill drive? At one stage he was going through cars like glasses of wine.
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Bill has not had a car for at least 4 years
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He must be saving up for a horse Pat.
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@ 10:19am
FFS, Patsy waken up and smell the coffee, Bileen is beyond help, he needs to be sectioned for his own good. There are people you can’t help and he is one of them. All these people who’ve given him money are being scammed including you, he’s not as green as he’s cabbage looking. He is a danger to himself and others. I’m afraid it will end badly and it will be the price of him.
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@12.16 pm
I think there is a lot of truth in your post. However it is not that easy to get a person sectioned.
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Fintan’s dog is ‘ready for action!’. I do hope that Barra sets an example for his master.
https://twitter.com/bishopfintan/status/1573689545639579648?s=46&t=AaWMEma_JIGTY0xqgcclkQ
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Killaloe Diocese clearly taking care of important business there
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9.30 well at least the Bishops pooch is doing better than William Mulvihill, it has a roof over its head, grub on the table and spins in the car and everything. It probably has one of those Pet Mania sparkly teeth plans advertised yesterday. Smart dog.
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Whatever about that bishop but I do love the dog!! Much easier to live with a pooch in the big mansion in ennis😁 but the last bishop opened his grounds to travellers and homeless if my memory serves me correctly?
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I think willy needs to take Fintan under he’s wing,they were attending parties in recent weeks in public , not drinking !willy is apparently respected !
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You refused to listen to me last month when I told you Bill got drunk and was slabbering about you something shocking.
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Fr McCann you as visiting a young man in the RVH yesterday. His nephew……
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Oh here we go with the rumours now trying to distract from Bill and the Belgiums
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Fintan is relatively new , good old willy left a good rep before he retired . Speaks volumes !
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I remember helping out a homeless centre called Cornerstone in Manchester at St Augustine’s RC church in the early 1990s. A regular client was a former priest, who had fallen on hard times. I wonder how many do end up in tightened financial circumstances, with few life skills, and the ability to cope in the real word.
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I don’t know how my colleagues all afford holidays and fancy cars. I struggle to get by on a weekly basis. I am also in a poor parish and they don’t even say thank you for a funeral mass never mind hand you a tip.
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Poleglass doesn’t have a Pp anymore so stop spouting your crap on here and focus on yourself Delia
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9:37 you are obviously not so “well in” with your Bishop. Plum appointments go to the good boys.
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St Augustine’s is one of the ugliest churches in England.
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I would love it if Bill found a man and settled down, you can’t live a life with them demons into pension hood.
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Bill is well past the settling down stage fuck sake are you expecting him on first dates now?
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More the undateables lol
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I don’t think he is, Sir Ian McKellan and him would make a remarkable couple.
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Is William even gay? Or is this more speculation about a private citizens personal life?
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Sad about William Mulvihill, I hope he is receiving appropriate services in Dublin or Wicklow. I left the church many years ago but it’s also very important not to allow these church types to live rent free in ones head. There is no cost to them inside the fold. Hope all works out well for Bill. Pax.
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Has bill been commenting Pat and you have just been binning the comments? Does he have internet access?
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Bilk has not been commenting.
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Pat I see that under Ireland’s Mental Health Act 2001 an application for involuntary admission can be made by anyone, although apparently not if the person has a diagnosed personality disorder. It is never easy to do this but surely if a person is obviously unwell, lacks insight and spending money they haven’t got, it may be the best thing to do to force them to get treated.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/health_services/mental_health/admission_to_a_psychiatric_hospital.html
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Her majesty the Queen Elizabeth II must be turning in her grave at the antics of you lot today.
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Did you see the tories have scrapped giving funny condom wrappers away for fear of offending the lgbt community
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This blog is crazy but it’s one reason I love it lol
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I can not believe you once commented that Fr E O’Hagan was cute. Fr Patrick Buckley I do so hope you do not repeat such scandalous opinions.
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Pat aren’t you sick of finding topics for this blog every day? When Gerry Adam’s dies will you or have you a feature on him already prepared like the news channels all would?
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Gerry Adams is one of NI and Irelands greatest service men
Make no doubt about it
National day of mourning? Unfortunately not
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11:31 Mourn not for Adams but for yourselves and for his victims.
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Gerry Adams won’t be missed.
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Hoping Bill Mulvihill receives and accepts the care that he requires. Noting that clergy who have served great injustices on others continue to be supported and protected by the Church, it will be refreshing if Archbishop Martin would put their past differences aside and reach out to ex priest William Mulvihill in what sounds like his greatest hour of need and hoping that he will not be too proud to accept the hand of goodwill from the Archbishop when it is offered.
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Even if only for a roof over his head. Sleeping in a tent will be no fun in the winter.
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Grand morning for cleaning windows 🪟
parish priest a grand man, gives a good tip too but then I’m no gossip.
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To the help cleaning he’s windows? 😂
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Damnit meant to put this link too
https://www2.hse.ie/wellbeing/mental-health/involuntary-admission-being-admitted-to-hospital-against-your-will.html
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I have been involved in a few involuntary sectionings in the past and they are a bureaucratic nightmare to organise. The current law is an extreme reaction to older legislation which allowed people to be locked away much easier. This could and did lead to abuses. It is incredibly difficult to help a “clever” person who requires help but doesn’t believe it himself.
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Yes. The Irish law is still better than England where of the public only the legally defined nearest relative can initiate this. In reality a high proportion of mentally ill people get compulsory treatment via police powers to section.
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Like most if us on this blog, except Pat, We are PRIVATE citizens and therefore have the RIGHT TO PRIVACY about our health and other aspects of our lives unless We are brought into infamy or notoriety. Bill Mulvihill is a PRIVATE CIFUXEN. None of us has the right to speculate about his health, diagnose what we believe may be wrong and express a condescending, disingenuous concern after thrashing him on this blog. It is totally wrong to continue talking about Bill’s health. This ongoing commentary can only add to his pain.
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Bill has made himself a very public person – especially on this blog
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He has Pat. But… As you say you suspect he is mentally ill so may not be in the best frame of mind to do what’s best for him. You advised him against publishing his letters but still did and I just think sometimes if we’re telling someone they need help but they won’t seek it we have to do what’s right.
Honestly Pat, if you were at your lowest ebb you would be horrified when you got better to find a friend had plastered your problems over the internet because you were public about it when you were ill.
That’s not helping.
Come on, you wouldn’t take an alcoholic on a pub crawl, so why you’re feeling the need to join in Bill’s own self humiliation is beyond me.
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Bill publically and maliciously accused individuals of serious wrong doing here. They are very unlikely to get any financial recompense or apologies from a mentally unwell person with no fixed abode so they have had to put up with their reputations being trashed. He got precious or disappeared several times when he was challenged for facts. Please don’t pretend he didn’t relish inflicting cruelty on others.
He needs to connect homeless services immediately either Wicklow County Council or the Dublin authorities. I hope he ll do the sensible thing and get his life back. 🙏
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@6.32 pm
I think you are right. Bill did offend a lot of people who may be very distressed and worried about his threats and comments.
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6.32: How right you are. Bill delighted in making very serious allegations against many people in this blog. He used very threatening language. He didn’t listen to sound advice which some of us gave him. He was allowed to defame and slander many people. For quite some time I thought he manifested very clear symptoms of a very unwell man. What i find most worrying is that despite these concerns being expressed, Bill was given unquestioned access to exhibit some terrible human traits. There was a sensationalism about his utterances but God forbid that any of us should ever be subjected to the harsh, personalised invective he received. I hope Bill finds good, genuine friends who will truly care for his well being. Bill was pushed into this dreadfully dark place by so many of us on this blog. And I include myself because i commented nastily against him. This scenarion should never have happened nor should it ever occur again.
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Being ill does not excuse bad behaviour.
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@6:32 If 1989 is a reference to New House I was also there in that year. I was always wary of Bill. He was quite wrong to use the blog to calumniate named individuals, not only taking away the good name to which everyone is entitled, but also putting people at risk of losing their jobs. I don’t wish him harm and don’t want anybody to be homeless or in need and I hope he gets better.
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Who remembers the Dutch Catechism? The ultra-liberal Dutch Catholic Church is finished. Amsterdam is closing 99 churches, leaving only 28 open, in a diocese which extends far beyond the city limits. This is what happens with liberal churches. We will see similar closures in Ireland.
https://www.pillarcatholic.com/amsterdam-diocese-60-of-churches-need-to-close-in-five-years/
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Great news 👍
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I sincerely hope that Mulvhill gets all the help he needs whatever it may be. Getting help is the first step in recovery.
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WM has shown that he is a man who can apologise. Tom Deenihan needs to learn a thing or two about that.
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5:41, Priests rarely apologise, and bishops never apologise. To do so, for a bishop, would suggest wrongdoing and thus might leave him and his diocese open to legal peril. That is almost certainly the case with the continuous evils visited upon Dom Benedict by Tom Deenihan and his diocesan monastery, Silverstream Priory.
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He has to want it. 🙏
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“In our societies it even seems that homosexuality is fashionable and that mentality, in some way, also influences the life of the church. This is something I am concerned about…”
– Pope Francis, in a shocking, book-length interview “The Strength of a Vocation” (2018)
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He is right to be concerned. The Church, like Christ, is meant to be a sign of contradiction to the world, not of compromise with it.
If the Church and the world are at peace with each other, then the Church has become anti-Christ.
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There was a rebellion even in Heaven, so we shouldn’t be surprised, or worried, by the latest one in the Church.
Scripture is undeniably clear: homosexual acts, whatever the circumstances, are gravely immoral; they debar one from the Kingdom, from God himself, unless repented of.
These bishops will have to face the scrutiny of God when they die. They are faithless servants. Unfaithful to God in life, they cannot be so in death. They are damning their souls, and, by their rebellion, are inviting others to do likewise by making them feel comfortable with sin.
This is no laughing matter, no small beer: souls are at stake.
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They still haven’t realized nobody is listening because of the children raped by priests have they?
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And yet, you are listening to these bishops, because they seem prepared to tell you what you want to hear rather than what you need to know.
These men will become liked and popular among many; their names will be writ large. But not where it matters: in Heaven.
These men will bask in the spotlight of public approval, but only for a time. Then it will be time to face the consequences of their choices and their example.
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5:58 LOL I can assure you I’m listening to no member of the dangerous cult.
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Rancid biblical fundamentalism at 4:25. Mulvehill was sane enough to blast that ignorant hate speech a few days ago. Homophobia is the worst insanity because it is wilfully sustained.
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‘Fundamentalism’? ‘Hate speech’? ‘Homophobia’? ‘Worst insanity’? You seem almost hysterical.
Show at least some courage.
If you are having homosex, that’s one thing. But, if you are a Christian, then have the courage to admit, to yourself if no one else, that this kind of sex is unequivocally condemned in the Bible, especially in the New Testament. Because if you rationalise it morally, your chances of repentance are reduced.
God help you (any of you engaing in this sort of sex) if you die unrepentant.
Those faithless servants of God who are encouraging people to be morally comfortable with homosexual acts are imperilling souls. God will, in time, allow them to see these acts as he does, and to know the souls lost through infidelity to moral truth and to false doctrine. Their judgement, perfect and irrefutable self-knowledge, will be terrible. They will condemn themselves, as did Judas Iscariot, convinced that they are beyond God’s mercy.
They will condemn themselves.
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The reply this got is really hysterical.
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New PP Roscrea is happy to do same sex blessings in church..
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Thanks for alerting all blog readers to the new PP in Roscrea. Checked the website – is there a better provided for parish on the whole island? John Molloy is an extraordinarily pastoral priest, they’re lucky to have him. And the brilliant Tom Corbett in retirement….. and a newly ordained priest.
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I am being censored and until such time as I am allowed to tell the truth about what is really going on, I do not wish to answer any questions relating to the deviant Killaloe priest.
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Ironic your discussing him at any opportunity even on blogs not related , censored? , we all are, get over yourself …
You were asked a question, feel free to answer , if you don’t we will know why and I will explain to everyone why. You wouldn’t miss an opportunity to dob him in it …
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7.08 What blogs have I been discussing him on? You are setting yourself up for a defamation lawsuit.
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Question to Carroll aka Karen …
Did Fitzgerald ever discuss people’s confessions with you on a personal note ?
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Here we go again with the defamation solictor and guards shite and threats again …
I only asked a question lol
Your special ‘darling’
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You seem slightly obsessed with this. A good question though
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Very good question Todd.
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Been on this shit all day , much to my disliking. like many occasions in the past. Not obsessed . Just Finishing what I started 18 months ago. My feelings are nobodies responsibility.
Keep the faith buddy !
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Not answering any questions at this time about the deviant Killaloe priest. If you want to know the reason, you can ask the moderator of the blog.
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Because he didn’t divulge any personal confessions to you …
Regardless of whether your happy or not with the moderater, you wouldn’t miss an opportunity to dob Fitzgerald in it even before you sign off …pissed off having yet another tantrum…..
I asked that question for 2 reasons as I spent six months with him and had pillow talk …
The second reason is why Todd and the rest are glued to this question. I will elaborate.
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Good shut up about him so, sick of listening to the bullshit
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10.03 we all are, sometimes it’s necessary.
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I feel the rumbling of a schism erupting in the Roman Catholic church, it is so hypocritical, with so many active homosexuals in the Roman Catholic clergy, who are also active in Roman Catholic ministry. Who are they trying to fool?
SPAIN BELGIUM & GLOBAL
Spanish Roman Catholic bishop to Belgian Roman Catholic bishops: The Roman Catholic Church doesn’t have authority to bless gay unions
Catholic News Agency Staff By CNA Staff
September 23, 2022 Catholic News Agency The Dispatch 9Print
Denver Newsroom, Sep 23, 2022 / 14:00 pm (CNA).
The Roman Catholic bishop of Orihuela-Alicante in Spain, José Ignacio Munilla, reminded the Belgian Roman Catholic bishops that the blessing of gay unions goes against the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.
“It’s not that the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t love. It’s that she has no authority to do such a thing,” he cautioned.
The Roman Catholic prelate underscored in his Sixth Continent program on Radio Maria in Spain that the Belgian Roman Catholic bishops’ prayers for the blessing of gay unions are “clearly not compatible” with the declaration of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on this issue that was published March 15, 2021.
Munilla stressed that this incompatibility is manifest “no matter how much they’ve tried to force (the meaning of) words to the maximum,” calling the Belgian Roman Catholic bishops’ initiative a “moment for prayer.”
In this respect, the spokesman for the Belgian Roman Catholic Bishops’ Conference, Jesuit Father Tommy Scholtes, defended the blessing of same-sex couples since “it has nothing to do with marriage.”
In a statement to the Associated Press, Scholtes said that it’s “an opportunity for homosexual couples to pray together and for others to pray for them as well.”
Munilla noted that the Belgian Roman Catholic bishops’ blessing includes “expressions of commitment” between the homosexual persons who receive it and the commitment of ecclesial community to them.
“Let’s not play with words,” the Roman Catholic bishop reiterated, pointing out that “we must be sincere and transparent and say that it absolutely contradicts” what was affirmed by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
Munilla emphasized that what the Vatican dicastery has stated “is not that the Roman Catholic Church doesn’t love. It’s that she has no authority to do such a thing” as bless homosexual unions.
Blessings are sacramentals
The Roman Catholic Church has no such authority because a blessing is a sacramental.
According to the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, No. 1667, sacramentals “are sacred signs which bear a resemblance to the sacraments. They signify effects, particularly of a spiritual nature, which are obtained through the intercession of the Roman Catholic Church.”
The text continues: “By them, men are disposed to receive the chief effect of the sacraments, and various occasions in life are rendered holy.”
The Spanish Roman Catholic bishop explained that blessings, therefore, “must be objectively and positively ordered to the will of God” and that “the good will of those who receive them is not enough.”
There is no ‘unjust discrimination’
Thus, “it’s not lawful to impart a blessing on these relationships, even if they are stable, because they imply a sexual relationship outside of marriage,” the Roman Catholic bishop explained, in line with what was stated by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
For example, Munilla pointed out that the Roman Catholic Church cannot bless the union between a man and a woman living in adultery.
Thus, it’s not about “unjust discrimination” against people with homosexual inclinations, but about reclaiming “the truth of the liturgical act.”
“You can bless people with homosexual inclinations, but not a union that is not in accordance with the design of nature and God’s design,” the prelate stressed, because “it’s one thing to bless the sinner and another thing to bless the sin.”
Munilla said that, unlike the sacraments, sacramentals “can be received without being in the state of grace, but they call for conversion.”
This story was first published by ACI Prensa, CNA’s Spanish-language news partner. It has been translated and adapted by CNA.
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Yes. The division will be
1. Those who want to be honest about sex and live according to Christian values and a modern understanding of sexuality.
2. Those who will say they want Catholic tradition but really want to be dishonest about sexuality and get away with what they can or live a shady/compulsive sex life.
The second group will be the larger, of course.
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Spanish bishops treating fishy CDF utterances as divine are making a mockery of their religion just as their predecessors in the Inquisition did.
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No problems giving three pages of shite ,after declaring you were not answering or commenting due to the moderater. yet 10 mins later, you post this and can’t answer a simple question under a tactical name from a subject that Fitzgerald holds close to he’s heart lol 😂
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Are you suggesting that I am Queenievenus Pluto? I think he/she can tell you that I am most definitely not.
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I asked a question and made a statement to Queenie, not sure why your replying unless your Queenie. I asked one simple question she refuses to answer and I asked second question the moderater won’t post … If he has nothing to hide he would post it confidently.
The previous one may be a shit but he didn’t violate on that regard. That’s my point !!!
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Will you ever form your own opinion and stop using Google for everything.
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Reply to; Anonymoussays:
Sep 26, 2022 at 9:01 pm
I am highly opinionated, sometimes right and, sometime wrong. I use material relevant to the topic in question on the day, that’s even though, it is not directly from me, but may be of interest to others, which is more than can be said from some other contributor, who go off topic at a tangent to suit their agenda.
I have noticed some smart a–e correcting other’s grammar, as I am not too clever, I find this very impolite habit both aggravating and very offensive, and a bullying strategy, which must be inhibiting to some, which of course is, what it’s meant to do, all bullies want to exert power over other, making other feel less, by correcting spelling is a prime example, For God’s sake we are not at primary school.
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@12:45 quite correct Queenie, the person correcting people’s grammar spelled grammar incorrectly. So continue to do your thing and don’t take offense to being corrected by inferior empty souls. There are no Mensa candidates on this blog and that it one thing for sure!
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Pat takes some amount of abuse though 🤣 lord knows I give it to him. everyone is always annoyed with him for some reason or another lol …
I do like the way you threaten and refrain from contributing to the blog as if people would be devastated by your absence and that your opinion anomously’ is sorely respected. You won’t be missed lovey. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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I would bless any homosexual couple, provided they made a sincere and strong commitment to sexual continence: that their union would never be sexually expressed.
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I can’t imagine a couple fighting to be married from the church that are not dedicated.
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Just like all the hetties take 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
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If he has nothing to hide , shouldn’t be an issue . Wasn’t with GF.
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Sirwcoat you didn’t post first half of the comment, how will they understand this …have you something to hide, honest question , simple one too !
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I asked a simple question if Ger ignorantly spoke of he’s confessions secrets and if pat violated others in the same regard?
What’s complicated about it ….
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Reply to 9.40says:
Sep 26, 2022 at 10:21 pm
I can’t keep up with this blog. What was your question that you say I did I not answer, Fire away, I will try to satisfy you, or has your interest waned now, we are onto another day?
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