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POPE THROWS CARDINAL ZEN TO THE CHINESE WOLVES.

CARDINAL ZEN

The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/26/hong-kongs-cardinal-zen-goes-on-trial-over-fund-defending-arrested-protesters

A 90-year-old Catholic cardinal and five prominent pro-democracy campaigners have pleaded not guilty in court in Hong Kong for failing to properly register a humanitarian fund they set up to help people arrested in anti-government protests in 2019.

Cardinal Joseph Zen, one of Asia’s highest-ranking Catholic clerics, and his fellow campaigners were arrested in May for “colluding with foreign forces” under a national security law that Beijing imposed on Hong Kong to crack down on dissent. All were trustees of the 612 Humanitarian Relief Fund, which provided legal and financial assistance to more than 2,000 people prosecuted for their part in the 2019 pro-democracy protests. The fund is charged with not properly registering under the societies ordinance, a colonial-era law from 1911.

The fund disbanded in 2021 after police ordered it to hand over information on its donors and beneficiaries.

Prosecutors on Monday told West Kowloon court that the fund, which drew about 270m Hong Kong dollars (£32m) in donations between June 2019 and October 2021, had “political motivation” and supported anti-government groups and activists, local news portal 01 and public broadcaster RTHK reported.

PAT SAYS

Pope Francis and the Vatican have turned their back on poor Cardinal Zen (90) in order not to annoy the Chinese Communist government.

Cardinal Zen went on trial on Monday for his role in helping those opposed to the behaviour of the Chinese government in Hong Kong.

Its another example of how the RCC intervenes in politics – and always on the side of powerful and corrupt.

China has given the Vatican a lot of money after doing a deal with them a few years ago.

And, in spite of this deal the Chinese continue to imprison and persecute many Catholic bishops, priests and laity loyal to Rome.

The RCC played a negative role in Irish politics for many decades.

Francis himself stands accused of working with the Junta in Argentina.

They did deals with Mussilini, Franco and Hitler.

The abandonment of Cardinal Zen is a disgrace.

120 replies on “POPE THROWS CARDINAL ZEN TO THE CHINESE WOLVES.”

You do know Pat that BM sent a really nasty email about you to +Eamon. It listed info including your associates, Rory included and others. Careless talk and all that.

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I know. Ive seen it. As Judge Judy says; “No good deed goes unpunished” 😞
I trusted Bill. I’ll not make that mistake again.

Again, Judge Judy: “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”.

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Pat, as my Mother would say, that’s the thanks you get………..
“Harden not your heart, as in the provocation”.
It is very hurtful when you have done your best to help your friend in his hour of need, and all you get is a slap in the face, don’t fall into the trap of calling him names, or anything else in return, one of the hardest thing to do is keep his countenance through the ordeal.

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According to Dr Barbara Lowe, ‘do everything with a good heart and expect nothing in return, and you will never be disappointed.’
Yes, with a good heart, but expect nothing in return? And you will never be disappointed?
Even Jesus expects a return. Witness the healed ten lepers and the fact that only one returned to thank him. Jesus wasn’t happy about the other nine.
As for never being disappointed, I have been both disappointed and hurt by people to whom I did much good, over many years, only to have them turn on me.
That quotation from Lowe is the kind of unthinking, Pollyannaish poster I’d expect to find on the bedroom wall of an equally unthinking, naive, Pollyannaish first-year university student.

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It is absolutely disgraceful that Bill breached your confidence Pat. I Hope you never went to Confession to him?

It is very low to breach a confidence in a dispute.

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No, I never confessed to him 😀

And his mental health is no excuse for breach of confidence.

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@10.33 am

Let him go Pat, it’s really all for the best. Some people like Bill have to really hit rock bottom and lose all their friends before they decide to help themselves and get back on their feet again. Just be glad you didn’t give him 16,000 euros and £1,500 to squander. At least you know not to pay out for him to stay in a hotel again. Cut loose Pat.

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@10:32 * I do no think any of those words or descriptions of people are anything new to this blog that I follow over the years. Both sides.

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3.44: Pat, the outcome of your liaison with Bill was precisely as I predicted three weeks ago. You kept him on board for too long. You ought to have prevented his presence on this blog. I got caught once in a similar situation with someone who fell on hard times. His ability to manipulate my emotions was masterful. I gave much financial support, material goods and accomodation to him when things were rough. I gradually saw the pattern, like Bills, but continued to help him. After more than a year I was emotionally and mentally exhausted. It was difficult to let go of his presence. I got therapy for him..Gave money to him frequently….I went on a retreat for a few days and kept my distance for the 5 days….I prayed for him during those days. On return from retreat I received a call to inform me of a most distressing outcome. To this day my mind disturbs me that I ever was entangled in his life. I carried huge guilt. I had to seek counselling. I have learned much through this sad experience. Sometimes we have to be ruthless with manipulative people because they play games and can end up bringing us down!! Pat, be wise. Be careful.

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Pat, Bill told me you were very good to him. He told me that he was standing in Greystones one day and couldn’t afford a cup of coffee or a hair cut and you instantly sent him 300 via Western Union. Is this true.

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But you deserve gratitude, Pat. Jesus expected gratitude from the ten lepers he had healed.

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@ 10:52am

That’s right we should be talking about Cardinal Zen. We also shouldn’t be surprised that oul Fanny has stabbed him in the back, that’s typical of that oul poly woke melt.🙄

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Sometimes I compare prices online in the UK with ROI.
Currently in Tesco a 70cl bottle of Grants Scotch Whisky costs €28.00 (£25.14) in ROI compared to £14.00 in the UK.
Even with minimum unit price (MUP) on alcohol in Scotland you can still buy it for £14.00.
£11.14 is a sizeable difference. No wonder people from the south shop in the north.

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Maybe people should simply leave off the sauce? I can think of few bigger wastes of time and money than tipping away on booze at home.

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I’m sorry to tell you, every single piece of junk has a part made in China! Including phones, computers, household crap, the fact you are even on this. It is China! I used to buy stuff in a store that was traced 100% to its origin. A plain white t-shirt cost $95 in the same store. Get over it. China is overdeveloped, overpopulated, underpaid with atrocities included. We in the west use it to out own benefit.

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HOW MUCH?
I live in England and as it is I’m on the cheap beer from Tesco.
How is it even possible for the difference to be that big!

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The trend of kowtowing to the Chinese – no recent thing either – is out of control and will have serious ramifications for the whole planet. That the RCC are at it is no surprise, happening since day 1 with dictatorships of all stripes including Italian Facism, Nazi Germany and Franco’s Spain. That said the ROC is just as bad endorsing both Chechen and Ukrainian invasions.

China is not a rogue state, it’s a rogue continent with degrees of freedom not much better than North Korea. The entire population are brainwashed and think everywhere from Taiwan to Chinatown in Craggy Island belongs to the PRC, regardless of what the locals think. The minute everyone goes out of their way to buy Chinese junk then the country is finished. Wont happen though.

As for Francis there is every chance not only was he active Junta but possibly CIA as well.

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Pat when did BM send that email? Was it recently? What a shocking turn of events and to think you not only housed him but gave him money. Its atrocious.

BM has had some private interaction with a certain commenter of late -I wonder has that caused any issues?

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Don’t knock goodness shown to those who go on to betray you. Jesus was good to all.

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Pat, I resent the innuendo courtesy of Canon Todd. You know my well enough by now. I would like to come up North to see you. Let me know when it suits.

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I didn’t know CT was referring to you. I thought he was referring to Bill’s visits to Ennis

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12.46 what on Earth was mad Bill doing down the bogs in Ennis, I thought he was addicted to Greystones?!

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11.42 you were having tantrums last night falling out with pat, today you want to see him. Trying to buddy up to him to manipulate and coherse him , your to easy !🙂

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@11.26 am. I agree Todd it is indeed a shocking turn of events. Sending that email is disgraceful. To whom he sent it a word of warning – Be very careful in trusting Bill, it could well be your turn next with a click of the fingers.

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Clergy pilferinghttps://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/priest-investigation-stealing-relic-senglea-church.983549

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Reply to;Light fingered priestssays:
Sep 28, 2022 at 1:02 pm
I know I shouldn’t laugh, maybe if the Roman Catholic church paid their clergy a proper salary, there would be less thieving.
Have you read of the partners in crime, Father Murphy from Wexford in a parish in Florida, both Murphy and his female assistant Deborah True between them stole 1.5 million dollars from Roman Catholic Parishioner’s contributions. Murphy is dead and, True is facing the music on her own, she is charged with embezzlement, at least she won’t have any debts to worry about when she languishes in prison, whilst Murphy is wafting away, In heaven of course! (after all he did receive the last rites.) singing,
I Did It My Way.

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Interesting post from “Mary” on your last blog about Phonsie and the Holy Family Mission in Glencomeragh. Some disturbing allegations . I live quite near there and have never heard anything like that about it. But may be worth looking into

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How do you know this?
If he is staying in these apartments, I wonder who’s footing the bill and who stumped up the hefty deposit these things usually require.
Or perhaps you are just stirring the proverbial 💩

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No. It is certain that he is staying there. Its temporary. No deposit.

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Pat, do you know this for a fact or has Bill been telling you that?

And at €220 euro a night he can’t be paying that. It doesn’t make sense to be living in a tent one minute moving into €220 a night apartments the next.

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@4.21 pm – Cyberpunk

Probably because recently it appears a friend gave Bill 16,000 euros and another gave him £1,500. Instead of using the money for a deposit on a flat with some rent up front and sorting himself out he is squandering it. He is probably off with his ideas of grandiose again and telling the staff he is a business man on his way to wait for it – France then on to Germany then a flight to OZ and you know what, the staff will probably believe him.

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@1.31 pm. £400 is bad enough but what about the person who gave Bill 16,000 euros and another gave him £1,500. For Lord sake don’t anyone else give him money, you might as well drop the money down a drain.

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Bill Mulvihill doesn’t deserve the attention he’s receiving. He was offered help and support by Pat and given good advice by commenters. Bill is presently incapable of expressing gratitude for care given to him. He requires professional therapy. For as long as he’s on this blog, he’ll play mental and emotiinal games with everyone. I suggest for now that he be left to his own decisions. There are more deserving people in our community.

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@1.39 pm. Aye we’ve all heard enough of his grandiose, all that globetrotting nonsense. Note Bill didn’t say anything like that on the blog yesterday.

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We can only hope that the deafening silence from Francis, is in fact a ploy to not aggravate the situation, therby making life more difficult for the old man Cardinal Zen, the trial is for political misdemeanour, tied up with the humanitarian fund which was not registered, during the antigovernment protests in 2019-20, enough said! It is not based on religion, although life for Roman Catholic clergy is very regimented, even the Chinese government elect the Catholic Bishops, there are around 12 million Catholics in China a very small % of the population.

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Reply to;Anonymoussays:
Sep 28, 2022 at 3:43 pm
I know a lot about a little, and, a little about a lot, forever learning.

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I’m shocked Pope Francis behaving in a Machiavellian and Peronist manner completely at odds with a humanitarian let alone Christian ethic – I’m truly shocked!!

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@ 2:12pm

Don’t know Why you’re shocked, have you never read Dictator Pope by Marcantonio Colonna that will shock you. Ehy do you think he’s never
went back to The Argentine they remember only too well what he was. Ask the Mothers of the Disappeared, that will truly shock you.

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Pat I have been in rehab the last month for drug addiction, I am only out and catching up on the blog for the past month. I am truly horrified at the events that have unfolded with Bill and you. I am so sorry this has happened to you – Bill will not shame you twice.

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China pay Rome a wedge every year as long as they keep stum on human rights – a win win I’d say – a lose lose for anybody whose got a conscience.

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I will ask the question again. Has Bill declared the €17,600 gift to the tax and social welfare office? If not, he has committed two crimes and we are morally and legally required to inform the relevant authorities.

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3:38. Looks as if the €17K hush money is doing the rounds in Killaloe! Fr Fitzgerald had it, then another ex priest Mulvihill travels to Ennis & now he has c.€17K!! Truth is stranger than fiction!

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Carroll , I got the number for Larry via pat and I also contacted him with zero response, after paying two hundred euro in May for a painting I never received nor did he make any conscious effort to contact me , does someone want to explain to me what is going on. From where I’m standing it doesn’t look good.

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William Mulvihill snapped at my granny the other week in Asda and I knew then he was on the verge of a breakdown.

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5:09 whatever about Fraudulent Frankie being a wing nut, Billy Boy Mulvihill has treated his wingman Bishop Pat very badly.

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Pat, I’m not in a position to give you much, but I’ll post you a small cheque to Larne (only £50 sadly) as a little bit of payback for the money Bill took from you.

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I’m sure I’m not the only individual who’s still curious about Bill’s information concerning our friend the incumbent of Meath.

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6.19: By now we know for certain that Bill M cannot be trusted. He has proved himself very untrue and delusional but dangerous. He made hyperventilated accusations about many individuals on this blog recently. When challenged to corroborate he ran to the hills. He cannot be trusted. Ever. He plays loose with truth. Ditch him.

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6:19, true. Tom “Thundering Disgrace” Deenihan must be smoked out of his Episcopal office. His facilitation of the Silverstream charade has gone on for long enough. His banishing of Dom Benedict Andersen, the true Prior of Silverstream, to the wilderness is absolutely despicable.

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8:11 how on earth is Bishop Deenihan allowed to get away with this! Who is his boss?

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7:50, his boss is the Pope of Rome, and the Pope of Rome has a very poor record on responding properly to abuse accusations … although he also hates traddies, so you would think that he would want to make sort of work of the nutballs at Silverstream Priory.

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9:31, watch therefore, for Tom knows neither the day nor the hour that checkmate is coming.
Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
Pax.

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8.11: Seamus: shut up…We know your narrative by now. It’s tiresome. Go and knock on Bishop Deenihan’s door and say to his face how you feel. BE VERY COURAGEOUS..Then come and tell us something useful….Otherwise, shut up.

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2.57pm
Here’s the thing about blogs – any sense of irony or humour or benefit of doubt quickly dissipates in the rush to correct or be didactic and even rude – I was attempting irony (albeit poorly) as my faux shock hinted – Bergoglio is a Peronist and Machiavellian ergo o would expect no less than siding with the the CCP to ensure the annual payment continues and isn’t troubled by a courageous Cardinal with conscience – and yes as a matter of fact I have read The Dictator Pope.

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7.52: Bill, grow up. Get necessary help. That compliment is a taunting of Pat who has been so good to you. Express your gratitude to Pat. Be a man.

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+Pat: That you continue to post Mulvihill’s comments reflects badly on your judgement. It’s been obvious for months he’s beyond “ordinary help.” Comparable to and as in paranoid schizophrenia, everything, including offers of help or appeal to reason, is seen, interpreted, and reacted to by him through the distorted lense of his warped understanding. Some may excuse his behaviour as illness. I prefer to consider it amoral.
To be blunt: ban his comments.

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9.29: My thoughts too. Bill knows how to turn a knife in your back with faux compliments..Hes a nasty man.

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10.09: Pat, you and Bill had/have nothing in common nor ever will. You’ve done your best for him. I think you should leave him off yoyr blog as he will just behave “as usual” – his words teasing and ridiculing all of us. It would seem Bill – sadly – wants to reach rock bottom fast. God heal him…

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It’s a very sordid business. Perhaps the Chicoms are paying a deal of money, as some suspect. Ironically the then Fr Zen introduced the New Order of Mass to mainland China in the early 80s using a Taiwanese printed Mass missal. Before that the Patriotic Catholic Association were using whatever liturgy was in place as of 1949. Now mostly the New Mass prevails, except where the Patriotic Catholic Assoc provide the traditional Mass for older folk. This trial will result in some fine, but a bit like Putin’s Russia, rather than use some dramatic sentence against a foe, they’re ground down by administrative means, this or that trial or question on small matters again and again. Now the sense of doing that isn’t even clear as the trial is notorious internationally. Taking control of the Underground Church is something the Chicoms haven’t done. Therefore if Francis wanted, he has plenty of leverage, but the Pope is choosing not to use it in pursuit of renewing a terrible deal.

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Its time for Shema….I shall remember ye who have heaped blessings on me today….as will the beautiful man beside me….

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10.07: Bill, it’s a pity you don’t catch a little self awareness in light of recent events. It will be impossible for you to find a suitable man as you will push everyone away once they see through you. It’s so sad that you continue to humiliate yourself so publicly. Just so sad.

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Cardinal Zen barely received a look in edgeways today, poor man has has his eye well and truly wiped by William Mulvihill.

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The Vatican official most at the centre of all these dealings / negotiations with China and the selling out of people like Zen is, of course, Paul Gallagher, a Liverpool priest, and Archbishop in the Vatican Secretariate of State and responsible for relations with other states. He’s the man who does all the negotiating. He’s also the man who will probably replace + Elsie in Westminster. Clever, bright, able, cunning, manipulative. Oh, and a Liverpudlian. And you know what they are like – wingeing, victimhood types. We will have to listen to that L’pool moderated accent again, after having had to endure it for so long with Elsie. Spare us, please !!

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