English priest writes:
I was astonished to read this morning on your Blog the level of salaries enjoyed by priests and bishops in Ireland.
I live in Xxxxxxxxxxx diocese, over here in England, and priests serving in parishes receive allowances as follows:
Personal Allowance – £4,404 p.a. (£367 p/m) (approx. £84.69 p/week)
Food Allowance – £3,900 p.a. (£325 p/m) (approx. £75.00 p/week)
Total – £8,304 p.a. (£692 p/m) (approx. £159.69 p/week)
With all presbytery bills paid.
Priests can purchase their cars through a car scheme.
Their other income must come from Mass offerings, stole fees, gifts and any private income. All income is taxable.
Priests in other active roles receive an appropriate allowance, dependent upon their duties.
Retired priests receive a tax-exempt discretionary allowance from a very old independent registered charity and a top-up from the diocese if their total annual income from all sources is less than approximately £15,800 per annum. Retired priests must otherwise pay their own bills and accommodation, including care fees, if necessary with government assistance and/or support from the diocese.
Hope this helps!
IN THE USA
These US figures are interesting given how close the US dollar and British pound have become.
A priest in the better parts of the US are on 71,700 per annum.
PAT SAYS
Priests in Ireland have always been better off than priests in the UK.
And another great asset Irish priests most often have is that they live alone and don’t have to live with other priests.
Shared presbyteries can be very unpleasant places to live.
If you are a curate to a bossy PP he can make your life very miserable.
If you have to share a house with a difficult colleague it can be very miserable too.
Of the seven parishes I worked in I had to share in six.
When I was coming to Lane I requested to live alone.
It was like getting out of Purgatory.
Priests in religious orders have to take vows of Poverty, Chastity and Obedience.
Secular priests – those who serve in dioceses and parishes – take no vow of poverty and therefore can own as much property and money as they like.
Jesus never said it was wrong to be rich.
But He did say it was wrong not to share your riches.
In fact, the better off you are, the more good you can do, if you wish.
Priests, like all, are entitled to a certain standard of living.
As priests, they are also called to be examples of love, generosity, giving etc.
BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY 
147 replies on “PRIEST’S SALARIES – IRELAND v ENGLAND”
Don’t feel too sorry for English priests. With mass stipends, stole-fees and Christmas and Easter offering, their disposal income would easily reach £12,000 a year, tax-free as below the personal threshold. Soaring living costs, up 11% year on year in June, led to a record 18% drop in average household disposable income of £175.80 a month, according to data from the Asda Income Tracker collated by the Centre for Business and Economic Research (Cber). A single guy with a disposable income of £1000 a month is doing well.
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In Killaloe diocese all the ‘boys’ Jerry Wanker Carey.. Ger bagachipz Fitz the two romeos in Roscrea on ‘leave’ .. still ‘ministering ‘ in the parish despite a year off on ‘career breaks’ to pray and reflect on their vocations… wonder why they didn’t leave their parish for their sabbaticals…? so that’s a big difference Ireland /GB.. in Ireland you can go MIA and live a life of reilly. Bet not one of the above padres will be up out of their beds to say mass this Sunday unlike you Bishop Pat. The only faithful one..
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11:54. Fr Jerry Wanker Carey & Fr Ger bagachipz Fitz, weak!! 🤣 Don’t forget spoilsports like Fr Bingohall Tom who cleared the homeless man from grounds of Ennis Cathedral and later had him arrested for name calling. Name calling of a rude & uncaring priest by a vulnerable homeless person being Such an extremely serious offence in a town where a young mother was callously battered to death in the street recently and where an old lady’s Last Will & Testament is disregarded and disrespected by none other than the manager of the Killaloe Property Trust, Bishop Fintan Monahan.
God help anyone vulnerable in Killaloe, they stand zero chance against those self centred types & their greedy networks 😒🙈☕️
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I know who Ger Fitzgerald had a gay sexual relationship with and it’s was many encounters
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Indeed. Killaloe seems to be a bit of poster boy for bad behaviour. Dont forget the coal deliveries to Coolreiry
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We know who it was. The man, who was very nice, has since died. Have you anything useful to add?
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10.09 those who stir the pot will lick the spoon
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These are the long term homeless that slip through the nets that won’t stop on the street , the other well known homeless man he pulled a knife on a priest …
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Fintan had allowed the church to pitch tents on their grounds and let them stay in the cathedral , the diocese also paid for one homeless man’s flights tickets to go home and see gsmily, they also let those same homeless work in the cathedral, given they are alcoholics one of them gained access to the wine room and went hspoy hour lol , people were walking into Sunday mass with empty bottles of vodka take away rubbish bags all over the grounds as they had no respect and pissing up against the cathedral walls. Became an unbearable site. They had to get barring orders, I help the homeless. So it was a tricky argument trying to defend them.
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Fintan was ultimately forced to make a tough decision in the end to which he’s to much of a pussey to complete , so fr Tom was the man for that job , they did help them , the lads weren’t getting better or helping themselves unfortunetly.
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11:54 they are both working in Roscrea parish, they won’t be allowed to take money from Diocese for doing nothing. There has to be a rehabilitation plan for our priests. Much good works remain for these two priests to do.
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What works are they doing? Are they doing official church stuff?
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Continue to doubt. I don’t make claims that I cannot back up.
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9:09 as you will have read on this blog and elsewhere, it’s the “unofficial” work that is most lucrative.
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11.54 Bagachipz Fitz’s 17+ grand has been reported to Revenue…if they want further evidence, I know where to find it. Duped but not a dope. Lies, greed, lasciviousness…Shameless in Killaloe.
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I highly doubt you do love
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@9.55 you spend a lot of time these days defending GF. Want to share any updates with us?
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Your saying that with months we are tired of your baloney move on sweetie
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9:55 No man or woman is an Island – one knows a man who can.
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2.32 Care to tell us anymore? You know a man who can what?
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11.54 the “year” has long expired by now surely? truth about those two known for a long time around town before shit hit the fan on both of them what must be over 2 years ago now. Covid started March 2020, wasn’t it all going on around then?
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Ha ha. Very true. Going on for years..this is killaloe diocese of course …
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12.02 true for you, Killaloe has featured in this blog for years now , did it all start when Fintan Monahan started his spiky crack shortly after his arrival. He annoyed their cozy set up & to be fair William Walsh was an aul dote & most personable.
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Didn’t Fr Bagachipz keep helping them on the sly even after he was ordered not too by Fintan ….
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How can a priest be on sabbatical for 10 years in California and still be listed as a priest in Ireland? Is he getting a salary from his parish in Ireland too? I asked the Bishop but he refuses to answer.
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11:55 that is Bishops way of telling you to mind your own business.
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Bishops way of hiding a priest.
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How can Liam Lawton be a full-time musician for decades but still be listed on the K&L website?
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Because he is a diocesan priest first and foremost.
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Fr Liam Lawton is an absolute gentleman, just like our Bishop Pat Buckley, his talent and his persona at his concerts brought a lot of joy to our elderly parents in their twilight years. Bless him.
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Very few poor priests in Ireland and indeed very few that share there mass of wealth with the less fortunate.
In many parishes throughout the country the dirty work is left to Religious communities and charities like SVDP, unfair in my thinking. Diocesan clergy feel it is the duties of others to look after the less well of or the marginalised in society.
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12.41 I agree, clergy and co very well looked after behind the scenes by their wealthy friends. That’s where their loyalties are.
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Yes sure Daisy Chain NI still meet at least once a month – the non penetrative group – safer
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9.48: I’m not sure if your cynicism is true…I’ve never been rewarded by “rich” parishioners and I’ve worked in many very well heeled and wealthy communities. It’s not my focus. Once (in the 80’s) a barrister gave me €2000 and I dispersed it to three charities and two families, believing that was his intention. I wrote to thank him and outlined where his donation was used. Shortly thereafter he called to my house with another €2000 to say the original was meant for myself only!! God works in strange ways!! There are genuinely kind people in our midst including many clerics.
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@9.04. No doubt the barrister that gave you €4,000 was doing those highly lucrative legal aid cases, Father!! 🤣
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Priests in religious orders may very well have to take their vows of POC, but have you seen the luxury cars and holidays they can afford?
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Timothy Bartlett drives a Maserati but his family are multi millionaires and own several business around Co Antrim.
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Pat I can’t tolerate the Pp I live with anymore. He is rude, arrogant, messy, and takes trips into town at unreasonable hours. What can I do?
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7:35. My Dad was a priest. Granny recalled that he left the house late at night but was back in the morning. At least I know now where I came from!
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Not many Pp have curates so it is not difficult to guess who this is!
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RIP Martina Shaff who perished in Donegal in the tragedy that unfolded yesterday. Forever young, never forgotten.
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RIP Shay Given also, will be sorely missed by all.
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10.01…. Shay the former Irish International?
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Bishop Alan McGuckian has really not handled the press well in this tragic event. He lacks PR skills or he is hiding from something.
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DONEGAL native Shay Given has offered his condolences after the tragic explosion at the petrol station in Creeslough. All v sad.
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V interesting from priest in England – I wonder how much more priests who have designated roles get paid extra – VG, DRE, DSC, Marriage Tribunal.
I’ve noticed too that clergy who are Trustees of a diocese seem to receive benefits in kind and are ‘taken care of.’
The question used to be How much does a Greek Urn?
Now it’s How much does a bishop or Cardinal earn?
Mass stipends are a disaster because older Catholics cannot but think they are paying for a sacrament- indeed sacraments cost money – marriage, funerals, Mass, if they could they’d charge to anoint the sick, hear confession but ordination – well that’s the only free one – go figure?
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Pat I am going to encourage my son to become a priest after your blog piece today. Thank you
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Tell him to get his ass waxed before he applies or he won’t be accepted.
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Not everyone likes a waxed ass. Three cheers for all the bears!!!!
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8:22 Moira, a recommended venue for relevant work experience would be The Boiler House priest sauna in Dublin. Your son can then work out “if he likes it” before he joins a seminary.
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Moira do not be so foolish with your sons future. Please do not bully him into making decisions about his future at a such a young age. My two sons became priests and now because of them I have no grandchildren.
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Bridget you are collateral damage for the greater good of the population
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Moirasays:
Oct 9, 2022 at 8:22 am
Moher of God!! Are you out of your mind woman?
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Sex and religion are the root cause of all evil
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Any man that chooses a celibate lifestyle should undergo a thorough mental health assessment with a trained professional.
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9:32 With reference to the subject of this blog I think it’s clear any man going into the priesthood isn’t choosing a celibate lifestyle but a pretending to be celibate lifestyle.
That would provide far more material for any professional.
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The money obsessed Irish Catholic Church is best avoided, staffed by insecure priests carefully negotiating their own survival. Bishops intruding in their personal finances to establish if Diocesan funds can be saved by making priests more self reliant in retirement. No wonder some clergy & their cohorts fill their days feathering their own nests in various ways.
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8.29: Seeing that you know abiut priests “feathering” their own nests, What’s your best suggestions, mr. clever clogs?
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10.11 Jump before you’re pushed.
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In your blog dated 4th April, 2020 you based on feedback from priests in the various Irish Diocese provided analysis on each of the Irish Bishops. Bishop Tom Deenihan was described as self centred, he clearly hasn’t repented and the abuse and defamation of Whistleblowers including Dom Benedict Andersen continues. Killaloe Bishop Fintan Monahan was described as a “repressed little twirp”. Do the priests that gave you that impression of Bishop Monahan remain in office or not? It would be interesting to read an up to date version of Rate your Bishop by region to draw comparisons and view improvement or otherwise.
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Bishop Noel Treanor protects and hides all the gay priests in D&C
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Joe McGuigan is not welcome back to Falls Road
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Bishop Pat thank you for your service to this blog and the greater good I don’t think you are told often enough. I would like to wish all the Thai families my prayers – those poor children and only one survivor.
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Beverley are you an ex nurse love? I think you may have looked after my daughter when she was in hospital.
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Salaries in Ireland for politicians, teachers etc have always been much higher than in England. The cost of living in Ireland has always been very expensive and there is no free NHS in the Irish Republic and private health insurance has always been both very restrictive and expensive. This will have been factored into Irish clerical salaries.
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I was a PP for many years, and I never went short. I had a comfortable life. The figures were very much as the priest from England at the top of today’s blog reports. What made the difference was the ‘grey economy’ that I was able to dip in to. The lines were so fuzzy that by and large most stuff could be put against the parish account in one way or other. Travel could be justified by going on courses, attending meetings etc. etc. Even foreign travel could be tied in to a meeting in Rome or whatever. I just needed to be creative. Which I was ! I don’t feel guilty about it. It was just the way of the time. Always has been.
As I get older, however, I recognise that things might get a bit tougher, and in particular the last phase of life when I might need support, care and help. None of which comes cheaply ! I have for over a decade now given up ministry and lived an independent life, in large part because of the trickle down of inherited wealth which enabled me to make that decision and to move on to a more independent and less controlled life, certainly financially. However, I recognise that many priests are not so lucky and so have to remain tied to the apron strings of the Church in order to ensure their financial viability both in ministry and when retired. But, it all comes with strings attached. I will survive, thanks to savings and family back up. Others will find it tough. Those who remain in ministry and attached to their dioceses and orders will be looked after in varying degrees. My sense is that the religious orders have got themselves in to a position as they decrease in size where they are able to sell properties that they no longer have need of and invest that money in to looking after their older members, which most of them are these days, and so live quite comfortably and properly in old age. Dioceses increasingly tend to throw their retired priests on to the social security system of the state, and try as much as possible to wash their hands of their priests who have given decades of service. I know of one diocese which has a deacon whose job it is to go around the retired priests making all sorts of applications for them for every possible state grant and aid available to them. Not that the priest becomes any more comfortable. Whatever is gained is deducted from what the diocese is already giving them ! I think some of it is dodgy, and one day the social security people will take a look and not be impressed. I definitely think it’s morally questionable for a diocese to attempt to minimise its responsibility to its priests and indicates the general contempt that most bishops have for their priests, many of whom they see as a problem, particularly the sick and retired.
So, the picture is varied, but I most certainly would not want to be a priest in a diocese who has given decades of service who is seen as a burden by the diocesan bean counters and is shifted as a responsibility to the state. Religious generally are well looked after. Those of us who have some independent means can look after ourselves quite well. I wonder what the arrangements are with bishops, or with the episcopal mates in a diocese ? I doubt if they will have to struggle !
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In Detroit in 2000 my PP had a seemingly very modest stipend of $22,000 a year. But he also had a free house, car expenses, pension contributions, etc. So he readily admitted that his effective income was around $70,000 a year. No wonder that he could vacation in Europe every year and run a huge car. Hey, we’re in Motown, back local jobs!
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Well said @ 9:15am. One northern diocese has a man who’s putting old priests in nursing homes!
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1:41 heard he keeps their pension claim card along with a copy of their Will in his office.
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He has no right to see the priests will or keep a copy.
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Priests deserve way more than they get. It’s a very demanding job running a parish. Never knowing what’s around the corner an practically on call everyday of the week. Of course they are provided with free accommodation but they dont own it. I’d imagine a similar job in public sector would be pitched at €80k a year .
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9:17 don’t be ridiculous with your “priest doesn’t know what’s around the corner from one day to the next” nonsense. Next thing priests will be claiming “danger money” when proven allegations are filed. Check your privilege.
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Priesthood is a vocation and therefore priests should be paid the standard minimum per hour like an average citizen.
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I agree, I don’t think they should get paid at all – they should lead basic lives like the redemptorists
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9:04am lol
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So the church can co-ordinate a uniform international policy of covering up and abetting child rape but has wildly different clergy salaries.
Priorities, anyone?
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Our presbytery house sits vacant while there are endless homeless around the country and piles of Romanians living in over populated social housing.
Our priest? The gossip monger lives up the street in his boyfriends house, sorry I mean ‘nephew’!
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Maria B, have you any spare rooms going in your house? You could take in one of the unfortunates you mention.
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11:21 the likes of Maria B have nothing better to be doing than sneakily monitoring the priest. All her houses are full. Full of what you may well ask…… not the Romanians she’s doing her fake bleating about…… that’s for sure….
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Romanians choose to over crowd houses because it’s cheaper for them and they become rich together. They are very much like a communist community – the one that washes my car is a great wee lad and they are very welcome here.
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Good morning our Pat. Apologies I have not been on the blog in a few days. Hope you are having a lovely weekend, I was discharged this morning from the RVH after having to have my stomach pumped after a huge binge on the wine, have seen the error of my ways and will be on the water and coffee moving forward. Keep me in your prayers please while I try and wean myself off the wine.
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Good luck Eamon I will keep you in my prayers
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I hope you do well Eamon, your contribution would be missed on the blog by all of you died waiting on your new liver.
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11:59 surely there is some mistake, wasn’t it a new kidney from Turkey that he was waiting on?
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Mark Viduka is not happy as a lay man featuring on your blog the last few days and I’m sure he and Fr Harry Kewell will be having crunch talks
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Eugene O’Neill was in St Brigids presbytery again at lunch time with Fr O’Donnell who has not been well the last few weeks.
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Hello everyone. I’m a new reader to the blog and am finding it fascinating
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It’s a fascinating blog, I often refer my students to it as part of their Religion coursework.
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What is your surname Cathal because I will not be sending any of my children to your school.
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Good to see you Harold. Welcome to the club!
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Always good to have someone new im the house!
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You’ve got a really unfortunate surname pal. Very like the serial killer lol
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Pat what Is happening on the blog today have you lost control?
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The blog has been out of control since it’s very first post. Pat you should really have a talk show on the BBC.
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Gone are the days when you could call to the presbytery and buy knock off cigarettes from the priest
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What has the world come to? It’s awful the atrocities that are happening in front of our eyes. Mary pray for us.
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Remarkable coincidence. I had a good friend called Peter Tobin and he actually died yesterday. RIP pal
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I do not watch the news anymore as it is all sad and negative and scares me.
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I heard that some clergy get two pensions if they serve in both northern Ireland and the Republic. The have 2 pps numbers. Priests and so called bishops are clever at the sums. Sign me up please..
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I know where the bodies are buried!
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They are influencing the law
Let’s stop pretending there is any kind of separation here
Church is influencing law
So, they can pay taxes
Charity Regulator, my arse.
Maybe Charity Regulator arse poking out of curtain in priest sauna too?
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Priests should be paid equally across Britain, it’s a wonder they are all paid differently in this day in age.
Modern technology and the super rise in apps is leading to the downfall of face to face interactions.
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Thinking of Bill these times and hoping he is ok. Have u any news of him Pat? I think in time he will come to see how good you were to him and he will apologise- even though he doesn’t find it easy to apologise.
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My granny Maureen died last night, her last request was that we inform this blog. She said she loved it and occasionally would have commented. Thank you for keeping her company.
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12.13 Sorry for your loss. May Maureen rest in perfect peace.
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Vladimir Putin will help see the start of WW3 – I just hope somebody sensible assassinated him before he has the opportunity.
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Don’t fret: Putin will go the way of the last Tsar.
Nicholas dragged his country into a catastrophic war; Putin appears to be attempting the same. Like Nicholas, he will be overthrown, and murdered.
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You wouldn’t hurt a fly Tommy
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Where has dear deaf guy been? I miss his long reads.
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Is it not about time Roman Catholic priests, find part-time employment in the “real” world to supplement their “meagre” salaries? There is many a family where either one or the other in a partnership have more that one job, its about time that Roman Catholic priests got out and did the same. What do they do with their time all day?
People are not dying so frequently that they need the sacrament of the sick. (Many now have a priest based in hospital.)
They might and might not say Mass in the morning, Sunday excepted.
Visit the sick.
See to the and manage property the money (high priority.)
They surely must have some time when they are doing frig all, apart from wanking, get the buggers of their a—s into work outside the parochial house, into the community, they will earn some more , know how the rest of us struggle, maybe even do a bit of evangelising.
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I agree 100% with you.
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I am so poor and yet I work full time and have 4 kids and I’m by myself. I don’t know how I will make it through the winter months and yet I give £20 a week at mass for the priest to have 4 holidays a year.
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12.43: Roisin, you told this story before. Lies and damn lies. If you’re that stuck, don’t give €20…but i don’t believe you…try another story line!!
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My mother is dying in the RVH and a nurse told me that she will be going to a better place – how dare she say that. There is no place better to be than planet earth with your daughter and family, obviously she’s a religious nut.
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Is your nanny still alive, Sean?
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The nurse probably meant a place better than the state of suffering your mother is currently in.
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God bless this 92 year old woman. I sat next to her yesterday at the Padre Pio prayer meeting in Limerick. She led the rosary. No sign of Padre Pio’s apparition but one woman must have gotten a healing after she touched the relic because she was slain in the Spirit and ended up lying on the hard, cold floor for at least 5 minutes. Some people in queue were concerned because they thought she had fainted.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/92-year-old-woman-who-28183194.amp
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Yeah, when you pay for a fake miracle you have to get hysterical so the rubes have another show.
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Padre Pio appeared in this lady’s bannisters
https://mobile.twitter.com/rteliveline/status/1576926526939234304
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To the bloke on yesterday’s blog who thought the blast in Creeslough was started by a cigarette:
https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/gas-leak-in-apartments-in-creeslough-donegal-is-likely-to-have-caused-blast/429373415.html
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That’s a terrible tragic accident, my brother died in a explosion also
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Makes you very wary of all the mains gas installations companies like Phoenix have been careying out in Northern Ireland.
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Was it an engineering fault? That happened n the street from me when I lived in the free state.
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The reason for the leak isn’t yet known.
I would never have mains gas in my home. Might as well live with an ustable, unexploded bomb.
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What is Dick Purcell getting while he is ‘away’ from monastery life?
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This is where your contributions are going folks:https://theo.kuleuven.be/en/research/researchers/00150020
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Ryan is looking hot! Free education at the expense of the RCC 1- class
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Doing well out of sexual assault allegations. Well done Ryan
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Haha this is funny. Note how Ryan McAleer’s CV avoids all mention of ‘priesthood’.
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He used to be a priest. He’s gone now. Had to go on the run for a while but no coming back from that stuff 😬😬😬
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Yes he is officially gone.
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Got himself a soft landing there. Did virtually no time in a parish and then got the Church to pay for years of expensive postgrad study on his way out, to set him up for life, in a way not possible for a lay person. Priesthood is the best club in the world.
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He is still listed in the archdiocesan web site. Do not bank on it. What use are all these theological degrees in the real world?
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I thought ex priests decrees of dismissal from the clerical state prohibit them taking up teaching posts in catholic colleges?
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9:12pm – desk priests on the staff of seminaries and Catholic universities and colleges are retiring and being replaced by lay people, eg there has been a big turnover in Maynooth and in Limerick Eamonn Conway won’t be replaced by another priest.
Presumably that’s where Ryan sees his future being.
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Ryan McAleer should not be allowed to progress in his career and leave behind a web of sexual destruction in Dungannon.
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Ryan’s secretary of the KUL GAA club, lol.
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/inaugural-european-collegiate-games-a-big-hit/
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Yes a soft landing indeed. Anything to avoid criminal conviction.
Would you believe it Pat?!
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There are no statute of limitations in the UK. So one day…
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I love how Ryan McAleer uses a beard to hide his shame and arrogance.
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Not bad at all Ryan McAleer, for a man keen on sex in Drumanor Forest Park in Cookstown on a nightly basis.
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Ryan McAleer’s mugshot suggests his ears should be able to pick up RTE in Belgium anyway.
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Ryan McAleer’s definitey enjoying himself here :
https://scontent.fbhd1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278241179_2999190990346447_8888708775256399904_n.jpg?stp=cp0_dst-jpg_e15_fr_q65&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=0be424&_nc_ohc=sulI5aLnLNgAX9NaDBq&_nc_ht=scontent.fbhd1-2.fna&oh=00_AT9fgEWJRprt22tsbPOZ_4uo07BFK0DMSaFRduWfAr9mRg&oe=6348A62F
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Dear Pat,
I am a priest of Armagh . I will not be speaking on this matter again on blog. I think it important to state my opinion on this matter of Ryan McAleer. Grave concern about him exists. Resentment in clergy about the handling of the matter. General feeling he got away in the smoke. You will receive any further update anonymously by post.
We expect Archbishop to give him either:
a) teaching post at St Mary’s College on return
b) role as lay Diocesan Advisor on Education
Matter must be dealt with before this occurs.
+ God Bless you.
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Totally agree
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Pat from a pastoral perspective Ryan needs rehabilitation before disciplinary action. The truth is Emlyn McGinn got Ryan hooked on the lines of xxxx. Ryan can’t Handel going cold turkey .
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RTE Investigates returns to the story of Fr Niall Molloy on Tuesday 11th October @ 9:35pm with new evidence. Those following this crime dating back to 1985 will recall that his parish priest asked member of An Garda Siochana if it could be covered up to avoid public scrutiny on the church and family allegedly linked to murder took & sold Fr Molloys assets & kept funds without reference to his next of kin.
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