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FRANCIS NEEDS TO TOTALLY BAN THE LATIN MASS AND EXCOMMUNICATE ALL THOSE WHO “WEAPONISE” IT.

More and more I am coming to the conclusion that Latin Mass adherents are either mentally disturbed or highly aggressive people.

I am no longer a member of the RCC and have not been for 36 years.

So, I am not bound by any of its laws or regulations.

For me to claim to be a member, priest or bishop of the RCC would be hypocritical and a downright lie.

And, for anyone to claim to be a faithful Roman Catholic and at the same time to refuse to obey its norms and laws, especially in essential maters, is utter lies and hypocrisy.

The following should be automatically excommunicated by Francis:

– Those who insist on celebrating the Latin Mass after it has been banned.

– Those who publicly proclaim that Francis is not a valid pope.

– Those who publicly proclaim that Vatican II was not a valid council of the Church.

– Those who are illicitly ordained priests and deacons as well as bishops.

– Those who promote opposition to Francis, Vatican II and the vernacular Mass in public, in the media and on social media.

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Francis should also introduce automatic excommunication for anyone who abuses a child and anyone, including priests and bishops, who attempt to or actually cover up abuse.

The RCC consists nominally, 1.3 billion people.

They would not miss the Latin nuts, the abusers and the abuse cover uppers.

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150 replies on “FRANCIS NEEDS TO TOTALLY BAN THE LATIN MASS AND EXCOMMUNICATE ALL THOSE WHO “WEAPONISE” IT.”

Yup. They’re not Catholics. When you speak to Anglo-Papalists you realize the mindset is exactly the same as theirs.

Incidentally the Church of Satan is the only religion I know which has automatic excommunication for child abuse. And they pay their taxes. This is what good citizenship looks like.

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Pat, it’s relatively easy to get hits from several countries. Normal in terms of any type of online presence

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Pat would like to bring back the penal laws and the era of Mass rocks, with the likes of Ivereigh (Google him and Daily Mail) taking the place of the redcoats and priest hunters of old.

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4.02 how your ongoing persecution of the innocents & the whistleblowers going, Fr & Co?

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When i view present day Mass liturgy, including Pat’s, I despair at the blandness of it. Unless you have decent, appropriate liturgical music, well prepared readers and prayers of the faithful, moments of silence and quiet and a meaningful homily, we’re doing a disservice to everyone. There was a sense of awe, wonder and beauty about TLM which weve lost in our ftenetic, mobile stuck habits..Some churches make huge efforts for Sunday Mass, Thank God but many just get it over quickly. I don’t approve of your categories of people who should be excommunicated: I’d list sexual abusers, abortionists and Satanists. They do more harm than TLM…Each church community has to provide the warmest of ambience and welcome to all along with uplifting music and reflective prayers and homily. Just contemplate the GIFT we are receiving: the EUCHARISTIC CHRIST.

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Rubbish. Mass before the council was more often than not a rushed disaster.
Some of us were there and can smell your bullshit.

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The Doctor O family processed, always 5mins before 11 am kick-off, so they’d be well seen, and woebetide anyone who might have dared occupy their customary prominent seats.
And Mrs G, always 4/5 seats back just behind where the kids went, as was her custom, cranning her neck to scrutinise all comers, even those coming in behind her: bellringer said at her funeral “Jaysus that’s the only time she didn’t get a good look around her.”
And as kick-off approached, the men out around the porch took off their caps, tossed their ciggies, and filed in to the back. Some of them sat on the balcony stairs, and reportedly played poker 🤔. A few had already been to O’s shop for the papers so if far enough back, could have a wee look at the latest NOTW revelations.
And while the old Canon Mc was still fit, he wandered up and down the aisle, biretta aloft, Lord of all he surveyed.
The regular reading of the “Jews list” (that’s what I thought it was!) was a highlight. Always started with the highest payer, it was a regular competition between hotel owner, Dr O, and other bastions of Catholic propriety!
Oh yes, Mass in the “old days” was certainly , ……good craic!
But when the cars replaced the bikes, people’s absences weren’t “remarked on” as they went to neighbouring “quicker” masses.
Or did they? Did mobility replaced conformity? Or did we just wise up?

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Some Irish priests rushed through Low Mass it in c. 20 mins, but the collapse afterwards, outside Ireland (where it was delayed for a few years) has been something else. And most priests made a decent effort. Catholicism is stone dead in the Low Countries (missals were once usually printed there and it was a place of so many vocations) and nearly so in Germany. It was already poor in parts of Spain which had been anti-clerical before the Caudillo came to power, but in so many places it has vanished, barring some old people, and local parades, which are more local events than anything. Now certain number slunk in from offertory to Communion, but now it’s a few stalwarts in so many places. Those who slunk in, don’t go. The poor and the workingmen loved the old Mass, and many came to the morning Low Masses before the factory bell sounded. As Card. Heenan predicted that vanished afterwards with the radical enforcement of SC. There has been a collapse in numbers of priests and people from a high in the early 60s, and a drop starting in 1965. Argue against reality, who cares? A new Pope will stop the nastiness towards the ‘Latin’ Mass, and their animus will die with them. Most people worldwide see the anti-TLM hate of a few in the Curia as insane given what faces the world.

@ballybobby should realise that although the reading of the contributions seems strange, it was an Irish thing and meant to encourage donations. My granny and her children (one of whom was my Dad) sat in the 2s or half Crown row. It was just a weird Irish custom.

OT, I wonder why Pope Francis cannot criticise KGB men Putin and Patriarch Kirill / agent Michailov over the brutal but now failed invasion. His naïve ecumenism was one of the things which made Putin think the West would pander and splinter. Maybe Putin has kompromat on Francis and friends….

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10.10am the good old days when the sheep were innocent & asked no questions apart from “how high” when Fr & Co said “Jump” or “How much” when he ordered “pay up”!

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It’s fascinating to observe how angry “dialogue and encounter” liberals get when someone voices an opinion they don’t like or challenges their narrative. “Dialogue and encounter” turns into “silence him and shut him down!”

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The TLM is approved by Benedict XVI and also by Francis. What’s this talk about excommunication?

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I agree, @5:34pm, and their usual response is abusive comments.
Though, in fairness, it has to be said that Pat is a liberal liberal, in that he allows a range of views, and will argue points, rather than just denouncing with brainless abuse.

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Pat you recently said on the blog you would allow a certain person to celebrate the Latin Mass in the Oratory. Which is to be? Are you all over the shop again?

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Constantly covering up, that’s about all they appear to do in Roman Catholic Church.

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Why ban it? Always wanted to learn it ,that, and Irish properly. Would love I know there is classes for Irish haven’t come across any Latin ,shame

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That’s a surprise when the Latin mass crowd keep on about how everyone wants it and it draws crowds by the coachload!

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12.41 From reading this blog & other sources, many Roman Catholic clerics & their members also want the rest of the world to forget about past, current and ongoing financial & sexual wrong doing & abuse. Like it or not your Catholics days of “doing what they want” are coming to an end thanks to the good work of persons of integrity such as Bishop Pat Buckley and other people & organisations worldwide tackling these issues in light of the refusal of The Vatican to do so.

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10am That’s right, it’s time to take the Killinaskully stance:
“We’ll be having none of that around here” &
“We are not in the habit of repeating ourselves”
BUT, keep ignoring us & we’ll keep harping on & on & on & on etc…….

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@ 12:41pm

Absolutely Seanie, and we do have it, despite the Poly’s trying to stop it. It wont work, even if we have to go back to the Mass Rock The Latin Mass will go on for ever.

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You might want to look at church attendance figures for the Methodist church in the UK, the fastest declining denomination. They are very low church, non liturgical, so it’s amazing that Vatican 2 has had the effect on them too.
Bit thick aren’t you.

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10:14am. That kinda makes the point. An unliturgical church, persuing itchy ear doctrine change will decline, whether it is Methodist or Catholic.

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Howling at these answers (not responses) to my comment.
One doesn’t have an answer and the other hasn’t understood my comment.
The moral: to claim Vatican 2 is the problem and/or support the old mass you have to be unable to understand history, sociology, statistics, psychology or a complex sentence with subordinate clauses.
… and thick. 🤣

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Tom Deenihan, protector of Mark Kirby, is the greatest episcopal friend of the Traditional Latin Mass in Ireland today.

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4.21 Bishop Tom Deenihan is no better & no worse than the rest of the cover up merchants on the RC scene in Ireland. “It’ll do for my day” is their overall approach & they clearly despise any hint of constructive criticism or appeals for justice on church related abuse & wrong doing.

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3:50, I’m sure that’s true, but I am not sure many Irish bishops would be as brazenly persecuting a victim whistleblower as Tom has been for, what, 2 years now?

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4.21
It’s doubtful Tom’s Latin is robust. Leaving Maynooth without a degree is nothing to be ashamed of.

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Absolutely the only reason that I attend a “Latin Mass” (sic – you mean the Extraordinary Form) on a Sunday is because I’m autistic, and I can’t cope with a mainstream parish Sunday Mass. The “sign of peace” makes me feel physically sick, and the cacophony can have me literally running out of the church. The Extraordinary Form devotees don’t tolerate the usual noise at the start of a parish Mass, with the congregation catching up on the gossip, the alpha females shouting across to each other to demonstrate their importance and the badly trained and inadequate choir doing a last-minute practice. The straw that broke the camel’s back was when I visited Worth Abbey in England on a Sunday, and this woman actually chased after me and said: “Don’t you want to be welcomed?” COW! If I can’t go to an Extraordinary Form Mass or find a straightforward no-music-no-burble Mass on (e.g.) a cathedral, on a Sunday, I will hear Mass online. BTW, the Extraordinary Form devotees are much less tolerant of the racism and xenophobia that infests Catholic worship in England.

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‘the alpha females’
You might or might not be autistic but that ain’t the real reason. 🤣
The word you’re looking for is ‘incel’.

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Unless you are a gerontophile you wouldn’t be looking for a partner at a Catholic parish nowadays.

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Where I live, the clergy who spend their time flouncing around doing Latin Mass stuff are just playing at dressing up and acting games. The vast majority of them wouldn’t have GCSE Latin between them, and just parrot the words. As for the congregation, well it’s mildly entertaining and diverting to watch the oddities that attend. It’s all play acting nonsense.

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They’d have to sell tickets for that crowdpleaser. The Wounded Healer could preside in choro.

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The traddies hark on about how the Traditional Mass is thriving. This is absolute nonsense. The Latin Mass Society events are not well attended. The annual requiem for LMS deceased barely fills half the cathedral at Westminster. The SSPX movement has around 1000 adherents across Great Britain- the size of a large Diocesan parish. The SSPX chapels at Brighton, Portsmouth and Oxford recently closed.
The congregations are generally filled with repressed gay men (some married!) and young straight couples who spurn out children ‘like rabbits’ (quote: Pope Francis).
The coffee mornings are filled wiith venom toward the post conciliar Church. These rebellious youth (weren’t we all at one time?) are adept at posting articles and photos of roman chasubles on social media.

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They’ll hate these facts.
I agree their argument for the popularity is a complete lie. I live in a large city in the UK where there is one old rite mass and numerous other parishes which exceed their attendance every Sunday.

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The Novus Ordo Missae attendees are in the same age bracket as Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi. Ten more years and it’s all over. They didn’t pass on the faith, their children are lapsed, their grandchildren aren’t baptised, and the Novus Ordo Missae fails to attract newcomers.

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Jenny,
If Paul Denny, Gerard Byrne, Liam O’Connor or Ross Campbell are anything to go by then they’re not repressed. Pat ought to investigate the history of the O’Connor crowd, transgenders, gays and that’s only the brother and the cousins, now there is more there, dig ,Pat, dig.

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I pray Bishop Pat is still doing us the favour of keeping an eye on what’s going on here – even in spite of earlier revelations, the permutations of the daisy chain(s) are going on as if nothing has thwarted them – they’re in the heart of the national shrine and the national life of the church here 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Please help us Bishop Pat – we need your skill to expose so much hypocrisy still in this small but massively corrupt local church ….

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Absolute rubbish Pat, clericalism at its worst. I doubt if God cares what way he is worshipped. In my opinion the old ways are best, I love the Latin mass and have no respect for the post VAT II happy clappy shite but I don’t go around saying that people who worship the Lord in that manner should be excommunicated.

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It always amuses me the Latin Mass Lot talking about the authenticity of the Tridentine Rite when the original Mass was in Aramaic and part of a Jewish ritual, Passover.

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Yes, 10:34, me too. I lost it but I used to have an old holy picture purporting to depict mass in the catacombs, complete with fiddle back vestments, lace cottas on the servers and old ladies in mantillas.
This is the level of historical accuracy they work with.

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If you think God doesn’t care two shakes what way people ‘worship’ (hate that word, makes God seem a narcissist) him, then why u so upset with the New Rite? And why call it ‘shite’? That’s disrespectful. And if people are genuine in that form of worship, you’re calling it by that vulgar word must be offensive not just to those people, but to God himself.
It’s clear you don’t give a fig for God. You just care about a glorified liturgical ritual. It has become an idol for you.
I love catching you lot out and calling yiz out. It’s better than an orgasm. (Alright, almost.)

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If people want to pray, let them pray. Be it as Gaeilge or in Latin, oder auf Deutsch or any other language.
Tom Deenihan needs a road to Damascus moment. His continued persecution of Dom Benedict Andersen is scandalous. Very unChristian of Tom. How in God’s name can he claim to be a Vicar of Christ?
Pax.

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Riveting….NOT ! Old Fart. And he’s supposed to reinvigorate the church in East Anglia ! The man has learned that self-important way of speaking that so many RC clergy in E&W adopt. Do tell me what possible relevance this man has to my and to many other lives ? All he’s going to be doing is holding the fort and living in his own clerical fantasy land. His most pressing concern during the week is going to be which bottle of Claret or Rioja from his cellar is he going to have with his Sunday lunch. And he’s the best they have to offer ?!

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Mmmmm ? And whose paying for the Claret and Rioja and the living in fantasy land……?

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OMG Fr. Peter Littleton is gorgeous……..his church must be full each Sunday. Definitely a twink.

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Oh, come on ! He’d split with one pelvic thrust. Not sufficiently manly and robust. Like lots of the traddie types. Lots of affectation going on there too.

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Hello Archbishop Wilson @5:08. Glad to see you are keeping an eye on this blog and wstching out for your Fr Peter. Bless ! That’s nice, isn’t it ?

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Perhaps the ad hominem nature of Southwark Stalker’s comments are not justified, and just a tad cruel. However, if Peter Littleton is going to put himself out there on the internet / YouTube etc., it is only fair that people have a right to take a pop, or otherwise, at his style, his liturgical preferences, his overly orthodox and traditionalist interpretation of things, his teaching, his catechesis, his world view etc. He is going public with this stuff, and so he has to expect that he is putting himself up for view and for critique. That’s the way it is. Just saying that he is teaching what the Church teaches is not sufficient. He must expect exposure. As to his voice, his hair, his twinkishness, his whatever characteristics he displays, even his presumed gayness, well, people do need to be kind and charitable. As I am trying to be.

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Still no comment from Westminster and Birmingham / Nichols and Longley in response to the final IICSA report in which both these dioceses and bishops were severely criticised. At least the Anglican Church and Ampleforth have had the decency to note its publication, amongst others. Shocking that our church leaders seem to be hoping it will all go away quietly. Arrogant as well. They still seem to think that this was all a bit unfair to them and the RC Church. They still do not get it. Truly shocking.

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What? No Bella today? I’d have thought he’d be raising the roof at Pat’s suggestion.

Just think, Bella excommunicated. Bella as toast. 😏

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@9.17
No No Bella will be on soon no doubt and the line will be we should all return as the LMB are correct and everyone else is wrong.
Pat is on thin ice today upsetting his Bella.
The LMB think Cardinal Burke is the next Pope and somehow they are dreaming however the Holy Ghost has spoken to them.

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Bellarmine
@ 10:26am
Here I am just back from lunch after attending a wonderful Low Mass this morning and looking forward to High Mass tomorrow, all you poly’s can rabbit on all you like it will make no difference to. us. Patsy has some cheek talking about disobedience considering his past, being ‘consecrated’ by that nutter Michael Cox who then ‘ordained’ the nutter Sinead O’Connor.
She then threatened to bash him, and converted to Islam! That’s the people who should be dealt with by those Satanists who now inhabit that den of iniquity the Vatican. But no they prefer their own kind like ‘cardinal’ Cocopalmerio, Burrill,and Martin truly birds of a feather stick together.
As far as the Dictator that oul melt Fanny, send him back to The Argentine on a one way ticket there are a lot of people who would love to welcome him back. Strange he’s been all over the world but never returned to his homeland, funny that don’t you think? I’ll be surprised if dear Patsy prints
this.😉

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@10:26am
Surprise! Surprise! you know who oul Nettie has dragged herself away from her net curtains and her usual hobby of contacting Papal Nuncios to make her usual banal remarks. Quite strange that shes always rubbishing poor Patsy and only last week said she would never be on this blog again and I wont say what she said about dear Patsy, strange bedfellows indeed. 😏

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9.17
You’re losing your touch. He has already commented twice today. You didn’t notice his ironic spelling of Sanctus? If both phrases were translated into Latin he wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between God save the King and Pop goes the Weasel. Yet he’s a devotee of Latin Mass.

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I couldn’t agree more with this Bp Pat. I have been saying exactly this for a long while and have been amazed at the reaction from friends and fellow parishioners who treat me like some kind of heretic.
I sometimes wonder what kind of NO experiences some TLM enthusiasts have had. I recently attended a solemn NO Mass which moved me to tears with its beauty and reverence. And yes, it followed the rubrics. All the NO ‘disasters’ I hear of involve the celebrant doing something different to what is actually proscribed in the missal. If they can’t follow the rubrics for a NO Mass, why should they be any better at following them for a TLM Mass? And what gives any of them, or any of us, the right to flagrantly question and countermand the direction of the Holy Father? The last thing the Church needs is this kind of division and disunity.

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The old mass fanatics only talk about the new mass’s imagined defects to distract from the fact they want their own show. It’s about power and politics, not the mass.
Oh and it also highlights their incredible amount of whataboutery.

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@ 9:44am
The New Mass fanatics only want to ban people who don’t want their proddy communion service and foist it on the faithful who still want The Holy Sacrifice of The Mass. The Mass is an action not a narative. Thats Catholic teaching not whatabountery.

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@ 9:22am

I’m sorry I can’t agree with you about the NO, the thing is those who use it don’t know what a rubric is. Like you I too have been in tears watching it on Youtube it would make the angels cry it so awful and banal I cold never actually attend it. However for those who want it their welcome to it as long as I don’t have to see it. See how Christian we are unlike the liberal brigade we’re not asking for it to be banned, much as I’d like to be.😏

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I disagree with Pat’s opinion on Traddies. It’s not enough to excommunicate them, they should be executed for treason (the pope’s a monarch, isn’t he?) But only after being tortured by a revamped Papal Inquisition. God would approve.

Incidentally, great documentary currently on Netflix, about that 15year old girl, Emanuella Orlando, who was kidnapped in June 1983. Vatican involvement, not directly though.

You may remember Pope Francis allowed the opening of a grave in one of the Vatican cemeteries, because some thought she was buried there.

Poor girl. Poor family.

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Bishop Pat I could not have put it better mentally disturbed or highly aggressive people.
However as Catholics we should be praying for them and not condeming them as it is upsetting they have lost the way.
I think there is more to come from Pope Francis and Cardinal Roche in the future they either return or see themselves as a sect.
The Senior Leaders and Clergyof the FSSPX do not condem or speak badly about Pope Francis and the RCC as they respect the office of Pope Francis it is as you say the mentally disturbed or highly aggressive followers and if they looked at themselves they have lost the way.
49% of your life was a roman Catholic and due to the horrendous situation with you and Cardinal Daily you desided to leave and I have it from Bishop noel there is no records even in the achives of you being excommunicated as that is the last thing any Pope wants to sign off.
The Society of FSSPX is at a crossroads as their Bishops are getting older and the leader is a Priests so that maybe the turning point who knows let us leave it to the Holy Spirit and in the meantime pray for all in the LMB cult.
You are a Holy and Good person only wanting the food for the journey known as the Eucharist and it is the centre of your life.
Numbers meen nothing to the RCC and it’s 1.3 Billion it is all about the lost sheep returning that is when we weep if they do not.
You see the horrendous, filthy way some members of the LMB reply and now they are saying you are all over the place.

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@ 9:50
Well as we all know you are mentally disturbed and change like the wind one minute you’re slagging poor Patsy next you’re brown nosing him. Here you are again with all your false piety and sanctimonious claptrap Do you think Patsy’s stupid he got your number long ago.

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I had never heard of the Caribbean Netherlands but it tickles me that even some of their 26,000 residents turn to this page to watch the Irish catlicks ranting and raving.

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10:34 is amused at the “ignorance” of others. He should be careful about making statements of “fact”. There is always another who will go one better.
Rome never did Aramaic. .It’s Liturgy was in Greek until 4th Century. Why? The people understood it.
In England today a “Latin Mass” is not about “understanding” it is about the better class of Catholic marking itself off from the plebs it has not got anything to do with the working-class Aramaic/Greek speaking blokes chosen and commissioned to proclaim the Resurrection by that carpenter from Nazareth.
The behaviour of “Benedictine Monks” as confirmed by this week’s report hardly fits in with their marketing of themselves as “chaplains” to the great and the good of English Catholicism, a class which itself has lost the intellectual and spiritual vigour of the Belloc, Chesterton Grimley Knox golden years.

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11.54, 10.34 here. I did not say that Rome ever did Aramaic. Learn to understand English as well as read it.
The early church existed before ‘Rome’. In the beginning (and for some time thereafter) christian communities did both Aramaic and Hebrew, not Greek. The Hellenistic converts would have done Greek, of course. What this means is that the early church was into the vernacular: each local assembly did things in its own language.
However, you don’t want to be faithful to the model set down by the early church; you would impose on believers a language they do not speak.
Go one better? You? Better class of Catholic and dizzying intellectual? 🤣You’ve made a total berk of yourself.
You know nothing about the early church.

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Younger priests in Clogher….ordained in the last 10 years……all wear trad vestments but say Mass in English. What’s that about? They mustn’t know the latin

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They don’t. Despite the code of canon law saying you have to be competent in Latin to be ordained. The same one that says clergy face censure for not being celibate….

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1.23 God left Catholic many moons ago. Shame he didn’t take all those rotten buggers for priests with him, holy show they are.

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The Latin, Satin and Lace brigade want to drag the church back to time where the priest was the almighty and the submissive congregation, ignorant of the language, said the rosary over and over again during what was the priests mass where our God only speaks Latin. Not catholic at all.

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Power, camp, repressed sexuality, clericalism and elitism. A referential church spending energy on making the clergy centre and the laity low- on how many candlesticks and how deep the lace while poor are hungry and millions of Catholics no longer give a fig or come near. A prissy church of dress-up – not a word about evangelisation and care of the vulnerable & oppressed. Mission Sunday ! Their mission is all about them and their “taste”. If anyone says “this is what people want” then that’s great! Let’s also have contraception – bless same sex unions and have women in authority and in holy orders – coz (more) folk want that too! You’re really just like queer vultures picking over the decaying corpse of a one-time force for good . Tragic

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Here’s another fact which the cosplay ‘trads’ don’t like: when the 1570 missal came out any other rite used for less than 200 years was banned.
A papal ban of a rite of mass is about as trad as you can get.

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I know that the traddy movement includes many gay boys. Some are repressed even to the point of marrying a woman but many are active resulting in psychological distress and nervous breakdowns as trad priests condemn them, piling on the guilt.

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The gay stars of the blog are all poncho priests who exclusively say the unpopular New Mass.

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4:56. Wrong. You forget longtime blog favourites, Kitty “Whoopsie” Kirby and disciple Porn Again Elijah.

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I like the trad mass, I used to go to the one in Galway run in the opus dei house. I am not a trad or not into lace but there is something nice and authentic about the trad. mass. I would like if Francis could facilitate its continuation into the future. There was only one priest who could say it in the house. As they say feck the begruggers.

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Hands up, I love a sung Latin Mass, as I most likely been automatically excommunicated, what Francis says will not affect me.
I think there is nothing more beautiful than being in church, singing plain chant along with the choir, not necessary for religious reasons, it takes me back to my childhood, when we thought so much of Catholicism and the church, and Mass was said in Latin, of course like all good Catholic girls I sung in the choir, all is lost.
Not all of us who love the TLM are even practicing Catholics, it is part of who we are, I can see and understand Francis’s point of view it can be seen as elitist and divisive, not for many of us though.
Even as I sit here listening to the Credo, their is rain gushing from my eyes.

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Can I just say that I love that you are Latin Mass Brigade in Name Only? 😉
Cognates might be Bouncy Castle Latin Mass Brigade and Lapsed Latin Mass Brigade.
(sarc)

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Abuse-enabler Francis supports abortion-promoting politicians like Biden & Pelosi.
He, or others close to him, defied the order of her bishop for her to not receive the Eucharist.
But muh Traditional Latin Mass.

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Big interview in todays Irish Independent with Dominican Fr Philip Mulryne based in Co Cork. He was a former Manchester footballer.

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On Wednesday, the Catholic University of America published the results of an extensive survey of American Roman Catholic priests and their bishops.
On October 19, 2022
3,516 Roman Catholic priests took part in the survey, across 191 Roman Catholic dioceses and eparchies in the United States
The results laid bare a collapse in trust of the Roman Catholic bishops by their own Roman Catholic clergy.

American Roman Catholics priests describe their Roman Catholic bishops,

as “imperious,”
“above the law,”
and ladder-climbing “chameleons.”

The study is remarkable, both for its findings and the high participation rates among Roman Catholic bishops and Roman Catholic priests.

The report paints a bleak picture, with Roman Catholicpriests describing their bishops using some very unflattering terms —
“imperious,” “above the law,” and “chameleons”
were some of the more biting ones used.
Diocesan priests said they, in turn, are seen as “expendable,” and as “liabilities” by their Roman Catholic
bishops who would “throw them under the bus” at the first sign of a problem.

One has to ask to question what would the likely result of such a survey be of Irish Roman Catholic priests & their Bishops.
Would it be the same or, worse?
It’s very scathing in parts, it really is an organisation in disarray from top to bottom.

1)
Will rebuilding trust be on USCCB’s Baltimore agenda?
Rebuilding trust with their clergy will be a big job for the US bishops. But will it be on their agenda, or the ballot, when the USCCB meets?
The Pillar. ED. CONDON October 20, 2022 . 4:31 PM
2)
Major survey of Catholic priests finds trust issues, burnout, fear of false allegations
By Jonah McKeown St. Louis, Mo., Oct 19, 2022 / 13:23 pm. CNA
3)
National Study of Catholic Priestshttps://catholicproject.catholic.edu › national-study-of-c…

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Bishop Pat, would the Pope be ok about our priest on the local swingers scene, do you think? It’s not like he’s kiddy fiddling as far as we know. The church has changed so much since we were kids, not sure what they allow priests to do these days?

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5.57: You big feckin thicko! Honestly, where do you twits cone from…Go and say the rosary. Mind your own business.

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I don’t think Pope Francis is going to excommunicate anyone for going against something HH has not done, that is, ban the ‘Latin’ Mass. Some bishops did ban it post Traditionis Custodis (one Puerto Rican priest who mostly offered a Latin Novus Ordo Missae was temporarily detained in a psychiatric facility for continuing to offer it, which is sick), but most did not. Most going to the traditional Mass will not go to the Novus Ordo Missae, which seems a mutual adoration between an old priest and some old boomers, who also cluster around the altar dressed up as priests. If families going the old Roman Rite are pushed away, which is not likely to happen, these people and their young families will simply work it out via SSPX or an independent priest offering the Roman Rite Mass, and post V2 Church is headed for oblivion. Shoulder shrugging time. Pope Benedict’s efforts to heal were thrown into the bin. They had worked well, but that did not matter to Spirit of V2 fanatics who’d rather closed Churches than the traditional use of Latin, even for the New Mass.

Sacrosanctum Concilium exhorted that Gregorian chant and Latin be retained, but some allowance be made for native languages. What happened with the Vincentian and his crew of academic priests was something which arrogantly ripped out centuries of tradition. The lectionary and psalms of the LOTH cut out anything ‘pastorally’ or ‘psychologically’ difficult (like the imprecatory psalms). The Mass itself got an offertory from Talmudic seder meal, and not something Latin or Greek, as might be expected. Some would wonder about validity if the offertory is of that nature. The ‘transitional’ Rite preferred by the CDF was discarded, altho it followed SC closely. Benedict brought healing via Summorum Pontificum. Until some years into the reign of Pope Francis, there was a mutual enrichment, although some just used tradition rubrics in the New Mass which makes limited sense, but there was an effort to draw together.

If someone looks at the typical diocesan parish offering the New Mass, both priest and people won’t be around in two decades or so. There’s maybe one or two babies at most. No teens. The contrast with what you call the ‘Latin’ Mass is extraordinary, every age, young and old, and multiple Sunday Masses, and well attending morning Low Masses before work, which Cardinal Heenan saw would vanish with the Novus Ordo which he considered a liturgy for women and children, maybe women and the womanly. The people who resort to the like of establishment rebel Fr Tony Flannery are elderly and frankly not long for the world. Just facts. People can argue with reality but it doesn’t matter. Vocations are again diving under Francis. Whatever he thinks won’t be of longterm concern, and he cannot bind his successors. The fanatic hate for tradition of Arthur Roche, pal of Jimmy Saville, won’t matter. A report is to issue on Jimmy Saville in a day or two. I wonder if he and the so called media Leeds Mafia will feature, aside from the known pervs.

You seem +Pat to think Francis is someone he is not. Just before he was elected, and still Abp of Buenos Aires he had commissioned a legal scholar to publish volume after volume attacking the victims and evidence against Julio Cesar Grassi who had founded an orphanage which was a pretext to abuse young male orphans, and he was afterwards sentenced when the Argentine Supreme Court confirmed the sentence. Grassi said Jorge Bergoglio figuratively never let go of his hand. And on becoming Pope, Mauro Inzoli from whom Benedict had removed faculties after reports of abusing boys in confessional, and after his initial conviction, had his faculties restored while his case was under appeal, and more boys were abused. Finally he was jailed. After that Barros, Zanchetta and so many perv cronies followed without cease. Pope Francis is a friend of predators and a foe of victims.

You may be trolling +Pat, but if you are serious, you are just silly.

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5.59
They made similar allegations about Jesus of Nazareth. Continue to do the devil’s work, Symmachus.

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I used to hear that your ancestors were so learned that they even sold their pigs using the Greek tongue. Perhaps the use of the Greek liturgies, using English or Irish*, could be the solution to all your liturgical discord.
There was an Anglican bishop in Scotland, a non-juror, perhaps,who tried to introduce Orthodox liturgies amongst his flock, but they found those forms too alien. I might observe that those particular Keltic cousins never had the reputation of selling their pigs in Greek.
* Erasmus translated the Liturgy into Latin, and his Latin version was used by a Russian in Bologna a year or two ago which video can be found online. Russian bishops use Latin verses in their pontifical liturgies too.

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On another note, anybody been following the Community Party Assembly in Beijing ? The Vatican subservience to those abominable wax works is outrageous. They have sold Chinese Catholics down the river. It is, by and large, the policy of an Englishman, Archbishop Gallagher of the Secretariate of State, erstwhile Liverpool priest. I wonder what history will make of him and his policy when hundreds of thousands of Chinese Catholics find themselves in labour camps and exile. All so the Pope can have some say in appointing, or giving some kind of nod, to Chinese bishops. Well, I hope it’s worth it, ++Paul !

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I think the Latin Mass is dated. My granny talked of how it was “mysterious” in that they couldn’t understand it. Sure it could’ve been devil worshipping..? Never trust a man in lace that belongs on a 1920s Dutch hoor-house window.

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The biggest lolz on the blog are on days like these when the blog athiests and CINOs argue about Mass, a thing they never attend 🤣

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Reply to; Anonymoussays:
Oct 22, 2022 at 8:01 pm.
What you fail to understand is, Ālea iacta est.
(“The die is cast”)
If I was an athlete, a banker, or a doctor, and I spent a large portion of my life following those paths, if I retire and, no longer practice, or worked in those fields, does that mean in your opinion that, I no longer should take and interest in my past pursuits or field of interests? I don’t think so. The same applies to lapsed Catholics.

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300717965/the-catholic-church-needs-deep-renewal-if-its-abuse-apologies-are-to-mean-anything
The Catholic Church needs deep renewal if its abuse apologies are to mean anything
Rocío Figueroa Alvear 05:00, Oct 22 2022.
“The crisis of sexual abuse within the Catholic Church is not just about perpetrators and victims. It’s not a case of a few bad apples preying on the vulnerable.
As a Catholic theologian and abuse survivor who has researched sexual harm within the church, I know it’s much more than that – it’s about an entire structure that has enabled the abuse to continue.
On the one hand, we have the silence, the mishandles, the cover-ups – those in the hierarchy who would prefer to protect perpetrators and the “image” of the church than defend survivors – and on the other, we have an unhealthy culture that has perpetuated the abuse.”
“As Christians, we must be the community that Jesus wanted: displaying real compassion towards survivors, real justice for victims who have suffered enormously, and real humility to accept our wrongdoings.
It’s time our church began a deep renewal.”

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In pluribus unibus ulsterbus et quack. Latin is a language like french spanish or any other. When Charles was proclaimed king legal forms of language were used. Though having their rightful place theatrics should never become more important than the underlying reality. Jesus gave His life for us. He never wore posh vestments used little round wafers nor a gold cup full of jewels. Honour the Lord Celebrate the Mystery. Avoid magic like escapism

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Pat, I mentioned earlier a documentary on Netflix about Emanuela Orlandi, a 15-year-old citizen of the Vatican state who was kidnapped in June 1983. The Vatican is suspected of involvement at some level.
Did you blog about this before? If you didn’t, watch the documentary, and blog about it, please.

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‘Will rebuilding trust be on USCCB’s Baltimore agenda?’
That’s a horse which has long since bolted. If y’all look at yourselves ranting on here even you may get an inkling why nobody trusts you. 🤣

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God is a good guy. I’m a good guy. We’re ALL good guys here.
Therefore, therefore… God is on OUR side.
Simple, really. 🙄

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