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WHY ARE IRISH BISHOPS TOLERATING THEIR PROMISCUOUS PRIESTS SEXUAL ACTIVITIES THAT CONTRAVENE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND CANON LAW?

WHY ARE THE IRISH CATHOLIC BISHOPS ALLOWING THEIR PRIESTS – GAY AND STRAIGHT – TO LIVE SEXUALLY IMMORAL AND ORGIASTIC LIFESTYLES?

There has to e reasons for this.

What could those reasons be?

1. Maybe the bishops are atheists, agnostics or pagans?

Maybe these bishops do not believe in the TEN COMMANDMENTS – especially the 6th and 9th that forbid this behaviour? And maybe they do not believe in the traditional Catholic moral theology they ask the rest of us to believe in and practice?

If that is the case they are absolutely UNFIT to be RCC bishops.

2. Maybe the bishops themselves are, or have been “AT IT” themselves – and priests know that – resulting in them having no moral authority – as the priests could call their bluff and expose them?

The late Bishop Seamus Freeman

We have the evidence of one former Maynooth seminarian – “JF” – who I have personally met and spoken to – a regular frequenter of the Dublin Boilerhouse, who was sitting in the sauna on night with his ass sticking out. The perpendicular Freeman approached him intending to fill his void. JF spotted him and withdrew the previously available aperture, leaving His Lordship’s sword without a scabbard 😞

FREEMAN

The Blog has information on other Irish bishops – those who, in their time “entertained” Maynooth and other seminary professors abd those who have done and still do travel to foreign lands to have “a rub of the relic”.

SCORING THE IRISH DIOCESES

These problems exist in ALL IRISH DIOCESE.

But the score, in my view, is as follows:

NUMBER ONE – ARMAGH

To my knowledge Armagh is the worst Irish diocese when it comes to the sexual misbehaviour of clergy.

The Armagh misbehaviour is mainly homosexual. Reports suggest that there is the odd Father Peeping Tom?

NUMER TWO – KILLALOE

Killaloe comes number two. Killaloe is a mixture of clerical homosexuality, heterosexuality and bisexuality.

Of course, it has the odd beachcomber onanist.

NUMBER THREE – DOWN AND CONOR

D&C is mainly homosexual.

But it does have Dallat – one of the oldest heteros in captivity.

Noel Treanor is physically in D&C but his ❤️ is elsewhere.

And there are occasional reports from MEATH, CLOGHER, CLOYNE, DUBLIN. DERRY, RAPHOE, GALWAY, KERRY, WATERFORD & L.

126 replies on “WHY ARE IRISH BISHOPS TOLERATING THEIR PROMISCUOUS PRIESTS SEXUAL ACTIVITIES THAT CONTRAVENE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND CANON LAW?”

Can we do a blog on UK dioceses too in terms of most promiscuous and dysfunctional clergy?

Birmingham must surely be at the top and makes you think about Longley and his leadership – Jolly and Quigley on his watch, Eddie Clare pissed off into the sunset, Gilbert, retired at 60, why? Same private secretary for 13 years – what is that all about?
Elsie – where to begin? Where to end? Dark arts.
Conry: player, three women at once.
Stock: insomniac – supports openly gay newly ordained banging on about his civil union.
Skeletons in Cupboard??

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Jolly and Quigley and a handful of others, including Bede Walsh, are criminal abusers and have been dealt with by the courts, rightly so. There are others in the woodwork who fit that bill as well, and they will come out of the woodwork in due course. As for Clare and Gilbert, well, they are MIA without any legal / criminal process being initiated, but falling foul of the safeguarding people because of some accusation that has been made, probably a fairly minor discretion. But, they are now toast and will not be back. In common with a clutch of other MIA, they will be supported by Birmingham financially for the foreseeable future.

In answer to the question: “WHY ARE IRISH BISHOPS TOLERATING THEIR PROMISCUOUS PRIESTS SEXUAL ACTIVITIES THAT CONTRAVENE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND CANON LAW?”, the fact is that most bishops simply do not have the wiggle room anymore to take action against the majority of their priests who are sexually active in contravention of their promise of celibacy and expectation a chaste life. There simply are not sufficient bodies to replace those who are living a duplicitous life and should be moved out. If they are sexually active – either straight or gay – , as long as it does not breach safeguarding, bishops will not take any action because they would find themselves without manpower. All they can do is put up with it. The only other solution at the moment is for them to import priests from abroad, and if you look at many diocesan directories you can see that is happening in a major way. The Birmingham directory looks like half of priests listed there have foreign names. Mind you, most of the congregations these days are ethnic, too. Bishops choose to turn a blind eye because they know that they would lose so many priests, and manpower / staffing issues would become impossible. Bishops have no option but to put up with their priests’ sexual misbehaviour.

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‘do not have the wiggle room anymore’

Yes I remember the good old days when they had enough priests to take abusers out of ministry and report them to law enforcement immediately.
Literally nothing has changed except the secular world, which cares more about children, has forced the church into a gay clergy.

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PS if you know about abusers in the archdiocese of Birmingham as you say you do, your clear duty is to contact West Midlands Police.

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9.45 Your statement is misleading – the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy & senior laity still covered up for its deviant members when annual intake numbers at seminaries wasn’t an issue.

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Patsy, the question you ask about Irish Bishops applies to every other Hierarchy in the world. All of them feckin hopeless, but what can you expect when the liberal cabal now in power in Rome does nothing.

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Ah nothing like spreading a bit of scandal to get views and likes. Wonder what would Jesus say about that. Would he approve.

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I doubt that Jesus would even approve of the existence of this poisonous blog, nor the activities of it’s owner (who of course is so cowardly that he would never publish this comment).

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Let’s get this straight. According to you, this is a poisonous blog. If you truly believed it to be poisonous then why are you awake at 6.41 am commenting on it? The owner has now published your comment. Maybe it is you who is cowardly?

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9:48 cathbots couldn’t give a damn what Jesus thinks, they are abusing & exploiting his name as a front for their own criminal empire aka the Roman Catholic Church. Evil wolves in sheep’s clothing is all they are.

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What would Jesus say about that? He has actually expressed an opinion:
‘So do not be afraid of them. For there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, and nothing hidden that will not be made known.’

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Reply to; Anonymoussays:
Oct 24, 2022 at 9:57 am
Jesus seems to have been asleep on the job for far too long.
It’s taken a very long time for sex abuse abuse inflicted by Roman Catholic clerics to be acknowledged by the Roman Catholic church, and then only when, its back was against the wall, no thanks to the Roman Catholic church, it’s Popes, or, its Bishop hierarchy.
It was all hush-hush, send him to another parish, if he continues to sexually abuse, send him to another country, foist a sexual abuser on a community that’s less likely to complain.
I am sure we don’t know the half of it yet, and never will.
Roman Catholic Bishop’s world wide are very likely to be still covering up child sex abuse, it certainly seems so in India, if it’s happening there it is also most likely to be happening in other countries.
INDIA
Pune priest granted bail in POCSO case
Pune News Updated on Oct 23, 2022 06:55 AM IST
The FIR stated that Father Pereira sexually abused the boy while two other prominent members of the church —
Thomas Dabre, the Roman Catholic bishop of Pune diocese,
and Cardinal Oswald Gracias, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Bombay — allegedly DI NOT ACT against the main suspect despite complaints from the sexual abused survivor’s family members.
INDIA
Indian family seeks dismissal of priest accused of abuse
The 55-year-old Father Vincent Pereira of Pune in western India has been accused of sex abuse many times since 2014
INDIA
TWO PROMINENT INDIAN BISHOPS MUST GO
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 08-17-2022.
Calls for India’s Roman Catholic Cardinal Oswald Gracias and Roman Catholic Bishop Kannikadass William Antony to be removed from office.

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Pat, you covered similar issues and questions recently. Didn’t you? I would like you to prove definitively your accusations about bishops. We know that moral and spiritual failings are to be found among priests and Bishops. I really believe that the nature and format for priestly living is very idealistic. We are not free of the normal human, psychological needs which are intrinsic to our humanity. Obviously when we make vows, we do so in the hope of living them, as you, Pat, did all those years ago. We soon discover in the living of priesthood, as you did, that there’s no magic “grace” to ward off the natural human needs. What we require is an honest, open and sincere debate about sexuality vis a vis celibacy, about priesthood in the 21st century, a renewed focus on and a new understanding of ministry, particularly in light of all the scandals. While hypocrisy must be called out, I wonder ate we just as afraid to ask the deeper, more searching questions. I have not yet found the “rule of life” to help me live fully the perfection or ideal of priesthood. While I keep THE GOSPEL OF JESUS and his living as my guide, I am comforted by the quote from Saint John Henry Cardinal Newman: “Here below to live is to change and to be perfect is to have changed often.” The perfection Jesus calls us to achieve is one of great difficulty and effort. I know the vast majority of us struggle with these concepts. Yet, despite repeated failures, we must not lose our trust and hope in God’s redeeming mercy and love. There are some who will tell us as priests that we’re undeserving of God’s mercy! Really. We will have to change daily – all of us who profess Jesus, to be perfect as our heavenly Father is!

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12.20 sounds like Bishop Fintan Monahan promoting his book on Cardinal Newman. That Monahan is wasted I tell ya, he’d sell oil to an Arab!

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Fact: other diocese are better at keeping things quiet. Many of my colleagues have multiple children – with the same mother. Around these parts it’s a hetro culture but sadly these dad’s take no responsibility beyond finance

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I’m confused. Do you mean several of your colleagues have children with a different woman each? Or that one woman has a lot of children by a number of father’s, all priests?
The mind boggles.

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9.55 perhaps priests have been commissioned to “breed” new life into the Roman Catholic Church? Shame Fraudulent Frankie wasn’t more transparent to let the rest of the world know?? More cover up?!

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@9.55
Yes, I could have been clearer. Let’s say each of the referred to priests has their own partner, with whom they have all their children. So (one priest + one woman + multiple children) x several

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I agree Pat about your assessment of Armagh. Your blogs last week are the latest in a long line of stirling investigations you have executed. It is amazing that church trials can be ongoing yet we are not made aware of it. Scary in fact.

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Pat you are the greatest investigative journalist I know. Look at the resources you have and what you have achieved. Wow – impressive mate

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Perhaps Pat, the Irish Bishops are modelling an approach similar to yours, albeit covert, but a step towards sexual integration. As long as it’s consenting adults

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Dear Pat. It is my understanding that you will be made aware of a rendez-vous, for want of a better phrase, between a certain Ryan McAleer and a music ‘star’ in Northern Ireland. Details will most certainly be forthcoming.

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The Royal English College, Valladolid, has a new Rector!
CHURCH MILLITANT REPORTS – by William Mahoney, Ph.D. July 28, 2022
ChurchMilitant.com
Former seminarian: “If I go back to the seminary, how do I know I’m not going to go through another horrible experience like this?”
“A former Irish seminarian called it quits after seminary formators continually harassed him …
During one assessment meeting, the former seminarian from Ireland recalls being drilled for his conservative views.”
“He recounts being chided with insults and accusations.”
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https://cm.patmoshosting.com/videos/dist/pack-2022-07-27_Mahoney.mp4
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https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/orthodox-seminarians-need-not-apply

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This was me. This article focused more on the homosexual culture within the Church, which is very bad, but I wanted to emphasise the mental torment that Paul Farrer and Damian Cassidy put us all through.

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I disagree Pat. I believe D&C to be number one. You said – they are all homosexuals, and they are. This is where the majority of Daisy Chain NI come from. Now that the youngest one in the group has broke away after finding love with a lay man – it remains to be seen if the rest of the group will continue their ‘discreet’ non penetrating group.

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Yea it is, you are so right!
The one that doesn’t live in the parochial house but lives up the road in his bf house for example.

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A common mentality of so called senior clergy in positions such as VG, Treasurer, DRE or DSC is that the sophistication of their new roles means they ‘’don’t do religion anymore.’
Unlike humble parish priests they are involved in multi million school building projects or buying property and far too busy and important to do religion.
But by not doing religion they no longer pray or believe and are contemptuous of those who do.
Bishops are like this – many don’t pray or believe in God and are homophiles or active homosexuals.
It’s a farce and the wheels are starts to come off but Omertà is alive and kicking and celibacy the device which creates the veneer of holiness blah blah but they don’t believe half of it!!

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I m surprised that the exploits of Dolly Xxxxxxxx has not reached your ears. In Rome he was well known to frequent two certain bars for men into leather and discipline. Always looked rather flushed after a night in the sling. A confirmed bottom.

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5.50 Shouldn’t you be praying instead of writing these stomach churning comments so early in the morning?

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8:03am This is a 24/7 blog. If One wakes up in the middle of the night from a nightmare brought on by a bad encounter with a lay or ordained catlick, one can quickly post on the blog as part of their therapy. It sure beats being punished by the RCC for rightfully reporting abuse, harrassment and all of the nasty things they do to victims, survivors & their supporters.

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Ah yes, that little tour in the sunshine came to an untimely end ! Didn’t he fall out with the rector at the time ? Anyhow, he couldn’t go back to his job as head honcho of the prison chaplains. Another strange oddbod took that one on, Douthwaite or something like that, who has a strange backstory and history. The detail eludes me at present, but there is a story there.

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Monsignor Roger Reader left after only the second semester, she’s ex-Anglican. She was a close friend to the late Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor and lived with and cared for him in his last months.

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12.20am
Trust me last thing needed is a conference on celibacy and priestly sexuality- it’s easy most priests are gay, celibacy is not a grace it’s a perversion and device which fuels hypocrisy and criminality and nothing worse than listen to a celibate male bang on about sexuality FFS!!

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And another when RMN went to Galway. They are good at dumping their pests and problems on others.

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Hi Pat, I was referred to this blog by my RE teacher. It was always my belief that priests were allowed to have sex. I’m astonished to learn their vow of celibacy, I am aware of many priests who are in relationships – of the sexual kind

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This guy? I’m 17, and my teacher, Mr ****** recommended this blog as an alternative view on Trad issues. Thanks for the comment – Troll

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9.12 why do you think they spend so much time and money on training lay replacements, freeing up clerics time for their preferred pursuits be it financial or sexual etc.

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Bishops should be like MP’s – servants of the people and accountable to them.
They see themselves as overlords and some are tyrants.
I believe lay people will rise up against them and overthrow these imposters.

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9.13am
Paul Douthwaite – oh go on what’s the backstory- he’s in the mold of classic priest tyrant and control freak.
He doesn’t speak kindly of Roger Reader and what kind of falling out happened I wonder – Rodge the Dodge was made a Monsignor by CMOC and was his cook and general dogs body – v effete with simmering anger issues!!
But Douthwaite what is that all about?
what diocese is he?
He loves his Prison Chaplain salary that much I know – saw him once in a coffee shop flirting with a young fella – no doubt who was testing his vocation – poor fool!!

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I seem to remember that Douthy likes the women, and believes himself to be irresistible. So, I think the coffee shop story doesn’t really hold water. He’s now a Mgr, I think, given because of his elevated prison role. He was a Redemptorist, but moved on to Hexham and Newcastle after a stint as a military chaplain, where he didn’t stay too long and I don’t think went too well for him. Talks a good talk, likes himself and is good at reinventing himself. He seems to be keeping his nose clean in his current role. He hasn’t much competition amongst the RC prison chaplains. Last refuge of the incapable and questionable.

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I think Reader’s role with CMOC was to make sure the gin and whiskey was rationed. Otherwise CMOC would have indulged himself. Old soak ! I remember being at a meeting with him and it was obvious he could’nt get through things quickly enough so that he could start on his pre-prandial g&t.

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Some irish bishops are compromised so that some priests in the know could expose them. That piece about Freeman which implies that there are some irish bishops out there doing the same thing and also in Rome as well.

Many months ago I started to see that some bishops were pagan or they dont believe to what their catholicism stood for. For instance, an example of this is kildorrey incident which wasn’t re consecrated up to now as that Bishop doesn’t believe it as regards to supernatural aspect.

Also in some of the irish bishops lifestyle, its a mishmash of being sexually active and also being atheist at the same time or being singular such as sexually active or pagan attitudes.

There was one newly ordained Bishop ordained 3 or 4 years ago, I saw him outside paddy Power bet shop looking more gay than I thought. He looked bit different from public photo profile although I could be wrong there. But I would need to bring a gay man to confirm that is the case if he saw him or not like I did. That’s cos of his gay radar.

Never saw Bishop walking or seen in public for instance, shopping etc or in a church where its open for prayer cos I never saw one except in Rome many years ago.

Bishops are just a public face or masquerading as a front of which doesn’t match their interior side of it. It’s a deceptive organisation and also misleading to the public as well. That isn’t right as the Vatican knows it. They have brought it on to themselves cos they had appointed them. Have no sympathy for them.

Bishops are more seen as finance managers nothing more or less, much less as religious. Thus their mindset is on money.

That brought home to me when I objected to my ex PP new top of the range car out of parish funds. That isn’t compatabile with their Catholuc lifestyle. That’s in 1980s and 1990s.

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Bishops have no choice if they sacked or DEFROCKED a priest cos of their debauchery lifestyle which would lead to severe shortage of priests here. What choice do they have 🤷‍♀️
Except Phonsie who did it re Shirley Bassey, that was very rare nowadays.
Bishops usual advice I would imagine is to tell them, don’t get caught’ or Daly telling a priest to change his car number plates.
Bishops or priests taking trips to exotic countries so they know that nobody would check them out especially in Cuba and Thailand or Vietnam (getting more common as I hear).

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9.32 Bishops don’t care, it’s every man for himself in the sinking ship. Up and coming laity they hoping will keep the show on the road are even worse, all in it for their own ends.

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Anon at 9.48am
Yeah right. Then we shouldn’t be giving our monies to them if they don’t care.
Once OAP’s are gone in next 20 years time, money will start to shrink v fast cos under 40s are lapsed and don’t bother.
It would be massive downsizing from millions to fewer millions to keep them ticking over in next 50 years. Then, after 100 years they would be nearly gone by them or just barely there hanging on. Rcc is on off the cliff and still falling until they reach the bottom. How long will it take to reach the bottom.🤷‍♀️😉

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In response to this blog, my mind turned to the normality of bishops and priests. They all have a sexual drive; they all have times when they feel a need to express their sexual desire. To many women (and men) the role of priest holds a certain fascination that is captured when sex with a priest becomes a possibility. Celibacy is the problem and the revelations of this blog tell us loundly that so many bishops and priests find it an impossible demand. Do away with celibacy and you do away with the ‘problem’ articulated by today’s blog.

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Celibacy going by Jesus calling his apostles and saying leave your families and come follow me signifies that they were to give up the sexual aspect of their lives and give 100 per cent to saving souls by the teaching and living what it is to have Gods love. Fran Brennan and Ronan Mullen say they are devout catholics and by that since they are not married and not ‘living in sin ‘ must be celibate and it would be interesting if they could tell us how they find celibate living. Also it would be good for our understanding of RCC rules if bishops gave interviews about their sexuality and how they cope with celibacy.

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11:55 You mean one of those cheap booklets in the CTS rack which all have an Imprimatur?
Or is it just because you didn’t give your own imprimatur?

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Absolute bollocks! You haven’t a clue about the Gospel. Jesus didn’t advocate celibacy by saying that we should put him first above all others, and everything else. Where the heck did you get that interpretation? From one of those cheap booklets in a CTS rack? Or is it just homespun?

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10.00am: I think your argument is facile. Do away with celibacy and the “problem” is fixed!! Wish life was as easy as this. Celibacy as a requirement needs to be reviewed urgently. A married priesthood has great merit but we then will have the challenge of a decent salary for the support of a couple and family and the difficulty of placement of such in various parishes. Married clergy in other denominations hasn’t sorted out all the human, sexual challenges. The option for marriage should be there for those who feel called to ministry. Wherever we have human beings with intrinsically deep psychological and sexual needs, there will always be a desire for intimacy of some kind. The ideal perfection is to have within our DNA the deepest of strength to be celibate, which many do achieve, but let’s not pretend it’s as easy as an ABC formula…”..do this and you’ll be fine…” Prayer is essential for all priests to remain in relationship with the God whose ways we seek to live as exemplified by Jesus. In the narrative of some commenters, there’s no room for failure, sin or moral transgressions in the life of a priest. I know many very humanly good priests, well adjusted and sound but who are also deeply prayerful and seek only what is best. I admire them but all of us, if we’re truthful, struggle with our humanity and therefore with the spiritual idealism put before us. God does allow for new beginnings however often we fail. We need to embrace God’s mind and heart in our assessment of others.

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11:55 Your comment sounds humane and reasonable but is deeply flawed in the light of the church’s requirement that its ministers’ continence be perfect. There is therefore no room for slips.
You may say, and I would agree, that that is an unreasonable expectation.
But if you are a minister and representative of a religion which has unreasonable expectations and you can’t keep them, the onus is on you as an adult to have the integrity to get out.

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@11:55 am The idea that everything will be fine if we do away with celibacy cannot be found in one syllable of my (well reasoned) post. I happen to agree with the points you have made, save that about my post being facile, which, I repeat, it is not.

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12.25
Utter nonsense. There are many married priests and deacons who ard encouraged to live full sexual lives. Continence as described by you is a neurosis.

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11.04:::: You had better pray for a thousand lives!! You’ll be well forgotten…the Church will prevail.

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Reply to;
Bishops and Priests are Nrmalsays:
Oct 24, 2022 at 10:00 am
Rubbish! nonsense!
It’s as hard to stay married today, as it is to remain celibate.
God love ya, when “celibacy” ends and, love affairs, marriage, either heterosexual or homosexual is allowed, that’s when the reality kicks in.
If you imagine there won’t be any problems, when the celibacy ban is lifted, you are in for a one helluva shock.
Surely you have seen the complications expressed on this blog, by those who have had affairs with Roman Catholic priests, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, matey, marriage and love comes at a cost, with huge responsibility for partner and children, even in separation and divorce, it will be interesting to see how you all cope.
I await with bated breath for that day.
Loss of parish — and housing
09 SEPTEMBER 2022

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Killaloe at number 2 – a good chart position. Some rogues gallery down there. But what about forgiveness? Isn’t that the basis for Christianity? Shouldn’t the lads all confess their sins and come back into the fold? Surely Killaloe is short priests now.

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12.35: You did say: “Celibacy is the problem….Do away with celibacy and you do away with the “problem”…”. Sir, what can these mean other than what they mean? Elucidate for me…

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@12.35 This is a matter of logic, which is an approach that seems to pass you by. I am very sorry to say that you need to enhance your critical faculties, developing an approach that enables you to understand that if the promise of celibacy is removed, the problem of celibacy will no longer be present. Other problems might arise but, to approach this logically, they are not and cannot be problems arising from celibacy. Try to explore that idea. My goodness, I did not expect to offer such basic instruction to a commentator addressing this blog.

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Paul urges us to pray constantly. According to Vassula Ryden, Jesus says that constant prayer doesn’t mean being on your knees all day (I should think not, ffs), but on simply remembering God’s presence. Jesus said (well, according to Vassula) if we did, we all would sin less.

Are either of these things even desirable, let alone possible. Isn’t Jesus asking us to multi-task? You know, being in the world, but not of it? That sort of utopian shite? Men are said to be far more inept at multitasking than women. Said by whom? I haven’t a bloody clue.

Would all these major scandals in the Church just disappear if we prayed more (provided we could cope with the mind-numbing boredom of praying to an abstract God)?

Forget celibacy, and all that crap. Do the problems in the Church come down just to an absence or infrequency of sincere prayer? Is it really that simple?

What say you all, God damn it?

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Now c’mon Pat! ‘FG’ is a username. I think you’re backtracking, unnerved that I know ‘FG’ s personal name.

Don’t worry. As I said in the comment you didn’t publish, I shan’t identify him.

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10:42 You have done an interesting service ironically by demonstrating the fear the RC church inflicts on people. The ex seminarian in the boiler house was doing nothing wrong or illegal and merely stating his own recollection of the behavior of a bishop.
He should have no fear of using his own name but any fear would be caused by likely retaliation by the RC criminal cabal.

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Bishop, I have a difficulty with one aspect of what you say:
‘Maybe the bishops are atheists, agnostics or pagans? … If that is the case they are absolutely UNFIT to be RCC bishops.’
I maintain that the only thing which explains everything that has happened in the RCC over the past few decades is that it is a criminal organization running a pretend religion as a front.
It would also explain how you could have a bishop of the religion who doesn’t believe the religion and ignores its teachings. In fact this is exactly the sort of bishop you would have in the criminal organization I posit.

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Over the past few decades? Are you thick? Since when has a Catholic priest ever shown, at any time in history, his belief in Jesus by his lifestyle?

When?

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Your reminder at 10:49 that Roman Catholics try to shut down discussion on the blog by taking absurd positions, asking stupid questions and personal abuse.

Because abuse is what they do best.

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10:49 I’m not the thick one. To read my comment and conclude that I mean the crimes only started in the past few decades, which isn’t even suggested, is to be really thick. 😂

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11.17 agreed, nasty slanderous individuals they are. Totally scurrilous in their efforts to divert from the truth.

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D&C is rife with homosexual an waring priests who can’t stand each other. Treanor will do nothing and neither will the singing warbler. It is an open secret within Lisbreen that this is the case. Treanor et al don’t give a toss. It really is about protecting the brand, protecting the business of raking in money and trying to exercise control over the faithful. The modus operandi in Lisbreen is -say nothing, deny everything, cover-up. As long as Treanor can hide in his sumptuous palace and his VG can live in his elegant 4 bedroom house overlooking Belfast lough, nothing else matters. Who is Treanor anyway? Does he even know anyone from the diocese other than those who serve him in some capacity? D&C has never been blessed with great leadership but this crowd are the worst ever. They are self seeking idiots who are a disgrace to Christ. What they have reaped they will sow

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There are no quarrelling priests in D&C. We all get on great. If you don’t believe, ask Bishop Treanor yourself.

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11.58am

Ah well you never know with the clergy which way they swing!!

He’s keeping his head down because salary and pension provision and maybe won’t have to reinvent himself for a while – the military background explains the high control, officious and inflated sense of his clerical dignity – which will not be helped by being a Monsignor!!

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He’d have been better off staying in the military for pay and pension; so much better than other chaplaincies like HMP. He didn’t last long, I believe, because of a little ‘local difficulty’, but very quickly reinvented himself in H&N and HMP. I think the high control freaky, officiousness and inflated clerical dignity is just part of the man who rather thinks he’s God’s gift. Although, in truth, he’d not be my cup of tea. Too short and a little podgy. Well, as long as he’s keeping the inmates happy and locked up, he’s doing us all a civic service.

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As I understand the situation, Valladolid is woefully underused. It is, however, very well endowed as a royal foundation, and the bishops of E & W cannot get their hands on the cash. I really don’t see why it should not again be a major seminary. Less glamorous than the VEC but so much the better for that. It could be a new kind of seminary based on spiritual, moral and academic rigour. But, let’s face it, there’s no chance of that. Oscott has huge significance viz Newman’s Second Spring – but that didn’t save Ushaw – whereas Allen Hall is a vanity project based on the post-Vatican II fallacy of preparing future priests in parishes whilst leaving them to their own devices on the King’s Road during the week.

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Fr Jan Nowotnik of Brum diocese was a seminarian there and had his ordination delayed after bawling out the rector. 😂

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I remember him coming to Oscott as a spotty teenager for vocations days with the late Fr. Seamus Gilroy. He was precocious then.

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The New attitude of Bishops is they do not care and turn a blind eye.
Glasgow’s Archbishop said to the clergy and lay faithful on Saturday well the problems of the Archdioceses of Glasgow are Not my problem No they are our problem.
Did he forget Pope Francis appointe him to the Archdioceses of Glasgow.
The papal Nuncio said Bishops can become weak but Glasgow has a strong man and he knows what he wants.
Well the Cathedral was not packed and 2/3 of the clergy were missing so role on the next 6.5 years then his replacement.
he is the metropolitian and yet Betty Turpin was away on a march at least Bishop Toal was there could hardly walk drawing his leg and can hardly see.
Let Glasgow Flourish is the motto well the Daisy Chain certainly is.

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Nolan is like the captain on that (Irish) ship what sunk quick! He’s rearranged some deckchairs this week but it’s all delaying the inevitable – he’s a decent spud but up against it with a deflated clergy, pissed-off laity and surrounded by the daisies who will defo be a chain around his neck – until + Pat outs them all (given that the wicked witch of the west has been emasculated and afraid to do so) how did it get this bad ? 🙈🤷🏾‍♂️

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Keenan is toxic – he’s smarting never got the pallium – but we’re all breathing a sigh! Sooner somebody outs him the better

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Keenan is toxic – he’s smarting never got the pallium – but we’re all breathing a sigh! Sooner somebody outs him the better

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11.58am
Ah well you never know with the clergy which way they swing!!
He’s keeping his head down because salary and pension provision and maybe won’t have to reinvent himself for a while – the military background explains the high control, officious and inflated sense of his clerical dignity – which will not be helped by being a Monsignor!!

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The training of priests and the idea, not of a university but of a seminary is an anachronism stretching all the way back to the Council of Trent and basically untouched in its broad strokes since then.
Today because of rampant homosexuality and repressed unhealthy sexuality seminaries are deeply unhealthy and troubled institutions attracting the dysfunctional and unhinged. Men completely unsuited and for whom the priesthood is their only option. Most would be lower tier workers – waiters,coach drivers, bank clerks and so on.
The seminary project is over they are just not courageous enough to admit it and so the delusion continues.

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The Jesuits do a better job, I think. Serious and focussed. They attract a sane and settled kind of candidate – well, perhaps with the exception of Father Underpants, and they were quick to move him on when they realised. Maybe the bishops should be asking the SJs how they get it right ?

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Good analysis 4:12pm of the seminary system. The Church continues to insist on celibacy but it isn’t possible for the vast majority of men. The Church is basically denying to those who join, the most fundamental and basic aspect of humanity……the need for intimacy. It immediately fails when this is denied to men joining the priesthood.

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4.12: A very untrue assessment. You know it is dishonest to make the claim you make about priests. All 12 in my ordination year received 3rd level university degrees: arts: politics: accountancy: languages: history etc…along with degrees in theology and philosophy and sociology. Those who left had no difficulty in finding very gainful, fruitful employment, some of them becoming very highly paid company directors. Many former priests I met in parishes were all full time professional men. Your comments are ignorant. Apart from myself, 3 of my class colleagues were trained teachers…I trust you’ve not been well educated to make this trashy type of comment!! Only lower tier types make these crap comments. Are you a loo cleaner or street cleaner??

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Somebody is as sensitive as a sore tooth about her alleged educational attainments. 😂

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5.23pm

Fr Jan now there’s an interesting name – what’s his story to tell? V close to John Gilbert but one presumes with his unceremonious exit from the priesthood not so much now.
A doctorate my arse – who did he please to get that academic accolade cuz he ain’t that smart and why is he down in London and what sauna does he frequent and with who?
Yes a short tempered little mammys boy and his sojourn in Rome coaxed out his inner Sebastion if you know what I mean.
Bawled out the Rector eh – whatever for?
What did the poor Rector do?
He’s such a gossip bitch though – my God when he gets on a tirade you can’t shut him up.

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The doctorate is from The Angelicum – no doubt from the English section which they have so that Yanks can come over to Rome and study without the hassle of having to learn Italian ! The job down in London with the CBCEW is a nothing job, a sinecure, joining a whole lot of other desk wallahs who fancy being down in London for their own reasons and pleasures. He’s deffo a gay boy, like so many clergy in Birmingham, and there’s a lot going on behind the scenes in his life, I am certain. My gaydar is active and twitching and it’s picking up signals from his direction. And, it’s never wrong ! He’s probably a friend of Canon Chris Thomas, the Gen Sec, who is an inveterate gossip , and one of those clerics who likes to swan around in his equestrian order stuff and head off to Jerusalem on trips.

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Should you be taking the moral high ground dear boy? With you and your lovers pasthistory you are hardly able to judge others surely?

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I am struck how difficult it is to cope with the decline of church going.
Here’s a thought (which the faithful won’t like): church going was at an unusually high level in the twentieth century, driven partly by the questioning caused by wars.
Without this unusual peak followed by a decline of interest in religion in the west with an accompanying decline of ‘social’ church attendance, the churches wouldn’t be having a decline.
Why does it bother some people so much? Could it possibly be the decline of importance, power and revenue? If it is you are the problem and fully deserve to decline.

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6.31pm

Classic clerical reaction and oh so sensitive on the nerve of seminary calibre – you trust is misplaced my education to tertiary and graduate level more than suffices – in the round the quality of seminarian and ordained clergy is low tier – teachers, waiters, lorry drivers, bank clerks – your reaction is class sensitive and typical of the priestly caste you adhere to believing yourselves of a class alongside the landowner, doctor as of old in rural Ireland.
So passé darling.

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6.20: An even more ignorant comment. Your education as evidenced in your poor grammatical construction is as low as can be. You haven’t a clue what you’re trying to articulate, o philistine!! As for passe – “caca” is appropriate for your silliness. Stay cleaning loos!

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7.38 you are a prime example of a spiteful catlick attempting to undermine this blog. Keep showing yourself up, why don’t ya!

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6.38 I am always suspicious of comments with two full stops at the end. Reminds me of a certain PP (Predator Priest).

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Pat, you have Amy Martin well cornered. She is squirming I am told about your pasting of McAleer last week. Reel them in, Padre.

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7.58pm
My you are rattled: must have gotten under than thin skin making my case rather well I feel of the low calibre of the clergy these days.

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Heard a good one Pat. A ween a clergy living in Ard Mhacha City and are never welcome to celebrate Holy Mass in any of da parish churches by the ADM, now dats a rare sad state of affairs. Visiting clergy welcome to be second in command seems to be the rule also. What is becoming of da whole church and all while the boss knows openly whats up!

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