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ITS ALL OVER FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN IRELAND.

WE’RE JUST WAITING FOR THE FAT NUN TO COME ON AND SING!

THE IRISH CATHOLIC CHURCH as we have known it (1922 – 1970s) is in decline and on the way out.

And that is a very good thing.

The Irish state that emerged post 1922 was a confessional Catholic state where politicians and others did what the bishops ordered.

The image of Eamon de Valera going down on one knee to kiss John Charles McQuaid’s ring says it all.

The real parliament of that state was the Purple Parliament of Maynooth.

The archbishop of Dublin could “sack” the health minister Dr Noel Browne.

And Dr Browne’s boss, the taoiseach proclaimed: “I am a Catholic first and a politician second”.

We must recognise that the RCC filled important roles in the early Ireland when it came to health, education and social care.

At the time the governments did not have the resources to deal with all these needs and were quite happy for the Church, with all its resources, wealth and free labour to fill these gaps.

It suited the Church too. It gave the Church enormous power and control.

And the governments paid the Church bodies well and facilitated a huge rise in the Church’s wealth.

It was church and state paradise.

But what about the poor people on the bottom – the poor children and parents, the unmarried mothers, the orphans etc.

They were at the mercy of Church and State.

And the bad fruits ripened over time – child sexual abuse by priests, brothers and nuns.

The emergence of the Magdalen laundries.

The horrors of the orphanages – violence, starvation, death and secret graves.

THE NEW IRELAND

A new Ireland has gradually emerged. The population as a whole are more educated.

The media has published the horrors of the past.

The Catholic Doctrines that defined and ran everyhing are now questioned and rejected.

The priest is no longer feared but rather suspected and even despised.

The Church’s wholesale hypocrisy is recognised.

It’s pious proclamations about giving to the poor are viewed alongside its massive wealth.

The people who once tried to control our sexuality are now seen as the most promiscuous and lecherous of all.

114 replies on “ITS ALL OVER FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN IRELAND.”

The Church won't be dominated any more by Catholic nonsense and Catholic clergy criminals and reprobates.says:

This is not a surprising revelation at all ! It has been on the cards for decades. What has catapulted it forward so fast is that the bishops and clergy have been found out ! Before, thanks to slow communications and a compliant press and establishment, they could get away with things. Especially abuse. But, once that cat was out of the bag, and a more educated population had access to more and more channels for information, and became less and less deferential, and began to think for themselves, they began to question. And then the tsunami of sexual abuse reality in our midst blew any respect, integrity truth and honesty for the Church and its clerical class right out of the water. One would have thought that, having been unveiled, bishops and clergy would have learned a lesson. But, no, they are so dim that they carried on with their usual ways, confident in their exceptionalism and lack of accountability – evidenced by the litany of characters who pop up on these pages. Yes, the RC Church as presently constructed is doomed. People will find another way to order and direct their lives and beliefs. But, it won’t be dominated any more by Catholic nonsense and Catholic clergy criminals and reprobates.

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Patsy, your depiction of the nun wearing the Holy Habit would be unrecognisable to the last few generations. They only know the ‘short back and sides brigade’, ultra feminists who have long forgotten the rule of their Order. It was very refreshing to see Dev. greeting the late great Dr. McQuaid properly, Ah! those halcyon day’s. Despite your evil wish The Church will never die “The gates of hell shall not prevail”.

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Would it be unreasonable to think that the writer at 12.56 leads a sheltered, maybe even reclusive life? Might one imagine him/her emerging occasionally into the real world to, on those occasions, have a look online? The completely out of touch nature of the comment @ 12.56 suggests this.

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Positive feedback to the radio show this morning from viewers inspired by Supervet Noel Fitzpatrick who revealed his journey back from childhood abuse spanning 5 years from age 5 to 10 at the hands of a farm employee. Feedback centred around the enforcement of silence and threats on the abused by their abusers.

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Howling that you deny being reclusive or sheltered while also wanting nothing to do with the real world. 😂

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9.41 As a victim of church related abuse & being supported by Bishop Pat, I am finding Noels book inspirational. An excellent contribution to this canon of writing.

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Indeed good riddance to these crooks and criminals international, all that’s left to do is settle their bills with their victims & piss off. The big fat scam they’ve been operating for so long deserves to be blown right out of the waters worldwide.

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Brazen as brass clergy and their cohorts are holding onto their ill gotten gains with an iron grip for as long as they can. Birds of a feather flock together and it’ll do for their day is the attitude of all these desk priests & business manager type clergy with minimal exposure to the coalface of down and durty day to day realities of parish duties.

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10.42 true, deviant priests just hide away for a while & then they pop out again in a new location like a big fat boil.

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So many victims.
The obvious victims, those who bought in from the pews and never lived life fully, those who rightly were suspicious and were outcast and those who couldn’t cope and turned to death & addiction. Layer upon layer of tragedy and trauma where those buying in to the system neither knew we were being conned or, in turn, conning others to buy in.

For my part I apologise. May God have mercy on me for I did not know what I was doing.

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You are worthy of the Feast of All the Saints with this sentiment which I know to be shared by certain priests still in post and a decent bishop.

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‘We must recognise that the RCC filled important roles in the early Ireland when it came to health, education and social care.
‘At the time the gornments did not have the resources to deal with all these needs and were quite happy for the Church, with all its resources, wealth and free labour to fill these gaps.’
I’m sorry but this is nonsense. That is nonsense is shown by asking where the church’s riches came from. If it hadn’t been bending the knee the government could and should have taxed the church and given the people a better quality of life that way.

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I believe I am. But I am also a strong man – and not afraid to enter the ring when required.

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Entering the ring is all very well- but deliberate cruelty and harassment such as is routinely ‘delivered’ via this blog? Does that seem like the work of a nice person?

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I’m hiding absolutely nothing- but I do believe you should look into your conscience a bit more closely and be guided by the values of Christ rather than by hatred and vengeance.

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12.08 Love your responses to this anonymous & cowardly sniper. Well done Bishop Pat!

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1.57 Adrian Taylor, with all due respect, how do we know that you aren’t making up a name?

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Hi Pat. I’ve just noticed that one of the 7 UK Immigrant Removal Centres is very close to you – part of the Larne PSNI complex at 2 Hope Street. It is effectively a prison for people waiting to be deported. Do you have any experience with this place?

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It’s 3 minutes walk from me. I have visited there and was impressed by the cleanliness etc and a very good menu offering halal and kosher alternatives.

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I was too young to bother with the “contraception controversy” but the aggro which the Romans were piling on in England since the 1920s over their “confession sacrament” has proved – too late – to be counterproductive. Secular officials promulgated sex outside marriage (instead of leaving it up to individual discretion) because the Vatican (that had been the world’s conscience at one time) had already abolished prayer and belief, well before its flashy “aggiornamento” (which didn’t reform the ills of the church in Ireland).

God didn’t intend marriage to be a religious matter ever, or “communion” to exist beyond 130 AD, but He did intend prayer and belief to remain after 1946. It’s not good enough for RCC authorities to say we can take it or leave it: they have to acknowledge they undermined the world by their overblown but unmeant spiritual claims.

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As much as I’d like to think it’s on its way out Pat,I don’t think it is.
As long as they retain their multi billion property empire,their continuing influence in schools, hospitals and nursing homes,it’ll be a long time before the fat lady sings.
They’re doing some property deals around the country and the euros are making their way to Rome. Meanwhile the victims of their torture are whistling into the the wind.
Only when they look out at the pews to see them empty will they start to worry.
Meanwhile they can be assured of a cowardly, compliant government and lick arsing civil servants in their centrally heated offices .
Not much has changed since that picture of the foreigner kissing the ring of his protégé. The man whose name was redacted in investigations into child torture and rape. In every single institution where these perverted sadists operated. It was rampant.
The only difference is the passage of time where paddy doesn’t publicly bend the knee.
Leopards don’t change their spots.

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Is it the irish government or the bishops that are in charge of accord the marriage help group?
The bishop that did control it said he would not bless a gay marriage as it would imply he agreed with gay marriage.
But the irish tax paper funds a lot of money to this agency each year and they now help gay marriages that need help. Does this mean that the bishops gave up control of accord.?

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What a nasty article with the usual ol anti catholic tropes. Ironically it represents very well the views of liberal lefty Irish media .

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RCC still lingers on especially in education. PPs still control schools. Sacraments celebrated in school time.. I wonder will Bishop Fintan make an apology to parishioners of Shannon parish for the lecherous behaviour of pp Arnold Rosney as exposed on this blog? If he doesn’t its two fingers to you Bishop Pat and the good people of Shannon, the women he ‘bedded’ and their husbands and families. If they do a happy clappy double double act. ala +eamonn casey/michael cleary.. well we see how that worked out.. so will we get acknowledgement of the elephant in the chuch tonight ..some honesty or denial and further dying away of ‘official’ faith life in Shannon parish/ Killaloe Diocese.. over to you Bishop Fintan..

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12.23 Fintan stuck his 2 fingers up at the parishioners of Shannon this week when he had Fr Randy Rosney featured in a half page spread advertising the Shannon Novena. Do not underestimate the arrogance of Fintan Monahan and his army in Killaloe Diocese. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

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12.23 Further details on Fr Arnie’s non ecclesiastical activities will be forthcoming. Watch this space.

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1.05
While we celebrate his birth in November we have no idea at what time of year that was. We don’t even know the year.

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Bishop Ray Browne apologies for remarks of Fr Sean Sheehy who says sexual sin was rampant, adding that sex between two men and two women was a sin.

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Was it necessary for Ray to apologise? Our brother’s nephew has a boyfriend. I do not judge them. If people have an opinion that they disagree with non-heterosexual relations, they should be allowed to respectfully express their opinion.
May the non-LGBT+ community and the LGBT+ community live in peace. ☮️🌈🙏
Pax

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I find it astonishing that a bishop felt he had to apologise for a priest who was doing what he was ordained for preaching the Gospel. It is seldom or never we hear a homily on sin or sex these days. It seems to be a case of “anything goes”. No doubt it is difficult for priests if they don’t practise what they preach. Fair play to Fr Sheehy for having the courage of his convictions knowing that he would be slated for it. I doubt if he had expected his bishop to disagree with him

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5.30
What has his having been ordained to preach the Gospel to do with his current outburst which could not be a less evangelical act?

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Reply to: Kerry Bishop apologies for priests controversial sermon in Lisowelsays:
Nov 1, 2022 at 1:59 pm
Although I may not agree with Fr Sean Sheehy, have I being for what seems like forever, misinterpreting Roman Catholic teaching on sexual sin?
We may and, do change in our opinion on what is seen as sexual sin, surely not the Roman Catholic church.
Compassion for all is it’s manta presently, and rightly so, but, changing it’s stance on what is not sin anymore, is maybe step too far.
Does the Roman Catholic church teaching also change with the tide, as public opinion ebbs and flows? Surely it’s either a boy or a girl. (Oops! Can’t say that anymore.)
We may not like, or, agree with Catholicism on what is seen as sin, so why is this Roman Catholic priest’s preaching Catholic theology so wrong? Am I missing something?

Are Roman Catholics all so woke, so sensitive now, that pointing out what is sin according to Catholic doctrine is too hard to bear or hear?

For example; Although contraception is used by millions of Roman Catholic women worldwide, the Roman Catholic church remains resolute in it’s teaching on that subject, irrespective of what women think of it. Is that not to be preached on either?

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Much of this narrative has been written before. Since before the unceptiin of the state the Church provided much needed services and undoubtedly brought with it a very victorian set of values, though with some exceptions: Nano Nagle, Mother McCauley and Ignatius Rice..Their idealism for health, social outreach and education are well documented and admired. What happened in their history at times was brutal, regrettably. When we analyse the Church today we are comparing a once dominant institution with unquestioned responsibilities for huge areas of what a state government ought to have provided but the organisation, connections and commitment of various religious orders ensured all kinds of services. The reality for the Church today is very different. All has changed, almost irrevocably. I believe we must now have a complete separation of state and church. The church, as Pope Emeritus Benedict said, will become “a remnant church”….It’s happening and the covid pandemic has accentuated the move to this new reality. The various initiatives taken by Dioceses are “bandaging the wounds” and these self inflicted wounds are deep, even unhealable. Until the Church under Pope Francis embraces the abused/survivors and brings a full justice to all who are still hurt and broken, we will never have credibility again as representatives of Christ. While the men on the ground are generally doing their best, it’s the leadership from on high which will effect greater change and some goodwill. Our world is very fractured through war, hatred, entities, famine, greed, political corruption, church scandals and climate change that we are all brought to an awareness of what really is important in life. Part of this reflectiveness defines the Church and religions in general and extreme politics as very negative powers in the world. We are rebelling against abuses, corruption, cover ups, dishonesty, lack of care, justice and compassion for the poor and disenfranchised. The church while doing much good for the poor, has been, by its own behaviour, relegated to the margins.

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Reply to;Anonymoussays:
Nov 1, 2022 at 2:17 pm
They won’t. Maybe they will all have to move near the Oratory Larne.

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You wish. “God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves?”
Who said that and is he dead?

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3.31: I agree QQ.. An excellent homily. No equivocation about the moral teaching of the Church. What a courageous man.

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….and I wonder what this priest who is preaching is up to when he’s not going off on one about this stuff ? I think he’s opened himself up to a little bit of digging. He’s made himself fair game. Let’s see what emerges, shall we ?!

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Fr Sheehy (the priest in the video) is a retired priest of the US diocese of Baton Rouge, who supplies in Kerry diocese, where he now lives. After being slapped down by Bishop Browne for preaching what’s in the catechism, he should decline to do any more supply work.

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Did he mention the mortal sin of child sexual abuse and the mortal sin of cover up and the indirect murder of the victims where such action led to their suicide.

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Rcc is falling but hadn’t reached the bottom yet. Its a matter of when it reached the bottom, 50 years from now or a thousand years time.
Realised something was wrong with rcc was this – Vincentian priest broke the seal of confession when I was a teen.
A CBS who was then a superior that time, he wasn’t mightly pleased when my late parents reported a certain EX cbs (alive) to him re abuse. He made a u turn when he treated me quite the opposite.That same cbs guy who belted up a certain Kevin Sharky in Galway.
Ryan report who opened my eyes a lot further re depth and width of long history of ex schools. 1st ex school on way to be demolished as spanking apartments are being built there. Nuns sold the land for millions way back.
I often wondered why did mc quaid built that school, was it because he heard the abuses from the nuns? Nuns lost out in court case some 50 years later against Cabra cos they didn’t want to close it down. (numbers were falling as parents opting for cabra schools (2) or mainstream school near their homes).
2nd ex school now converted into deaf village which I haven’t visited there since left school. Its the Archbishop of Dublin who owns it the whole lot. – Fact. We don’t have any say in all of this. Any money spent there goes into their pockets.
John gillespie book opened my eyes further re spiritual aspect of it. More questions than answers.
Diocese of Meath financial accounts online which I was quite stunned to see the figures.
Briefly, €1.3 or 1.4M in bank along with €7M or more stacked away in investments.. That’s almost 9m or more minimum in total. Still they want to continue their cash collection on weekly Sundays.
Here :
https://www.dioceseofmeath.ie/financial-statements

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I totally agree. He has had lots of posts asking him to write less. He is in danger of revealing his identity with some of his posts. He is more to be pitied than scorned. Please take a rest from blogging. I think you are ill. You have written some good posts in the past
Pax
Garngad Lad

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4.36: You are rught QQ.. Deaf Guy is way off script and repeating information told so often. He needs a sabattical from this blog!! And we need his silence!!

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Qq at 4.36pm
1st para refers to rcc falling but not reached the bottom yet.
2nd para re realised (starting point of when I saw something wrong with rcc).
3rd para where a superior of CBS school for deaf boys took a very deep dislike to me cos I reported it to my parents for the first time. I had no choice but to report. He took very deep loathing when I turned up in his presence here and then. I didn’t understand it as I found out some 30 to 40 years later that he was sleeping next door to sex abuser who ended up in court and sentenced.
4th para refers to Ryan report to both schools that I attended. There were 3 deaf schools named in Ryan report (2 schools for deaf boys and 1 school for deaf girls). That report made me realise there was so much going on behind the scenes that I should have seen it or scene alluded or pointed to later abuses.
5th para refers to reasons as to they set it up 1st school due to their possible knowledge that cabra was the site for abusers. I have 2 stories that nuns told my mother but she didn’t get it cos they were holy,not possible etc. Now I get it.
7th para John gillespie book helped me to understand if you want your prayers answered not all of them, thus less problems that was what rcc never preached about this. They were only interested in adulation, back slapping, (extreme secrecy which benefits them, not ours) and of course, money.
Last para refers to money, their obsession with cash cos it can be taken off the books (cook the jar meaning in accounting world) and example of this is diocese of Meath financial accounts. They want you to cough up your cash to them without any accountability in return, no standards, no fiscal responsibility when it comes to the’ crunch’.
Finally, you can Google it re Ryan report as God gave you your two hands to use it.

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Blessed are those who are denied letters of good standing because of righteousness, for they will see God.
Blessed are those who are excommunicated from the Catholic Institution because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

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7.46: Isn’t Seamus very clever at paraphrasing the gospel? Bet you haven’t gone to the Bishop’s door yet to face him down re: Dom Benedict..

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Anon at 8.52pm
Listen to WHAT? You haven’t been quite clear on this. 🤷‍♀️.
If you are a priest or Bishop or monsignor, will ya report Bishop of meath to the Vatican for his vicious treatment meted out to DBA??
I think NOT bec of € 9m in their bank accounts all in the name of charity and tax free status.
Same thing applies to all dioceses in Ireland.
Someone was telling me that there was a cash collection today in one church, feast of all saints day. They had one yesterday and now today which was bit unusual I think.
Sabbatical as I might consider it 😜. Nice break would do me nicely re switch off.

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I know a deaf man whose mother deliberately avoided sending him to an place like St Joseph’s school for the deaf where he would be institutionalised in a way. Sent instead to a small private school somewhere on the northside where he got an enviable education. Sometimes people didn’t quite put it into words why they didn’t do this or that.

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Amazed that The Furrow is still published. It cannot make any money and was subdised by Maynooth as a sort of hobby of Ronan Drury.

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7.23: Do you, Pat, have fear of God??? Just wondering….since you present as the perfect disciple..

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Yes, but…..what this idiot priest was saying is actual Roman Catholic teaching. There is no getting away from that. I don’t at all condone what he said or how he said it or where he said it. I’m encouraged that some parishioners seem to have challenged him by heckling and walking out. I’m encouraged that the Bishop of Kerry has apologises and knows that this is not how the Christian Gospel should be communicated. But….if you check through the Catechism of the Catholic Church you will find that this priest is simply repeating what is there. Somethings is drastically out of order here, and things don’t match up. The RCC has got itself in to a real pickle.

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Shannon mission a bit of a charade tonight. Hard to listen to Bishop Fintan talking about the lives of the saints with Fr. Arnold strutting his stuff around the church.Trying to shout down the poor cantor..have enough of it all. All v disillusioning..

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9.21 If Fitzgerald was booted out of Cloughleigh for being a womaniser then why isn’t Rosney given the same treatment? Does Fintan need a woman to come forward and complain before he takes action? Where is Cleo Yates in all this? She has been informed of what is going on. Meanwhile my friend Shane McAuliffe is getting nasty messages from diehard Cathbots on Twitter for posting that video of the priest in Kerry. Feck all!

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@ 9:34pm

Your friend McAuliffe shouldn’t be ‘shocked ‘ that he is getting nasty messages from Catholics who are outraged that the useless bollox Browne has the audacity to apologies for a priest preaching the constant teaching of The Church. Browne has to go he’s worse than Lugs,Fintan and Dermo and the rest of the woke gobshites in the Hierarchy. God bless this excellent priest.

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9.34 Define “booted out”?? Fr Fitzgerald’ & Fr Carey are still very much within the fold. Fr Rosney & the rest of the reprobate clergy in Killaloe & their cohorts have good reason to hold no fear or remorse. They all in it together in the Killaloe slurry tank.

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10.31. Ridiculous! What parish is Fr Ger and Fr Carey ministering in?……Ah yes, both are out of ministry and your adhoc definition of them being “very much within the fold” means they are excluded from all church activity with very little backing from brother clergy. They are indeed “booted out” as they are not “in”

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+Pat I don’t think you have it quite right. While Ireland was world leading (but not vastly so) in the rate it looked up poor people in homes of various sorts on many pretexts from mental health to having a child out of wedlock or just being a poor boy or girl, the lurid claims of murder or deliberate starvation that falsifier Catherine Corless shamelessly spread and only insincerely withdrew were just false. She took the marasmus cause of death as meaning the baby starved when it meant so such thing. Ultimately the ultimate fault is not the managers of backwardly and poorly run children’s homes that Fr Edward J Flanagan of Boys Town castigated when he returned to the US in the early 50s, but our useless political class who ruled since independence. 10,000 homeless is now the latest result of their failures.
Dev himself for his faults was a master at dealing with bishops, outward deference but conceding little enough for a crew who let themselves be lobbyists for the IMO, altho their interventions meant health services for young mothers were not as well designed as they could be.

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@ 10:52pm
You’re ridiculous, where did I mention the degenerates Fitzgerald or Carey and I certainly never mentioned them being “very much within the fold” As far as I’m concerned those two should have been dismissed from The Sacred Priesthood long ago.

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Now that wee Joe, the consigliere has departed these shores, who will bishop bling get to order his expensive wines?

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Pat, you mentioned Kosher items on the menu at the asylum-seekers center near you. it’s hard to believe that Jewish Asylum seekers haven’t been taken directly to Israel. Are they from Ukraine or Ethiopia? I suppose the Kosher items could be for staff. I’m seriously intrigued by this. Do you have an explanation?

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