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PRIEST CASTIGATED FOR PREACHING RCC BELIEFS.

FROM IRISH TIMES

“The Bishop of Kerry Dr Ray Browne on Tuesday apologised over a controversial homily delivered to parishioners in Listowel on Sunday, saying the views expressed were not representative of Christianity.

Bishop Browne, in a statement posted on the diocesan website, said he was aware of “the deep upset and hurt” caused. He apologised to all who were offended.

“The views expressed do not represent the Christian position. The homily at a regular weekend parish Mass is not appropriate for such issues to be spoken of in such terms. I regret that this has occurred while a parish pilgrimage to the Holy Land is taking place,” the bishop said, in an apparent reference to the fact that the parish priest, Canon Declan O’Connor, is away on pilgrimage.

The controversial homily was delivered by retired priest Fr Seán Sheehy at the 11.30am Mass on Sunday. Locals said there had also been a similar homily, though not as forceful, by Fr Sheehy at the Saturday vigil Mass”.

PRIEST PREVIOUSLY SUPPORTED SEX OFFENDEE IN COURT

From The Kerryman

“Father Sean Sheehy was born in Listowel, has spent most of his ministry in the United States. He is a lifelong friend of the Foley family and has known Danny Foley since the Listowel bouncer was 15 years of age.

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Residents who spoke to The Kerryman were unwilling to go on the record about their controversial former priest but several expressed anger at his actions in Tralee Circuit Court where he gave evidence as a character witness for Foley, describing him as ‘a man with the highest respect for women and someone who does not have an abusive bone in his body’

Despite the anger there was also some sympathy for the priest who was praised especially for his involvement in community groups, charities and the GAA.Danny Foley, 35, of Meen, outside Listowel, was convicted on December 4 at Tralee Circuit Criminal Court — after a unanimous verdict from a jury of 10 men and two women — of sexually assaulting a 22-year-old female on the morning of June 16, 2008, in a car park at the back of Mermaids night club”.

PAT SAYS

Ray Browne has apologised for the words spoken by Sean Sheehy as Mass in Listowel!

But Father Sheehy was only proclaiming the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

And he was proclaiming those teachings during his homily at Mass – the exact place his Church requires him to do so.

Ray Browne says that Father Sheehy’s views were ” not representative of Christianity”.

And that is true. Father Sheehy’s views do not represent my views as a Christian, a priest and a bishop.

But Ray Browne and Sean Sheehy are not merely “Christians”. They are Christians of the Roman Catholic variety.

If Sheehy is preaching RCC doctrine at Mass how can he be in the wrong and why does the bishop have to apologise for Sheehy doing the right thing?

And in apologising for Sheehy is Browne not also apologising for RCC teaching and saying that RCC teaching in not representative of Christianity?

And if that’s the case what is Browne doing as RCC Bishop of Kerry?

Or is Browne simply concerned about the OPTICS and his COLLECTIONS,?

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Why does Sheehy condemn two people living together in a committed loving relationship and yet offer supportive evidence in court for a man who sexually assaulted a woman in a car park?

Me thinks that Browne, Sheehy and the RCC in general need to get their act together.

194 replies on “PRIEST CASTIGATED FOR PREACHING RCC BELIEFS.”

And there we see it. The Bishop sees no issue with two men coupling… so they can leave Maynooth carry on.
… disclaimer, I agree with +Pat on these issues but prefer to minister with a lower profile.

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It has to be one of the more surreal things in these mad times where someone can now get two years of jail for cutting too much turf. His words are just bog standard Catholic teaching, honestly bog standard Christianity as always understood. Now Francis is trying to complete the transition of the Roman Church to Chicom funded leftwing NGO. He probably will fail as he’s a crook and an incompetent. Most bishops ignored Traditionis Custodis or his plastic bag nonsense. His thing for kissing the feet of black men has been noticed and makes him and his crew a further object of scorn. Worst now is his efforts to save Putin while Russia is in headlong retreat in Ukraine. He’s now mainly seen as a Putin stooge by many following the war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nw79yHsQBc

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11.38
Your own Latin leaves something to be desired.
Your summary of Francis’ position on Russia’s agression towards Ukraine is so far from the truth as to be risible.

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Gen sing instead of nom pl, it matters little enough. TC is still foolish bullying, but it won’t be a long term concern. It is a radical position (sole expression of the Roman Rite which contradicts all Popes post V2 who readily granted old Mass faculties) which is factual for Europe when Catholicism has vanished except among migrants and the old) Z Francis and his pandering to Putin and Kirill won’t matter too much (it is factual that he puts the invader and defender on the same level and calls for a dishonourable peace leaving FSB goons in situ in Donestsk and Luhansk no one cares when he says, and UA killed 10k orcs last month and a winner doesn’t need to surrender to the failed state of Ruzzia), as the reputation of the Church is about as low as it could be and the Greek Catholics in Lviv (inc SSJK) pay him no heed, perhaps expecting to see him kiss Putin’s feet on TV. Putin and Kirill won’t matter soon either given the losses of life. Francis himself could as easily be found in a lift with male prostitute like his pal Mgsr Ricca (source of ‘who am I to judge?’) and most be indifferent and the remain few who care would shake their heads in disgust, but probably won’t care either. If it was a youth, that would be covered up while Francis remains of partial use to big business. I mean Francis restored the faculties of a convicted paedophile, Mauro Inzoli, at the instance of the now retired perv Coccopalmiero, and Inzoli went on to abuse even more boys. Francis is basically the perv Pope, a second Julius III (who made a catamite a Cardinal and said catamite Innocenzo became a prodigious and new source of scandal when older). Shrugs shoulders.

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10.29
If you look more closely at 9.59 you’ll see the she or he is referring to the calibre of what is written and not of the writer.

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10:29 It’s impossible to argue against garbled nonsense. But then you wouldn’t understand that, would you.

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You do sound upset. Z Pope Francis supports paedo Putin. He puts the offender (Ruzzia) on the same level as the victim. Ukrainians notice it. It’s all good for Francis as it weakens Greek Rite Catholics whom he scorns (see dealings with Kirill / Michaylov or Albanese Eparchy where Latin celibates with no Greek were appointed when Greek speaking married men were traditional etc.) His Russia policy is of a piece with his deliberate patronage of abusers where with the Grassi and Inzoli cases he expended extraordinary efforts to facilitate two pederasts. Later on it was mostly pals who abused seminarians. Francis is their friend too. Writing against abusers and their facilitators offends you. That’s says more about you. You need prayer.

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Both the Bishop and the Priest are partially right.There are ways of getting your message across without being harsh or offensive. Jesus is a master at getting his message across.

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10.14
Yes. It is in the interest of every member of the church that the church’s teaching on sexuality is affirmative, inspiring and life-giving.

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10:45 I’m not a gambling man but I would bet money you’ve never had heterosexual sex. 😳

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There isn’t rhyme or reason to these two faced Kerry Catlicks. Shame on Fr Sheehy for abusing his privilege as a priest in defence of his family friend convicted of sexually assaulting a female but at the same time choosing to use his privilege on the pulpit to condemn same sex unions.

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12.00 exactly, more faces than a 50p piece. What’s the update on Fr King Puck Jones?

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Sheehys tone is harsh and hard on the ear – he has that classic malady of ‘pissed off on the altar’ and there is a malevolence and undercurrent of threat and bullying in his homily which is a moral and not grace message.

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I agree. His homily, stylistically, is more a harangue.
I pity any gay kid in that congregation listening to such an aggressive, angry delivery.

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The whole farce is that every cleric is gay but there are few gay parishoners, because of the anti-gay teachings, which the priests obviously ignore and actively break. Clearly the Church is very welcoming to gay clergy and sems, but not to gay laypeople.

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Hello Pat,
you said ”But Father Sheehy was only proclaiming the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.”
You are being harsh. The bishop did the correct thing. If he hadn’t criticized Sheedy then you would blame him for that too. The bishop in this case is to be commended; he explicitly stated that Sheedy was wrong and kicked him off the team.
Apart from the Church there is a dark undercurrent of rapist protectors in Ireland, including politicians and the GAA. It is high time the courts in Ireland dispensed entirely with character references in serious cases like rape, they have no place at all. It is also not the first time that rapists in Kerry have been defended by ”pillars of the community”
https://www.thestory.ie/2009/12/17/sympathies-for-sex-offender-again/
Kerry is like the Alabama of Ireland -absolutely hopeless, voting in the likes of the Healy Raes. Killarney where they’ll charge you 15 euro for a coke and a sandwich before you walk 3 miles to get to the worst stadium in Ireland. Daithi O’Sea and the Rose of fcuking Tralee. Boring Gaelic football. If it wasn’t for the Skellings and the seaside I’d cut the place off and let it float away to the Azores. And then you have padres defending rapists. Absolutely appalling. Both the Church and the GAA should be banned utterly from giving character references. Horrible county.

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7.45 These “pillars of the community types” are the ones gaining from and blocking justice for their own ends. Your analysis of what goes on daily is spot on.

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100%. It’s appalling and very common in rural Ireland. The same gobshites involved in everything – Tidy Towns, RCC, GAA, County development plans – their noses are stuck in everything and will defend GAA players even if they commit genocide. Object to everything and asking people about their planning permission applications. Nasty bastards.

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Rome, and its followers like this Father, don’t know why what is bad is bad. Rome lost what good-ish influence it had had when it threw in “our” lot with the materialist, superficial, power grabbing system married to its double-edged spiritual claims. Hence sacraments lost all value culminating in the recent bad moves, and ordinary pew members were taught not to believe and not to pray. While “aggiornamento” passed the ills of Ireland by, and the nations’ youth got neglected. Hence this Father hasn’t any ideas how to help somebody else’s flock lead spiritual lives for one weekend.

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I think I read somewhere that this priest Sheehy had spent a good part of his priestly life in the USA. From my experience you will hear this kind of sermon and sentiments quite often and openly from the pulpit in US churches, even from bishops like Cordileone in San Francisco. Nobody bats an eyelid. Hard line, ultra orthodox, culture wars Catholicism is alive and kicking in the USA. Thankfully not here, and I admire and thank + Browne for his apology. I would have liked him, logically, to have gone one step further, and to have noted that the hurtful and hate laden words of Sheehy are given a modicum of legitimacy by the current teaching of the RCC as you find in the Catechism of the Church. And, then to go further and say what we all know, namely that these teachings need to be changed if the teaching of the RCC from its priests and pulpits is to be about love and respect for each person. The Church has got itself in to a very awkward, and contradictory, position. On the one hand it talks about love and respect, and on the other its teaching is full of moralistic and judgemental exclusion. I know in which way I want the balance to swing. But, there are many others, like Sheehy, who want it to go the other way. There is an existential struggle going on here.

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10.18
A good dictionary and thesaurus would be helpful for you to distinguish between making a judgement (a neutral act) and being judgemental (a negative attribute). Similarly with moral (positive) and moralising (negative). Then you would be less liable to make such foolish and untheological statements in public.

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Why would a denomination punish one of its ministers for preaching its own doctrine?
Those strange events would certainly be explained if the denomination was a criminal organization running a fake religion supported by dupes as a front.
That’s why they don’t believe their own ‘religion’ and ignore its teachings: the actual business is something else.

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Bishops and priesrs don’t believe any of it, generally. It’s just a job for them. Piety and devoltion are for lay people, who are laughed at behind their back by priests, as anyone who has spent time with priests will attest.

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10.21 Bishops & priests & their professional catlicks & spiteful begrudging foot soldiers are all most definitely deserving of being given the widest berth in the interests of personal peace of mind & general public safety.

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Two narratives running similtaneously here, and one is illogically being used to rubbish the other.
If Sheehy behaved questionably in providing character witness for a man who went on to be convicted of sexual assault on a woman, it does not call into question his homily, because the moral condemnations in it were not Sheehy’s own, but those of the Catholic Church he serves as a priest. Therefore, the account of Sheehy’s providing character witness should not have been included on this blog, since it may simply prejudice the homily.

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9.30
No need to worry about anything being prejudicial of Sean Sheehy’s screed – It wasn’t a homily. Its shortcomings speak for themselves.

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I think you will find ‘I was just carrying out orders’ is known as the Nuremberg defense and is no defense.

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So, following Christ is no defence?
True, ironically. Whi h is why so many of his followers were murdered.

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11:24 completely unironically compares Christ to Nazi generals.
You honestly couldn’t make it up when they unconsciously reveal their thoughts in a deliberate misreading of another comment. 😂

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1.42
Nonsense.
Your lack of comprehension is almost startling.
I don’t think I could make my point any simpler.
Off to the remedial table with you.

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The lengths that clergy & their members go to to evade justice know no bounds. Given the background and history of Roman Catholic Church it’s not appropriate for courts to entertain character references from clergy until they earn respect by totally addressing all current unresolved allegations against them. Fr Sean Sheehy obviously has zero respect for women & played his part in attempting to discredit the lady in the nightclub car park attacked by his family friends son but then able to use the altar to villify same sex couples. What about his Kerry colleague, King Puck, why don’t he address that from the altar or his pals connected to Abbot Rawhide Purcell.

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Brown is playing to the populist gallery.
What did Jesus say about seeking praise from men rather than from God? Something about already having their reward?

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10.39
Please tell me you’re trolling, because I don’t want to believe that anyone could be so obtuse.
Browne is not representing the teaching of the Church. He is teaching what the world wants to hear rather than what it needs to know. A tilt to populism.
I can’t make it any simpler than this.

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3.11
You are not a moral theologian or a moral philosopher. In determining the morality of an action,motivation is a critical issue. How would you have a cess to Browne’s motivation?

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6:10pm What’s Sean Jones’s motivation in appearing in a jockstrap on gay meetup sites?

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Fr Sheehy looks as if he’s not far off 80. Did he have an illustrious career as a schoolboy and seminarian? When he was growing up only the brightest in the diocesan colleges made it to Maynooth? Which seminary did he attend? He deserves a full profile.

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He didn’t go to Maynooth. He was ordained from All Shallows for the US Diocese of Baton Rouge. He is listed as a retired priest on the Baton Rouge website.

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10.32
His comments sound as if they have been lifted fromthe 1950s without having passed through the speaker’s brain. Did they not teach seminarians in All Hallows to use their powers of reason to evaluate what an earlier generation had handed on to them? One hopes his ministry in the US was more reflective.

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As a gay man, I have to tell you that for the most part we gays don’t care what the Church thinks about us ! People like Sheehy banging on, or even the bishop trying to be nice to us, is irrelevant to us today. We just go our own way, and if I want to dip in to the Church I will do so on my own terms, and not be dictated to by people like Sheehy. Life and society has moved on, and I have protections under the law in society and I am able to live my life openly and freely. People like Sheehy are not even gnat like irritants to me anymore. He’s just ignored and pitied. So, thanks for the kind words, + Browne, but I will plough my own furrow and you are just going to have to follow. Because I am not following you or the RCC.

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Except you are, because you’re busy trying to write a message to a bishop on the one internet site they all deny reading. 😂
This is the sheep for you, denial, delusion, stupidity, gaslighting and definitely following. Just like any other cult.

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The Roman Catholic Church has lost, amongst others, the gay community because of its negative and judgemental attitude to our community, as well as to other groups of people. Why would we bother with a Church that tells us that we are intrinsically disordered by nature, and our way of living and loving is sinful ? So, many of us have already shaken the dust from our feet. All that the RCC will have left to preach to in the future will be hard hearted, spiteful, judgemental, moralistic, and warped and wicked individuals who tell themselves that they have got it all right. Sheehy is one of those. The game is up. It’s just that the RCC hasn’t realised it yet.

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Especially when they happily facilitated kiddy fiddling for decades.
Now let’s hear them rant that this is anti- Catholic™️.

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1:40 They still do, eg Zanchetta, Inzoli, McCarrick, all facilitated by Bergoglio. Hurty words that enrage athiests and CINOs, on the other hand, attract swift and brutal exercise of episcopal power. I reported two priests to Armagh diocese and didn’t even get a reply.

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Gay sex is sinful. The male and female bodies were designed specifically for procreation. That Bishop Browne is a disgrace. Does he even know the catechism?

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@ 10:18am

Well why don’t you feck off then and take the gobshite Browne with you. God Bless Fr. Sheehy if only we had more like him, that useless woke so called bishop will be called to account for leading the faithful in his charge to perdition along with himself.

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2.08. Does the daylight hurt your eyes when you emerge from your cave? Or does it just affect your brain? Seems so.

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Many go further than just ignoring the RCC ‘s stance on sexuality.
They ignore it completely.
And increasingly, more are ignoring anything to do with any and all forms of religion. They find what is meaningful, be it spiritual or contentment, outwith the outlandish claims and strictures of religion.

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KK 3:04,
Contentment could be travelling over false ground? Getting caught up in consumerism and all sorts of promiscuity. As Fr. David has said previously; satan gives immediate benefit and answers fast but at a price.

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Seamusviii IF, yes IF, the claims of religion promise me an everlasting blissful afterlife, I’d really like to know more: to take advantage of such a generous offer.
So please offer me some sort of reliable proof:
1. That there is an afterlife.
2. That there is an all powerful Creator monitoring my bonus points versus my blemishes to determine my future admission to this blissful afterlife.
I look forward to evidence, from you, …..or anybody.

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Fr Sheehy is no longer permitted to say Mass. If only the bishops were so swift and decisive in dealing with the abusers, Grindr users, adulterers, flashers, kitchen tops and groomers among the clergy, who get rewarded with life-long MIA status, flats in London, and further studies in agreeable cities overseas.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/priest-to-be-taken-off-masses-after-kerry-bishops-rebuke-of-offending-homily-1386039.html

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Are you an MIA, by any chance? Browne has suspended his faculties. Fr Puck is unsuspended.

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Yes, interesting at how quick + Browne was to act in this case, but most bishops drag their feet about most clergy misbehaviour. Classic case recently with McAleer. And there will be many others. Bishops know what they are getting up to, but refuse to act. Out of what ? Clerical loyalty, fear, lack of courage, stupidity, connivance… ?

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One of the ladies who led the walkout is in her 80s. We can be sure that her children and grandchildren don’t attend Mass and that her great grandchildren are probably not even baptised.

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10.50
On the basis of your comments this morning, variations on a single theme, it’s fair to conclude you are doing your bit to stop people attending Mass. if your views are a product of your going to Mass, it’s a waste of your time. Find something to do on a Sunday morning you are passionate about. God wouldn’t begrudge you the time and would prefer that.

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@2:18. Is the sentiment shown in your comment a typical example of “Christian charity”?

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I am alone and scared, have you seen the rain, or heard it? So violent. Can you give me a shout out Bishop Pat, so I don’t feel so lonely

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11.20: Alan: these ling darker evenings are not good for anyone who is mentally or emotionally vulnerable. Do not despair. Please. If really in great distress talk to the Samaritans or a trusted friend. I found sitting still for some time, breathing slowly and reciting the Our Father over and over in my mind made a huge difference in my times of loneliness. Men are particularly slow to ask for and receive help. Go to your doctor if you are overwhelmed and perhaps seek out a counsellor. Do not let hope within you disappear. The Lord is my light and my help…a prayer I repeat at night frequently.. God bless you.

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Pat, you’re 100% right, Fr. Sheeshy was only preaching the teachings of the RCC and during his homily, the precise place that he is meant to do so. He wasn’t taking an agenda on to social media and damning everyone like a certain priest in D&C did. He said what he was meant to say and where he was meant to say it, I fail to see what the problem is.

What I do disagree with is the idea that what he is saying are facts, they aren’t. The RCC makes a major leap from objective truth exists, which it must do to make that statement, to what the RCC teaches are objective facts. That’s a major leap and an unsubstantiated one. Just because you can prove the existence of truth doesn’t mean you know much if anything of that truth. Those are still subjective beliefs.

Like yourself, I don’t believe in the teachings of Rome, well not a great many of them anyway. That means I’m not a Catholic and the church agrees with me. To be a Roman Catholic by their own rules means, you have to accept it all. You can’t cherry pick, Rome doesn’t allow that. So, I’m not a Catholic. I’m more than happy and comfortable with that because, God is bigger than any one denomination or religion.

All religions are founded by fallible human beings who experienced the Divine and experienced as much as a human can in this world of matter. That means, they were all looking at the same thing and describing their experience of it. A narrow and limited view of it that, only when pieced together like a jigsaw can the greater picture be observed. When they then add their own personal beliefs into that mix to suit a corrupt agenda like Rome does, problems start.

It’s like the Parable of the Blind Men and the Elephant, where a group of blind men who have never come across an elephant before and who learn and imagine what the elephant is like by touching it. Each blind man feels a different part of the elephant’s body, but only one part, such as the side or the tusk. They then describe the elephant based on their limited experience and their descriptions of the elephant are different from each other. In some versions, they come to suspect that the other person is dishonest and they come to blows. The moral of the parable is that humans have a tendency to claim absolute truth based on their limited, subjective experience as they ignore other people’s limited, subjective experiences which may be equally true.

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All religions are founded by fallible human beings,? I’ll tell Jesus, because he obviously doesn’t know as much as you.

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3:05 If you can say the NT refers to gay sex you’ve shown you know literally nothing about either subject.
Now you can make my evening perfect by telling us you’re a so called ‘trad’ because your grasp of history is at about the right level.

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Well, the New Testament does unequivocally say that gay sex is wrong, and that its practitioners cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Couldn’t be plainer.
So, if you have gay sex and don’t repent, know that there is a very serious consequence. It’s your call.

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3.05
You are confusing your categories.
The NT is silent on gay sexuality. Sexual orientation in the Bible is be an anachronism. Biblical writers knew nothing of orientation, only of acts. They assumed everyone was attracted only to the other sex.

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3.05.
Well here we go again. Back to selective use of much disputed no longer existent ancient texts of dubious origin regurgitated and massaged by acolytes according to their own perceptions.
Get a life: not a wishful ‘afterlife’.

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6.17
You nailed it!
The biblical writers were concerned only with homosexual acts, which they unequivocally condemn. We’re in agreement! And off to a harmonious start. But here’s the ‘but’: these writers weren’t interested in context; only in the act, and they condemn it in the strongest possible terms. The act is, therefore, intrinsically (by its very nature) wrong.
No one can say with certainty that the biblical writers did not know of homosexual orientation (in their own terms, of course), but it wouldn’t have mattered to them if they had: the homosexual act to them was wrong, in and of itself, whether committed in a loving, faithful, monogamous relationship, or in an orgy, or in anything in-between.

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5.54
The few biblical texts in question condemn same-sex actions by people they believed to be attracted only to the other sex. One can understand why they would do so.
However since that does not apply to people who are attracted only or mostly to their own sex, their condemnationsdo not apply.
To create a biblically-based ethic of same-sex relations it is necessary to look at other scriptural locations, such as, the golden rule, or Jesus’ summary of the Torah.

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How is it known that there was no knowledge of same-sex attraction then? Did they not deduce it from hearong about or witnessing homosexual behaviour?

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We are not sola scriptura Protestants so there is no point arguing about whether or not there are proof texts in the Bible.

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8.25
It’s likely they thought in terms of sexual attraction. However, since the concept of sexual orientation is normally considered to have emerged in the 1860’s, it’s safe to argue the writers of Late Antiquity had no awareness of this concept.

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8.28
We may not be sola scriptura devotees, but we are not nulla scriptura adherents. So it is significent that scripture has no direct teaching on sexual orientation.

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I think Sheehy needs to head back to Baton Rouge LA to the rural rednecks who lap up all this stuff. All Republicans, of course ! He’s been away so long that he does not realise that Ireland is another country these days, and we don’t subscribe to his ridiculous culture wars theology and morality.

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12.34 Leo Vardarkar don’t give a monkeys what Fr Sheehy thinks, 2 faced priests like Sheehy are so last century. Sheehy supports a rapist nightclub bouncer but has the arrogance to try & play God & discriminate against gay people. Could Bishop Browne not send Fr Sheehy back to Baton Rouge & send Fr Sean Puck Jones in his jock strap with him on same flight.

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Yet another wonderful address from Uncle Peterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX8giXaiG_U

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Sheehy has just said on RTE that homosexuality is a disability. I’m screaming at the radio here and I’m not even gay !

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Yeah hate speech is the norm.
Forced birth and child abuse, you name it, they’ll always choose the side of crime and violence. But are the first to make out they’re being ‘persecuted’.

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All homosexuals are going to hell – that’s why they make the most of being gay while alive – fair

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It is clear that Fr Sheehy has deep seated anger issues. There can be little or no other explanation for his outburst and his transference of his issues on to external issues and people. I would suggest that he goes for in-depth psychological help. It is so evident that when someone goes off like this the issue is not what they are using as a sounding board, it is something deep seated in them. I feel sorry for him, really. Must be a tortured soul. Basic Psychology 1.0

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3.08 places like Louisiana full of angry people. Sheehy obviously has plans to shake up Kerry!

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For God’s sake! I use to love the Fire and Brimstone sermons from the missionaries, when as a child, a mission arrived in town, people use to laugh and talk about it for yonks afterwards, those guys certainly made the locals sit up, it was better than the circus, and, better attended, the church would be thronged, it was a great highlight every few years, of course things were back to square one a week after they left, now it would appear Catholics are “frightened” when a priest tells them what is expected of them as Roman Catholics.

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Hey cathbots if you think homosexuals go to hell that means the priest celebrating mass and giving you communion also is.
Should you really be risking it?????
😂

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Homosexuality is not the issue. It is the adultery, the same as heterosexuals. However, promiscuity is more prevalent among homosexuals. At the end of the day, it is a matter for them. Just don’t ram it down our throats

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Hey, I know, I’m so horny and promiscuous. God gave me such a raging libido. Oh, and a bigus dickus. It’s all his fault. Don’t take it out on me ! Get over it. We are here, we f**k around, we enjoy life and we don’t believe in all that medieval crap about judgement seats and hell. So, let us enjoy ourselves, please, and stop spoiling the party. And, some of us are actually very kind, loving, gentle, generous and charitable. You really would want us by your side if you were in trouble. Trust me.

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@ 7:21pm

Never trust anyone who says ‘trust me’. It doesn’t matter that you don’t believe what you call medievil crap. The party will be over for you maybe sooner than you think, then you’ll know all about it when your arse is red raw sitting in hub of hell. So no we wouldn’t be by your side, trust me.🤣🤣

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My favourite thing about this blog is the way the faithful whinge that everyone hates them but then give a perfect demonstration of why in the comments.

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I can’t understand why people want to remain as Roman Catholics, but, only on their terms, following their own rules.
There are many Christian religions who allow all the lifestyles choices some people want, that Roman Catholic church doctrine forbids.
I think so few Catholics have any insight into their religion at all, and when a Roman Catholic priest comes along, telling them the rules of the club, they object to it.
You couldn’t make it up, could you?
I am astonished Father Sheedy has been ostracised by the Roman Catholic Bishop, I never thought in my lifetime I would see the day when a priest was forbidden from preaching on Roman Catholic beliefs, because Roman Catholic are upset.
What the hell is the world coming to?

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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.
Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

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4.04
Except that what Fr Sheehy said is not, as you claim, “the rules of the club.” Far from it. Inform yourself on the church’s moral position on sexuality. Fr Sheehy’s remarks are a crude caricature of that position.

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On the contrary, perhaps it is you who needs information on the Roman Catholic church’s teaching on sexuality.
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Nov 2, 2022 at 9:20 pm
Catholic Church and homosexuality
The Catechism devotes a separate section to homosexuality within its explanation of the sixth commandment. The Church distinguishes between “homosexual attractions”, which are not considered sinful, and “homosexual acts”, which are considered sinful. Like all heterosexual acts outside of marriage, homosexual acts are considered sins against this commandment.
The Catechism states that they “violate natural law, cannot bring forth life, and do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”
The Church teaches that a homosexual inclination is “objectively disordered” and can be a great trial for the person for whom the Church teaches must be “accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity … unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.”

The homosexual person is, according to the Church, “called to chastity”. They are instructed to practice the virtues of “self-mastery” that teaches “inner freedom” using the support of friends, prayer and grace found in the sacraments of the Church. These tools are meant to help the homosexually inclined person to “gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection”, which is a state to which all Christians are called.

On 26 August 2018, Pope Francis said in Ireland that homosexual people have existed throughout the entire history of Man. He teaches Catholic parents to talk with their homosexual children and that they are part of their families and should not be “thrown out” of the family.On 27 August 2018 a press statement by Pope Francis declared that homosexuality is not an illness.

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Just let you know that I’m taking sabbatical from this blog.
Im certain that some of you would be roaring. Good for you.
Let us bring back MC or bella😜

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You do need a rest. Come back refreshed in the new year. Back to your old self. Forget about MC and Bella. You are better than them.
Pax
Garngad Lad

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Garngad lad at 5.40pm
Thanks for your kind comments. 👍.
Anon at 6.24pm
Really? I didn’t notice it. Its hilarious🤣.
Until midnight re comment then I take a break for couple of months.

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I have it on unquestionable authority, DG, that MC has never been away, you know. In fact, I can tell you as well that he disclosed his full name on the blog, but no one seemed to notice.

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This priest today on both News at One and Liveline displayed a mist hateful intolerance of everyone, even those interviewing him. His shouting down of everyone was embarrassing and wilfully ignorant. Having wirked in the USA for some years he has obviously sided with a particular brand of Catholicism. He is within his rights to state hus beliefs in and support of the Church’s moral teachings. His style of aggressive presentation of these teachings are so hurtful, judgmental and very harsh. I know our “catholic” constituency by and large make up their own minds today. Some may want the moral teachings and try to live by them, others choose differently. We are in a very changed Ireland than when this priest was ordained! His very black and white mind set is no longer a format to make assessments of people’s moral or spirutual lives. How he ruined the beautiful story of the table encounter between Zaccheus and Jesus!! None of us will effect a “metanoia” in another’s heart with this hard hearted, incompassionate approach. Fr. Sheehy will have some support but I suspect he won’t be allowed to officiate at public mass again.

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@ 5:24pm
Fr. Sheehy was showing charity in it’s true form by telling the truth. Some people don’t like it but it would have been uncharitable of him not to do so. He will be conscious that he will have to stand at The Judgement Seat and give an account of his priesthood. Browne will have to do the same the sentence will be very different, Fr. Sheehy’s will be Come ye Blessed Browne’s will be Depart ye cursed.

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At last we have an answer to Pat’s question as to why the bishops ignore and don’t act against the numerous clerical abusers, flashers, paedos, larcenists, Grindr and Sumnervof Love sems, merchants, adulterers, sauna-goers, Tardee-frequenters, underwear collectors, kitchen tops, cherry-poppers and “give it to me, Shane” Irish College students.
The answer bishops don’t think they are sins! The only sin is to say they are sins. If the civil law isn’t broken, who are we to judge? Move along, there’s nothing to see, just be careful, Father. That’s their approach.
The bishops privately don’t believe that any of these things are sins and haven’t done for decades. They long ago publicly stopped saying that they were sins. Now they are saying publicly that any priest who says these things are wrong must be shunned, suspended and denounced in a statement that would have made old school bishops like John Charles McQuaid blush.
So go ahead, Frs McCamley, McAleer, Coyle, McCann, Carey, Fitzgerald, Purcell, Rosney, McVeigh and all the rest of you. Fill your boots. But don’t, whatever you do, say that anything is a sin. If you do, all hell will break lose and your bishop will join in and lead the stoning of you

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The Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney has called for Fr. Seán to apologise. Simon Coveney should comment on Tom Deenihan’s mistreatment of Dom Benedict Andersen.
As I said yesterday, our brother’s nephew has a boyfriend. I do not judge them. We need to be careful with our language. At the same time, I see no reason for Fr. Seán to apologise.
Does Ray’s apology mean that he will be permitting same sex unions? Ray must clarify. He is sending out mixed signals otherwise.

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Well said. It is a massive mixed signal. Does the RCC condone same sex unions or not? In truth Sean is probably closest to RCC teachings and would be entitled to take Ray to Rome for how he responded. However, Sean might also be viewed as a spiteful man, inciting hatred against a group in society. It is a perfect example of two men who should have shut up. Their words have only damaged the RCC, although it may deserve to be damaged on this issue.

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Actually shutting up isn’t an option.
Either you believe the doctrine or you don’t.
If you don’t you have a duty to call out the hate-mongering doctrine and get out of there.
What kind of man represents a ‘religion’ claiming a whole section of humanity are intrinsically disordered by a sexual behaviour found in multiple animal species?

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@6.34
You tell me what kind of man represents that religion;
A) the priest who represents the religion as stated in its teachings, or
B) the bishop who appears unaware of the teachings of the church he is a bishop in?
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6.56
If you are a priest, HG you evince an incredibly inadequate grasp of church teaching. How did you get through?

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@7.40
Go on, enlighten me with your grasp of church teachings? Because technically Sheehy was right insofar as the church teaches that gay sex and recreational sex is a mortal sin and therefore those who engage in it are going to hell. Although most nowadays will step back from that teaching and say they are going to God’s mercy.
But in reality most people just disagree with that teaching and recognise that God created nature in all its variety and beauty… which is where Bishop Browne seems to have found himself.
Let me guess 7.40, you learned you theology in Maynooth where modern seminarians do not open the book known as The Catechism. Where it says love the homosexuals but not the act because the act puts people in mortal sin, and mortal sin puts them on the road to hell.
…disclaimer, again I do not agree with church teaching. Ironically, I agree with Ray Browne… on this issue but I still disagree with him ordaining an sexually active seminarian without a longer period of abstinence

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Coveney should apologise for the tens of thousabds of abortions that his party celebrates and rejoices in.

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Leo Varadkar ‘profoundly disagrees’ with Fr Seán. Social Protection Minister Heather Humphreys has condemned remarks by Fr Seán.
Fine Gael are an absolute disgrace. They chased the popular vote by bringing in abortion. Fine Gael lost 12 seats in the last election and only got 21% of the vote. Power sharing Fianna Fáil of all parties.
As the wise clergyman said; satan gives immediate benefit and answers fast but at a price.

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If the Catholic Church was a democracy I would vote for Sean Sheehy to be the Dean of Discipline in Maynooth… sort those horny feckers out…. but I wouldnt let him near the formation process as he’s clearly warped

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@6.35
How very Catholic of you..
@5.39
How ironic of you – but fair point if your logic were followed through

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Why can a priest be booted out of ministry for stepping out of doctrinal line, but not a bishop?

Ray Browne’s apology for Fr Sheehy’s proclaiming Church teaching in, of all places, a church, is effectively a denial of Church instruction on homosexual acts

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6.31
Except that what Sheehy said is not actually church teaching which is far more nuanced than his black and white preaching.

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I now don’t believe anyone who says they’re a Roman Catholic. Not one of them actually follows their sexual teaching, so if they say they do they’re either lying or so stupid they can’t see they’re deceiving themselves.

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I am surprised that the archbishop of waterford is not supporting the priest and all the other priests who are quick to condemn vulnerable people.
They have not gone away you know.

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Absolutely howling at all the suppressed gay clerics on here.
It’s alright, ‘father’, mummy guessed why you never met the right girl.

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@6.35
How very Catholic of you..
@5.39
How ironic of you – but fair point if your logic were followed through

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Maybe somebody from Baton Rouge LA will see this blog and will give us the low down on Sheehy. Because, as sure as my tea is in the oven, there will be low down on him. We just need to wait until it emerges. Then he can wind his neck in and settle back in to inactive retirement. He ain’t be going to say public mass in Ireland anymore. No bishop or priest will take the chance. Except maybe Phone !!

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7.17 Maybe Ray Browne will hand Fr Sheehy over to Armagh or Killaloe. Wonder what Sheehy would have to say about Fr Aidan McCann, McGinn or Carey, Fitzgerald & Fr Randy Rosney with his trail of married women in tow! Mind you he might approve of Rosney & Killaloe priests, it’s the gays he’s prejudiced against it seems. Has anyone checked his take on the swingers?

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Criticised Fr Sean Sheehy for testifying in court for his family friend, nightclub security guard, Danny Foley. Fr Sheehy also complained on radio that Foleys seven year sentence was “extremely harsh”. Fr Sheehy was one of 50 local Kerry men who shook hands and hugged the convicted sex offender Foley before he was brought to the dock. After a meeting with Bishop Bill Murphy, Fr Sean Sheehys offer to step down from parish work in Castlegregory was accepted on Friday 18th December 2009. Sheehy had previously ministered in internationally recognised Bible Belt territory in Baton Rouge, Louisana, USA.

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Foley was found unanimously found guilty of raping a young womanby peers. So perhaps 50 people in a rural town its not hard to find family that will stick with you, and make no mistake, they were his family members. And Sherhy with his outdated backward opinions. If there is a Hell he will find plenty of friends there.

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Fr. Sheehy is right in proclaiming the moral teachings of the church and in reflecting in the Gospel if last Sunday to encourage people to open their hearts to God’s mercy, to be aware of sins and return back to God. A general invitation of this kind would have been more fruitful rather than the gung ho, aggressive, almost mad shouting that occured. To compound his sheer arrogance, his interviews on Radio Programmes were car crash interviews. This man has no respect for others. His style of preaching is destructive. We’re he a retired priest in my parish, he’d never be allowed to say mass. Ever. I have no difficulty in his priclaiming the moral teachings of the church but the manner of doing so is totally unacceptable. We’re all aware of the shifting moral, religious, cultural and educational landscapes of Ireland and the Church is no longer the miral arbiter for people except thosevwho are devout and sincere Catholics. I know there are many peoole at church at weekends who do not subscribe to all, if any, of the Church’s moral teachings but yet are wonderfully kind Christ like people. I will always prefer the latter – those who are truly CHRISTIAN. Ultimately God is our judge and as St. Paul says, “..each of us will have to give an account of ourselves before God..”. This in itself is challenging without any priest shouting judgments from the altar, especially singling out the people he thinks are doomed! Conversion, turning back to God, being renewed in Christ and in God’s ways is a life long task.

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“My parish”, Padraig? How very clericalist of you. Just as well that female lay pastoral workers are replacing priests.

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8.45: I accept your correction of my using “my parsh”. I am the least clericalism of clerics you’ll find. I have always promoted the “priesthood” of the baptised people of God and seek always to recognise the many gifts in a community and encourage parishioners to participate in all ways possible. Apologies for a senior moment!

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I assume that Padraig is a priest. Without the concept of sin and redemption, Christianity is utterly pointless and the life and death of Jesus Christ is devoid of any significance or meaning to us. A priest, or, indeed, a bishop, who avoids the issue for fear of giving offence should find some other role in life.

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Pat an update for your from the Confederation of Benedictines
They are NOT allowed to communicate with anyone that has been excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church and if they do then they themselves will be excommunicated.
It is the Rule of The Holy Father Benedict.
Although some Abbots and Priors would like to however it is not worth the threat of being excommunicated.
In the case of Brendan he may not get a Diocese in the future as he is a career man.

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Somebody should do a spreadsheet setting out what Fr Sheehy said, compare it line by line with what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says, and establish whether he or Bishop Browne are right on whether or not what Fr Sheehy said is in accordance with the Church’s teaching.

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Today in YOU TUBE videos, the support for Fr. Sheehy is amazing. The new fundamentalism is the absolute intolerance of a secularist media. Joe Duffy’s handling of the issue today was appalling for its lack of his befuddled knowledge about the Catholic Church. The Kerry Radio interviewer was as ignorant and Anton Savage presented a woolly, do as you like form of Catholicism. While I wouldn’t support the manner of Fr. Sheehy’s expression of his beliefs, he is courageous in professing them unequivocally and for challenging the modernism of today, that of hypocritical politicians particularly.

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Bishop Browne has forgotten or is deliberately breaking the solemn promises that he made at his episcopal ordination.
Nine Promises: After the homily, the bishop-elect is asked nine questions to ascertain whether the candidate is 1) prepared to discharge this sacred duty until the end of his life, 2) remaining “faithful and constant” in proclaiming the Holy Gospel, 3) maintaining without change the “deposit of faith” that the apostles have passed along down through the ages, 4) to “build up the Church as the Body of Christ,” 5) to “remain united to it within the Order of Bishops under the authority of the successor of the Apostle Peter,” 6) to guide the People of God “as a devoted father,” 7) to “be welcoming and merciful to the poor,” 8) to “seek out the sheep who stray,” 9) and to pray unceasingly for the People of God.

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@ 9:59pm
He has to go and a soon as possible. Fr. Sheehy should be raised to the in his place so that Ireland has at least one Catholic Bishop that the Faithful can trust. I hate that ‘People of God’ thing, when did that start?

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Such a pity, Pat, that this priest seems to have a controversial approach. The blog would have much more instructive if the catechism’s sexual teaching was given quietly. Surely if a bishop objected to that, he could be taken for fraud?

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Sounds to me like this Roman Catholic priest Fr. Sheehy was being honest about the current teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.
It seems his bishop chose to be dishonest.

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10.32
Between the church’s position on sexuality and Rev Sheehy’s version of it there is a world of a difference. He needs to inform himself better.

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An Irish theologian has called on Bishop Ray Browne to publicly correct an “egregiously wrong” statement the prelate made about a controversial homily in Listowel, Co. Kerry.

Dr Tom Finegan of Mary Immaculate College in Thurles said that the bishop’s assertion that the views of Fr Seán Sheehy “do not represent the Christian position” is incorrect.

Retired priest Fr Sheehy continues to defend what he said regarding, sin, homosexuality, abortion and transgenderism during Mass in St Mary’s Church.

In a feature-length article in the Irish Catholic newspaper, Dr Finegan said the priest’s message was “essentially true” and that “Bishop Browne is wrong – egregiously wrong – when he bluntly asserts that Fr Sheehy’s statements ‘do not represent the Christian position’.

“Because his [Bishop Browne’s] assertion encourages presumption and discourages conformity to Christ, it is harmful to the eternal spiritual welfare of all who hear it. As a bishop he should publicly correct his remark for the sake of those with ears to hear.”

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