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WHY ARE WE IGNORING THE VAST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OBJECTIVE AND SUBJECTIVE MORALITY?

SHEEHY DISGRACES HIMSELF ON RTE LIVEINE

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/liveline/programmes/2022/1102/1332840-liveline-wednesday-2-november-2022//

The Kerry priest Sheehy is quite entitled to promote the OBJECTIVE teachings of his church but he is not entitled to judge people and the state of their souls.

Only GOD can judge the state of the soul of Leo Varadkar’s and whether or not Leo Varadkar will get to Heaven.

Fr Sheehy is certainly entitled to objectively judge people’s actions against the background of what he believes and teaches – even though many of us would disagree with him and his interpretations of both Scripture and doctrine.

But you step one step too far when you judge a person’s inner life and their liklihood of salvation.

And BEING GAY, like being heterosexual is not a sin.

Being gay is either the way you are born, or the result of some formative force – or a mixture of many things.

It’s like saying that being red-haired is a sin.

And Fr Sheehy is not, to my knowledge, privy to everything that goes on in the Varadkar household.

Maybe Leo and his partner exchange hugs? Hugs are not sins.

Or kisses? And kisses are not sins.

Why is it that so many of these “conservative,” Catholics and Christians seem to be totally focused on what gay people do with their bits and bobs.

As if life, gay or straight, was only about bits and bobs.

We have a sleeping life, an eating and drinking life, a working life, a hobbies life, a social etc.

I know many couples, straight and gay, who do not have a physical sexual side to their relationship but are bound together by bonds of love, friendship, ompanionship etc.

Would Sheehy say are living in sin and going to Hell?

The RCC has a hang up about sex and always have had that hang up.

Why is this Sheehy Sheehy just concentrating on sexual sins?

Is that his hang up to?

I’m sure there’s plenty of other sins going on in Kerry – thieving, fraud, tax evading, lies, perjury, jealousy, drunkenness, drug taking and dealing?

Why is Sheehy hung up on sex?

Is he sexually frustrated or in need of the odd viagra?

Has Sheehy ALWAYS been pure, chaste and continent?

His latest outbursts leaves him and his own life eligible for intense scrutiny!

108 replies on “WHY ARE WE IGNORING THE VAST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OBJECTIVE AND SUBJECTIVE MORALITY?”

‘The Kerry priest Sheehy is quite entitled to promote the OBJECTIVE teachings of his church but he is not entitled to judge people and the state of their souls.’
That moment when it takes an excommunicated bishop to say what the actual church teaching is.

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11.19 same as the rest of the clergy, no wonder RCC spend so much money training laity giving clergy more time for their boiler houses & swingers events or chasing married women in parishes. Also facilitating self interested volunteers with agendas to use the church as a front to further their own personal vendettas. Fr Sheehy is representative of these 2 faced dictator types.

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Fr She He, (oh the irony) was he born in Middle Sex? Me think the lady protests too much.
Catholicism has been obsessed with sex for two millennia – celibacy is repression, ergo Catholic priests are sexually repressed – Simple’s!!

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Go on Pat. Go on. Tell us your suspicions about Fr. Sheehy. You said none of us has the right to judge the inner soul of another! Really? You do it all the time on your blog. You fall for anything Pat. All “a la carte” for you. Your interpretation of scripture is subjectively suitable for your life style. Not everyone agrees with your interpretations or judgment of others. I admire Fr. Sheehy’s courage but not his manner of expressing those beliefs.

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@ 11:25pm

Well said, Fr. Sheehy say’s it as it is and doesn’t coat the pill. So all that crowd who for years have only heard the watered down message given out now by the useless clergy who want to be popular can’t cope with the truth.

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I am gay. I was discerning a vocation for many years with a religious congregation. I admire Fr. Sheehy’s courage, belief and motivation. He preaches what the Catholic Church believes. I don’t agree with these views. He says what is on the tin and what is in the tin.

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12:25 There is so much wrong in your comment that you can only be a troll.
For a start the gay culture is incompatible with the Catholic faith and homosexuals should not be admitted to seminary.
If your story is real (which I doubt) you are just the same as any other priest or religious on here with a double life

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🥱 Fr Sheehy is yet another media obsessed cleric. He’s a serious liability what between perjuring himself in court on behalf of his rapist pals in an attempt to violate the rights of the young female victim, discriminating against one of our most senior Irish politicians and undermining the seriousness of the Irish mother and baby homes scandal and its ongoing impact that the Irish Roman Catholic Church has quite deliberately chosen NOT to adequately redress. Modern Ireland is not Baton Rouge, Sheehy should leave & take his like minded clerics & members with him. They won’t be missed.

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Challenged Fr Sean Sheehys claim that the death of Savita Halappanavar was wrongfully used to legislate for abortion in Ireland.

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12.45 There you go, a priests “take” on the “truth”. What will Savita’s bereaved husband & family make of that. Priests twist everything to fit their own narrative. Disgraceful liars. How dare Fr Sheehy undermine what happened to Savita in the same way he went into a court of law to undermine the case of a young lady sexually assaulted by his family friend in a nightclub carpark in Kerry. Nasty clerical example of RCC he is.

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Dr Varadkar is too busy running the country in these very challenging times to be bothered about a hyper attention seeking cleric & if he runs it as well as the organised meals he showed us in his fridge for his husband & himself, there will no fear of us. Fr Sheehy is a dinosaur. He should have retired to Florida where the alligators would have welcomed him.

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12.57 why should Leo Varadkar or anyone that is committed to human rights & equality for ALL concern themselves with the opinion of cover up merchants such as Fr Sean Sheehy. The family & friends of the woman he attempted to demean and discredit in the court room on behalf of his cronies know exactly what a horrible and self entitled dictator that he is. Unlike other Irish Bishops who join forces with their deviant clerics and members to defame and discredit parishioners with valid complaints at least Bishop Browne has taken the first step in the right direction to part company with this prejudiced bigot for a priest in Kerry.

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Pat, I’m amazed that you, after your experiences with bishops, support the cancelling of Fr Sheehy. It is rare enough that a priest says what he believes. That takes authenticity of a kind that you and Fr Sheehy possess.
As he pointed out in his Radio Kerry interview, Fr Sheehy said he was not concerned by the bishop’s words, as “I know myself what I said cannot be disproven by any honest-to-God Catholic, Christian, or [by] Catholic teaching.”
“I think what’s he is doing basically is, he’s actually sacrificing the truth or he’s muzzling the truth in order to appease people because they don’t want to face reality that they need to face before they die, and that’s a given.”
During his radio interview, Fr Sheehy said the bishop “was totally wrong” and that “the poor man mustn’t even know the Catechism. He certainly doesn’t know the Scriptures, to make a statement like that.”
Fr Sheehy said that, instead, Browne was arguing from “his emotional side,” and that the bishop is “sacrificing the truth for the sake of appeasing people who do not want to come face to face with their sinfulness.”

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Tell us you’ve missed the whole point of what Pat says without saying you’ve missed the whole point of what Pat says…

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Pat, me and my life partner do not have sexual contact. It use to be a problem, but I love him so much and just love being in his company.

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Poor man needs help, living in the past world with not a notion of how to live in the real world.
I’ve just Prayed for Fr Sheehy 🙏, God does love a trier.

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“His latest outbursts leaves him and his own life eligible for intense scrutiny!” Absolutely ! Calling Baton Rouge LA. Tell us all you know about Sheehy. And + Pat will publish it here for us all to see. This arrogant man needs to be brought low so that he can start a new life in humility and with love and respect for other people. At present he is riding arrogantly high and presumes to pass judgment on people he knows little about. Watch this space !

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8.40: What do you mean by that (violent) ecpresdiin: “He needs to be brought low..”? Did the truth of Catholic moral teachings touch a raw nerve about your inner disposition? As you’ve made so vile a threat, perhaps you need to look at your conscience and own your vileness and sin!! Did you expect a Catholic priest to encourage your primuscuous, dangerous, selfish behaviour? Cop on.

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Wiping the floor with Sheehy will be a lesson to other self-righteous, judgemental and hateful clergy who think that they can bash others from the pulpit. Those days are over. If you do so, you will now find that the truth about you will be revealed. Free speech works both ways !

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@8.42 self righteous, judgemental and hateful clergy and their members use any avenue they can find to villify anyone they perceive to be a threat to their own undercover activities and self interests. Don’t imagine that it stops when you stop going to mass. More to follow after next meeting with working group.

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@ 8:42am
How do you know Fr. Sheehy hasn’t lead a blameless life, he has only preached what The Church has always taught. But you lot don’t want to hear, you can’t wait for him to be brought down. I sincerely hope you are all thwarted on that, and that this excellent priest is vindicated. The free speech you want is only if it agrees with your evil agenda, so it’s not free speech at all.!

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Does Leo V care about whether he will get to heaven or not ? Does he even believe in heaven ? I suspect not. Neither do I. More and more of us do not believe in the contrived Christian narrative and silliness that presumes to be truth. What happens after death and where we go will be nothing like people like Sheehy think it is. If there is a God, then what that God has in mind for us will be way beyond our imaginations. Actually, the reality is that there will be nothing. Death is death. There is nothing as dead as being dead. End. Finish. Move on.

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8.45 true, those types are control freaks who surround themselves with like minded laity & all with with zero respect for the basic human rights and dignity of others being particularly prone to victimising and abusing & taking advantage of anyone vulnerable whilst using the cover of the church to extract outward social respectability. Beneath contempt.

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I dropped an E in 1992 and as a result had the life changing experience of meeting God. As a result I can tell them that she really is not what that crowd think she is and boy, are they in for a surprise.

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@ 9:27am
The fact that you droped a E and had a junkie experience will be nothing like the reality when your time comes and you’re called to account. And Boy o Boy will you get a surprise.

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@5:13. And your evidence is?
Not your beliefs please, nor your hopes, ……..nor what you been told.
Just evidence please: hard facts to support them please.

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G. D. Surely you don’t expect any sensible response?
It’s always the same! When the gobshite godly gang are challenged to provide any, yes any evidence, all we get is silence, ….or at most, ad hominem attacks or references to their “Holy Bible.”
It really is a MYSTERY!

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I thought the best bit of reporting that I heard yesterday was on the radio. A woman, in. her 80s, being interviewed. She had walked out. She said that after listening to Sheehy for 10 minutes ranting on about sin, he then came on to having a go at the gays and the transgenders. She said that was it. Enough. “These are the people we love” she said. And she was not having him having a go at them. Good for her. Just shows you, the people of faith like her do not have hard hearts and are not self-righteously judgemental. That’s where the true Church is. Not with the likes of Sheehy.

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9.16
You should have said you were from the UK. There’s very little interest in the Tridentine form of the eucharistic rite this side of the Irish Sea.

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@ 10:06am

At her age she should know better, but she’s had years of listening to the watered down version of the Faith spoon fed for years by the useless liberal left wing gombeen clergy. Men with itching ears giving out a different doctrine to which they had received, let them be anathema! She’s also probably Ga! Ga! God help her.

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Aha! I see now you’ve provided a really lucid answer: FAITH!
And boy oh boy is that lucid!
Face up to it. Faith, in respect of religious aspiration is hope or expectation, with no evidential support, usually for some beneficial future advantage. It’s readily understood as an emotional attachment anchored in childhood indoctrination processes and perpetuated by societal psychological endorsement. But as for evidence or proof: Nada👺
Some of us grow up to understand a wee bit more about Santa 🎅, the tooth 🧚‍♀️

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8.45am
Why do dogmatic? You presume to inform us of the reality! The very dogmatism you despise you don’t hesitate to apply with liberal abandon.
No one has ever come back from the dead to tell us: no, wait Jesus of Nazareth has and I’d rather put my faith and trust in him.
He said;
‘I am the Resurrection and the Life whoever believe in me will never die’
Thats enough for me!!

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Catholic moral theology is a master of ambiguity and smoke and mirrors.
Condemning sexual sins of lay people turning a blind eye to clerical child rape – harshly judgemental in the bedroom staggeringly relaxed in the boardroom.
Moral theology is a disreputable science and my advice to a priest compelled to talk about sex – don’t.

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Isn’t this the carpenter’s son?
… entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.
Only God can judge the state of the soul of Leo Varadkar’s. Our northern brethren might advise people to catch themselves on. Our Scottish cousins might send them homewards tae think again.
Fr Seán cannot judge the state of the soul of Leo Varadkar. He can proverbially overturn tables however and give Leo Varadkar food for thought. I have spoken with men who have boyfriends. I do not judge them.
Man and woman coming together is the natural reproductive order. It should ok to say that, while being careful with language. The LGBT+ community were conceived through the natural reproductive order.

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I wonder, Sunday in and Sunday out, how many other sermons like that of Sheehy are given throughout the country, and don’t get reported on. People just sit and close their ears until it is over. One of the good things about the streaming of Masses and YouTube recordings is that these kinds of events are now more widely viewable and knowable. Priests need to be careful what they are saying and doing on the altar and from the pulpit. There is recorded evidence these days. It can come back and bite them in the arse. No harm in that ! It’s called accountability. Something they have avoided for too long.

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The whole point is that is that Fr Sheehy’s homily caused a stir because what he said is so rarely heard in Catholic Churches today. All we normally get are dull, pedestrian thoughts, poorly expressed. When they are not plagiarised from The Furrow or Peiests and People, they are bland affairs, often extemporised on the spot and inanely rehashing the readings we have just heard a minute before. The message is just “God loves everyone, be kind”.
In a way that sums up the whole law and the prophets, as Ledwith used to say, but if that is all we say and that is the extent of the acceptable preaching range, why bother with the vast expensive of years of seminary training and the ludicrous postgraduate study done by MIAs?
Might as well get a layperson to preach, or have a six-month seminary course, for all the learning evident in Irish homilies.

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In a recent document titled ‘You will be my Witnesses,’ Bishop Egan complains that the average weekly donation of parishoners is £2.60. That’s less than ‘the cost of a cappuccino.’

In the Daily Star someone commented that the Bishop shouldn’t complain during a cost of living crisis.

Priests should get secular jobs and live in the real world. Many priests, including Bishop Pat, are self sufficient.

Why give money?
– to train unsuitable seminarians like JP Lyttle
– to pay off abuse victims
– to heat the Bishop’s House while the cathedral heating is firmly switched off
– to provide priests with holidays to World Youth Day, Rome, Lourdes. They get away more than most people
– to employ Diocesan lay advisors

Don’t forget- the pennies of the poor built Portsmouth Cathedral. Funding built the rood, the marble baldacchino, the altar rails, the marble high Altar. All of it was smashed up at Vat II.

With Egan he’s lucky to get £2

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Judging by his comments I wouldn’t be surprised if he was one of the more bitchy, queeny clerical commenters here about vestments and CINOs.
That you, Siph?

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12.15pm

Interesting post and a subject dear to my heart:

A quick glimpse at Portsmouths accounts on the Charity Commission website would be revealing and exposing!

What was their Sunday Mass attendance pre Covid?

What is it post Covid?

What is their turnover? Deficit? Surplus? Reserve?

Bishops and the clerical caste are shite at fundraising and haven’t a clue.

I’m a grandparent and I have inculcated my children and in turn their children with the view that the child abuse scandal and it’s cover up plus a predominantly homosexual priesthood means their residue and disposable income should under any circumstancebe given to the RCC.

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Response to 12.15pm;
‘In our Diocese in 1960, some 70,000
people were attending Mass and
giving life and vibrancy to their
communities. By 2019, a year before
the covid-pandemic, this had halved
to 32,000, and the most recent Mass
count in 2021, albeit still in a time of
restriction, was recorded at 17,000. ‘
Is it any wonder when his Lordship locked down the churches? Why would people return? Mass obviously cannot be that important. In fact the way Egan celebrates his working relationship with the CofE Bishop of Portsmouth, why even be Catholic?
‘Our
Ten-Year Mission Plan seeks to revitalise our mission to meet the needs of our Church today.
We need to be bold, we need to be creative, and we need to consider how best to remodel our current
structure to meet our current needs and priorities. ‘
English translation;
We’re going to remodel by closing and merging churches. We will manage decline.
One priest of Portsmouth Diocese informed me that at the 2022 Clergy Conference all the plans were laid out for the next 10 years. Diocesan synodality, listening to the laity and discernment is all b shite. Egan knows what he is doing.

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Good old Vatican II:

‘In our Diocese in 1960, some 70,000
people were attending Mass and
giving life and vibrancy to their
communities. By 2019, a year before
the covid-pandemic, this had halved
to 32,000.”

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I do not think Vatican II is to blame. In Portsmouth Diocese the SSPX Portsmouth chapel had to close due to dwindling numbers. So did the Mass centre in nearby Oxford.
The LMS Winchester monthly Mass has ceased.
The SSPX school chapel in Burghclere gets about 100 on Sunday and the same for the Reading FSSP.
Despite being vocal on social media, the traddies do not make up vast congregations. They are hardly revitalising the Church.

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The SSPX may have closed some churches (there being already a TLM available in Oxford Oratory, for example, so no need to keep Oxford open) but they’ve opened others. They now have 26 locations in GB, where previously they had 25.

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…with just over 1000 attending SSPX chapels within the District. Not a very significant number in the grand scheme .

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Even to hold these beliefs sincerely, did he really think he was proposing them effectively to his listeners. Scolding and giving out is rarely if ever a constructive manner of communication. Perhaps he has never heard of the concept of captatio benevolentiae? It’s unlikely it would have made too much difference but it would have appeared as more of an effort rather than an instance of venting frustration which was the distinct impression I had.

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‘Scolding and giving out is rarely if ever a constructive manner of communication.’
And yet we extensively get these modes of communication from the faithful on here. But sure, the reason people don’t go to church is Vatican 2, covid, or some other shit (see the comments below 👇) 😂

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I think that preaching a homily in the liturgy might be different to commenting on a blog in terms of the tone and content expected. I agree though that many of the excuses offered for falling mass attendance are often laced with a lack of self-awareness. Perhaps what preaching and some belong comments have in common is that they both seem come from people living on other planets. 😋

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Not scolding and not giving out hasn’t filled the churches. For years now, bishops and priests have tried the simpering, hand-wringing, effeminate “Jesus loves you for a rainbow” approach, for all the good that’s done them.

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Father Sheehy ought to direct his anger against pope Razzi who holds the activites of the bouncer in the car park as not intrinsically disordered at all, at all. Codependency with a Holy Man is no excuse.
Talking of Bp Egan and Abp Nichols, do they hold forth about the intrinsic disorder of dodgy government contracts, very much?

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I agree closing churches through the pandemic was disastrous- imagine reading in history books that instead of being at the heart of peoples suffering and death the church literally shut their doors and pissed off!!
To hear Egan or Elsie sometimes begging mainly chastising people to return is both grubby and deluded.
They pissed off during Covid now the people are pissing off!!
It’s hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic – the optics are unrecoverable the damage has been done and the icing on the cake child abuse and institutional cover up!!
Well done lads – great job!!

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Sane with pubs and restaurants. Their staff were like little Hitlers during covid and now people don’t go near them. Their loss.

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Yeah the cathbots were very upset at a missed opportunity to kill even more people.

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4.47-They had no choice in the matter, where instructed to close by government, you’d need to get your facts in ordet🙄.

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Not necessarily so. I know of locations in Portsmouth Diocese where public Mass was offered throughout the lockdown.
Cardinal Nichols being dragged out of Westminster into the police panda car would have made headlines and been a source of evangelisation.
Were the mosques closed?

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9.34pm true, clergy definitely didn’t want to lose the income, they were quick off the mark to set up online payment systems, noticeably not quick to resume contact with housebound in some parishes.

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@ 5:58pm

Indeed Byrne that woke poly should have been belted withe the crozier long ago. Unfortunately there is no one to administer it as the hopeless Irish Hierarchy are actually worse than him, God help us.

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Apparently Fr Ryan McAleer is writing recently for the liberal leaning The Furrow. It may not be liberal enough for Ryan the Grindr and his strange pictures.

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This is laughable. Bishop Pat are there no measures can be taken to ensure institutions refuse Fr Ryan McAleer’s academic contributions, particularly as he is continuing to align himself closely to educational settings. It is also alarming that the RE department in one grammar school on the outskirts of Dungannon are joined at the hip to Ryan McAleer via links to Leuven and Maynooth universities. Can you possibly suggest what is going on here?

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The Bishop of Kerry thinks Ryan McAleer’s a great lad, unlike that awful Fr Sheehy.

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@ 9:51pm
The majority of priests are absolutely appalling period, not one of the useless ultra liberal gombeens are worthy to lace the shoes of this worthy priest Fr. Sheehy who preaches the constant teaching of The Church.

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10.17
God gave you reason. Don’t squander it by waiting to be told what’s right and what’s wrong.

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No, don’t bother with boring old Revelation and the magisterium. Just sit and think and come up with a moral stance that fits what you wanted to do in the first place.

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9.51: Tom Hazelwood does not speak for all priests. I understand that only about 1000 or less priests are members of ACP…They are a little helpful but the Bishops ignore them. As a priest, sometimes you have to seek professional care from outside the ranks. I believe Fr. Sheehy is a brave man. Almost every media outlet – bereft and devoid of any understanding of Catholic moral teachings – jumped on him, many of whom should look more honestly at themselves. However, I also think that Fr. Sheehy was too aggressive and judgmental in his homily. I would suspect his long tenure in the USA cemented his defense of the Church’s moral teachings. Perhaps we need to hear them again in this liberal, do what you like, be what you want to be society with little moral boundaries or wisdom. Our children and young people are now pawns in a new orthodoxy: modernism: be who you want to be, do what you like, ignore God and any Christian philosophy. A crazy world indeed..

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Fr Sheehy’s précis of what he believes is the church’s position on the three or four issues he identifies is a crude caricature. One wonders how he survived in parochial ministry for 40 years. Part of moral maturing is to bring one’s powers of reasoning to bear on the moral positions one inherits from childhood (Super Ego) and to arrive at an the stage of adult conscience.
There isn’t much evidence he has successfully negotiated the transition in the areas he selected.

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The Irish media are wild. They showed no interest in Fr Puck-Jones in Kerry and show great interest in a different priest in Kerry, Fr Sheehy. Any of the blog boffins care to explain why that might be?

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Honestly, they’ve little to be talking about given 10,000 homeless and uncontrolled migration and rural towns falling into ruin while Dublin looks ever more shabby. The various shady or depraved clerics in ministry are irrelevant while a retired priest given a homily for a diocesan pilgrimage is the only matter. The priest is not saying thing heretical. I wonder a little in the sense of ‘reading the room’ which includes media and a rather large cohort who maybe darken the door of a church for maybe weddings and baptisms, but are agnostic, sometimes even atheists, but the bride wants a church venue for her mammy and granny and aunts. Some things the priest can be said as strongly but more gently and someone can be lost too if indifferent to charity to echo the words of our Lord.

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Because they lap that up in Baton Rouge and he thought he would give it a go over here. Neanderthal with a narrow and ultra conservative take on the Newish Testament.

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What's it come to that bishops and priests eviscerate a priest for saying what's in the Catechism?says:

Ah, ffs, up pops Tim Hazlewood (who should declare an interest), who is calling for the removal of Fr Sheehy’s celebret. I thought that the ACP was a sort of trade union for priests to protect them from bishops, but now
the ACP puts the boot in. This is a coordinated attack by ACP media priests. The creepy starey-eyed PP of Abbeyleix had a go earlier. It’ll be Darcy and Tony Flannery’s turn next.

Mind you, the ACP was totally useless at looking after Fr Geoghegan, so they are not even any use as a trade union.

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Funny how these ACP priests, D’Aarcy, Hazlewood, Flannery, despite forever banging on about celibacy, never run off to get married to a good Irish woman. I wonder why? It’s almost as if they’re not interested.

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Have Rory Coyle, Fr Carey, Ger, Fr McAleer and Aidan McCann still got their celebrets?says:

The ACP is notoriously silent on clerical abuse and Hazlewood goes round with the world’s smallest violin on behalf of priests removed from ministry when historic abuse cases emerge. But he found his voice today. I hope he’s as vigorous in demanding the severest of punishments for the next abuser priest to come along.

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10.59
A rather biased reflection on reality. The ACP’s stance on CSA is in the public domain and the diametric opposite of your account.
You appear to suggest that because the crime of CSA has been committed by clergy and religious, albeit some 3-4% of all known instances, people who have been falsely accused should have no redress or recourse to justice.
What kind of muddled thinking is that?

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After Saudi Arabia beheaded 81 people, Simon Coveney said “my Dept has raised concerns directly with Saudi authorities.” He didn’t ask Saudi to apologise for offences against human rights. He did ask Fr Sheehy to apologise.

Beheadings=“concerns.”

Catholic Sermon=“disgraceful.”

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11.11
You are not comparing like with like. You don’t know what lies behind the diplomatic speak of raising concerns directly.
However, you do know the travesty of church teaching contained in Rev Sheehy’s outburst.
Think again.

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