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FATHER GEORGE TYRRELL SJ – AN OUTSTANDING RCC / JESUIT INJUSTICE.

FATHER GEORGE TYRRELL SJ

Just as there is today, at the beginning of the 20 th century, there was a massive row going on between Catholic “conservatives” and Catholic “liberals”

It was a dispute involving the ULTRAMONTAINS versus the MODERNISTS.

Ultramontanism is a clerical political conception within the Catholic Church that places strong emphasis on the prerogatives and powers of the Pope. (Wikipedia)

Modernism in the Catholic Church attempts to reconcile Catholicism with modern culture,  specifically an understanding of the Bible and Catholic tradition in light of the historical-critical method and new philosophical and political developments of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. (Wikipedia)

The Ultramontanists were stressing the traditional position of the pope and traditional doctrines.

The Modernists were stressing the importance of taking modern theological, philosophical and scientific developments into account.

George Tyrrell, a Dublin native and convert became a very prominent modernist.

He suffered wicked resistance and attack that ended with the Jesuits expelling him and his retirement to acountry cottage with his nun friend Maud Petres.

Tyrrell was refused the Last Rites abd a Requiem Mass by Bishop Amigo of Southwark.

AMIGO

So George Tyrrell was buried in the Anglican graveyard at Storrington in West Sussex.

I hah always been a long term admirer of George Tyrrell.

On the 15 th of July 2003 I went to Storrington and celebrated a Requiem Mass at his graveside to make up for the Mass he had been deprived of.

AT GEORGE TYRRELL’S GRAVE 15.7.2003
AT GEORGE TYRRELL’S GRAVE 15.7.2003.

A PIECE I WROTE FOR THE IRISH TIMES THE DAY BEFORE I CELEBRATED THE MASS AT GEORGE TYRRELL’S GRAVE.

Less than a century ago, a dissident Dublin priest was refused a funeral Mass and not allowed to be buried in consecrated ground, writes Bishop Pat Buckley

Tomorrow is the 94th anniversary of the death of the Dublin-born Jesuit priest George Tyrrell. He had been expelled from the Jesuit Order, suspended from the priesthood and excommunicated by Rome at the time of his death.

Father Tyrrell was born into a Church of Ireland family at 91 Dorset Street, in February 1861. He was drawn to the Anglican “high church” tradition and worshipped at All Saints, Grangegorman. In 1879 he converted to Roman Catholicism and spent a probationary year at the Jesuit College, Malta.

In 1891 he was ordained a priest. He joined the staff at Farm Street, London but, in 1899, he was forced to retire. He had become identified with the “modernist” movement, which was later condemned by Pope Pius X in his 1907 encyclical Pascendi.

In his 1908 Lenten pastoral, Cardinal Joseph Mercier, Archbishop Primate of Belgium, took the highly unusual step of naming Tyrrell as “the most penetrating observer of the present Modernist movement – the one most alive to its tendencies, who has best defined its spirit and is perhaps more deeply imbued with it than any other. Little wonder, for Tyrrell is a convert whose early education was Protestant.”

MERCIER

Cardinal Mercier said modernism was the child of Protestantism with its emphasis on individualism while Catholicism was based upon the acceptance of the authority of the Catholic episcopate through whom the Christian faith is communicated to the faithful.

Tyrrell replied to Cardinal Mercier with a masterful treatise entitled Medievalism, in which he reprimanded Mercier for naming him, reminding him that the Pope had named no one in Pascendi.

He accused Mercier and Rome of promoting a “sterilising uniformity” which, to Tyrrell, was far worse that the “divisions of Protestantism”. He berated Mercier for confusing “faith with theology, unity of faith with theological uniformity”.

Then Tyrrell tackled Mercier about the gradual evolution of the thinking that “the Pope is the Church”! Tyrrell said that the true tradition of the Church was of the Pope teaching the deposit of faith with and from within the college of bishops. He rejected Mercier’s term for the Pope as “the bishop of bishops”.

Now, said Tyrrell, the bishops have begun to refer to the Pope as “Father”, for “they are no longer his brethren but his sons or, rather, his servants”. And Tyrrell spelled out the consequences for the whole Church. “We have a sort of a double episcopate in each diocese, the Bishop of Rome and the local bishop, the latter being merely the delegate or vicar-general of the former.”

Tyrrell told Mercier that he was once shocked to see crosses being sold in Rome on which the figure of Christ was replaced by that of the Pope. “Have we yet to hear of the immaculate conception of the Pope or of his real presence in the Sacrament of the Altar.”

Tyrrell ended up living at Storrington in west Sussex. For years he had suffered severe migraine but he was then afflicted with Bright’s Disease and died in 1909, aged 48.

A non-judgemental priest friend heard his last Confession, for Tyrrell had said “if I decline the ministrations of a Roman Catholic priest at my death-bed, it is solely because I wish to give no basis for the rumour that I made any sort of retraction of those Catholic principles which I have defended against the Vatican heresies”.

Bishop Amigo of Southwark declared that Tyrrell was not to be given a funeral Mass or be buried in consecrated ground. So he was buried in the Protestant graveyard and his grave lies, rather prophetically, half way between the Catholic and Anglican churches at Storrington. Tyrrell’s great friend Abbé Brémond was later suspended from the priesthood for praying over the deceased priest.

ABBE BREMOND

Tomorrow I will be in Storrington and, alone, I am going to celebrate Mass at his graveside as a gesture of regret for the vicious persecution he suffered at the hands of Rome, the Jesuits and the Catholic hierarchy. I have written to the Father General of the Jesuits at Rome asking him and his Order to engage in a posthumous reconciliation with a man they “martyred” because he wanted to reform the misguided Church.

The Tyrrell story is a great inspiration to all Catholics today – clerical and lay – who long for Church renewal. Tyrrell also stands pointing the prophetic finger at today’s Vatican with its Emperor Pope, its ruthless Ratzinger Inquisition, and its world college of bishops who are simply the Pope’s curates.

FURTHER READING

https://people.bu.edu/wwildman/bce/tyrrell.htm

143 replies on “FATHER GEORGE TYRRELL SJ – AN OUTSTANDING RCC / JESUIT INJUSTICE.”

@ 11:39pm
Get a grip!, an excellent prelate if only we had more like him today. Instead of the atrocious utterly woke gang of useless ultra modernists we have today like the bollox Browne. May these pernicious influences soon depart!

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Thank you, 9:30, for confirming that Roman Catholicism is about spite and hate. An unusually frank approach.
You omitted the all important kiddy fiddling and money laundering, though, so you’re obviously an uncatechised lapsed bouncy castle Catholic trolling the blog.

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9.30
Pat, why do you print the vulgarity of Bella? I’m referring to his mangling of the English language more than his crass bad language? Ask him to clean up his act.

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9.38
Well said. The Sedevacantist fan of Tridentine Latin, whose ability in the language is confined to Kyrie eleison and Amen, is easily identified.

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9.30 is a typical example of Roman Catholic Church members using their control of schools, cemeteries & community centres etc., to terrorise victims, survivors and their supporters. More proof that although the laundries and mother & baby homes may be closed, the catlicks will use any other means at their disposal to execute antisocial and abusive conduct.

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9.38 Roman Catholic Church members pursue a relentless hate agenda against victims, survivors, supporters & whistleblowers. Engage in inflammatory and insulting actions against victims of Roman Catholic Church related abuse.

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@ 10:19am & 10:23am

Patsy. why do you print the gibberish from you know who, oul Nettie, who comes on with the same crap time and again. I’ve already explained to her that I am not sedevacantist I just don’t like the present incumbent. Also despite being told that Kyrie eleison is Greek not Latin she still doesn’t get it. Most people are sick of her false piety and sanctimonious clap trap, not to mention her compulsion to send in death notices, giving her yet another name ‘The Grim Reaper’ that’s why she is easily identified.

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To all with veiws on blog at 9.30.
Thankfully the blogger @ 9.30 is NOT a member of the Roman Catholic Church for some decades now and we Thank God for that.
Blogger @ 9.30 makes it clear he is a member of the FSSPX and nothing to do with the RCC.
No one in the RCC would write like that as hopefully we are a Church like Pat of Commpassion and LOVE.

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Hate to be a nerd … but Kyrie eleison is actually Classical or Koine Greek, not Latin.

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7.32
I imagine you don’t do irony.
Don’t you think the posters at 10.23 and 12.32 know that? While you were at it, you could have pointed out that Amen is Hebrew before it is Latin
It’s tactless to state the obvious.

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‘Cardinal Mercier said modernism was the child of Protestantism with its emphasis on individualism’
This is why the so-called trads are actually the modernists in their rejection of an ecumenical council for what they themselves want instead.
As it happens they’ll none of them be able to read this comment through being so, er, excited by the picture of Mercier.

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@ 9:38am
No if anyone is lapsed and uncatechised it’s you, the subject was the great Archbishop Amigo. I gave my opinion which is different to yours. but you modernists can’t stand a contrary point of view. Always screaming your tits off if others don’t agree, too bad, how sad, deal with it.

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9.53 Calm down Father, the Boiler House is advertising a post Halloween extravaganza this weekend. You’ll be feeling a bit more “civil” by Monday morning unless you stuck at the Killaloe priest meetings this weekend!

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9:53 Tell us you’ve missed the point of 9:38’s comment because of your post nut over the Cardinal’s lace guilt, without telling us.

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@ 11:47pm
I read your comment and don’t agree with it. It was very refreshing to see a Cardinal correctly attired for once, it’s so rare now, usually it’s jeans and runners. Maybe that’s why you were, er excited you had to mention it.

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@10.36 what’s your problem with jeans & runner clad clergy? 😡
At least we keep fit and no one complains when we have to travel all over the Diocese when the beefcakes are out of action.

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12.41 Button it, Action Man. Some of us worn out from covering up for yar crap.

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@ 12:41pm

If clergy dressed appropriately in clerical dress they would not be able to frequent the dens of iniquity we hear about. Your not supposed to be traveling all over the Diocese standing in for the beefcakes!!! don’t you know.

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Nettie as you call has nothing to do with the blog as I speak to him regular and he has moved on far too busy for the hatred that you spout.
It is a shame you are so nasty as I understand it is SIX years since he sorriful spoke to you but continues to pray for you.
The FSSPX Father’s at Carluke would like to speak with you about your blogging but they have No proof that is you so cannot approach you but they Pray that “nettie” has it wrong but he certainly has not.
look at the times 10 – 10 .40 where will Nettie be in a Parish.

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@ 1:38pm

Get your facts right no layperson can be a member of the FSSPX it is a society for priests. I certainly support it along with the FSSP,ICKSP, The Latin Mas Society and any other traditional society. I am well aware of the malicious phone calls you made about me to the FSSPX They are too well aware of your history in that department. I sent them a screen shot of your convictions for sending malicious letters. So they know who they are dealing with an utter nutter. Patsy to knows your modus operandi so your fooling no one. Get the help you so sorely need.

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Correct me if I’m wrong , but is everyone not entitled to their views and opinions and open for debate. Called free speech regardless of their use of the English language and opinion.

I’m just reading this thread and don’t follow the usual petty wee bitches that are forever putting each other down.

so if I’m wrong can someone enlighten and educate me please…

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Don’t mind the oul dry arses, they generally don’t like being opposed or exposed and these are people who are not for the church /priest/bishops or work for them.
This is a blog exposing the church not members on it who expose everyone else ….
Ssshhhhhh……

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It’s like watching a bunch of tits calling each other bigger tits . Who’s the biggest gobshite lol

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We heard all about this priest recently. You even repeat the article reference which you included recently. Whats the purpose of repeating this so soon again? Dolally Pat?? You don’t have any workable solutions for so called Renewal. It’s become a cliched word with no one really knowing what it means, including you, Pat. Shouting down the Bishops is not renewal nor is shouting against the moral teachings of the Church. Neither is it steamrolling over clerical sinners! Renewal is not doing a la carte Catholicism!!

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This comment is in church speak.
Translation: ‘STFU we hate you.’
Incidentally, ‘father’, it would be reasonable to expect the notionally one true church founded by Christ to receive its notions of renewal from the source and not to have to rant at an excommunicated bishop, if its claims were true.

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9.41: Poor you!! What a most uneducated comment! The word RENEWAL is a word few know how to define. Some, like your type, think it’s about screaming and shouting down all things of Catholic teachings and traditions. Do some serious reflection….that’s if you’re really “concerned”.

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1:13 kindly demonstrates how the illiterate cathbots think they know what people are thinking. 😂

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English Catholic Modernism, Maude Petre’s Way of Faith, by Clyde F Crews, pubd 1984, explains this clearly. Official church publications always blame Tyrrell for the lies of Teilhard SJ (promoted by “knights”) who was not a scientist, not a philosopher * and not a theologian. Teilhard promoters actually claimed Tyrrell supported them. The actual harmful kind of “modernists” deserving of critique besides Teilhard were pretend non-fundamentalist / fideists / Barthians (obscurantists) like Loisy (cuckoos in the nest). Petre was a living Christ believer and at ease in all branches of knowledge, and a rare honest scholar, upholding degrees of inference instead of the black and white thinking of all the rest. The Rome she and Tyrrell tried to respect has, incidentally, disappeared since 1946.
{ * Teilhard’s views have nothing in common with Bergson or Whitehead, whatsoever }

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3.18: You, sir, repeat the same jargon frequently. You rarely contribute intelligently. You have little to offer in argument or serious commentary. Trailer trash junk is your style!!

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Do you andvothersnot constantly demonstrate your opinions on views through this blog. It’s no secret what people are thinking lol anom or otherwise

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I also see from Crews that Maude was emotionally entangled with Teilhard and Loisy. Basically Tyrrell knew what the Jesuits were up to but Rome blamed him for the errors of the false, decoy “modernist” Rome faction. Maude P’s emotions too often clouded matters. Ultramontanism was not the guarantee that Pius IX or X claimed it was, because it has always been the disguise of saboteurs. Prophets like the Fatima children mentioned the word “eucharist” but I now see that a shorthand for a spiritual communion is what was really meant.

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Bishops cannot dictate who is buried in graveyards. What next, will they be building houses in graveyards in prime residential areas?

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1.16 Bishops are only interested in balance sheets. Concrete evidence of that is available everywhere you look at the Roman Catholic Church worldwide.

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9.36 be more respectful, grieving families in communities have to suffer the additional trauma of graves of loved ones being interfered with and items moved around, damaged or stolen. Although court convictions have been secured in some cases, crime and antisocial behaviour continue to be an issue in many areas nationwide.

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@9.36 stop mocking what ye did to the Tuam babies in the septic tanks. Shame on your unrepentant mindset.

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9.36 Glenstal Abbey provide a very nice garden of remembrance for the ashes of our loved ones. Beautiful tranquil location.

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1.16. My late father in law washed his hands of church many years ago due to antisocial abusive behaviour from church members. So many more options out there these days and his celebration of life was so well prepared and meaningful unlike that of his sister, a devout mass goer all her life & the priest said “he hardly knew her”!

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Shame they cancelled your service with them for being vindictive volatile and devious and all round less than genuine after the bishop recommended you. That’s bad.

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8:32 What a strange and paranoid comment. Your name calling is totally unwarranted in response to my post on the Glenstal Garden of Remembrance. Totally cuckoo.

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I beg to differ.
1)Unbaptized babies denied Christian burial unites Irish and US families
Speaking out about my family’s tragedy led many others to share their stories.
Charles Hale @CharlesRHale Feb 07, 2015
2)How doctrine denied dead infants a decent burial
Sin: Augustine said all humans needed baptism
Salvador Ryan June 13 2014 07:34 PM

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I don’t remember any names being called or mentioned in my comment ,only facts

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“Ultramontanism is a clerical political conception within the Catholic Church that places strong emphasis on the prerogatives and powers of the Pope. (Wikipedia)”
This heresy is back in full flower under this pontificate. Even Pat says you can’t be an RC if you don’t accept slavishly (as the likes of Austen Ivereigh does) every jot and tittle from Francis and defend him at all costs.

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12:32 I suggest you read up on Anglo Papalism. If you do, you will find that your attitude to the papacy is exactly theirs, and certainly not the Catholic one.
TL:DR you’re a Protestant.

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12.32
Do you ever listen to yourself? Pope Francis is not a Catholic? And the Sedevacantist Bela who rejects Vatican II (without having read a single sentence of the 16 documents) claims in his vulgarity he is more Catholic.

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The many housekeepers I found sleeping with the local Priest would water your eyes like an onion

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10.05 some of these “housekeepers” were sex slaves – unmarried mothers placed with Randy priests by nuns from mother & baby homes. No end to the various methods employed to exploit the most vulnerable in Irish Society.

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The current A&B incumbent is so desperate to get Southwark or Westminster. He thinks he’s definitely in the running. Views ?

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@ 10.28
No chance of Southwark as Archbishop Wilson loves it and waiting on two assistants.
Maybe Westminster next year.

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Pat, did you ever consider becoming a Jesuit (or any other religious order/congregation for that matter?) There is another Jesuit who you have written about before, whose name escapes me, but as far as I remember he was a family friend of whom you spoke very highly.

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Bishop Buckley you are a legend and my ultimate hero – the highlighting of this atrocious organisation you shine a bad light on – sheer legendary. I know off hand that Bishop Treanor in Lisbreen still makes decisions based on this blog.

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Did George Tyrell lose his faith?
Was he like Newman a kind of founding Fsther of Vatican II?
What was his relationship with Frederick von Huegel?
Was George a homosexual man?
Are there any priests alive today who took the Modernist Oath?
The Church was even anti democratic in those days and seethed with resentment towards the modern world.
Tryrelll was a prophet – but some say he died an atheist – is this true?

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How long will you be in England for? Who is minding the pups? Is the Ed with you? I worry about you when you go away.

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Poor George was not blessed with good looks. He has that slight inbred look of the English upper classes. Too many marriages to cousins etc in order to keep property in the family. However, he evidently was a bright and sensitive man. I suspect he probably suffered from depression. His treatment was par for the course in those days, if you strayed from the official Roman and episcopal path. Amigo was a nasty little man, full of himself and his dignity. I think he was trying to make up a lot of the time for his humble immigrant background. There is nothing worse than someone who thinks that they’ve arrived showing others that they have finally arrived and are here to stay. I think that explains a lot about Amigo. I’m not au fait with the fine definitions of Modernism, but I suspect that I am a Modernist at heart, interprteting the gospel in the light of reason and instinctively understanding that he application and achievement of the gospel values depends on being attuned to the signs of the times and the movement of the spirit. Sheehy from yesterday could do with taking a little lesson from the likes of Tyrrell. By the way, any news from Baton Rouge LA or elsewhere about Sheehy ? There’s definitely a story there. Why, for example, did he leave Baton Rouge ? He’s only 65, so why the early retirement ? Lots of questions to be asked, and only right they should be asked. He has, after all, invited us to ask these questions by his self-promotion from the pulpit and the media.

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This comment wins the award for the most perfectly bitchy, queeny, camp clerical comment (so far) of the day.

And they wonder why straight men don’t apply?

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@9:43 – What’s queeny / bitchy / camp / clerical about; 1. Saying George was not blessed with good looks; 2. Amigo was a nasty man; 3. Sheehy has a history ? Just plain, simple facts, I would have thought ? I note you avoid saying anything about the merits of Modernism and how to apply the gospel values in today’s world.

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He left Baton Rougefor the sane reason that the Singing Priest, Sugar Ray, isn’t on the missions. Decades ago, there were far more Irish applicants for places in Maynooth than were places available there. The best of the applicants (typically academic high performers from the diocesan colleges) were accepted by Maynooth. The surplus went to the regional seminaries and to All Hallows, where they were sponsored by English-speaking dioceses overseas and went there.

Many of these Irish priests really wanted to be at home, and that’s why now they retire home, and bishops have plenty of vacant posts for them to fill.

PS didn’t a desk priest on here the other day defend other desk priests located outside their diocese by saying that they were sharing their gifts outside their own diocese? Fr Sheehy is sharing his gifts with Kerry, but it’s not landing on fertile soil.

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I doubt if Sheehy is going to find any vacant place to fill in Ireland after his most recent imbroglio ! A parish priest or bishop who thinks of taking him on, even on a fill in basis, is going to find themselves well under the spotlight. And the one thing we know about bishops and priests is that they don’t by and large like the spotlight. Shows up too much !

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Fr Sheehy had no gifts to begin with, that’s why he ended up in All Shallows, spent years in the US out of touch with Ireland. Now a retired, giftless ole git.

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Kerry is like Killaloe & Armagh, all barren & totally devoid of ethics.

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Why would anyone think that the Irish Church is better than US Church? Irish Catholicism is a byword for abuse, it’s ground zero, and Irish priests brought abuse all round the world.

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9.26
Fr Sheehy may have been 65 when he left BR but that was not today or yesterday. He looks over 80 if the clip on the news is anything to go by.

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Barron is an awful term to use I have female friends who are Barron and can’t ever have kids and they shake at the mention it they are so traumatised . You should’ve shamed of ourself .barron is not a church term .cop on !

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@ 1:31pm

Fr. Sheehy has the great gift of saying it as it is. It’s just that oul gits like you don’t want to hear it. Too bad, I hope he will be vindicated despite all the arseholes who are busy right now trying to find out anything negative about him. I hope they don’t succeed.

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What rights does a member of the public have if the church sells a cemetery for development? What will happen to those interred. Will special arrangements be made for those who donated the land for the burial grounds in the first place?

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Castleconnell is the only Limerick parish publishing the arrangements for Diocese of Killaloe cover for the Inservice taking place in Loughrea from Sunday evening to Wednesday lunchtime. A panel of retired priests have been enlisted for cover according to Martin Naughton writing our parish notes.

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Fr Sheehy’s available. Killaloe could do with a bit of old time religion. The dirty diocese might then end up with fewer randy revs, clerical homebreakers and flashers.

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10.42 For the record, Castleconnell is in co. Limerick but part of Killaloe Diocese. Will Randy Rosney be attending the retreat or will he be saying penance for all his naughty deeds? The word on the street is that Fr GF has now officially received his inheritance and life is a lot sweeter.

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Word on the street ?

So you mean to say you don’t actually know from any realisable sources . No friends in Clare the church … That’s ironic. Wevtoldvypu numerous times the outcome you to ignore facts to suit your angenda. You were also told he would not menace or preaching again for the foreseeable future and ou chose to ignore the truth once again to suit to hit your agenda. That decision was made officially in May and he has not received a pay check since. Behind the scenes it was made I early January ,long before you 😀

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9.42 Fitzgerald is not receiving a pay check you say? Prove it! You want proof of the ‘word on the street’? If you knew where to look, you would know that it is easily accessible on the World Wide Web 🤡.

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9.28 I am rubber, you are glue. Everything you say bounces off of me and sticks to you 🤡.

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Robert says today that Jesus has said to him that he is not to divide the church and that it is a grave sin for men to look at women with llust. Robert says that our priests need to preach from the heart of Jesus and to be more like Fr. Sheehy.
How does Robert know that it is Jesus talking to him and that it is not his subconscious doing it as this is what Robert wants and he believes it is really Jesus talking to him.
Also Robert has been called to raise a family and when does he get time to raise them and pray with them and also work at his day work as he seems to be doing a lot of travelling around the country to prsy groups or abroad in mexico. Gods blessings to you all.

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If men never looked at women with lust the human race would die out in about 90 years. He does talk some utter twaddle and I hate to think what a nightmare of performative guilt their sex life must be.

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12.38
Better not to report anything from what’s his name for the next year. A sabbatical is called for. Let him,if it’s true, profess the same view as Rev Sheehy of Baton Rouge. Both of them hold positions not consistent with those of the church. It’s bizarre they have to find that out the hard way.

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He is quite mad, I told him so on his YouTube blog.
Hearing voices!!! Especially God! Em,em, em, em, not a good sign at all

Robert Nugent, have you considered seeing a Doctor or psychologist to find an explanation for the auditory hallucinations you are experiencing?

Or is he just trying to make a few bob, there are many who will be gullible enough to believe him, could be a nice little earner?
Maybe if he keeps busy as a dervish, it will keep his mind off sex, unfortunately for him it seems to be failing miserable.

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3.12: I believe Robert N is way OTT. I watched parts of his Mexico, Camino de Sanriago, Medugorje, Fatima, Dublin Marathon and Mourne Mt. pilgrimage videos. There is something very weird about the themes he chooses to promulgate while strolling around. He is more zealous than ever and religiously feverish. His messages are conveyed in an aggressive style, almost thumping like an American bible belt preacher..Too judgmental, too extreme and seems now to believe Jesus is whispering messages to him. Will we soon have Mark Kirby locutions, Part 2? His interpretation of modern events are very strange. He’d be more effective if he said less and with a greater charity and kindness. I’m sure he’s sincere in his beliefs but he should not be scaremongering ALL with his sweeping judgments. All of us who follow Christ know the standard expected and, by God, we struggle. Robert’s world view doesn’t see the grey areas of our lives. We all realise the call of God to daily conversion in Christ. Robert – please listen.

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It is no surprise that some people will scoff at RN’s message. Any man looking at a woman with lust can pray to God for help. Pray for help to see past the lust and to see the person. 🙏
Use things not people. Love people not things.
Pax

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Seamus I would just like you to know that every time you say something like that I have a good wank.
Pat, sorry to talk like this but he’s such a sanctimonious git whose porn collection is probably bigger than mine.

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7:08, the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. The demon of lust can be overcome. He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy. 🙏
Pax.

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8.57
Rubbish. Lust is a demon? Sexual desire is what ensures the species doesn’t die out. God’s design. You are not wise.

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Ah Robert my site what trauma you went through it mate go get some help ,these wanna be preachers really teach shite

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Richard Moth is part of the Magic Circle they take care of their own – he’s effete and seemingly with little interest in the fairer sex – a shoe in I’d say but no Westminster (not bright enough) enough – mind you CMOC got it so who knows!
When is Elsie returning?

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12.44
Next June they think but deffo next year.
The wish is for Pope Francis to visit the UK next year so awaiting if he is or not as the Papal Nuncio met Pope Francis last week.

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1.48
Jim S. (the one Bela Lugosi calls Nettie) is back with consistent misinformation and giving the impression he knows what ever boshop in these isles has for breakfast.

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I am sick of people being homophobic on this blog, my brother is a homosexual and endured years of having to dress up as women in order to express himself – you should all hang your heads in shame

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Why worry, many of those commenting on this blog are homosexual, and as such, feel they can with impunity, talk about homosexuality.
If you are upset because of the discussion on Fr. Sheedy, the question was simply, what the Roman Catholic church states is doctrinally acceptable, was he right or wrong to preach on this topic.
Many of the rest of us step outside the precepts of the Catholic church in different ways
It’s nice to see your brotherly love, keep it up, and let your brother know too.
We all find something to hone in on, to vilify or, dislike at some time.
Rise above it!
My old Mother use to say, “when they stop talking about you, they’ll find someone else to disparage”.

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12.59
Er, describing someone as effete and with litttle interest in the fairer sex isn’t homophonic – it’s simply descriptive- for all I know Bishop Moth might like dressing up in ladies clothes – oh wait a minute he’s a cleric so clearly he does!!

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12.59
Er, describing someone as effete and with litttle interest in the fairer sex isn’t homophonic – it’s simply descriptive- for all I know Bishop Moth might like dressing up in ladies clothes – oh wait a minute he’s a cleric so clearly he does!!

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I am not homophobic at all, but men should not be displaying affection publicly while in the city centre, it sets a bad example to children.

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Pope Francis to visit the UK goodness whatever for?
I can’t see that happening – he’s virtually an invalid can barely get around the Vatican let alone travel to the UK – and if the UK, then what about Scotland and Ireland?
Nah but Elsie next year – nah he’s v keen to do a Conclave he ain’t going until he’s notched that up.
Gallagher for Cardinal?
Wilson (Jeez I hope not)
Stock (anyone but Stock!!!)
Then who?

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3:01
What a narrow-minded defeatist attitude you display. Francis is a shining example of living with a disability. Currently he’s in Bahrain.

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3.32 that’s great, Pope Francis is well able to travel to Argentina then.

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He could still vote in a conclave even if he’s retired as Archbishop of Westminster, provided he is uner 80 years of age. Lots of retired cardinals and desk cardinals who never had a diocese nevertheless vote in coclaves.

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IICSA might have knackered Elsie out!!
Him and Nursie took a battering and reputations in shreds and tatters so it’s retire and pasture I reckon.

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I seen a priest ‘play fighting’ with a young man in Milltown cemetery – right under the nose of everyone who was there, and he didn’t care

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Hello stranger, have not been well enough to chat to you all. I have had a successful liver transplant and I am loving life. All I need now is a lover transplant lol – have a lovely sober weekend ya all

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Eamonn

Either you’ve been telling lies about the drinking, or telling lies about a liver transplant. They will not give a new liver to someone who has been drinking in the previous 12 months and they do hair and blood tests to confirm that a person has been off the drink, to weed out liars. If a person hasn’t been sober for a year they would be throwing a good liver after bad, as in the case of George Best.

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6.15: I agree with you. Pat should not print any further comnents from Eamon, the booze. He forever glorifies drink.Hes the typical enabler for an alcoholic. He is lying because as you said, liver transplants are so precious, medical teams do not give such to an alcoholic who drank up to recent weeks. Cop on Eamon. Shut up from hereon. Stay in therapy.

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3.32pm

Pity Pope Francis doesn’t stand up for the human rights of Chinese Muslims and criticises Xi regime – horses and courses, goose and gander and yes I guess when you have the support of the state (private jet) and unlimited financial resources then you can live with disability.

Defeatist and narrow minded you opine – hey if it helps you to think that that’s fine by me!!

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4:56 The Roman Catholic Church itself has a very poor human rights record. Google is your friend if, unlike many on this blog, you do not have direct experiences of what they do under the guise of piety.

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I’m going o start commenting on Irish , I suppose that will bruised as a weapon because most don’t speak it. What a cunt I am lol

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About the two ex-dames of Glastonbury. They’ve been ‘discerning’ for almost a year, or have they thrown in the towel and opened a B&B together in Blackpool? Dames Anselm and Bede, where are you?

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Ah sure no point commenting anymore , pat is choosing which truths to approve and deny , whichever does or doesn’t suit him. Suppose we will just have to jump only train , I can assure you all you won’t be binned of diverse opinions.

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God Bless you Bishop Pat for what you do for the late Fr Tyrrell treated so badly in death by Bishop Amigo and by others in life. Pax

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This blog is designed to highlight church corruption 8/10 highlights in the commenters the same two or three with vendettas that are non related to the actual truth,manipulated or pettiness they wish to repetively repeat constantly ….
Anyone who disagrees or acknowledges their views,challenges or acknowledges this point is either a priest or the comment is binned,very unfair but I won’t cry about it …
It’s a farce …
Sick of listening to the same two cunts that have nothing new to say except for the bitter ones who were left out in the cold because they are simply fucking crazy and rejected and their bitterness doesn’t override their proof …..one way or another …
And that is the truth my friend !!!
Bet this won’t be approved ….

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Fr Tyrell SJ was and is interesting, insightful, but I think he patently failed to understand the need to express himself in a cautious, canny manner in his era. The same could be said with Fr Sheehy who should have been defended better by his spiritual father the bishop (a bishop has to be strict father to his priests, which includes protecting but also punishing as needed), but also failed to modulate his tone, and there was too a shortfall in charity in elements of his homily.

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5.48
Nonsense! What a superficial and trite evaluation of Tyrell’s life and output combined with a myopic indulgence of Sheehy’s shortcomings. In both cases, the comment focuses on manner of expression to the avoidance of content. And to add insult to i jury, what a paternalistic and outdated conception of a bishop’s role. Read the N.T., Jerome, Augustine or Christus Dominus.

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