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RELIGIOUS ORDERS SHOULD PAY THEIR OWN ABUSE COMPENSATION BILL

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2022/11/13/blackrock-college-who-were-the-priests-accused-of-abuse/

New allegations of child sexual abuse by priests at Blackrock College have emerged in recent days, prompted by a radio documentary that told in detail of two brothers who were sexually abused by priests at the school in the 1970s, unbeknown to each other.

At least 233 men have made allegations of abuse against 77 Irish priests from the Spiritans, some of whom were serial abusers left with unchecked access to children in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s. The following are four of the priests against whom allegations were made:

PAT SAYS

All of this abuse was disgusting and cries to Heaven for punishment.

And the horror of abuse was compounded by the horror of all the cover up that went with it.

The state and the tax payer should not have to pay one cent of the compensation.

The religious orders should pay ALL the compensation.

127 replies on “RELIGIOUS ORDERS SHOULD PAY THEIR OWN ABUSE COMPENSATION BILL”

The Irish Government allows the RCC to run riot financially. Charitable status and all the grants they receive should be withheld at least until church has satisfactorily met their redress obligations. Many victims have already died awaiting redress. This is totally unacceptable.

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The Spirit and and Jesuits against whom many accusations are made about teaching clerics must now pay out all compensation as a principle of justice. The provincial teams in both Orders now must act with speed, justice, honesty and accountability towards victims/survivors. They need utimately to do this for survivors, then for the school in which many good priests and teachers served and they need to do it for all sufferers of any abuse. The Orders seem committed to doing that and I hope they will continue to do so. When at boarding school for four years, not one bit of this kind of behaviour was witnessed. I feel lucky but my heart is with the grown men who were horribly used, abused, hurt and shamed in emotional pain as chuldren and young people. I hope they can find the space to get through these days. The Spiritans must pay all compensation and more. Wait till the African flood gates open with their experience of ABUSE by these coordinating predators.

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12:06 it’s all a massive underground network of sexual and financial abuse. No wonder they gone so rich and powerful, they are untouchable and appear to literally get away with murder whilst victims left to rot in septic tanks being one example. Hoping these victims of Blackrock abuse receive appropriate support and compensation after all this time.

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Anonymoussays:
Nov 15, 2022 at 12:06 am
That is the reason I always state their original name, the Holy Ghost Fathers aka The Spiritans, it is a very smart move to change the name of the religious order, many may not associate the Spiritan title with the old one.
Many, I bet in Spiritan schools under it’s original name were sexually abused, we all know the method religious order’s have with problem priests, ship them to other parishes, other countries, other continents, there is no doubt in my mind many sex abuser priests were/are sent abroad to continue their filthy perverted ways, with no redress.

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It seems inexplicable as to why the “state’s” ie the public purse of our taxation , should have to pay for the crimes of non state agents.
The RCC should be required to make full and complete compensation at levels determined by judicial processes.
MMM

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PSA: This is a blog where Roman Catholics expose how they bully people. And that’s if they haven’t already fleeced you and traumatized your kids.
But sure, let’s blame Vatican 2 for why people don’t go to church. 😂

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a) not true
b) all you’ve shown us is you take child rape as an opportunity to troll the blog.
What kind of person lies and thinks child abuse is funny? Got it – you’re a Roman Catholic aren’t you.

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It’s an inconvenient truth that there is no equivalent process of court settlements and redress payments for victims of social workers. I defy MMM to disprove that.

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1:07 You’ve just given away that you’re lying by mentioning court.
No individual or statutory body is exempt from court litigation.
The only reason the church has set up compensation schemes is to try to keep it out of court, control it and reduce payments.
Folks observe the thinking at 1:07 and you will see how cults program people with complete fictions and the way they both fear the outside world and make people think the outside world is persecuting them.

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@ 1:42. You make a very appropriate relevant point on the RCC ‘s duplicitous efforts to minimise compensation under the guise of pseudo generous positivity. Thank you
As for the ad hominem attempts at deflection: they just show themselves up.
MMM

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Force the State to sell Stormont to pay for Kincora and the Ulster Penitentiary, and the Anglicans can sell one of their churches to pay for Bethany Homes and Manor House.

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1:09 So bitter. Don’t forget not one of those institutions is founded by God, like the holy Roman church claims to be.
Since they’re not guided by God you can only expect them to get it wrong, ‘father’.

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1:25 So what? The Catholic Church must surely set an example, since it has a moral compass and you’re all experts in humanity.
Or are you saying you want to be guided by what any other paedophiles do?

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The spiritan order have said they are dealing with all cases that arise. They havn asked the Government for assistance. I see Sinn Fein / IRA want a victims led inquiry. There not so keen on a victims led tribunal into the murder and mayhem of the IRA over 30 years. No opportunity for victims or their families to tell their story. No compensation for the murders , the injuries, the knee capping, the disappeared, the bombing , the kangaroo courts . The list goes on. No calls for same either from liberal lefty Irish media. That’s modern Ireland for ya. A Sinn Fein / IRA led government in a few years time. Ya a very caring country indeed.

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6:09 Sinn Fein/New IRA/Fianna Fail are the political wing of the Irish Roman Catholic Church. Blackrock College Alma Mater of Irish President & Taoiseach/Prime Minister Eamon De Valera. Irish Church dominated the poor people during reign of De Valera and his clerical Mafia. Mother and Baby sweat shops were raking in the profits from government hospital laundry contracts.

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I’m sure they are they are dealing with it!! Probably in the exact same way that they have dealt with it heretofore : moving perpetrators around from place to place, hiding them, concealing information etc etc. If they are so interested in the wellbeing of their victims, it is very definitely a very newly found interest! They had 60years to deal with it, there are endless avenues of media through which they could have sought out their victims, but the truth is that they didn’t do one thing about it, only pay out ‘shut – up’ money, as many of their victims slept on the streets literally, outside their door, having been unable to come to terms with what had been done to them.
Incedentally, defence of the indefensible is not possible in any manner, least of all by distraction by the ‘what about’ princible.
Wake up, and see sadistic crimes being perpetrated by your beloved church in God’s name.

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It’s all about the refusal of secular and religious clerics to take financial responsibility and pay compensation because of tge existential threat these pay out pose and they resist it tooth and nail.
Personally if I had anything to do with it I would ensure that every religious order who sexually abused and covered up would be bled dry with multi million pound and dollar compensation packages.
I mean what value on a child’s innocence and dignity?
Look out Birmingham after IICSA I’d say tge writing is on the wall and a tsunami of compensation claims are on their way.
Don’t be fooled by Nursie hes a good little boy and will do exactly as his CEO, lawyers and insurers tell him so as to prevent a single Penny of pay out – oh but they will apologise all day long.

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They should absolutely pay their own compensation and if any of them are still alive they should be locked up. Who the hell does this RC mob think they are. Their days of acting with impunity must be over. Filthy disgusting depraved perverts. Who in their right mind would ever dream of assaulting a minor let alone an adult. Is this the calibre of recruits the RCC mafia recruits and all under the guise of spreading the gospel? Sick

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Born in Cranny, Co Clare in 1920, Fr Senan Corry studied at Rockwell College. He studied philosophy at Kimmage Manor and prefected at Rockwell from 1942 to 1944. Ordained In 1947. His first appointment was to Nigeria, worked in parish of Enugu until 1953. Returned to Kimmage Manor where he served as Assistant Director of Postulant Brothers until 1957. Appointed to Blackrock College in 1957 where he took up teaching post in Willow Park School. When he retired from teaching, Fr Senan Corry remained in the Willow Park Community. He celebrated his Golden Jubilee of ordination in 1997. He died in Marian House on 10th July 2004 and is buried in the community plot at Shanganagh. He is described as being remembered by the staff of the school as an entirely dedicated teacher remembered by generations of students for his rugby coaching of the junior teams. There is no mention in college records of Brother Luke McCaffrey, Fr Patrick Flood or Fr Tom Byrne also named in the Irish Times article by journalists Patsy McGarry and Ronan McGreevy.

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3:31 those that covered up for Fr Corry & his types are still around. Zero accountability for these well connected snakes in the grass.

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The Roman Catholic Church only cares about preserving its reputation to keep the money rolling in. It is beyond belief that they are permitted to claim tax breaks amounting to billions worldwide whilst every day victims of their evil die without redress and others continue to suffer without any indication of repentance or closure by these greedy evil vultures in sheep’s clothing.

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Roman Catholic Church is Landbanking whilst claiming Charitable Status & Tax Concessions.says:

9:37am what about all the unused houses and buildings owned by the Roman Catholic Church. In Ireland alone, there are vast numbers of vacant houses once occupied by clerics yet Irish Government provides Irish Church with grants and charitable status tax breaks whilst the church is land banking and sniggering all the way to the bank.

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Ryan Tubridy expressed heartfelt sadness on the passing of a true Irish warrior, Vicky Phelan who died yesterday morning. Vicky was a campaigner and advocate for Irish women. I hope Ryan speaks about the horrific abuse at Blackrock College. Vicky, May you rest in peace.

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Ryan will not chip at the rock. The rock was always full of rot. Part of the issue is the privileged class system, which never thought for one moment that these were abusers. Check out today’s Irish Time excellent article by Fintan O’Toole and the collusion between De Valera and John Charles McQuaid.

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4:42 Alma Mater of Blackrock & The Roscrea Cistercians form most of the foundation of decades long & ongoing corruption on the Emerald Isle.

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4:42 Tubbs knows where his bread is buttered. The title of his Grandads book says it all…..

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Professional and opportunist parasites and kiddy fiddlers protected by their champagne and coke snorting pals with deep pockets & the essential little shits with form for miscellaneous “favours”.

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It’s interesting how the RCs commenting on here are happy to tell other people they should abstain, not have abortions, etc, and impose their own standards that they don’t follow on other people.
Perhaps if they don’t want to get repeatedly sued they could try abstaining from raping children.

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Divide and conquer won’t work anymore. Trying to confuse whistleblowers in order to cover up your dirty shenanigans. Pathetic.

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Pat, have you seen Eamon Martin’s speech in Maynooth in which he talks in very personal terms about the decline of the Church in Ireland? He seems to suggest that it’s game over in 2029, when the post-Emancipation Church will come to an end and lay mature students from Maynooth will take over whatever’s left.
https://www.catholicbishops.ie/2022/11/12/there-is-a-crying-need-for-atonement-inner-healing-and-hope-in-the-aftermath-of-the-abuse-scandals-archbishop-eamon-martin/?swcfpc=1

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I read several years ago that companies supplying goods like candles and so on were forecasting their business would last only about another ten years going by the fall off in custom.
This was even before the pandemic.

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I don’t know how you can get that idea from what he says which is just that 2029 is an anniversary and brings a chapter to an end.
Not the brightest.

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Not so much the ending of a chapter as closing the book. It’s over, finished, done.

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Priests are just funeral officiants now, and even that market is drying up, as the young will go for humanist ceremonies, as they know it is hypocritical to go along with the church funeral business when neither the deceased nor their relatives believe in it any more, despite (or because of) most of them having had many years of Catholic school education.

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God be with the days when Dublin had three clerical outfitters – McCaul’s, the department in Clery’s, and the third one, whose name escapes me. Is there even one left?

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@12:17 pm
So, if there’s a crying need for atonement in the aftermath of abuse scandals, why has atonement not occurred? Is Amy impotent, unable to
do anything to meet this identifiable crying need; or is it because
the ‘powers that be’ know much more continues to be hidden making any attempt at atonement a farce…

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12.17
That is Good News if Eamon Martin thinks he will be gone by 2029 and many will be rejoicing but wish it would come quicker for him to RESIGN.
The Catholic Church will still be around in 2029 maybe in a differnt way in Ireland and Europe but the Church is Flourishing Worldwide and growing at the last count 1.4 Billion.
When cardinal Tagle becomes Pope then we will continue in the vast Vineyard and the Branches will return.

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Religious orders and vocations are on the decline and on the way out. I implore any young man seeking to join such corrupt orders, to think again. Do not sign up, and those who are already in, I implore you to get out, the grass truly is greener on the other side.

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Yes, if they want that life there are just as many opportunities for crime out here in the real world.
The reason they go into the church is that as a secular criminal sooner or later somebody is going to ask them if they’re gay.

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I disagree Joe. I find it a great vocation and a great way to serve God, for life. Very interesting and intelligent people join religious organisations.

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@ !:31pm

Patsy, that’s because they are all wearing jeans and runners and poly, ponchos. No need for clerical outfitters now unfortunately. God be with those wonderful days.

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My absolutely favourite bible passage is the one where God says ‘Dont wear mixed fabrics’. (Leviticus 19:19) Of course that means that just polyester on its own is fine.

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Any parent who now sends their children to a Catholic boarding school should be reported to social services for neglect. How can any parent think of sending their children to those cauldrons of abuse?

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These school will be going and turning out Catholic leaders of society when you are long gone. Rest easy bigot!

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How can anyone thing of going to Germany on holiday , or the USA for that matter, and don’t forget what the Spanish did. and of course the Irish, they were always savage

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Another day and another blog about our Church. Tell us about yours? We get you hate us, but tell us about what you do?

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Breaking: Roman Catholics admit they think covering up child abuse is just fine and revealing it is persecuting them. 😂
In fact this comment is so ridiculous it’s probably a troll one but that’s no reason not to capitalize on it in the relentless pursuit of the truth about the cult.

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Anonymoussays:
Nov 15, 2022 at 1:55 pm
Who brought this disgusting scourge on the Roman Catholic church and it’s unfortunate children? It was not Anonymous at 3.30pm. It was foisted on the Catholic church by it’s OWN perverted Roman Catholic deviant clergy, no one else is culpable.
Of course you are ashamed, but don’t off-load the CRIMES of the Roman Catholic church, and it’s complicit Bishops, Cardinals and Popes, onto innocent bystanders.
I know! It’s hard to break the habit, if you don’t acknowledge, everyone else will, and point it out to you over and over and over again, as long as the Roman Catholic clergy malfeasance is dug up, around the world.
Just you wait until the Roman Catholic clergy sex abuse in Asia, Africa, India where it has begun to break through, and, more from of Latin American, this sexual violence inflicted on children has only being barely skimmed, make sure you mete out blame where it’s deserved, continue to hang your head in shame, as well you must, to be associated with such a corrupt organisation.

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Spot on, Queenievenus.
They looove to think of themselves as the victims, that’s why they get so wound up when the state steps in and tells them raping children isn’t ok.
They also like to be the ones telling everyone else what’s right and wrong.
If the trail of destruction they leave wasn’t so serious it would be funny…

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When does it ever end? It looks like there was always paedophiles down through all the ages and they were found in powerful places of royalty and in church. Paedophiles are intelligent and can come across as having charismatic and authoritive personalities. Unless there is a cure for paedophilia we will always have manipulative paedophiles.
Have the paedophiles and the cover up church people committed a sin against the holy spirit and means their sin can never be forgiven and these church personnel are on thr way to eternal hell.
Did convicted church abusers and the cover uppers recieive a catholic church funetal as the sin against the holy spirit can never be forgiven according to church rules.?

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EVERY Diocese and Religious Order on the island of Ireland needs to be investigated.
Safeguarding MUST be completely independent of the RCC.

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https://www.bishop-accountability.org/2022/11/the-churchs-implosion-its-gonna-get-worse-before-it-gets-better-2/
The Church’s Implosion: It’s Gonna Get Worse Before It Gets Better
VATICAN CITY (VATICAN CITY)
La Croix International [France]
By Robert Mickens.
“The sex abuse scandal involving bishops in France is just the latest episode in a serial horror show that has actually only just begun. What must Catholics do to not lose faith?
The phenomenon of sexual abuse by Catholic clergy, like a dreaded disease that becomes the proverbial “gift that keeps on giving”, has now intensified in France with the recent revelations that a cardinal and nine or ten other bishops are currently under investigation by state or Church authorities for abuse or its cover-up.”

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If a religious order, or diocese, or any other body is found to be vicariously culpable and liable for abuse by their member or in their institutions, then there is no doubt that they should be held liable, including for compensation. The antics of these bodies to do everything in their power to avoid concrete recompense is creative and legendary, and flies in the face of every gospel value about justice. Which, of course, they preach about everything and everybody else. The obstacle to seeking concrete compensation, as opposed to mealy mouthed words of apology, is access to the right and proper legal help, and that costs money. Victims, by and large do not have the kind of money required for that. So, a first step would be for some creative funding to facilitate some class actions, Not sure by whom, or how, but without the funding it is not going to happen. Maybe the government could underwrite such action, and if it is successful could recoup some of its outlay ? Money and funding is, realistically, the key.

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We need to pray for all those victims of sex abuse at the hands of the RCC. Compensation should rightly be paid to them and not from the tax payer. We just cherish our children and protect them from evil.

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Lucy I second that. I think the RCC is a much safer institution now than it was before, but I would still never let a child near the place on their own.

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And I suppose you’re “Fr” John Wayne Gacy – the serial killer and sex offender.
Absolutely disgusting to be using that name. Not surprised you agreed with “Sister” Lucy Letby… You’re probably the same poster.

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4.18: Sr…… Sr……YOU should stop using this name. How can YOU, fool, speak abiut child abuse using this name.? Research the name you are using and cop yourself on.

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Totally agree with everything you say. There have been a number of complaints about the use of this name on this blog.
Yesterday, I stated that it was inappropriate for this name to be used as Lucy Letby is currently on trial accused of murdering 7 new born babies and the attempted murder of 10 others at Chester Hospital. I am extremely disappointed that this is continuing.
This blog has sunk to new depths by allowing this.
It is the last time I will comment on this blog.
Goodbye
Garngad Lad

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Where is the report of the Commission of Investigation relating to responses to allegations of child sexual abuse made against Waterford man Bill Kenneally? The terms of reference for the Commission contain references to An Garda Síochána, South Eastern Health Board (HSE), Basketball Ireland, the Waterford catholic diocese and unnamed ‘political figures’. It began in 2018, but as of yet, no report. This is a serious matter of public interest. Cover-up appears to be a national pastime particularly in the church.

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7.20: Garngad Lad: Pat sometimes is an utterly stupid fool. He knows the story about this vile nurse, yet he continues to allow a sicko commenter use her name. Such crass ignorance from Larne. Vile.

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Is compensation on the cards for all victims? Or who is touting this idea? They should be awarded millions, parochial houses, land.

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I agree, strip them off all assets and spread evenly amongst the victims, men women and children alike. More men suffered at the heart of RCC than women though.

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The Catholic Church has never been a safe place for children or women. It’s a pompous white man organisation that is so deranged. Power and abuse.

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You have a damn cheek talking about womens rights, go grab your rosary beads because you do not know what your body needs

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In that case, it would not be called dinner – normally served at lunchtime – but tea. And what the hell is wrong with being working class? In any case it hardly applies now. When I was at a snobby university, the worst condition was that of the lower middle class; nevertheless a rich social tapestry. Class is the last barrier, and far more damaging than being called gay.

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Dinner, dear boy, is taken in the evening. Oscotians sup their tea with bread and butter and whatever the cooks can be bothered to deep fry.

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Reply to;Rule Britaniasays:
Nov 15, 2022 at 2:20 pm
May I recommend you read the final report by the IICSA into the Church of England in England & Wales, I am sure on reflection you will also exclude England and Wales from your holiday destinations, and avoid the Anglican church at all cost.

The Anglican Church Safeguarding in the Church of England and the Church in Wales
Investigation Report October 2020
A report of the Inquiry Panel
Professor Alexis Jay OBE

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A Francis Jesuit – multi billion pound RCC – they should help us fund pay increases for our lovely and kind nurses.

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There is no state oversight on this one, period. Its a boarding school funded by parents to the religious orders who ran that place.
One parent who were deaf, whose son attended Blackrock college. I did comment on this 2 years ago re principal asking them to report any bullying on their son cos principal was so concerned, something to do with some legal case.
In our case, there was state oversight on institutional schools which they left it to the religious orders. Even we had ad hoc inspections coming from dept of education and old health boards.
The problem was the state trusted religious orders so much as their word was truth. Parents including my parents as well believed rcc were holy and couldn’t tell lies et al.
Go figure 🤷‍♀️.

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5:51 Private schools in Ireland still receive State funding on the basis that their existence removes pressure on the State school system and that every child regardless of family income is equally entitled to a free state education in Irish Republic. Any excuse to hoist their buddies in high places. Birds of a feather.

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Well the one thing that is clear from the cathbots’ comments today is they’re as keen on kiddy fiddling as they ever were… and also that there is no honour among thieves.

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Robert Nugent really does think he is important. You aren’t! Never mind coming up here to Derry for your rally, stay with your wife Agnesjka and your children. Stop worrying yourself about hot young muscle men masturbating also.

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I have watched most of Robert N’s videos and while I don’t agree with everything he says I can only remember him mentioning masturbation in passing on one occasion so I just can’t understand your obsession with this. Its obvious that its you who are obsessed and not Robert. So for the love of Jehovah would you ever grow up and cop yourself on.

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He looks like a Jehovah I agree. Serena Williams is also a Jehovah witness but yet took a blood transfusion after the birth of her daughter.

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7.31
You and your obtuse comments are an occasion of sin to at least one reader here.,

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5.51: A most horrible racist and ugly comment. Robert Nugent is as entitled as anyone else to express his views. Referring to his wife shows your ugly nastyism. You’re a racist. I hope no Ukranians, Polish or any foreign national have the misfortune of crossing your pathway. You ignoramus.

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Ipswich will be in the headlines soon Pat, what is being uncovered there will shock the entire world.

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Well His Royal Horrible, Prince Andrew paid roughly £12million in compensation to a victim he claims never to have met, imagine how much each individual victim of the RCC would be entitled to?

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He never paid it, his mother, who everyone doted on, paid this for her Paedophile favourite son. Peoples judgements and hypocrisy are sickening

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I think Charles is doing a splendid job thus far. He is handling Andrew & Harry exceptionally. January will be interesting when the spares book comes out. I have already pre-ordered it and will be taking a few days off to read it.

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Gosh Pat, you really must not be a fan of true crime? Do you honestly think the victims will get compensated? The RCC are a bunch of serial killers.

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The irony in this comment has me howling, do you think the owner of this good blog can be fooled and made a dick off? Well he can’t! Hail Bishop Buckley

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This blog is bonkers 😂 but I love it
Lisbreen must be quaking in their boots with the credibility of the comments
Does Eugene really read it every night?

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Pat, with these new allegations from the Spiritans coming to light there are now many other orders and congregations around the country waiting anxiously to see if they will be next. Our provincial is up the walls

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The Maynooth Survivors deserve redress. Mullaney is found of shredding the witness statements of those who came forward against Ledwith,Drury and Paul Prior.

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