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TIME TO TOTALLY SEPERATE THE IRISH STATE AND THE IRISH ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

The time is long past when the Irish State and the RCC be totally disconnected.

Because of the damage the RCC did in Ireland for decades the Irish Government should withdraw its ambassador to the Vatican and not accept a new papal nuncio in Ireland.

Ireland should deal with the Vatican, if at all, through the Irish ambassador to Italy.

The Vatican, through its world wide abuse and corruption, has proven that it is a ROGUE STATELET.

Modern democracies, such as Ireland, should not have relationships with rogue states.

There was a time when Ireland banned the IRA.

In the last “Troubles” the IRA were responsible for some 1700 deaths and injured some thousands of others.

But how many people has the RCC killed, injured and abused, even in the last 1,000 years?

There were circa 800 babies in Tuam alone.

OTHER FIGURES

FRANCE

Bishops and priests abused 216,000 minors between 1950 and 2020

AUSTRALIA

4,444 abuses reported to dioceses.

GERMANY

1,670 bishops and priests abused 3,677 victims.

USA

11,000 victims made complaints.

IRELAND

15,000 complaints between 1970 and 1990.

That’s nearly A QUARTER OF A MILLION victims from just 5 countries.

The Irish RCC should be regarded as a criminal organisation by the Irish State.

No officer of state should formally attend any RCC events.

The Irist State should introduce new legislation holding the RCC solely responsible for all abuse in its institutions.

They should also introduce new legislation allowing the state to seize all RCC assets to pay the abuse bills.

120 replies on “TIME TO TOTALLY SEPERATE THE IRISH STATE AND THE IRISH ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.”

I agree Pat. The state has moved on from the RCC and has lost all faith in it. Look at the referendum on abortion and gay marriage as proof of this.

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So to prove why we should sever ties with the Church on account of abuse, you take the example of how people voted in favour of killing unborn babies? Both abuse and abortion are abhorrent – the latter is not a badge of honour or a triumph for modern Ireland.

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The cult’s apparatchiks have the most trouble with the fact they no longer get to dictate morality.
I’m loving it.

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Ah yes, Anonymous @12:48, I’m sure the aborted babies are eternally grateful to those who voted for abortion to show that the Catholic Church no longer gets to “dictate morality”. God help us all if that’s the moral compass of modern Ireland. “We can now legally kill our future citizens, but at least we gave the two fingers to the Catholic Church”.

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The Catholic Church tortured and killed more children than any other group has to date.

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How many children has the Catholic Church killed, Pat? More than the 56 million lives ended through abortion annually?

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People who have killed and tortured children themselves have no credibility when talking about abortion.

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One might lack credibility – that hardly means that what is being said is wrong. After all, one does not have to be a Catholic or listen to the Catholic Church to come to the conclusion that abortion is wrong.
My issue was with the earlier suggestion that some people have voted for abortion to give the “two fingers” to the Church – a disgusting position, in fact, to try to teach the Church a lesson by causing the legalisation of abortion. What credibility do such persons have, claiming to be disgusted by abuse within the Church after having simply ticked a box to end the lives of thousands of future citizens of this country?

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10:57 Shame on government for giving hard earned taxpayers money to the wealthy Irish branch of the Vatican when there is so much homelessness and need in the current cost of living crisis.

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Thank you for raising such important issues, you are correct in every way possible – seize the assets and distribute to the victims – Leo Varadkar should grow a pair when he takes over the reign

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12:42 homophobic comment. If you were “true to yourself”, you wouldn’t feel so bitter and vindictive, Father. 😒

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3.38
Look MC you should recognise the commenter as Bela from UK – well for the moment as he’s from Scotland and they may be independent members of EU soon. His style is as inimitable as yours.

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+Pat, I certainly agree that the ROI state should legislate to require the Irish RCC to provide compensation as determined by due independent judicial processes. Leave it to the RCC hierarchy to produce the compo, but with the clear proviso that failure to do so within court determined timescale automatically incurs confiscation for sale of court determined RCC property, plus relevant default interest rate charges.
Slap it into them. That’s all they understand.
MMM

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Given that Peter Damian was already describing child sexual abuse by clergy as a problem in the eleventh century the true totals are likely to be much higher than those you give.

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Do you recall the time Enda Kenny closed the Embassey to the Holy See… and then discovered that a lot of national intelligence was routed through there so 3 years later it was reopened and staffed by one person.

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12.07: Enda was pressurised by the Labour party under Gilmore….whose party is in terminal decline with an out of touch leader, Miss Bacic…and who all hate the Catholic Church even though they mostly all went to posh private Catholic schools.The champagne socialists….

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@Padraig
That is a low blow referring to “champaign socislism”. Look at Marx himself – a man of great wealth who stood up for the poorer in society.
Very often the downtrodden have neither the education, means or free time to campaign for a better society. But when good minded people of means take up socialism they care attacked by those who would “play the man, not the ball”. If you have an intelligent argument against socialism then play that ball.

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Too right, the Irish RCC is clinging to its colossal wealth like a dog with a bone, cynically waiting for time to pass so eventually all claimants will have died. The Irish criminal assets bureau should step in and distribute the payouts to those still suffering whilst they still alive to make some kind of life for themselves and regain dignity and peace of mind.

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Many Irish politicians make it obvious that they are “done” with the RCC. They should demonstrate some integrity and “finish the job”.

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Few politicians have the moral integrity to go against what is popular with the voting public on which they depend. It may eventually be that court determined compensation could be drawn from a pool of RCC property and monies confiscated by the state. That confiscation process will depend on legislation supported by sufficient politicians motivated by the groundswell of popular public demand.
And it’s happening. The more the public become aware of both the RCC’s wealth and its abusive character the greater will be the impetus towards full compensation mechanisms. This blog is valuable in developing public awareness.
MMM

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What assets should be seized to pay the victims of Kincora and other state homes, MMM? They could start with one of your pensions.

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Okolo could not stomach the corrupt RCC cesspit in Ireland. He spent considerable time and energy focussing on his exit. It didn’t take him long to work out that sooner or later Ireland would eventually prove to be the graveyard for his career if he didn’t get out. Smart guy.

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@12.58 Ah yes, oh look on the other side of the street at the abuse going on elsewhere. Shame Tusla are influenced so heavily by their Priesty pals. Stop the rot across the board.

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Anon at 12:58
Would abuse in families explain this?
‘For this reason the Church has always taught the importance of the family as the basic unit of the social fabric of society itself: “Authority, stability, and a life of relationships within the family constitute the foundations for freedom, security, and fraternity within society” (2207). The family, therefore, as an “institution is prior to any recognition by public authority, which has an obligation to recognize it” (2202). Since marriage and family have their basis in the created order, confirmed by the explicit Revelation of God…’
Source: https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20060707_levada-valencia_en.html

Funny how you’re all so keen to place abuse in the family and yet strangely your cult is frantically keen on the family.
What a remarkable coincidence.

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The Irish Bishops are brazen as brass. They don’t give a monkeys as long as the money keeps rolling in. It’s a business, their staff and lay professional volunteers focus their days on state grant applications, tax avoidance schemes, stocks, shares, land banking etc. After all that, where would they find time to pray. They are busy, busy bees making honey for their tea. They are like bulldogs that just chewed a wasp when Patsy focusses on their money schemes. It sometimes even renders some of them speechless for at least a few days!

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More and more people are opting for private funerals and lay celebrants, this being reflective of their response to all that remains defiantly and deliberately unresolved by the Roman Catholic Church.

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It is more honest for all concerned when unbelievers have humanist funerals. Eases the burden on the clergy too.

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1:38 agreed, don’t see most families for months or years and no contribution, then they have the cheek to expect us to “know” them and to “speak at length” at “what a grand lady/fella” their loved one was when the inevitable happens. So demanding. Not easy dealing with the public these days. No one appears to “know their place” any more.

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1.05
The Lay Celebrant’s use all the Roman Catholic Prayers and even offer the Rosary so they like all Our prayers.
Once a Catholic always a Catholic.

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Pp. You say, “no-one seems to know their place…..”
Does that refer to a failure to acknowledge clergy as superior to the ordinary lay person? I am assuming you are a cleric: your comment infers this.
If that is indeed your position it just goes to show how greatly the alleged ontological change has infected your grandiose attitude.

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Blessings Bishop Buckley, this blog piece today is very poignant.
I believe the state and the Church, that was joined together like Siamese twins, are separating.
I think this is best for both parties as it will create more clarity moving forward.
I hope you have a pleasant day.
Prayerful best wishes.

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Pat, the statistics you quoted are shocking. It would be interesting to know from a sociological point of view why the numbers in Ireland are so high.

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Reply to; Anonymoussays:
Nov 16, 2022 at 7:32 am

Maybe this video will go some way to explaining why there are so many children sexually abused in Ireland.
Another possible reason is, the disdain which many Irish people hold towards the Roman Catholic church and it’s clergy, the explosive exposé of the many abuses, including sex abuse, inflicted on Irish children by Roman Catholic church clerics, at last escaping from the claws of the Roman Catholic church dominance, sexually abused victims felt enable/free to expose their sex abusers.
The education system is perhaps another reason, at one stage in a highly Roman Catholic population, sexual abusers from religious orders had enormous access to any amount of Catholic children from 5 years old to 17 years old, every year a fresh batch, it they were not sexually abused previously by another member of the religious order, if so, it is likely that child’s name would be passed on the the next sex abuser Catholic member of the same religious order.
Those sexual abusers must have felt like “a child in a sweet shop” spoiled for choice, which one or more, to choose this year.
It fills me with repugnance even to think of the freedom those sexual abusers had, and the children who passed through their filthy hands.

GBH Forum Network 7,283 views Mar 26, 2014 YouTube

1)Child Sexual Abuse and the Catholic Church: An Irish Disease and or Global Phenomenon
Journalist Patsy McGarry, of The Irish Times explores the politics, perceptions, and uniquely Irish aspects of the clergy sexual abuse scandal in Ireland.

2)An Irish Tragedy: How Sex Abuse By Irish Priests Helped Cripple The Catholic Church

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It seems QP that intelligent debate on key relevant factors is beyond the capacity of some contributors to this blog. I’m sure that like myself, you easily identify them.
Maybe we just have to accept their limitations as impervious to reason, or indeed common sense.
MMM

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3.05: MMM the 2nd – you certainly don’t possess the sharpest articulation of the original MMM…your attempts at imitation in writing is abysmal. HMMMM….Cheater.

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Does the comment to Padraig @ 8.02 refer to HIS limitations as easily identifiable? I shouldn’t have thought it necessary to point that out.
Some things are so glaringly obvious.

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Your views on Francis’s decade-long protection of abuser Zanchetta, $1m defence of child abuser Grassi, no investigation of alleged embezzler Maradiaga, trashing Barros victims, Ricard victim’s ignored letter to Francis? Please.

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Bergoglio gets an easy time of it from the media and his swivel-eyed attack dogs and even from this blog, because they like his agenda and overlook his dreadful record on abuse.

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As long as government and mass goers continue to finance church, the abusive rot shop will continue.

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There is absolutely zero requirement to subscribe to church, they hold vast wealth and vacant property and continue to victimise and harrass surviving whistleblowers many elderly and in failing health. Toxic organisation should have assets seized by government. All built on blood money and sweat of vulnerable members of society earmarked and targetted by greedy clerics and members.

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I am a humanist, and I have been diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer, I just want to say to you to all love life, be kind and make the most of it

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Rest peacefully Patrick. I hope you are receiving good compassionate care. Think of all the good you’ve known.
Be content that the religion foisted spectre of an almighty beancounter totting up your scores to determine some kind of afterlife just does not exist.
As a fellow humanist, I’m content with that.
MMM

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Patricksays: Nov 16, 2022 at 8:07 am
Patrick, I am sorry to hear of your serious illness.
You know at times like this, it’s very difficult to know what to say to alleviate your pain and suffering, I also realise it’s probably best to keep my big mouth shut.
It may surprise you to know I have been thinking of you since I read you pronouncement this morning, and even though my response is inadequate, it may give you some comfort to know someone, a stranger is listening to you.
I hope you have someone close to support you cope, share your concerns, and that your symptoms are bearable.
Even though this thought may not be any consolation to you,
we are all in that same queue with you, you may not see us or, know us, we’re there, some of us at the front, some in the middle, and some at the back, without a doubt, we are all heading in the same direction as you.
My best wishes to you.
Incidentally your advise is spot on.

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It’s a human rights issue that Roman Catholic Church is permitted to continue to target abuse and harrass victims and whistleblowers and also permitted to continue to cover up for all manner of wrongdoing by its clergy and members.

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This is just one of many Irish mother and baby homes. There is much more to be revealed. This is only tip of iceberg.

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Good morning you all, a mighty fine but cold morning. Turn on the news and trump is running for office again, BoJo will be next after Rishi loses the election.

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You can not compare the deaths of the IRA and the RCC. No killing can be justified. Murder is murder is murder

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There are good men in the RCC, the majority actually, it’s always the minority that give groups a bad name.

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No they are not good as they are useless noral cowards in keeping their mouths shut about this horrific child abuse and cover up. Whete is fr sheehy now i hear silence from him. But quick he was to condemn the ordinary people of God as they try to journey along lifes pathway.

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1:44 Clergy & co are more than capable of opening their mouths when they busy themselves spreading false narratives to protect their unsavoury interests.

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Reply to;Anonymoussays:
Nov 16, 2022 at 8:21 am
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”
That quote sums up succinctly many “good” Roman Catholic priests, sadly for so many children, and adolescent boys, sexually abused by Roman Catholic paedophiles and ephebophiles, when Roman Catholic sexually pervert clergy were witnessed by those “good” priest colleagues, who knew the score, but remains dumb.

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2:58 Thank you for confirming that priests are no different from everyone else and thus rendering void their godling status of other Christs.
By doing so you confirm yet again that the crime is the point of the RC church because you admit there’s no point to the ‘religion’.

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1.53: Queenie: that’s true of some priests – not speaking out. But, who speaks out when a family relative abuses a child or close relative? NO ONE until it’s too late. Open your eyes. Read. Observe. Have you, Queenie ever “spoken out” in the face of abuse, wrong doing, corruption or evil deeds you’ve witnessed? And please don’t tell me you’ve never had any reason to be concerned? That’s what we all say – never saw anything!!! BE HONEST. Perhaps you’re of the generation of the thousands who passed by the high walls of our gulags, knowing what was happening to children – and kept walking by!! With your parents and forebears!! Indeed…”Evil thrives when supposedly good people say nothing.”

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@ 3.26. This “social work besotted troll seems just too dense to appreciate that most of his/her comments simply serve to confirm his/her severe limitations of understanding and perspective.
But of course those very same limitations degrade the capacity to appreciate them in oneself.
“Shooting oneself in the foot” springs to mind
MMM

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Social work scandals are also covered up with social workers involved frequently promoted.

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MMM it’s a troll, pure and simple, with nothing sensible to say. The question is more what Pat is thinking when he moderates these comments (if anything).

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Social work scandals exist including cover ups. Google social work scandals for more information on the ‘professional do-gooders’. The scandals in child care settings in Ireland were known years before the Ryan Report. These scandals included both Church and State agencies including social workers. The Irish Times called the Ryan report “a devastating indictment of Church and State authorities.” Fact.

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UK and Irish police should take their cue from the United States where the FBI and other agencies take far more interest in the financial wrong doing of church members. Rev John Asare-Dankwah is just one of many being investigated in the Archdiocese of New Orleans.

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“The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.” – James Madison

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8.55am: Are our modern political elites doing any better at keeping war, hatred, enmities and conflicts at bay? Famine? NO… How can Europe look at Ukraine being bombed and destroyed and speak only platitudes? Terrified of Putin!!! How can our own government preside over the shame of homelessness? Legitimate questions.

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11:15 – Ukraine air defence rocket killed 2 Polish farm workers yesterday. This is not good. China has affirmed that it wants to “deepen practical cooperation” with Moscow despite Russia’s ongoing invasion of Ukraine.

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I am reminded of the old saying: “Sure what would expect from a pig but a grunt.” More opportunist nonsense from the Buckley brigade. A sad anonymous group of malcontents who hide in the shadows and lob stones from a distance. Many of them seem to be failed clerics intent on revenge.
While at times amusing, this blog serves a real purpose – it gives these sados a place to scream in the silence. That stops them intruding into the real world. So keep up the good work Paddy! And remember lads, its free! Therapy would cost a bomb.

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Titularis: Indeed! When I saw the saying you quote then read the rest of your comment, I thought: How appropriate 😄

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9:01
The purpose of this blog is to highlight abuse corruption and crime in the RCC. Sexual abuse of children and abuse of vulnerable adults has a cost, in more ways than one, TiTularis.

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What has ruffled the feathers of 9:01am aka ‘the Tit’.
Is State/Church relations too sensitive a topic?
Would ‘the Tit’ prefer covering up of clerical crime to continue?
Or has the anonymous ‘Tit’ something to hide?
Do tell us, ‘Tit’.

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Lets have another day of bashing the catholic church. It’s been at least a day since we had one Another round of liveline with joe (half a million a year ) duffy being very ‘ concerned’ and maybe finish off with an article by fintan o toole and his conspiracy theories.

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Sorry for your troubles Seanie, but this is a blog highlighting abuse corruption and crime in the catholic church.

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9:19 the “real” question here Seanie is WHY does this blog so “clearly” “bother” “you” of all people???? This blog clearly does what it “says on the tin” – exposes abuse, crime, corruption and criminality in the Roman Catholic Church worldwide.

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12:44 Seanie doesn’t have the sense to see that his perception that having the church’s crime revealed is church bashing….is an admission that crime is the business of the church, not the religion facade.
This is the brightest and best that support them. 😂

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9.19
Don’t forever be the cretin you usually are. It’s about kickin’ the s**t out of the institutional Church (the clergy), not about putting the boot into the Church in general.

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Separate Church & State…! No can do. Not for now….
Church & State are joined at the hip particularly when it comes to joint cover ups…

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I’ve had it up to here with all this church bashing. Seriously, ye have put me back on the sauce. I couldn’t decide on a pint of beer or cider so I thought to hell with it, I’ll go half and half and these snakes bites are not easing the pain yet. Where’s that Eamon today, never around when he could be making himself useful.

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But our church wasn’t founded by Christ like yours was (according to you). Wouldn’t you rather we paid attention to the allegedly superior version?

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Contributor Patrick makes most sense In many ways England has moved on from Church of England bus=t there is a context in which it makes Human rights is he agenda of choice for the lawmakers

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I’m nobody’s bigot so I won’t stoop to Brendan Behan’s vulgar caricature of the origins of the Church of England given in Irish in An Giall and translated into English in The Hostage. It summed up the terrible relationship between Catholic Ireland and Protestant England in a couple of phrases:

There are three signs of the Anglican Church. It is conceived in adultery; born in bigamy; and accomplished in butchery.

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Clergy are old and not being replaced. Article misses out on the departures and MIAs.says:

This article reveals that many priests are serving beyond the age of 75. Bishops should urgently reassign their desk priests.
In the same article, the ACP, in their cack-handed, blunderbus way have just breached client confidentiality by revealing that Fr Geoghegan was forced to seek liacisation because he was gay. Anyone can read between the lines and deduce that that is the case being referred to.
They also do their usual “poor me” on behalf of abuser priests by saying that a priest who came out of prison is now homeless. Unfortunately that is the fate of many ex-prisoners, but the ACP is looking for special treatment for their man, presumably from the Church.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2022/11/02/more-than-a-third-of-irish-catholic-priests-are-over-60-and-just-25-are-under-40-survey-finds/

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3:06 Agreed, if there weren’t so many parish dodger clergy, Bishops wouldn’t have to spend so much money and time on developing teams of lay replacements. All the well connected types are based in attractive international locations indulging themselves far away from prying parish Mary and Tom’s. The pretty boy naughty lads in favour with their superiors pursue academic vanity in foreign universities of their choice whilst their victims are avenged on their behalf back at base. Lovely pillars of the community!

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I love the way the cathbots suddenly advert to everyone else when the many crimes of their ‘church’ are brought up.
It’s like a small child protesting that everyone else does what they’ve been caught doing by the teacher. But tell us all about your informed conscience. 😂
CCC 1783 Conscience must be informed and moral judgment enlightened. A well-formed conscience is upright and truthful. It formulates its judgments according to reason, in conformity with the true good willed by the wisdom of the Creator. The education of conscience is indispensable for human beings who are subjected to negative influences and tempted by sin to prefer their own judgment and to reject authoritative teachings.

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3.24
No. It’s simple noticing the elephant in the room as far as church haters like you are concerned: it’s following the evidence that the overwhelming instances of the crime of CSA are perpetrated by male relatives and familiars – fathers, brothers, grandfathers, uncles, cousins. If you and your ilk were sincere in your outrage, you’d be trying to stop this current reality. Since you are not, the conclusion must be drawn that your issues and concerns are ulterior to the heinous activity of the sexual abouse of children.

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Anon 4.27pm
Leave him alone. He had done his time on this blog.
Nuff said.
My job re RP was done when he left towards healing. Im not going to chase him cos its not worth it unless if he was a Bishop.
Its a consensual sex between adults, no crime committed, it is just incompatible between rcc laws and his nocturnal activities.
But it raised our eyebrows cos he’s a head Abbot in a famous monastery in Ireland.
Any head Abbot implies above board, integrity and tact, no double standards, truth and faithfulness et al. That applies to all head Abbotts. RP broke that mould which gave rise to our thoughts such as other head abbotts around the world who might do RP way.
Coffey, phonsie, any suggestions, any takers here by other posters.🤷‍♀️

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5:30
Why did Ponsie allow Dick continue in ministry for over two years following this blog breaking the story? Was Dick trying to normalize clerical boiler house bonking with Ponsie supporting him? Both had total disregard for faithful catholics. Their arrogance was staggering but whats new.

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Deaf Guy at 5:30 I’m afraid the faithful have repeatedly shown on here that they object strongly to consensual sex between adults but strangely confound it with illegal sex with children which I am yet to see any of them actually having a problem with.

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6:36pm Irish Bishops consistently facilitate deviant clerics, they enjoy making a point of sticking 2 fingers up to Buckley’s blog. Horrible.

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Recreational drug use by clerics is another issue completely ignored by hierarchy

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Anon at 6.40pm

Consensual sex is quite common all over the world. I have seen it through my friends on holidays et al. That isn’t a crime cos both were adults over the age of 18.

The problem was/is that I cannot tell them off, it’s not my place to tell him or her, or what to do etc except for dangerous moments where we had to intervene to prevent rape which we did once before.

Otherwise, they would tell me, bugger off, mind your own business et al.

I strongly abhorred in the strongest terms, child sex or rape without any consent whatsoever. It goes beyond the pale. If I could rewind my past experience to now, I would bring a golf club to whack them hard in cabra school to make them aware that it’s totally unacceptable, a non starter quite frankly. My ex bed mate few beds away from me ended up in mental hospital last year which I was quite shocked and stunned at the same time.

Its a jail time for any member of rcc clergy or Bishop or cardinals who does that kind of thing unseen and unheard. State here (Ireland) is quirw too soft on rcc in comparison to usa which went after them big time.

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The Irish Church has cheekily lobbied their Government for the cost of living crisis payments implemented this winter to help families. Outrageous and blatant greed.

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5:27 Cheek is right. What on Earth do they do with all the collections for heating funds and multiple income streams. Greedy opportunism.

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5.27: Totally wrong…Parish Centres with super facilities, like the one in our Parish, are used, not just for Parish Groups and activities, but by many groups from the wider community, who have no better venues at the cost value we give them. The many groups are delighted and so are we that we can offer such wondergul space, welcome, hospitality and inclusion. Get a grip you misinformed twit. Such Parish Centre Venues are contributing to the local community, recognised by all local groups and businesses..We also pay hugh insurance…We were therefore entitled to have support from government. Where do your type get your “misinformation”.

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Anon at 6.36pm
Fair enough as I agree with your comments especially the fact that Phonsie allowed RP to continue on for last two years. To be honest with you, I had forgotten about that time frame which you have brought it up.
Fair play to you for reminding me this 🙈.
Its sheer arrogance by phonsie to this blog and elsewhere especially in diocese of Waterford.
He has a brass neck, thought he rode roughshod over ourselves, this blog, people of Waterford expecting no consequences in return for himself. That’s blatantly sheer arrogance on his part. That’s his weakness which I could see for others to take him down.
But I have a strong suspicion re Phonsie and his support of RP tells us more about him, sexual orientation although I could be wrong there. I can’t say it on this blog for reasons known to myself. That suspicion hasn’t gone away yet in my eyes.
Agree with you completely re total disregard for many faithful Catholics in Waterford. Its a scandal in my view.
In other words, he has no respect for any Catholics in W&L Diocese, any Catholics who read this blog and other blogs elsewhere. That total disrespect is almost equivalent to = sheer arrogance. For me, I would take him down to a peg or two if given an opportunity to do so.
Finally, Phonsie was normalising it by giving his approval and tacit support to RP. That’s why I say leave RP alone, just attack that Bishop of W&L if you can cos he’s wholly and totally responsible for what it went on for 2 years as you said it.

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7:23
I have no idea of Ponsies sexual orientation. I would have thought him being a member of Opus Dei, having to take cold showers every day, would leave a person orientation-less. RP issue illustrated clerical duplicity, hypocrisy and lack of credibility of the upper echelons in the Irish Church. These professionals christians forget its the sheeple funding their lifestyles ministries and monasteries.

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https://religionnews.com/2022/11/15/continued-sex-scandals-undermine-the-french-catholic-church/
French Catholic Leaders Mired In Sexual Abuse Scandals Dig Themselves Deeper.
French Catholic leaders initially played down clerical abuse, but the issue has now gone far beyond the ‘few bad apples’ stage.
“PARIS (RNS) — Like any modern Catholic official, Archbishop Éric de Moulins-Beaufort, president of France’s Catholic bishops’ conference, realizes clergy sexual abuse is a systemic problem, one that calls for serious reform of the church’s uncertain rules and ingrained secrecy.
But recent revelations of sexual misconduct by a cardinal and a bishop on Moulins-Beaufort’s watch show how complicated, time-consuming and personal stamping out abuse can be.” ” “How can we still believe that the church will get out of this, that it has the means to reform itself, when it is so deeply affected itself?” asked Isabelle de Gaulmyn, an editor and former Vatican correspondent for the Catholic daily newspaper La Croix.”
“What do we see on the part of this ‘elite,’ supposedly chosen carefully by the pope and his advisers? Perversion for some — serious, profound and criminal perversion. And for the others, an incomprehensible laxity that leads to immense helplessness.”
November 15, 2022.
By Tom Heneghan.

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Blackrock College survivor, Louis Hoffman, has revealed how Fr Senan Corry showed up at his fathers funeral. Corry had dropped Louis Hoffman from the school soccer team after Hoffman screamed and wouldn’t comply with the abuse. Corry also tried to abuse Hoffman’s brother. Their blood boiled when Corry and three other priests arrived at Dalkey Church for their fathers funeral.

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Reply to;
Martinsays:
Nov 16, 2022 at 5:20 pm
Yes! Martin I have spoken out when I have seen injustices, but not often enough. I have not witnessed sex abuse. The one secular sexual abuser I know of, was grooming one member of my family, he was in prison at one time, for the same sexually abusive crimes against children both in U.K and Africa.
The person who did not believe that sexual abuse occurred at his school was the Principal and, owner of the Roman Catholic school, obviously with reason.(Money.)
Without doubt there is a huge problem with sexual abuse in the families, we will probably never know the exact data on that, anyone who protects a child sexual abuser, should have the same punishment as the sexual abuser.
The problem with Roman Catholic priests sexually abusing, is above all else, the trust that is broken, the confidence which was placed in them by children and, adults alike, blown to smithereens.
The hypocrisy of claiming to be celibate.
Not forgetting the sins of the Fathers.
Deference for priests, who turn out to be paedophile.
The expectation of the faithful to adhere to Roman Catholic teaching when the clergy were flouting all the rules to satiate their sexually perverted needs.
The realisation that not only were children being groomed but, also their parents.
In so many ways everything that was thought to be honest and straightforward was in fact covert, deceitful, opaque.
The complicit sexual abuser enablers, the Bishops and Popes duplicitous misbehaviour is in my opinion unforgivable.
The Roman Catholic faithful would not have the same trust, belief, in Tom, Dick , or Harry.
One more point, which I think is relevant, the hoodwinking of Catholics by by their hierarchy, which makes any thinking person wonder about their own judgement of character, how could we for so long be so stupid, as not to suspect, the crimes committed, (Although there was always a little doubt niggling away) that hurts both pride, faith, and intelligence.

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