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THE HUNGER STRIKERS AND IRAN.

A Reader writes

Dear Bishop Pat,

Further to our exchange of WhatsApp messages, I write outlining a sequence of events that took place during my recent visit to Rome because you wish to utilise the correspondence for a blog posting. As a consequence, I am going to be careful, because we are dealing with very sensitive matters. I am mindful of the on-going sectarian divisions in Northern Ireland and the extreme sensitivities surrounding the situation in Iran at the moment.

Following a concelebrated Sunday Eucharist in a church near the Vatican, a number of the priests and pilgrims along with myself had breakfast. Midway through, we were engaged in conversation by a young woman of Middle Eastern appearance. I noted that she wore a crucifix so I presumed she was a Christian. However, as the conversation developed, it transpired that she was from Iran and that she was a Muslim. When we learned this fact all of us were surprised because the wearing of the crucifix by Muslim is akin to apostasy. And as the conversation developed, I was not surprised to learn that the woman in question had cut her hair in an act of solidarity with the protesters in Iran. As the conversation unfolded, I felt sufficiently comfortable to ask about her wearing of the crucifix. She replied that she saw Jesus as a figure of liberation, so for her, the cross did not have any salvific/theological significance, however, wearing it was a profound political statement. We have this opinion of Iran being a deeply religious country, but it seemed to me that secularisation is well-developed, and the younger generation are rejecting the faith/religiosity of their parents.

Some minutes later, the woman in question asked about our countries of origin. When I replied that I was from Ireland, she immediately steered the conversation to Bobby Sands. To my absolute amazement, she told me that Bobby Sands has become a significant almost totemic figure in the political protests currently taking place in Iran. He is seen as somebody who took a principled and ideological stand for the greater good of his community at a terrible personal cost. His willingness to sacrifice his life in the pursuance of the cause of Irish freedom has real resonance with the young people of Iran who are seeking greater liberty in that country. I have been struck by many of the interviews with young people from Iran that have been broadcast on the BBC that they are willing to die to achieve greater personal freedoms. Also, they make no reference to invoking the divine when they make these kinds of statements. And for that reason I can instinctively understand why Bobby Sands has gained such traction in that country, but I appreciate this is possibly pure supposition on my part.

It is, however, the case that Bobby Sands is not an unknown figure in Iran. There is a street dedicated to his memory in the capital, Tehran, where ironically the British Embassy is located. Also, his memory was invoked by the Iranian regime to serve its own political ends, so he is not a remote figure. On the island of Ireland, Bobby Sands is a deeply divisive figure. To some, he is a convicted criminal and a terrorist; to others, he is a martyr for the cause of Irish freedom and unity whose heroic sacrifice will be perennially recorded in the annuals of Irish history. Nevertheless, it is interesting to see how his contested legacy has been transformed to become a positive and inspirational force for good by a younger generation of Iranians. That, too, is a paradox of our age.

Bishop Pat, I am, however, mindful that you have a personal interest in Bobby Sands, because you were one of the priests who ministered to him in prison. Of course, I would never ask you about your relationship with Sands, because I presume you heard his confession. Also, I am sure you also tried to persuade him to end his hunger strike. But I did some research on Google this morning and I was surprised to see an interview with you talking about Sands referring to his hunger strike having a salvific/Christ-like quality. Therefore, I am of the view that you should contact a professional historian to give a detailed account of your interactions with him because we are dealing with a significant and important figure and period in Irish history that should be recorded for posterity. You too, are not going to live forever!

My conversation with the young woman in Rome was all too brief. Rightly or wrongly, I took the inference that Bobby Sands is an important and inspirational figure for young Iranians as they struggle for greater freedom in Iran. I, too, also took the inference that Sands in Iran is a secular Gandhi-like figure devoid of any theological significance.

Enclosing link to your interview below

With best wishes,

INTERVIEW – TOTONTO

https://www.cbc.ca/i/caffeine/syndicate/?mediaId=1506856515781

PAT

Dear Reader,

Thank you for interesting correspondence.

I have never forgotten my encounters with Bobby Sands and his NINE companions.

One Sunday I said Mass in the prison and a prison officer asked me to take Holy Communion to a prisoner in the hospital wing.

It turned out to be Bobby Sands who had the strongest of possible Catholic faith.

After giving him Communion I asked if we could talk.

He replied: “As long as you’re not going to preach at me”.

I reassured him that preaching at people was not my style.

We had a very long conversation and after that I went in to say Mass for the ten of them every Sunday.

I did celebrate the Sacrament of Penance with them and of course I cannot discuss that.

But I am totally convinced that Bobby Sands was morally of a very clear conscience.

He said to me:

“Two seconds after I die I will open my eyes and will be looking into the eyes of the only man who will ever completely understand me”.

I do NOT believe that the Hunger Strikers deaths were suicide.

And Bobbs Sands in particular absolutely believed in the words of Christ:

“No man can have any greater love than to lay his life down for his friends”.

Having used every other means at his disposal to defeat what he saw as his nation’s conquerors and torturers, he was left with only one last weapon – his life.

I did not share all Bobby’s political beliefs but I admired his naked courage.

Afterwards I attended the Hunger Strikers funerals and suffered serious opposition and persecution from my fellow clergy for doing so.

The Northern clergy, with a few exceptions like Des Wilson and Joe McVeigh, were very anti Republican- SDLP supporters.

I was not particularly Republican but was acting totally out of compassion and care for my people.

Where the people are, the priest should be standing with them in solidarity.

131 replies on “THE HUNGER STRIKERS AND IRAN.”

Why do you disagree, Pat? Did Sands have universal support throughout the island of Ireland for his slow suicide, and the reasons for it? We both know he didn’t, so, why do you disagree with my claim that he died simply for his way?
Sands was a fanatic, and these people cannot be reasoned with.

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9.42: I agree with you. The hunger strikers, Bobby in particular are misnamed heroes. We can all understand history, Pat, not just your version.

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9:42 here is the daily reminder that the Roman Catholic Church hates the words “truth” or “justice” & maintains its hate campaign on anything or anyone that supports these aims.

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Perhaps with benefit of time, it’s possible to better understand his motivation. After years of negligent intransigent Thatcher dominated Tory rule, there seemed few options to those men on “the blanket.”
Reading Richard O’Rawe’s excellent book, “The Blanketmen: An untold story of the H-Block Hunger Strike” offers an insight into then realities. I recommend it.
MMM

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I don’t doubt you do, MMM. But, still, you’re wrong.
Sands suicided. And lost. Because we STILL don’t have a so-called ‘united Ireland’.

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@ 7.43. In what way is Mourne Man wrong?
He offers no opinion or theory.
Read his comment again AFTER you read Proverbs 13:16 NLT.

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Catholic MP Shirley Williams and perfidious Cardinal “don’t give me communion on my deathbed” Basil Hume, both said publicly that the hunger strike was suicide, lending moral assistance to the Archbitch Thatcher who would have let 1,000 die on hunger strike.

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Your daily reminder that the ONLY time human life matters to Catholics is in the womb and otherwise The Church is the only thing that matters.

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3:43 keeping showing your true colours – anyone who questions your masons lodge posing as a religion is subjected to abuse and name calling, general libel and slander on this blog and elsewhere.

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12:31 Most Roman Catholic clergy & politicians continue kow tow to those who pay their way & pave the path to their gravy train – Margaret Thatcher was far more useful to them than Bobby Sands and his companions.

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Interesting article on Iran and Bobby Sands . People can have their views on Bobby Sands but one thing beyond doubt is he was a man of principle and a man of faith. A rare thing in modern Ireland. He must be looking down on McDonald and Sinn Fein today and wonder what was it all about , is this what I gave my life for.

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Home rule should have been granted in 1829 or under Gladstone, to give the then patriots of any religion a chance to pull together.

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Thank you for sharing this, Bishop Pat. I, too, very much admire Bobby and his pals for their bravery and courage- this was bravery and courage for others and for a fuller appreciation of equality.
Every person, every life, is precious and should be treated with love, care, nurture and respect.

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1.24
Your last sentence, unless it was a throwaway comment, is worth repeating:
‘Every person, every life, is precious and should be treated with love, care, nurture and respect.’
A pity Sands, and his fellow terrorists, didn’t follow your, er, shining moral example.

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Aw Jesus song me the same oul perceptive song ,nobody is denying the truth or facts but you can’t live on them denying all other thriths as if they don’t exist ,Christ …
If I lived in the world all day everyday , not accepting other realities or perceptions apart from my own opinion ,I would kill myself . And everyone would blame everyone except themselves !
There comes a time when you need to take responsibility!

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‘If I lived in the world all day everyday’
I think it is clear from your comment that you don’t.

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A shameful episode in history. Bobby Sands and all of the martyrs who died for Irish freedom over the centuries should never be forgotten. Rest in peace.

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Pat, Happy World Aids day, it’s important everyone knows their status, it’s more important than even being positive and not knowing.

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When I was diagnosed with HIV it was a death sentence, now it isn’t, it’s a chronic illness that it better managed than diabetes, yet there is no stigma around that illness.

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Bobby Sands had more genuine Christian belief in his little finger than the likes of Bishops such as Noel “Big Mansion” Treanor and his types sniggering up their sleeves as they shear the sheep to the bone to fund their stocks and shares, wine cellars, luxury cars & holidays, racehorse syndicates and whatever else tickles the fancy of these greedy gluttons on any given day. If God exists, Bobby is sitting at his right hand.

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Sands starved himself to death, yet you, Pat, do not consider this suicide? Incredible.

Sands, and his mates, were zealots: fanatics. And, like all fanatics, spiritually blind for ‘the cause’. Ask Barabbas.

No wonder the Iranians are confused about the nature of Sands, cos you are, too, Pat.

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9.44

This isn’t about knowing best, but about historical fact. Sands suicided, and suicides are commonly considered cowards.

Pat Buckley failed this man by allowing him to die in the absurd belief, by the teaching of his own church at the time, that Sands was acting with moral nobility.

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11.33

No,I didn’t confirm your point, because Sands suicided. Fact.

This has nothing to do with opinion. Or with knowing best.

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11.59
No, I am not God, which is why I didn’t venture even an opinion, let alone a categorical judgement, of Sand’s soul.

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Thank you. People can do things that appear objectively wrong but subjectively they might not be morally guilty.

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+Pat, you are to be commended for your empathy and warmth in dealing with those brave men. They were without question, men of very strong values and principles, who believed in the principles of equality, freedom and the right to self-determination. It’s appalling that other clergy could not be as Christ like as you are, though observing many of the clergy in D&C, it’s clear that they wish to become members of the oppressive English establishment. How wonderful that, Bobby Sands, a true son and patriot of Ireland has become such a symbol across the world. Having tried every option at his disposal, he laid down his most precious life for the sake of Ireland. I strongly doubt that, Ireland has come to terms with the full heroic story of the Hunger Strikers and their most noble of causes, despite what some may claim, they were not failures but have much yet to contribute to the liberation of this country from our so called colonial overlords. There will be no question that Sands did open his eyes again and beheld the loving gaze of the one who knew him better than he knew himself. May all the hunger strikers rest of perpetual peace, without them there would be no peace on our great island.

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Oh dear, sounds as though the letter writer here was treading on dangerous territory. I think I’ve learned, especially from the news of the last few days about the encounter between Lady Susan Hussey and the Sistah Space (really ?!) one, to be very careful asking anyone of any difference where they are from ! You have to be so cautious these days. Any misstep, even any perception of one gets you labelled as racist, and once that accusation is made it sticks and you can’t wiggle free from it. Ms Sistah Space knows this and knows the power it gives her. So, I’m not surprised that the Sistah Space one took offence and acted on it, not because of the awkward missteps of an 83 year old, but because I reckon she’s on the lookout for perceived outrage and offence all the time and knows that it will put her in the centre of attention and bestow on her power and influence. I doubt if Sistah Space is a very comfortable place, especially if you are white, male, straight, in work, fluent, capable and reasonably able and normal. Best avoided, I think. Mind you, I think Philip would have put Ms Sistah Space in her place, and she wouldn’t have dared take him on ! But, I guess an 83 year old posh lady is easy prey for Ms Sistah Space. I hope it makes her feel better !

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9:44 It does and so it should. Prince William has confirmed that there is no place for discrimination of any kind including racism in today’s world. The Roman Catholic Church is riddled with old crones similar to Lady Hussey stubbornly convinced that they can continue to get away with breaking the law on behalf of the agenda of their abusive led organisation without legal accountability. The biggest crooks retire citing ill health or old age to escape justice – the very weaknesses they used to exploit others in their own hey day. Their self entitlement knows no boundaries. Prince William is a man of principle who has disowned his godmother, Lady Susan Hussey, as a consequence of her disgraceful bullying of the Head of Sista Space on Tuesday. Good for him.

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10:38 agreed, no place for her bad small minded attitude in today’s multicultural society.

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Your comment @9.44am is dripping with rudeness. You are showing no respect to Ngozi Fulani by calling her Ms Sistah Space. In fact just like Lady Hussey who questioned her for five minutes on where she was from.

With regards to your comment about Sistah Space – have you actually tried to find out what their work is? If not here is what it says on their website SUPPORTING AFRICAN & CARIBBEAN HERITAGE WOMEN AFFECTED BY DOMESTIC & SEXUAL ABUSE

Abuse can be by black, white, or any other colour – and by male and female.

I think the one who is out to find outrage and offence is you.

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She is 83 years of age in an establishment that has always been predominately white.
I have a grandmother a bit like that and she’s in her late 70s if a ball person walked on a room she would take a second look . Not normal for them , not excusing it.theres nothing wrong with asking where they are originally fr from she went over and while it happened on palace grounds it isn’t the royals fault for her stupidity. They wot apologise on her behalf . But remember Megan Saturday n a an Oprah Winfrey interview with Harry and suggested there were racist remarks regarding the child’s colour . They can’t be Seen with two racist scandals . Hence why she was removed it she’s 83 . She was ready to hang her clogs up .eother she gets punishment for something she doesn’t realise was ride or the palace has to take the heat. Simple as.them or her. Politics at its finest.
I do find it hilarious she didn’t realise she was being rude and the leader of the charity club jumped on the ignorance like an innocent lamb to chips (smiley face)

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Without Sinn Fein IRA and all their comrades we would not have peace in NI nor equal rights. Violence does solve issues unfortunately it is the only way sometimes.

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What if it is? She survived the cowardly attempt by PIRA to murder school children just to ‘bag’ a school-bus driver.
Some heroes. And Sands was allied to these ‘heroes’.

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+ Pat, it’s World Aid’s Day, and I would have thought you might have said something about that ? Bobby Sands and the hunger strikers could wait another day, surely ? Anyhow, I think there could be an opportunity here for you to remind the readers of your blog, especially the sexually active clergy, about the responsibility of looking after themselves and others and preventing the transmission of HIV. We are aware that many clerics engage in risky and dangerous behaviour, such as the bareback rawhide activities of Purcell, but there will be many others. They should be reminded that they have a responsibility to themselves and particularly to others in their pursuit of their own pleasure, but that it is easily possible to do, at least in respect of HIV, by accessing easy to use and safe HIV medications, either as PrEp or PEP. The other little itches and rashes and infections they can pick up along the way are not deathly and can be treated. But, catching HIV is serious, and so easily avoided. As is not passing it on to unsuspecting others. If you are careful and take the right medications. However, clerical arrogance, exceptionalism and lack of accountability will make this message difficult to get across to the sexually active clergy. Talking about it on your blog might just knock a few heads together.

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Do we know how many clergy have died of HIV ? Do we know how many priests are currently HIV ? I know three or four for sure, all getting it by lives spent cruising around in lay-bys, woods, saunas and other kinds of casual places. All still a bit full of themselves and arrogant. I sometimes wonder if they have learned a lesson, but doubt it looking at them. What worries me is the danger that they might be putting others at, because they don’t shown any sign of letting up. You can’t talk to them about it, because that risks crossing confidentiality boundaries, and they would just ignore it anyhow. So, I guess blogs like this might get through to them and help knock a few heads together ? But, maybe not. You know what clergy are like !

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10.27: Yours is a very partisan, bigoted comment. What worries me are the risks taken by married men who don’t have any care for their partners or families. Any port in a storm for them. As for promiscuous gay men in general, they ought to know the risks and exercise moral norms. Priests are at risk of receiving fatal infections too from meeting men so casually. ALL who engage in free for all sexual activity are endangering one another. Let’s be honest and truthful.

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10.27: Rather revealing about your activities! You seem well acquainted with hook up venues. Have you caught something yet?

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Anonymous at 10:27 I can tell you for a fact that exactly zero clergy have died of HIV.
You’re welcome.

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REPLY TO;Anonymoussays:
Dec 1, 2022 at 10:27 am
Well said! Just the other day on this blog, we had a man bragging about his duplicitous double bisexual life. I commented on how horrible it is for anyone one who is bisexual and, does not take precaution to prevent the spread of HIV, a chronic illness, is unforgivable. I stick to that statement.
Pat you say you forgive the person that you contracted your condition from, you are a far more charitable person than I could ever be.
Because we don’t know of Roman Catholic priests dying from AIDS doesn’t mean it doesn’t occur, they don’t have supernatural immunity, no more than ourselves.They are as susceptible as the rest of us.
Priests are human beings first, and, priest later, and are subjected to every weaknesses, foibles, illnesses as we are.
Prayer is no protector of disease.
1)
Hundreds of priests in the U.S. die of AIDS – Tampa Bay Timeshttps://www.tampabay.com › archive › 2000/01/30 ›
2)
The Untold Stories of AIDS and the Catholic Churchhttps://religionandpolitics.org › 2022 › January › 18
3)
Priest With AIDS–‘It’s Important That People Know’https://www.latimes.com › archives › la-xpm-1987-02-16…
16 Feb 1987
ECT, ECT, ECT.

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10:02 deviant clergy have zero regard for the safety of others – after all the Roman Catholic Church has a long history of endangering others at will. Hundreds of thousands of women and children and vulnerable persons have suffered and died at the hands of these wolves in sheep’s clothing to date and ongoing. A danger to society.

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10.02: Pat shoukd highlight the dangers if careless sexual encounters. That danger can befall anyine, not just clergy. Pat has the experience and knowledge. The danger of any sexually transmitted diseases is the risk taken by those who are sexually irresponsible and whose sexual appetites are insatiable. Many still take risks despite warnings. I had a gay friend who had a long term partner but he met other men, mostly married, as often as he could. Not right. Pat will need to pitch his message not just at clergy but at a much wider constituency – married men, gay men in relationships, single men…

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10.50: Absolutely correct. Many married men seem to be bisexial….or are fully gay but trapped in marriage. Their behaviour in seeking gay sex is reckless as they can pass on infections to their partners. It’s not noble nor commendable…however strong the urge.

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10.50 A long time ago I knew a clergyman who told a number of us that he was no better than we were, because of claimed (and unsuitable) details which he described while attempting to also implicate someone else vulnerable. At the time we wondered whether he was trying to i, pull us down ii, kid us into thinking we had an officially endorsed and holy carte blanche iii, start a semi-public and mutually demeaning confession craze. He had been trained in all this partly abroad, and partly by others trained abroad. Come to think of it, we were indeed being given an officially endorsed and holy carte blanche, bravely opposed by the bishop of the place at the time and his successor. (I’ve no idea whether that padre is alive these days, I’m not much interested.)

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Correct, 12.17.

Do you recall the commenter ‘Flurry Gin’. He posted here earlier this year. He boasted of heterosexual married men who had ‘entered’ him.

This revolting excuse for a human being (and an ex-seminarian) actually defended helping these men to cheat on their wives by claiming that his liaisons were secret and, therefore, hurt no one.

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It is also the 20th anniversary of Girls Aloud, and what a career they have had, RIP Sarah Harding, taken far too young

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Can lesbians catch hiv or is it only gay men? I don’t know much about it but there is always a scream about it at this time of year.

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Lovely day isn’t it?
Interesting blog today. ‘Where the people are, the priest should be standing with them in solidarity.’

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I think, if he was alive today, and because he was a noble and principled man, Bobby Sands would support the cry (for it is a cry) for the remains of Captain Robert Nairac to be returned to his family so that he could receive the basic human right of burial, in his case, a Catholic burial.

There are people alive who know where his remains are – Bishop Pat would you support a campaign to have his remains returned to his family and would you conduct his burial?

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11.59: Pat, YOU are not GOD either. You play HIS role all the time with everyone. Fact is, Bobby Sands chose to die by suicide. God still is merciful.

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12:13
” Judge not and you will not be judged…”
How do you know what was going on in the life, mind, heart and conscience of Bobby Sands, or anyone else who apparently commits suicide. God only knows the number of people who committed suicide
as a direct consequence of clerical sexual abuse. All the hierarchy now
do is make life more difficult for genuine survivors.Their empty hollow apologies are a public relations exercise, a stunt, a lame effort to appease public outrage, an attempt at damage limitation. They couldn’t give a damn, and are in no position to preach on justice, sexual morality, or
much of the gospel, with credibility.
Bobby Sands had faith, principles and values, unlike so many hypocrites
in the hierarchy and clergy who do absolutely nothing to lift
the burden of those abused by clerics and institutional church lackies.
You could do with not playing God or weaponizing today’s blog in an attempt to score points against Pat.

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1.15
The poster at 12.13 said absolutely NOTHING about the state of Bobby Sand’s soul.
Learn to understand.

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RCC public relations stunts are examples of my arse/ministry of diplomacy in action.

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1:39
The poster @ 12:13, probably you, claimed Bishop Buckley plays
the role of God all the time with everyone. Are you, or 12:13, privy to
all interactions and conversations Bishop Buckley has with everyone!
Are you or 12:13 the Holy Spirit? I suggest anger towards Bishop Buckley is clouding judgement. Both 12:13 & 1:39 sound very like patronizing Padraig.

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1.15: You’re very good at attributing things to me which I never said or intimated. You’re very confused and given to largesse of hyperbole!

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If only we would follow the teachings of Jesus where we genuinely care for each other. The ego gets in the way and need of control becomes paramount to many leaders in our earthly world. Its all about the self and now we have a proper mess of war hatred and a person to be held in higher esteem over another. We should all be equal to each other with whatever gifts god has given us. It is a shame and a sin to hear that a bishop or cleric living ialone in a mansion when so many are homeless.The vatican needs to go back to basics and sell off the material wealth and then they may be able to lead us in the spiritual wealth of Jesus.

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3:35
Which is exactly what you do; you attribute to others in a sneaky manipulative deceitful manner; you also patronize. Now you’re
engaging in projection. You seem to have anger issues with Bishop
Pat.The Brotherhoods lack of credibility is completely due to themselves.

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1:15 I am no lackey, my priest is very grateful for the help I give him in the local church. How dare you.

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I’m grateful Bishop Pat – I visited the Maze before the Good Friday Agreement and paid my respects in the cell that dear Bobby died.
I spent some time with the IRA- because they were political prisoners I was handed over into their care – the deputy leader of the IRA was a lovely man called Arthur – I forget his surname.
I knew Captain Nairacs father – he was an ophthalmic surgeon and was a very fine and dignified man.
Captain Nairac very likely was no saint but he is a beloved son and brother and died (even his captors admit this) with great courage and dignity.
I believe that the men at the top of the IRA – Gerry Adams, Martin McGuiness (a giant of a man) and Bobby Sands are decent men and now the fog of war has lifted this act of reparation. the dignified burial of Captain Nairac, would be a gesture of mercy and compassion rising above sectarianism and its divide and beyond which would bring healing and peace.
I have always admired profoundly both Booby Sands and Captain Robert Nairac now no longer enemies but brothers in the peace of Christ.
Thank you Bishop Pat you too are a good man and that you would be willing to bury poor Captain Nairac is a true sign of Cristian compassion.
Bobby Sands – may he rest in peace, God have mercy.
Captain Robert Nairac, may he rest in oeace, God have mercy.

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Not going to happen. Sure the dogs on the street know that Nairac was put through a tree grinder. Disgraceful

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Probably.
This is how much the Irish respect human life. They have no right at all to complain about abortion.

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12.25: Did you visit the graves of all who were murdered violently by Sands’s political masters? Do you care about the disappeared whom Bobby’s apparatchiks brutalized? I bet you didn’t. Disgusting.

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5.35: Another ridiculous comnent. When you are confronted by TRUTH you resort to your usual ad hominem diatribe. You can’t even comment intelligently. I dint have anger issues with anyine but I will state my objections to Pat when necessary. You seem to have difficulty in discerning rightful commentary from aggressive nonsense. Now, go play with your teddy!!

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6:46
Confronted by TRUTH…as expounded in your comment @ 12:13! Lol.
Don’t be so silly.You resort to ad hominen attacks evidenced in your comments. Please take ownership of your projections.

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Mention yesterday of Fintan et al meeting their Waterloo. Is something big coming? Any blogs on it Pat?

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Please, we’ve been hearing about this alleged ‘waterloo’ for months. There is nothing there, nothing to see or hear. Give it a rest

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1.22 I cannot answer your query to Pat but I can tell you that the evidence received after nearly a three month wait was very enlightening and warrants further action by the person whose personal data has been treated in a most inappropriate manner. I might add that it’s not just ‘Killaloe Corporation’ that have landed themselves in hot water but also a certain guesthouse in Co. Limerick.

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Display on here for the rest that haven’t a clue And let me be the judge of your situation and query or what your implying ,I am entitled too ,your exaggerating and insinuating without facts and evidence provided .. Should be an interesting one.
If I’m wrong ,sue me 😀

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My response to you is borrowed from the blog commentator at 9:32 pm:
‘You need to be the one to prove them wrong.’

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1.13pm
The dogs on the street don’t know where Captain Nairacs body is and neither do you – what we do know for sure is that his corpse was. nor put through a meat grinder. A myth put out in the hope to deflect – it didn’t.
Captain Nairacs reamanis were v likely buried a number of times – v likely in Co Louth and likely not far from where he was killed.
One day, it will happen, one day his remains will be found. I believe that to be true.

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C’mon, Pat! There’s a massive moral difference between laying down one’s life for others, and TAKING one’s life for others.
Sands didn’t lay down his life for anyone, even for himself: instead, he took his own life. Suicide.
Sands’ didn’t lay down his life: he TOOK it. Suicide. This cannot be compared with Jesus’ selfless action on Calvary.

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@2.09 Pat – Erm, there is a more than a slight different between Sands’s and Jesus’s death. The comparison is ridiculous.

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2.09: Pat, what theologically bankrupt and erroneous claims about Jesus!! God sent Jesus into the world so that we might have have life in him (God) and that we might know the depth of his love. The consequence of Jesus’s selfless outpouring of his life for the good of others ultimately brought him to the cross. OUT OF LOVE….OUT OF TOTAL SELF GIVING IN SERVICE OF OTHERS. B. Sands chose to die his way. Absolutely no comparison with JESUS. None. What erroneous thinking.

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Martin@ 3:25. I’d be much obliged if you could provide a comment here to validate any of your propositions @ 3:25, apart from that relating to B. Sands. It’s the God & Jesus bits I’m interested in.
Please avoid referring to any highly questionable scriptural texts: their lack of provenance invalidates their worth, as does any “personal beliefs ” you may have.
Validation and proof would be welcomed……from you Martin, ….or anybody.
Thanks

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Martin@3:25. I’m still waiting, from you, ……or anybody.
No matter how many we sceptics challenge you believers to validate your beliefs, to offer ANY proofs for the validity of religious propositions, ………….. you all are conspicuously silent.
Quelle surprise!
Are you all dumbstruck,…….or just cowardly clinging on to ingrained hopeful beliefs? Maybe you’re afraid to even think for yourselves, or even engage in any debate which might threaten your comfort blanket , ……of being one of the chosen ones to enter those Heavenly Gates?

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Bobby Sands blatantly didn’t commit suicide he was on hunger strike in protest at not being treated as a political prisoner.
Of course political action, a hunger strike, throwing oneself in front of a horse etc can result in loss of life – this loss isn’t the taking of a life but the giving up a life for a movement or a cause.

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Interesting stuff today about gay, bi, married, men who have sex with men etc, and HIV, infections, responsibility or lack of it etc. My view is that sexual activity for the most part is a moral free zone. Perfectly natural, part of our inclination, just like eating, sleeping, or shitting. The act itself is morally free. It’s the peripheries of the act that lead in to ethical and moral territory. How it affects others, how it is in line, or not, with relationships already established and vowed, how it can lead to disease transmission. These are the things that need to be thought about carefully. In the context of priests engaging in anonymous and promiscuous sex, the emphasis should be, perhaps, on what this does to their professed relationship of fidelity, loyalty and celibacy to the Church and to the faithful. Seems to me that it drives a horse and cart through those. We know that already. In a more particular context of today’s discussion, namely HIV, clergy have the same responsibility to ensure not only their own sexual health but, also perhaps even more importantly, the sexual health of those with whom they engage. There is a definitely a moral judgement to be made there if they are casual, careless and irresponsible. As there is for married me who have sex with other men. That is why the call earlier for men who have sex with men, who are promiscuous, and who engage in casual anonymous encounters, should seriously consider the aides that are available to them to help minimise the dangers. PrEP and PEP. Or abstinence ! Those would be good moral choices. The issue of their relationships and loyalties is another matter, but at least ensuring that they were not a physical danger to their loved ones would be a good start.

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Stories re rcc kept giving us more and more.
From these stories on this blog and elsewhere on the Internet, I have to conclude that rcc was/is a criminal organisation especially at the top. They get away with murder umpteen times. Recent Netflix documentary on girl age 15 as her friend said he’s much closer to PVI.
As far as I’m aware that UN have banned the Vatican, just an observer status.

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4pm Only God really knows how many innocents have been exploited, manipulated, abused, slandered, libelled and they & family injured or murdered by members of the Roman Catholic Church. They will never be held to account for forging travel documents of mother & baby home children trafficked abroad to their unvetted networks in return for payment or for continuing to send child maintenance invoices to single mothers working in England falsely leading them to believe there might be an opportunity to get their child back. Deprived cruelty and blatant dishonesty via the brides and grooms of Christ.

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@ 5:05 pm
” Shite would be a spelling matter.” “Shiite would be the correct spelling.”

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Jesus, knew no sin, an innocent Lamb of God, became as sin to reconcile us to the Father.
Poor Bobby Sands, like us all fallen and frail, yet courageous and noble died for his cause, I believe a just cause.
Jesus’ death on the cross is unique it cannot be compared to any other no matter how noble.

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https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/courts/victim-loses-high-court-battle-to-establish-whether-paedophile-priest-was-informer-42188363.html
VICTIM LOSES HIGH COURT BATTLE TO ESTABLISH WHETHER PAEDOPHILE PRIEST WAS INFORMER
Alan Erwin
December 01 2022.
“A victim of paedophile priest Malachy Finnegan has lost a High Court battle to establish if he was a police informer. The man challenged the PSNI’s policy of neither confirming nor denying the deceased cleric’s suspected role as an agent. But a judge rejected claims that the force had adopted an inflexible position in breach of human rights.”

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8:31 Seminarian Mark Nestor, a former Clare County Councillor, was sent to Valladolid in Spain in September 2022 by Diocese of Killaloe.

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This Irish seminarian was being hassled by Fr Paul Farrar and the hate campaign operated by gay Mafia and their supporters in Valladolid seminary. It begs the obvious question as to why any gay person would join a Roman Catholic seminary when Pope Francis has reconfirmed yet again that homosexuality is against the specific rules of the Roman Catholic religion. It is most unreasonable for these seminary thugs and bullies to gang up on well intentioned seminarians who are committed to keeping to the teachings of the Roman Catholic religion. It’s clear that the corruption and the gay Mafia are destroying the RCC from the inside out.

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You would be surprised what people would be prepared to go through or the lengths they would go too for a belief or a principle . Provided it’s in good faith and harming no one except themselves.
This is not about Bobby.
Or raving lunatics ranting.
Remember the refugees in the system here for years back yrs ago they took to the church starving themselves on hunger strikes to make a point they got no where. All over the news , to highlight how the system let them down . Bring them here But let them rot Yrs trapped in a pit waiting for acceptance into society . They were frustrated. Government committed but didn’t follow through.
Remember the woman from cork who walked half the country to get her daughter medically approved for cannabis treatment for her child who was having multiple seizures a day . She got it in the end , it wasn’t the walk that got the government to make an exception for her , it was the publicity surrounding it.
History says a lot of things and speaks volumes .
United we can make changes, divided we can’t.
But if history says anything and speaks it’s only takes one to make a change or dare try.
The system is corrupt and frustrating , guardai ,health system , church .
‘Its not what you know it’s who you know mentality and yes it’s a factor.
You need to be the one to prove them wrong.
Good for him he stood up for what he believed.

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A quote from Blanketmen by Richard O’Rawe:
‘I had to get the death notice ready for the local paper. I wanted to highlight Bobby’s philosophy of life: They have nothing in their whole imperial arsenal that can break the spirit of one Irishman who doesn’t want to be broken.
Bobby had drawn this quote from Leon Uris’s novel Trinity and adopted it as his own.’

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Acknowledging your achievements pat to celebrities. I suppose you will say your hilighting their plights.
Shame Michael flatley didn’t acknowledge you on the late late show within a week after the funeral you celebrated that he attended. Apparently you did a great service. I have no doubt.
I’m sore this won’t be approved either.

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Ah lads I can’t , I can give an intellectual response or a simple ‘cop on’ it’s like the never ending headache for the repetitive three wheeled bitter busers ,special folks ,simple as that .
Good night and godbless
Peace out folks x

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