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JOHN PAUL II WAS NO SAINT!

Evidence suggests Pope John Paul II knew about abuse of minors decades before becoming pope

JOHN PAUL II IN 1958

https://nltimes.nl/2022/12/03/evidence-suggests-pope-john-paul-ii-knew-abuse-minors-decades-becoming-pope

A Dutch journalist based in Poland revealed evidence on Friday that Pope John Paul II was involved in covering up the abuse of minors while he was the Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Krakow. The journalist, Ekke Overbeek, spent the last two years combing through archives in Poland, where he resides, and found several cases where the prominent Catholic Church figure knew about priests who abused children and helped them evade punishment, including transferring them to other parishes.

He found concrete cases of priests who abused children in the Archdiocese of Krakow, where the future pope was archbishop. The future pope knew about it and nevertheless transferred those men. That led to new victims,” Overbeek said to Nieuwsuur. The journalist studied publicly available documents from the secret services about the future pope from during his time living and working in Poland. He wrote a book about his findings, Maxima Culpa, which will be published next year in Polish.

University of Warsaw professor Stanislaw Obirek, believe the documents to be authentic. So does Tom Doyle, the American priest who wrote the 1985 report. It is said that Pope Francis was warned about the possibility that Pope John Paul II knew about abuse and helped covered it up, but Francis canonized the man as a saint anyway.

“We now know that Wojtyła actively covered up pedophile crimes committed by priests under his jurisdiction,” Professor Obirek told Nieuwsuur. “That is a new chapter, a first step. We will see how the church will react.”

“The reasoning of the church – of the defenders of the pope – boils down to the fact that he could not have known. That he learned of the seriousness of the situation very late and that he first thought it was America’s problem. All those arguments can now be dismissed,” Overbeek said. “They were in a great hurry to canonize John Paul II. And now you see facts emerging from those Polish archives that are very incriminating and can therefore actually cast doubt on his sainthood.”

PAT SAYS

In the Roman Catholic Church EVERYTHING INCLUDING CANONIZATION is political!

To my mind, John Paul II was a fascist clerical bully.

He gave total cover to Macial Maciel the Mexican founder of the Legionaries of Christ who has been exposed as a swindler, drug addict and serial child abuser.

Maciel

Maciel gave multi millions to JOHN POLE that made its way to Poland.

It is no surprise to learn that THE POLE covered up sex abuse in his own country.

It was for this reason that he became a bishop and climbed to the top.

God Himself only knows what other secrets are in his cupboard?

The RCC used to claim that the popewas the Vicar of Christ on earth.

They will soon claim that God is the Vicar of the Pope in Heaven!

All man made nonsense.

And all to make the Cathbots behave like rabbits caught in headlights!

124 replies on “JOHN PAUL II WAS NO SAINT!”

Like every bishop did.
Can anyone name a single one who picked up the phone to the police?
This means every priest was ordained by a man covering up crime.

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Do you believe that Pope Francis did not protect pedophile roman catholic priests where he is coming from? That’s why they keep and protect their cardinals no matter how they deal with children’s sexual abuse and molestation in their Dioceses… This is the way how we keep chains, and walls, strong from outsiders… Keep the sh*t and the smell safe… We do have immunity!!!

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12:38 If you’re asking me that question (I’m 10:40) I think my original comment indicates that of course I don’t.

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Reply to;Anonymoussays:
Dec 3, 2022 at 10:40 pm
What is even more significant from Catholicism’s view is, JP2 covered up the mortal sins of others. He is no more a saint than I am, underhanded, deceitful, and a protector of serial sexual abusers.
If someone seems to be too good to be true they probably are.
Many of those he protected, were prolific fundraisers for the Roman Church, they say ever man has his price………….
1)Maciel: The Child-Rapist John Paul II Loved And Protected – The …https://www.theatlantic.com › archive › 2010/04 › maciel-…
2)
Theodore McCarrick: Vatican admits Pope John Paul II … – CNNhttps://www.cnn.com › 2020/11/10 › europe › cardinal-th…
10 Nov 2020 — The late Pope John Paul II was warned about allegations of sexual impropriety by Theodore McCarrick, but chose to promote him to Archbishop …
3)Vatican report casts dark shadow on Pope John Paul II – DWhttps://www.dw.com › vatican-report-on-sexual-abuse-c…
11 Nov 2020 — Pope John Paul II promoted disgraced former US cardinal Theodore McCarrick for years despite reports of sexual abuse. A new report details …

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All man made nonsense, you observe Pat! How true! All religious beliefs are fairy tales. You must realise this too. Your own professed religious theories/beliefs are as groundless as those of any mainstream church. I cannot rationally or critically accept your religious theories nor those of all whom you despise or condemn. All religious leaders/bishops, independent ones too, are fake and prey on people’s fears and vulnerabilities. Look at the proliferation of “televagelists” in the USA. Look at religion in general…

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You’re talking nonsense, and you’ll find that out when you die.

Jesus will have the last laugh.

As for you, it’ll be ‘shit. I was wrong! 🤣

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‘My imaginary friend will fry you’.
Whereas
God is love. 1 John 4:17.
See, they don’t even believe their religion themselves, it’s just a way to browbeat people.

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Oi! Did I say he would fry? No, I didn’t.
But Jesus will have a good laugh at yer man’s bake when he realises that he was talking bollox all along.

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ODE TO 10:55.
Your laughing Jesus: what a man!
Died for love, are you a fan?
To show his love, …. that’s why he died?
Must I believe, or end up fried?
Is that what’s known as ‘cathbot think’?
How low can you go with such a stink?
Love your God. He’s such a swell.
And if I don’t, I’ll go to Hell?
I’m really worried about this all seeing loving almighty God of yours, waiting in the wings to burn up all us unbelievers so his wee fella can have the last laugh 😂😈🥳

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Yes there is and it’s the power of Love where we care for each and communicate so that we can live in perfect harmony with each other. I believe this love grows from our daily caring interactions with other and these actions are what Jesus means in do this in memory of me.
Too much time is spent in arguing what way the mass should be celebrated.

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Day after day, more and more facts are being revealed worldwide. My elderly family members think Pope John Paul II is a saint.

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That’s why religion makes such a good front for crime: people can’t believe it.
The only explanation which makes sense of the RC organization is that it is a criminal organization running a fake religion as a front and if you belong to it you’re either a criminal or a dupe.

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The theory some proffer is that the Communists sometimes framed priests, which is true, but not to the extent that the future JP2 pushed to his outbox. Some also say saints could be incompetent in some things of the world, which is true too, but JP2 wasn’t one bit incompetent with ensuring cashflow and gangsters like Paul Card. Macinkus (whom actual mafioso admired and inwardly admitted they were his inferiors) was there to give matters a needed edge, when required.

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More and more revelations of the totally corrupt and self serving nature of the RCC emerge daily. The majority of Catholic parishioners simply have no idea of the reality that they unthinkingly follow the requirements of their church of origin: do what we say, and pay up and shut up.
It’s said that knowledge is power.
+Pat’s blog is a valuable source of information. But how could knowledge of the RCC ‘s disgusting actions be made more widely available?
On the micro/personal level, just stop contributing to RCC coffers.
But what can be done on a wider level?
MMM

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Reply to; Anonymoussays:
Dec 3, 2022 at 11:55 pm
The problem there is, many Roman Catholic don’t want to know, they don’t want the burden of making a decision on discovering the organisation they are following since the cradle, is completely corrupt. I doubt if many Catholics don’t know, at least some of the corruption that’s engulfed the Roman Catholic church over the last 40-50 years.
Both my sisters will have none of it criticised, one will continue to insist on sending money to religious orders in exchange for prayers, even though I point out the cesspit many of those communities are.
Fear is a powerful weapon, and, as I have pointed out many times, immortal life is so attractive to some, the allure is too great to stir the muddy waters.

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You would think the experts in humanity would be able to tell us instead of asking.

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1:49 Almost one third of foster carers in the Mid West of Ireland had no supervisory visits for up to a year while investigations into protection and welfare concerns about children in care were significantly delayed.
Contact Bernie English, Limerick Post Newspaper
Email. bernie@limerickpost.ie

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A meeting of Gamblers Anonymous takes place every Thursday from 7:30pm to 8:30pm in Clarecare, Harmony Row, Ennis, Co. Clare.

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11:56 people should stop drinking alcohol and betting on horses and go to mass.

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To support ‘father’s alcoholism, betting addiction and Grindr and OnlyFans subscriptions.

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Risk taker
I am not sure if this post is genuine – but I will take a risk and turn up. I like a gamble !

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5:31 Are ya lost, Father?? This is Bishop Pat Buckley’s blog that exposes crime, corruption & criminality in the Roman Catholic Church worldwide, not Grindr or the Boiler Rooms App!

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5:21 yes, we meet every week James. You will be made most welcome any time – we are near Colaiste Mhuire Secondary School and the town library.

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Jesus spoke through Pope Francis when the latter, acting ex cathedra, declared John Paul II a Saint.
Ex cathedra acts are binding on the Faithful.

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Of the remaining four accused monks, two had left the Benedictines and Glenstal, while the other two were still there.
The NBSC review found that “in the case of one of these, the allegations made by a third party have been found to have no basis in fact and appear to have been completely malicious. No complainant has been identified”.
Regarding the sixth monk about whom child safeguarding concerns arose, the review found: “The matters complained of happened in another jurisdiction almost 45 years ago and have been fully investigated by the civil authorities there and full information has been shared with An Garda Síochána and the HSE in Ireland.” He “is subject to a supervision contract which restricts his movements and activities”.
https://uk.knews.media/news/abuse-of-pupils-at-glenstal-abbey-school-in-co-limerick-involved-two-monks-the-irish-times/

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5:17 that’s the silver spoon well connected elites riding roughshod over the rest of society as per usual. Disgusting two faced types.

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5:17 these dodgy types with influential family and friends milk it big time.

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The game is up
They may as well jump in the river
When the sainthood of John Paul II is revoked.

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What a disgusting picture of Maciel being blessed by the Pope. And all the time, Maciel, an evil man, was using and abusing people. And JP II will have known about it. About the same time the new President of the United States Bishops’ Conference, Broglio, was personal secretary to Cardinal Sodano, JP’s Secretary of State. And this at at time when stuff about Maciel was known, but being covered up. Broglio would have known something. He just brushed off any knowledge he had and any connivance in what Maciel was up to by saying that it was easy to have 20/20 hindsight ! He knew ! He did nothing ! Many others will have known too, but chose to look the other way. Many of them will be senior people still making important decisions and still in authority.

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….Because JP, Sodano, Broglio et al were more interested in the money that Maciel was bringing in for them than they were in any wrongdoing or abuse or the hurt of the victims…..I suggest you watch that space with Broglio who has in the past tried to transfer blame for the clergy abuse scandal to homosexual priests…classic scapegoating and transference by a man who is well skilled in doing that…..he evidently learned something when he was training to be a Vatican diplomat.

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Nothing is what it seems in the RCC
Lies, deflection, harrassment, bribery, slander, defamation of whistleblowers including Dom Benedict Andersen
Daily media revelations across the world
Their vast Buildings may be coated in gold, but their hearts and souls are coated in evil treachery against vulnerable children and adults.

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That was how to navigate corporate sustainability, I mean to say. Church Triumphal and gender theology were built on the private parts of children. Bad news for our lives.

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Yet again, Satan, and his earthly agents, attack the Church by putting the boot into a sainted man’s holy memory.
Shame on you all! I say SHAME!
Pope Saint John Paul the Great II lives on in the highest echelons of Heaven and has the ear of God himself.
Watch out all of you that this holy Pope does not petition God to visit his wrath upon you. Watch out.

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9:30 Satan visits Earth in the form of a paedophile & protector and the Roman Catholic Church have been repeatedly proven to protect and cover for him – worldwide – shame on you all indeed.

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Anon@9:30. Comments like yours indicate a set of beliefs for which there is absolutely no evidence. This causes me to wonder at the thought processes and educational experience of such believers. Discussing religious matters with such believers has revealed shallowness and an inability to consider matters outside a straitjacket of indoctrinated blind faith. Maybe you’re an exception?
Perhaps you could provide some evidence concerning John Paul to back up your comments?
MMM

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Yes, I can provide the evidence you seek, but you won’t believe it.
The Pope is infallible when acting ex cathedra. Pope Francis, acting ex cathedra, canonised Pope JP II. Ergo, JP II is a saint and in Heaven.
The dogma of the Communion of Saints requires all Catholics to pray to the saints for favours. What is the point of praying to them if they don’t have God’s ear.

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Anon @ 11:46.
And this is “evidence”! 🤣🥱
Do you have ANY understanding of the indoctrinated blind faith I referred to. Is that straitjacket I referred to really very tight?
MMM

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Anonymous at 11:46 is trolling the blog but it’s amusing me because even though they’re pretending they’re illustrating the ignorance of catlicks to perfection, even ignorance of their own ‘faith’.
MMM Surely you know that there have only been two ex cathedra statements ever, even if 11:46 claims not to? x

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‘Watch out all of you that this holy Pope does not petition God to visit his wrath upon you.’
Roman Catholics are such thoroughly unpleasant, violent people.

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11:38 they become even more intensely unpleasant and violent when any suggestion of liquidating Church assets to ensure victims & survivors left to rot waiting might have some quality of life for whatever is left of their remaining years is made.

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9:30 in your view (or perhaps the view you’re claiming for the sake of a comment here) do bishops who cover up child sexual abuse burn in hell for eternity?

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3:13 And what if they’re killed instantaneously in a freak accident without time for an act of contrition?
And what if they’re not contrite?
Will they go to hell then?

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Anonymoussays:
Dec 4, 2022 at 9:30 am
He is no saint , more fool you if you believe it.
How do you know he is in heaven ?
All the crimes of mortal sin he hid, all the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHILDREN, he stood back from, and ignored, the physical, psychological, sexual and SPIRITUAL damage inflicted on those children. Protecting ROMAN CATHOLIC CHILDRENS’S Of course as long as their children or, their family were not abused, it does not affect them. I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land, and refusing to face reality.

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Jesus is clear. In the Gospel, he says that whatever his followers consider a sin, Heaven will consider a sin. By implication, whatever his followers consider NOT a sin, Heaven will do likewise.
Pope St John Paul II, the Great, manifestly did NOT consider protecting paedophile/ephebophile priests to be a sin, THEREFORE nor did Heaven.
What Pope John Paul II, the Great, allegedly did in Poland in those times is of no moral consequence. He is a great Saint.

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3.22
You misunderstand and misinterpret the expressions bind on earth and lo loose on earth.
Your paraphrase is inaccurate.

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3:22 is interesting because it’s in complete opposition to the Catholic faith where things are objectively sins because it’s a revealed religion.

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Is there a ritual for ‘decanonising’ a ‘saint’? Methinks they are gonna have to come up with one now. 😀
This info casts enormous doubt on the entire pantheon of romanist saints.

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These comments about St JP II are deeply unfair. The man was a cleric in a communist country, Poland, and he believed that the communists were made up all these allegations against priests to discredit Christianity.

Cut the man some slack, fhs!

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The ‘cleric in a communist country’ excuse does not wash. He had to have known considering all bishops worldwide were instructed by Rome on procedures in cases of solicitation in both 1922 and in 1962. According to Fr. Tom Doyle, Pope John Paul II was handed a copy of a report
known as ‘The Manual’ by American Papal Nuncio in 1985. That report was written by Fr. Tom Doyle, Fr. Michael Peterson and lawyer, Ray Mouton. It was also sent to every bishop in America. The document examined medical and legal issues of the paedophilia cases and warned of a national scandal if the hierarchy did not adopt a sound policy. The report was ignored. The fallout continues…

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He was just doing the right thing at the time. Back then we didn’t know that paedophilia amongst clergy was wrong and rife; leave him be and let us all learn from previous mistakes and move on. My Lord has forgave me for my trespasses.

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Seriously? Doing the right thing at the right time, because JP II didn’t know that kiddy fiddling was wrong? WTF?!

So, why on earth did he do anything at ALL if he thought there was nothing wrong with kiddy fiddling by priests? Why wasn’t his attitude ‘boys will be boys’, and smile indulgently?

You complete asshole! Of course JP II knew it was wrong, which is precisely why he took the inadequate course he did and WHY he didn’t report it to the police… to prevent public scandal and to avoid giving the communists a weapon against the Church.

That bastard’s priority wasn’t the safety of children from predatory priests, but protecting the reputation of his evil cult!

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I went to a Catholic school and know the church teaches genital sex is only okay with your spouse. Everything else isn’t allowed in their worldview.
I love the way they’re so desperate they make out these men didn’t know it was wrong. 😂

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You’re the ‘asshole’, 10.39.

Pope John Paul II thought that priests’ interfering with children was symptomatic of psychological illness rather than a moral aberration. He thought those priests were sick, and so he saw nothing wrong with treating them as he did.

By the standard of the time, he wasn’t covering up, but acting with compassion. Are you capable of understanding this? You are judging him with the benefit of hindsight. Karol W. did NOT act imorally back then.

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In which case, Benedict has a lot of punishment to suffer, since this odious little hypocrite kept a very tight lid on reports of sexual abuse when he headed the CDF.

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Reply to;Fr Forgivenesssays:
Dec 4, 2022 at 10:06 am
We may not have know about the cancerous paedophilia and, ephebophilia, which is/was running rife in the Roman Catholic priesthood however, HE DID. There is no excuse for his egregious choices, he was so very wrong, as are the two Popes who succeed him.
I wonder if you would be so charitable if someone authority in secular society behave in the same laissez faire attitude of JP2.?

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Once you have a generation of leaders covering up you create a generation who will act with impunity.

But how do you get a generation of leaders who cover up… except by generations before then building up the culture.

And none of them predicted a generation would invent social media that would give ordinary people a voice.

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Finally someone with some historical sense comments here.
This is why Vatican 2 is a complete red herring in the history here. When you look at the history and ignore everything about Vatican 2 the situation was set up for the crisis well before Vatican 2, and it was the internet/media that caused people to put two and two together.
Otherwise the church would have continued to make out that father was an odd bad apple, as they had done since at least the eleventh century.

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The materialist Pius X’s frequent eucharist fixation presaged the present ruination. His predecessor Leo had wanted us to trust Holy Spirit.

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Is it true that canonisations are irreversible because they are items of dogma and binding on the Faithful?

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I hope this is true because if it means they’re stuck with a kiddy fiddler protector who’s been raised to the altars, it’s another way the public can know what it’s really about.

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Quelle surprise re JPII, something that I didn’t expect out of blue.

Some people called him JPII the great which I didnt agree cos I thought it went too far this time around as it got me booted out of die hard Catholic forums.

The reason that I disagreed was he accepted something like 25M which the Vatican needed badly at that time in return that Marciel not to be DEFROCKED. Sodano knew it as he brought Marciel to jpii at that time.

The impression that I got was jpii won’t defrock or demote him if he received millions coming from a founder of legionnaires of Christ.

Give and take.

That’s how Sodano along with Marciel operated at that time.

Today blog suggests that every Pope must have known the abuses one way or another when he was a priest or Bishop or cardinal before becoming a Pope.

Implications of today blog implies that almost every Pope knew it.

What did they did next is the biggest question when they found out the extent of priestly abuses.

What did they arrive at, what did they did with abusers, did they let them carry on as usual or send them away or DEFROCKED.

Which suggests that JPII’s every decision as a Bishop, cardinal, Pope etc must be scrutinised as to ascertain whether he is a Saint or not.

Otherwise, canonisation process is a fraud .

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‘canonisation process is a fraud .’
Deaf Guy, of course it’s a fraud. Can I suggest if you look at the church expecting fraud and corruption things make much more sense?

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Putin is inflicting atrocities on Ukrainian Citizens on the ground because he is losing the battle against the Ukrainian army. Sounds familiar. Roman Clergy & their networks have always targetted vulnerable children & adults viz a viz various methods of manipulation and exploitation including Irish slave labour concentration camp laundries, rented out farm workers & domestic servants, travel document forgery, child trafficking to unvetted international networks and so on and so on. Blood money sits in Vatican Bank.

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It may sit in the Vatican Bank, and of course obviously Vatican City isn’t in the European Union to avoid their standards for money auditing. However equally in Europe my bet would be it could be in Switzerland or possibly in any country outside of Europe where the cult has a ‘mission’ and which lacks high standards of financial probity.

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Fr forgiveness you should hang your head in shame you immoral bastard – you are probably a paedo sympathiser because you are one

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I was going to visit Krakow next year but after reading this article I will not set foot in the place. This man was animal man and not nice, I denounce my Catholicism immediately

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I am shock and I believe in bishop Buckley report. I denounce pope Poland and you all should to

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Tunde with your attitude I don’t think you would be welcome in Lisburn. It is predominantly a stanch catholic area and you denouncing the faith will not do you and your tribe any favours.

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3:19 Is the daily reminder of how much the paedo protectors & cover up merchants despise the inevitability of justice for victims & survivors.

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JP2 secretary for may years Polish Cardinal Stanisław Dziwisz was just as bad, he was the Archbishop of Krakow at one time and and former papal secretary accused of ignoring sex abuse in Poland, rotten to the core, even though the Vatican cleared him (as it would) in 2022, after all it would look bad for JP2 to have been associated with this criminal for umpteen years of his potificate.
1)Polish cardinal and former papal secretary accused of ignoring sex abuse
NOV 10, 2020 | SOCIETY
2)Polish cardinal accused of ignoring sex abuse cleared of …https://notesfrompoland.com › 2022/04/22 › polish-car…
22 Apr 2022
3)News Story of the Day – SNAPhttps://www.snapnetwork.org › news_story_of_the_day
Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, archbishop emeritus of Krakow, was recently pronounced not guilty of negligence in a clergy abuse case in Poland, despite a

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Pat, would it not be fair to say that a person who is not personally prone to deviant sexual behaviour, would find it virtually impossible to grasp the depth and depravity and repetitive nature of anyone possessed of a paedophilic spirit, never mind a clergyman? I can only imagine the lies that someone like John Paul was surrounded by when in office.

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It’s not impossible, it just needs objective assessment and risk assessment.
However the reason Christianity is a magnet for psychopaths is the idea of redemption: you always have the potential to have it forgiven and have another go. To the psychopath this is an open invitation to crime and they will think everyone else is pretending as they are.
NO Christian denomination has got to grips with this interaction between the purpose of the religion and psychopathy: largely because the reality of psychopathy is in complete contradiction with the basic idea of Christianity. It is a terrible judgement that so many children have had their lives ruined in the vain hope that psychopaths won’t psychopath.

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Pat, who are the runners and riders for the D&C job? Surely the list is very long……several insiders such Tim Bartlett and Eugene O’ Neill, along with Bishop Router of Armagh and Joe Mc Guinness of Clogher. Imagine the uproar if the D&C clergy had to take a second Clogher priest as their bishop!!!!

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Good to hear the news that Fr Brian D’Arcy will begin to host Songs of Praise occasionally as opposed to the false divorcee Eamonn Holmes.

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Fr Brian will be a refreshing part of Songs of Praise apart from the sad CofE celebrity stars like Coles and that awful Bottomely woman who started off on Googlebox. Coles has since abandoned ship after making a celebrity name for himself. It is symptomatic of the CofE, false, unreal, all things to all people, swap the goal posts when it suits. Weak and useless. Built on stinking rot and presided over presently by someone who doesn’t even say his prayers.

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7:17 don’t be putting yourself down like that, it’s not good for your self esteem!

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8pm what is the department of agriculture doing to tackle rural crime and trespassing?? – we living in fear down here in Kerry and in other counties. 73 year oldWidow woman Mary Kissane had her pedigree cows worth €10,000 stolen from her shed during the Late Late Toy Show. Ye as bad as the church ye are. Someone is putting them cattle into the food chain same as ye planting paedophile priests in new parishes.

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7:17 Haven’t you read this blog? Real is hardly a word which applies to Roman Catholicism.

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As if Eamon Holmes gives a fig about the rantings and ravings of a bitter and twisted baggy trousered, sometime long skirted aul crook!! 😒

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“The one who only helps and does not worship is a good atheist, nothing more. The one who worships and does not help is a cynic, a liar.”
Pope Francis, 2.December, 2022 to a delegation from the Rabbinic Seminary of Latin America

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Bollocks!
The one who helps is the one who loves. And the one who loves is the one who does the will of the Father.

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Absolutely howling at this rewriting of history.
You do realize every abusive priest passed over Nazinger’s desk in the CDC in the eighties?

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1.40: The only thing Patsy does is throw the gospel messages at everyone else but himself. He’s blind to God…

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/02/lawrence-eghabor-archbishop-gregory-aymond-new-orleans-sexual-harassment
EX-SEMINARIAN ACCUSES NEW ORLEANS ARCHBISHOP OF HARASSMENT IN DECADES-LONG DISPUTE
Ramon Antonio Vargas in New Orleans
Fri 2 Dec 2022
” A former student at a New Orleans college that trains Catholic priests has claimed he was racially and sexually harassed there – including by the city’s current archbishop – as he parries counter-allegations that he is merely trying to extort money and a green card from church officials.
Over two decades, the dispute has drawn attention from Catholic officials at the highest levels in the US and worldwide. But it was not publicly known until it surfaced as part of a chapter 11 bankruptcy case the New Orleans archdiocese opened amid a wave of lawsuits alleging child sexual abuse by clerics across generations.
Despite never interviewing the ex-seminarian, Lawrence Eghabor, or the archbishop, Gregory Aymond, the global Catholic church’s leadership at the Vatican deemed Egbahor’s claims meritless.”

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Absolutely howling at the cathbots diverting to Franky baby, communism and social work because the subject of the blog post is Pope John (my friendship was totally chaste) Pole. 😂
Moral compass my arse.

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Anon@ 4:27.
I don’t howl at them. Their pathetic comments just reveal their severe limitations.
Some commentators here regularly ask obvious logical sensible questions concerning religious matters, both on specific issues and on the more fundamental questions of belief in any God or Creator Being.
NEVER, yes NEVER, do any “believers”, cathbots or otherwise, respond in any sensible way to explain or justify their beliefs, or provide ANY sensible objective evidence for those beliefs.
It’s little wonder you howl while I laugh at the whole shambolic false edifice of formal organised religion as it continues its decline.

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Reply to;
Anonymoussays:
Have a look at the following you will soon see who Natzinger really is, the position held in the Vatican and how he was aware of all sexual abuser’s referred to the Vatican.
!)Dec 4, 2022 at 4:17 pm
Vatican defends Benedict after report faults abuse recordhttps://apnews.com › article › europe-religion-crime-ge…
26 Jan 2022 — While he was prefect of the doctrine office, Ratzinger in 2001 directed all cases of clergy sex abuse to be sent to his office for processing, …

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You may huff, you may puff, but you shall never blow the Lord’s church down. Rant on you poor demented souls.

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Can no one answer the question I asked at 10.59? Are canonisations dogmatic declarations and binding on the Faithful?

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Reply to;Anonymoussays:
Dec 4, 2022 at 5:24 pm
Have a look at these, it may answer your question one written in 2011, some time ago things may have changed since then.
The exercise of infallibility comes only when the pope himself proclaims a person a saint. The proclamation is made in a Latin formula of which we offer an approximate translation:
1)Canonizations and Infallibility
Author: Father Edward McNamara, LC
A ZENIT DAILY DISPATCH ROME, 23 AUG. 2011 (ZENIT)
2)Dogmatic Suicide – canonizations, infallibility and the consequences25-min read (inc. footnotes)
ON 10TH JUNE 2021 BY S.D. WRIGHT

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So, the answer is “yes”. Thought so.
Hey! The bugger who earlier declared that ex cathedra pronouncemoents had been made only twice, yer talkin’ bullshit.

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7:56 The popes, like all other conmen, understand that you can’t make infallible pronouncements on things which can be disproved and there is always the risk that evidence will emerge about humans. Therefore the only two infallible ex cathedra statements have been about things for which there will never be any evidence and so can’t be proved or disproved.
Not very well instructed in the faith are you?

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5:24 You will find your answer if you search for saints who have been removed from the martyrology. They exist but of course aren’t talked about.
Were canonisation infallible this of course couldn’t happen because it couldn’t possibly be wrong.
Don’t get me wrong – I’m absolutely delighted that the church is now stuck with a saint who covered up crime. And this is even without mentioning the Patron Saint of Old Queens!

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Am I right to understand that there is no longer an Advocatus diaboli for the canonization process? If so, how do they determine worthiness?

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December 6, 2022 | Rome, Italy
Advocatus diaboli
The position of devil’s advocate was abolished…………………………… by Pope John Paul II in 1983. This was part of streamlining the whole canonization process. (LOLS)
1)Advocatus diaboli
By Christopher P. Winner| May 4th, 2005
2)Who Is The ‘Devil’s Advocate’?
March 3, 20138:00 AM ET
Heard on Weekend Edition Sunday

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Many thanks, Queenievenus Pluto!
I have a funny feeling that office will be back in one way or another.
S. Philomena, Ora pro nobis!

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I recall some post (now long lost) which wondered how the then bishop Wojtyła could largely travel so freely and easily, campaign as he pleased. While the military junta which de-facto ruled Poland from the late 50s was less aggressively Marxist, more pragmatically tolerant in a limited way, they did not normally tolerate this in Churchmen (like the murder of Solidarity trade union connected Fr Jerzy Popiełuszko). The implication was that he glowed, as they say, that he was compromised.

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There’s a difference between a dogmatic pronouncement and an infallible one, (which, I take it is what the commenter was asking). The latter has occurred twice.

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