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SPOTTING THE UNTRUSTWORTHY AND ABUSIVE PRIEST, PASTOR, AND RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY LEADER

I think this is a very good read

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To our dear members who still attend churches or who have family members who attend churches,


I’d like to share with you some of my thoughts on the traits I have come across that characterize priests, pastors and religious community leaders who are untrustworthy and abusive.

  1. Tribal
    One of the most telling aspects of untrustworthy and abusive priests, pastors and religious community leaders is the way they protect each other—at the expense of the innocent, particularly those who call them out. All the while, these untrustworthy and abusive priests, pastors and religious community leaders claim to be protecting the church and doing the work of the gospel.
    This tribalism has obvious negative consequences. It leads to the exclusion of others, to outsiders being treated unjustly, and to crimes and corruption being concealed. It quickly develops into an excessive sense of privilege and entitlement as we see today in Australian and New Zealand churches by priests who are being imported from countries overseas where clericalism is rampant.
    This tribal mentality has led abusive priests, pastors and religious community leaders to collaborate in the same crimes, as happened for instance in Ballarat, Sunbury, Philadelphia, Guam, Fiji, Christchurch and Wellington.
    Beware of priests, pastors and community church leaders who stick together at the expense of truth and justice. Good priests should be known to condemn the crimes of their own. If they do not, then they are complicit. Complicit priests who preach at the pulpit though remain quiet about abuse, betray themselves.
  2. Unaccountable
    Trustworthy priests, pastors and religious community leaders would plead for accountability. Those who are unwilling to be held to account or who operate in secret, especially when dealing with abuse, are obviously hiding something. Beware! Call them out.
    For example, what was said recently in public by priests, pastors, and religious community leaders about a fair and compassionate response to survivors of abuse, and what is taking place behind closed doors are two completely different things. This is deceit. When they do not hold themselves to account in the public arena, then they are simply not trustworthy.
  3. Defensive
    Beware of priests, pastors and religious community leaders who cannot receive criticism or who become defensive when questions are raised. Faith-based communities where criticism is treated as threatening are not safe environments for anyone.
    Priests, pastors, and religious leaders who see their tribes as the defenders of truth will resist necessary correctives from those outside their ranks. They will be reluctant to admit failures or report abuse to outside agencies for fear of derailing their mission.
    Defensive behaviour has the purpose of distracting you from your right intuition about such untrustworthy and abusive behaviour. Those who deflect and divert questions are defensive. Their objective, whether they realize it or not, is to shift attention aware from the issue.
    A New Zealand bishop did this recently when contacted by the local press for comment on survivors’ complaints about his national redress office not following its own professional standards. The survivors called for an external audit but the bishop’s response was to talk about how his office was continuously reviewing itself. To deflect away from the issue of an external audit, he focused instead on his office’s internal review.
  4. Entitled
    Be wary of priests, pastors, and religious community leaders who feel entitled to special treatment. How many times have you heard them say, “I’m in charge. We’re doing it my way!” Be careful! Their church is actually your church.
    If you inquire into the kinds of lives these priests, pastors, and religious community leaders are leading, you might be surprised to see how they have cultivated a life of indulgence by taking advantage of you, especially your money.
    Rather than being entitled, a good priest, or pastor, or religious community leader will install a system of checks and balances. They would not usurp the power that is essentially yours.
    Be particularly wary of those who have disbanded their parish councils and taken all power and control to themselves.
  5. Slothful
    How many priests and pastors do you actually see out there in the field ministering to the poor, oppressed, hungry and homeless?
    Good priests, pastors, and religious community leaders would be generous with their resources and time. Beware of the ones you never see apart from at mass on Sunday preaching and asking for your money. Behind that weekly appearance they lust after sex, money, power, attention, and the appearance of godliness.
    Slothful priests, pastors, and religious community leaders will use you for their personal gain. These people are isolated and isolating. They care only about their own gratification.
  6. Rigid
    Check out how your priests or pastors talk about sin. In my experience, those who are focused on sin have a problem with their own sins. Check their speech to see if they are fixated on sin, usually yours, and usually that which they think involves sex which they like to think about a lot.
    Check also to see how Catholic priests in particular, and male pastors and religious community leaders speak about women and other religions and faith-traditions? Do they chauvinistically characterize women in ways that portray them as less valuable or talk about the gods of other religions as devils?
    Also, note how they speak to, or about, those with whom they disagree. Do they get angry and defensive when legitimate inquiries are made?
    A lack of flexibility and gentleness is a clear warning sign that these priests, pastors and religious community leaders cannot be trusted.
    How to respond to these kinds of people
    Priests, pastors, and religious community leaders who lack the values of basic human decency are very dangerous people. If you feel, for whatever reasons, you still need to be around these people, hold back your support, especially your money.
    Also, don’t be afraid to speak up and continue to speak up. Speaking up in a kind and honest way is a virtue. It will help make your church a safer community for all. Untrustworthy and abusive priests, pastors, and religious community leaders will try to shut you down. But they will eventually change or leave when you continue to speak up.
    The primary danger of these untrustworthy and abusive priests, pastors, and religious community leaders lies in their deceitfulness. By pretending to be holy and trustworthy, they cause severe damage to you even without you knowing it. They are like parasites who take and take and take, and ironically, they claim to have need of your generosity.
    There are other traits common to these untrustworthy and abusive predators that will also expose them for who they are. I am sure you could mention some more. However, these are the main ones I have come across in my experience—tribal, unaccountable, defensive, entitled, slothful and rigid.
    The question remains, how can you trust your church leaders today, those priests, pastors and religious community leaders who are tribal, unaccountable, defensive, entitled, slothful and rigid?
    Thank you for your attention. I am interested in any constructive feedback.

137 replies on “SPOTTING THE UNTRUSTWORTHY AND ABUSIVE PRIEST, PASTOR, AND RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY LEADER”

‘One of the most telling aspects of untrustworthy and abusive priests, pastors and religious community leaders is the way they protect each other—at the expense of the innocent, particularly those who call them out.’
Thank you for demonstrating you are among their number, 11:32.

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Oh trust me person who commented – ( do – as I’m not a priest ), its not ‘fair’ to describe yourselves as ‘social workers’. I understand you’re attempting to abuse social workers by your comment. Try to psycho analyse my response. If you are able. Social Workers, qualified SWs job and PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT, is to route out abuse in all its forms – investigate and report, walk with the survivors and often alongside the abusers – regardless of their perceived RC or any other ‘status’, whilst juggling service users’ multiple other issues. We are paid to problem solve. Not to toe the party line of organisations. Some of us prefer to worship our Saviour by our Faith in Him – sadly some of us as the article headlines – are ‘stuck’ in this apparent cesspit of lies and deceit, known as ‘Catholicism’. Universal abuse, contempt and patrimony of Christ’s chosen children. You are all, or vast majority of you, men and some naive, gullible women, colluding and psychologically abusing the faithful. Pointing the finger at we sinners. We know we are. We also know you are even greater sinners. Shame on you, shame on my love of MY Church. Scripture gives us all the warnings. My heart and all of us sitting quietly says & goes out to the few good men and women who light up our days through knowing the Cross of Christ, His Resurrection and His Holy Spirit. Its no wonder that some seminarians do not trust their teachers. May they fight the good fight. We need Natanuels & Magdalenas leading our Church. Read that easy to miss allusion to Nathanuel and Philip called by Christ. ‘In him there is no deceit’. Thank you Pat for calling Truth to Power. The official RCDHN Bishop’s resignation letter puts into perspective and confirms what many are being silenced about – abuse. God is watching. To quote a pp ‘God is in it’. God continues to appoint, whilst my Church ( the NZ article is correct) continues to disappoint. We do not give up. ✝️🙏🙏🙏✝️

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Ongoing Roman Catholic Church influence on Child Protection Services in the United Kingdom & Ireland.says:

11:32 Are you lost again? This blog exposes crime, corruption and criminality in the Roman Catholic Church or do you have specific information to contribute on the known links between the Social workers and managers that are closely aligned to the Roman Catholic Church in the UK and Republic of Ireland??? An entirely inappropriate and dangerous marriage of self interested convenience in light of recent revelations and without prejudice to ongoing inquiries.

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@12:52: he’s not just lost, he’s continuing to play the same discordant tune on an out of tune banjo. He’s best ignored 🙁

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Entitlement it is shocking high paid Irish clergy are this week collecting Priest Christmas dues on top of their salary it is now done quarterly.
Surely they are not expecting Christmas gift as well.
At least Dick Turpin wore a mask.
Well done to Tom Ryan his Abbey pastoral area is going to share it with Fintan.
NO shame at all just money money money.

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11.47pm: How misinformed of you! Completely. All dues are put into a Common Fund, along with a weekly collection, out of which a monthly salary is given. All dues received are recorded, acknowledged and very much appreciated. Get over your begrudgery or more pertinently, STOP PERPERUATING LIES, LIES, LIES.

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Somebody has conveniently forgotten the Fonz’s alleged little financial arrangement after one of his priests allegedly had his hand in the till.
You actually can’t believe a word they say.

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Roman Catholic Church landbanking turnkey residential property & yet claiming government tax breaks & energy grants etc.says:

9:45 Money is the God of the RCC. False piety and lip service about God is the front to add to the already substantial wealth and thousands of empty residential key turn properties they are land banking in the worldwide homeless crisis. They have so much money that they are not interested in engaging with governments or housing charities to receive payment for thousands of residential houses and apartments currently unoccupied but in move in condition. They deflect by only mentioning the properties not ready for occupation but at same time deliberately and unusually fail to apply for available state funding as governments desperate for solutions but Church does not engage yet claims any available government funding for energy bills etc.

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9.22
So why the need for FOUR extra collections known as priests dues is their salary not enough.
they do not get salaries in England, Wales and Scotland they get around FIVE grand a year.
I wish my emploer would ask customers for a special lift FOUR times a year to assist us.
Ennis Cathedral Killaloe
Priests’ Christmas Collection
The Christmas Collection for the
Bishop and Priests of the parish
will take place at all Masses on
Christmas Eve and Christmas
Day. Envelopes are now
available and your generosity is
very much appreciated.

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You can rest assured that Bishop Fonzie Cullinan knows when to keep his lips pursed. He’s got a tighter grip on the purse these days, he has learned the hard way. Passage of time and all that. A nice brisk walk around Passage costs nothing and pays good dividends.

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Any donations are voluntary and I’m sure that none come from you, @11:47. Your donations are chiefly to the off licence. Please nite: begrudging is an unattractive trait.

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We’ll ‘nite’ nothing of the sort lol.
The ‘fathers’ were always going to be hacked off at their playbook being made explicit.

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A very reliable source once told me that the Archdiocese of Glasgow owned over 259 houses, apartments etc.

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Not expecting a Christmas gift? Are you mad? I’ll have every Biddy and Bridie and Mary dropping in a bottle of something for the cold nights this week. God bless them 🙏

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Slater Hogg
the Archdioceses has many habital homes for MIA clergy and Retired and ill Clergy with one of the previous Archbishops homes sold for nearly a million and currently discussing the Oaks in Newlands the Original Archbishop’s house as Archbishop Nolan prefers to live in a Parish however will likely need to ringfence someting for his successor
The property portfolio of the Archbdioceses includes offices (Clyde Street HQ is worth a fortune and keep getting offers although it is too big for the Archdioceses needs however the BCOS has some floor space and looking at taking other floors.
There are properties throughout the Archdioceses like offices, carparks, hospitality venues, shops and investments.
the Archdioceses like all Scottish Dioceses have shares and investments in place.
Fixed assets
Tangible assets 21,390,531
Investment property 2,843,400
Investments 19,092,
___2021
43,326,875
Remember the parishes own their own assets.
The Archdiocese of Glasgow is the biggest share holders in companies run by the BCOS.
Cardinal Winning left millions in debt but Archbishop Conti made millions and left the Archdioceses very health.

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19:44 Biddy, Bridie & Mary died during the first wave of the Covid pandemic. May they rest in peace.

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11:47 Fr Ryan has no time now to be reading this blog, did you not know that he is looking after Fr Quinlivan who is recuperating in Cathedral house.

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1:14 Ask him yourself, no doubt he’ll provide you with an appropriate response face to face.

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11:53 so how many priests live in Cathedral house now? Is Cathedral House on social media or does it have its own Tick Tock account?

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Tribal, Unaccountable, Defensive, Entitled, Slothful and Rigid. Not a bad benchmark by which to judge the authenticity or sham of religious groupings. I suspect from my observations we will find bits of these traits in all tightly controlled religious groupings or cults. When enforced by an aggresdive, one man band controller, the rot sets is, divisions occur, corruption murmurs quietly under the surface and psychological demands are played to exert undue pressure in a member..We have witnessed the extremes of cults and religious groupings in the USA..You are right/wrong, black/white, rigid/liberal. The nuances of the grey areas are too over shadowed by argument and crazy differences. Almost 70 years in ministry I should like to believeI’im a good delegtor and that our parishes mostly act in a way thats very commendable. All pastors and leaders and the crises …..

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“… at the expense of the innocent, particularly those who call them out.”
Tom Deenihan’s mistreatment of Dom Benedict Andersen is very concerning? Alarms bells should be ringing?
“My dear Tom, Unfortunately, I find myself in the position where I have to bring the on-going scandal that is Silverstream Priory to your immediate attention. As you are probably aware, in my blog posting dated October 13, 2021…”
Tom must respond to Pat. If not, why not?
“Tom Deenihan withdraws all canonical charges against the whistleblower! So, the whistle-blower has done nothing wrong.”
Dom Benedict Andersen, the true Prior of Silverstream, must receive his letter of good standing without delay.

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Shammy boy, you can’t both say that Benedict needs a letter of good standing (to continue as a priest outside Silverstream) and that he is the true prior of Silverstream (in which case he should be there and either appointed or elected).
Hadn’t you noticed the two things are mutually exclusive?

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Anonymy boy,
Dom Benedict Andersen should never have been denied his rightful letter of good standing. Dom Benedict, co-founder of Silverstream, was the natural successor as Prior. Both are valid statements to make.
Dom Mark Kirby was hardly suitable for being reinstated as Prior? Was Elijah suitable to be Prior? The Silverstream charade continues with the support of Tom Deenihan.

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10:20
‘Check also to see how Catholic priests in particular, and male pastors and religious community leaders speak about women and other religions and faith-traditions? Do they chauvinistically characterize women in ways that portray them as less valuable or talk about the gods of other religions as devils?’

Of course demonization of outsiders is a standard technique in cults.

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How many times have I and others on this blog used exactly this vocabulary to describe the clerical culture of priests ? Tribal (or a Clerical Club), unaccountable, entitled, slothful (lazy), rigid (transference). Perhaps not as eloquently as the author. But, this picture is well known to us, both priests and laity, as it is to the bishops. And still, nobody really does anything about it. We know the clerical culture is toxic, dysfunctional and harmful both to priests themselves and to the laity and the Church wider. Do we really have to wait until the whole things implodes catastrophically before anything is done ? There are many things that could be done, including a creative and imagination-filled restructuring of the theology and practice of priests (who, how, when ? etc), but one place where I would start is in the seminaries. Seminaries still create an atmosphere of life, education and so-called formation that encourages all of the characteristics of the clerical club highlighted in this article. Why are we training men in hived off, isolated, privileged places where there is a homoerotic frisson, and a reinforcing culture of them being oh so special, and encouraging to think of themselves as privileged and entitled ? I think we know that kind of seminary culture that I am referring to. We train future priests in this culture. What should be expect when they are unleashed on parishes, then ? At least until our bishops have the balls to think about priesthood creatively, at least try and curb some of the excesses of the clerical club in the seminary by a sane review of what really does happen there. +Nursey of Brum, take note. Go visit Oscott / Gaycott and sniff around. Take a good hard look. Don’t be fooled by the ingratiating and sanctimonious nonsense you are told there.

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10.10: Yes, 9.18 is a repeat the same commenter. He should try to broaden his reading and learning beyond this blog.

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‘Beware of priests, pastors and religious community leaders who cannot receive criticism or who become defensive when questions are raised. Faith-based communities where criticism is treated as threatening are not safe environments for anyone.’

Howling at how the ‘faithful’ have reflexively leapt into modelling the behaviours described in the blog post today. 😂

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Okay @1010 and 1022, perhaps you can add some new insight in to the clerical culture and dysfunction and a way forward ? Other than more of the same and steady as she goes. Let’s see what you come up with.

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Pro-tip: these six signs of an abusive minister exactly mirror the behavior of God himself.
That’s why all the monotheists think they’re his chosen ‘tribe’ and won’t share.

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9.28 There’s another way in which Christianity specifically models a bad relationship or one which has ended, even. If your other half goes out and says they’ll be back you expect them to be back or at least contact you.
Jesus has left it 2,000 years with no contact. He ain’t coming back, gurrrl.

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1.18 most churches lost belief in providential gifts distributed unvetoed and teaching prayer.
9.28 God’s an atheist because He doesn’t believe the twaddle that’s talked about Him.

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Excellent post. Thank you Bishop Pat. Respect to those like you BP who aren’t afraid to stand up to the RCC and speak out about their lies, abuse, and hypocrisy. Happy Christmas to all. Killaloe will be getting their present real soon 😊.

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9.55 I get so tired of fighting the bad guys out there 😏 “You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”

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10:21 Try being the oldest cleric in town left to face the music when the **** hits the fan & the others have died or courtesy of an obliging medic benefit from feigning Alzheimer’s whilst quaffing port in a nice warm nursing home. You laity have it made and you don’t even realise it. Checkmate! 😇

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8:35 Father Shay, this is your cross to bear. We all have a cross to bear in this life. My cross is fighting corruption in the RCC and anywhere else I encounter it in my community. I sincerely pray for you to have patience and fortitude. The Lord’s grace is sufficient for you. Go in peace my brother to love and serve the Lord.

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Catholic priesthood is a cult; they are like a secret fraternity: with their own rules – they don’t lead you to God they lead you away from God.
I’ve never met a priest who is a good person – they are a nightmare and I concur with the blog topic – mad, bad and dangerous to know.

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Can we really say there has never been a good priest – that there is not even one good priest in the whole world?

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Yes, there are good priests. But, they are complicit and tacit of the dysfunction that surrounds them. That is the problem. There is no point being ‘good’ but silent about the wickedness in the system you find yourself in. Too many people did this in the 1930s in Germany, and look where that got us. So, I would have more respect for these ‘good’ priests is they spoke up and told about what is around them.

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@11:01am
No they can’t, but of course the haters always will. There are many good holy priests who stay true to their vocation and silently for the love of God go about serving us and giving us The Sacraments. We should thank God for these members of The Sacred Priesthood who are not like all the ones we hear about on this blog and they are in the majority. Unfortunately people just want to hear about scandal and they certainly get it on this blog.

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I have commented before that the only explanation of the RC church’s crimes which makes sense is that it is a criminal organization with a fake religion as a front.
If that is so then so called ‘good’ priests are part of the front.
I do not believe that anyone who has been through seminary and lives in the information age can credibly be ignorant of the rampant duplicity, corruption and crime, so the apparently ‘good’priests are therefore part of the front story.
Ergo there is no such thing as a good RC priest.
I was actually going to say that AW Richard Sipe is a good priest but recalled that he’d died.

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11:38 For many decades now, the Roman Catholic Church has worryingly become synonymous with illegal crime, corruption, criminality and specifically with the aiding, abetting and covering up and deflecting for same. This position appears to be increasing rather than abating and the hissing & spitting clergy & their supporters on this blog & elsewhere clearly demonstrate their sole aim of concealing the TRUTH by vilifying & slandering victims & survivors of church related corruption & criminality and their families and friends. This speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words.

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10:59 To be fair and although I now have zero regard for church members as a consequence of what they did to a vulnerable member of my family & the subsequent behaviour after the event was even more damaging confirming their exact priorities which certainly isn’t God or those who unwittingly fall foul of organised religion because they believe in God. Those clergy who may have entered the church with good intentions soon discover they cannot push against the machine from within so they become part of the problem rather than part of the solution. That is their choice, disgraceful anonymous clerical cowards and bullies hiding behind their wealthy organisation & yet busy collecting their ill gotten gains from the gullible whilst RC members persist in victimising and harrassing victims and survivors of church related abuse and corruption. Dom Benedict Andersen is only the tip of the iceberg & clergy see this won’t go against their Business Managers aka Bishops. Two faced parasites, hunting with the hounds & running with the Fox.

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@ 11:11am
That’s only because you never hear of them on this blog. The haters can’t stand the fact that there are many good priests and don’t want to hear it, they only want scandal!

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The ‘haters’ don’t want scandal, but your ‘good’ priests keep serving it up to them, with alarming regularity.
Calling priests ‘good’ is like calling Mafia members ‘honest’: it just isn’t credible.
Anyone who willingly enters an organisation ‘corrupt, and riddled with corruption’, and remains within it, cannot but be corrupt himself.

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1:40 Quite. There are two reasons for the fall in ‘vocations’.
1. Changed quality of life outside and the sexual revolution have meant people have more opportunities and don’t need to live within a sexual strait jacket any more.
2. People know and are no longer idealistic. Rather than having to stick it or get out people can see the church is rotten to the core and don’t enter it any more.
This is why it’s so funny when clerics on here blame Vatican 2, when they themselves are the cause of the decline in vocations. 😂

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May I say Pat that the way I see it is, your a priest, but your not a Roman Catholic priest, but rather an Independent priest and so yes thank God there is a good independent priest in the world.

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@ 1:16pm

Good priests don’t serve scandal up as you say because if they are good there is no scandal. You are classing all priests the same as the ones you hear about on this blog. You are just the epitome of all ‘haters’ not willing to admit that there are good priests. That’s your problem, get over it. Mary Queen of the Clergy pray for us.

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Irmguard Furcher was described in court as being part of the apparatus that helped the concentration camps function. This information should be carefully noted by those currently pursuing justice on church related matters.

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Like all crooks caught like rabbits in the headlights, kiddy & money fiddling priests please age, infirmity or ill health certified by their dodgy medical pals to escape justice whilst victims are left in painful limbo without justice. Harvey Weinstein learned from the experts when he appeared outside the courthouse this week with the latest crooks accessory, the wheeled Zimmer frame. You couldn’t make it up. 😒

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Oldest man sentenced to prison in England was 101 years of age, in 2016, for offences committed against children in 1960s and 70s. He died at 105 years of age, still in prison. So, priests of an advanced age, even if a bit infirm, with a dodgy and criminal past that catches up with them, can expect prison. Rightly so. Then a long stint in purgatory and then maybe heaven. If they still believe in that stuff.

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I wonder if anyone can help me with, what I suspect, is a a miss use of power in my own family.
My sister, an ex doctor, suffers from clinical depression and anxiety. She also severe arthritis and cannot walk.
She has helpers. The house is clean and tidy. She also has carers coming in.
My brother told her that she had dementia. She asked for my opinion and she went to the memory clinic who told her that she does not have dementia. She is very forgetful which I put down to anxiety.
He is now telling her that she needs to be sectioned. I speak to her everyday and apart from mood swings, I honestly don’t think she is a threat to anyone. She can’t even move from her chair.
I am not an expert. My brother is an ex social worker. My sister feels very threatened.
I have told her to ignore him and ask the opinion of a close friend who lives nearby.

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12:43 to avoid any risk of your brother setting the scene for the potential financial abuse of your sister, consult your solicitor to register your interest & your willingness to help her & to prevent your brother having complete autonomy over his sisters affairs. After all you are also equally her sibling. Financial abuse of elderly, sick or vulnerable persons is a decades long and largely unpublicised issue of significant public interest – it is quashed and concealed as perpetrators and their networks work hard to ensure they escape justice for engaging in and or concealing abuse of elderly and deceased victims. Your brother as a qualified social worker will have the advantage over you by being well versed in the potential benefits to himself if he secures sole authority over his sisters affairs. Act quickly. Your sister sounds as if she is well able at this point to make her wishes clear if you facilitated her access to impartial legal advice that she will be happier with as it sounds as if your brothers self interested scheming is stressing her out at the moment. Hope that you and your sister find an acceptable solution going forward and free from undue influence.

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1.33: Great advice. Thank you. Property has the potential to divide all families and has been the cause of many unhealed hurts and rifts. Thus week two different family members asked my advice on similar incidents in their families. They were very upset at the behaviour of ikddr siblings who seemed intent in pressuring parents to change wills. It is also the case where a family member is becoming incapacitated through illness that pressure is exerted by another to act as counsel or arbiter of their affairs without proper discussions with other family relatives. So much hurt has been caused by scheming, selfish and greedy relatives. I hope the doctor will act now and seek legal advice or talk with a close medical colleague. God bless her.

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Excellent advice@ 1:33. I’ve known of similar scheming manoeuvring. It’s vital to take action quickly that your sister’s interests are protected well before she becomes less able.
MMM

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1.33 pm Thank you and everyone else for your advice and support. Before going down the legal route, I think I will inform my other brother and sister about what is going on and tell them how uncomfortable I am about it. Perhaps a little family pressure will get him to back off.

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Anon@9.05.
Don’t go to your brother in any manner which might suggest you seek his “permission/agreement.” I suspect your personal inclination may be to avoid confrontation. However if your suspicions are correct your brother will be “miffed”, and personalise matters as disagreement confrontationally. Don’t rise to it: simply say you’ve taken legal advice and on that basis, will do what’s best for all the family. Don’t be “browbeaten!”
Good luck.
MMM

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I.
I.
Well done Longhurst. Additional effects some have heard of or lived through:
– can occur as “church within a church” (incl. protestant) or a secular charity or taken over branch of one
– collective and / or absentee leadership
– can offer some existing authorities favours, back scratching or influence including by undermining those having specific legit remit
– or else sees vacuums as opportunity (simpler but less fun)
– cites centuries old precedent (e.g Wesley) conveniently distorted
– variations between time, place and personalities means more deniability (A was a decent scripture teacher, the people in B are fair and laid back)
– salami slicing of mischief making under different auspices
– flying under the radar in plain sight
– is John Cleese main consultant for “synodality” (expires 2023)?
– don’t be ashamed of yourself for having been slow to cotton on
1. Once an element is in, allied elements get shown off to reinforce confirmation bias among both membership and bystanders. Taking up your time compiling obscure waffle along the lines they asked, only for them to ignore your efforts.
2. Officers pose as “one of us” but have been primed or planted somehow. Nominally subjecting a movement to the same rulebook as its host body won’t be effective: e.g canon law has had built in ambiguities ever since WW I. Springing a “popularity poll” in event of a row. Some legit authorities are forced between suffering humiliation at the hands of these elements in public or quietly.
3. Hushed silence in front of members if crisis gets too bad. Fear of disloyalty to real friends. Hinting at how bad life “before” was and will again be. Loss of (illusory) allure. Deflection from christians’ own hotline to God by false dichotomy of going through regional pastor vs. straight to “their man”. Minor headline reforms leaving core problems intact (ensure excess trouble as jettisonable decoy).

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II.
4. Entitlement offered to selected underlings or guests e.g “mission” to far off places. “Senior connections” or “hotline to top circles”. Widespread wide-eyed and breathless reports of “miraculous property acquisitions”. Normalises disdain for normal channels and sensible morals, how nice to feel smugger than anyone else. Chance of elevation in status en masse / singly. May talk daringly, adopt bizarre mannerisms, spring “dares” on each other or outsiders. Fun of mixing with “animators”. Designer melodrama.
5. Forestall accusations of slothfulness by engaging members in soup kitchens or Bible studies (actual good affords plausible cover).
6. Three conceptual layers:
— at base, unsound spiritual grasp
— in middle, wet blanket thinking (the present top pope abhors rigidity), its role is to ensure the bottom and top layers don’t alter nature
— at surface, breathtaking mystique in deep chimerical-theology language, “questions too high for us to understand”, slippery slopes, freshly positioned goal posts every few months
7. What to do / not do:
— always act different from what you are told, for example: leave when they plead with you not to leave or you have been offered increased status; leave after the four years that the gardener in the parable tended the orchard; attend less frequently than you are told, studiedly avoiding chapters of faults
— if they have cornered themselves into making things difficult for you on those terms, it’s you that has scalped them
— don’t accept their paradigm, ever. Genuine movements are comfortable with free allies and bystanders and don’t call you a mug or a loser behind your back
— intercede and supplicate with God for all affected

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‘always act different from what you are told’
Exactly. That’s why I comment here and make a point of saying things the cult don’t like: it brings out how disobedience is the only sin really.

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This was a great read. There is a striking resemblance to our parish priest. “It’s my church and this is how we do it”, well this read has gave me the confidence to challenge the dictator.

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It did happen, I write and complain to the Bishop all the time, and they brush everything under the rugs and nothing happens. I implore everyone to boycott mass and their local church like me.

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7:27 why do you keep writing to the Bishop all the time Maria B? Are ya a bit slow on the uptake or something? You say he ignores you and you imply that he is a whizz with the Dyson. The true definition of madness is failing to recognise that the world is a beautiful place with endless alternatives to those that might seek to block one’s path in their own interests.

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Maria B
Do not be so negative about Bishops as you do not know what happens in side Diocesan Offices and it is the Diocesan Legal Advisor that instruct Bishops not to reply and it would be horrible just to keep saying noted to the sender of leters or emails
Bishops “pull” or phone Clergy in all the time so the email is scanned into the system and placed in the folder either the Priest, Parish / Diocesan Workers profile.
It is very dificult to get Clergy to change from the old model to the current that it is and always has been the People’s parish but some Clergy will not let go but one of the “Good” things is Clergy changes as the Bishop will send the “older” Priest to a Parish that is well organised.
Some Clergy cannot get it they are not ordained to be tradesmen or accountants they are ordained for the Sacremental life of the Church.

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Correction from yesterdays blog with Apology.
HRH Bella was at the 9am SSPX Mass for his Christmas Cards and Gifts for fellow parishioners.
However I am informed Bella has plenty of toys 🙂 🙂 🙂
So we stand corrected in this one off instance of Holy Mass attendance as we would not like to sin as lying is a sin when this was an error of judgement

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@ 3:45pm
OMG! Netty aka Walter Mitty is on again babbling as usual with her usual personal insults. Her whole life is a fantasy and a lie God help her. No one is giving you any information it’s just your own twisted imagination and your malicious lies you don’t know when to give up, I don’t know why dear Patsy panders to you because as I’ve said before he got your number long ago. Enjoy your ping meal for one from the cheap range from Iceland and pull your own cracker. Happy Christmas Netty. God Bless.😉

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@ 3.45
The Radisson Red does not provide “Ping” meals and furthermore you would never see me in Iceland or Farmfoods as I shop in Asda, Lldl and Aldi as I like value for money.
Later in the Evening and Ealy Morning I will be assisting with the less fortunate than me in the City Centre so say a Prayer for thenMay you get some Christ like Blessings as we celebrate His Birth so may God Bless you and your Loved Ones.
O come, all ye faithful, joyful and triumphant
O come ye, o come ye to Bethlehem
O come and behold Him, born the King of Angels
O come, let us adore Him
O come, let us adore Him
O come, let us adore Him
Christ the Lord

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Who is the redemptorist that got a girl pregnant before he run off to become a monk like a coward instead of manning up?

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Catholicism is obviously the original Christian Church and progenitor of all Christian Churches today, yet Protestantism is truly the best religion. It’s a stepping stone to secularism and therefore atheism. Long live Martin Luther and the German Bible.

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Who is the psychologist using a pseudonym on this blog who has made certain comments on past blogs that could be construed as highly unethical? Don’t ever underestimate me.

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8:14 There is/was more than one shrink on this blog. The one I’m talking about knows exactly what I am referring to 😊.

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8.14 I expect the head shrinker antagonist will be much more conscientious going forward. Problem solved.

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REPORT: VATICAN INVESTIGATOR SAYS FATHER RUPNIK AND HIERARCHY’S ‘COMPLICIT SILENCE’ RUINED VICTIMS LIVES
By CNA Staff
Washington, D.C.
Dec 19, 2022
“The Vatican investigator who uncovered allegations of sexual and spiritual abuse by Jesuit artist Father Marko Ivan Rupnik says the claims are true, according to a letter he sent to Italian priests obtained by the Associated Press. Bishop Daniele Libanori also said the women Rupnik is alleged to have abused have “seen their lives ruined by the evil suffered and by the complicit silence” of the Church, the AP reported Monday.”
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/253118/report-vatican-investigator-says-father-rupnik-and-hierarchy-s-complicit-silence-ruined-victims-lives

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That read, just stinks of men in general, but especially Priests. It’s time to ordain women and clean the RCC once and for god, I mean good.

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Even if the church is as to ordain women they wouldn’t allow us Dykes to be ordained they are institutionally homophobic and misogynistic.

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The young conservative orthodox priests are playing a game. Underneath it they are nothing of the kind. Mostly up to the very things that they condemn. The new US top man in the US bishops’ conference, Broglio, is a screaming queen, but as hard line orthodox culture wars warrior as you can find. His self-loathing and self-denial are written all over his face and in every poisonous word dripping from his mouth.

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A key to clerical abuse and ‘I’m in Charge’ is the parish cheque book. Father sees it as his money and he deserves every penny – take away the cheque book, take away a lot of their power.

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Robert Nugent is taking his successful ‘MAM’ to Belfast. The Derry turn out was unexpected but it shows that some people do believe in what he has to say/offer.

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MAM should not exist! It shows you how crazy it is in the name, men against masturbation – there are wiser eating grass in the fields

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My mother has been in agony for 21 hours on an A&E trolley in Antrim AH, shame on you greedy nurses for putting all patients through hell.

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Have your experiences of nurses been positive Pat? Mine haven’t, I was overdosed on Paracetemol, handed non celiac food for lunch which made me violently Ill and left with blisters. I find most incompetent.

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I’ve told our PP he should go on strike until the Vatican let’s them get married and can you believe he actually laughed?

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7:35 Sadly, the good will of Nurses and other front line staff continues to be exploited and over stretched on every level despite their Sterling work and sacrifices made throughout the Covid pandemic & medical & patient support staff have been firmly at the coal face of trying to provide safe & efficient patient care despite decades of the administrative mismanagement at the helm in both the NHS and the HSE. It’s a disgrace that they are forced to strike and that new graduates are forced to emigrate due to cost of living crisis.

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Good evening Bishop Buckley.
I am certain you agree with many aspects of todays blog, but I would like to say that I know of many good clergy, whom put their parishioners, before, the needs of their very own often.
This text I read is not applicable to many of them. It is a small minority of clergy that this applies to.

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7.36: Pat, when you look with sneering contempt, remember your own visible sinfulness. Put question marks after your own names too!!

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Pat, you live in Luxury compared to some Diocesan Clergy and that is a fact however that is because you see the need that the property MUST be kept up to mimumum standards and that the correct way.
Some Clergy will not let tradesmen or diocesan property people into the presbyteries and some are stuck in the 60’s and 70’s and it is not right at all as the properties need to be kept up okay maybe not to a high standard but to a minumum.
Clergy from the 60’s to the 80’s will not spend a penny in the presbyteries and still have twin sinks or portable heaters and to be fair most Bishops really the property people want to bring them up to a standard however Bishops do not want to force tradesmen into their homes.
Scotland is fortunate that all the laws like Gas and interconnected alarms for fire and CO2 must be done yearly so the clergy must let the inspections and alterations take place so it will be excellent when Northern Ireland follow Scotland and hopefully England and Wales with Ireland as well making homes more safe.
Some Clergy will only let parish finance teams attend to the Church or halls and centres but not the presbytery and it needs done.
On a horrible note some clergy spend away over the top on kitchens and the rest of their homes subject to parish finance team approval but some presbyteries are that dated they need diocesan appoval.

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@ 9:11pm
Patsy I’m glad to hear you live in luxury although how you know who is aware of that God knows. That rant as if she knows everything about property is really disingenuous as she knows fuck all.

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@7.42
take the PIP test and build your answers around the questions Do not ask the DWP any questions or telephone calls as they log everything.
http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-self-test
My experience in Belfast is they think it is their money and try give nothing if there is anything good from covid is the DWP and do the assesments mostly over the telephone.
Remember you can get PIP even if you work recently in Parliament at least 6 MP’s declared an interest they are getting PIP.
It is expected in the DWP current reveiw next year PIP will be means tested however the announcement was to be in the last mini statement but they decided to have a reveiw and will announce in the New Year so apply now.

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@ 8:25pm

You know who on giving her advice she’s been on it for years note she advises to watch what your saying as the Department logs all calls and no wonder with all the fraudsters about. It’s not the Departments money it’s our money the taxpayer. Despite paying tax all my working life, I’m still taxed on my private pension!

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@ 8.50
Bella you have never met Nettie / Netty so everyone see’s you constant attack and all he does is Pray for you.
Get your heels and clutch bag and come down to the Waterloo any weekend and say hello after 10 you will be most welcome as we are there most weekends and even on Saturday afternoons for teh Legend May Miller.
As for PIP if he is on it which I very much doubt as said above from Belfast guy you get it while working and if MP’s can get it on 100K plus so let everyone else that needs it get it after all it is DWP doctors that decided not the pen pushers at the DWP

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@ 9:25pm
Unlike you I don’t have heels or a clutch bag and your prayers wouldn’t reach the sky never mind anywhere else, you’re so false. The Department Doctors might make the decision but it’s the Administrators that process the claim. Also they pass on dodgy claims for investigation, they need to be stricter, to get rid of all the DROSS who claim falsely.

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One by one the bad guys on this blog are getting their comeuppance. God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty.

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This coming from a man who still collects a salary courtesy of the very institution he is pulling down. Maybe Dr Longhurst who is a very odd chap to say the least should go and get a job in the secular sphere. Oh no he wants to moan, complain and attack the very breast from which he suckles.
That being said many of his points are fair, accurate and timely. But maybe a secular job would do him well

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