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GEORGE PELL – SAINT OR DEVIL ?

https://cathnews.co.nz/2023/01/12/cardinal-george-pell-rip/

SAINT

“The Catholic Church in Australia has known few more extraordinary figures than George Pell.

A product and priest of the rural diocese of Ballarat, he rose to be not only Archbishop of Melbourne but, extraordinarily, Archbishop of Sydney as well.

It was unthinkable then that the Archbishop of Melbourne would be moved to Sydney.

As was said at the time, “It was an insult to both”.

It took George Pell to break the mould.

With the move to Sydney he was named Cardinal, which brought with it a further enhancement of his Vatican profile.

This eventually led to his appointment as Prefect of the Secretariat of the Economy of the Holy See, charged with leading the financial reforms begun by Pope Benedict and pursued by Pope Francis.

Then his legal troubles erupted in Australia in circumstances that remain unclear.

Pell became the victim of an outrageous injustice as he was convicted and jailed for 13 months before a final vindication.

The spiritual poise and strength he showed through all of this was extraordinary. It revealed a depth to George Pell that often went unrecognised.

Through his legal troubles, he was identified wholly with the Catholic Church and vice versa.

Pell was the Church, and the Church was Pell – big, powerful and heartless in the eyes of many. Partly this was because, in his public persona in Australia, Pell had presented himself self-consciously as the voice of the Catholic Church.

Those who didn’t know him thought Pell heartless and humourless, and his media persona could suggest this.

Yet if George Pell had anything, they were a good heart and a sense of humour. It was a pity that more of this didn’t show in his media appearances.

He didn’t claim to be a saint; he knew he was flawed. But he did claim – and rightly – to be a man of faith and a man of the Church. He once told me how struck he was by the words on the Roman tomb of Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani, Vehementer amavit Ecclesiam (Vehemently he loved the Church).

George said however that he’d prefer on his own tomb, Vehementer amavit Dominum et Ecclesiam (Vehemently he loved the Lord and the Church).

There was nothing bland or half-hearted about George Pell: he was strong, even vehement in his faith, his convictions, his likes and dislikes.

He could be a fierce opponent, unafraid to enter the battle.

At times this could make him seem an ideological warrior, which did not serve him well. It certainly wasn’t George Pell at his best.

He was always a polarising figure, stirring strongly contrasting reactions. He had both passionate friends and passionate foes.

In part, this was because his deepest instincts were those of a politician who thrived on opposition and conflict. It was also tied to an apocalyptic view of the world seen as an arena where good and evil, life and death, light and darkness contended.

There wasn’t much middle ground for George Pell, not too many shades of grey.

But that he had unusual gifts of leadership is certain – intelligence, courage, conviction, self-confidence, political nous and tenacity among them.

Though he chose a life in the Church, George Pell would have been a leader in any field he had chosen.

It will take time to assess his legacy in the Church in Australia, which will prove as complex, even as contradictory as the man himself.

For now we give thanks for the gifts George Pell brought to us and the challenges he posed.

And we pray that, beyond all the struggles and sorrows he knew, this extraordinary man of faith and of the Church, our brother George, will come now before the Lord of mercy who will say to him simply (as Julian of Norwich predicts for each of us), “Thanks for all you’ve done”.

Eternal rest give to George, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him. May he rest in peace. Amen.

  • Mark Coleridge is the Archbishop of Brisbane.
  • OPINION BRIAN FRAGA
  • The best, most balanced analysis of the case was penned by my colleague Brian Fraga (writing then for Patheos), who considered both what we knew, and what we did not know, about the case. The judicial system in Australia functions so differently from our own that both the easy defenses of Pell and the easy denunciations rang hollow.
  • “In the end, I think we can all take solace that the cardinal received the due process that he had a right to in the Australian legal system, and that the alleged victim was heard and had his complaints taken seriously,” Fraga concluded. “I think that’s all we can definitively say. Because when it comes down to it, that’s all we really know.”

DEVIL

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-12/george-pell-death-survivors-respond-louise-milligan/101846308?fbclid=IwAR2sg0v-tOUOt45g3KwzSKpMtprboLtQ5SHLQnOFvpjDj4TFyY-vwTrgabA

Cardinal George Pell’s death isn’t the end or a celebration for child sex abuse survivors. It’s another hard day.

Today, it is like a radio station in my head, and it keeps on flicking over to different stations and some of them are louder than other stations. I wish I could take the batteries out so there was silence.

“I am definitely triggered.”

Catholic child sexual abuse survivor Julie Stewart wrote these words to me on Wednesday morning just after hearing the news about the sudden death of Catholic Cardinal George Pell

The survivors and victims and complainants of child sexual abuse in the Australian Catholic Church will not dance on the Cardinal’s grave.

For them, as Stewart says, the Cardinal’s death is a very triggering thing. A sombre occasion. A day when the vulnerable child inside them is bursting out again. A hard day.

The toll left behind

Despite the intense loyalty that Pell still inspires in some people, former prime ministers included, there are many, many survivors, like Julie, of Catholic paedophile clergy who feel that George Pell and the Church he stood at the apex of made them feel like they didn’t matter at all.

So, for them, not to mention the men who made direct complaints of historical child sex crimes against the Cardinal himself — only to see him ultimately acquitted by the High Court of Australia — the merest whisper of his name has always invoked a shudder.

Julie is a survivor of Peter Searson, a frankly, repugnant paedophile priest at the Melbourne parish of Doveton, and one of several abusive clergy whom the royal commission found Pell ought to have known about.

Now, I know I absolutely do matter and I make myself matter every single day. I always mattered and I mattered back then too,” Julie wrote.

“Today, I carry a photo of that little girl that loved to dance, and I live today for her.

“I feel joy and happiness for her today and every day after that.

“I will take today as a reflection day on what today represents for me,” she wrote about Pell.

“Not about the death of an individual that is making great headlines.

“Today is about the survival outside of all that noise and the celebration of all the little boys and girls that deserved a better outcome.

“You matter, you always did and you always will.

“My name is Julie Stewart.”

PAT SAYS

George Pell was an uncompromising defended of the wildly corrupt RCC.

For that alone, he was never my cup of tea.

He had an arrogant and bullying personality – which suited his role as an RCC hierarch.

It was his way or the highway.

DID HE SEXUALLY ABUSE

I believe that the charges he was found guilty of were UNSAFE.

That is why the high court overturned his conviction.

The overturn did not declare his INNOCENCE.

It declared his conviction UNSAFE.

As I believe it was unsafe.

HOWEVER

The cases of the boys who accused him of abusing them when he was a priest was never resolved.

I watched the long interviews of those boys as grown men.

I believed their story.

At least one of them is dead.

DID PELL COVER UP ABUSE BY PRIESTS?

Absolutely.

He is now dealing with the fullness of TRUTH and JUSTICE.

231 replies on “GEORGE PELL – SAINT OR DEVIL ?”

Saw him speaking once at JPII soc in Maynooth. He was very arrogant and haughty. The main news reel from that night however was Cardinal Des Connells ‘wanted/unwanted child’ comments re abortion..Pell come up with the ignorant ‘Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve’ comment. The sign of a leader is to bring people with them. The RCC has lost Australia. Decades of Christian Brothers, Marists, De la Salles, Sisters of Mercy etc abusing the young people and aboriginals have raken their toll. It became a dumping ground for errant Irish Clergy.. abusing in Ireland.. banished to Oz.. abused there again.. back again.. think of Limerick diocese accepting a priest banished from Oz for ‘moral failure ‘.. most cradle catholics now don’t go near church.. mostly emigrants now. A sad story all round and lorded over by an arrogant bully like Pell. + Fisher not much better.. don’t think he personally was an abuser but didn’t give a damn about victims. Studied his case and what was presented to court should never have come to trial..

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10:26 The Roman Catholic Church operates as a secret society. It has colossal wealth that it utilises to bribe and purchase silence and to engineer proactive boycott campaigns against those reporting church related abuse and criminality. The game is up, the public can see it, the only people now attending mass are close personal friends of clergy with associated benefits plus a few evil sickos that find church contacts welcoming of their evil agendas.

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Thank you – I was hoping for a comment bringing up the context of prolific abuse in Australia with the usual pattern of peaks and troughs. At some times and places you had a 1 in 5 chance that your priest was an abuser, which shows up the flattened percentage RCs love to quote for the cover up it is. It’s also important that these prolific abusers were in a ‘colony’, indicating the church’s use of the ‘missions’ – that one’s barely started yet .

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10:36 absolutely spot on. The missions & various convents & charities & orders have provided the Roman Catholic Church with perfect dumping grounds for paedophile priests for decades placing even more potential victims at risk. The truth about Africa and Asia hasn’t even begun to surface yet. The Irish Church were quick enough to export Bishop Casey and set him up with local native women to keep him sated. Annie Murphy and her son fathered by Bishop Casey were never compensated by the Roman Catholic Church for the ongoing lies, abuse and vilification they endured for her speaking the truth and exposing Bishop Casey. Priests with criminal records are not visible on the altars in church but they are working in administrative roles in the business offices of diocese worldwide including Ireland.

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11:06
The church in Ireland is responsible for SO MUCH abuse internationally by exporting its problems, it’s horrendous.
This also happened in the UK – there was a well worn path between the Benedictines in Australia and Fort Augustus abbey for example. In the US this might actually have broken federal law – unfortunately it’s unlikely ever to be prosecuted.
And now I expect most records have been shredded.

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10:36am Australia and other countries far flung from Ireland & the UK were deliberately chosen as destinations to continue the careers of questionable clerics who had already blotted their copy books at home when the obvious & honest solution would have been to excommunicate them permanently and to place them on an international register to prevent them access for abusing any more school children, altar boys and girls, orphans in church run institutions etc. High time the Vatican stopped spouting meaningless platitudes and compensated all of the victims they knowingly endangered by moving clerical predators to new pastures to continue their abusive addictions.

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10:26 only a small number of older Irish now attend Knock Shrine, the new Asian immigrant families are becoming more dominant in numbers and their children travel with them.

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I believe, without the slightest degree of doubt, that George Pell was a predatory homosexual paedophile/ephebophile who, recidivistically, sexually molested/raped defenceless little boys. Quite frankly, he was, to use a Press cliché, a ‘monster’, all the more deceptively groteque for being a Romanist priest.
That a Romanist pope, Francis, described this vile … as a ‘faithful servant’ of Christ is telling, disgusting, and depressing. It demonstrates how far removed from the moral imperatives of Christ the Roman Catholic institutional church actually is.

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10:14 So the obvious thing to do is keep rejecting him.
Your reminder that the RC church is a cult and treats anyone revealing It’s true nature very cruelly indeed.

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10:14 Much safer for ones overall safety and well being to be a so called “reject” of the now internationally recognised kiddy & money fiddling cult of free masons in the Roman Catholic Church. Anyone who innocently “imagines” that there are any “good” people left in RCC only have to read the contributions from RCC on this blog and elsewhere.

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And YOUR comment @10:14, has all the hallmarks of ad hominem attacks when unable to make any sensible coherent response.

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10.14
Spot on. Full marks for your powers of identification. The comment you are replying to is unmistakable, sui generis, followed by his later comments responding to himself. Couldn’t agree more with you.

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@10.32
When is next court date for Fr Aidan McCann and any update on his victim?

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11:18 they do walk in the shoes of others, stalkers attempting to cover their dirty tracks.

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10:37 A Cardinal Sinner within the true interior terminology of the RCC is a whistleblower. A complicit cover up merchant is one known as a member of the “faithful”

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@10:40pm

You believe that because you’re a bigot and anti-Catholic, we can tell by your choice of words (Romanist). Lord rest Cardinal Pell, and as far as I’m concerned you can go to hell.

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A highly credible account, by a victim of serious sexual assualt, unanimously convinced a Victoria State jury that George Cardinal Pell had carried out this crime on a frightened, 13-year-old boy. Fact. The only one that matters here, priest.

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11:32 show more compassion, many abused by church end up drowning their sorrows in an attempt to cope with PTSD – alcoholism and addiction are common consequences of cruelty and abuse by clergy and their so called holy types.

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11:46 It’s a case here of not interrupting your enemy when they’re making a mistake, or rather not interrupting the apparatchiks of the church of Rome when they’re showing how abusive they can be. 😂

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11:03pm Canon Law is what Roman Catholic management & their companies adhere to. As we’ve all seen, They do not conform to the law of the land in any country worldwide as PROVEN by the colossal amounts of EVIDENCE in international court reports. Why would they, under their exclusive laws, it is actually legal to abuse kids. Media is paid off to black out news that reflects truth about clergy in some locations. How much more PROOF do you need, are ya a bit slow or something or are those rose tinted specs actually glued to your face with gorilla glue.

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10:38 there was a guy in the seminary, his nickname was Gorilla. Not sure where he is now but those who know, know.

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2:50 Nice Guy, they fed him to the wolves. That’s what they do, nothing has changed, gotten worse by all accounts.

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It doesn’t. As is so consistently the case in public accusations against Cardinal Pell, the facts just don’t correspond:

Can. 97 §1. A person who has completed the eighteenth year of age has reached majority; below this age, a person is a minor.

§2. A minor before the completion of the seventh year is called an infant and is considered not responsible for oneself (non sui compos). With the completion of the seventh year, however, a minor is presumed to have the use of reason.

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Hythloday: your reporting of the ‘age of reason ‘ is of course correct but your itchiness as Pell groupie has made you insert him in a thread where he wasn’t mentioned. 11:03 merely asked for clarification about something they thought canon law said, you don’t need to turn it into a speech for the defense of Pall.

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12:25 Very intrigued by your elision straight from the fruit of the spirit to alcoholism.
We all know your famous sadism but now you’re letting some other secret out.

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👀 Um, Anon @12:25pm, do you want to reread +Pat’s post? The issue of canonical age is raised there, in the context of Pell.

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Reply to; Canon Law Questionsays:
Jan 12, 2023 at 11:03 pm
Vatican City raised the age of consent to 18 in 2015.
It would appear previously, Vatican City’s criminal code (“Zanardelli Code”, issued in 1889). Art 331 (1) says the age of consent is 12 years old, but according to Art. 331 (2) when there is a relationship of dependence (like teacher/student/etc.) the age of consent is 15 years. That only applies in the Vatican city, outside, one has to adhere to the civil law of the country

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Pell had some of the most expensive lawyers in Australia – it’s like in the UK Nr Loophole will get a celebrity off his speeding ticket or driving ban .
Invariably they are guilty but they have a good lawyer who runs rings – same with Pell.
He was found guilty by a jury of his peers but a higher court ruled his conviction unsafe on a legal technicality- is that justice?

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11:08 Expensive and well connected lawyers are bosom buddies with cash rich Roman Catholic Church. To hell with the victims and families of those abused by church members.

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Pell’s own lawyer admitted there was a sexual assault on the two boys, and tried to minimise it with the following statement, he was as guilty as hell;
Lawyer for the defence Robert Richter tried to argue there were “no aggravating circumstances” to one of the offences.
It was “no more than a plain vanilla sexual penetration case where the child is not actively participating,” he told the court.
The chief judge, Peter Kidd, responded: “It must be clear to you by now I’m struggling with that submission. Looking at your points here – so what?”
He said he saw Pell’s behaviour as “callous, brazen offending” and “shocking conduct”.
“He did have in his mind some sense of impunity.
How else did he think he would get away with this?
There was an element of force here … this is not anywhere near the lower end of offending.”
Brutal and dogmatic, George Pell waged war on sex – even as he abused children. David Marr
Pell lawyer Richter also tried to suggest that an incident in which Pell grabbed one of the boys by the genitals in an attack that lasted seconds was “fleeting” and not worthy of a jail sentence.
Judge Kidd disagreed.
George Pell’s lawyer says child abuse was ‘plain vanilla’ sex as cardinal heads to jail
Cardinal Pell is remanded in custody following his conviction for child sexual assault, which judge calls ‘callous, brazen offending’
1) George Pell’s lawyer Robert Richter says child abuse was ‘plain vanilla’ sex. Photograph: Asanka Brendon Ratnayake/AFP/Getty Images
Melissa Davey in Melbourne
@MelissaLDavey Wed 27 Feb 2019 03.11 GMT
2The hidden findings on George Pell are now clear: he could have protected children from abuse. He didn’t
David Marr)

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2:53 Name any clerics in Ireland who have ever ever gone against the cabal and reported their colleagues for kiddy fiddling?

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The lawyer was constrained to make a defense within the framework of the verdict (though he told the public that the thought the verdict was bonkers).

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4:20 Fr Brendan Kyne called out local pub landlord here in County Limerick for employing a topless barmaid to serve customers shortly after the new drink driving laws came in. Fr Kyne was later moved from here in Limerick to Killaloe but it don’t look like he was able to put any law or order on them in the rural West Clare parishes.

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@ 4:21pm
You’re displaying your usual trademark Netty of being like a dog with a bone. You can’t let it go. I’d would have thought with recent events you’d have learned a lesson, but no ‘complicity’ have you been on google again? as I don’t think that word exists in the lexicon of GIBBERISH!

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The Donnelly chap in Enniskillen, the so-called “prissy little madam”, is described as a hardworking priest. That’s true, but he simply doesn’t want to ever leave Enniskillen…….biggest parish in the diocese so it has a huge profile. He likes the limelight.

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Hells Bells are ringing out
Pell is toast
Prayers for his victims and for the lives ruined by RC crime, corruption, abuse & criminality.

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Pat, you claim to have watched interviews the two boys in the case gave as grown men. Could you explain?

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1:21 watch them yourself lazy bones. Anyone would think anyone on this blog were answerable to your cult RC, Father! No doubt you’ll deny you’re a Bishop or a priest!

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https://www.smh.com.au/national/pell-won-t-face-trial-on-allegations-from-the-70s-of-pool-impropriety-20190226-p510b7.html
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/apr/09/abc-to-re-edit-and-restore-george-pell-episode-of-revelation-as-news-corp-goes-on-attack

The swimmers trial was to start in April and feature allegations Pell separately touched two boys while playing in the pool with children between 1977 and 1979. One boy was aged 11 or 12, and the other nine or 10.

The older swimmer told police years later he felt one of Pell’s fingers touch his testicle when he was lifted and thrown out of the water. The other reported that on several occasions Pell deliberately groped him on the genitals and backside while under the water.

Pell, who was in his 30s and a priest at Ballarat at the time, denies the allegations.

The two swimmers, now men in their 50s, wanted to give evidence along with a third man who also reported Pell over conduct in the 1970s.

The third man told police that in 1975 or 1976, when he was 10, he was part of a game in the water at Lake Boga, near Swan Hill, on a family picnic when he slipped off Pell’s shoulders and made accidental contact with the then priest’s erect penis. Pell was alleged to have told the boy: “Don’t worry, it’s only natural.”

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Thanks for the link.
Pell’s underwhelmed reaction to the gravity of the allegations put to him in Rome by Victoria State police is very telling… of his likely guilt. He expresses no surprise, let alone shock, at the nature of the allegations, and extraordinarily little anger (which is what one would reasonably expect of an innocent person’s facing such terrible accusations).
George Pell committed those crimes; of this I have absolutely no doubt.
I believe that Pell was a psychopath. Psychopaths tend to highly reckless behaviour (to act on the spur of the moment), and this would explain the utter ‘madness’ of his opportunistic offending against the two choir boys inside St Patrick’s Cathedral, in Melbourne.
I don’t want any soul to be in Hell, but, if Pell did not repent his evil conduct, then…

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1:21 The explanation is simple: it means Bishop Pat has watched interviews as grown men of the two boys in the case. There.
You’re a Roman Catholic aren’t you?

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Morning Pat, have you seen the video that is circulating of Leo Varadkar kissing a seminarian in The George in Dublin? Or do you want me to send you a copy of it, it’s on YouTube. I thought he was married but he mustn’t be.

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Awk Pat everyone has seen it at this stage, but I didn’t know he was a seminarian! That just adds fuel to the fire

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9:22 Good Morning Damien English, you are at a loose end this morning!

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10:21 Damien English is a very nice man from a very devout Roman Catholic family and his brother is a priest so please stop talking about him. The newspapers should be ashamed of themselves and be closed down for all the rubbish they are printing about Damien. He has stepped down from his ministerial post, what more do you people want for goodness sake. Live and let live.

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10:44 Stop using this blog for “cruising”, Father. Damien is not a priest so his sexuality is his own personal business.

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He is certainly getting stuck in there. One Youtube comment says it is his husband, Matthew, but another reckons it is a Ukrainian refugee.

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I don’t think Pell’s accuser should have been given anonymity in the witness box during the two trials. That never made sense.

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There’s no doubting that the late Cardinal, like others covered up clerical abuse. That’s documented. The sexual abuse allegations were not credible or sustainable. The Cardinal had the original court judgment overturned. It was unsafe. It was unprovable. It was an injustice. Even some very anti church media commentators and high profile legal experts thought that the accusations and the manner of the treatment of the Cardinal were unconvincing and that a witch hunt was created against him. They observed that so many aspects were contradictory, confusing, incredulous and maliciously created. Justice was done for the Cardinal in the end. May God rest his good soul.

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Outside of the specific charges that he was tried on, there have been numerous allegations of Pell’s inappropriate behaviour over years. For example, in swimming pools and changing rooms where he was an exhibitionist and strutted around naked in front of youngsters. There is definitely a mismatch between Pell’s arrogant orthodoxy and his personal behaviour, which is no surprise when he in all likelihood was a repressed and self-denying homosexual. It’s classic denial and transference behaviour. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know that.

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10:25 And the way the faithful keep stressing that his conviction collapsed yet again shows they don’t understand abuse or accept the need for effective safeguarding.
The fact of all these allegations and the fact some of them even got as far as trial means
1. He should have faced an internal church investigation
2. If found credible (likely if any of them got to trial) he should never have been in public ministry or near a child for the rest of his life.

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Reply to;Anonymoussays:
Jan 13, 2023 at 10:06 am
So why do you think Pell’s own eminently highly successful lawyer, stated the “vanilla” occurrence, and, how Pell that groped the one of boys genitals……..fleetingly?

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George Pell was a product of a triumphalist, arrogant, absolutist Church and theology that saw itself as in contradiction and opposition to the rest of the world and people, and spent its time fighting culture and morality wars. The end result was a Church that was mired in corruption and abuse because its energy went in to protecting its reputation, and a Church that alienated people who had come to a different understanding about themselves, their families and their relationships, and how they wanted to live their lives. He was a dinosaur and well past his sell by date. There are still plenty like him around the place, people like Timothy Broglio in the USA, newly elected chairman of the US bishops. Francis has a different agenda, and I will go with that.

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9.22: Tim, this is a lie and you know it. The man beung kissed was either his partner or another person known to Leo. Of course sometimes gay people in relationship give each ither freedom to chase others! Keo was very foolish to have let himself appear in this situation. But Tim, you’re telling a lie. Aren’t You?.

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10:19 Tim is a catlick priest or associate trying to hog the blog away from focussing on its stated objective of investigating and exposing Roman Catholic Church related crime, corruption and criminality worldwide.

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On Leo Varadkar’s Wikipedia page, Matthew Barrett is described as Leo’s “Domestic Partner”. Is this the Irish equivalent of, for example, a Civil Partner in a Civil Partnership in the UK?

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11:39
Do you always report everything you read that accurately?
‘His partner, Matthew Barrett, is a doctor at Mater Misericordiae University Hospital.[90][91]’
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Varadkar Accessed 13/1/23 12:27.
Actually I love the way Varadkar drives the cathbots wild and the way they try to cover their racism with acceptable (to them) homophobia.

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I didn’t know that the Church employed Leo Varadkar’s partner in one of our Catholic hospitals.

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12:46 is not faking it and getting paid for impersonating a role as a celibate cleric.

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11.09: A set up!! Come on Pat. Leo likes the bit on the side. Sure isn’t it part of the gay scene? He should have been more discreet once in a nightclub. There are always those whose cameras are on the go for scoops…..he was foolish. Not a set up. Nope.

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11:04 all the gay & bi Irish priests fancy Leo! He wouldn’t touch any of them with a barge pole!

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11.39…Nor would any of them touch Leo with a barge pole!! Good looks??? Not Leo.. Too effem. Not manly enough.

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12:34 get real! Most of these priests that visit saunas such as Dublin based Boiler Rooms don’t even see the face of their conquest – just a bottom sticking out from a curtain!! All very secretive just like the Roman church itself. BUT yet they don’t turn their faces to the cross when they say Mass again like they did years ago. The Roman Church is gone all topsy turvy.

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Locanto is a bit active in Maynooth right now. Is that what the bishops wanted when they turned it over to lay students in 1968?

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Hi, found this blog online. Would anyone on here please be able to help us? Would like to know what happened about a mass or funeral for the homeless man who was found dead in a shed in Ennis last week? I and a few others who spoke to him over the years would like to attend funeral but funeral details it is not listed anywhere and no mention in any Ennis or Clare newspapers. His name was Tommy Hadjuk, he had a very hard life and his friend had also died on the streets of Ennis some years ago and Tommy, sadly, never got over it. May his gentle soul rest in peace. Anyway, if anyone knows when funeral is or which Ennis undertaker is handling funeral, please post. Thank you.

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11:34 Thank you but that must mean that the information for friends wishing to attend the funeral was not made available through the normal public channels, this has never happened in Ennis before. Was it a closed private funeral or something? Tommy was a very friendly man and a great worker and tradesman when he was well, no doubt many members of the Ennis community would have wished to have the opportunity to pay their respects. What is going on, why a secret funeral.

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11:34 what Ennis undertaker handled the funeral please. We would like to send a masscard to Tommy’s family. Thank you.

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11:30 Poor Tommy was an alcoholic and a pauper – a firm of undertakers in Limerick City handled his funeral – Cross Funeral Homes. There was no church mass, straight to Shannon Airport Cremation centre. May he rest in peace.

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To any Catholics reading this blog: you do realize that if people are talking about your church’s terrible record of child abuse and you say that’s being anti-Catholic…
…. you yourselves are admitting Catholicism is about abuse?

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3:01 So the ‘people like you’ can’t see the snow which isn’t falling.
Brilliant. I would like to think we’ve hit the rock bottom of cathbot ‘logic’ but I suspect they’ve got depths yet to show us. 😂

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Pell’s conviction in Victoria, Australia, was overturned purely on a legal technicality. He was not re-tried and declared innocent.
The Victoria high court’s declaration that Pell’s conviction was unsafe was NOT also a declaration that he was innocent; the statements do NOT mean the same.
Cathbots ignore this distinction. It isn’t a nuance, so they have no moral excuse for their repeated attempts at deflecting from the truth about the High Court’s ruling.
Were I freed on such a technicality, I should not rejoice, but feel extremely uncomfortable that I had, to use a modern idiom, ‘got away with it by the skin of my teeth’. Perhaps the cognitive dissonance in Pell’s mind between these facts (freed, but not declared innocent) ‘did for him’ in the end.

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Yep, he wasn’t found not guilty. His conviction was quashed because of legal technicalities. But, remember, he had been found guilty ! I think he knew that he had only just got away with it, as he has lots of stuff during his life, and I think he went back to Rome because he knew that life in Australia was going to be too difficult, where people knew the distinction between guilty, not guilty and legal technicality. And since the one certainty was that he had been found guilty, it was easier for him to be in Rome where people were inclined to forget that and give him the benefit of the doubt. I think Pell was walking around with a huge burden of guilt, self-loathing and unhappiness. It will be that which did for him in the end.

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2pm a smart well connected lawyer and judge is a clergymans very BFF.

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2:41 The main good work of the church over the past few decades has been keeping criminal defense lawyers in work.

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The Roman Catholic Church is populated by very dark, remorseless and unforgiving abusers and their teams of highly incentivised accomplices.

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Alibis, false witness, bribery, networking, influencing outcomes in their favour and so on and so on – the modus operandi of the Roman Catholic Church lay and ordained Mafia.

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Pell’s views on synodality etc can be read in The Spectator, courtesy of Damian Thompson: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-catholic-church-must-free-itself-from-this-toxic-nightmare/ You might need a subscription though. Anyhow, two take aways screaming out from this. Firstly, the number of times Pell goes on about homosexuality. LGBTQ etc. Seems like he’s got a real bee in his bonnet about the issue. Indications I think that it’s something very personal to him. Perhaps a self-loathing and self-denying homosexual himself, which is usually why people like Pell go on so much about homosexuality ? Secondly, he clearly thinks that the truth about faith, religion, the Church etc. should be in the hands of bishops, those whose job it is to decide what is and what is not. Well, a bit late for that, given that along with priests, bishops have been shown to be untruthful coverup merchants whose main aim in life is not the preservation of the True Faith, but covering their own arses and reputations at the expense of the young and vulnerable. Why should we give them such trust and pre-eminence again ? I prefer to trust a synod of all Christians rather than bishops presuming to tell us what to do, thank you.

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Pell and Murray Did Down on Connor pay Murray’s bills while he was, er, on extended leave in Spain?
And did Murray set off on that, er, holiday the very day Noel Treanor and the other bloke, er, told him…whatever?

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Pat, did it ever cross your mind the version of Catholicism or Christianity you contracted in childhood was/is a toxic version rather than a more enlightened version containing sufficient antibodies to ward off religious toxicity?

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Of course it has.

That’s why I retain the basic faith I have and my relationship with God and am not part of RCC IMCORPORATED.

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2.32: I too retain my faith, am still committed in ministry, have a relationship with God…etc…being a Catholic priest hasn’t prevented any of this in my life nor in the life of the many, many clerics I know! Though of course we may struggle much of the time…

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6.02
That being a Romanist priest hasn’t prevented either you or your fellow priests from having a relationship with God is undoubtedly true. The god of your relationship is, in fact, the Romanist institution to which you, and your fellow priests, each knowingly swore obedience and allegiance at the moral travesty you call ‘ordination’, but which, actually, was an open and semi-public, ritualised betrayal of Jesus Christ.

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Amy and Elsie had a falling out in Rome recently and a very public showdown so they are not in the habit of having a natter. Two different individuals, chalk and cheese. Elsie is more educated and experienced. E Martin is a blow in and totally out of his depth.

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3.38
E.Martin has now taken to adding DD to his name – a clericalism, if ever there was one, which contemporary Catholic bishops in Britain eschew. He doesn’t have a qualification in philosophy.

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I for one am not sitting smugly behind a keyboard and I am well aware of my own faults and failures. However I am pleased that in this case victims will now be heard in open court, having been denied their right to do so by the abscondence for three years by their alleged perpetrator. Victims of abuse and seeking justice for them should always be our priority. However it is difficult for victims to achieve justice when their accused abscond and are protected by a so called Christian organisation which is more interested in self preservation. I am pleased that the justice denied to victims will now take its course. Call it being smug if you will. I couldn’t care less

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I cannot imagine Vincent Nicholls having much time for Eamon Martin; he is pretty contemptuous of his own brother bishops in E & W, though with good reason it has to be said. Even when still at Birmingham he was very much the man to go to for the press, since CMOC was such a hopeless waffler. I’m curious that even he is increasingly out of his depth and wrong-footed given the scale of the crisis – being a sound company man can no longer hold it together.
Somebody mentioned Damian Thompson. Now there’s a name to conjure with, and none of it good. Who’s going to kick off?

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The Catholic hierarchy is totally morally corrupt. Sentence them to a life of prayer and penance indeed. Cut off their tallywackers and dump them in prison would be more than just. Vile scum they are and that goes for anyone who abuses children or women. Off with their appendages I say

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Abusing children whilst pretending to be a Christian leader is an act of blasphemy agai st God himself. These morally corrupt creatures need dealt with by the law of the land not by their church which facilitated and covered up their abuse in the first place. In fact anyone in their church who covered up abuse should also be charged with withholding evidence (Cardinal Brady comes to mind) . Filthy corrupt bastards is what they are. Who in their right mind, let alone someone who professes to follow Christ, would even dream of either carrying out abuse or actively cover it up. And we are supposed to trust these people to dispense justice according to canon law! Who the hell do they think they are? I am right. Off with their tallywackers or feed these morally corrupt scum to the lions. Then they can abuse no one else. At all costs children must be protected from these sub human low lifes

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Brady asked the victims if they enjoyed the unwarranted sex. Who the hell in their right minds asks such a question? He is being protected and he is bad if not worse than Pell because he knew the facts and did feck all. Hegarty in Derry the same. Why are the Church protecting these scroundels in Ireland?

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Six years in prison at the word of one man alleging events from 22 years ago.
It could happen to any of us.

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3:51 Justice is important, it provides closure for victims and their families and restores public faith in the judicial system.

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Dr Ian Paisley was prophetically correct: the institutional Roman Catholic Church IS the ‘whore of Babylon’.
This filthy institution (with her bone-idle, work-shy, gentlemen-of-leisure priests) has wreaked so much moral havoc, has done so much damage to the innocent (to children), that it should be declared a public health hazard and an international criminal organisation.
(Just sayin’ it like it is, like.😆)

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@ 3:52pm
That oul heretic was never right about anything, even his own kind finally got rid of him when he got too pally with Martin. He will also now be paying for his part in the Troubles as he was responsible for stirring up the orange terrorists who were every bit as bad as the Ra.

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The problem with the Pell case is it appears to be a conviction based on a written statement of a now deceased witness who obviously can’t be cross examined and the testimony of another witness without any evidence, is that enough to be found guilty ? Anyone could be accused in this way, the specific details of the abuse are of course another matter and whether there are contradictions in Pells personality and outlook but that’s also not evidence.

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It is time for an Independent Republic of Northern Ireland. Leave the North stand on it’s own two feet. In the EU if the North prefers.

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What court did Jean McConville and the disappeared appear at, or the kneecap victims that happen still? Imagine trying to excuse a bomber! But you all and Pat would

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Bishop Pat, what did you call that priest in the early noughties from west belfast who was exposed by the Sunday world attending gay orgies and sniffing coke? He eventually came out as gay but has kept a low profile ever since.

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A close friend of mine caught her husband in bed with the local priest and both the husband and the priest twisted it round so much that my friend committed suicide. I fell sorry for the victims of Pell

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4:42 not an option if Tania lives in Diocese of Killaloe, they won’t even mention the death notice or funeral details for the late homeless man Tommy Hadjuk who apparently was found dead in an old shed in Ennis because he was upset after the eviction of his friend from Ennis Cathedral and shouted the word mother****** at parish priest, Fr Tom Ryan. Don’t let anyone tell you church has no Power. The husband and the priest can carry on undisturbed now.

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@ 5.14 Killaloe is a shambles. MIAs, lotharios, homeless deaths etc. It causes a lot of trouble

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Pat, may you help me please. I was at confession last weekend and I offered up my wrong doings for forgiveness, but the priest last week, asked me questions about my confession and it made me very uncomfortable. Is this normal practice and I have just not experienced it before? Or is this not standard behaviour?

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Isn’t Gary Donegan CP the unofficial chaplain to Sinn Fein? He did Storey’s Requiem Mass even though the church wasn’t a Passionist church, Gary wasn’t a priest of the parish and Storey was publicly an athiest. Time for reform

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active as a gay man are incompatible. No amount of faith or courage is going to square the circle. If a priest is trying to reconcile both then the only answer is to stop acting out and be faithful to your sacred promise, or leave and find contentment outside of the church. I did the later. I would have been celebrated my
silver jubilee had I remained but would have been deeply unhappy and probably found it too difficult to readjust to secular life if I had left later. It took me 5 years to find my feet and to accept myself and to come out to my family after I left. All I found was unconditional acceptance and love. A car, a roof over your head, no bills to worry about, and adulation from a few old ladies will never make up for true freedom and inner peace.

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Iv found this blog by chance today n I’m tellin ye It’s been wild craic like I’ll defo be bk for more laughs Cus you priests R totally bonkers lol

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I know of a good priest who was much loved by his congregation despite having his own flaws. He was a chain smoking alcoholic that would often have to be put in a taxi home after too much whisky but he still managed to serve the parish all year long despite being hungover or tired. Was always present in the community and always knew his parishioners. He attended a wedding I was invited to once and got so drunk he passed out and wet himself, but nobody ever beat him with a stick as he was a great peoples man with unfortunate issues.

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Maybe if his ‘great peoples’ had shown this man a little ‘tough love’, instead of perpetually indulging him (and, doubtless, making all kinds of excuses for him), he might have been able to pull himself out of his gutter.

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5.19pm: Would you say that to a wife and mother about her husband in his alcoholism? Would you be so unsympathetic to her and speak crappily to her accusing her of indulging him? You’re a pathetic idiot. You know nothing about the dynamics of alcoholism.

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We rightly pay reverence to many, many saints who took up arms in support of their people and in the name of God. Popes – Saints, at that – throughout history waged wars in defence of the Papal States. Saint Ignatius served in the Spanish military, Joan of Arc, Andrew the Tribune – all served their people and God through wars.
I’m not best versed on the alleged actions of Chesney, but you’d do well to remember, Pat, the cause and effect of the wars in Ireland. Appreciating you reside in Larne, do not become mastered by the British. Instead, as your saintly name invokes, drive the snakes from this land.
Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle.

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4.17

Just when you believe that you couldn’t read worse bullshit than you already have, along comes a comment to prove you utterly wrong.

What on earth are you worshipping, 4.17? God is served through war? War, you simpleminded fool, is the product of our NOT serving God.

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How do you deal with a narcassist pat?
A) by playing their game
B) by not engaging
C) rules haven’t Been written yet, by yours truly!

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Certain professions, it seems, are deemed to include more gay people (men) or certainly stereotypically would be expected to feature more gay males, ie these would be (in general) –
Singing
Dancing
Theatre
PR
Air steward
Hairdressing
Fashion design
Makeup artist
Roman Catholic Priesthood

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As far as I can see the younger Latin Mass priests are thoroughly gay and active as such. The. LM is a facade to hide behind.

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@ 4:26pm

Look closer at D&C what about Rory Sheehan and his boyfriend more your denim and runners brigade and they’re so brazen they don’t even hide behind any facade. Treanor should have administered a severe belt of the crozier there long ago. But he’s off to Brussels leaving that mess for his successor.

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Before the lockdown, Chris Derwin, Sean Jones and Mark Moriarty would meet for dinner in Bistro 53 on a weekly basis.

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Hi Pat, I hear you and Mr luke james mcconnell are looking to meet some of the people that he has been harrasing on his Facebook, does Sunday outside armagh cathedral at 3 suit you?

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Pat are you and him friends? I would stay away, he is absolutely crazy and is a wife beater himself

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We occasionally speak when he calls me. I have never heard that he hurt his wife

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I don’t think he is saying that. Its not true.

Luke formally left Catholicism.

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CORRECTION

Luke did ask me to arrange a meeting for him with a politician and to attend that meeting with him.

That meeting did not and will not happen.

No other meetings were or are planned with anyone.

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THE MISSED OPPORTUNITY THAT WILL DEFINE THE LEGACY OF CARDINAL GEORGE PELL
Sydney Morning Herald [Sydney, New South Wales, Australia]
January 13, 2023
By Chip Le Grand
“Instead of flights of angels, the death of Cardinal George Pell provoked another roiling culture war to sing the Cardinal to his rest. It’s what Australia’s most prominent church figure would have wanted. The only certainty, other than death, is that arguments about Pell’s ecclesiastic and cultural legacy will rage for years after his remains are interred in the crypt beneath Sydney’s St Mary’s Cathedral.”
‘He made a decision to pursue the path that would protect the interests of the church.’
https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-missed-opportunity-that-will-define-the-legacy-of-cardinal-george-pell-20230112-p5cc8j.html
TIMELINE OF THE ALLEGATIONS AND PROSECUTION FACED BY CARDINAL GEORGE PELL
https://www.bishop-accountability.org/timeline-allegations-of-child-sexual-abuse-against-cardinal-george-pell/

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George Pell was an innocent man. As a basic principle of justice, he was innocent until proven guilty. He was not proven guilty. Therefore he was innocent. When a court declares a verdict unsafe, it returns a person to the legal state they inhabited prior to trial: innocence.
As for the cover ups, that is a different matter. Pell was an institutional mind who protected the church’s reputation above all else — above even the rights of children to protection. For that, his moral reputation was, and is, irreparably damaged.

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7:16, 5:51 was using the word innocent in its technical sense in canon law, which is guilty but we’re not saying it. That’s the same as all the cathbots ranting about every priest credibly accused of abuse being ‘innocent’.
By this standard you will note that Fred West would be innocent because he was on remand when he killed himself. As would Hitler.
It’s that mental reservation thing again, you can talk any amount of shit with it as long as you don’t believe it yourself.

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A wee bird has confirmed that a married man in Armagh was sleeping with a Catholic priest? Also a married man in Keady was sleeping with a Catholic priest? There’s some hardcore Gay action humpty dumpty taking place in-between praying to their lord and saviour in this area full of Conservative Christian Fanatics. More to ‘come’ on this story? Did you know one of the main side effects of sleeping with priests is alopecia/insomnia and violent tendencies?

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6:07 Fr Arnold Rosney has requested that we please wear our masks when we are attending mass as rates of infection are high in the Shannon area.

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Bishop Pat, a few Westminster priests who have featured on your blog this past week have v
contacted Vinny to complain about you. Elsie, however, seems to be amused by you and he chooses his battles carefully. He is a Wiley old fox and he won’t take you on – he is too clever!! I know he smirks when you are mentioned and that he says he holds no jurisdiction or sway over the ‘Bishop of the Irish sea border. The Irish bishops could learn a few lessons from Elsie.

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Nick Donnelly is a prime example of why a priest should not take on a permanent deacon in his parish. Enniskillen – I rest my case.

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Betty Turpin took Bishop Pat on with a legal letter but Pat seen her off – she wasn’t as clever as Nichols.

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News from +Fintan Monahan:
Delighted to receive, hot off the press today from Veritas #PopeBenedictXVI.
Blessings & good wishes to the new Council of Priests for Killaloe Diocese.
WTF?
Still waiting to see him in his red hat doing the jiggywitit on Tik Tok.

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Bishop Pat please explain a ‘priest on duty’ mentality in an Archdiocese of Armagh parish with a curate. Sounds totally lazy and will become extinct soon. Is a priest totally off duty?

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Killaloe Stalker Alert @ 7:44pm, stalker took just 12 minutes to respond to legitimate observation @ 7:32pm on a social media post by a public figure being the Bishop of Killaloe. Why would Bishop Monahan be offended by a mention of a public post he chose to post in his role as Bishop. If he wants to show off that Pope Francis is sending him books, let him off. Each to their own and all that. Sniper @ 7:44pm do him no favours with snide & self/revealing allegations in the long run.

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7.32: Get over your obsession with Bishop Fintan. You are creepy with your attitude. Creepy and probably sleazy too.

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I thought she looked very old in Rome.

And those faux tears for Beno 😉

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When a Cardinal refers to you as a bishop then you can’t win and never satisfied. You come across Pat as very sad

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